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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day. I just really feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like we might have a chance here to, like, really
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  Speaker 2: help some people that were big. You know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 2: that in this pod, we might.
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  Speaker 1: Have a chance to, like... One million percent.
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  Speaker 2: So I brought a bunch of notes about what I
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  Speaker 2: went through, so don't look at me like a super
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  Speaker 2: nerd today, but I wanted to make sure I got my...
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  Speaker 2: I want to help people, dude. I just, man, I
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  Speaker 2: never thought I'd lose this way.
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  Speaker 1: I like a dude with notes.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Especially a dude who lost 300 fucking pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. Look at you, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I feel great, yo.
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  Speaker 1: You should feel great.
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  Speaker 2: I feel really, really good, dude.
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  Speaker 1: You're a totally doing human being.
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  Speaker 2: It is, man. You know what's crazy? I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get super spiritual out the gate, but I will
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  Speaker 2: because I think God wants me to right now because
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  Speaker 2: of you saying that. There's a scripture in the Bible
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  Speaker 2: that says, in Christ all things are a new creation,
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  Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting because it didn't talk about
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  Speaker 2: restoring the old. It says that in God, we are
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  Speaker 2: a completely new creation. You know what I mean? So, like,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at it at first like I'm restoring
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  Speaker 2: my heart. But then when you're saying that, I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't restore my heart. I got a whole new heart.
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  Speaker 2: This is a brand new heart, Joe. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It might be cloaked as the old one, but God
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  Speaker 2: touched it. It's a whole new heart, baby. It's a
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  Speaker 2: different heart.
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  Speaker 1: Every seven years, doesn't every cell in your body get
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  Speaker 1: replaced by new cells? Isn't that what the number is?
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Throw that into our sponsor perplexity and find out that's nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that's true. I think that's what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So you do have a chance to be a new
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  Speaker 1: human being.
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  Speaker 2: And think that it would happen on a holy number
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a myth.
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  Speaker 2: God damn it. Shit.
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  Speaker 1: Every seven years is a myth. Different cell types have
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  Speaker 1: very different lifespans. And some last a lifetime. I think
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  Speaker 1: neurons last a lifetime. Seven-year figure is a rough average
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  Speaker 1: estimate of cell age. Oh, okay. So it's not a
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  Speaker 1: total myth. Not a fixed cycle where everything is swapped
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  Speaker 1: out all at once. Some tissues renew very fast while
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  Speaker 1: others renew slowly or hardly at all, which averages out
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  Speaker 1: to several years if you look at all the cells together.
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  Speaker 1: So intestinal lining cells renew every two to five days. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Stomach lining turns over roughly every two to nine days.
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  Speaker 1: Skin surface cells replace roughly every few weeks. Um, liver
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  Speaker 1: cells are typically renewed on timescales of many months to
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  Speaker 1: up to a few years. Bone cells take up to
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  Speaker 1: a decade to fully remodel a skeleton. Muscles and cells. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: cells are changing all the time.
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  Speaker 2: God, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: All the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's constantly renewing, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Feels good, man. A whole different human. We were talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. When I first came to your club, I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even walk all the way up the steps without
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  Speaker 2: stopping like every seventh step. And today was my, um,
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  Speaker 2: Me and Cam did my first 10K yesterday. We did
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  Speaker 2: a little bit over. We did 6.5. So today was
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  Speaker 2: recovery run day. I did two and a half miles.
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  Speaker 2: Just having a conversation with you while you're swinging kettlebells.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, look at who I am, Joe. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a whole new guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just chilling, doing two and a half miles on
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  Speaker 1: a treadmill. It's wild.
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  Speaker 2: Just watching the Peter Jan fight again.
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  Speaker 1: And you had a nice pace. You were casual doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could tell you've been working. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: a new thing. Your body's acclimated to it. You could
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  Speaker 1: really tell.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, and I heard Tony Robbins once say that
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  Speaker 2: we We grossly overestimate what we can do in a
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  Speaker 2: year and we underestimate what we can do in a decade.
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  Speaker 2: And for people that might be listening to this that
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  Speaker 2: are dealing with severe obesity, I want to give you
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  Speaker 2: this game. You will grossly overestimate what you can do
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  Speaker 2: in 90 days, but underestimate in what you can do
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  Speaker 2: in a year when it comes to your health. Like
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  Speaker 2: it was right around my 30. I turned 41 three
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  Speaker 2: days ago. And it was right around my 39th birthday
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  Speaker 2: that I started really considering taking the step to try
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  Speaker 2: to make a major change in my life. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought about it around my birthday cause I knew my
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  Speaker 2: next one was 40. You know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think I've ever met a
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  Speaker 2: 500 pound 40 year old.
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  Speaker 1: They don't come around very often. Usually that's when they
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  Speaker 1: drop off.
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  Speaker 2: And it felt like I'd already cheated the game. I'd
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  Speaker 2: had multiple heart issues, you know? Um, And I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I should really start trying to figure this out. I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I could feel myself dying, Joe. And it
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  Speaker 2: was crazy because I spent most of my life thinking
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  Speaker 2: that when I get to this point, or I never
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  Speaker 2: thought I'd get to this point, we'll start there as
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  Speaker 2: far as success.
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  Speaker 1: But even your hands look smaller. You have new hands.
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  Speaker 2: I've had to change my aura ring size five times
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  Speaker 2: in this process. Yeah. I've changed clothes for two years straight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at your hands. I'm like, he has different
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  Speaker 1: size hands now. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Everything, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in how long? It's been at
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  Speaker 1: least a year and a half.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a year and a half. We did the pod.
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  Speaker 2: I was in this pod bragging about being 420 pounds
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  Speaker 2: because I'd lost 120 pounds. And I was in here
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  Speaker 2: excited about those 120, you know. And I would have
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  Speaker 2: never guessed it. I've lost Ilya Teporia since then. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? I've lost a whole nother, a
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  Speaker 2: whole nother. My chef said it best. He said when
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  Speaker 2: Charles Oliveira fell off of Michael Chandler's back, that was
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  Speaker 2: what you lost since the last time you've seen Joe.
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  Speaker 2: It would be like if a Michael Chandler just jumped
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  Speaker 2: off your shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. When I go walk with my dog, I
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  Speaker 1: put a 45-pound plate on a pack. And when I
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  Speaker 1: get done with the walk, I take it off. I'm like, whew.
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  Speaker 1: That ain't shit.
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  Speaker 2: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: You were walking around with an extra 300 fucking pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Cam said this yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It was so funny.
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  Speaker 2: He said, you know why you're inspiring so many people?
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  Speaker 2: He said, think about how much David Goggins inspired people
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  Speaker 2: because he went from 300 pounds to getting in shape.
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  Speaker 2: He said, and you've lost David Goggins at his biggest.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never even thought of it that way. I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's a whole.
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  Speaker 1: You lost a whole David Goggins.
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  Speaker 2: My surgeon said, I have 35 pounds of skin on
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  Speaker 2: me now.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you've seen it. I showed you my shirt
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  Speaker 2: off stuff. But it's like, it's crazy, dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Just 30 pounds, five pounds of extra skin.
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  Speaker 2: Just extra skin.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's just hanging off the front of me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody said, doesn't that hurt? I was like, not as
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  Speaker 2: bad as the 500 that was hanging. I'll take these
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  Speaker 2: 35 over that all day, dude. Way, way fair exchange.
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  Speaker 1: So what was, you knew you were doing bad. You
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  Speaker 1: knew your body was not, it was not going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to function properly. at that weight for very
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  Speaker 1: much longer. And so what was the pivotal moment where
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  Speaker 1: you made this decision?
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  Speaker 2: Here's, this is good. This is why I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do this with you. Thank you for letting me have
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  Speaker 2: this space. Cause this is what I want people to
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  Speaker 2: hear is that every time I thought I had a
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  Speaker 2: critical moment, it was a, it was an emotional moment.
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  Speaker 2: So I'd get all fired up. I've been trying to
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  Speaker 2: lose this weight my whole life. And I, and I'd
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  Speaker 2: yo-yo 50, 70 pounds down, go back up. Me and
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  Speaker 2: my nutritionist Ian Larios were looking at notes yesterday. I
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  Speaker 2: spent most of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds like
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  Speaker 2: that year. That's how much I fluctuated in just a
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  Speaker 2: year up and down. 560 is so big. Crazy. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so it's like I was just such a. So when
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  Speaker 2: I sat down to try to lose it this time,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to take a different approach. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to really take my time with it. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to think about what I'm doing and be intentional.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to let it be an emotional thing
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  Speaker 2: where you just jump up and go, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go run in the day and do, do, do. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, let me, let me figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly I've dealt with drug addiction. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's something here. Like how come, um, I actually
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  Speaker 2: have this in my notes. Overeating wasn't a failure of
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  Speaker 2: willpower for me. It was a biological loop that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know how to interrupt.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? That's good. The problem with food addiction is,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to every other addiction is that you have
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  Speaker 1: to keep doing the thing you're addicted to. It's the
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  Speaker 1: only one.
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  Speaker 2: And it's everywhere. Not that crack isn't everywhere and heroin
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  Speaker 2: isn't everywhere, but it's not, I've never, there's not heroin
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  Speaker 2: on this table. You know what I'm saying? There's a
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  Speaker 2: cookie on here somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: There has been, but food is something that you need
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  Speaker 1: to sustain you to keep alive. Like imagine if you
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  Speaker 1: were a gambling addict, but you had to play a
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  Speaker 1: few hands of blackjack every day.
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  Speaker 2: Every day that's crazy like you had to like you
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  Speaker 2: gotta play at least two.
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  Speaker 1: Stay alive yeah so stay alive.
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  Speaker 2: You can imagine i started and with that mentality i
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  Speaker 2: said well the first thing i'll do is let me
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  Speaker 2: you know how can i cut back how much i'm
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  Speaker 2: eating and less less eating periods but the first thing
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  Speaker 2: i did was started um every time i said i
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  Speaker 2: was going to lose the weight so i said i
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  Speaker 2: lied to myself we talked about this i would tell
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  Speaker 2: myself I'm going to do this. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: do that. And then I'd go tell my family that.
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  Speaker 2: So the lie started with me, though. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: there's a big person listening to this right now or
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  Speaker 2: a drug addict or somebody who wants to change some
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  Speaker 2: part of their life that right now is going. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to start next Monday. You know. Or I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to start Friday. Or I'm going to start. They have
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  Speaker 2: a start date. And then that Monday comes and they
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  Speaker 2: never do it. I told you. I was like every
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  Speaker 2: other fat fuck. Even when I finally did it on Friday,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Monday, I'm waking up and changing my life.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, but I had an idea. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not cutting out food. I'm not dealing
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  Speaker 2: with nothing crazy. I'm going to do two small things first.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to cold plunge because I've been watching Dana
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  Speaker 2: White do it. And it seems to be working for him.
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  Speaker 2: That's how just naive I was to the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: at first. I was like, Dana's cold plunging. He got
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  Speaker 2: in shape. I was like, and I reached out to
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  Speaker 2: Gary immediately, like right around that 39th birthday. I reached
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  Speaker 2: out to Gary Brekker and I just sent a message
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  Speaker 2: to Brekker Blind that said, do you work with fat people?
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen a real case study of fat people yet.
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  Speaker 2: And lucky for me, Alina, their daughter, him and Sage's
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  Speaker 2: daughter was a country music fan. So she comes in like,
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: you ever heard of Jelly Roll? And they're like, no.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, you got to listen to this song and
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: then you got to help him. So Gary called and
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  Speaker 2: Gary was like, and I said, Gary, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: start by, he said, just start by trying to get 10,000
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  Speaker 2: steps a day and get in a cold plunge. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I'm 520 pounds, Gary. 10,000 steps a day is crazy talk.
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  Speaker 2: But I got in the cold plunge for six minutes
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  Speaker 2: and I would go for a half mile walk. That
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  Speaker 2: first Monday comes, Joe, it is pissing rain. Pissing rain.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, cats and dogs, dude. And I wake up
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, shit. And I've been studying about lying
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  Speaker 2: to yourself. That when you tell yourself you're going to
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  Speaker 2: do something and you don't do it, your body then
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  Speaker 2: starts to know that you don't mean what you say.
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  Speaker 2: So now when you tell your body to do something,
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  Speaker 2: your body looks at you like, bitch, you ain't never
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  Speaker 2: meant what you said to me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You've never followed through. What do you, fuck you? You
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  Speaker 2: think I'm going to run because you tell me to run? Dude,
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  Speaker 2: you lie to me all the time. And I was
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  Speaker 2: in that concept and I came out that morning dressed
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  Speaker 2: up in my stuff and I was like, man, that
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  Speaker 2: rains pretty hard. And my family, and this wasn't them
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  Speaker 2: being a lack of support, Joe. This was just, I
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  Speaker 2: think this was me lying to them for so many years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that they wanted to save me my shame
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  Speaker 2: again and my embarrassment. And they go, it's okay. I
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  Speaker 2: think my wife's like, it's okay, Papa. Um, Or my
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  Speaker 2: daughter was like, just wait till the rain quits or
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  Speaker 2: do it on the treadmill or something. But in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm going outside, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm done lying to y'all and I'm
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  Speaker 2: done lying to me. I told y'all I was going
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  Speaker 2: to go do this walk and I'm going to do
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  Speaker 2: this walk. I didn't want to get emotional this early.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with emotions, brother. I'm coming back from
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  Speaker 1: that walk.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm coming up my driveway it's up a big
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  Speaker 2: hill I'm bringing a camel too it's a huge hill
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  Speaker 2: and I'm coming up the driveway to the hill and
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  Speaker 2: all my family's.
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  Speaker 1: Out there cheering me on.
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  Speaker 2: Clapping hands up I'd done nothing but lie to them
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  Speaker 2: for years about this weight I'd done nothing I had
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  Speaker 2: never proved to them that I was going to change
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  Speaker 2: or that I'd be a man of my word in
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  Speaker 2: any regard. They had every reason not to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and cheer me on. And that was like a
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  Speaker 2: big moment. That was the moment, you know, where I
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  Speaker 2: was like, damn. And I realized that in addiction, that
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  Speaker 2: in addiction, the family will kind of cater to the addict.
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  Speaker 2: It's nature. You know, like if somebody in your family
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  Speaker 2: was a drug addict, you would you would help with
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  Speaker 2: their kids or you would you know, you would you
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  Speaker 2: would feel a need to help in their absence. It's
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  Speaker 2: what we do as a family. It's human nature. And
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  Speaker 2: I realized then how much my addiction had been hurting
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  Speaker 2: his family. You know how much that my sex life
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  Speaker 2: with my wife was horrible. Dude, I married a fucking
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: big titty blonde, beautiful woman dog. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like I married the kind of woman that makes you
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  Speaker 2: smile when you're crying.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't even get aroused. I was so big. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I was having to play twister to have sex. Left
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  Speaker 2: foot here, right foot in the X. Are we in
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  Speaker 2: there yet? Tell me if you feel something. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was bad. My daughter, I think about my son.
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  Speaker 2: My brother would have to go throw football with him.
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  Speaker 2: I was too big to throw the football. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, that's what my addiction has done to these people.
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  Speaker 2: And here they are cheering for me. Oh, dude, we're
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  Speaker 2: turning up. We're going to figure this out. So then
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was a mental thing. And I read
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  Speaker 2: a book called The Fox, The Horse, The Mole, and
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  Speaker 2: The Boy. You ever heard of this book?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: It's a children's book. Jamie, if you don't mind pulling
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  Speaker 2: it up, because it's just, it's somebody kind of recreated
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  Speaker 2: Winnie the Pooh, but for our kids, you know? And
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  Speaker 2: it was a children's book, and I opened it up,
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  Speaker 2: and it has a moment where it goes, yeah, The Boy,
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  Speaker 2: The Fox, and The Mole.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I have seen this.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, you want to talk about a seven-minute read that
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  Speaker 2: will change your life? But there's a quote in there
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  Speaker 2: that goes, I forgot if it was the mole, but
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  Speaker 2: the fox or something looks at the horse and goes,
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  Speaker 2: what's the hardest thing you've ever done in your life?
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  Speaker 2: And the horse goes, ask for help. Yeah. It's just
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  Speaker 2: all these like really cool little things. But when he
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  Speaker 2: said ask for help, I was like, wow, I need
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  Speaker 2: to ask for help. It's like whenever I was addicted
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: to drugs and I had to walk in that room
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: for the first time and go, I don't have control. So, um,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I called a company called onsite that does therapy. And, um,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I went and spent two weeks with a lady named
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Mary B who wrote the curriculum for food addiction in
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: the world. Like she is a 80 something year old
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: woman with glasses, sweet soul of a woman. And we
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: locked in the cabin and she said, we're going to
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: figure out what this is. And I spent, I'd say
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: maybe two or three weeks in his cabin with this
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: sweet old woman. And it was like, uh, No phone,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: out in the woods. I walked every day. I played
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: with the horses. I mean, I just went late in grass.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: And it really took me all the way back through
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: all my years. And it was the first time that
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I tried to figure out why I was carrying the weight.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: You know, and that's whenever I figured out that overeating
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: for me wasn't a failure of discipline. I'm a pretty
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: disciplined guy. It was just a, A biological thing, I
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: hadn't learned how to interrupt. I'd been doing it my
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: whole life. It had been my constant go-to for stress.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: It was everywhere all the time. I was eating for,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I had to start figuring out what I was actually
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: hungry for. When we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: If you're 340 pounds here, 330 pounds here, depending on
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: your height, of course, you might be dealing with a
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: discipline issue. Maybe you just like extra food. We can
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: make small changes and get that off. You start getting
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: over 300, 320 pounds. you start, that starts being morbid obesity.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Like there starts to be a real thing there, you know?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm seeing it more now because I talked to tens,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: twenties of guys that are over 500 pounds that have
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: reached out to me. Like, please, what is this magic Yoda?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm like consistencies
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: to magic. But one, once I realized why I was
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: eating 80, 80 here, here's the note I took from therapy.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I had, I took, had my wife translate all my
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: notes from, uh, when I was out there and it
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: goes change, uh, First of all, you change the way
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you think and talk. But because 80 to 90 percent
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of compulsive eating happens between the ears, not the teeth.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: So the average obese person is that big. And I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: learned this from her is that they're only eating 20
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: percent of what they're thinking about eating. This is an
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: all day loop that's in your head. It's like a
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: drug addiction. You know, I used to walk in. Me
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: and Schultz laughed about this. I used to walk in
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: rooms and scan like I would walk in a room
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like the Predator. Like, I would do one thing like
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the Terminator and be able to look you in the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: eye and be like, there's a bowl of Snickers on
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that counter. There's two M & Ms over here. They
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: have some Lay's potato chips over there. Like, I knew
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: my way.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It was mostly sugar?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: All sugar. Me and you were talking about, dude, sugar. Well,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: processed food.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You know how they said, so Gary was like, get
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: on a keto diet or a whole food diet at first.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think I eat whole
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: foods now at all anyway. So I think I just
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: eat processed foods with maybe protein in it. You know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. Dude, I haven't ate a piece
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: of bread except for Thanksgiving in two years. Joe, I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: was colorblind. We talked about this.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a crazy story.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: This is a true story, Joe. My wife will tell you.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: She laughs about it now, but I couldn't see. I
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: seen shades of colors, like general concepts, but like hunter green,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: emerald green, like what green's green to me. I never
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: realized there was nuances and prettiness and that some were
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: brighter and toned different. I just seen them like shades.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So bad that, like, that's why I wore black. Johnny
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Cash was a lot of it. But, too, you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I'd always have to ask people, does my shoes match?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I was always off. Dude, I'd say nine
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: months into No Sugar, I started, I think, I forgot
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: what it was, but it was a plant at our house.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And I come outside and I grab my wife and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I go, dude, how long have we had that pretty
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: purple tulip there? Or whatever it was. And she goes, what?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, that is the prettiest purple plant I've
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: ever seen. She was like, you've walked by that plant
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: for two years. What are you talking about? I was like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: there's no way we've had a plant that pretty. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: didn't notice it for two years. It was bright purple, Joe.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was screaming, holy robe purple. And slowly
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I started looking around the next few days and over
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the next months, I was like, I'm seeing clear color.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I couldn't quit talking about it. I bought coloring books.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: My wife was laughing. This bitch used to have to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: give me a tie to match to go to court.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And I'm in there coloring.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? She's like, what are you doing?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, you want to color? And I've got
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: like 300 coloring pencils set. I was in a deer
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: blind with Cam Hain talking his face off about a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: bird yesterday. He goes, I didn't know you like birds
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like that. I was just, I like color. He was like, really?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I didn't see color for like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: 20 years. I was like, it is. That is so.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It had to have been the sugar.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Must have been. It must have been just rampant inflammation
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: through your whole body. Massive lack of nutrients. And your
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: body probably was like, fuck colors. Let's just keep this
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: dude alive.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Fuck colors.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Just keep him alive.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never planned on living, Joe. Like ever. Like it
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: was never in my plan, like of life. Even as
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I was getting successful, I was like coming out here
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and like life was getting good for me. And in
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: my mind, I was like, okay, When I die, at
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: least my kids might be okay and they won't be
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: ashamed of me.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: That's how I was thinking, Joe. I was literally thinking
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: that way. In my mind, I was just pushing like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: if I could just get this machine down a little bit,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: my kids won't be ashamed of me. They won't have
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to be the dad. At least their daddy died of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: obesity because he had mental health issues, but he was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a cool fucking dude, man, that did some cool stuff,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you know? And it was like, I never would have
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: thought I could have this kind of life. I never
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: thought I could. Even when I sat here and talked
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to you before, in my mind, I was thinking, man,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'll probably never see Joe again. You know, it'll probably
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: go any day for me. You know what I mean? Like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: my heart could quit at any day. I could relapse
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and overdose. I'm not thinking right most of the time.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You know? To, like, sit here and look at you now, like, dog,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a 70-year-old man with you, bubba.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, dog, you know what
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, it's going to be cool. You was
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: talking about my, you mind if I run through these
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: for a second?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, please.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Well, let me preface this. So, because I want to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: talk about the labs you were talking about, my inflammation,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: but I got with Gary Brecken. I did a blood
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: test and this is something else I encourage big people
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to do. And your basic provider will pay for it
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: more often than not. If you have just like a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: standard insurance, just tell them you want to run a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: just standard blood lab, but tell them instead of just
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: your A1C, this is important. You want to see your
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: insulin level because I was diabetic, but I wasn't insulin resistant.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: So my diabetic marker, when I first got checked was
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a six point, my A1C was a 6.4. Okay. Which
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: is the threshold for, Of what being a diabetic is.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The pre-diabetic. The last point of being a pre-diabetic is 6.4.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And I thought that when you are, when your blood
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: work says you're a pre-diabetic for 15 years, it's whatever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, this is not going
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to kill me or nothing. I've had, yeah, it's what
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it said last time. I'm fine. And then finally they
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: checked for my insulin. It was over 40, Joe. It
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: was like insane. And I don't want to get this wrong.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: What's it supposed to be?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It's like under five.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So what happens is when your body goes to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: burn when you fast, it has to burn through all
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: your insulin before it'll start burning through your reserved fat.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So when you're at that high of an insulin level
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: in your blood, you're having a fast. So you're hardly
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: ever getting to the resorted fat burn. It's because it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: just constant insulin. Right. And this is where GL1Ps come in.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: This would be a great time to talk about this.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So Gary goes, hey, man, your insulin's high. We'll just
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: give you a shot, and this will change all this.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And I was like, cool, send it. Whatever, I'll try it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And then my wife's manager, Mimi, started the shot. Did
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wonders for her. But she had the worst stomach issues.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I have a bad stomach. I started calling people and going, hey, man,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: how's this shot working? I was like, dude, we're losing weight.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Food noise is gone. You got to try it. I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was like, what's the side effect? There's like one bad
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: side effect. It tears your gut up. So I had
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: bad reflux. I mean, you know, that's the worst thing
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a singer can have. Nothing is worse for us than reflux.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So I got scared of it. So I called Gary
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and I was like, Gary, I can't do it. I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: afraid of it. So then I started doing research and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, if I'm not going to do this,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to fast to get my insulin
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: levels down a lot. So I was fasting and I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was losing like next to no weight and I was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: doing the right thing. And as a big dude, that's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the most encouraging thing. Discouraging thing is when you're actually
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: not lying to people. Cause you know, as a fat person, I'm,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I'm programmed to lie like a drug addict. Like what'd
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you eat today? Oh, grilled chicken and salads. And I
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: just ate seven Snickers, you know? So it was like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Or I'd brush it off like a big thing. My
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: nutritionist would come in and be like, did you eat
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: something last night after I left? I'd be like, yeah, yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I just ate a little bit. Not bad, just a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: little bit. A little bit bad. But I wouldn't quantify
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: what a little bit bad was. So I wanted to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: start being way, way more honest about everything in the process.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And that was probably the biggest thing. So I would
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: not lose the weight. And I'm like, I promise you, Ian,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't eat nothing but what you handed me. He's like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: just stick with it. And I just stayed with it,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: stayed with it. And then, uh, Gary got turned into
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Gary Brecka and took over the world. And I was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: lucky for me. I bumped into your friend, a guy
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: named Brigham down here in Texas. And he introduced me.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: You've met Denise, right?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Sure. I love her.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: This lady's the lady who really, Gary started this journey
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for me and I'll never be able to thank him
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: enough for it, but she brought it home and Gary
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: probably would have, but she, she had a brick and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: mortar and was just easier to get to. Gary travels
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the world. And, um, I go to her and she goes,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: she runs my blood again. And my insulin got down
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to like 37 by fasting. And she goes, you're against
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the GO1Ps, aren't you? I was like, well, I made
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it this far and I don't want to do it
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: with an asterisk now. Now it's just stubbornness. At first
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it started out of a fear. Now I'm just fucking stubborn,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you know? And this is where I don't want to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: hide anything that I did do because I think it'll
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: help people. She said, there's an alternative. She said, if
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you took a fourth of a dose of metformin, which 2,000
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: milligrams is what they would prescribe a diabetic one. Let's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: say we give you 500 milligrams, which is a real
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: low dose, once a day, until we just see this
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: marker go down. She said it might take a year
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: because we're not trying to rush it and throw a
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: bunch of GL1s at it. We're like, we're going to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: do this really slow. And that's what we did. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the first month I listened to her and I was losing,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I think I looked at Leanne's notes today.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: We were losing like, you know, four to six pounds
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a month. Then it got up to that 12 and 13,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that number we were looking for. You know what I mean?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Of what we expect from a guy my size. But
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it was just that easy. Now my insulin, so I
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: said all that to give you this. Oh, I'm so
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: excited about this, Joe. My insulin was over 40. My
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: insulin two weeks ago at Ways to Well with Dr.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Denise was 4.6. My A1C was crazy, right? And that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: was just, we've only been on the metformin for a
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: year in November. So I think we're going to come
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: off of it now. A1C was 6.4. It's now 5.4,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: which that marker is a three-month average of your blood sugar, like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: That's a real number to move that much. I know
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like a big number in a year,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: but that's like crazy. My C-reactive was like in the sixes,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and it's 1.2 now. That's an inflammation marker. Vitamin D,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: while I was getting sick all the time, was a 28.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Vitamin D is at 100. This was the big one too,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and this is where they say, are you natty? I say, no, sir.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I'm a 40-year-old male. There's no way I
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: was going to be natty. My testosterone was one of
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a pre-juvenile child when you're that big. It was in the,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: like the fifties.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Jeez.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, it should be in like the seven fifties.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: My free test was 2.3 Joe Rogan. Oh my God.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: My free test. You know what it is today? 149.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I fucking, you remember that problem we talked about with
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: my wife?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Not anymore. I'm walking around the house like a tiger.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing over my shoulder like a caveman and throwing
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: her on the bed every time I see her. You
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? It is awesome. And it changed.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: These were, and I encourage people to like, if you
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: can get your blood checked, there might be something there.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It might not be something big.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I still could have lost the weight without
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the metformin, but it might've took another year. You know
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: what I mean? If I would've just had to keep
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: nicking it down a pound a week, cause I was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just having to get that insulin down so slowly. And, uh,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That helped a ton. And the test, of course, helped
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: bring because my estrogen was so high. My test was
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: so low. Finally got the estrogen down in the test up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So the fat starts burning. I'd done the mental work.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'd started really figuring out like why I was eating
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the way I was eating. Because once I recognized a pattern,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: my three R's changed it for me. It was reset, reconnect, reengage.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So every time I would go into my pantry to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: eat something because I'm a binge eater, I'd stop. My
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: therapist taught me this, that onsite. I'd stop and I'd reset.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So I'd step out. First thing, get out of the pantry.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I have no business in here. Bad place for me.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Go somewhere I'm safe where I can connect. Near my
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: wife or somewhere safe. Reconnect. What was you in a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: pantry for? What version of you, what storyline of yours
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: walked in that pantry? Was it 15-year-old Jelly that thought
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: he was a gangbanger and thought he was a thug
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that was just trying to be cool that was actually
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a sad little boy that couldn't connect with people? Is
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that the boy that just walked in there and tried
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: to eat some cookies? Or is this a 35-year-old man,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a 39-year-old man that's stressed from work? I tell you
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: what you're not in there eating the cookies for is
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: because you need them. You just ate a great meal.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You feel fucking awesome. You know what I'm saying? Like
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there's nothing about that cookie that's good for you. And also, Jason,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you are not a one-cookie kind of guy. You know
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? You are going to go eat the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: bag of cookies. And then I reconnect. Then I reengage.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes you go through all that and you go,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know what, though? I was thinking in there, but
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I do need to go grab the salt. Just go
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: in there and grab the salt and get out. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: where I'm so programmed, it's back to old storylines. I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: walk into some, I've been going into the pantry to
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: eat bad for so many years. I walk in there
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and forget what I'm in there for. I have to,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: because if I sit there long enough, then it's like, oh,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: there's a.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: There's some stuff that you can eat that does nothing.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Like you, if you just want to munch on something, man,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: get some celery and some radishes. Those motherfuckers have like
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: zero calories.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Raspberries and blueberries were a big one for me. They
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: don't have zero calories.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: They have calories.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But you could eat like a bucket of them before
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you get into the hundreds of calories.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: If you want to have some like raspberries with some
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: salt on them, or not some raspberries, rather some radishes
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: with some salt on them and some celery, there's nothing
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in that. You just eat it and you don't have
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to worry at all. You're just getting some fiber and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: some nutrients.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Pickles?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Pickles are great.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Pickles are another one I'd get on too.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And also, if you get good fermented pickles, they're actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: good for your gut.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did all the cheats early. So like, when
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I say cheats, like, I was hungry, so I'd go
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to my nutritionist and go, hey, man, just feed me
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: whatever looks like the most food. You know, fluff it up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, just I want a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: big serving of food because it's my thing. And the
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: cool thing is now I'm in a place where I'm
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: looking for density. Like, my relationships change that much with food.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Now I'm looking like, yo, what is, like, do I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: have to eat this? Is there enough protein in this?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Or can I only eat half of it? And not
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: because I have the weird relationship with food other ways.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just really feeding myself for what I need. Right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like I'm actually have a
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: healthy relationship with food now, Joe. Like I look at,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and it's not unhealthy in a way that was like,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: if you cooked a big steak right now, like you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: want one? I'd be like, yeah, absolutely. I don't want
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to miss a elk steak with Joe. I'm down. I'm
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: not weird. If we went to dinner, I'd eat. You
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I just wouldn't eat bread. Right.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: There's just certain things I haven't, it's like a drug
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: addict thing for me. It's like, there's just certain things
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I just can't do no matter what.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The bread is the one. The bread and pasta
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: are the one. Why does it have to be the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ones that are so goddamn delicious?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: All the good stuff, dude.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So delicious.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: But I learned how to make all the good stuff better,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: by the way. Like, not better, but Larios is really,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: so a lot of my weight loss has come from, like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I used to always hear you say that you got
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: into podcasting and talking to people about stuff you were
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: just interested in, like conversations you just thought were cool.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And then I thought about that's like the approach to life.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like, get like, dig it,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: do it, you know, draw inspiration from there.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: So I was watching.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Dig it, do it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: If you dig it, do it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You know, dig it, do it. And I was watching
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: UFC one night, which I'm a fan too. And I was,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: this was six years ago. And, uh, I was like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder who's helping these guys get on the scale.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I was like, most of
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: these fighters are poor, not in a bad way. You know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: they're coming up. I bet I could pay equal pay.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: This was six years ago. I was like, I wonder
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: who it is. And I got introduced to George Lockhart. Okay.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Which famously, him and Mike Dochi,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I think, are kind of both famously known for the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: guys who created the weight cutting protocol of today.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And I call him. He's in Georgia for the holidays.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: He drives up to Tennessee to see me. We end
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: up hanging out. George and me are buddies to this day. And,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you know, George is like, let me find you a guy.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And that's how he found me Ian Larios, who just
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: came in to do nutritionist. He did a bunch of
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: bully bees camps, but he's been with me. People say,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I had somebody tell me this, Joe. They said, well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: of course you lost the weight. It's easy. You got money.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I was like, buddy, Money
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: can't make you run these six miles.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: No, everybody who says that is just making an excuse
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: for why they haven't done it themselves. You can never say,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of course you did it. You have this. Just fucking
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Just go do it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Just do it. And yeah, it's going to be hard.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And especially if your hormones are all fucked up and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: your insulin levels all fucked up, it's going to be hard,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: but you can do it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, the biggest thing too is stick with it, Joe. Yes.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: That's my heart, y'all. It's like, that's why I said,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: give yourself one year, not three months. Because if I
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: gave myself three months, I'd have been upset. I didn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: lose enough weight. It didn't go the way it's supposed
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to go. I went back into my shame spiral. We
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: were talking about this. My whole thing was stress, overwhelm, food, shame, repeat.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I did. I lived in that spiral. You
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And it's like, oh, I've been
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: working hard. I'm not getting it. Sad me. I'm going
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to go to the pantry and punish myself. You know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to lose this weight. Where it's like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if I'd have just waited for the year and really said, no, man,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go birthday to birthday. Which is why
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: when me and Cam ran on this birthday of mine,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it was so important to me because I was like
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: two birthdays ago was the first day I even thought
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: about changing my life. You know? And even last birthday,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I was 400, you know, 380 pounds. And now this birthday,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm running a 5K with Cam Haynes. You know what
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, dude, y'all can change it. If you
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: hated your birthday this year, just give yourself a year.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You can have a whole
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: different birthday.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It's hard for people because they want immediate gratification. You know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they really want it all to happen immediately, especially in
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the society that we exist in today where everything, I mean,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: this is why GLP-1s are so enticing for people because
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you can get immediate gratification, you know. And sometimes you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: got to just, you got to focus on little victories,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: these little tiny victories. Today I didn't eat cake. That's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a little victory, you know. And momentum is everything. It's
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like that first day when your family was cheering you.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. It's all about you did it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You went out in the rain when you didn't want to.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You did it. You came back. Now you've got momentum.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You have that good feeling of success, and that will
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: enable you to continue to chase that good feeling. That's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the good addiction. I'm clearly addicted to exercise. If I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: take a couple days off, I don't feel right. If
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I take a day off, I feel weird. I feel squirrely.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Like I got all this extra fucking weird shit. Leave
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: me alone. You know what I mean? I get weird.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I get weird, man. I get weird. I feel weird
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: if I don't do it. And I know people are like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that's horrible. There's something wrong with you. Sure. But it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: a good thing wrong with me. I'm addicted to a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: good thing. I'm addicted to staying healthy.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: They say addiction swap.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've never had a bad addiction, fortunately.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: But I've had a bunch of addictions. I've had video
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: game addictions. I'm addicted to playing pool. I was addicted
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to martial arts. But I've been addicted to things that
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: are beneficial, luckily. Luckily. But I'm scared of all the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: other ones. I know it's the same thing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: How much of that do you think has played a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: part in your environment and friend group?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's huge. Huge. Because if you can get around a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: bunch of other people that are addicted to good things,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: then you're all just doing good things. And you're all
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: feeding off of each other. Yeah. It's everything, man. You
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: imitate your atmosphere always. This is why I can't be
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: around negative people. I'm too sensitive. And I'm around negative people. First,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I try to help them. Then I try to coach them.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Then I try to see the world through their eyes.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And then I'm reacting to them. And then I'm like, fuck, man.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: You're not helping me. I'm not helping you. You're just
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: dragging me into your vibration. And I don't like it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And if you don't want to change, there's not much
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I can do with this. And so I got to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: just ghost you. I got to separate. Because if you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: save a drowning man, sometimes you can drown yourself. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there that have wasted
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: years and years of their life in toxic friendships. With
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: negative people.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Guilty. That's what made me bring it up.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It's easy to do, man.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: It's not a....
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: A mark on your character. It's a normal thing that
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: people do. And when you're around a bunch of people
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that are positive and that are inspirational, then all of
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a sudden you start holding yourself accountable. You're like, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: what would David Goggins do? You know, what would Cam
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Haines do?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: What would Jocko do? And then that, that's a good thing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: What would Rogan do?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I know you don't like it when we give you compliments,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: but we think about it. Um, I said that cause like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I wondered if that was for you. Cause I, the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: biggest thing to my note here is new playground, new playmates.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You can't heal in the environment that hurts you.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You know? And it's like, I started praying for new
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: friends five years ago, like on my knees to God directly,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: like God, I've done everything I can for every friend
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I brought with me along the way. Everybody who came
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: with me can't go with me. Everybody's not growing at
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the rate I'm growing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I need new friends. I'm hanging around, you know, um,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: when I was cheating on my wife, I was hanging
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: around people that were cheating on their wives. When I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons of cocaine,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I was hanging around people that were doing tons of
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: alcohol and tons of cocaine. So I'm like, I want
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to change. Send me some friends. Just send me some
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: new interests. And then I'd start bumping into, I guess, six, seven,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: whatever it was years ago, guys like Cam Haines, guys
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like Goggins. And I didn't realize it then when they
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: came into my universe. It was just from a distance
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: in a YouTube channel. Like, oh, this dude's fucking nuts.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Who's this guy screaming at the camera running all these miles? Yo,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: who is this guy that won't quit his job? that
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: is like the greatest bow hunter ever and runs ultra
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: marathons and like is refusing to quit his job. The
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: internet's like campaigning, quit your job, Cam. You know what
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? I was like, who are these guys? These
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: guys are awesome, you know? And even then my, then
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that's where the little scared kid in me comes out like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: oh man, but you'll, you know, you can't do that, dude.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You know how far you are away from even like
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: being able to talk to a guy like that or
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: being able to run or like, you're just too far.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You know, even down to bow hunting, I'm a felon.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm not allowed to possess a firearm or be
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: within a thousand feet of one knowingly. So I've never
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: been able to hunt, you know? Well, I didn't think
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: about the loophole. Y'all know it. The bow. I can
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: bow hunt.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You know, but also then you're 500 pounds. I was like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: am I really going to bow hunt? You know what
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I mean? Right. But it was new playgrounds, new playmates.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I started really believing
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: that and like just finding that. My uncle always said,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: if you hang around nine, you'll be the 10th. So
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: just look at the nine closest to you. And even
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't a friends at first, it was just
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: me being inspired by different stuff. Back to digging it,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: do it. You know what I mean? Like dig it,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: do it. And I got into this, I was into,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I signed up for the Two Bears 5K because Bert
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: was my friend and I thought their podcast was funny.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I never even met Tom. You know what I mean?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is a cool way to do it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I'm on the internet, 500 pounds waddling down a back
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: road going, I'm going to my first 5K in May, everybody.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? It's like, and I'm like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. And I call Cam because we're friends by then.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm all excited, 470, walking my first two miles,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a mile that day or whatever it was. I ran
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a whole, walked a whole mile, called Cam. I'm doing
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a 5K, Cam, Cam, I'm going to come support you.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And Cam and Phillip Franklin Lee walked that 5K with me.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It took us an hour and a half, Joe. I mean, listen,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised Cam could have rolled faster. He could have crawled.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? We watched both of his kids.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: run by us three times in jeans you know what
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: i'm saying and uh but that's like it goes back
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to changing your friends like yeah it was a guy
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that wanted to lift me up a guy that cam
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: cam used to tap me on the shoulder when i
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: was 500 pounds and go dude we're gonna bow hunt
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: one day i'm gonna take you bow hunt And I
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: would remember thinking, this motherfucker's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: there's no way me and this dude are ever bow hunting,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you know? And we're bow hunting. You know, I just
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: came out of a blind this morning. I've been down
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: there bow hunting with Cam, ran my first 10K with
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: him yesterday. But it was completely the new playground, new
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: playmates thing for me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fuel. If you can get around people that
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: are real positive and they're doing good things and they're
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: excited about life, it's very contagious.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the really positive things about
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the Internet, that you can be introduced to the way
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: these people live their lives. And you can see videos
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: on them. You can hear them talk on podcasts. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you can realize that people like this exist. And then
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: try to find them and try to find people like
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that and try to become like them. You can. You
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can assume those positive attributes and you can incorporate them
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: into your life. It's completely possible.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It's real. I mean, I did it. Somebody is listening
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: to this right now. And as crazy as this is
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: going to sound, I was you eight years ago. I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast. It was the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: beginning of me starting to be like, what I put
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in my body comes out. What I eat, I shit.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: What I drink, I piss. What I hear, I believe. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And then I realized I was listening to a bunch
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of true crime, a bunch of negative stuff on my
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: phone all the time. I was watching fistfights at bars
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: like this was my algorithm. You know what I'm saying?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? My algorithm was just completely fucked.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, I need to start changing my,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I need to find cooler stuff to put into my algorithm. Things,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: more knowledge, learning stuff.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Tell me, what have you done with the phone thing?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So the phone thing is interesting.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: It's been real interesting. I got one now. I got
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: one two months ago. I took a year. So part
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: of the weight loss, I took a year off of
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: a phone completely. Well, you know, I used to get drunk,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: give my number to everybody in the bar. So I
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: would wake up after an award show and have like
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: 3000 unread text messages of people's like, congratulations. And I
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: was just like, Oh God, I was missing like big messages,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: That's a problem with me.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I got, I got that problem.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I could imagine where you look back and you're
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: like the president text me, not me, but I bet
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that's happened to you where you're like, I missed an
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: entire text from somebody of that stature, you know? And
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you're like, dude, this is crazy. And I was like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I don't, I think that I was using it as
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: another way not to connect. I have an avoidant personality.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Like I'll isolate or I can do it just right
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: in a room full of people if I hop on
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the phone. And I was just like, man, I want
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to be more present. You know, I remember sitting doing
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: stuff with my son and daughter and I was like
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: scrolling Instagram. Once again, watching bar fights, you know, nothing,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: nothing that was helping. You know what I mean? I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm just, I'm just like completely disconnected.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: It's another addiction.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: It's another. Yeah. And with my personality, I got to
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: watch those. So I got a phone two months ago
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't put social media on. I have
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: YouTube because that's my app. And I trust, you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: YouTube is where I get good stuff. It doesn't give
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: me 60 second burst of shit I don't need. It
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: gives me long form of good stuff. You know what
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean? I find channels that I like really dig.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And it's like back to new playground, new playmates. I never,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I know I'm super late to the party. Never heard
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of the Outdoor Boys until last year. Okay.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I've been missing a whole new thing a You know
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: He's back, right? He's doing it again.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: He's back-ish, yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: He took some time off, right? I think he felt
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: like- Got overwhelming. Yeah. The success of his channel got
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: too crazy and- Too fast. He didn't enjoy the pressure.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: But you know what I think he was doing? You
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: want to speculate a little bit together about this? I
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: think he was doing the coolest dad thing ever. Because
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: he goes on there and goes, look, this has been
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a little overwhelming for me and my family. Me and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: my wife are out of this. And frankly, I got
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: two boys that want to be YouTubers themselves. So I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: think I'm just going to help them. And I follow
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: his son's channel. His son's got 3,000 subscribers. He camps
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: by himself like his dad did. He's 12 years old
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: doing solo camping trips. Dude, his name's Outdoor Tom. So
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: it's like, and he's been posting and his dad's on
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: his channel. So I think the dad just built his channel,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: got big and was like, dude, I think I'm just
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going to leave this legacy for the boys, man. I'll
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: just help them out. But he's kind of been poking
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: his nose back around here and there. And he helped
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: his friend out that had cancer. I thought that was
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the coolest thing. What was the name of that channel, Jamie?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want to blow this. They deserve a shout
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: out because that was really cool.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: My Life Outdoors. Yeah, My Life Outdoors. So that was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a recent video that they made. Yeah, he's a very
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: interesting guy. I wish he'd come talk to you. If
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: he was interested, I'd definitely have him on. I watch
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of those shows. That's part of my YouTube
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: algorithm is dudes who go out into the woods by themselves.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: This is my new algorithm. See, this is me trying
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to change my playground because this is all about getting
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: into shape, Joe. Like now I don't look at that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: as an unachievable task. I look at that like next winter,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: me and Cam are going to go hunt somewhere that
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to take a fucking tent. You know what
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? We're going to go out there and get
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: lost in the woods.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Camp on your back. I think we can do it, dude.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be in shape enough to
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: You know, you're probably in shape enough to do it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I'm only going to get better.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean, I watched you on the treadmill today, man.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You're in shape to do it right now. Yeah. You
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: could do it. It's a, that's a beautiful thing, man.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's a really beautiful thing. And just to be out
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: in the woods like that is, it's a, I think
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it's like a form of vitamin that people haven't recognized yet.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It's medicine.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something to it. I mean, that sounds hokey
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and new agey, but I'm telling you, man, if I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: don't get my time in in the woods at least
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a couple times a year, and I really want to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: do it way more often. I just can't. I'm just
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: too busy. But it empties all the bullshit out of
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: my life. The mountains don't give a fuck what's going
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: on in your life or how many likes your last
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: fucking social media post got or who's upset at you.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: They don't care. You know? The mountains are the mountains.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Those animals don't give a fuck if you just won
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the Grammy. You know? They don't give a shit. Oh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Jelly Roll's here. Let me offer him my vitals. No, sir.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Not the case at all.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: There's no charisma out there. There's no cult of personality.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: There's no... It's all... It's just.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And it's beautiful.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: You always been outdoorsman?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: No. I used to fish when I was a kid.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I used to really love fishing. And, you know, then
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I got away from all of it for a long
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: time until Rinella took me hunting. And that's when I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: got that mule deer, that one that's sitting on the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: table right there. That was the first animal I ever shot.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: A bow or rifle?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Rifle. That was a rifle. And then Cam took me
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: on my first hunt with a bow. I got a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: black bear.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: That was your first hunt as a bear? Yeah. Yeah. God,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get him to take me one of
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: those in May.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And I want to do elk next year.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Bear is a good one because, first of all, it's scary,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you know, which I think is good. And there's something
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: about eating a bear that's just wild.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: They're kind of fatty, right?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It feels crazy. Yeah, well, not that bad. I mean,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: they definitely have a lot of fat on them. They
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: taste good. That's a big misconception. I mean, I've never
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: eaten a grizzly bear, which I've heard are pretty rough.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But my friend Ryan Callahan just shot a grizzly bear
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and he says it's delicious. I think the thing about
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a bear that's a little daunting for a lot of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: people is trichinosis. And you have to cook a bear
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: like 100 and I think the number is 160. I
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: think that's what it is where you got to make
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: sure that that meat is 160 degrees. So you don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: get any parasites because trichinosis is rough.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: God, I can't believe you're first. a bow hunt was
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a bear. I'm on my first bow hunt as we speak.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And it's for a deer. And I could, I definitely,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I needed to do this if I'm going to see
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: a bear. I am out there, I mean, stomach and,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: heart and stomach, stomach and pants. Well, I think Cam.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Took me bear hunting because in Alberta, the way they
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: do it, it's, they do it over bait. So they,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they set out oats and they use beaver carcasses and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: all these different things. So the animals, and people are like, oh,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that's cheating. Listen, there is no other way to find
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: these animals in Alberta. You're talking about dense forest. Dense
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: forest that looks like a box of Q-tips. Like you
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: can't see shit out there. You're not going to find
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: them before they see you coming or hear you coming
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: or smell you coming. If you want to hunt them,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: you have to use bait or you have to use dogs. And,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you know, that's how they used to hunt them in
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of places. They used to, you know, tree
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: them with dogs and then people would shoot them. And
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: people are like, well, that's horrible too. You have to
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: control their populations. If you understand wildlife biology and wildlife management,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: you must control the populations of predators. And then, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like John and Jen up in Alberta, where they took me,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: they know how to cook bear, like really good. Jen
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: is an excellent cook, and she'll cook a bear roast,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and she rubs it down and puts it in a Traeger,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and they'll slow cook it for 12 hours. Oh, they're
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: smoking the bear?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Was it the bear you killed? You get to eat
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that one?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: We definitely ate some of that too. And there's another
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: thing that Rinella taught me called bear candy, which was great.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, basically like, it's like Chinese food. It's like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: sweet and sour bear.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It was really good. Yeah. And then Cam brought over
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: some bear sticks. He gets some meat sticks made at
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: this one butcher that he goes to, this one meat
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: processing place. But you, bear is, the misconception is that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: bear tastes bad. It does not taste bad. It tastes
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like beef. It tastes like a weird, beefy kind of animal.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: You know, here's a weird fun fact. when settlers or
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the pioneers first were making their way across north america
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they didn't eat deer they were eating bear and they
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: were using deer for skins so a deer skin was
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: worth one dollar and that's where the term buck.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Come from no fucking way.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yes the term a buck comes from the price of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a deer skin.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: No, and they were just throwing the meat away.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Wow. How long ago was this?
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: The 1700s, 1800s. They didn't know any better. Not only that,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you know all those buffalo that people shot? Buffalo is
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: very expensive meat. It's delicious.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's superior to beef. They didn't eat the beef.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: They didn't eat the buffalo. They were eating their tongues.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: They were killing them initially for their tongues, and then
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: they would pickle the tongues and send them to New York.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And people in New York were eating pickled buffalo tongues. Wow.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: They were throwing away thousands of pounds of buffalo. Good
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: buffalo meat.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh my God. Thousands of pounds. And then they
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: started using their skins. So buffalo hides became valuable. But
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it wasn't the meat that they were after. Which is
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: crazy because they basically almost made them extinct.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: They came like within a hair's breadth of making bison
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: extinct in North America.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Just by giving away tongues.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Well also because they. they opened it up to the market.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So market hunting was a giant problem with wildlife in
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: North America. So what that means is they didn't have
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: refrigeration back then, right? So you needed a constant supply
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: of meat. And, you know, you could salt things down
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and transport them that way. And there's a bunch of
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: different ways to avoid the breakdown of bacteria. But essentially,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you couldn't, there was no fucking freezers, you know? And
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so market hunting almost wiped out all the whitetail It
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: removed elk from most states. You know, the states that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: have elk, wild elk right now, are a tiny handful
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of the states that used to have elk in like
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the 1600s, the 1700s. It's all the settlers came from,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you know, wherever, and they shot them all. Wow. And
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: they shot them all and brought them all to market.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: You know, that was a lot of it. And so
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: then they made market hunting illegal. And then, you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: they designated areas public land. And, you know, this is
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the Teddy Roosevelt thing. And what they did was really
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: an amazing, what they did, an amazing example of conservation
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in North America that really doesn't exist anywhere else is
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: our wildlife management and also our natural resources, public land management.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: So we have public land in North America where you can,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: You could apply for a tag. You could get it
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like we did with that mule deer. We shot that
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: mule deer in Montana. We got a tag and went
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: out into the Missouri breaks. And then we found that
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: animal and shot it and ate it. And anybody could
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: do that. It's part of you being an American if
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you fill out the right paperwork and pay for the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: tags and all that pays for the management of this
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: land and for wildlife biologists and park rangers and all
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: those kind of different people that game wardens that, that help,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: you know, keep all this stuff managed.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Wow. See, I didn't even know you could hunt public
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: lands until recently whenever Cam and them were fighting back
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: about the bill that was trying to get rid of
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: some of it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, they were trying to sell off some public
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: land into fucking dangerous, slippery slope. And you can't let
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that happen ever.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like freedom of speech, man. Any infraction
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: of freedom of speech is, a complete infraction.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's deteriorating really badly right now in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the UK.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I'm loving the outdoors though. I'm loving learning about it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Like even hearing you talk, I'm just over here like.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's an amazing thing.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I just got my first hunting license yesterday.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Day before yesterday. So it's
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a big deal for me.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I'm having, you want to hear my first big amateur
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: mistake I made? Sure. This is a good one. I
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: told you one of them, but I'll tell you why
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't take it. It's way better. I'll save this
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: one for the air. Um, We're in there the first
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: night and it's like kind of it's not nippy, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: it's like when the sun went down, it was cool.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: But it was still, you know, I was so adrenaline
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: up the first night. A doe comes out, Joe, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to shit myself. I mean,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I had to stand up. I farted. My stomach was bad.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: It was just so— it was every emotion I didn't think
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I was going to feel. And I'm doing it with, like,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the greatest bow hunter ever sitting behind me. And lucky
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: for us, Cam's a sweet dude, so he's just entertained
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: by it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: He really loves helping people get into bow.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Hunting, too. You know, that speaks again to who he is. Like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to be who you are in that— that' d be like me—
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: going and meeting first time songwriters. Like I've never wrote
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a song and me being like, that's my favorite. Let
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: me sit down and show you how to start. You
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Which I don't necessarily feel that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: way to be honest. So it's like for him to care,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: but I'm sitting there and the next morning we go
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: and it's fucking cold and I'm shaking anyways. Cause I,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm nervous and I'm shaking cause it's cold.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: So when we go back that night, I bring my
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: hoodie in case it gets cold, but I don't put
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: it on. And we're sitting there, and as soon as
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the sun goes down a little bit, it gets cold
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: in that blind bubble.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there like.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Well, you're also not moving. Not moving at all. If
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you were walking around in the cold, that's a different thing.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: No, we're just sitting, and I'm like.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, cold, cold. And I don't even think
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: about it. Now, keep in mind, there's two does in
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: front of us, and there's a buck maybe 80 yards away.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Cam said this, and it's the most gangster thing. Bow
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: hunting starts where rifle hunting ends. bow hunting begins where
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: rifle hunting ends yeah the moment you see a buck
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: when you're rifle hunting for those listeners that don't know
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you just shoot it it's that easy you see the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: buck you better shoot it right then as soon as
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: you get a clean shot the moment you see the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: buck when you're bow hunting that's operation chill get them
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: as close as you can get them and find the
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: right shot it's the total opposite of rifle hunting which
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: i haven't rifle hunted since i was 10 anyways but
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: um So I'm sitting there and it's cold and I
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: see the buck in the back and I'm like, you
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something?
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to own a firearm or you're allowed
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: to operate one?
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: No, sir.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: No, so you can't rifle hunt at all. No, sir.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I'm on my first hunt pretty much.
• 55:29
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• 55:31
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• 55:39
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is interesting. Um, I am slippery slope for me.
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• 57:15
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• 57:19
  Speaker 2: with the charters aren't completely gone. So what I'd have
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  Speaker 2: to do is, and this is my hope is that
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: my goal in this is that I want to reach
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: out to legislation eventually and go, Hey, like if nothing else,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I'd like my run, my, my right to hunt. Like
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it's done a lot for my mental health. It's done
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: a lot for my, my physical health. Like it's been
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: a being able to start going on that first boat.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: These are little markers that I put on the calendar.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: you know, when I'm 400 something pounds and I'm like,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: all right, next year, Cam said, he's taking me on
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: my bow hunt. I got to get there. You know
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, all right, next year, I'm not
• 57:51
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it in 45 minutes. You know
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, these are those markers. So I
• 57:57
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• 57:59
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• 58:02
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• 58:05
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• 58:08
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• 58:10
  Speaker 2: for 20 years, but like, I think it's important for
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: people to have a path to redemption. I'm a redemption guy.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: You know, if God didn't just show me so many paths,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's one of the more beautiful aspects
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: of Christianity that it does offer you a path to redemption,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: like a true legitimate path where you can become a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: different person.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Literally. And people not judge you on the old person anymore.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I get it for the public safety aspect of it.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: It's hard to know if a person's redeemed themselves. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: get that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And if you make the wrong decision, man, I couldn't
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: bear the burden of your conscience of that neither. Right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: But then you do have cases. And I know I'm
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: not the only one of people who have, like, even
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: little things. Like, I mean, outside of hunting, Joe, it's
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: not that I'm a big, you know, I don't have
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: a– I just wish I could protect myself.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like I'm a million
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: dollars plus a year in security. I'd cut that bill
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: in half tomorrow if I had a right to carry.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I mean?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: But– But at least let me hunt. I mean, my
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: heart's right. I just want to feed the family and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: go out and spend some time with the boys. and
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: do some population control we don't kill them deer in
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: tennessee they're taking over anyways you know what i'm saying
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: you got a lot down there they're every not like
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: these monsters down here but they're everywhere.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah well that place that you're at is a particularly.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Unique place cactus jack giant deer dude it's called hunt
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: cactus jack or it's um I found this out. Do
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: you remember the old vice president from here was called
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Cactus Jack? No. Will you look this up, Jamie? This
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: is a cool story. So the vice president, I think
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: it might have been during Roosevelt's term, maybe even, or
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: one of those. Maybe Teddy. But his vice president was
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: a Texas governor or something. And the guy was famous
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: because he's the one who tried to make the cactus
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: plant the Texas state plant. So they called him Cactus
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Jack because of that. And then Cactus Jack. Yeah, there
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: That's Cactus Jack, dude. Look at him, dude.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: He looks like Cactus Jack.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Nance Garner. Wow. He was a lawyer, a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: longtime congressman.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: He was the one who tried to make the cactus
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the state flower for Texas. Wow. Who was the vice
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: president to Roosevelt? Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: The effort failed in favor of the blue bonnet, but
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Cactus Jack moniker stuck with him throughout his long political career.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: So when he opened this place, how many years ago,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: the guy who bought it from him was super excited.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: He told me the story last.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Look at how.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Gangster that is. That's Cactus Jack, dude.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Cigar with two pistols.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: We could never get away with that right now in politics.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I know, right?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: But Cactus Jack, he's a... But the rant is great.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: The guy who owns it, Mr. Jerry, was telling me
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: the history of it last night. They kept true... Texas
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: deer genetics. A lot of the Texas ranches will have
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: import genetics. And he was like, Cactus Jack was big
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: about making this a tried and true Texas ranch. And
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: he is dead set on dying by keeping it that way,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: this guy Jerry that owns it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, especially South Texas, hunting white-tailed deer is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: like a religion.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: It's a religion.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a big thing for those folks. Big thing.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: and to, to grow big deer down there and to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: make sure that you manage the genetics correctly. Like you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: don't shoot any animal that's under like six or seven
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: years old. And, you know, there's a place that I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: hunt in Utah that does that with elk. It's like they,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a really well managed place does that. They make sure.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So like there's some places where when they have hunting season,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: everybody just goes out into the woods, kids get a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: day off school and they shoot everything they can, which is, Great.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: You get meat. It's great. But the problem is if
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you want very impressive animals that are mature, which is
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: also better for the entire genetics of the herd, because
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: these are the animals that have lived a full life.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: They've spread their genes and then you shoot them at
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the end, at the end of their life. So they've
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: had a long, full. And by the way, when you're
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: getting an animal that's seven, eight, nine years old, They
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: really don't have much time left.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, they were telling me, you're so right
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: about that. They were saying some of them, they'll try
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to wait and let them have another year and they
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: won't make it anyways.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't make it through the winter.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they just won't make it, he said. So they've, yeah, no,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: they're dead. This guy's doing it. I mean, obviously, I'm
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: not the case study. Cam should talk about it because
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I've been on one hunt. the deer I see on
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: my property back home compared to these deer, these deers
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: would eat those deers. You know what I'm saying? Like these,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: these deers would fuck those deers in the butt. You
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? It's like, it just, it's a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: totally different thing.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: It is a different thing, but that's a very exceptional place.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: So I go, I go to put my hoodie on.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: That's where I fuck up, Joe. I'm cold in this
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: fucking blind. And I go, I say, Cam, hold my bow.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: I should have said, Cam, can I put my hoodie on?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Cause Cam would have been like, no, you know what
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? But I was like, all right, And in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: my mind, Joe, I was going to slide one arm
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: through and I was going to wait 30 seconds to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: slide the other arm through because I didn't want to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: be shaken if I got my shot. And I seen
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: my buck across the field.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But I put first arm through and I looked up.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: It was like a movie, Joe. All three deer in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the field went right into my soul and ran away.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: And I looked at Cam. I was like, that was me, huh?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: He was like, They don't like that stuff. I was like, fuck.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: You can't move.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Never came back. No, never came back.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: The sound is like they hear everything like 10 times
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: louder than you do. Look at their ears. Their ears
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: rotate and turn and do this. Those are antenna listening
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: for predators. So they hear the ruffling of clothes. They're like,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: what is that shit?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: They were like, that's a human.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: That's a fucking human. And when they're down there, that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the main predator.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: The main predator is us.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: No, it was amateur hour at the Apollo, dude. At
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: least Cam got a hoot-coot out of it. I learned
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: a big lesson, of course, too, you know.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Bro, they look at you, too. When a whitetail busts you,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: they look at you like, that's a weird look.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: No, it's almost like when I say they looked right
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: up at me, Joe, it was like from feed. to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: eye contact with me. I was like, oh, fuck. You
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? I felt like a deer in headlights.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, shit, he got me.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Well, people put felt on the rest just so that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: when the arrow slides, it's not making any sound. God.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: You got to be real slow in how you draw back.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: But it's something else. It's like rifle hunting, which I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: can't rifle hunt, but we have a bunch of stands
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: on my property, and I'll go sit in them just
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: to watch deer with my little boy. And, you know,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: that thing will be, two football fields away from where
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: the deer are. You'll be sitting up there with a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: heater on, listening to a podcast, smoking a joint, watching
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: a deer like, if I had a gun, I'd kill it.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: So I showed up first day with Cam and I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: got my little weed pen in my pocket. And as
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: soon as we sat down and I seen a buck
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: from here to a little bit past Jamie from me,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, We can't smoke in here
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: or talk. I was like, this is real.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: It's a totally different thing.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: It's a different fear, too. Like you get excited when
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: you see one out of a blind from 100 yards,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: 200 yards, you know, 50 yards, 70 yards. But when
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: you see one 20 yards, 30 yards away from you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: and you're sitting there with just a. stick with a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: piece of metal on it kind of you know what
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: i'm saying and a string ultimately you got a glorified
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that what came right after the slingshot right you know
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: what i mean and you're like this is me and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: this animal right now yeah it is the fucking craziest
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: feeling i've ever felt in my life dude i wrestled
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: at summer slam it felt like that it felt like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: when logan paul was gonna jump through the table it
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: was that feeling the whole time yeah this is it Look,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: that was me really shaking, dude.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: That's a big buck, dude.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude. We had so much. I'm having the time
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: of my life down there.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a tiny little hole.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: You're shooting through. You see what I'm going through here?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Look at him.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: You have a light on your pins? You have a
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: sight light? No, sir.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Are you using a spot hog? What kind of sight
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: are you? I think so. Look at that beautiful bird.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Cam set it up for me. Cam and I.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: It must be a spot hog.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Is it Wayne? Is Wayne his name at the bow rack? Yeah,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Wayne Endicott. Wayne, I love you, Wayne.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Wayne. Yeah, you got a spot hog.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: That's a booner.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Your bow shop just dropped me off a kickstand for it, though.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: What do y'all call it?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, beautiful. Archery Country.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. Thank you for that, by the way.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, please. We love you.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Because in the stand, I'm having to hold it on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: my lap. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Brigham
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: hit him for me and was like, yo, while we're
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: doing Rogan, can you just drop off a kickstand for Jelly?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he dropped one off for me. Hoyt has
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it set up so that they're retractable, too, the way
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: it's set up.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: It's perfect.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: You can just set it down. It's perfect.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: I bought 200 arrows. And I put 100 on my
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: back porch in a bucket, and I have like 30
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: targets in my backyard now. And I sit with 100
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: of them on my farm's back porch with like 30 targets,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and now I literally wake up, let my dog out,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: and just let 100 rip first thing in the morning.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Rip a whole 100. It takes me like 45 minutes.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Good exercise. And I only have to pull them once.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: It's also the concentration clears your mind because it's so
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: hard to do. To hit a target, especially at a distance.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Your whole thing is just everything's got to be like,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: coordinated in sync and on that release and that arrow
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: flies and goes right into there. Oh, I love it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: You're talking about concentration. It's one of the only things
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I've ever done that when I'm standing there, even over
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: a target, especially over a deer, but even over a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: target and I pull that bow back, it's like you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: said about the mountains, like nothing in the world.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Matters right now. The world goes away.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: I don't even hear my inner monologue. All I see
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: It's that little green pen on that dart.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Fred Bear had a great quote about a troubled mind,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: like nothing clears a troubled mind like shooting a bow.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: It's so true. It's like there's something about how difficult
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: it is that it really requires everything of you. It
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: requires all of your concentration. You can't have, like, distracting
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: thoughts like, oh, I forgot to pay that bill. Oh,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I got to call that guy back. Oh, I got
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to do this. Oh, I got to do that. You
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: can't have anything in there. And because of that, it's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: like a moving meditation. Like it forces you to be
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: completely present in the moment. And that, that cleans the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: mind out.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: You're talking about moving meditation. I was thinking about when
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you were saying that, even down to the breathing, like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: the importance of the.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It's also, you're going to learn how to manage your nerves, right?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: So there's going to, this is a process and it's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a journey. And so along the way, you're going to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: have some moments where a deer comes in or an
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: elk comes in where you're, you see your body shaking,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: freaking out. But then in the future, you're going to know, okay,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I know when this is coming. Now I know how
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to stay calm. And now I see this coming like, nah, bitch,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: we ain't getting there. We're not going there. We're staying
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: right here. I call it going dead. Like you go dead.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Like all this anticipation and what if I miss and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: what if I do this? and what if he runs
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: and what if he turns?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I don't let nothing in. You don't let nothing in.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: And you just like exist like a cat. Like you're
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like a cat, like staring at the thing you're about
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: to kill. Just locked in. There's no negative at all.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: You don't ever let those emotions creep in. You know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I asked Cam, I'm like, do you ever check your
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: heart rate when you shoot? And he's like, yeah, it
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't even move. I'm like, yeah, because he knows how
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: to stay in that moment. He knows how to stay calm. Afterwards,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: it's like, yay, everybody's great and everybody's happy. And, oh,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: my God, look at this. This is incredible.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: It worked out.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: What a perfect shot. High fives and hugs.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Can't think about that, though. Can't think about the result.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Never think about the result. Always think about the process.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Always think about the process.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I'm having fun with the process here.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: The process is amazing.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Cam was saying that. I felt so bad looking at
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Cam today. I said, Cam, you're not mad that we
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: sat four times and I haven't got one yet, especially
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: since I fucked it up once and twice had to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: pee today. But we've been in there four hours. I mean,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, Cam, that buck's not coming back over.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're staying hydrated.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm staying hydrated. I'm like, Cam, I got to pee.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That guy has amazing patience.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: He said he smiled. He was like, this is what
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I'm here for, bub. He said, I'm glad you're getting
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: the journey. And I was like, I think if I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: had came here and just shot one, it wouldn't have been.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I've sat four times. I'm working for this deer.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I pulled on him three times this morning, Joe, and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: just could not. And Cam was proud of me, though,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: because I was like, I just don't have the shot, Cam.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Because he whispers in my ear, he goes, do you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: got a shot? And I've been, I forgot who wrote it,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: but it's a little book called Lying. Have you ever
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: seen this book?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: It's like a, Jamie, it's like a little bitty book.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: It's just called Lying. But it's like, you got to
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: check it. It's a really cool book. And it just
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: talks about us lying. And it was the book that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: talked about me lying to myself. And right then I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: had to fight that urge to lie. Because it wouldn't
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: have been a lie if I would have said, yes,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I got a shot. But I didn't have a good shot.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: So instead I go, I don't get one I like, Cam.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Cam goes, and he just put his hand in my shoulder.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: He said, okay.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: And I just let it down.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I was at least, even
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: in the moment of like, I want to kill this
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: deer so I would be so cool. Imagine if I
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: went on Joe Rogan's after killing my first buck this morning.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: And I was like, but I was like, this ain't
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: the shot. You know what I mean? Like I want
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: the first one to be the shot. I want to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: be proud of it. You know what? I don't want
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: to harm an animal. You know what I mean? I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: don't want an animal to suffer. I want to double
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: lung it. I want to drop it like a movie.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And if I have to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: sit here, Eight more times to get that shot, no problem.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: It'll just make it even sweeter when it happens. I'm
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: just getting better, Joe.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I'm learning more. I'm learning how to listen for stuff.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing things. Now I know when they're looking, what
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: the wind means. I learn what barometric pressure is and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: what it does to them. It's all kind of cool stuff, dude.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like a little nerd there. I'm like the little
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: kid walking around asking questions all day.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a really big learning curve to hunting, particularly
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: bow hunting, and it's really interesting. You just keep learning stuff.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I've been doing it now for— I guess I've been
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: bow hunting for 12 years or 13 years. I guess
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: 12 years. And I'm still learning. I learn all the time.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: It's one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: And especially in terms of getting pretty decent at it,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: getting proficient at it, and having a bunch of success.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: And success begets more success. I love it. And then
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: when you eat it, it's different than any other meal
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: you'll ever eat. When I pull an elk steak out
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: of my freezer and I thaw it out and then
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I throw it on the Traeger and I throw some
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: olive oil on it and I like this Saskatchewan, blackened
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Saskatchewan rub that they have. It's my favorite for elk.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: And I get that sucker up to 120 degrees and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: then I bring it inside and I sear it on
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: a cast iron frying pan. Then I eat it.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: It's magical. I remember the whack when that elbow hit
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: him in the lungs.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: The whack.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: That sounds.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: How crazy is it hunting elk?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: They're huge, right? They fucking scream.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would scare the shit out of me.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: It's magical. I hunted with Cam this September and I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: got this elk that was... He was coming over the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: mountains with his cows and we saw him and we
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: were like, whoa, that's a good one. We gotta try
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: to get to him. So we had to go over
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: the top of this ridge and go down into this
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: valley and go through the woods and And as we
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: got to where he was, another elk stole his fucking cows.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: And so by the time we got to the woods,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: we were following the screams because he was still screaming
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: and they were screaming and the cows were... So we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: get through the woods and then we realize, oh shit,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: he got his cows stolen. So his cows, we saw
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: the last of his cows run up this hill, run
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: up the side of this mountain and he was going
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: after them. He was like slowly and then My guy
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Colton that I was with, he called. He busted this
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: little cow elk call. And you see the elk go
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: like this. It's like a record skips. And then he turns,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and he slowly starts walking. I was at full draw
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: for like a minute and a half behind this tree,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: just holding for a minute and a half while this
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: dude was. He was about 25 yards, but he did
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: not like it. He's like, something's going on here. I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: don't see the cow. What the fuck is happening here?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: So he went around sideways to try to get our wind.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: And as soon as he went around sideways, as soon
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: as he got clear, I saw him put that pin
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: on him, saw swag. I hit him. He was dead
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: in 15 seconds. 15 seconds. He got hit. He's like,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: what the fuck? He turned, started going downhill, and then
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: fell and rolled. And it was over like that. And
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: then I think of that moment every time I eat it.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Every time I'm cutting into that steak, I think of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: that crazy moment.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: God, that is a wild moment, dude.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And it's also after miles and miles of trekking up
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: these mountains. You're at 7,700 feet above average. Sea level.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And you have to hunt elk.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: You don't sit for them, right?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: You got to kind of go out and find them.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: There's no sitting.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go find elk.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: You're fucking exhausted every day.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Let's go, baby.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy cardio.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm training for, Joe Rogan.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, 100%.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting in shape for.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: When June starts rolling around, that's when I start really
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: ramping up the cardio. That's when I start ramping up
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: the airdyne bike and ramping up the steps. When I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: start doing step-ups on boxes and I start doing body
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: weights in September. Wow. So right around June is when
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I really just kick into leg strengthening, leg conditioning, and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: cardio time. Because you know you're going to have to go.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: They live in the mountains, man, which is interesting because
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: they didn't used to be. They were more like living
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: in the plains until people start fucking with them. And
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: then they realize the best way to get away from
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: people is to get way up where it's difficult to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: get to. So if you want to get them, you've
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: got to go where it's difficult to get to. So
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you've got to get in shape.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the stuff. I hope somebody's listening to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: this right now going, man, I'll never be able to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: elk hunt. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. I promise
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: you can.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Can you walk? Then you can do it. Yeah, you
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: can do it.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Just start walking tomorrow, man, and start going forward. Even then,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: it's your big goal. Put little goals in between there.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: That was another big one for me. It was like
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I had these big goals, but they were so far,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I realized I'd lose sight of them sometimes. So you've
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: got to set them little baby goals in the middle.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Those little like, you know what,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to walk a mile. Five days this week,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: no matter what the weather is, I'm going to walk
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: a whole mile. You know, I'm going to walk to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: my mailbox and back, whatever your starting point is. And
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: then I encourage you to start making the decision that's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: hard because me and Cam talked about this when we
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: ran our 5K. There's a hill. My driveway comes down
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: a driveway, comes down a hill, and you bust a right, Joe.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: And then you can go left into a neighborhood, the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: same run I run every day. Or you can go
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: right up a hill. And it is a hill hill,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: you know. And the first day I came out and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I looked up that hill and I looked to the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: left and I took two steps to the left and
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I stopped and I told myself, I was like, I'm
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: learning about stories we tell ourselves. The story I've been
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: telling myself my whole life was take the easy way out.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: My entire life, Joe, I have always looked for the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: path of the easiest, like A to B straight line.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I was like, I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: break that today. I turn right. Fuck you. You feel it,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: don't you? It's big. Right then, big.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: It's a big move.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Big moment. When you're like, no, I'm hitting that fucking hill.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: You know, because I'm big. Fat people hate hills.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Scares.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: We hate all that shit. So I'm like, I'm like,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: hit the hill. You know, and I'm walking and I'm
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: stopping and I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: and I stop. I just kept going. When I got
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: to the top of it, there was a telephone pole
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: up there and I went and slapped it. I just
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: slapped the shit out of it. And I felt so achieved.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: And I came down the hill. And then I took
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: a left. And I was going to go straight down
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: to the stop sign and back. But if you take
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: a left, you can go up another hill. So in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: my mind, I was like, I'm going to stop sign.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I hit the hill. But as I was walking by
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: that other hill, I was like, this is the new you.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: You hit the hill, dog. This is the new you.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Today is the new you. You hit the hill. Left.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Hit the fucking hill. Come back down. On my way
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: home that day, look up, see that hill. It's right
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: by my house. I go, fuck it. I'm going to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: hit it one more time. You know what I mean?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: And then it started becoming a thing where it's like
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I started adopting that philosophy in life now, Joe. I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: hit the hill first. Whatever the hardest thing is, whatever
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: scares me the most, whatever I think is going to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: be the most daunting of the day, it's like put
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: that motherfucker on the table right now. Let me see
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: that bitch first.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And it makes the rest of your life easier too.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: That's what's really important. When you elect to make these decisions,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: conscious decisions to do a difficult thing voluntarily, you elect
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: to do that, then the rest of your life becomes
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: way easier. Because the most difficult thing of your day
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: is always the most difficult thing of your day. whether
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: you decide to do it or whether life throws it
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: at you. And you can decide to give yourself some
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: shit that's way harder than anything life's going to throw
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: at you. And then the rest of life becomes easy.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: It makes you ready to deal with life.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: It's also very important for famous people. Yes. It's very
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: important for famous people because- For fame, the pressures and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the weirdness of fame, most people don't understand the psychological
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: burden that that carries, how that hits you. And it
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: can really fuck with you. And one of the best
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: ways that I've found to keep it from fucking with
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: me is to make the hardest part of my day
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: my choice. I do it. I put myself through. So
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: other stuff that seems difficult for other people that don't
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: work out or don't take on challenging tasks. It's not
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: that difficult for me. It's easy. I'm already torturing myself
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: every fucking day.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: And I feel weirdly more qualified to deal with shit
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: when I do though. Like when I have a really
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: hard run, I walk into the house that day like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't care what comes at me today.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I am on fire. I'll give you another quick story.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: There's nothing harder than what you're doing. You're barely alive, right?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: You're breathing so hard. Your heart is pounding. Nothing in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: life is giving you that. Nothing in life is giving
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: you that kind of burden.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: So if you can do that to yourself, it'll make
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life way easier. Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: And then, believe it or not, it gets funner. It
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: goes back to my first year walking was miserable. I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: won't lie to people that are listening to this. I
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: didn't enjoy one of those walks.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Not one. I didn't have one time. But when the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: weight started coming off and I started being able to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: breathe a little better, like I wasn't just fighting for
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: oxygen every single step. And that moment happens, though, if
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: you're patient. The next thing you know, you're running with
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: your friends, and y'all are talking about the football game,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: and you're firing on all cylinders.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Today, when you were on that treadmill, you were talking.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: We were watching the Volkanovsk, excuse me, the Pyotr Yan-Dvavish-Willy fight.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: We were giving commentary.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: It's like you do it, and it makes you.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: As you were running, like, oh, I remember when that
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: kick landed.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, ooh, that was loud. I'm telling you, dude.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: As you were running.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Just running, and it makes me mentally ready now. Because
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I go out, and I know David talked about this
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: a lot, Goggins, but I go out there and beat
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: that bitch every day. Yeah. All them negative thoughts that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: deal with them on my run and my workout, every
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: one of those, you can't do it. And you know
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: what else I've learned? If I have a chance to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: eat bad today, it's going to happen on a day.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't wake up and run. Right. If I'm going
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: to go off, off my program, because the days I run,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want that shit. Right. I know I earned it. Right.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: And mentally it makes me better. I woke up the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: other day and ran my farm and I come back
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: and my son, I'm all excited. We're going to the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Titan game and I'm getting to connect with my son.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: And I go, um, Hop on a four-wheeler, ride up
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: to the top of the hill. I'll run up there
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: and meet you. I'm going to get a little more
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: exercise in. And when I'm running up to the top
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: of the hill, I look up and he stopped somewhere
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: going down another hill that I thought he was going
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: to go down. And right then I realized it's the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: hill that he fell and broke his wrist on riding
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: a four-wheeler last year. And he stopped up there because
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: he's scared. And his friend already went down. Joe, I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: thank God in that moment. I said, Jesus, thank you.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: I'm ready for this. I've ran. I feel the endorphins
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: like I am ready to parent this moment. Most of
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: the time, you know, as a parent, you walk into
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: these crazy moments and you're like, oh, not fully ready
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: for this moment.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Like we blow them and you look back and go, oh,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for that one necessarily. And I walk
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: up to him and I credit this to running. I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: walk up and I go, what's up, buddy? And he goes,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: I think this is the hill, dad. I go, it is, buddy.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: He goes, I'm scared. And I go, dude, I've been
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: scared for 35 years and I never admitted it. So
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: you're already way better than me. You're already twice the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: man I. I said, now what we got to do
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: is know we know what we're feeling. What are we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: going to do? It's me and you, buddy. What are
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: we going to do? He goes, well, I don't want
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: to drive it. I go, what if I ride with you?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: He goes, will you sit on the back of this? Now,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: he's on a 90. You know what I'm talking about?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: You know, for people at home, this is a nine-year-old four-wheeler.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: And even then, I start just thanking God in my
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: head where I was like, I'm ready for this. For
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: the first time ever, I'm not too fat to get
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: on this thing with him. Probably going to rub a
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: little bit. You know what I'm saying? But I can
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: get on the back of it. And I sit down
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: on the back of it. And he says, will you
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: grab the steering wheel? I go, no, buddy, but I'll
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: grab your waist. I said, you don't need me to
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: touch that steering wheel. You just need me with you.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Crushes it down the hill.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That's awesome. And then you
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: get to have the moment where you get to go,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: now what did we learn there, buddy? He goes, I
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: learned that I can do it as long as you're
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: with me. I said, no, buddy, you learned that you
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: can do it. You just thought you needed me with you. Right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I said, but here's the good news. Jesus is always
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: with you, Bubba. You got this. Like, just go. Like,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: don't be afraid of this, man. He drove it back
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: up the hill. So then I said, do me a favor.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Just ride up top of that hill and ride back down.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I'll be sitting here waiting for you. If you start
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: to go south, I'll run and jump on you. I'll
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: do whatever. I'll save you. I'll die for you, boy.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Just come down that hill. He drove right up the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: top of that hill, turned around, came right down the hill.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: And it's like I was ready for it, though. I'd
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: already did the hard stuff that day. You know what
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: I mean? Having an emotional moment with my son was
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: the easiest part of my day after that. I'd already
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: ran three, four miles. You know what I mean? I'd
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: already woke up and got myself in a headspace of like,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pour into my son today. I'm going
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: to take him to get his favorite suite from the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Titan game. I'm going to get him a Cam Ward jersey.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I'd already had a thing of ways I was going
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: to connect with him. And then God gave me a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: whole new opportunity.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like God gave me a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: real opportunity. I was making ways to connect. Like, oh,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: we could probably do this and this will be fun.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: But like it just naturally came. I wasn't ready for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: that at 500 pounds. One, I would have never been like,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: go up there, Hill. You have 500 pounds. I'm like,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: you want to sit here and watch a movie? No
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: kid wants to sit and watch a movie at nine
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: years old for all parents out there that are 500 pounds.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'll answer for them. Um,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: but to be in that kind of place with them
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: is like the joy of life. Like I, I want
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: somebody to hear this podcast. I keep saying it this
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: way and understand that you're not living the life you can.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: And it's so, so possible. It's not easy, but it's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: possible and it's worth it. It's so worth it, Joe.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The things that are not
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: easier are worth it. It's, it's important to do things
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: that are not easy. It's really important. It's like if
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: you want real peace, peace doesn't come from rest. Peace
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: comes from struggle.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Peace comes from struggle.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It really does. You have to. Peace comes from challenge.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: It comes from being excited about something, doing something difficult,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: figuring out you could do it, building resilience. You know,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: building resilience is so important. It's so important because there's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: just too many people that are afraid of resilience. They're
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: afraid of confrontation. They're afraid of Anything that's difficult, anything
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: that's struggle, anything that's going to test them, they're scared
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: of it. They don't want that discomfort. But that discomfort
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: is when you find true peace.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: There was a guy that, there's a famous old tale
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: that reminded me of that. The guy goes, a young
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: man looks at a rich man one day, a rich, healthy,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: happy man. He goes, how did you get where you are?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: And the rich, happy man looks at him and goes,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: good decisions. Two words, good decisions. You ever heard this story?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: He goes, good decisions. And the kid goes, well, how
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: did you make good decisions? He goes, one word. experience.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: And the kid goes, well, how did you get experience?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: And the guy goes, two words, bad decisions.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: You just got to go do it, dude. Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Failure. Failure is critical. Failure and the pain of failure
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: is also very important. It sucks. And it's hard in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: the moment. You don't think you're ever going to live
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: past this. You're going to live in this moment forever.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: And I can't do this. I'm going to, I can't
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: live like this. I can't do this. But Get through it.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Get through it.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Get through it. And now you have resilience.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: And you'll become a whole you'll become a better person
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: because of it. Like just just taking and I used
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: to be that way and I'd get in shame about
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: stuff like shame was a big thing for me. I'd
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: be embarrassed and I'd get into a spiral where I
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: just wouldn't deal with things. I'm just ashamed of that.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't do it right or I'm a fuck up
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: or I'll never do it right or. I'll never be
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: able to do that. I use this kind of language.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: It goes back to how we talk to ourselves. Right.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like this is, and your body believes it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: You tell your body enough, you're never going to do none.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Your body will start to be like, all right, we're
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: never going to do that. You know, but it's like,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I realized that it was more about actually just starting
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to go, nah, man, I can do that. You know
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I can figure that out. And
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: now I get motivated. Every time I've left that deer
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: blind without one of them bucks, every time we get
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: in the truck, I'm all, I'm smiles. Cam goes, how
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: you feeling? I was like, dog, I am going to
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: get good at this. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I look at it different. I don't look at it like, oh,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I suck. I look at it like, dog, I am
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: eight hours into 10,000 of these hours. You know what
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, y'all be patient with me. I'm only
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: on hour eight. You know what I'm saying? Like, but
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: I promise y'all, I'll be a whole different dude.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: But God, eight hours into something like that is so
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: nice because you know you have so much to learn.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: And if you just look at it that way, like,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: what a beautiful blessing it is to have so many
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: opportunities to do things. So many opportunities Times that you're
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: going to be able to learn. So much time to grow.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: So much time to get better. You have so much room.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're already Cam Haynes, boy, it's so
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: difficult to get better when you're the best. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: It's so hard.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: 100%. All you can do is help me.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: And, you know, he's just challenged by moments. So he
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: just experiences a lot of challenging moments. And he rises
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: to the occasion because he knows because he's got 30-plus
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: years of experience doing it. And he knows how to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: do it. But for you, it's like you're in this
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: beautiful place where it's all learning. Every day is a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: new lesson. Even mistakes, like putting your hoodie on. Okay,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: now we know.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Now I know. I'm going to wear the hoodie. I'll
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: tell you what, tomorrow night I'm going to wear the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: hoodie if it's 80 because I don't care. I'd rather
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: sweat in it, and then when it gets cold, I'm
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: ready than be not ready when it's cold.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: And you're going to have a bunch of those. I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: had one elk hunting this September. We were going after
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: these elk that were— in this thickly wooded uh section
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: and we were in this open area and uh we
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: were we were trying to figure out where this bull
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: is because he was running cows through there and you
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: would catch glimpses of them and so we decided to
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: move around to this new spot and as we decided
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: to move around to this new spot We were like,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: you know what? We're going to have to go up
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: this ridge and go around this way and come at
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: him from another direction. So as we started to do that,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: he changed. And he ran out through the woods into
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: the clearing. And I was stuck out in the open
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: just standing there. I'm like, fuck, if I just stayed
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: in cover, I would have got this motherfucker. But I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: got impatient. And I tried to run out and meet him.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those lessons. Like, okay, now
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: next time.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel better. 12 years in, that makes
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: me feel good.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, I'm not even close to knowing what the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: fuck I'm doing. You know, I need a lot of lessons.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I'm green as a pool table twice as square. It's bad.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm out there so lost, Joe. It's got to be
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: at least entertaining.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: For everybody to see it. It's so exciting, though. And
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: you'll get that success. It'll come.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm having so much fun. You know, I was like,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to get a buck this week.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: I believe it. But if I don't, I got so
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: many lessons and I'll be back the next week. They'll
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: let me back to try. Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: You'll find the moment. You'll find the moment. It's going
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: to come. It's going to come with persistence and just
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: putting in the time. And I feel like the universe
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: just gives you these opportunities. And when it's there, you'll
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: have this big burst, like this breakthrough moment. Like, okay,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: I did it. I fucking did it. I did it.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to cook this deer. This deer, you'll
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: be salting that thing and slapping it on the grill
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and watching it sizzle.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Pop it, baby.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Smelling it.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, the smell.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: And then when you go to cook it, you're like, oh,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: my God, this is the best food I've ever eaten
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: in my life. This is the best bite of food
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: because it's a bite of food with an experience attached
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: to it. It's not just a bite of food. And
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: it's the best meat on planet Earth, the healthiest food
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: you can get. You want to talk about like density?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: You were talking about like density of nutrition. There's nothing
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: more dense than wild game. It's like twice as much
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: protein as a piece of beef. Twice as much for
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: the same amount of ounces. Yeah, it's so good for you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Same calories?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: No, like probably less. Wow. You're eating an athlete.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: You're eating like an athlete, you know?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: That's correct. I never thought of it that way. Yeah, man.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: I've never ate a bunch of game, though. This is
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: also new.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Game is the best thing for you by far. There's
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: no better food than wild game.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I've never had an elk steak. I want one.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. You've got to try one. Oh, I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: wish I had one right here to cook for you.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I wish I had a grill.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: We'll do one. The good news is we'll do it
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: the right way. We'll cook one I kill. Yes. That'll
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: be the big moment.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: If I waited this long, I might as well go
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: smack my brother.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: It'll be so exciting. And then you're going to be fully, fully, fully,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: fully hooked.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you actually do it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: I'm already severely hooked.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: When I shot that mule deer that's on that table. And,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Ranella did the same thing that Cam did
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: for you. You know, he took me. He showed me
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: what to do. He took me out there and completely green.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I never even shot a rifle before. I only shot
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: a rifle like three. Luckily, and I'm not saying rifle
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: hunting is easy for people that rifle hunt and think
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: it's very difficult. It's very difficult. But it's not as
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: difficult as bow hunting, which is why I was able
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: to be successful on my first ever rifle hunt. You know,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: being successful on a bow hunt for mule deer, good
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: fucking luck. Bow hunting for mule deer has a very
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: low success rate, like even with elite hunters. Because it's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: a very cagey animal. They're very intelligent.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: Super fast, too, right?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: We were eating this animal. We shot it. We packed
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: it out. We started a campfire. We were cooking it.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: And I remember Steve said to me, what do you think?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm doing this forever. Forever. I knew at
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: that moment. I was like, well, I'm going to be
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: a hunter now. Like that's what I'm doing forever because
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: I was on my way to being a vegetarian. I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: was like– I watch too many PETA videos and I'm like, oh,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: my God, factory farming is so awful. It's so terrible.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand like regenerative farming and ranching. I eat
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: beef now. I mean I never stopped eating beef. But
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: eating wild game is a different thing. It's a different–
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's food with experience attached to it.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: There's something– Very spiritual about it. And it's also it
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: connects you to a part of mankind's history that is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: is it's intertwined in your DNA. Like there's something about it.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: You know, like for people that have never experienced before,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the feeling that you get when you catch
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: a fish, even little kids, man. I remember my daughter
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: caught her first fish when she was like six. She
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: caught a bass, and she was so excited.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: You get it?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: That is in our DNA because that means that you're
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: going to live. You're going to eat. You're going to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: feed your family. That's why that is so exciting to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: catch a fish. Shooting an animal and killing it and
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: eating it, knowing that you can eat it for months,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: is that times like 100. Shooting an animal with a
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: bow is that times 1,000.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, it made me think about it when I was
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: thinking about animal killing and bows, especially now, because I'm
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: thinking about this a lot, obviously I'm in the middle
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: of it, but there's this thing that's happening there where
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: it's like the concept that back in the day, a
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: man left with this stick and piece of metal or
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: just a stick back then, a shaved stick and a string.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: It was like, if this goes good, I will come
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: back with enough to feed our tribe, this entire village
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: of people. I will bring a deer and we will
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: all eat together. That's crazy.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: It is crazy.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: That that was once the way it actually went.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: And it was the only way. This is from here. This,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: who knows how old that is.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a friend of mine got that on his ranch
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: and gave it to me.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, this is crazy.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So some Native American, probably Comanche because it's here
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: in Austin. And that guy who made that made it himself.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: attached it with sinew and twine and put it on
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: a stick that he had shaved down and put feathers
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: on it that he had got from a bird and,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: you know, glue that they had made from, they made
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: glue from all kinds of different things. And he shot
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: that probably into an animal and it fed his family.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: And then that was lost in the dirt. And then
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: a thousand years later, somebody found it.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Still stands.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: And that he came home like a hero.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Like, man, you're right. That feeling of catching that fish.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: My daughter felt it too. When she was six, I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: took her bluegill fishing. I had a little spot in
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: the lake where you could just drop and catch a
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: bluegill almost every time. You know, they're pretty little fishes.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: It's so exciting for them.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: She would have a ball.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so exciting.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I took my wife to fish for the first time
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: when she came, moved down from Vegas. And I thought,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking, Joe, this was a user error. But
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my friend's got a spot catfish pond.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is great, dude. Just throw it
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: out there. She'll get her a big old hog of
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: a catfish. I wasn't thinking about how brutally hard it
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: is to unhook catfish, like compared to a bass or
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: a bluegill. You know what I mean? And, of course,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: I get a bass that swallows the fucking hook.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: So here we fight this bass. I mean, there's a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: catfish in, and she's all excited until it gets there.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: And it, to this day, was the most brutal ripping
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: out of jokes. She's never went back. She was disgusted.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: She was all in until after, like once we got,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: I should have just clipped it through it back in,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: but I was just determined to get, you know how
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: you are when you're stuck, like, oh, it's fucking coming out.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: And it was just horrible.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: It looks like, oh. Yeah. But the good news is
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: I think I've got her talking and wanting to deer
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: hunt after I do because, um, Rihanna goes, uh, Cam's assistant.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: She loves bunny. And, uh, and I think that'd be
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: digestible for bunny. Like if she went with another chick
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: that was cool, you know what I mean?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Rihanna's a big time bow hunter.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Big bow hunter.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: She'll, she'll show her how to do it. Maybe she'll
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: get hooked too.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: I know she was good because she was talking about
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: hitting one yesterday. She was like, I had a shot
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: on one at like 40, almost, I had one at
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: 40 yards out, but I didn't have a shot. And
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: right then I was like, you were going to take
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: a shot.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: At 40 yards if you had one?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: That's crazy bow hunting skill.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I was like. Yeah. Uh, this, uh, The ability to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: shoot at distance is really tricky because you've got to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: take into account wind. You've got to take into account
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: the movement of the animal. You've got to be assured.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Do you see that elk that's on the wall out
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: front with a photo of Cam and I? That was
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: 67 yards.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a video of that. So this elk
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: was standing at 67 yards, and he just stopped. He
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: had fought off these other elk. And he was tired
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: and he just stopped. And that arrow, I'll never forget
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that arrow. That arrow was like right in the 10 ring.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: It was a perfect shot.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: From almost 70 out.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he ran and he just piled up. He
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: just ran right over the top of this hill and boom.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: And he was done. But it was, that was years
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: and years and years of every day.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: In the backyard all day long. I mean, I shot
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: so many hours, I fucked my shoulder up, I fucked
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: my lower back. Because I'm obsessive. I will shoot for
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: four or five hours a day, and I'm pulling an
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: 85-pound bow like 150 times a day. It's ridiculous.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: It's like on your body. Your body's like, what the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: fuck are you doing?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: For sure. I'm only pulling 45 pounds.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and over, it becomes a part of your central nervous system.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: It's like your brain just gets locked in. Your eye
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: immediately goes to that peep site. It lines it up
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: immediately with the site housing. You balance it all out.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: You put it in the same place every time too?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Always. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, you have to have
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: anchor points. I've got a little, I've got a Bomar
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: nose button. It touches my nose. I feel that on
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: my nose every time where the string touches my nose.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: This little thing just kind of pinches at your nose,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: let you know you're in the right spot.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to go get Wayne to redo mine.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: He did it, but we had it where it just
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: sat on my nose. Perfect. And then I lost that weight. So,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, more weight. I lost like 80 pounds since
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: I got set for the bow.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: This is like the never ending problem in my life
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: right now. Clothes are either super baggy or I got
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: one size too early. So it's tight, you know, because
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just having to constantly chase whatever's next.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: I can't wait until I'm just a normal person. I
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: get down a normal weight and You know, put on
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: a holiday weight like everybody else, and that's the fluctuation.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm close, though.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: You're so close.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: I'm in like the 260s right now, 30-something pounds of
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: skin on me. I'd like to lose another probably 40.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: It's probably my goal.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: You're going to be under 200 pounds. That is wild.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: That's the goal i just want to see it once
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: on a scale just like as.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: An adult male see 190.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Just see like 199 just like wow that's crazy it
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: still feels weird telling people i weigh something that starts
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: with 200 i haven't weighed in the 200 since i
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: was like 12 well.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: You know what as you put on muscle you might
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: stay in the 200s but it'll be a different 200 dude.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: I'm i am i'm packing man my i didn't my
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: shoulders are like i'm proud of my.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Um Yeah, you look different, man, like in every way,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: in every way.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: No, it's like my posture is better, like I sit better.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: You're not burdened by a– you're rucksacking 300 pounds everywhere
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: you went.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Your legs must be so powerful. I say
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: that to Ralphie Mae. Ralphie Mae unfortunately never lost the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: weight and did wind up dying young. But I used
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: to say to Ralph, I'm like, Ralph, if you ever
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: lost weight, you get kicked through a fucking building with
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: those legs.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Like his legs were carrying around 500 pounds everywhere he went.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: And everywhere. He'd stand straight up and do a whole hour.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Pacing the stage and killing it.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's just crazy.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: He was one of the best, dude.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: He was a fun dude, too. Was he fun outside
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: of the stage, too? He was a sweetheart of a guy.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: He was a great cook, too. And unfortunately, after a while,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: he had done it with surgery. And it didn't work. He,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of people that have that addiction,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: he couldn't stop. And he thought like surgery was the answer.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: So he got his stomach done and then he ate
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: through it and then had to get it redone. Like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: he blew it out. And so it got to a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: point where, you know, when they cut your stomach down,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: they shrink your stomach, the gastrointestinal bypass. He got to
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: a point where he couldn't digest meat. So he would
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: barbecue for us. Ralphie was a really good cook. So
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: he'd make ribs. They were sensational. But he couldn't eat them.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: He had to be eating vegetables. Wow. Yeah, because his
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: body wasn't, it wouldn't process the meat right.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: And that was after the bypass, right?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I think after the second bypass.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: See, that's, and once again, it's like my heart hurts,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: you know, not that anybody could have made a difference maybe,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: but man, I just wish.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe if he knew you and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: you guys did it together.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: I could have just sat down and be like, bro,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: I know. Like, I think that's why me and you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: doing this pod so important to me was like, I
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: know there's going to be people that are going to
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: see clips of this that are 300, 400, 500 pounds.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: And I want them to like, you can do.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: It without a doubt.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Like you really can. It's like, it's, it's actually worth it.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: It's small steps. It's telling yourself the truth, doing what
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: you say you're going to do, meaning it, keeping your word,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: but most importantly, food, food, food, food, food. Like, I
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: just now started showing the runs and stuff. Like, because
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I think people appreciate seeing the work. But it's like,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: what was important, really, the weight's not lost in that running.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: The running's what makes me feel good. It's fighting the demon.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: The weight's lost whenever I sit down at the dinner
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: table and I eat like a normal human. I don't
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: eat seven plates and six desserts. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: that's where it's at. And that's that. Anytime I used
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: to see guys like Ralphie and I would think at watching,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, man, when you get to that size,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: there's a mental component. There's something happening there. There's some
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: trauma attached to it, or there's a story that you're
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: living in, in your mind. It's just a, you know,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: your body's just reacting to a pattern. It's always had that.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: You haven't been able to get it out. It's there's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: something you've got to really go in and roll the
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: sleeves up and find of kind of find it. Like
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: I did every kind of thinking back to, I had
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: this therapist did the coolest thing, Joe. She looked at
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: me and said, when do you first remember being big?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: I talked to my sister, Shelby about this the other day.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: And I said, and she said what I said, which
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: made me cry. Cause I never talked to nobody in
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: my family about this. And I go, I think the
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: first time I realized I was big was I was
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: going to get school clothes for elementary school. And then
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: back then they had a section in the Dillards called Husky.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: You remember this? You're old enough to remember they had
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: a Husky section. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: which is awesome, I guess. But, you know, and I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: just remember like not knowing what it meant, but just
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: knowing it was different and knowing that like, I felt different.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Like I felt like, I felt ashamed even at that
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: age a little bit being in this section. You know
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And I didn't understand why.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Well, kids are so brutal, too. They're so brutal.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: And then I talked to my sister the other day,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: and I go, Shelby, man, do you remember the first
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: time that you thought I was an overweight kid? And
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: she goes, oh, yeah, I'll never forget it, dude. We
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: took you to some store, and they had a Husky section,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: and you couldn't fit the jeans, and you had to
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: shop in the Husky section. And she said, dude, it
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: tore you apart. And I was like, OK, so I
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: lived in that shame forever, too.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Forever.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like just that constant shame.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: But I did that work in therapy. You know what
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I mean? It had related. That's why I said earlier,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: sometimes when I'm in the pantry, Mary B would be like,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: who's what version of you is in the pantry? Is
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: it the kid you or is it the adult you
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: that's not answering an email? Because sometimes this is how
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: deep addiction runs. Sometimes that relapse will be caused by
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: literally an unresponded email. that you just let sit there
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: and torture you, but you don't notice it because it's
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: just nagging at you. Just that, why don't you just
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: tell that guy that you're not interested? Why don't you
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: just tell, why are you avoiding that? Why are you
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: avoiding that? You avoid everything. You avoid everything. This is
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: your personality trait. You know what? There's thousands of things
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: you need to be saying to people. You start eating
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: what you're not saying. You know? Distract yourself. Distract yourself.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Even whenever I first got through this, I had to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: sit my wife down, Bunny, who is, I talk about
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: a lot on this podcast. She is my anchor, Joe.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: She's the best thing. I think I've said this every
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: time I've been in your podcast. The single best thing
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: that ever happened to me was marrying the right fucking woman.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: For sure. You know what I mean? And Bunny, I
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: sit down with Bunny and I'm, what was we talking about?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I got so excited about my wife.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you were talking about being husky, shame, why you
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: don't answer emails, distracting yourself.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Distracted. It's like you're just constant. The food is a
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: way of not having to deal with or even say,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: so I sit Bunny down, I go, baby, I'm probably
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: going to start give me some grace. I sit my
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: whole house down and go, I'm going to try to
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: do an effort to communicate how I feel in real time.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: And I might be abrasive at first because this is
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: a new concept. I normally have to go like chew
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: on things for a few hours to make sure I
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: don't misrepresent my thoughts. You know what I mean? I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: was like, but sometimes in those few hours I'll find
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: myself in the pantry to distract yourself.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, if y'all just give
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: me some grace and what I need y'all to do
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: is just be a, be a mirror for me and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: just go, Hey, I got you, but think about the
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: way you said that. Just put it back. Just make
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: me see it. You know what I mean? Just make
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: me mirror it. And they were so patient with me.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Bunny's a gangster, though. She'd be the first one to
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, there goes a little snippy there, aren't we?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: A little ass-holey, huh? I'd be like, fair. She'd be like,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: I got it. Probably could have said it different. Love you.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, fair.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: But it was just me learning how to communicate my thoughts.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: And now it's like... But it was so many of
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: these little trigger things that I found that would be
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: what would send me back. I keep saying the pantry.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: The pantry is the gas station. Anywhere I can closet eat.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: I just give it a place. It's like Cam was
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: telling me about the pain cave idea the other day.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, to me, that's what the pantry's always been.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Not the pain cave, but the idea of it represents
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: a lot. You know what I mean? But when I'm
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: in the pantry, now I know why. I can literally,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: once again, reset everything. reconnect, re-engage. You know what I mean?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: In any situation. If I'm at a party now and
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: I think about eating or I think about drinking, I
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: can go outside, I can hit a joint twice, I
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: can reconnect with myself. What do you think about drinking
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: for in there? What do you need to prove? Who
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: are you embarrassed that you're not being cool enough around
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: right now? That you think it'll make you a little
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: more loose? You know what I mean? Be real with yourself, Jason.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: What's wrong here? And then you get it. You're like, yeah, fuck,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: I'm being weird, dude. I don't need to go in
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: there and drink. I'm cool. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: You're becoming a different person. Yeah, a better version of
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: who you really are. Yeah. And it's a beautiful thing
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: because you're not just doing it for you. You're doing
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: it publicly, and you doing it publicly is going to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: change the lives of countless people. There's probably a million
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: people right now that are listening to this that are
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: changing some aspect of their life because of what you're saying.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: That's why I didn't hand. I've seen too many other
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: celebrities go in the dark and lose a bunch of
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: weight and try to come out with a big reveal.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: And it always just felt superficial and, like, it just
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: didn't feel right. I was like, yo, man, we should just, like,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: post about this. Like, every workout, every day, it's like.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: It's also good because it makes you accountable.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Makes you accountable.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Because you're putting it out there to the world. As
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: long as you're not reading the comments.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Fuck the comments. I don't even post. it.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Somebody else posts it. It's ghosted from Go.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: That's better. That's better. Because as long as you're not
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: dwelling on other people's opinions and thoughts. Because a lot
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: of those people, one of the things that they do
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: when they're saying negative things is they're avoiding introspection. They're
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: avoiding their own personal criticism of themselves.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: So they're doing that by putting that on you. So
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: by putting negative thoughts on you and negative comments on you,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: what they're really showing is that they're damaged and that
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: they're avoiding that self-analysis that leads to you having to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: make changes for yourself. So instead, they're just shitting on
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: other people. There's a lot of people. That's an addiction.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: That's a giant addiction that people have, not just to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: being on social media, but to talking on social, commenting
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: on social media and being out, you know, just being negative.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Well, my favorite quote is the booze mean nothing to me.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: I've seen what makes them cheer.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: You can't, your booze mean nothing to me. I've seen
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: what you cheer at. You know what I'm saying? It's like,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: come on, dude, you think I care about them booze?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: It also reminds me of the story of the donkey,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: the dude, the father and the donkey. I don't know
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: if you ever heard this story, but the sons, the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: father's walking with the son and the son's riding a
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: donkey and they're going through this little village and somebody goes,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Why don't you look at that? Look at that old man. Look,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: look at that. That poor boy's making that old man walk.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: So the man thinks, oh, I don't want to think
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: bad of my grandson. So he tells the grandson, hey,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: in the next town, right before we go, I'm going
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: to hop on the donkey and you walk. So he
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: hops on the donkey and they start walking. And somebody goes,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: can you believe that old man's making that little boy
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: walk by himself? So he stops. He says, fuck it.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I'll just buy the kid a donkey. So he buys
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: the kid a donkey. They're going through the next city
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: and they're they're both walking beside their donkeys. Right now,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: they're both on their donkeys. And somebody goes, well, look
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: at them two people just beating to death them poor
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: old donkeys. Them old donkeys just can't do nothing. He
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: said the next time he could tell this to the grandson,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: he goes, fuck it, we'll just walk beside the donkeys.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: So they're walking besides the donkey. And you know what
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: somebody screams, don't you? Look at them perfectly two good
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: donkeys they're not using. Those donkeys should be getting put
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: to work. And the moral is he couldn't do anything
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: to make anybody happy. You know what I'm saying? It
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: didn't matter what he did.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: You can never make everybody happy because everybody's not happy.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like you can make happy people happy,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: but you can't. What percentage of people are legitimately happy?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get happy. It's difficult.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: You know what else changed for me was looking at
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: happy different. My wife has that quote in the house
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: that says, we no longer search for happiness. We search
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: to be useful. It's like the moment I quit looking
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: for my happiness, now I just look to be a tool.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Like I walk in every situation with my hands open, like, God,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: what you got for me here?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: How can I bring value to this? What can I do?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Can I motivate? Like, where can I be a little
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: piece of you in this moment? You know what I mean? And, um,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: that changed everything. Now I'm always, by default, I'm always
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: happy because I'm being useful. Right. You know what I mean?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Like there's nothing more fulfilling than being useful. Yeah. But
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: I wasn't, I quit chasing happiness. I just started chasing
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: being useful.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: That's beautiful. It's, uh, It's an amazing story, man. And
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: you're in the middle of it. You're not done.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we've almost lost the weight. The transformation will be next.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: And the transformation, Joe, that will be something to watch.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: The weight loss, that's been cool to watch. But the transformation, Bubba,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: I'm coming, dude. What do you mean by the transformation? Dude,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't, I was, I'm going to like,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: I see myself. I've never been able to see myself
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: like this, but like, I'm going to be like in
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: top shape, Joe. You know what I mean? Like I
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: was watching you with them kettlebells today. And while I'm running,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, the next time I do
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: this podcast, if Joe has me back, God willing, I'll fucking,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do that workout with him and I'm
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: going to blow his mind. I'm going to make him
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: in that action. Bronson's my friend. So I say this
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: out of love. I'm going to finish that workout. You're
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: going to shake my hand and be like, dude, you
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: did better in action. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know what I mean? Like I was
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: watching it like, I'm fucking coming for that. You know
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like that's the kind of shape I
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: want to be in. Like man stuff. I didn't feel
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: like a man. Dude, at 500 pounds, I couldn't walk
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: a mile. My video guy, Andy, you've met him a
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: few times. Tall ball guy. It's real fun. He said
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: something to me when I was losing this weight that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: broke my heart because he's such a good kid. When
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: I finally got down to like 300, he looked at
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: me and said, dude, you're like, I just need you
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: under 250. And I was like, what for? And he
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: was like, because then if anything ever goes wrong, I
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: know I can throw 250 pounds over my shoulder and
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: I can fire them and carry you out of somewhere.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what a sweet soul that you
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: have secretly been looking at me all these years. Like,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: what if something happens to the jelly and I can't
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: get them up? Right. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: what a just genuine swell. Like, I didn't realize how
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: much my weight was affecting everybody.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Well, people who love you know that this is not sustainable.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: And if they love you and they love being around you,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: they go, how much longer is he going to be here? Right. Yeah.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: And when you're 40 years old and you're 500 pounds,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: it's like the answer is not long. Yeah. Your body
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: can't do it, you know, and everybody's different. Some people
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: don't even make it to 40.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: No, I could feel it happening. Like I was scared
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: of the way I would sleep in certain positions. Like
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: I would have nightmares that I was going to die.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: Stop breathing. That if I rolled the other way, I'd
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: suffocate myself. You know what I mean?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's possible.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: It was just, you know. If I rolled over one
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: time on my stomach and I was so fat that
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: the way I rolled over, I'd trap my left arm
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: under me. And my right arm almost wasn't strong enough
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: to get me up enough to let the left arm loose.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I'm panicking.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Like, you're suffocating. Like, I'm going to die right here
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: because I just physically don't have enough strength in one
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: arm to get me from, you know, you roll over
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: like this to get me up off of my other arm.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: I can tell you right now I can do 20 push-ups, though.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I know it don't sound
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: like a lot to the listener, but from where I'm
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: coming from, big deal. You know what I'm saying? I'm
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: in better shape than Bert Kreischer, for sure. You know
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? I love you, Bertie boy.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done what he wants to do that he
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: never can do.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I will say this to him and Tom, boy, they
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: better bring their A game to the 5K this year.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: Don't look up and I look like Tanner or Truett
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: Haynes running with fucking jeans on.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's interesting because he's got it in him. He
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: can lose weight. Like when Tom and him first had
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: that weight loss challenge. Tom went with it and never
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: went back.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: Tom looks great.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: He looks fucking amazing. He's thinner than he's ever been before.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: He's like 180 now.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Brigham said he's getting in shape.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. He works out hard.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: I secretly want to beat him in the 5K, but
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: it's a big to do. I'm on your ass, Tommy Buns.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: When I met Tommy, Tommy was like real big and
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: he was eating bad. And him and Bert both decided
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: to have this weight loss challenge. So we had this
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: podcast together. They lost all the weight. you know, and
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Bert got pretty thin too, man. They both lost a
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: lot of weight. You know, they did it over the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: whole month of October. And then when they came in,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: they all, they weighed each other on the scale and
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: Tom won. And so Bert had to shave his beard
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: and they did it, you know, live on the air.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: It was fun. We had a good time though, but
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: it was, it was this moment where Tom realized, okay,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be fat again. And he
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: never was fat again. He just, He gained a little
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: bit of weight and then lost it again, but he
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: never got fat again. And now he looks fucking, he
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: looks tremendous. I mean, you go back and watch his
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: earlier comedy specials, where he's this big old moon face.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: And then look at him now. You would never even
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: imagine that guy was ever fat.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: No, for sure. It's back when he had the moon face,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: the black button down.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: He was balding up top.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't commit.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: No, totally different time.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: He's a different human. He's a different human now. And Bert.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: It goes back and forth. Bird will lose a bunch
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: of weight and then get big as fuck again.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: It's that yo-yo. Yeah.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: With bird, it's booze, man.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: It's booze. It's all booze for bird.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: It's food, too.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, the motherfucker will go to McDonald's and order
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: like 30 Big Macs. Yeah. He's a fucking animal.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you know how that is. The left hand will
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: wash the right hand in those situations. You put a
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: little alcohol in you, you're not thinking, you know what?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: I think a Caesar salad with a salmon is pretty
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: good tonight. You're like, somebody take me in and out, baby.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: I relate.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: My chef had a note one night. We looked through
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: all my weight loss before this pod. And he had
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: a note where I went drinking heavy one night. And
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: I was probably 515 pounds. And he was just like,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: even in his note, he was like, not sustainable. He
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: can never lose the weight drinking this way. You know
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like it was just, Ian Lawrence was
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: just that. And he sat me down and was like, Bubba,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: I don't care what I feed you. I can't out.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: You get drunk and you eat 3,000 calories of shit
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: after you drank 3,000 calories of tequila. Right, right, right.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I was like, I got
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: to quit drinking.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: You know, just a stone cold thing I had to
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: come with.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible for you. And when you see Bert
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: with that enormous belly, that's all just alcohol and inflammation.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: It's like so bad for you. And Bert's 50 now.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like Jesus, Bert.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: And we got the same doctor. God.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bert don't listen.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, Bert don't listen.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: But he's also, he's.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: He's also an athlete though. The problem with Bert is
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: that that dude, this is what I love about Bert
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: that makes Bert so special, is that Bert, You remember
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: when he ran about a half marathon or marathon or
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: something without training?
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: He ran a whole marathon without any training at all.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: That's Burt. And he was fat. No, that's— He ran
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: 26 miles.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just like Burt at who he is.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: So it's that really hard thing to tell a guy.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo, be careful, Bubba. But it's also like
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: he'd go bust a 10K out today if you made
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: him just out of spite. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: No, he's got extraordinary genetics that he abuses.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Mickey Mantle Gene, dude. It's real, man. It's funny. real, dog.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: No, it is real. It is real. You know, but
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: he's playing a game that you can never win.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: You'll never win that game.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Eventually, one day, your heart will go, check, please.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: And that's it.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: You know, and hopefully, he catches it before that. And
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: that's what everybody who loves him wants. It's just he's
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: also got this mindset that his whole success is connected
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: to him being this party animal.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: It's not, though. It's connected to you being Bert. It's
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: connected to you being one of the most genuine, sweet, funny,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: show-up-for-you dudes I've ever met in my life. Like six-pack
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: or 400 pounds, dude, your heart is the size of
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: a horse. You know what I mean? Like Bert Kreischer
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: is the new friend's. That's one of the ones I
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: pray for. And Bert Kreischer, Cam Haynes. I prayed for
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: new kids. He sent me a bunch of really cool ones,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: a bunch of wild ones, Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliffe, a
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of fuck-ups, but they were good dudes. You know
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Like real, real, slightly outside of normal people,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: but are great guys. You know, and Bert Kreischer's a great,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: his friendship's done a lot for me. I hope me
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: showing up, he hasn't really, he's seen me whenever at wrestling,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: but I think when I show up to this 5K
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: and I do it in 30 minutes. I hope that's
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: the moment Bert's like, all right, baby, I'm with you, Jelly.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Well, he's just got to realize that his success will
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: always be there. He doesn't have to be drunk to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: have that success. He's hilarious. He does Sober October sometimes,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: and one time recently he did it, and he called
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: me up, and he's like, I just haven't been drinking.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: I feel so much better, and I really think I'm done.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I go, you should be done, man. You don't need it.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: You don't need it. He's like, you're right. I think
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm done. And then right back to it. You know,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: it's hard. But in those moments of clarity, he realizes.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll hear this and that'll be it.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: I think he's funny either way.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, he'll be funny either way.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've woke up with Bert. He's hilarious.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: He'll probably be more funny.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: Bert at breakfast to me is as funny as Bert
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: at night.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Oh, for sure.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: Same Bert.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And healthier. It's like.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: I've been very fortunate in life. One of the most
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: fortunate things though, is the group of people that I've
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: been connected to. It's very, like we were talking about that.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: It's very important. It's very important. And Bert is connected
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: to a lot of really good people. And hopefully that'll
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: lead him on a similar, I mean, everybody has their
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: own timeline. Everybody has their own way of doing it.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: Everybody has to have their own moment too. You know,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: I had to have mine. I just, my thing for
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Bert or anybody out there is that if you're, Just
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: don't let it get there if you can. Right. I
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: just pray, man. I feel like I don't think I'm
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: making this up when I say I think I was
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: 6 to 12 months away from missing it. Especially traveling.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I travel 280 days a year. Right. At
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: 500-something pounds.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: 200-something flights a year. 250 flights a year. So bad
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: for you. I just couldn't. I wasn't going to be
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: able to do it. I knew it. You know what
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: I mean? And lucky, once again, I had a wife
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: that was just super supportive. She was supportive through all
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: the phases, though. But she was just like, yo, this
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: is time. And she went out of her way. The
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: first three months of the diet, I probably left this
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: part out because I'm embarrassed about it, but I should
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: tell it. The first three months of the diet, I
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: had to sit down with her and go, look, I
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: need you to hide the food. Like, I will find it.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, I need you to
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: hide the food. So her and my daughter Bailey found
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: like all these cool, like, I still don't know where
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: they were. I never found it.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: But they hid. Everything for me. Like there was nights
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: I'd walk in that pantry and it would be like
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: a banana. You know what I'm saying? I'd be like
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: the entire pantry was God. I'd be like, fair. You
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like it was cool. But once again,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: it goes back to the fox, the mole, and the horse.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: I never asked for help before.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: I never would get out of my own ego enough.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: I'd just say everything I was going to do and
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: then not do it and then get mad when they asked,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: when they tried to encouragingly love me.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: But maybe even more importantly, you were helping yourself. It
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't just you were asking for help. you weren't asking
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: for help while you weren't doing anything. You were asking
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: for help while you were helping yourself. And they were like, okay,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: I think he's really doing this.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's really a change going on.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: It goes back to that rain walk. Yeah. Whenever they,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to go. And then when
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: I went, they cheered it.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: It's a great moment that it did happen in the rain,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: you know, because it makes it even more significant. It
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: makes it more, you know, meaningful.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: It's so real.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: I keep mentioning God because my faith in him grows
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: so much stronger every day. But I truly believe that
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: that was God. You know what I mean? Almost this
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: weird thing that's like, you know, you walk out and
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: be like, you know what? Even the hill. I've lived
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: on hills my whole life and never walked up one.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: I'm from Tennessee. They're nothing but hills. I go downhill.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I do. It's a fat person trait. You
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? We look cooler, move faster, you know?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: And immediately just like, nah, man, we're hitting hills, dude.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Like every time I can hit a hill. I'm now
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: looking for hills in life.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: Like I'm looking for like, how can I make this
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: run a little harder? Like when Cam tells me we're
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: at mile five, he's like, I'm proud of you. You
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: did your PR. I was like, we better do six
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: two then, baby. It ain't a 10K if we don't
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: do another mile point two.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: Like immediately I was like, we got to go.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: It's just been, it's the, it's the, it's the effort,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: but helping the self and knowing you want to change
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: and then not being afraid to just go ask, not
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: being ashamed to just go to your wife. Cause that's
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: a little embarrassing. It'd be like, Hey, can you just
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: like had the dark chocolate? And they're who dark chocolate bars.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: Bunny's extremely healthy. You know what I mean? Like has
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: always been. Them Hoochok chocolate bars are so good. But
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: the problem is I don't know how to eat one.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: They're only 380 calories. But if there's five of them
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: in there, I will eat all five for sure. You
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? So some nights you leave me
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: a little half a bar out or something. You know
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like rations. Until I could control it.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: Until I knew that. And now my pantry is back full.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: Well, now you're addicted to the success of what you've
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: already accomplished, which is a good addiction.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's a good addiction.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: Being addicted to being healthy is the best addiction you
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: could find. Because I don't think you're going to get
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: out of the addiction mindset. I think what addiction is,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: I think there's a reason why it exists in the
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: human mind. And I think it exists because it's the
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: same thing as obsession and obsession allows you to be
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: a successful hunter. It's like hunters persistence. If you don't
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: have that obsessive drive, you won't keep going until you're succeeding.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: And if you do, if you do have that, you'll
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: feed your family. If you don't have that, everybody dies.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's like programmed into the human psyche. It's
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: programmed into the human mind. But it can be hijacked
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: by gambling. It could be hijacked by pornography. It could
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: be hijacked by video games. It could be hijacked by
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: a host of different things, drugs, alcohol, anything, food, fill
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: in the blank. I think that is where it happens.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: You get addicted to all kinds of things that are negative.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: Or you can get addicted to positive things. Meaningful conversations.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. Exercise. Sure. I'm addicted to meaningful conversations now.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: I used to be addicted to small talk.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: It's hard to find them.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: It's hard to find a good.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Stuff like this.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Like meaningful.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: Like rich. I'm searching for rich conversations. Even in my
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: relationships with my wife, like in my health, like our
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: conversations are getting deeper. Yes. You know what I mean?
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Like I never thought I could know this woman I
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: love so much better. But I'm getting to know her better.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Like we're getting deeper in the foxhole together. We're getting
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: deeper in the shadows of each other's crevices. It's like
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for that. I'm looking to pour into people, man.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: It's just, dude.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing about phones that makes it very difficult,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: you know, for people to have meaningful conversations because everybody's
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: so attached to their goddamn devices. Even when you're talking
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: to them, they're checking this and checking that. And you
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: feel like they're going, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's real. Oh, yeah.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: And they're just scrolling and half paying attention to you.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's hard. It's like one of the
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: things that I've said about this podcast is like one
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: of the most unexpected things about it is this education
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: that I've got in talking to people, not just like
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: listening to their stories and listening to whatever their expertise is.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: But it's also just the learning how to talk to people.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: Because you're sitting here for three hours or whatever it
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: is with no distractions and no interruptions. And because of that,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: you learn this sort of ebb and flow of human conversation.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's so hard to have a bad conversation.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: When I'm out with people that are bad at having conversations,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: to me, it's fucking painful. It's like, oh, God.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Ugh. It drives me crazy. Watching people talk over people,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: watching people that aren't listening, they're just waiting for their
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: time to talk.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: It's such a connection, man. And a lot of those
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: people that are missing that goes into the byproducts of
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: lack of connection are addiction, isolation, loneliness. These are the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: side effects of not connecting with people.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: And that phone has tricked us into thinking that we're
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: connecting with thousands of people. Right. And we're actually not
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: connecting with anybody.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: Not connecting with a single person.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: We're being more lonely and more comparative. It's a trap.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: It's a real trap because you're getting input. There's some input.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: There's some words that come from a person, I guess.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: But there's no human. Like, we're designed to talk to
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: each other this way. The spiritual fulfillment, the psychological fulfillment
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: that comes from talking to a human being and making
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: a genuine connection and understanding more about that person. And
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: then by also doing that, you understand more about yourself.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Like when someone reveals something to you that's very meaningful
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: and very intimate, like you go.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: Like what is it about? Why is that? Maybe I
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: could be better at that. Maybe I could do this
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: or maybe I can. Maybe I'm looking at myself the
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: wrong way or looking at people the wrong way. You know,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: and you just like this slow learning process of how
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: to interact with people better. And it's it's that's all.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: Kids today that are on their phone all day long,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: they're psychologically stunted. We're stunting their social growth and their development.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: Most kids today barely know how to communicate with each other.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Especially even long form like this, it's the ability to
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: really get, you don't really know how somebody feels about
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: something until you really get into a conversation, like a
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: real conversation. And these kids aren't having those conversations. It's
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: all in micro clips and micro spots. And me and
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: my daughter talk about this a lot. Cause lucky for,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: I was, I was blessed that she's a conversationalist. She's
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: kind of, she's like me. She will have a meaningful conversation.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm, I'm, but I look at my nine year old,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: who's a little younger than her. Obviously she's 17. My
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: daughter goes to college next year. And my nine year
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: old's a little different though. He doesn't, he communicates good,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: but he's still in that, you know, video game world.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Like he just, it's a different thing where Bailey is,
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: Still really appreciate to sit around. I don't know, man.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a household where I told you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: this story. My mom would sit at the kitchen table
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: and tell us stories like me. And you were talking
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: right now for hours. We had a JRE every night.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? You know, she'd smoke cigarettes
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: and tell stories. And it was just like super charming. And,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: you know, it's so my daughter grew up a lot
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: like that. And I'm really proud of that. She grew
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: up sitting in a room and having those kind of calmer,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: like real long form, because that's how you know how
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: you really feel about it's what therapy did for me, too.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: was whenever I quit doing things at a surface level.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: When it started going, yeah, that's cool, but, like, really,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: when was the first time you remember being fat?
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: I think people have a hunger for it, which is
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: why this emergence of long-form conversations into the zeitgeist has
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: been surprising to a lot of people. Because, you know,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: when I first started doing this podcast, one of the
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: funny things that Ari Shaffir always said to me that
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'll never let him live it down, because he was
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: always like, you got to edit your show.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: I go, why?
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: He goes, nobody wants to listen to three hours. I go,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: then don't listen. I don't care. I go, I'm doing
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: it for no money anyway. Back then, it was costing
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: me money. I was like, I'm just doing it for fun, man.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I put it out there. If they
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: don't want to listen to the whole thing, they don't
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: have to listen to the whole thing. There's another one
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: coming out in a couple days. Listen to that one.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: Listen to five minutes. I don't give a fuck.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: And he was like, you should edit it. It's going
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: to fuck up your show.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, whatever. And then now I'm like,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: remember when you told me that?
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: Ha ha.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think that people realize how many people
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: are starving for real conversation. You know, this is one
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why, like when that Kamala Harris thing
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: went down, where I had Trump on the podcast and
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris kept resisting coming on the podcast. They wanted
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: to do it for like 45 minutes. They wanted to
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: do it in a conference room with a bunch of
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: aides around. They wanted to do it in D.C., I
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: was like, no, no. It has to be here, and
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: it has to be three hours. She's got to sit
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: down because it takes a while to get inside someone's head.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: You could bullshit me for 40 minutes.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: Easy.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: For 40 minutes, you could have a bunch of canned
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: speeches and a bunch of shit you prepared and a
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit answers, but I'll ask you what you
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: like to cook. I'll ask you, like, do you exercise?
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: I'll ask you, what's your favorite book? I'll ask you, like,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different things. And then we'll start talking.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: We'll start talking about, like, did you ever think you
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: were going to be this person? Like, what led you here?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: Give me some real shit. Give me some real shit.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you can't. This is why I've always loved your
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: pod is that it's where I go find out who
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: people are.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: Because it's so easy, and I'm in the media, right,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: to go sit down for 20 minutes and.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: Like, Smile and dance.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: Smile, just get it out of the way. You know
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Top hat. Yeah, exactly. But it's like,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: you give me three hours with somebody, they got to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: show me who they are. Yeah. Somebody, Joe's going to
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: find out who this person is. You know what I mean? Like,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: he's going to, it's like, and that's back to like,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: because we don't know who we are until we start
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: having real conversations. Right. This goes back to what me
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: and you started with this, is that we don't know
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: who we are Until you started having real, I don't
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: know how it started, whether it was in the green
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: room with some of your comic friends. You were like, dude,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: we have the greatest conversations in here. We should do this.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, these are funny.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: But something happened where you recognize, like, this is rare
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: that people have conversations this funny, this good, but also
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: this cathartic. Like, there's moments we've laughed, we've cried. Like,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: it's every podcast of yours. You know what I mean?
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: Because you can't spend three hours with somebody and not
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: see the full dynamic human.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's a hunger that people have
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: for finding out that other people have similar thoughts to them.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: And maybe not even. Maybe different thoughts in similar situations.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: And that someone is at a better way of approaching something.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: And it's educational to your soul. There's something about it.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: We all want to pretend that we exist in a vacuum.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: And everybody wants to pretend they're a loner. And I'd
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: rather be alone. Like, shut up. No, you wouldn't. You'd
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: only rather be alone if the people around you suck.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: If the people around me suck, yeah, I'd rather be alone.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: But I have great friends. I like being around my friends.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: It's not shallow to want to be around a bunch
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: of awesome people. But there's this thought that we exist
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: on our own. And you don't. We're a collective thing.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: Like the human species itself is a hive. And it's
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: one of the things we're learning about the negative impacts
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: of that hive being connected to social media because you're
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: not really connecting with people. But we're also experiencing this
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: thing that's similar to a hive. And so there's a writer,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: Avi Levinowitz, who talks about this. And the way he
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: described it is that it's like processed food. You're getting
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: processed information. And instead of real information, like on social media,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: you're getting this processed thing that's boiled down with no
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: nutrients in it. But you keep consuming it because you're
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: so hungry because you're not getting the real thing. You're
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: just stuffing your face with stuffing your mind with process information.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's an apt way to put it because
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: that's really what's going on. It's like we all want
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: real connection. We're just worried. We're worried that someone's going
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: to reject us. We're worried that someone's going to be
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: rude to us. We're worried that someone's judging us, that
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: someone's going to think they're better than us or they're
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: going to think we lack or whatever it is. There's
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: a thing that we all hunger for. And I think
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, what they get, if they
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: don't have it near them, if they haven't done what
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: you've done and found a great group of friends, They
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: can get it through podcasts. They can get it through
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: people talking and communicating and being real and being interested
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: and being curious and learning and just being cool to
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: each other. And it's heartwarming. It's like it fills something
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: in you that we're missing because we're being poisoned by
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: these fucking devices.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: And we're only seeing these little snippets of people like,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: Back to the conversation, like we see comments, like a paragraph.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: And then people building entire thoughts around a paragraph. And
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: you don't even know what that dude's thought was. It's
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: just a paragraph on the Internet. You didn't actually talk
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: to that guy to see what that was. You know
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like it's that thing of like I
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: had it. I didn't plan on talking about this, but
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: it's a perfect time because I learned such a lesson
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: in it. I was on my laptop one day on Instagram.com.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: And it was the day of the Dove Awards, which
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: is a Christian music awards. And I had a gospel
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: song get nominated for a Grammy this year.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: What's it called? The Dove Awards?
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: The Dove, D-O-V-E Awards.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: Dove Awards?
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: And it's like the Christian Grammys.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: It's been around for a long time, Gospel Music Association.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: I did a song with a Christian artist this year
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: named Brandon Lake. It's called Hard Fought Hallelujah. I got
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: to sing it at the Vatican, Joe.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: I got to sing this. Will you pull that clip, Jamie,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: of me at the Vatican?
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: You sang at the Vatican?
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: I sang in St. Peter's Square, Joe.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: First live concert ever in St. Peter's Square, right outside
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: of St.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: Peter's.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 4: St.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: Peter's Basilica was our, this is it.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: Right here, watch.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: St. Peter's Basilica is fucking amazing.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: Look, that's the basilica right there. I got goose, look
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: at that. That's the square, Bubba. That's Vatican City. Look
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: I will tell you.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: Biasly, it might have been my best vocal performance of
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: my career.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: Look at that, Joe.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: But you're already losing weight by then.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. This was about six months ago.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: Shows you how much I've lost since then.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: You look like a different person even now to then.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Dude, what's funny, when you're 500 pounds, you lose 20 pounds,
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: you don't really see it. Look how beautiful that is. Dude,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: I went out to sound check, Joe. And of course,
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: y'all know I'm emotional by now, but. I couldn't even
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: get through sound check. I was crying so hard. But
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: watch this part right here. You'll see my hand shaking.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm shaking up there. You see it?
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: I am shaking. You see the mic? Watch the microphone
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: hand because it's the one that doesn't lie. Wow. Y'all
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: know that. The other one you can shake while you're
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: moving it. But the microphone hand, look at it.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Yeah, man.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. It was. Wow. And I'll tell you a story
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: I know I keep bringing up God things, but they
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: called me to do this. And it was Pharrell and
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: Andrea Bocelli put this together.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: And I love Pharrell. He's a dear, dear, became a
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: friend of my sweet guy. And I go, okay, cool.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: And I get there, and Teddy Swims is there, and
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: I love Teddy Swims.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: Teddy Swims is the dude, baby.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, that dude's got a voice. He's got a voice, dog.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. You had him on yet?
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: No, we've been talking, though. We're going to do it.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: Please, his next album, at least. Bring him for his next.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: He's a good conversation, too, man. I believe it. Sweet soul,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: little Georgia boy. Just southern as collard greens. You're going
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: to love him. He's just like me.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: He reminds me of you a lot.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: He's the sweetest.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: That motherfucker can sing his ass off.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: It's not fair. It's not fair. I want him singing
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: with Bocelli. I mean, if you're standing next to Bocelli
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: and you've got a voice, think about that. So I
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: get there and I'm like, all right, so what's the
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: story here? Everybody was either singing with Pharrell or Bocelli
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: but me. I was the only person in that whole
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: event that was singing alone. So I get super nervous.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why did I end up alone? You know
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? I was like, I was like, oh shit.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: If Brandon Lake couldn't make it for some reason, I
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: was like, this is bad. I've never been more nervous.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: I go out for sound check. I'm bawling, crying. And
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, this is so crazy. And then I
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: walk out and I'm like, when I go to do it,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: right before I go out, they come to me and go, hey,
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson's going to come out at the very end
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: and do Hallelujah with you. Or just do Hallelujah. You
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: just praise for a minute while she does it. I
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: was like the Jennifer Hudson. They were like, yeah. I
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: was like, so Jennifer Hudson walks over to me. I
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: love her. She goes, all right, what do you want?
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: She's so sweet. She's like, I'm open for notes. You
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: got any suggestions? It's one of the greatest female vocalists ever.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: I do not have a suggestion. We'll start there. I
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: am Jennifer. I'm embarrassed. You have to sing near me.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and she goes, and then it hit
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: me and I looked at her and I'll never forget
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: this moment. She goes, what do you think we should do?
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: I said, we give them Jesus. I said, I think
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm here alone. I think, you know, I'm
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: the one that's supposed to bring Jesus here. Like, I
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: know it's a Jesus thing, obviously, but like, we're supposed,
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: this is supposed to be a, she grew up in
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: the South too. She grew up Chicago. You know, she
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: grew up Midwest. And I go, this is supposed to
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: be the church we grew up in, Jennifer. She was like,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: that's all I needed to hear. Oh, Joe. Just when
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: I had the best vocal performance of my life, Jennifer
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: Hudson comes out and takes them to church. We, it's
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: a full praise and worship at that point. 200 choir members,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: hands up in the sky. We're in front of St.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: Peter's facility. They're worshiping out there, dude. Hands are in
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: the sky, dude. It was, Watch it after the show
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: if you can. It's worth five minutes. It'll make you
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: tear up a little bit, dude.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: It's making me tear up right now.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: It was, oh, dude, it was such a Jesus moment.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: I even started, I'm looking at the card and I'm going,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight?
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: Can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight?
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm just, you can see the veins in my face, Joe.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't remember it.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: I just was just there. You know what I mean?
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Like it's just, I just literally cried. Look, right then,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: and this is where Jennifer Hutchins is going to come out. Wow.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: There's people lined up in the street, too.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: This is wild. Oh, dude, what you don't see is
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: the only reason you don't see people on the side
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: streets is because they finally got rid of them. When
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: it first opened, there was, like, all over Rome. You
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: just could not move. Like, 600,000, 700,000 people were down
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: there trying to see this thing. It was the first
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: time they'd ever done live music at the Vatican. That's crazy.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: I could not believe I got that call, Joe. And
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: then when I got there, I was, I just kept
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: being more confused. I was like, hold on. I'm the
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: only one that's not singing with the two people that
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: put this event together.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: Literally the only artist.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: Cause Jennifer Hudson sang with them. Teddy swang with them.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, what am I here for? You know
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? I just could not figure it out.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: I never had more imposter syndrome. And I prayed and
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, God, I cuss.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: I smoke. I am.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: I don't. How am I, how am I being a
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: vessel here? Like, I don't like, and then that's whenever
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: I was just, I heard it just so clear. Like, dude, just,
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: just open your hands. Just, yeah. Got you.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: I want to play you something. So you remember that
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: Craig Morgan moment where you talked about it when you
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: were on stage at the Opry?
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, almost home.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: It's one of the coolest nights ever.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: Let's play that. I want to play that because we're
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: going to show you something. I'm going to show you something.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: That was a really powerful moment because you were talking
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: about how– You would listen to that song in prison,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, and how you went to the Opry and
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: you sat there. I think you were in the seventh row.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: Seventh row? Exactly where I was, sixth or seventh. I
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: was right back there, stage left.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: And you talked about it when you were on stage,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: the first time you were ever on stage at the Opry.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I want to play that first, and we're going to
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: play you something else.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, dude.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: Do you have it, Jamie? You want me to send
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: it to you?
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yo, while you're looking that up, can I do something
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: right quick?
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Because I'm in love. My wife's got a book coming out.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Everybody's called Stripped Down. It's coming out in February. She
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: finally wrote her life story. I've never been more proud
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: of a human in my life, y'all. I'm so proud
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: of you, baby.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: In February. You deserve this, girl. Beautiful.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: I brought you a copy. It took me 36 years
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: to make it to the stage. Big jelly. 500 pounds.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: Look at the size of it.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: Tonight is the most special night of my life.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 5: We're going to sing y'all some music for the soul
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 5: from the soul. This song is called Son of a Sinner, baby.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: You got that plaque. I never get lonely.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 5: I got these goals to keep me company. I took
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 5: the rear view off of this old Ford.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: I only see one thing.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be more honest than I probably should be.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 5: In 2008, I was incarcerated in a local penitentiary. I
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 5: had made some horrible decisions.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: I found strength in music.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: Get it, Charlie!
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: Charlie! Charlie!
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: Charlie!
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• 2:24:04
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  Speaker 4: Charlie!
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  Speaker 2: Charlie!
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  Speaker 5: Charlie I remember sitting in my jail bunk when I
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 5: knew she was born and thinking I had to do
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 5: something to change my life. I came home and I
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 5: pursued the dream of music by selling mixtapes and t-shirts
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 5: out of the trunk of my car. Right here in Nashville, Tennessee.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 5: I married my best friend. We have full custody of
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 5: that 13-year-old now. And in that jail cell, I found
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 5: strength in country music. I used to listen to Craig
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  Speaker 5: Morgan sing Almost Home in my jail cell and think,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to change my life when I get home.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 5: I came home and Googled Craig Morgan live performance, and
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 5: he was right here at the Grand Ole Opry. I
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 5: sat right there with that man with the ball cap,
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 5: and the seventh row back on this row is sitting.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: No line.
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  Speaker 5: I watched Craig Morgan and cried. For those of y'all
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 5: that don't know, I make music.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: For the broken.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 5: I make music for the have-nots and the lost causes
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 5: in life, the ones that have been through something and
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 5: overcame it. If you haven't been that person, you know
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 5: somebody who has, and I represent that person. I want
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 5: to dedicate this song to everybody who's ever felt worthless
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 5: and found their way out of that dark place.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: This record is certified gold. It is called Save Me.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you. We love you, Kelly!
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: Somebody save me.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: Me from myself I spent so long Living in chaos
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: They say my lifestyle It's bad for my health. It's
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: the only fact that seems to help. All of this
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: drinking and smoking is hopeless.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: But feel like it's all that I need.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: There's a porter.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: Brian from Zanus. dorfman baby.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: What is it like seeing yourself dude what is it
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: like seeing yourself that big and seeing yourself in that
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: Huge moment.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: One, I love you, man.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: You tricked me again.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: I thought we were getting off the pod, so I
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I just want to shout my wife's
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: book out right quick. And then you were showing me
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: a video.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you something else, too. I didn't
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: think I'd make it, Joe. I'm going to show you this.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: My buddy.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: Give me some volume.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: Congratulations on all the great things happening in your career.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: And to thank you for the positive difference you're making
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: in the lives of so many people who need the help.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: You're doing great work, buddy. And I'll never forget meeting
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: you on the Grand Ole Opry and how much it
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 4: meant to me to hear you say my music helped
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: you get through some really tough times. That's one thing
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: country music does really well. And who would have ever
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 4: dreamed back then that I'd be back at the Opry
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: house today to say, Jelly Roll, you're officially invited to
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: become a member of the Grand Ole Opry. It's an
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 4: honor to say welcome to the family, brother.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: He wanted to play that for you when you're here.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: Have a hug.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I love you too.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: I love you too, brother. Hey, Joe, that's like, you
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: don't get no bigger in country music, Bubba. It's as
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: big as a kiss, yo. You know what? Fucking grand
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: old Offrey dog. Oh, dude, I used to buy tickets
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: to go there. And I remember, man, I cried a
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: lot on this pod. It's okay. I Googled, um, Craig
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: Morgan I heard almost home in jail. And you've heard
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: the song, right? It's like the most tear-jerking song about
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: a homeless man. And it just reminded me of jail.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: No matter where you are, the mind's strong. I came
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: home and the song meant so much. I was like,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: Craig Morgan live. It's like Grand Ole Opry house. And
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'll go. I could barely afford tickets.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: I think I talked to some girl in the bottom
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: for me. I went and sat by myself. I had
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: an ankle bracelet on. So the show went off at 9.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: I had to be home at 9. So I was like,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: if he's the last one, I'm screwed. And he comes
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: out and sings Almost Home. And I had, I'm not bullshitting,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: I'd maybe cried 10 times in my life at that point.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: And I cried.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: I cried. I cried like I'm crying here now. And
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, man, I want to make people what,
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they made me a member of the
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: Hopper Dog. I want to make people feel the way
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: he makes me. That's what I want to do.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you've done that, man. You've done it, brother.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: I did it, Joe. Man, that's crazy, Joe.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. Fuck.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude. I bet I'm the first person that ever
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: got invited to the Randall Loprell podcast. That's awesome. Oh, sorry.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: Let's see it for a second. I just figured.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: You did it, brother.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: You did what you wanted to do. That feeling that
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: he gave you, you've given to many, many people. It's
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: an incredible gift. There's so few people in life that
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: have touched people the way you've touched people.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe, man. What a dream, dude. I used
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: to write on my vision board when my wife first
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: got together that your podcast was the number one thing
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do every year. Because I always felt
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: like I'd have a Joe Dirt.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: Moment on here, you know?
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: I always felt like somewhere I'd be sitting here telling
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: my story and the world would.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: Be tuning in, you know?
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: And to be, fuck the fact that I'm on your podcast.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: In fact, you're my friend, dude.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: I love you, brother.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: I love you, brother. Thank you, man. Of course, thanks
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: for letting me on the podcast. But I just never
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: thought this was a journey, dude. I thought I'd die
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: young or I thought I'd kill myself. I didn't think
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: I was going to be able to figure it out.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: You figured it out and you're figuring it out more
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: Every day, brother.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: And I think through that other people are as well.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: They're figuring out their life. For sure. Just through your songs,
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: through your words, through your acts, through your deeds, through
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: your life, through the way you've chosen this new path.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. You're changing people's lives.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: I hope, man.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: You are. You are changing people's lives. I will tell
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: you 100% without doubt, you're changing people's lives and you're
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: enriching people's lives by being you, by being a real
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: person going through a real life moment. You know, and
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: doing it the right way.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Slow.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: It's not easy.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't have to be easy.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: Telling the truth ain't always fun.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. It's not supposed to be easy. If
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: it was easy, it wouldn't be so fun. Gratifying, though, man. Yeah.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: Dude. God, Joe, man. A member of the Grand Ole Opry, dog.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: My name on the sheet, bubba. When you come in
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: the back of the Grand Ole Opry, they have them all.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm shaking, Joe, like when that deer was in
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: his stand.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: They have these plaques that they put the name on,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: and the first wall has only got two rows left
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: of plaques.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: I played there a couple months ago, and I remember looking, going,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: thinking to myself, the negative guy in me was like, fuck,
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be on the new wall. If I
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: ever make it, it won't be on this one. You
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? You know, it's just like, even then,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: I was having a moment where I was like, if
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: they ever actually, you know, I never thought, like, when
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: Jordan and Jen invited me to the Grand Ole Opry,
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: I never thought that would happen. I never thought that.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: I'd be allowed to play the Grand Ole Opry. You
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah. And then to be a
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: member of it, and I'll never forget watching Luke Combs
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: when they asked him to be a member. I think
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: it's the first time I ever seen Luke emotional, you know?
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: And I just remember being like, nah, it'll never happen.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: Just like I remember looking at Cam like, I'll never
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: be able to run a 5K. You know what I mean?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Like, man, I don't know what can happen, dude, man.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: If God gets involved, you have a little humility, I
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: think the rest can work itself out, Joe. You know
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: Amazing things can happen if you live your life true.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Ooh, baby. Amazing things can happen if you live
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: your life true. Well, I know you don't leave Texas much,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: but you're going to come see me at the Opry
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: sometime now?
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. 100%.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: You got to come see me now that I'm a member, dude.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: 100%. I get to close the show.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: I get to send my mail there now, too. Wow.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: Legally.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, dude. All the OGs got their mail there,
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: Johnny and them.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: It was really, really cool. It's like a super legend there.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. It's crazy. Somebody wants to write me a letter,
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: send it to the Grand Ole Opry.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: Man, I didn't even dream of it. God will make
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: things bigger than your dreams. Somebody out there right now
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: is dreaming of something, and it's too small. Dream bigger, baby.
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: Dream bigger, baby. You know what I mean? That's it.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up. That was a perfect way to
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: end this. I love you, brother.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: It's been amazing.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 4: Bye, everybody.