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Michael Rigsby: The Most Influential Man in Dirt Racing · Kenny Wallace Media

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  I'm really excited today more so than normal because you know my
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  love for dirt racing. Dirt racing saved my life after
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  NASCAR and you are looking at the most influential man in dirt
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  racing in in history, the great Michael Rigsby.
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  How you doing, Michael? That is a hell of an
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  introduction. I I don't know how true or if
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  it's true at all, but I appreciate it very much and I'm
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  doing great. I, you and I texted back and
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  forth a little bit. I do a lot of podcasts and I'm
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  genuinely, truly honest when I say this.
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  I am most excited about doing this one, just because you talk
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  about real shit and I like that. So I'm ready.
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  I'm ready to talk about real stuff today, so.
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  Well, Michael, it does amaze me that people think that I'm
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  bravado or I. And it's funny because I'm like,
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  no, after the dirt races, when we drink beer, this is what we
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  talk about. But you're saying it in real.
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  Yeah, it's real. So let me start like this.
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  You are the most influential person in dirt racing history,
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  and here's why. Here's why You started dirt on
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  dirt. Dirt on dirt was your baby.
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  That's right. Nobody could watch dirt racing.
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  If they did, it was some little camera here or there and it was
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  like we we hear of Billy Moyer Junior, we we hear of Bloomer.
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  But my friend it was you. That puts him on TV.
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  My friend Kenny Schrader lives and did live on dirt, on dirt.
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  So that is why you are the most influential person in dirt
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  racing, because you put Billy Moyer and you put Bloomer.
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  You put them on the map. So tell me your thoughts on on
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  my opinion why I say you're the most influential person in Dirt?
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  I well, I appreciate that very much.
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  That means a lot and and Schrader has been you know, I'm
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  not going to pretend that Kenny and I are best friends but we've
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  we've developed a pretty good friendship over the years and he
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  is been one of the most supportive human beings since I
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  started Dirt on Dirt back in 2007.
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  To your point I I do think you're right about one thing.
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  I think so. My background is is broadcast
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  journalism. I was a sports anchor up in
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  Wisconsin interviewing Matt Kenseth and covering the
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  Wisconsin Badgers and the Green Bay Packers before I started
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  Dirt on Dirt. And I would have been a dirt
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  racing guy my entire life. Grew up 10 miles from Fairbury
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  Speedway in Fairbury, IL, right? Every Saturday night of my life
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  was spent at Fairbury. So I'm getting into journalism.
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  I'm going through the process of becoming a journalist, and I'm a
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  sports acre, but I'm going to dirt races still, you know,
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  50-60 times a year, going to El Dora, going to Fairbury, going
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  to Florence. And I just, I spent so much time
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  in the pits. And I'm like, these guys are,
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  these are the best personalities in the world, not these pro
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  athletes that I'm covering on Sundays in the NFL.
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  They're these college athletes that I'm covering on Saturdays.
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  They're great and there's amazing stories there.
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  But I spent my entire life around dirt track racing while
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  simultaneously elevating my career in broadcast journalism.
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  And I'm kind of looking back at dirt track racing going, wait a
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  minute, there's something here. There's something to this, and
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  particularly if you know a guy like Scott Bloomquist, right,
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  who is the most dynamic personality I've ever met in my
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  life? Pro athlete, Formula One?
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  Dirt track racing, NFL. It doesn't matter.
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  So around 2006 is the, it sounds funny to say now, Kenny, the
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  Internet was really coming on in two 1006.
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  So around 2006 I thought, is there a way for me to marry my
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  journalism skills with my love of dirt track racing because of
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  the personalities and and human interest stories that exist in
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  this? My wife, who is my girlfriend at
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  the time, said, yeah, I'll follow you down this crazy Rd.
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  Our first employee was Todd Turner who is the greatest dirt
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  dirt track journalist of all time.
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  He's still with us to this day and it in the rest is kind of
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  history. From there we we thought there's
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  something to this. There's something magical that
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  people will fall in love with if we can show them these
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  personalities and race tracks from all over the country every
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  day and it and it quickly took off and 17 years later, here we
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  are. That's an incredible story.
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  Let's talk about you for a little bit.
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  Now, you you've talked about the sport, So you're from
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  Bloomington, IL, or as they say, Central Illinois.
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  That's right. I think that's funny because in
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  Nashville they call it God's Country.
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  In Illinois, it's Central Illinois.
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  You're from Bloomington, but you went to work in Madison, WI for
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  TD 10. I have always thought when I
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  listen to your voice, you know I could be working in the shop and
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  when I hear your voice, I turn my head.
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  You you have some good bass, your your you have an
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  announcer's voice. Whether now, is that your real
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  voice? My wife's my wife says that I
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  turn it up a notch and I'm just being honest just like I'm on
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  your. I'm on your show so I have to be
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  honest my yeah, yeah. My wife says it comes and goes,
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  right. She goes, you'll be talking to a
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  barista at Starbucks and for whatever reason your voice that
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  that you know turn it up voice will come out but, but, but, but
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  by and I I think it's my real voice but I'm not going to
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  pretend like when I get when I sit down in the seat to host Flo
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  racing night in America. I always use the term I clean my
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  language up a little bit. Right.
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  I clean it up a little bit, so I think it's my real voice.
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  But there's a there's a twin. You're turning it on a little
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  bit. I think so. 100% So you're You
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  go to Madison, WI now. I was the keynote speaker for
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  the Illinois Stock Car Hall of Fame, and I caught myself in the
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  strangest dynamic. For the moment, I I just could
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  not make the difference between Illinois and Wisconsin.
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  It's like at that state line, they just marry themselves.
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  Do do you find it that way? It is that part of Northern
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  Illinois and into Wisconsin is really unique and you don't
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  really feel like you're getting into Wisconsin until you get to
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  The Dells, right? It kind of southern Wisconsin
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  kind of feels like Northern Illinois.
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  I will tell you this. Wisconsin people, they sort of
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  have like and I love Wisconsin. My mom has lived in Wisconsin
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  for 20 years, so I have many Wisconsin friends and family.
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  They'll draw the distinction for you Illinois people, the people
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  from Illinois, they will let you know that you are not a
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  Wisconsinite when you are up there.
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  They feel very strongly about that and I kind of appreciate
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  it, honestly. Yeah, my my wife's family, my
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  wife Kim. The complete family, the
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  Sunshine family. We have a nun, Sister Sorella,
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  in a convent convent in Minnesota, but they're all up in
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  Milwaukee. I love Wisconsin the same as
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  you. There's, you know, there's
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  there's a church and a bar on every corner.
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  We go to church and boy, do we drink beer in Wisconsin.
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  You know, I want to go to your father.
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  You know, your dad raced at Fairbury.
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  That's my grandfather. Actually, it's my grandfather.
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  Yeah, my grandfather. Yeah.
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  Thank you. So your grandfather raced at
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  Fairbury. So now I'm, you know, I when I
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  did my studying on you, I started connecting all these
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  dots. I started going, oh, now I get
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  it. This Fairbury phenomenon,
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  Fairbury Speedway. Is it because they get free
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  help? Is it because everybody works
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  for nothing? What is the phenomenon beside
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  your grandfather racing there? What is the deal with?
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  And I mean it's nice now I don't.
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  I don't. My face goes like this.
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  It is like no other racetrack I've ever seen.
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  I think Vermont Thunder Rd. maybe is like that, or it's a
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  religion. What is the deal with Fairbury?
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  It is so my my I live in Bloomington now.
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  My original hometown is Colfax, IL.
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  It's a tiny little town, about 9:00, but as the crow flies, 12
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  miles from Fairbury, Fairbury is.
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  It's been this way since it's opened in the 1940s, right?
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  1930s, nineteen 40s. There is that town, and it's
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  not. Well, the town obsesses over the
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  racetrack. Absolutely, The town obsesses.
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  Over the It's a religion. It is an absolute religion in
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  the town of Fairbury, IL and it's, I think there's there's a
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  magic in the size of Fairbury Kenny, in the the the size of
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  the racetrack. And what I mean by that is
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  Fairbury's not Bloomington, where it's 160,000 people and
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  there's a lot to do. Fairbury's 3000 people, and it
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  just so happens to have one of the most, one of the best race
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  tracks in the country. And there's not a lot to do in
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  Fairbury. So you marry those two things
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  together of the town that's not big, with a racetrack that's
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  phenomenal with generations of people.
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  And it was the the townspeople built the racetrack, right?
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  And it meant something to them from the moment that racetrack
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  was built all those years ago. And this doesn't happen
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  everywhere. But that was passed down from
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  generation to generation. Like my grandfather told my
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  father, you will care about this, right?
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  This is something that that means a lot to and I get I
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  seriously have chills talking. About it right now.
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  And I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you.
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  I get it. You will.
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  This is something that you will care about.
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  This is something that our community has rallied around for
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  fifty, 60-70 years. Because I cared about it.
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  You will care about it. And that is something like when
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  your father's and your grandfather's tell you that you
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  know that look from your family. When they tell you something
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  like that, you know that it means something.
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  And that has now been passed down for nearly 100 years.
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  Generation after generation after generation cares about how
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  the racing is at the track, what the racetrack look like is or is
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  the painting done, is the mowing done?
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  That is instilled DNA that you cannot recreate.
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  You can't just open a track somewhere in Georgia or
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  Tennessee and hope to create the DNA of 100 years.
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  My my uncle always used to say this.
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  This is 100 years of giving a shit.
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  That's what my uncle would say. It's 100 years of obsessing over
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  this thing, caring about this thing, and above all else,
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  wanting other people. This is the secret sauce when
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  people come from out of town wanting those people to love it
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  as much as you love it. That is the secret sauce of
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  Fairbury you're from. You're from Norfolk, VA.
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  I want you to love this like I love it.
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  And that matters more than anything to me.
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  I I love that explanation. I'm I'm thinking to myself, I
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  have Trent Francis, who's the owner of Crowley's Ridge in
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  Paragould, AR. Cool track.
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  Yeah, I love. It it's fun.
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  It's a throwback, though, but, but, Trent says when high school
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  football starts, we shut down and they give away.
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  It seems to me like it's the opposite at Fairbury.
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  Now there might be high school football, but you get stronger.
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  At Fairbury, it's like all the way through the winter.
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  So I go, it's getting ready to snow.
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  We need to stop. Am I right or am I wrong?
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  I mean high school football at Prairie Central High School, I
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  mean, it is a big deal. It's a big deal everywhere.
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  But where we where when the fall hits other places and racetrack
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  people dissociate themselves with the racetrack We have, like
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  you mentioned, right? We have a great group of
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  volunteers. Our volunteers come out and go.
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  What can we do? How can I love that?
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  How do we winterize? What it what needs painted.
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  What needs mode. What needs fixed.
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  What needs you know on any given week and and Matt Curl and I are
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  part of the ownership group there on any given weekend.
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  You know there's week. If we said hey we need 200
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  volunteers we'd have 200 volunteers probably have 300
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  volunteers if we needed them right.
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  And there's such a magic to that and then the the people just
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  obsessed. Here's love here's obsessed.
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  Our people are obsessed over over the racetrack.
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  Yeah. Let let me know now.
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  This is a joke. I need to know your business.
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  So Matt Curl and then all of a sudden here you came.
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  What is your relationship now at Fairbury?
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  I think two years ago? I.
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  You're part of it. Yeah, it was 20.
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  Geez. COVID kind of made everybody
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  lose track of time. It's called code fog that.
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  Was two years ago and they're go originally that was five year,
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  five years. Ago already.
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  I can't believe it. I want to geez, I think it was
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  2019. There was Matt and I acquired
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  the racetrack from the American Legion.
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  So Matt and I. You do own it now.
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  Yes, correct. Matt.
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  Curl, wow. Yes, yes.
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  That's big. Yeah, that's a big deal.
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  And let me be very clear, it is Matt Curl's show.
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  I am there for sage advice when Matt needs it or streaming help
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  or I kind of a a bigger idea guy.
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  But Matt what if we tried XYZ? But I believe this.
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  I'm a little biased. Matt Curl is the best promoter
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  in the country. Matt runs Fairberry.
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  Everything Matt does is incredible.
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  At that racetrack. I'm part of the ownership group,
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  but Matt is Matt is the Matt grew up two blocks from the
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  racetrack. Matt is the magic of Fairberry.
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  My my opinion on promoters is very strong.
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  Bob Sargent is a dear friend of mine.
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  Bob is tall. Matt's got he's tall and got a
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  little. I call it girth dirt.
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  Racers are are God awful. They it's in in dirt, especially
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  my division, the modifieds, they're God awful.
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  I call them out all the time. Modified racers, they're mad all
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  the time because they want to be super late model and everything
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  is about them and they just complain 24/7.
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  But I love, but I love the division.
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  I love it. It seems like Matt and Bob
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  Sergeant, they stand above these these mod guys and they're like
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  don't and they don't. I'm telling you, I'm telling
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  you, I'm the king dirt racer. I run 80 dirt races year and I
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  just brought it back to 40. But when I go to Matt Curls
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  drivers meeting, everybody shuts their mouth.
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  And Matt's got a little bit of young Earl Baltus to him, and
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  the fact that he's at a young age commands an immense amount
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  of respect. And and part of that is just
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  doing stuff the right way. He always treats everyone
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  fairly, always tries to do things the right way.
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  And if he screws something up, he will come right to your pit
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  area and say canning, I screwed up.
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  And he will do that. And I think you guys respect
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  that, which is why he's become so good.
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  Yeah, there. When there's a Mod drivers
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  meeting at Fairbury, they talk and we leave.
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  All the other ones like, well, my hauler or my car or when I
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  spun out, you, jeez, calm down. OK, So Speaking of Fairbury,
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  Flow Night in America was your your baby.
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  Tell me about Flow Night. First of all, I like it.
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  I think it's awesome. I like what you're doing with
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  it. I do understand it.
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  Is it coming back? I haven't seen anything on Tell
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  Me About 2024 and Flow Night in America.
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  Yeah, so I've always had the idea, even like early dirt on
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  dirt days, to have a midweek racing series.
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  And I'm not the first person to think of this.
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  Right. Thursday night Thunder on ESPN
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  with UC, you have TV. Yeah, right, right.
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  I'm not the first. If people go, hey man, that was
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  a great concept. I'm like, well, thanks.
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  I'm not the first person to do this, but no one ever had really
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  done it at the dirt really the grassroots level.
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  So when COVID hit we were the first ones to bring brat bring
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  back dirt Late model racing It. Ray Cook's track and I will
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  always be indebted to Ray Cook. We were the first Dirt Late
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  Model race back in America after COVID and we did a studio show
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  that night because we have my studio here.
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  Me and D Suave Derek Kessinger. We hosted Flo Racing Night
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  America. Yeah, I'm a Bloomington.
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  Yes, Sir. Got.
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  It so. It was.
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  And we did it that night to massive viewership and it was
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  like, whoa, my idea is right here, a midweek racing series
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  could work. So we, with the help of the
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  amazing Ben Shelton who is the general manager of our series
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  and Ben's one of my best friends, put together a 10 to 12
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  race schedule which will return this year.
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  Our first race is at Spoon River coming up on May 8th, Wednesday,
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  May 8th, 11:50. Race schedule, $75,000 to win
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  the championship foul of. I think it's 12 or $1500 to
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  start these events this year. It's just a cool series that's
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  separate of the other series, right?
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  You can run Lucas or you can run the Outlaws, but you can also
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  run this and run both those a chance to make more midweek
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  money and we have fun with it right?
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  We have a an hour long pre race show in the studio.
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  We've got gambling segments we do.
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  Derek's giving me shit about everything.
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  I'm teasing him about loving Kevin Weaver right We're we're
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  constantly it's it's a it's a studio presence that does not
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  exist anywhere else in dirt track racing.
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  It really feels unique in the space and that's what I love
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  about it. It's different than any other
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  programming in dirt track racing.
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  It feels, I hate to say it this way, but it feels bigger than
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  dirt track racing. This is stuff you'd see in Major
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  League Baseball or the NFL or places like that.
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  Speaking of Kevin Weaver, So when Major League Baseball had
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  COVID, they made these and they put me in a seat at Busch
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  Stadium. It, you know, it's authenticized
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  back to Fairbury for a minute. This is just a coincidence.
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  Everybody, please forgive me. So these are big at Fairbury.
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  Yeah, the fatheads, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the
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  other legend that, you know, kind of adds to Fairbury, right.
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  It did it start there at Fairbury.
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  Yeah, it did. It's a Fairbury is the 1st place
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  to do it. We love all of us.
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  I think one cool thing about Fairbury, a lot of sports fans,
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  racing and sports marries each other, right?
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  Tons of college sports fans in Fairbury.
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  We love college game day. You see those at college game
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  day, people holding them up on Saturday mornings for college
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  football and we're like, wouldn't it be kind of cool to
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  marry that and bring it to Fairbury?
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  So you I've been on the bus before doing the pre ratio on
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  the bus. It's rowdy.
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  People are holding up giant fatheads of people.
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  It's. It's just unlike any other place
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  in that way. It really is OK, So you are in a
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  vulnerable spot, so I'm going to throw one dart at you.
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  Hit me. Like I did with Brian Carter in
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  the tower drama. We're not going to talk about
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  tower drama right now. I do want your opinion on it.
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  Sure. So I'm going to say what all the
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  racers say I'm I'm going to imitate right now instead of
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  asking the question. OK.
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  Well that flow night in the middle of of the season, in the
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  middle of the week, it don't even need people in the
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  grandstands cause Flo's got so much money we don't need people
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  in the grandstands. That is the biggest phenomenon
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  thought that needs to be de bullshitted.
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  So flow racing, No, I'm still acting.
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  OK, Low racing has billions and trillions of dollars and and
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  they don't need people in the grandstands because it's made
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  for TV. Now you can go on percentages
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  here. It does not need to be one or
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  the other. How true is that?
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  Very not true. And especially as someone who is
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  an owner of Fairbury and hosts an event, we very much like
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  people in the stands if floor racing night in America.
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  I think that's why I've got, I'm a unique perspective because I'm
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  a track owner and I'm a I'm in the streaming business, right.
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  So without question, when we conceptualize floor racing night
• 19:23
  in America, and obviously we don't, we don't just do midweek
• 19:26
  shows, right? We have Lucas Oils on our
• 19:27
  platform. We have a lot of promoters and
• 19:29
  stuff we work with, but when we conceptualize Flo Racing night
• 19:32
  in America, we knew on a Tuesday or Wednesday, Bob Sergeant or
• 19:36
  Ray Cook or Lernerville Speedway, you're not going to
• 19:39
  get as big a crowd on Tuesday as you are a Saturday.
• 19:42
  We know that. So we compensated them what we
• 19:45
  think is very fairly on what we would call a rights fee.
• 19:48
  So in order in our rights contracts all work a little bit
• 19:51
  differently whether it's with the series or with the
• 19:53
  racetrack. But we said hey, we know Tuesday
• 19:55
  night you hope to have 12/13/14 hundred people in the stands.
• 19:59
  Because of that we will pay you a little higher rights fee in
• 20:02
  order to have the event right. And to to date virtually every
• 20:06
  race on our calendar wants to come back every year, right?
• 20:09
  Every promoter goes, hey we had a good event, we had enough
• 20:12
  people in the stands that we had a good event.
• 20:13
  We'd like to do it again next year.
• 20:15
  So the the fallacy that we don't want people, I never want to do
• 20:19
  this without people. Dirt track racing is fans in the
• 20:22
  stands. I don't ever want to do that
• 20:24
  without. About people, Covad sucked when
• 20:25
  we had to do that. I don't want to do that again.
• 20:27
  So the idea that we don't want to do it without people is just
• 20:30
  lunacy. And it's also not true.
• 20:32
  I I probably have this a little wrong.
• 20:34
  On average, I'd say attendance at a flow racing night in
• 20:37
  America of event with Pitts and and Grandstand both 1800 to 2017
• 20:42
  hundred to 2000 people. So on a Tuesday night with the
• 20:45
  rights fee we're paying these folks, they can really have a
• 20:47
  nice night. So I feel like I debunked that
• 20:50
  piece at least. Yeah, and I appreciate you doing
• 20:54
  that. I think part of Kenny
• 20:56
  conversation is what you said at the start.
• 20:58
  We we de bullshit some things. You're nice, you say?
• 21:00
  Debunk. So dirt racing today.
• 21:06
  OK. We still have a little bit more
• 21:08
  to talk about. Tons.
• 21:10
  Yeah, dirt racing today with the I'm hearing these things like
• 21:16
  that. I don't like I'm hearing these
• 21:18
  things you know arrow push it's hard to pass and heat races
• 21:24
  droop rule. Shocks are $20,000.
• 21:28
  Cars are one. Let's go to let's go to Mark
• 21:31
  Richards. Let's buy a turnkey rocket car
• 21:34
  which you can now $130,000 with everything I just said what are
• 21:40
  what are your. Thoughts.
• 21:42
  That's open-ended, but I like it being open-ended.
• 21:45
  I I say this about dirt racing right now.
• 21:47
  What an interesting time and the fact that I believe it is more
• 21:51
  popular than ever and I believe it's maybe it it's one or one of
• 21:57
  its more dangerous points cost wise than ever.
• 22:00
  So that's kind of a dangerous position right in there.
• 22:03
  One hand and I think the Kyle Larson effect in 2020 had a lot
• 22:06
  to do with this, right? He comes back and barnstorms the
• 22:09
  country and sort of unites NASCAR and dirt track fans and
• 22:11
  that was big. Streaming platforms make dirt
• 22:14
  track racing more accessible than ever.
• 22:16
  The audiences are great, but at the same time the cost of doing
• 22:19
  this is disproportionate. Right now I will say purses are
• 22:23
  getting better without question. There's more money for these
• 22:26
  guys to make than they've ever made before.
• 22:29
  That's good. I don't pretend you.
• 22:31
  You know far more about. I know enough about the
• 22:33
  mechanics of a race car to be just dangerous enough.
• 22:36
  Jason Fager always tells me you're just dumb enough to be
• 22:38
  dumb enough. It's good, though.
• 22:41
  Yeah, right. It's good.
• 22:42
  And I don't pretend to know everything about the mechanics
• 22:45
  of a race car, and I don't want to say that, but it's clear what
• 22:48
  worries me the most. Kenny is car owners right now
• 22:50
  because racers who race on percentage are doing pretty good
• 22:54
  because of the more money and and but don't.
• 22:56
  I'm not trying to pretend that racers are getting rich, but
• 22:59
  T-shirt sales are better than ever, right?
• 23:00
  Purses are better than ever. So the racers are kind of coming
• 23:03
  up a little bit. I worry about the car owners
• 23:05
  right now. Car owners who, let's face it,
• 23:07
  millionaire hobbyists, A lot of them.
• 23:09
  Right. And I say that as a compliment.
• 23:11
  Yeah, guys who have built incredibly successful businesses
• 23:14
  away from this, who don't mind losing a couple 100 grand at the
• 23:17
  racetrack. But when they start getting into
• 23:19
  losing 500, six, $100,000 at the racetrack, which some of our
• 23:23
  dirt late Model team owners are now and Sprint Car team owners
• 23:26
  are now and asphalt team owners are now, that's when you cross
• 23:29
  the Rubicon and go into how much longer can.
• 23:33
  I'm just using him as an example.
• 23:34
  He's not a guy. I know his money.
• 23:35
  But David Wells, who owns Brandon Overton's car, David's
• 23:38
  one of the best humans on the planet.
• 23:41
  How long is David going to be willing to do that?
• 23:43
  That's what we've got to figure out.
• 23:45
  But don't you feel like that conversation has been being had
• 23:48
  For how long have you been in racing now?
• 23:50
  It cost too much it, but it do you, in your opinion, is it
• 23:53
  truly now cost too much? It isn't there.
• 23:56
  And I I do want to talk with you about this just a little bit
• 24:00
  back and forth. So I've always told people, you
• 24:04
  know, and I created controversy last year by saying you can't
• 24:07
  make money running dirt cars and they're like, yeah, I can't.
• 24:10
  So had a conversation with Brad Sweet and he said, no, Kenny,
• 24:14
  you're right. It was just hard for us to hear.
• 24:17
  Maybe the top three in the world of outlaw Sprint cars can make a
• 24:20
  little money. They got big sponsors like Napa.
• 24:24
  The only way you make money in dirt racing is you have a sugar
• 24:27
  daddy. OK.
• 24:29
  And and and like you just said OK.
• 24:32
  You know my dear friend Nick Kaufman, he don't know none of
• 24:34
  that. He don't know none of it.
• 24:37
  But he is the greatest for his owner because Nick saves his
• 24:42
  owner so much money because Nick can do everything Nick can do
• 24:47
  five man's work. So everybody that races in dirt,
• 24:54
  super late model racing, the only way they make money is they
• 24:58
  have a car owner that will do like you just said.
• 25:02
  Good point wasn't even a subject really of mine.
• 25:04
  I just wanted to know your opinion.
• 25:07
  Yeah, and it's it's what's what's It's kind of makes me sad
• 25:10
  because we are absolutely more popular than ever, right?
• 25:12
  Like when the Jeff Glucks and those guys of the world are
• 25:15
  tweeting about dirt track racing every Saturday night.
• 25:18
  Right. And and Kenny Wallace.
• 25:19
  When Kenny. And not that you don't love dirt
• 25:20
  racing, but you're so invested in it.
• 25:22
  Kyle Larson and Brad Sweet have their own new series which is on
• 25:25
  flow with high limit. There's this tornado of
• 25:28
  popularity about dirt track racing, but over here in the
• 25:31
  corner, it's like, holy shit, this cost too much.
• 25:34
  This is a problem and and I don't have the fix for that I'm
• 25:38
  but I know, I know that I'm hearing it more and more every
• 25:42
  week cost too much and that's that's that's on my brain that
• 25:48
  we need to fix in the next 18 months.
• 25:50
  It really is. What?
• 25:51
  What series will it be, Michael, that finally has the balls big
• 25:56
  enough to put them off the dashboard?
• 25:57
  Whether it's Lucas Oil, whether it's World of Outlaw.
• 26:01
  Now, listen, I'm not an idiot, OK?
• 26:03
  I know, Lucas Oil is on flow, and I know World of Outlaws is
• 26:06
  over on Dirt Vision. Yeah, but you and I love it all
• 26:09
  I do. What series is going to have
• 26:11
  enough balls to go, guys? You know, call up Penske, Call
• 26:15
  up Bilstein. Look, you got to get your shocks
• 26:17
  at this. This is so.
• 26:21
  Listen, I love everything, but my checkbooks are right next to
• 26:25
  me right now. Here it is.
• 26:29
  That's the one. OK, that's Kenny Wallace Racing
• 26:33
  Incorporated. Have two checkbooks and that's
• 26:37
  Kenny and Kim. That's me and my.
• 26:39
  Wife that No. That that one's Kim Incorporated
• 26:41
  is. That one is.
• 26:43
  Kim gets whatever she wants. That's right.
• 26:45
  I I pay all my own bills. I know everything.
• 26:48
  So I don't even need anybody to tell me anything, 'cause I I do.
• 26:52
  I know it all myself, 'cause I own my own deal.
• 26:55
  And I ran a super late model right there.
• 26:59
  I know, I know. So who's Who's going to do it?
• 27:04
  Who's going to be the ones that go?
• 27:05
  OK, Hoosier, here's the deal, OK, shocked.
• 27:08
  Here's the deal. OK, why are our noses 10 feet
• 27:12
  wide arrow push? I thought you guys made fun of
• 27:15
  NASCAR for that. Now you got a narrow push. 10
• 27:19
  second aside on that, I'm with you.
• 27:21
  I get along with everybody like Brian Carter's pretty good
• 27:23
  friend of mine, Brian Dunlap at World Racing Group.
• 27:25
  I I've worked with Dirt Vision, I get along great with them.
• 27:27
  I watch Dirt Vision all the time, right?
• 27:29
  And I'm a slow general manager and I love them.
• 27:31
  So I think there's only one answer to that and it's got to
• 27:35
  be both. It's got to be everybody.
• 27:37
  It doesn't matter in our sport, late model racing particularly,
• 27:41
  and Sprint car racing, I think the way Sprint car bodies and
• 27:44
  everything works a little bit different, right?
• 27:45
  There's not as much engineering to a Sprint car as there is a
• 27:48
  dirt late model. It has to be both.
• 27:51
  And I know Rick Schwali and Steve Francis continue to work
• 27:53
  together. The two series directors, if
• 27:55
  they both don't do it and we'd fall right in line with flow
• 27:58
  racing night in America, whatever those two told us we do
• 28:01
  has to be both. If it's not both and they both
• 28:04
  can't do it, it doesn't really matter.
• 28:07
  They both have to do it together.
• 28:09
  Candidly, they have to. Yeah, Kenny Schrader, Some
• 28:13
  strange man walked up to Schrader, I think maybe
• 28:16
  Springfield, MO. Jerry Hoffman's track and did a
• 28:20
  little minute 32nd video that was so profound.
• 28:24
  The man asked Schrader tell me about dirt racing today and he
• 28:28
  says, you know basically we keep we spit a series out like you
• 28:33
  know like the B mods or what the A mods used to be and now we
• 28:37
  keep we keep adding more parts onto these cars you know?
• 28:40
  And Nick Hoffman tells me, he says I make more money when I
• 28:44
  can keep selling more parts to put on the car because welding
• 28:48
  is gone nowadays. Nope, nobody even know knows how
• 28:51
  to Weld. They just bolt the clamp on the
• 28:53
  car, which is fine, but but Schrader, I would say to him,
• 28:58
  oh, the sport costs a lot of money and and here's what I'll
• 29:01
  here's the point I'm getting to, he says.
• 29:04
  Same story, different year, but but it seems like it's way, way
• 29:11
  out of more proportion than it's ever been.
• 29:14
  I think we've tipped the scale on professionalism in the sport
• 29:17
  is why. And what I mean by that is there
• 29:20
  are, you know, you say you can't make any money.
• 29:22
  I think team owners definitely can't make any money.
• 29:24
  But you know, they're drivers now and God bless them because
• 29:28
  they're talented guys. These are the athletes.
• 29:30
  These are the show. I'm glad they're making money.
• 29:33
  They can. Drivers are doing pretty well
• 29:35
  now through merchant merchandise.
• 29:37
  Sales is bigger than ever. Purses are bigger than ever.
• 29:40
  So once, once to me, you tip that scale and these guys really
• 29:43
  become dyed in the wool professional athlete because you
• 29:47
  know, back in the day, like Billy Moyer raced for a living.
• 29:49
  But Billy Moyer was doing other things also, right?
• 29:51
  And him and Scott were kind of the first two professional Dirt
• 29:54
  Late Model drivers. These guys are professional
• 29:57
  drivers now. And once you do something for a
• 29:59
  profession, all the things you just talked about with Nick
• 30:01
  Hoffman and Schrader, that becomes part of it.
• 30:04
  And I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all.
• 30:06
  I'm just saying, OK, you want that part now you're going to
• 30:09
  have this part, every nuance, an inch and quarter, inch and
• 30:12
  square inch that these guys can get to get an advantage.
• 30:14
  Why? Because they're professionals.
• 30:16
  They're just like athletes who train and train and train.
• 30:19
  It's the same thing. And.
• 30:20
  And I think we've become so professionalized now, sort of
• 30:24
  under our noses without even noticing it.
• 30:26
  Oh yeah, this is a professional sport.
• 30:28
  All that stuff you talked about comes along with it.
• 30:31
  One more dart. I wasn't going to throw another.
• 30:33
  One to hit me with it. OK, local racing is dead.
• 30:37
  Shouldn't even have it anymore. But by God, El Dora, the World
• 30:41
  Finals at Charlotte Knoxville Nationals.
• 30:47
  So dirt local dirt racing is gone. 600 people in the
• 30:51
  grandstands. Why are people doing it?
• 30:53
  And Lincoln, IL. Bob, Sergeant every other week
• 30:57
  now. Jacksonville, IL, every other
• 30:59
  week now. Kevin and Tammy, they're getting
• 31:03
  tired. You know, whenever they want to
• 31:05
  race and and listen, they're my family.
• 31:08
  We just race whenever Kevin and Tammy want to.
• 31:11
  They mean well, you know, thank God that Josh Carroll has
• 31:16
  brought back, you know, Brownstown, IL, the Bull Ring
• 31:20
  whenever. I mean, great schedule.
• 31:23
  So we're seeing this new phenomenon where local racing is
• 31:26
  racing and then we see this track down here down South that,
• 31:28
  oh, we're packed every week. But for the most part, that's
• 31:32
  the subject. What do you say about local
• 31:34
  racing's dead? Big shows are bigger than ever?
• 31:37
  Yeah. And I've got interesting
• 31:38
  perspective on that. That Fairbury store races 22
• 31:41
  Saturday nights a year, right? We start and we don't stop.
• 31:43
  And I'm not going to pretend it's not tougher than it was
• 31:46
  five or six years ago. I think that's more of I think
• 31:50
  it's it's twofold I think 1. I I feel like I'm such a cliche
• 31:55
  when I say this but the amount of stuff people have to do now
• 32:00
  is insane. If I and I'm I'm joking says so
• 32:03
  I get my phone out right here my my gorgeous my gorgeous my
• 32:06
  gorgeous wife. Right if I we were talking about
• 32:09
  this this morning. She told me to say oh tell she
• 32:11
  goes. I like that Kenny Wallace.
• 32:12
  Tell him I said hello. Amber, tell her I love her.
• 32:14
  And our calendar now through November booked.
• 32:18
  I bet you're the same way, right?
• 32:20
  Not just racing stuff. Weddings, birthday parties, baby
• 32:22
  showers, da da, da. I feel like when I was a kid,
• 32:25
  I'm 42 years old, We have my dad said once every six weeks.
• 32:29
  We got something on a weekend, right?
• 32:31
  The amount of stuff human beings are doing now, mainly because of
• 32:34
  this, because you can stay connected with this and
• 32:36
  constantly do things with this. There's a just a ton of things
• 32:41
  to do and that people are doing. So when you have that dichotomy
• 32:46
  you're only going to achieve, you're going to cut off the
• 32:48
  bottom stuff, right? And in this case, the bottom
• 32:51
  stuff is local and weekly racing.
• 32:53
  It is. You marry that with the cost of
• 32:57
  local and weekly racing is high. So less local and weekly racers,
• 33:02
  less people who want to attend local and weekly racing fans.
• 33:05
  Now go, we're going to level up one level and we're not going to
• 33:08
  go to this. Less guys to see, less time to
• 33:11
  go do it. Or just going to level up.
• 33:13
  We're just going to level up. So now the big shows become
• 33:16
  gigantic. Prater Classic World 100 World
• 33:18
  Finals, Kings, Royal Knoxville Nationals.
• 33:21
  They are huge. Bigger than they've ever been.
• 33:24
  Bigger than they've ever been. And I just want to comment on
• 33:26
  this a little bit. My dream in life because I went
• 33:30
  to ASA right away, 1986, you know, I went, I'm almost
• 33:34
  embarrassed to say this, but I, my brother Rusty helped me with
• 33:37
  a shortcut. Not financially whatsoever.
• 33:39
  That was all me. Well, my old eyebrows got real
• 33:42
  protective right there, but it's just true.
• 33:45
  I went to the big time right away.
• 33:47
  I went ASA and I went to the Busch series, NASCAR and I never
• 33:52
  did any local racing. So myself and Dale Junior, he
• 33:56
  said, man, when I'm done, I'm going to go late model stock
• 33:59
  racing. And he is.
• 34:00
  And I said, I said I'm going to go run every week at Pevely.
• 34:06
  And I did, and I won the championship and I ran really
• 34:09
  good. But what was shocked to me was
• 34:13
  that locals really don't run for championships anymore.
• 34:16
  They'll they'll say silly things like me and my family are going
• 34:20
  to Six Flags this weekend, and I'm like, what in the world?
• 34:24
  My family win points, right? My family.
• 34:28
  My dad, Russ Wallace and my mom, Judy, she won powder puff races.
• 34:33
  We never took a weekend off. The winters were too long.
• 34:36
  What is your thoughts on what you just said?
• 34:39
  I mean, people, people, they're gonna be leading the points,
• 34:42
  right? Yeah, we're going to the lake
• 34:44
  this week and I'm like, no, you you race this week, you're that
• 34:48
  dynamic has changed. I think there's there's I love
• 34:51
  people who obsess over things. I love it.
• 34:53
  It's like one of my favorite. It's like one of my favorite
• 34:55
  things is people who like pick something out.
• 34:58
  You and I don't really have. Like we we were just born into
• 35:01
  obsessing over this, right. So the idea that someone and so
• 35:06
  like, let's take a step back, it take a step back.
• 35:09
  And if you view that person who's going to Six Flags, Six
• 35:12
  Flags might not be be my choice. But hey, they're going to Six
• 35:14
  Flags. They're going There is something
• 35:16
  like there's something beautiful about them having the ability.
• 35:20
  I can never do it, but there's something beautiful about them
• 35:23
  having the ability to like prioritize life over Motorsports
• 35:28
  a little bit. And I'm.
• 35:29
  I'm self aware, I know, seems nuts, right?
• 35:32
  But I'm self aware enough to go like that's.
• 35:35
  I actually kind of appreciate that it's not a life I would
• 35:38
  choose to live. But this person is saying I have
• 35:41
  a wife and a family and a life and I racing is not everything
• 35:44
  to me. And I'm going to go do this and
• 35:46
  disrupt this season points thing or whatever where you and me
• 35:50
  they might as well be alien foreign beings speaking that to
• 35:54
  me and you like what in the hell are you talking about?
• 35:57
  But the older I get, I can appreciate it.
• 36:00
  I can, and it's it's not something Kenny Wallace or
• 36:03
  Michael Rigsby would do, but I can look at it and go, I don't
• 36:06
  know, there is some sort of beauty, twisted, weird beauty,
• 36:09
  but but beauty to it, you know? Ray Bollinger is the most
• 36:14
  obsessed. I mean, yeah, I think he's more
• 36:17
  obsessed than Schrader Bollinger.
• 36:19
  Now, Ray, as you watch this or you're Ray Bollinger's friends
• 36:23
  will tell him. But maybe 10 years ago, Ray said
• 36:26
  he missed his son's graduation because he had to run Lincoln or
• 36:29
  Fairbury. And I understand it, you know, I
• 36:33
  had to make peace with my family because thank God for my awesome
• 36:36
  wife. I've been with my wife since we
• 36:40
  were children. You know, she was 15.
• 36:42
  I was 16. We met each other.
• 36:45
  My wife raised my kids because racing became my life.
• 36:49
  Later on in my life, you know, I said to my oldest daughter, said
• 36:54
  Brooke. Mom says you hate NASCAR.
• 36:58
  Dad, I hate NASCAR because I saw what it did to you.
• 37:01
  It it tore you apart, you know, competition wise and and and and
• 37:06
  then Brooke said I don't want you to quit racing, Dad, I want
• 37:09
  you. She said this last year, she
• 37:11
  said I don't want you to quit racing.
• 37:14
  I just want you to remember that you're we we have your
• 37:17
  grandchildren's birthdays and I don't want you rolling down the
• 37:20
  driveway because I did it, you know?
• 37:25
  So yeah, my early, my career is same way, right when you're
• 37:27
  building a company. It was every a a friend's
• 37:30
  weddings. I mean it was just like at the
• 37:32
  beginning of the year my wife and I would just buy 10 cards
• 37:34
  for weddings and graduations knowing we weren't going to any
• 37:37
  of them. We're we're not.
• 37:40
  We're not going to. Any of these.
• 37:42
  We'll be at Florence OR Dixie or West Virginia Motor and I'm
• 37:45
  glad. I don't.
• 37:45
  I don't know if you're. I do have a question for you
• 37:47
  about NASCAR. I you don't know if you're done
• 37:49
  with me yet, but I'm going to hit you with one too.
• 37:51
  Well, no. Listen, I respect you immensely.
• 37:54
  Interview me. Ask me.
• 37:55
  I mean, I I got. I got.
• 37:57
  I want to talk to you about Pierce going.
• 37:59
  No, no, I want you to keep your question.
• 38:01
  Remember, I want to talk to you about Pierce.
• 38:04
  I want to talk to you about high limit.
• 38:06
  And I want to talk to you about my controversy that I said.
• 38:11
  It looked to me like the World of Outlaws was stronger this
• 38:13
  year. But ask me your question first
• 38:15
  all. Right.
• 38:16
  We'll start because I do want to talk about Bobby, because Bobby
• 38:18
  to me is like the most fascinating Dirt Late Model
• 38:20
  driver since Scott Bloomquist. I have a lot to say.
• 38:22
  Yeah. And I I have an opinion on the
• 38:24
  tire thing too. So I'm happy to talk about that.
• 38:26
  You brought up NASCAR. We have of course a flow now we
• 38:29
  have the grassroots NASCAR contract, right.
• 38:31
  We have any anything that's below trucks basically so to
• 38:34
  speak, we have right from wheel and modified tour to all that
• 38:39
  stuff you got, you got that on there.
• 38:43
  It's NASCAR part of flow racing now.
• 38:45
  It is. It is.
• 38:47
  There we go. Yeah, and we've got more more
• 38:49
  news coming soon on our short track pavement offerings as
• 38:53
  well. One thing that I love before I
• 38:55
  get to my NASCAR question, 30 seconds, What I love is we're
• 38:57
  starting to see is I'm making these short track pavement fans,
• 39:00
  dirt fans. These dirt fans are becoming
• 39:02
  short track pavement fans. When I sold dirt on dirt to
• 39:05
  flow, Mark Floriani, the CEO of Flow, sat in my kitchen, which
• 39:09
  is right above me and him and I talked about he said what do you
• 39:11
  want to do? I said my dream is to make it 1
• 39:14
  Motorsports fan, not ten. I want Pavement fans to love
• 39:18
  drag, Drag to love dirt. We're doing that and we're
• 39:20
  seeing it that that audience is crossing over like crazy right
• 39:23
  now, which is super exciting. We've got some awesome stuff
• 39:26
  planned for the next year to really hype that up.
• 39:29
  But my question for you on NASCAR is I see I watch every,
• 39:32
  every Friggin Twitter video you do.
• 39:34
  I watch whether it's Kenny, Coffee with Kenny, Kenny
• 39:37
  Conversations. I watch them all right.
• 39:40
  And you talk so much about NASCAR.
• 39:41
  I have an opinion on. You asked me a lot about the
• 39:43
  problems with dirt track racing. I have an opinion on what I see
• 39:48
  as an issue with NASCAR. I think it's the only
• 39:51
  professional American sport that is not a meritocracy.
• 39:55
  And what I mean by that big word I know for for all the viewers
• 39:58
  out there, it's it's a big it's a big word for me.
• 39:59
  I I learned it recently. It a meritocracy.
• 40:02
  Meaning it's not totally merit based.
• 40:05
  When I'm watching the NFL or the NBA or Major League Baseball.
• 40:08
  I know these are the best baseball, football and
• 40:11
  basketball players in the world. Without question, you can't
• 40:15
  start a middle linebacker for the Chicago Bears if you're not.
• 40:17
  You've earned your way there. I believe that NASCAR has lost
• 40:22
  that. I think I had someone that you
• 40:24
  and I respect very much in the NASCAR world we both know and
• 40:26
  love. Tell me that half the field are
• 40:29
  those dudes. They're incredible.
• 40:31
  The other half, Michael, you might be right.
• 40:33
  They may not be the best drivers in the world.
• 40:36
  I think the fans are smart enough to know that and pick up
• 40:38
  on that and go, man, that guy's, you know, he sort of was
• 40:42
  interconnected and was able to get his ride and brought.
• 40:44
  And to me, I just think that's a fault.
• 40:46
  It's the only professional American sport that exists in
• 40:49
  that way where you don't know if you're watching the best.
• 40:53
  Tell me if I'm right or wrong about that.
• 40:56
  I'll meet you halfway out at 5050%.
• 40:59
  So my Mama taught me this. Don't insult my intelligence.
• 41:06
  So I agree with you, OK, We cannot insult NASCAR fans.
• 41:11
  Intelligence. OK, dirt racing fans absolutely
• 41:15
  did love. Now I say that past tense.
• 41:18
  They loved NASCAR. I mean, we would, you know,
• 41:21
  Bruce Patron, we do these Race of Champions deals a Bob Sargent
• 41:26
  and Schrader, they were teamed up.
• 41:27
  We would do NASCAR nights. And I'm telling you, if we did a
• 41:31
  NASCAR night 20 years ago, it was unbelievable.
• 41:36
  Dirt racing fans worship NASCAR. What pissed the dirt racing fans
• 41:42
  off is NASCAR started getting greedy.
• 41:45
  They said, OK, we're going to Texas and the dirt fans are
• 41:48
  like, hey man, listen, I'm not insulting dirt racing fans, but
• 41:53
  they're like, we got $60.00, that's we got 60 bucks, We want
• 41:56
  to go to Sunday's Cup race and Texas Motor Speedway said no,
• 42:01
  you you got to buy the the truck ticket, the Xfinity ticket.
• 42:05
  And now and then the hotel rooms are $300.00.
• 42:08
  And now everybody became angry because they didn't have enough
• 42:12
  money to go to a NASCAR race. Now they're now they're mad.
• 42:16
  Then they go, well look at this guy over here.
• 42:17
  Who is that? And I can name names all day
• 42:20
  long they brought money to get in the seat.
• 42:24
  OK, now you're right, 100% right.
• 42:28
  But here's where the problem lies.
• 42:30
  Junior Motorsports. That's all Rick Hendrick.
• 42:34
  But you know Rick Hendrick owns those cars, owns those motors to
• 42:40
  keep junior Motorsports doing something.
• 42:43
  It it's a it's a really, you know, and and there's Kelly and
• 42:46
  her. But all all those cars, that's
• 42:48
  all Rick Hendrick stuff. So you go, OK, Justin Algar, you
• 42:53
  cannot race. And then all of a sudden Justin
• 42:55
  goes, I got Brandt money. Yeah.
• 42:59
  And then all of a sudden, Kelly's like, OK, we'll let you
• 43:01
  drive the car. I just, I just acted it out for
• 43:04
  you. And then all of a sudden, Joe
• 43:08
  and Bob and Dan, they're not fired.
• 43:12
  So as soon as we make fun of the people that bring the money,
• 43:17
  it's like, OK, they're out of the ride.
• 43:20
  Well, let's put a guy in here that has no money, but he's
• 43:22
  talented. Well, he ain't got no money.
• 43:24
  So then the team shuts down South.
• 43:28
  I know all these things. And the people at Fox Sports
• 43:31
  said, Kenny, you're too jaded. I'm like, what do you mean?
• 43:34
  They said, you know, too much. You tell too much truth.
• 43:38
  You got to let some of it. You know, it's it's like I said
• 43:41
  this Alcatraz prison, the Birdman of Alcatraz.
• 43:45
  Yeah, Birdman. The man had one bird, but by the
• 43:49
  time it got going, he had a hundred birds.
• 43:52
  Same thing with NASCAR. And you.
• 43:54
  Yeah. And you brought up Bobby Pierce.
• 43:56
  And the reason I feel so passionate about this is when I
• 43:58
  spend my life watching, whether it's Bubba Pollard in the
• 44:01
  Asphalt Late Model side or Bobby Pierce or Brad Sweet or or Corey
• 44:05
  Day, who is the next Great American Sprint Car superstar?
• 44:08
  I believe in my hearts and I'm going to stake my flag.
• 44:11
  Those guys are better than a lot of the guys we, and I'm listen,
• 44:14
  Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin. Those guys are good.
• 44:16
  They're good at anything anytime those guys we know who the studs
• 44:19
  are right. Tyler Reddick I believe is is
• 44:21
  good anytime anywhere. But when I watch Bobby and Corey
• 44:24
  Day, I go, son of a bitch. These guys are as good as these
• 44:27
  guys and and that bothers me and it's hard.
• 44:30
  And that's not like a knock on the guys in NASCAR as much as it
• 44:33
  is me identifying talent and going, If this was the NFL,
• 44:38
  there'd be a New England Patriots scout in some small
• 44:41
  town in Minnesota watching some kid run the 40 yard dash going,
• 44:45
  I'm going to take this kid from Minnesota and he's going to play
• 44:48
  for the Patriots. That dream is hard to accomplish
• 44:51
  in the highest level of American Motorsports.
• 44:53
  And that makes me sad and it makes me.
• 44:55
  Sad. So I agree with you and
• 44:57
  psychologically what I hear from you and and this is a positive
• 45:02
  what I hear from you, I'm going to put it in a mean way.
• 45:06
  You you want Bobby Pierce gone from dirt racing and you want
• 45:10
  him in NASCAR. So when we want these people to
• 45:13
  move on, remember we're going to lose them and and there'll be
• 45:16
  another one to come. I'm with you.
• 45:19
  It's not as much as I want them gone.
• 45:21
  And in NASCAR, I kind of want the world to identify.
• 45:25
  And you know, you can say whatever you want about Chaz.
• 45:27
  Chaz Thompson's been talking about this topic for a long
• 45:29
  time, and I said the same thing to him.
• 45:31
  I said I agree with you. I want people.
• 45:33
  I just want somebody to go. Bobby Pierce is as good as
• 45:36
  driver XYZ on Sunday. That's all I need.
• 45:39
  That's all I need to hear. He brought up Chaz, and Chaz is
• 45:42
  going to watch this because people are going to tell him
• 45:44
  Chaz could be better, but he's so damn mean about it.
• 45:48
  He, you know, it's like I can tell you to, you know, I can be
• 45:52
  mean to you, but I can give you some respect.
• 45:55
  Chaz could have way bigger numbers.
• 45:57
  And I, me and Chaz have talked about this before.
• 45:59
  Chaz wants me to be part of him. I said, Chaz, you're so mean.
• 46:04
  I said, Jesus. I mean, see Chaz hates me but
• 46:07
  but he doesn't. That was part of his act.
• 46:10
  He said his his part of his act was to hate me, to get bigger
• 46:14
  numbers. I mean, no, you know, you you
• 46:17
  can't hate Kenny Wallace because I was NASCAR.
• 46:20
  That's so stupid. And he's got genuinely some of
• 46:23
  his perspectives are very good on Motorsports.
• 46:25
  I'm with you. Let's, let's flush him out.
• 46:27
  Let's hear him right. Yes, yes, yes.
• 46:29
  Yeah, it's just, it's just don't be so damn mean.
• 46:32
  So it was Kyle Stephens that had to sit Chaz down and go Chaz.
• 46:37
  You don't understand. Herman gave me money and pit
• 46:40
  passes and get you to go to, you know, I mean, I give everybody
• 46:43
  money, Michael, everybody. I mean, I can take pictures that
• 46:46
  I give Bobby Pierce $2500. I give Billy Smith 10 grand, I
• 46:51
  get shit. I write the flock of money
• 46:54
  coming out my ass. I give everybody as much money
• 46:56
  as I can give them. Chad should call me and say, you
• 47:00
  know, I didn't know all this about you, Kenny.
• 47:03
  I'm like you're so busy being mean that you're blinded.
• 47:06
  Well, I think he and he, he discovered with me too.
• 47:09
  I think he thought like, oh, who is this flow racing guy?
• 47:11
  Then he looked into my back story and he was like, oh shit,
• 47:13
  this guy rode around in a minivan for a year, built a
• 47:15
  company from nothing like, OK, I kind of like this guy.
• 47:18
  Similar, similar to you, same story, right?
• 47:20
  Like you. You've done this.
• 47:21
  You're we're grassroots. Guys, I built my own race cars,
• 47:25
  then the tubing. Well, then I made it to NASCAR,
• 47:27
  right? I always say people, all that.
• 47:30
  You know, the generation gap. Now here I'm talking about me
• 47:33
  because you because we both are talking about each other and and
• 47:36
  Chaz this segment is about you just you know I I said what I
• 47:40
  said just now but you know listen you and I have done too
• 47:44
  much when we were children to be disrespected because you know
• 47:49
  ask my brother Rusty ask my brother Mike ask Donny Jumper
• 47:53
  with impressive race car. So anyway, all right, so.
• 47:56
  That was my NASCAR question. Now hit me.
• 47:58
  That was my NASCAR. Question.
• 47:59
  OK, so let's go to Bobby Pierce and always, always my
• 48:03
  disclaimer. That way no people, nobody can
• 48:06
  pop in on the backside and go remember my disclaimer.
• 48:11
  Angie Pierce calls me up. We talked for 40 minutes, me and
• 48:16
  Angie. OK, I love her to.
• 48:17
  Death. I love her.
• 48:18
  To death. I call Angie.
• 48:19
  I say Angie, I need to send Bobby some money because he's
• 48:22
  looking for a sponsor. What's his address?
• 48:25
  Bob's too busy being a man, you know.
• 48:29
  Bobby's too young, so we got this weird dynamic.
• 48:36
  We got this Pierce family that they live, eat and breathe.
• 48:41
  If if Bobby doesn't win, there's this vision out there that the
• 48:44
  Pierces are are going to be poor right now.
• 48:47
  We all know this and and they're watching right now.
• 48:50
  So Bob and Angie have Bobby. Bobby, you're going to drive
• 48:54
  this race car if you don't win, you know, that is about the only
• 48:58
  team we see out there. Just like, you know, so now they
• 49:03
  say your your tires don't meet the benchmark.
• 49:07
  Angie is devastated because you know, she's defending her son.
• 49:14
  My boys tires are not illegal. Damn it.
• 49:18
  They messed up. And I said, Angie, are you
• 49:20
  saying Brian Carter's out to get your son?
• 49:22
  No. But they but Blue Ridge just
• 49:25
  messed up. But I like the lady at Blue
• 49:27
  Ridge, but she's in a basement. So I'm telling you all the
• 49:31
  truth, OK? We love Bobby Pierce.
• 49:35
  He's also loved to be hated for the early days of dirty sliders.
• 49:39
  But he had to do that dirty slider, else they don't make no
• 49:42
  money. I understand this whole damn
• 49:46
  dynamic. And his sponsor called me.
• 49:49
  Gary St. Sen said, hey, I want to sponsor
• 49:52
  Bobby Pierce. I said yes.
• 49:54
  I've. I've given money to Bobby and I
• 49:57
  support them all right now. I painted the whole damn
• 50:01
  picture. I painted the whole damn
• 50:03
  picture. Go ahead about the tower drama.
• 50:07
  I I will start here. So another business venture that
• 50:10
  I have is I'm half owner of the Wild West Shootout in New
• 50:14
  Mexico. So Chris Kearns, Chris Kearns
• 50:16
  and I own that event together. Bobby's family's out there.
• 50:18
  Bobby's family's always out there and and and I I love the
• 50:21
  Pierce family dearly like you do.
• 50:23
  I our. Disclaimer.
• 50:25
  Those those 45 minute conversations with Angie, I've
• 50:27
  had many of them with Bob. Bob.
• 50:28
  Bob was my dad hero growing up. My dad loved Bob.
• 50:31
  That big Bush across the front of his car, right?
• 50:34
  That man helped me. Loved him.
• 50:36
  So the reason I bring up the Wild West Shootout is this and
• 50:39
  I'm getting to the tire stuff. So Bobby runs incredibly well
• 50:43
  every year at the Wild West Shootout.
• 50:44
  We test tires at the Wild West Shootout every single year.
• 50:46
  Bobby's tires this year and every other year have come back
• 50:50
  correct from the Wild West Shootout.
• 50:52
  The reason I bring that up is there is a $300,000 bonus to be
• 50:57
  won at the Wild West Shootout if you win all six races.
• 50:59
  There's $100,000 bonus to be won if you win 5 races.
• 51:03
  Bobby was on the precipice of winning five races this year.
• 51:06
  He ended up wrecking and and didn't get there.
• 51:08
  I say all that to say, his tires come back clean and if if one
• 51:13
  was going to cheat, it might make sense that he would try to
• 51:16
  cheat during that event, right? With a 300 that that pays more
• 51:20
  than the World Outlaw Championship.
• 51:21
  Non sanctioned event. Bingo.
• 51:24
  Bingo, right? Let's cheat now.
• 51:26
  That one might do that. And again, I am not an expert on
• 51:29
  tire dope. I am not pretending.
• 51:30
  I know all the new, new stuff that's out there or any of that.
• 51:34
  What I will say is when I I'm giving you my perspective, I
• 51:38
  tell you about the Wild West Shootout.
• 51:39
  When I talk to them, Devin, Bobby, those guys, genuinely I
• 51:45
  believe them. I do.
• 51:47
  All I can do is sit in my seat and say I believe them, that
• 51:51
  they did not do this. There are people that are going
• 51:53
  to hear me say this and say you're a naive idiot.
• 51:55
  Grigsby, how stupid do you think you are?
• 51:58
  All I can do is judge a man and a person and a family, whether
• 52:01
  it's Miranda or Pierces, whoever on their character, my
• 52:04
  experiences with them and what they've told me, I don't believe
• 52:07
  that they knowingly treated their tires.
• 52:10
  Now, I also think Brian Carter is an honorable and noble man.
• 52:14
  I believe that Brian Carter believes what he and Steve, the
• 52:16
  process they've gone through and everything they've done.
• 52:19
  So if they think they're correct, and I believe, Bobby,
• 52:22
  somewhere out there, this result has manufactured itself.
• 52:26
  And I don't know, I'm not even saying it's a lab problem.
• 52:29
  I believe there's something that we don't know.
• 52:31
  I believe there's something that we don't understand or know.
• 52:34
  And again, whether it's Kim from Blue Ridge, who I've been told
• 52:38
  is an incredibly nice woman, or Brian Carter, someone's going to
• 52:41
  watch this and go, you're an idiot, you're an idiot for
• 52:44
  saying this, you're naive. But for when I look at the body
• 52:48
  of evidence, it doesn't support the idea that they would have
• 52:52
  knowingly cheated these tires. It just doesn't.
• 52:55
  From where I sit, particularly as an owner of the Wild West
• 52:57
  Shootout, it doesn't make sense that they would do it here and
• 53:01
  not here. This one select night here and
• 53:03
  not here. I just don't find that to be a
• 53:05
  logical conclusion to the story, right?
• 53:08
  And this is probably is about as publicly as I've spoken about
• 53:11
  it. I've been a little guarded
• 53:13
  before, but that's just how I feel.
• 53:15
  You know, if if six years from now it came out like the
• 53:18
  Zapruder tape and the Kennedy assassination that there's a
• 53:21
  picture of Devin Moran's treating a tire, Sure, I would
• 53:23
  accept that. Devin, I'm just using you as an
• 53:25
  example. But that's how I feel about it.
• 53:28
  My honest opinion is, logically, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 53:31
  This guy knows it could submarine his entire season.
• 53:34
  This guy didn't do it in New Mexico.
• 53:36
  With the $300,000 bonus on the line, 120 of his tires have been
• 53:39
  taken over the course of the last 365 days, all of which came
• 53:43
  back clean. It just doesn't logically make a
• 53:45
  lot of sense that on this one night, in this one instance, in
• 53:48
  this one place, that they would elect to do this.
• 53:51
  So that's my position on it. That's no disrespect to Brian
• 53:55
  and Steve. That's no disrespect to the
• 53:57
  folks at the Blue Ridge lab, 'cause.
• 53:59
  I think they're all honorable and noble.
• 54:01
  I really believe that Brian Carter cares about short track
• 54:03
  racing. I believe that he does.
• 54:05
  You think Brian Carter wanted to suspend Bobby Pierce?
• 54:07
  Hell no. That only hurts him.
• 54:10
  He doesn't want to do that, right?
• 54:12
  So I think everybody has noble intentions.
• 54:15
  There's just something we're not understanding in this process or
• 54:18
  there's something we're missing. And that's about as honest of a
• 54:21
  take as I can possibly give on it.
• 54:23
  Now I want to go because it's been long enough.
• 54:26
  So I interviewed Brian Carter two times neutrally.
• 54:31
  So I was, I was given on the backside asking this, asking
• 54:35
  that, asking this. I'm like, I got it.
• 54:38
  So I throw 22 darts at Brian Carter.
• 54:41
  And of course when the interview is over, there were, you know,
• 54:44
  my friends. Well, he answered it wrong.
• 54:48
  You should ask him. I said I I asked him everything
• 54:50
  you asked me to ask him. But the interview didn't go in
• 54:53
  their favor. So here's after all these after
• 54:59
  all these weeks, months, I'm going to tell you what I think.
• 55:04
  Remember, Remember I talked about being jaded when you know
• 55:07
  too much. So I know everything like you do
• 55:10
  and I'm going to pick the one that kind of will create more
• 55:15
  controversy and it's this one years ago, so and so bought 4
• 55:24
  tires and he soaked them and but didn't think it was a big deal.
• 55:31
  And then they weren't the right circumference.
• 55:34
  They were not the right size. He soaked them and then when
• 55:38
  they were mounted, he couldn't use them.
• 55:41
  So they're cheap. They're going to go to Hoosier.
• 55:45
  Look, they got the tits on them. We haven't even mounted them.
• 55:48
  OK, gave them back to Hoosier, got four more.
• 55:54
  There is this theory that is, that is true, 110% true, that
• 56:01
  people are soaking their tires and then trading them in and
• 56:05
  they're getting mixed into the Hoosier trailer.
• 56:08
  Now, whether that happened or not, I'll go with that.
• 56:12
  Yeah. Because because of everything.
• 56:16
  So I'm going to go with that one.
• 56:17
  Because that one's the the real one.
• 56:19
  I heard that that really happened.
• 56:21
  So now I know that. So now that cannot even.
• 56:24
  That's the bullshit that happened.
• 56:26
  Yeah. And and I think when I'm looking
• 56:28
  for the something we're missing, I keep saying that is a possible
• 56:31
  something we're missing kind of thing.
• 56:33
  Am I saying that happened here? I don't know, but we have
• 56:35
  evidence and we know that happened.
• 56:37
  So it just seems I like that they back the penalties off.
• 56:40
  I like that they did those things.
• 56:42
  In my mind they did it because they even realized maybe what
• 56:45
  are we missing here? Are we missing something To your
• 56:47
  point, right? Something like this happening.
• 56:49
  Bobby comes right back out on the outlaws and kicks their ass
• 56:51
  at Farmer City and and he's right back in the hunt.
• 56:54
  So I just, I also don't think and it's hard to tell these guys
• 56:58
  this. I don't think it's I'm going to
• 57:00
  say this and then let me put the brakes on.
• 57:02
  I don't think it's that big of a deal anymore.
• 57:04
  And what I mean by it is don't cheat tires, that is, don't do
• 57:07
  that, don't cheat. But what I mean is even if they
• 57:11
  didn't do it and get, I don't think people look at it, Kenny,
• 57:13
  like they did in 2004 or 2005. Quickly people will get over
• 57:18
  this, right. Easy for me to say that Angie
• 57:20
  Pierce is going. I got to deal with my sponsors
• 57:22
  and she's right and that's not great, but I think we'll move
• 57:25
  past it. Yeah.
• 57:27
  So let's end this like this. And you can have the last word
• 57:32
  on, but I want to say this. It's 110% true that there are
• 57:38
  hundreds of people soaking their tires.
• 57:40
  I know, I know the people. And and and the tire soaking
• 57:46
  industry, they're selling product.
• 57:47
  It's flying out the window. So here, let me ACT again.
• 57:51
  I'm going to act. Nobody's soaking their tires.
• 57:54
  What about this picture of these people buying the tire softener?
• 57:57
  What about these, this picture of the people, you know now
• 58:01
  there's evidence. You know, it's like and it's
• 58:04
  like we all know there there are people out there selling it all
• 58:09
  day long, right? I mean, I know my locals that
• 58:12
  soak and I just laugh. I'm like, I ain't got time for
• 58:14
  that. So.
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  So we know what's happening all day long.
• 58:18
  And I think that's the issue is, is these divisions like Lucas
• 58:23
  Oil and and you know World Outlaws they're like these son
• 58:27
  of a bitches are selling it right in front of our face.
• 58:30
  Oh there he is he's in the pit area here at Evolution.
• 58:33
  There's the guy you know, and I think that's the problem,
• 58:37
  Michael, is that they're selling it right in front of their face
• 58:41
  to to their they're in their pit area because everybody knows
• 58:45
  everybody. What did you say earlier?
• 58:46
  It started with a hundred birds and or what 1 bird went to 100.
• 58:49
  I've never seen anything in my life like a dirt track pit area
• 58:53
  when I can start at one end. By the time I walk to the other
• 58:57
  end. How the rumor has moved past me
• 58:58
  and escalated. I've never seen anything like it
• 59:01
  in my life. So that's why you're right.
• 59:03
  I know there's guys soaking tire, but you never know.
• 59:06
  Like I walked into the you, you know, Volusia.
• 59:07
  You go through that pit gate first there, Mark Richards
• 59:10
  there. All right.
• 59:10
  On your right. Then you go all the way down to
• 59:11
  the Gator pond. I am not bullshitting you.
• 59:14
  I've started at Mark Richards pit. 90 minutes later, got to
• 59:16
  the Gator pond. The story's not even remotely
• 59:19
  close to what I heard at Mark Richards pit.
• 59:22
  So that's what like troubles me a little is that you know is,
• 59:26
  is, is. You never know what to believe
• 59:29
  in the pits either And I think even you know that you know so.
• 59:32
  OK, so we're dealing with the tire debacle, which is really
• 59:35
  good. OK?
• 59:38
  My God, I told Charlie you were going to be 30 minutes.
• 59:42
  I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Molly.
• 59:44
  Charlie. I'm sorry, buddy.
• 59:46
  No, no, that was just, but this is too good, 'cause I love dirt
• 59:49
  racing so much and and and the great thing about dirt racing is
• 59:52
  it's so controversial. It's.
• 59:54
  I know it's just he he slid him. He should he should go to jail.
• 59:59
  It's like calm down. My Sprint car friends tease me
• 1:00:01
  too, 'cause obviously high limit now and great partnership with
• 1:00:04
  Kyle and Brad. High limits on flow.
• 1:00:05
  They're always like Jesus, you late model guys.
• 1:00:07
  My God, there's something going on every week with.
• 1:00:11
  You it's it's fun. It it's like that.
• 1:00:14
  There's that meme out that I just saw.
• 1:00:16
  It says. I don't like drama, but.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, right, right. And all you dirt people that are
• 1:00:23
  listening to this, you all know you love, you eat it up and
• 1:00:25
  y'all give us something to talk about.
• 1:00:27
  OK, so I got two more questions. It's going to be thoughts on the
• 1:00:32
  high limit and then the controversy that I started which
• 1:00:35
  is funny. OK.
• 1:00:37
  So Brad sweet on Kenny conversation last year I said
• 1:00:41
  why are you starting high limit. He's basically said we want to
• 1:00:45
  give teams more of an opportunity to make a living.
• 1:00:50
  We we want to you know we see what's going on.
• 1:00:54
  They're wonderful people. I was just at the high limit
• 1:00:56
  race. I created controversy by
• 1:01:00
  standing right here and saying hey, I'm going to the high limit
• 1:01:03
  race while Wes Irwin with the World of Outlaws souvenir
• 1:01:06
  trailers right behind me and and and I had I had a very powerful
• 1:01:10
  person call me at me go. How in the hell did you pull
• 1:01:12
  that off? I'm like, what, Brad Sweet's
• 1:01:16
  going to run Eldora and he going to run when, I mean all the high
• 1:01:20
  limit guys are going to go run Eldora.
• 1:01:22
  So what am I missing here? Right, right.
• 1:01:24
  OK. So your thoughts on what Brad
• 1:01:27
  and Kyle are doing? I I said last year in the I did
• 1:01:30
  my podcast and I said it was inevitable.
• 1:01:34
  And what I mean by that is you have you have the sport of dirt
• 1:01:39
  late model racing growing with two or three national tours
• 1:01:43
  maybe even some people say 4 national tours, purses exploding
• 1:01:47
  bigger midweek purses etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:01:50
  That's one factor. You have Kyle Larson, who I
• 1:01:53
  believe to be the greatest American Motorsports talent, if
• 1:01:55
  not the greatest global Motorsports talent outside of
• 1:01:57
  Max Verstappen, maybe doing this barnstorming tour across America
• 1:02:02
  where he's connecting NASCAR and dirt track fans together.
• 1:02:08
  And Kyle's this, this national phenomena of a dirt track racer
• 1:02:12
  who happens to be a NASCAR champion.
• 1:02:14
  And oh, by the way, Kyle Larson, all he's ever dreamed about his
• 1:02:17
  entire life is running. He'll tell you like he wanted to
• 1:02:19
  have a Sprint car tour, right? Like he loves the outlaws and
• 1:02:22
  always has, but he wanted to have a Sprint car tour.
• 1:02:24
  So. So #1, you've got late model
• 1:02:26
  purses getting bigger than ever. You've got Kyle Larson's a
• 1:02:28
  national phenomena who would love to have his own tour.
• 1:02:31
  You've got Brad. Sweet.
• 1:02:33
  And who is, by the way, I don't think I ever gave Brad credit
• 1:02:35
  for how smart he is. Me.
• 1:02:37
  Either. He's smart.
• 1:02:38
  He is a smart MF. Uh, OK, let me be very clear.
• 1:02:41
  About that. And I and I really is, you know,
• 1:02:44
  I was a general manager of Flow Racing.
• 1:02:45
  I deal with him a ton, getting high, low and you know we're an
• 1:02:47
  investor in high limit and getting them going and talking
• 1:02:50
  to Brad regularly, Brad's really smart.
• 1:02:52
  Brad's won five consecutive World of Outlaw championships,
• 1:02:56
  and I think you would know that you know this as much as
• 1:02:58
  anybody. When you've done something for
• 1:02:59
  so long, you kind of want to see what else there is to do, right?
• 1:03:04
  So that's a factor. And I think he had a group of
• 1:03:06
  outlaw drivers that felt the same way.
• 1:03:08
  You throw all of those three things in the big money in late
• 1:03:11
  model racing. Kyle's a phenomena, kind of
• 1:03:13
  wants to have his own Tour. Brad's done this thing and
• 1:03:15
  dominated it. It was inevitable.
• 1:03:18
  It was inevitable that there would inevitably be a competitor
• 1:03:22
  to the world of Outlaw Sprint Car Tour.
• 1:03:24
  And I'm sitting over here in Late Model World going, shit, we
• 1:03:27
  got four national tours. What are these people
• 1:03:28
  complaining about? Who cares?
• 1:03:31
  I got competition out my elbows over here, right?
• 1:03:35
  So I'm like, what's the big deal?
• 1:03:37
  So I think when you factor in all those things, it was simply
• 1:03:40
  inevitable, Kenny, that someone was gonna do this.
• 1:03:43
  And I do know for a fact Brad was not the only group and
• 1:03:47
  people that were considering this.
• 1:03:49
  There were other people out there matriculating the idea of
• 1:03:52
  starting a national Sprint Car tour to compete with the World
• 1:03:55
  of Outlaws. It just so happened Brad and
• 1:03:57
  Kyle were kind of the perfect combo, right?
• 1:03:59
  You can use Kyle Larson's celebrity to elevate the tour in
• 1:04:03
  the immediate respect that Brad Sweet rightfully commandeers and
• 1:04:07
  gets because of his status in the sport.
• 1:04:10
  So I think both of them will exist.
• 1:04:12
  I think both of them will exist very well.
• 1:04:13
  I think big outlaw events are going to be big.
• 1:04:15
  I think big high limit events are going to be big.
• 1:04:18
  Had a great event at Red Dirt last night, really good crowd,
• 1:04:20
  big crowd at Texas that you saw right over 6000 people on the
• 1:04:23
  property at Texas Motor Speedway there.
• 1:04:26
  It's going to be fine. And I just if from a late and
• 1:04:29
  I'm that's my late model perspective like telling all my
• 1:04:31
  Sprint Car people, guys, it's going to be OK just calm down.
• 1:04:34
  We're going to get through this, right?
• 1:04:36
  Yeah, I think it will be totally fine and it's exciting for
• 1:04:39
  Sprint Car. Corey Day is becoming a star
• 1:04:42
  right before our eyes because he's got a bigger national
• 1:04:45
  platform to go compete on and win races.
• 1:04:47
  Now Mark Martin said Joey Logano was going to be the next best
• 1:04:51
  thing, and he was. And Kyle Larson told me Corey
• 1:04:55
  Day is me. And of course that ricocheted
• 1:04:58
  SO22 things about High Limit 10,000 to win now is gone.
• 1:05:04
  It's 12,000 to win. So they bumped everything up two
• 1:05:07
  grand, which is a lot of money. So that 12,000 must help cover
• 1:05:12
  everyday racing. My point is, as you know as a as
• 1:05:16
  a dirt racer myself, it's like what was the importance of
• 1:05:19
  12,000 versus 10? What, besides being more money
• 1:05:22
  that 2000 must have been important because now I noticed
• 1:05:26
  that Sprint car racing, now everything's 12,000 to win.
• 1:05:30
  So I just want to, I want you to recognize that we all see that
• 1:05:34
  10 is over, it's now it's 12 and I see that.
• 1:05:38
  I don't know what it means. I'm just saying I see it it that
• 1:05:41
  must have been the number. Priority Aviation, Jennifer and
• 1:05:45
  Richard Marshall. Great people.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, they sponsor me. They're wonderful.
• 1:05:50
  They they got Tyler Courtney Sunshine over here with High
• 1:05:54
  Limit and they and they got Sheldon Hanshaw over here with
• 1:05:57
  the World of Outlaws. So Jennifer was the one
• 1:06:00
  screaming for more money and and then the Internet beat her up
• 1:06:05
  and and so they they split split them up and they said OK both of
• 1:06:08
  you go each way. I just thought it was funny as
• 1:06:11
  hell and Jennifer and Richard know how much.
• 1:06:15
  Listen they're they're so good for the sport.
• 1:06:17
  If Jennifer and Richard were to quit the sport, it would it
• 1:06:21
  would hurt bad because they got a lot of wing, non wing,
• 1:06:25
  midgets, you name it. OK, let's sound like this.
• 1:06:31
  I know that Lucas Oil is on flow.
• 1:06:35
  That's my disclaimer. I was kind of having fun.
• 1:06:40
  So over the week Wheatland MO, Lucas Oil Speedway, MLRA,
• 1:06:47
  $20,000 to win the same. The same that Farmer City paid
• 1:06:53
  you. You had Marler, you had Thornton
• 1:06:57
  and you had JD They were there, the Lucas Oil guys and I and I
• 1:07:04
  said in a fun way. I said, man, it seems like World
• 1:07:08
  of Outlaw Lake models are stronger this year.
• 1:07:12
  And I said that to Nick Hoffman two months ago.
• 1:07:17
  So I'm not. I'm not.
• 1:07:19
  I I know you're Lucas Oil. I know you're everybody but D
• 1:07:23
  bullshit that for me. Why did I mean 20,000 win and
• 1:07:28
  you're a Lucas Oil guy. Why didn't you go there?
• 1:07:31
  So I think where you got again the no bullshit zone where you
• 1:07:35
  got in trouble is, is this. My wife is always says to me,
• 1:07:39
  honey, where you got in trouble was here.
• 1:07:41
  Where you got in trouble was it was not, it was not a Lucas Oil
• 1:07:44
  race, right. It was an MLRA race.
• 1:07:46
  It was a regional race that happened to pay $20,000 to win.
• 1:07:51
  So many of the Lucas Oil regulars like Turbo and those,
• 1:07:54
  they didn't even attend Wheatland.
• 1:07:56
  So I think people thought just on the surface you were saying
• 1:08:00
  here's an outlaw race, here's a Lucas race, which was not really
• 1:08:03
  a Lucas race. And and I'm comparing these two
• 1:08:06
  head to head. So I followed along the entire
• 1:08:08
  Twitter saga all weekend. When people are hammering you,
• 1:08:10
  you know, like. I love going back to them.
• 1:08:12
  Well I know, I know you do. And the worst part is, is they
• 1:08:15
  don't realize that you just eat it up and they keep coming right
• 1:08:18
  back to you is these were not sanction outlaw sanction Lucas.
• 1:08:21
  It was only a sanction outlaw race.
• 1:08:23
  So I think that's where people were like, hey, this isn't
• 1:08:25
  exactly a fair comparison because it's not a Lucas Oil big
• 1:08:29
  series event, it's simply an MLRA regional event is what
• 1:08:32
  people were trying to say to you.
• 1:08:34
  So if we're going to compare them, let's compare them in two
• 1:08:36
  weeks. When it's a proper Lucas race,
• 1:08:39
  it's a proper outlaw race. Let's stack the rosters up next
• 1:08:42
  to each other and then we'll determine who's stronger.
• 1:08:44
  I think that's what because there was Lucas guys at Farmer
• 1:08:46
  City, right. And those guys, when Lucas has a
• 1:08:49
  race, they would not be at an outlaws race, they would be at a
• 1:08:52
  Lucas race. So you will see kind of the
• 1:08:54
  proper comparison here in a couple weeks when they're head
• 1:08:56
  to head. So it's not a big thing, but I
• 1:09:01
  love calling me out because see and I try to explain this to
• 1:09:05
  people. I say, look, I say what I'm
• 1:09:08
  going to say and your job is to comment on it.
• 1:09:12
  It's called content. It's it's, it's it's what we do.
• 1:09:16
  I got to say something and you got to be mad at me if you're
• 1:09:18
  not mad at it's. I grew up on this.
• 1:09:20
  It's AM debate radio. So they fell right into my hands
• 1:09:25
  and I tried to explain to him that they fell right into my
• 1:09:28
  even my buddy Ted Brown. I'm like Ted, you know, I'm
• 1:09:32
  like, so my point would be this, You're saying Turbo is a Lucas
• 1:09:37
  Oil guy? Was it the was it the six more
• 1:09:42
  hour drive? Why didn't why didn't they go to
• 1:09:46
  the same? It paid the same.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah and actually the the payout was probably better at the
• 1:09:51
  Outlaw race. I think my guess is the top paid
• 1:09:54
  the same. I'm I'm getting MLRA purses
• 1:09:56
  traditionally through the field or not as good as world of
• 1:09:59
  Outlaw purses through the field. I'd have to compare them.
• 1:10:01
  I'm going to guess the meat of the Outlaw purse was better than
• 1:10:04
  the meat of the MLRA purse at Lucas Oil Speedway but a lot of
• 1:10:08
  factors Turbo loves Farmer City. He's very good there right he's
• 1:10:11
  he's really good there. I think he got second last
• 1:10:13
  Saturday night, so that's a factor.
• 1:10:15
  Distance closer to Ohio for him. The purse, the, the starting
• 1:10:19
  money I think was better at Farmer City for all the reasons
• 1:10:22
  you mentioned. There's there's reasons for
• 1:10:24
  those guys to go do that. I'm thinking to myself, we'll
• 1:10:26
  end like this. And on on your point, high limit
• 1:10:31
  Sprint Car versus world of Outlaw Sprint car.
• 1:10:34
  Here you got these Lucas Oil guys that just can't wait to go
• 1:10:36
  run this world of outlaw race because it suits them.
• 1:10:40
  I love that and I love it. That dirt racing is that dynamic
• 1:10:44
  and that awesome. So what, my friend?
• 1:10:47
  Listen, we'll end it just like that.
• 1:10:49
  You were wonderful. You know, I've been bragging on
• 1:10:53
  you forever and and congratulations on being the
• 1:10:58
  most influential person in dirt racing history.
• 1:11:01
  And listen, everybody, if you want to argue about that, please
• 1:11:04
  comment below and and 'cause that will be more content.
• 1:11:08
  I say he is because he is the one that put Bloomquist and
• 1:11:12
  Moyer on the map. And now the rest of the drivers
• 1:11:15
  are reaping the rewards of what that man.
• 1:11:17
  Well, let me see. Yeah, right there.
• 1:11:19
  You did. You did.
• 1:11:20
  Remember, we are in podcast form.
• 1:11:23
  Please tune in on iTunes and Spotify.
• 1:11:26
  This is a long one. So you're going to want to
• 1:11:28
  listen to Michael Rigsby on your way to work.
• 1:11:30
  You're going to go to work and turn around, turn it right back
• 1:11:33
  on. This is a good one.
• 1:11:34
  So Michael, thank you so much for being on Kenny conversation.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, Kenny, thank you. Thank you for being so
• 1:11:40
  complimentary and thank you for being what I say earlier.
• 1:11:43
  Thank you for being so obsessed with this thing.
• 1:11:45
  I love it. So I appreciate it and thank you
• 1:11:47
  very much. All right, everybody.
• 1:11:49
  We got more than they can. We got Tim McCready coming up.
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• 1:11:55
  Drag Racers Motorcycle. Herman, you know what you should
• 1:11:57
  do? What?
• 1:11:59
  Respond right below. Tell me the next person we
• 1:12:02
  should talk to, but Tim Mccreede is coming up next.
• 1:12:04
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• 1:12:08
  Why do those cars cough so much? All right, until next time.