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Tigers Lukewarm At Winter Meetings · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of.
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  Speaker 2: Territory, a Detroit Tiger's podcast's part of the Battle Territory Network.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Karen Steckley, with me as always as a man
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  Speaker 2: who is considerably hotter than the snows at America Park
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  Speaker 2: this winter.
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  Speaker 1: He is Cody Stapenhagen.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing doing all right?
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  Speaker 4: It's been a little colder than I bargained for here
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  Speaker 4: at winter meetings in Dallas, and the hotel is very cold.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, when you see there's snow on the
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  Speaker 4: ground in Detroit, it's like, not the worst time to
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  Speaker 4: get away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw.
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  Speaker 2: We were recording this Thursday night, a day later because
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to make sure there's you know, maybe something
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  Speaker 2: else may happen or whatever. As of now, this is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a mood point, but we were anticipating the possibility,
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  Speaker 2: so we wanted to be able to talk about things
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  Speaker 2: that are fresh. And to Scott Harris's credit, he did
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  Speaker 2: not give us all that much fresh. We'll we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that too, all right, because that's a He kind
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  Speaker 2: of addresses that too when he talks to the media again.
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  Speaker 1: To his credit, to his credit, I.
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  Speaker 2: Had a good time hanging out winter meetings in the PM.
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  Speaker 2: So it was great to hang out with my boy.
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  Speaker 1: Cody.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get to do that as much as obviously I
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  Speaker 2: would like living, you know, you know, in the in
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  Speaker 2: the South, if you would, while you're over there in
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  Speaker 2: the glorious Midwest. So it's been a good time. A
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  Speaker 2: little programming. Note two, we met up with Austin Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: We have an episode that we will do here very
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  Speaker 2: shortly as sort of his introduction in the Tiger territory.
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  Speaker 2: So I want you guys to be onble the lookout
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  Speaker 2: for that as the holiday. We're gonna have episode before Christmas,
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  Speaker 2: all right, so make sure that we are part of
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  Speaker 2: your holiday routine because, let's be honest, you're probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: want to escape it for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Let us be that escape, all right, to the nitty gritty.
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  Speaker 2: The headline, if you would, Cody, of Winter meetings was
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers signed a starting pitcher, which we all knew
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  Speaker 2: that they would, and we were kind of like, we
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  Speaker 2: did this ex I say we mainly you did this
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  Speaker 2: exercise where it's like, all right, I'm a put on
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  Speaker 2: my Scott Harris mad and I'm gonna like examine the
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  Speaker 2: markets and you had some great ideas. I thought they
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  Speaker 2: all made a lot of sense. This one did not
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  Speaker 2: make the cut. That's okay, that's why we're doing what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing, and they're doing what they're doing. Alex Cobb
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  Speaker 2: is officially a Detroit Tiger. He signs a one year
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  Speaker 2: deal for fifteen million dollars. There's a million dollar incentives
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  Speaker 2: for the one forty and the one fifty innings pitch plateau,
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  Speaker 2: something that is not all that recent on his resume.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't really pitch all that much last year for
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  Speaker 2: injury reasons. But Alex Cobb is a Tiger, and that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of the headline of the week so far, and
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  Speaker 2: that is where we will start. So, Cody, your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: when you saw the news, you talked to the brass
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  Speaker 2: actually early today you even talked to Alex, Your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on on the cops signing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex, Scott definitely had not really been one my
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  Speaker 4: radar so long. Again, despite my best efforts on this one,
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  Speaker 4: I feel a little bad I kind of just dis
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  Speaker 4: missed him because it's like, Okay, he's thirty seven and
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  Speaker 4: he's had a ton of injuries. Like I thought that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Scott Harris signing him. But the Giants thing
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  Speaker 4: was slightly interesting, but it was like that it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: really seem like a thirty seven year old broken guy
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  Speaker 4: is going to be their profile, especially when it's all
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  Speaker 4: about optimization. Only the guys were easier to tweak are
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  Speaker 4: going to be somewhat younger pitchers. That was at least
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  Speaker 4: why I didn't spend much time researching Alex Cobb, you know,
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  Speaker 4: prior to this signing. Now they signed him what fifteen mil.
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  Speaker 4: That's what catches people's eyes. That's a lot of cash.
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  Speaker 4: That's also this market, and I think one a one
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  Speaker 4: year deal, the AAV doesn't really matter, but that's a
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  Speaker 4: steep price for a guy who through sixteen innings last season.
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  Speaker 4: And I think there's this uproar like Alex Scott really,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the fans generally speaking wanted They wanted Walker Bueler,
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  Speaker 4: and Walker Wheeler is a very talented guy. But then
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  Speaker 4: you know, I kind of stepped back and was like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so Alex Scott, you know, pretty good track record when
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  Speaker 4: he's healthy, He's been a solid, stable pitcher. He's going
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  Speaker 4: to bring veteran leadership. Everyone I talked to in the
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  Speaker 4: league this week. Writers, you know, other team personnel are like,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to love this guy. He is a great
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  Speaker 4: human being. And then it's like, okay, well you want
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  Speaker 4: that or why does everyone love Walker Bueler so much?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I like him, he's got it done him,
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  Speaker 4: potential in his arm, but he didn't pitch two years ago.
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  Speaker 4: He had a five three eight R this year. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't exchange with with one other writer and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, Cob, he's not Walker Buehler. But the
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  Speaker 4: guy goes, oh, so he's actually going to be good.
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  Speaker 4: So you know there's some movie Walker Bueler that way.
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  Speaker 4: Just because Walker Bueler plays for a high profile team
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  Speaker 4: and his pitching the postseason, I don't think that means
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  Speaker 4: that the ox cop signing is terrible. It's not getting people.
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  Speaker 4: Jazz not gonna sign season tickets. You're gonna get it
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  Speaker 4: back into the rotation starter who is a good clubhouse guy.
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  Speaker 4: If he can stay healthy, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: completely solid pitcher. Tigers think they have some things in
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  Speaker 4: mind to get a little bit more out of them,
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  Speaker 4: get a little more swing and miss. That's another thing
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  Speaker 4: I did not like about them, But very low walk rates,
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  Speaker 4: very high ground ball rates, throws a split platoon neutral,
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  Speaker 4: those are things that Tigers like, and Alex Scott does
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  Speaker 4: check those boxes. So I give it a you know,
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  Speaker 4: I give it a real nice B, a real strong B.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember what then I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: we said it, but the grade for Flairty at the time,
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  Speaker 2: like you're.
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  Speaker 4: Probably I don't think I gave it a grade, but
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  Speaker 4: probably would have been like.
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  Speaker 3: A C minus.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, here's the thing about cop Like the
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  Speaker 2: things that are sexy for these kind of free agent
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  Speaker 2: signings like not don't necessarily check the boxes with KYP.
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  Speaker 2: So he's gonna be in his age thirty seven season,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not very sexy. He has, though he had
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  Speaker 2: the two years in San Francisco, which is a part
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  Speaker 2: of this transaction if you think about it, and it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of been said, and then like you there were
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  Speaker 2: some years that he just in terms of output, just
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  Speaker 2: he just didn't give you anything. So like in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one, ninety three innings, we throw out twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: But for the record, he pitched fifty two innings twelve
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  Speaker 2: innings in twenty nineteen and then twenty eighteen he had
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  Speaker 2: the one to fifty plateau other than his two years
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco. Like there's a gap there of him
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  Speaker 2: actually being available forever that's worth. And then obviously you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned last year with the with the different injuries and
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  Speaker 2: they were This is where, in my opinion, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anybody's really talking about it. This is where sort
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  Speaker 2: of the sports science element of the Tigers is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be up just as key as the actual pitching lab
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  Speaker 2: because he's he's got those injuries that become worse because
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  Speaker 2: the body is not moving in Unison, right, So it's
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  Speaker 2: like lower.
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  Speaker 4: Body, he's a surgery. You know, that's more concerning in
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  Speaker 4: some ways than the norm.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and and you know I think about this all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator Mike Yoursich. Everything
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  Speaker 2: affects everything. And then the pitching motion that's more true
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  Speaker 2: probably than on the football field. So like there's there's
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  Speaker 2: elements there. And then the price point. No one actually
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  Speaker 2: cares Cody, in my opinion, about one year deal like money, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: even if you're one of those spend spend, spend spend guys,
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  Speaker 2: Like no one really cares.
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  Speaker 1: It's one year. Who gives who gives a rip.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I think the perception of all right, sign out, Cobb
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  Speaker 2: fifteen million. Please don't tell me this is your version
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  Speaker 2: of spending. You know, it's kind of like it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like in the office when Michael Scott has the
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  Speaker 2: big surprise and he brings the ice cream sandwiches, and
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  Speaker 2: Stanley's like, it's not the.
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  Speaker 1: Big surprise, is it? You know, And that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like the cops signing.
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  Speaker 2: Metaphorically, it doesn't mean he can't be good, doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: all those intangible stuff we know that, like that that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be valuable for this team.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. But at the same time, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't feel like a move that, as I've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: was one of those elevation type moves where a team
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  Speaker 2: of this status doesn't mean it can't be valuable and
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna do their work on them and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: But it does it does not match sort of like
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  Speaker 2: that emotional threshold. Now, I will say this though, at
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  Speaker 2: least this is not a signing that we're here talking
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  Speaker 2: about we've spent about five minutes on or whatever. This
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  Speaker 2: is at least not a signing that we're saying all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, come late July, you know what are you
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  Speaker 2: gonna get for Alex Cops. So in a way that
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  Speaker 2: there is there organizational progress.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the more interesting kind of downstream
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  Speaker 4: effects of this is like Tigers came out and said
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  Speaker 4: they're not really seeking another starting pitcher, which somewhat surprised
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  Speaker 4: when when I saw, you know that the signing was Cob,
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  Speaker 4: that was a one year deal.
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  Speaker 3: Look, they have plenty of rotation.
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  Speaker 4: Came that spring training is going to be really interesting
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  Speaker 4: in that regard, But do you feel great about any
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  Speaker 4: of them beyond Derek Scugle and Reesulsen. You're gonna have School,
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna have Olsen, You're gonna have Cob, like you're
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  Speaker 4: not ken to mind it has probably coming to spring
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  Speaker 4: training as a starter. And then you're gonna have my
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  Speaker 4: his man named Madden, Herder, cater Montero who's probably not
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  Speaker 4: being talked about enough, and some other guys kind of
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  Speaker 4: all battling it out for one spot, assuming they do
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  Speaker 4: not add any more pitching. And we'll talk about a
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  Speaker 4: certain international pitcher here in just a second. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, I wouldn't hate it if they still were
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  Speaker 4: trying to sign Walker Dealer or Jack Flaherty, But it
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  Speaker 4: does not seem like that is the team's intention.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to me like you got to have some
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable conversations, like this is a team right now that
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  Speaker 2: is as glorious as that playoff run was. In order
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  Speaker 2: to advance, some uncomfortable conversations are going to have to
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  Speaker 2: be had. And the sign pitching like sort of in
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  Speaker 2: house options like those are gonna be some some tough
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  Speaker 2: conversations there.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: At the same time, Tigers had the best you are
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  Speaker 4: in baseball from August versus one and one thing Alex
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  Speaker 4: Cops said today like he goes, like, I heard this
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  Speaker 4: from other players and then I experienced it myself when
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  Speaker 4: I met with the Tigers. Their pitch pun intended to
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  Speaker 4: pitchers is just a little bit different, he said, different data,
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  Speaker 4: a better language of explaining things and how they think
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  Speaker 4: they can help you. And we've already seen the fruits
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  Speaker 4: of this, and it's increasingly clear that Tigers do know
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  Speaker 4: what they are doing with pitching, So maybe there's no
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  Speaker 4: real need for them to.
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  Speaker 3: Do more resources to that part of their walk up.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and again, like at like the fifteen Like the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen million part like plays in the perception of like
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  Speaker 2: like it doesn't feel like a by low spot on
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  Speaker 2: Alex Cobb that like they're going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: you know, get so much out.
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  Speaker 1: Of you know what I mean, Like again, what does
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  Speaker 1: it matter?
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  Speaker 2: Like nothing really, but that's all it is right now
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  Speaker 2: as we sit here December twelfth, Like it's all speculation
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  Speaker 2: and kind of is just like you know, seeing like
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  Speaker 2: what you know, the direction of whether you're kind of
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  Speaker 2: making winter headlines, which Scott Harris I'm pretty sure has
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  Speaker 2: said this before and on it this week, like you
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  Speaker 2: don't care about winter headlines. He doesn't even view Winter
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  Speaker 2: Meetings as he but what do you say? It was like,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the end of the road, it's.
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  Speaker 4: They used to he said, we get seduced by the
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  Speaker 4: idea that Winter Meetings is a finish line of this
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  Speaker 4: ever seductive Winter Meetings and really it's not even the
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  Speaker 4: halfway point. I mean, he is absolutely right. This is
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  Speaker 4: one reason Winter Meetings still exists. It is a time
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  Speaker 4: and what can be a wiet winner where suddenly there's
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  Speaker 4: media attention on the game and look, some big things
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  Speaker 4: happen one Sodo sign, next Freet sign, There's some other
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  Speaker 4: some other normal moves.
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  Speaker 3: Kroshet gets traded.
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  Speaker 4: But we still got a while to go here, so
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  Speaker 4: we got a lot to get to. Maybe we should
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  Speaker 4: move on to one Roki Sasaki because in the most
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  Speaker 4: un Scott Harris thing ever, he just came out and said, no,
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  Speaker 4: we want this guy. Not used to having direct direct
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  Speaker 4: talks with the Tigers president of Baseball operations like that
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  Speaker 4: in regard to targets and interests and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: But Sasaki has been posted.
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  Speaker 4: I think the question becomes, we know the Tigers want them.
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  Speaker 4: Saki's agent, Joe Wolf said some very interesting things like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he a mid market might be good for him. It's
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  Speaker 4: less media pressure because this guy's under under been under
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  Speaker 4: a lot of scrutiny from the Japanese press. It's been
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  Speaker 4: really hard on him mentally. Blah blah blah. So that
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  Speaker 4: kind of raised your eyebrows. Is there any substance so
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  Speaker 4: that who knows? Clearly the Tigers want them? Clearly their
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  Speaker 4: motivated money is not an issue here. He's capped because
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  Speaker 4: he'll be coming as on a minor league contract. The
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  Speaker 4: most he can get most likely, like no team has
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  Speaker 4: more than about seven point five million to play with
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  Speaker 4: unless they make some trades and acquire more bonus pool money.
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  Speaker 4: Now a complicating factor, our team's going to break existing unofficial,
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  Speaker 4: technically illegal handshake deals with their international prospects. Tiger's just
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  Speaker 4: happened to have what's expected to be about a three million,
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  Speaker 4: three point five ish million commitment with Chris Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 3: I think is ranked number four on a lot of boards.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be their biggest and best international signing
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  Speaker 4: in a long time. And I've been told that they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to break that commitment. So that does ding
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  Speaker 4: perhaps what they could potentially offer to Sasaki. Joe Wolf,
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  Speaker 4: the agent said, you know, we're not necessarily worrying too
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  Speaker 4: much about that. They're thinking long term. They're thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: he comes here, get to this bonus whatever. In three years,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get him paid big time. So that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily take the Tigers out of it. But I
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  Speaker 4: think that's what everyone wants to know, Like these guys
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  Speaker 4: have a real shot and tough to know. Without knowing
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  Speaker 4: what Sasaki's preferences are, I still lean toward like they
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  Speaker 4: can have a compelling pitch, they can play ball financially.
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  Speaker 4: Still hard to see Roki Sasaki choosing the Detroit Tigers
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  Speaker 4: over twenty nine other teams in my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's hard to envision that. But as
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to like get my point across about being
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  Speaker 2: like too repetitive, but if there was an environment that
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  Speaker 2: would result in the Tigers getting this world class talent,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: it's everything here where your best asset is not your
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  Speaker 2: checkbook basically, and honestly, they are at the at the
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  Speaker 2: top ish of teams with money available.
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  Speaker 1: So even with the you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, commitments, notwithstanding just in general with the pool money
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  Speaker 2: like they're they're in the top tier. So if you
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  Speaker 2: think that this is your superpower, and shout out Dan Hasey,
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  Speaker 2: who I had the opportunity to meet at at Winter meetings,
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  Speaker 2: that was awesome. But if this is your superpower, this
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  Speaker 2: is how you exercise your superpower, you know what I mean. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: there's never there will never be another opportunity to get
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  Speaker 2: a hyped international prospect like Sasaki than this right now.
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  Speaker 2: Because if it's a hitter, you can't sell the same way.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's if it's somebody who comes and I
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  Speaker 2: guess you would say, like the more traditional route that
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  Speaker 2: we're used to, then you're then you're in a bidding war.
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  Speaker 2: I mean know they don't want to be in a
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  Speaker 2: bidding war. So like I was, I did love this.
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  Speaker 2: See Scott Harris like say, I mean he had to
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  Speaker 2: be more casual as like every team in baseball wants them.
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  Speaker 1: But you should.
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  Speaker 2: It's been like, yeah, we want them, and I think
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  Speaker 2: if like we can present as good an opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: him as any team, if not better, And which is
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  Speaker 2: more or less true if you believe in the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: brass and and what they what they've done with pitching.
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  Speaker 2: Who shout Chris Fetter who just got named the assistant
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  Speaker 2: coach of the Year by I.
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  Speaker 1: Believe Baseball in America.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, there.
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  Speaker 2: You go, like you know the guy you're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: working most closely with, Like you just got named the
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  Speaker 2: best assistant coach in baseball, so like you know, boom,
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  Speaker 2: Like who else can say that?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody? So real shot.
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  Speaker 2: They have to have a real shot because what it
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  Speaker 2: could be bs. But the agent's like, yeah, market doesn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily matter. He doesn't have to be in the shadow
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  Speaker 2: of an Otawani.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe he doesn't want to go quite East Coast.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes that's the thing you know with uh, with players
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  Speaker 2: from from Japan.
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  Speaker 1: And they have a I know they've addressed like does
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  Speaker 1: he know my ada?
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  Speaker 2: But there is a actual blueprint for taking care of
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: international players from Asia that is technically existing on the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Tigers right now. So it's not something they have to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: theoretically say they can do. They are actively doing it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: It's good that they've done it before.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure Kintamata is a reveting success story, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: it also.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Seems about the like how you handle everything, yeah, like yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: It also seems like Sasaki is not really like close
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: with Kintamata, I think, and this is not reporting, this
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: is just like A said, most people in the league
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: still seem to think he's just going to go to
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers. If he doesn't, I think the number two
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: destination might just be the Seattle Mariners, who also know
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: what they're doing in terms of pitching East Coast, be
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: a little closer to Japan. They have the each row tie.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: You know what's I'm sure the Tigers will make a
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: compelling pitch, but it's going to be interesting on how
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: they're going to really sell Roki Sasaki to say you
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: should come here. You can come anywhere, and you should
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: come here to Detroit.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: They have a case.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I am still not optimistic that they'll ultimately went out.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: So speaking of cases that we're not sure about ultimately winning, now, uh,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: we have a few of those. So obviously you mentioned
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: earlier the big the big domino to fall, and there
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: have been a couple of other big dominoes that had
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: gone on before. But Wan Soto is now officially a
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: New York met so nobody has to play the winning game.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Scott hair or Scott Harris, Scott Boris doesn't have to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: uh divert attention away from his other millions or his
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: firm other millions of clients that they got over there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Bregman becomes all of a sudden one of the biggest
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: fish in the pond, and it feels like to me,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like I'm going through like weird emotions
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in my head Cody, where I'm like, logically speaking, if
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: whatever he's asking for is probably not gonna be great,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: especially at the end.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: However, like the more I just kind of sit on
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: like yeah, but.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: You kind of you have a decent opportunity to bring
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in Alex Bregman, who does this this, this, this, this
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and and and and intangibly is this this this this this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to like stomach like really being
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: on the sidelines. And of course, because it's the Hairs regime,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: we have no actual idea about whether they're in the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: playing field or not because everyone just kind of lumps
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: them in there because of the Hitch connection. But but like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but to me, like I do think it becomes more realistic.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I think that, but I think
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it there is a world where it is more realistic
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for him to join the Tigers if certain things happen,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like sort of outside of their control, outside of Bregmant's control.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, so got feeling.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, the reporting that's out there is not
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: much more than smoke.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Like I think the Tigers are in on him. Does
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that mean they will win out? Probably not.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: But I think I was just opening for it. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: think the Tigers should get out Bregmant whatever he wants.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: If you're not going to spend now, when are you
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: going to spend all this when the time is right?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: You're coming off.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: A surprise playoff appearance.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: You say you need a right handed bat, you say
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: you want veteran leadership. This is your like, this is
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: the guy. This guy checks every box. He's a good defender,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: he can hit.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, long term deals are a little bit scary, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: if you want to win a World Series, you're gonna
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: have to be able to make one or two of these.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: At some point you should be under no financial limitations.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: It seems like the Tigers don't want to go up
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: to the two hundred million mark that Bregman is seeking.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Astros want to go there either.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Is he really the Yankees' top choice? Does that open
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the door for the Red Sox? Like so, I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: there's a where the Tigers are very much in in
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: this room.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: But I think they're hoping that these other teams just
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: kind of bow out and the price tag comes down.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: That's kind of my sense for what's going on here,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: and the aj In factor that's not nothing, but was
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: probably gonna make the decision based on money, you know.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And why when? Why would?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And if if we're going on like emotional ties, then
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: like most likely Houston is going to be you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: above the Tigers on that list.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: There's a way that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Tigers can get them, though, pay up, give them what
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: these other teams aren't willing to give.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I said, I wanted to come away from winter meetings
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: with a sense.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Of whether the Tigers actually had any interest in playing
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: ball atop the market and the comments from from Scott
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Harris and Jeff Greenberg, where you know, kind of the
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: murky double talk as much as ever, if anything, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: got this. You know, there were no hints that suddenly
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: they want to be aggressive.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: So that's it's kind of my read on the situation
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Well, hell, I mean when you when you have Scott
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Harris saying, like, you know, the price of free agents
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, it's just I don't want to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: misquote him, but but basically he said that, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: it's it's getting kind of steep. It's getting expensive. Again,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: not directly quote him for the record, but it's getting expensive.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And that one observation is free agent prices continue to rise.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: It's at a pretty staggering rate, which is not a
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: crazy signal of the players. Plas Scott throw this in there,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: they definitely deserve it. Or what we've seen is that
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: the market is off to really fast paced.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So you make those comments, it's hard for me to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: imagine that you're in any anything that resembles a bittymore
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like like like yeah, and and look like his perspective
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is not inherently wrong, however, right like it's it's it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: just but but now now you kind of have to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: if you're a fan, if you're if you meet to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: fall on the team, you have to kind of like
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: move your scope a little bit where it's like, if
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: he's gonna say this just in general, then like you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine going for one of the top
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: three agents. And so then you start having all right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: now we have the beer laing and young thing and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, which he just real quick on Young.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: We we did get an update on him medically. He
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: uh he had a risk surgery. I believe it was right, risk,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: right risk, right, I.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Believe that's right. Okay, well, minor risk prestidure. He is
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: expected to be healthy for spring training.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So just for the record on that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Uh So, like again, Scott Harris has made this a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: domain of young players. He said that from day one
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't as and and then you know, it's kind
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of like people in an election year talking about inflation.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It's like the prices are going up. It's hard to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: imagine that he's he's going into the Redman waters. But
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you know, Alec Boom, he gets traded somewhere to some
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: team and then they're out of the sweep steakes. Like
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: those are the kind of things that maybe if the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: patient approach could work out, but I wouldn't necessarily make
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: on it. But I'm with you where it's like it
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: just there's so many reasons to do something in this case,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like sign Bregman is one of those reasons, and I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: think it would be a bane for the organization in
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: multiple facets.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: So yeah, a click update on some other third base options.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I've said this one before.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Alec Bohm.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: The Tigers don't seem to really like Alec Bohm. They're
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: not much interest there and are an Auto's we talked about.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: He has a no trade clause and he Detroit is
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't really want to come to Detroit,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: so right now they are not one that the teams
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: he would approve a deal to. I wonder if there's
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: a world where maybe no one else wants some and
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: AJ could call him up and get him on the phone.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: But right now, you want a real third baseman right now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the one guy, I mean, Hasslan Kim. I wonder if
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Hasslan Kim is going to be who they end up signing.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: You know, I think there's a lot of signals pointing
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: more in that direction. But that's that's kind of where
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: we're at.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll have some time to talk about Kim
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: as well, talk about the other corner, the other.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: The other becoming a timeless topic.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And and chances are it will remain for a while
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: unless uh, some huge move happens or somebody pops so
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we can that might be a topic forever, but we
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: might be able to retire the joke Cody about guys
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I get an opportunity to to to break in their
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: first basement because because we got Jay Hen and we
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: got Cold Keith, they're going to start doing some workouts, uh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you know, taking grounders at first place. Having the optionality
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: if you would. Uh, it's a great thing to do
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: in general, because there's literally no downside. Number one, Number two,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: if I was torqued, I would have a fire underneath
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: my ass so like and and that it probably shouldn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: be there anyway. But finally, finally it's like.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Can we like, I don't know, can we just celebrate
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: real quick?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: J Inn is going to take grounders at first base,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the most obvious thing ever, it's actually going to happen.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: That's just terrific and cold Keith.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, right when I gave up on the idea
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: that that would ever happen, he's now doing it sooner
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: than I would have expected. Welcome to the Tigers, baby.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: The justification from Scott Harris from aj H totally aligns
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: with thirty thos. It's all about the optionality. The example
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: that was that was kind of get in is like,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: so you got a writy on the mound, right sucks
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: against lefties, you can you can go in all left
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: handed Enfield. You know, if you move Colt over to first,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you could go mckinstreet, Sweeney, Young, cold Keith. So this
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: is also going to open some time. I think for
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Jase Young to go back to second, JN just give
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: them a viable path to a roster spot, maybe late
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: game substitutions. Maybe Colt could move from second to first
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and the guy like Andy A. Banias could play up
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: the middle for the defensive benefit. That seems to be
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the just to why they're doing it. Well, uh, you say,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you know, you do the you put it all on
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the whiteboard and connect the dots. And it still makes
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: me think that it shows the Tigers would like a
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: third basement, perhaps more than a first basement, because now
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: you got jan you got Colt, and you have one spencer.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And real quick, I like, I'm gonna until something happens,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have like this like Torque quote from Harris,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like in my mind from his availability, and I just
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I want I want the quote to be read. But
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, every time I hear him talk
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: about Torque, it's just me. I just feel like I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: don't know if he's loving, uh, loving what he's seeing
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and loving the fact that he was a one to one.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Like when you start saying phrases like he was a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: one one for a reason, right like that, like that
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you could hate him till the cows come home, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you say he's a one one for a reason, it
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: sounds okay, you know, So like I just I just
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: don't get good vibes man, I just I just don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm not like watching the videos all the time,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: but every time he talks about Hi'm like, I just don't,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you know, the vibeses aren't good man.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: So the quote, I mean Harris was more or less
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: asked like, are you where do you got standlets work?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Are you all in on him? Or how else are
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you upgrading first Space? Scott said, the point still stands
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that the performance has to get better, and it's not
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: just offensive performance, it's defensive performance too. We're exploring ways
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: to get better in all aspects of our team.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: He goes on.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: He talks about optionality, and that's I mean, I mean,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: that's kind of I don't know. You know, I had
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: my performance review this week at the Athletic. If my
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: review from my boss would have been the performance has
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: to get better and it's not just offensive performance, it's
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: defensive performance, I would not I would not be feeling
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: too comfortable right now.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it seems like they're going
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to give this thing a go. Even though all the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: words are.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not getting that vibe of what confidence in
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: tork from the front office.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's I forget what word I use
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: when we were talking about this on Monday. But it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like it kind of it feels like a little bit
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: of a like yeah, guy, like you kind of got
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to figure it out, like everything, you got to figure
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it out because I don't think we can do the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: go down the Toledo for two months thing again, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like the torque is in danger of the team passing
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: him by. That's how That's how I'll phrase it absolutely,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: whether that's because just of him, and whether that's a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: combination of him slash where the team's go like there's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: there's no I don't feel I don't feel he's ear
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: marked all that much. That's how probably he'll phrase it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Helophrase it as of now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, if they don't bring anyone else, by default,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: he might be ear ear marked a good chunk by man.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. That's uh, that's a
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: it's a.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Tough We're always going to talk about it until something changes,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: because like if you want to upgrade your roster right now,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: there's like the teams getting good enough to where the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: spots aren't like there aren't that many spots that you
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: either can or have to upgrade and I'm and I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: say the can part because like you know, things like
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: shortstop rare with the hobby contract, You're not just like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: signing a Donnie's right, So like so like you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like there's only there's only so many spots you can
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: realistically upgrade year to year.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You can't do everything in one year anyway, So like.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: We didn't even talk about this, but like when they
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: sun Cobb, they DFA to kill the do there's a
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: guy that things just kind of passed him by and
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: he was still a good depth to have.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: The reason they tindered him, or at least part of it, the.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Rationale is a better way to phrase it, is like
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: if they would have non tendered him, he just becomes
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: a free agent. When he's DFA tendered to contract, he
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: is now under in waivers and if he clears, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: there's a chance he could because he's making a little
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: more than the average guy on waivers, he's automatically stays
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: in the system and he's outright it's Toledo, So there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: a world where the Tigers can keep a Kielbado. But
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: this is a guy who not long ago was on
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the upswing. Alavila was saying, he's part of our future.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And just a couple of quick years later, you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: kills the DFA.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yep, and real quick. Speaking of real five, no, no
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: real five acquisitions or draft picks, I should say for
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the Tigers, but they did lose, uh Liam Hicks and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: gauge workmen for I forget what teams picked took each
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: one should have wrote that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Down workmen Marlins took six.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so so there you go. So there's there's
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: an example of the Tigers bucking on one trend.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: At least they've done the.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Basket year My my masterpiece. Liam Hicks story is ruined.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: This guy was one and you recall on the Tigers
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: taxi squad and with them for the playoffs.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: This guy who they got at the trade deadline came
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: straight up from Eerie and was doing snow angels in
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: a puddle of champagne in Houston. Like the players just
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: loved them. You know, they didn't even know them, but
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: they embraced them, had so much fun.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I interviewed him and never used any like there are
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: a million more pressing things.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Going on at the time, and I was like, I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: gonna break this baby out in spring training.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: The dream is dash and Workman's interesting, one of these
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: guys that he's always just kind of oozed with potential,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: big body, good Fielder's got some real raw power, be
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: struck out.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: It's on.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Had a really resurgent year and ear he cut his
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: strikeout rate by like ten percentage points and I think
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: eighteen homers. A guy you would like to have kept.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: But if the Tigers had real faith in him, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: think they probably would have protect him on a forty man.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: So you know these are the like and are the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Cubs really going to carry him for a full year?
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Like it seems pretty risky for a guy who is
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: still very prone to strikeouts.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. Might not.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Don't don't delete that file yet, Cody for for hex Us.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Never know, you never know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's true. To be a toucher like that's tough.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Your catcher on the roster. You gotta play.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: So I guess Miami is a place where you can
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: get plenty of playing time. But we'll see how that goes.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: One more nugget.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I wanted to get to one more thing that people
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: are going to be disappointed in you know, I asked
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Scott Boris, like it was talking about the early pre
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  Speaker 4: r or pre free agency extensions and saying like, yours
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  Speaker 4: truly has long been an advocate of waiting but for
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  Speaker 4: certain guys blah blah blah, And then he was talking
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: about Gunner Henderson and he's one of the real superstars
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  Speaker 4: in the game. And so then I asked Boris, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: how does this concept apply to Scooble and have you
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: had real talks with the Tigers and friend of the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: pod Scott scottie Be did not answer part two of
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: that question, and he talked real generally about how like
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: just comes down to the player and choices. So we
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: didn't really learn much, but a big sense I came
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  Speaker 4: away with talking to some other agents and people at
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  Speaker 4: Winter meetings is like, the odds are just so slim
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  Speaker 4: because Scoogle is a Boores client and because he's an
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: elite talent, so, you know, not necessarily the most inspiring
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  Speaker 4: news there. And I think your other extension candidate would
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: be Riley Green. I've always set up a more realistic
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: extension candidate. The Tigers have not had any real discussions
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  Speaker 4: with Riley regarding an extension, So there's really, you know,
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  Speaker 4: nothing to even talk about there right now.
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  Speaker 2: So the best illustration is Cody and I are at
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a sports bar watching football, eating chicken wings on Sunday
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and he shows me a tweet from what Jan Soto
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: turned down from the Nationals and I can't remember. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: was four hundred and forty million over a lot of
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and he said, nah, and then the Padres were probably
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: gonna they probably would have offered something similar and he
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: was like nah, and the Yankees probably had some sort
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: of like feeler for an extension and he was like nah,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, turned out to be the right
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  Speaker 2: financial move for him.
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  Speaker 4: So seven hundred and sixty five it's a pretty big
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: gap even from four hundred.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: He almost doubled it by waiting two years.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean case in, point, case and point So
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  Speaker 2: I just the uneasiness is not going to go away
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  Speaker 2: anytime soon. But regardless, he is still your your guy.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: He is still Detroit's guy, and uh, it really immersed
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: himself in the city. So that's all still well and good.
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  Speaker 2: But I just wouldn't I just wouldn't hold advise Abody
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: to hold their breath on that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We can get out of here.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Once again, I want to repeat, sometime before Christmas, you'll
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you'll find a podcast with Cody, myself and Austin Jackson.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to that, and then we will tease our
• 36:28
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• 36:32
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• 36:50
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