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The Lee Elci Show | 10.21.26 · The Lee Elci Show

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  Speaker 1: Here we go again. That was craziness. Sorry for the
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  Speaker 1: technical difficulties. First thing, everybody. Good morning. Guten Morgen.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: This is Morgan Grangine. You can call me Lady Mo
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  Speaker 1: for the next three hours. I'm filling in for Lee Elsie.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Voice of Freedom show. This is a
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  Speaker 1: public participation. Join in all the fun. I'll say the
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  Speaker 1: phone number later, but I do want to get to
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  Speaker 1: a quick intro for our guests today. We have a
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  Speaker 1: lovely lineup. maybe even a surprise guest or two. We have, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: my sister I'm super, super excited about. She's coming later
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  Speaker 1: in the show, Catherine Grandjean. But we're going to open
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  Speaker 1: with myself and then Bethany Kowalewski and take some calls
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  Speaker 1: after that. Open up phones. Rick Koster will come in.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the surprise guest.
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  Speaker 1: The rumor has it on the streets his name is Hayward.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of this?
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  Speaker 3: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, dude. Okay. Let me get into it. Let me
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  Speaker 1: get into it. What I wanted to start with, I've
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  Speaker 1: just been thinking abstractly a little bit and coming home
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  Speaker 1: to myself in meditation quite a bit. And I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking the other day, what if we could change the
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  Speaker 1: frequency of the world by changing our own tones? within ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: And let's think about that this morning. Vibration, frequency, wavelength, resonance.
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  Speaker 1: These are words we hear in science, in music, in
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  Speaker 1: conversations about energy. But how often do we stop to
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  Speaker 1: consider what they actually mean for the world we inhabit?
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  Speaker 1: and what they might mean for the world we're creating.
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  Speaker 1: Because here's something extraordinary. Take a metal plate, sprinkle a
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  Speaker 1: little sand across that plate, just right across the surface.
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  Speaker 1: Introduce a vibration at just the right frequency, and something
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  Speaker 1: remarkable happens. The sand begins to move. What looks like
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  Speaker 1: You know, once random particles scattered across that surface, they
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  Speaker 1: start forming intricate symmetrical geometric patterns. Change the frequency and
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  Speaker 1: the pattern changes. The phenomenon is known as cymatics. And
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  Speaker 1: the patterns are physical demonstration of how vibration can create
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  Speaker 1: visible order. Think about that. For a moment. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of cool. Something we can't ordinarily see with our eyes. Vibration.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can feel it. But it produces something
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  Speaker 1: we can see. Order emerges from movement. And it makes
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  Speaker 1: me wonder.
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  Speaker 4: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: We do know that sound and music affect our brains,
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  Speaker 1: our emotions, our movements, the way we experience the world.
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  Speaker 1: A song can transport you back 20 years in an instant.
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  Speaker 1: A familiar voice can make you feel safe. A rhythm
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  Speaker 1: can bring a room full of strangers together. And a harsh,
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  Speaker 1: relentless noise can leave you exhausted. before the day has
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  Speaker 1: even begun. We are not separate from the environments we inhabit.
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  Speaker 1: We respond to them. So here's the question I want
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  Speaker 1: to put on the table this morning. What are we
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  Speaker 1: exposing ourselves to every single day? And what is it
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  Speaker 1: doing to us? The sounds of modern life, the constant notifications, dings,
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  Speaker 1: the breaking news, 24-7 loop, the outrage. the arguments, the
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  Speaker 1: manufactured urgency, the endless stream of information demanding our attention.
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  Speaker 1: Our minds rarely get a moment to settle. We are
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  Speaker 1: asked to react before we've had time to even reflect,
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  Speaker 1: to take a side before we've understood the story fully,
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  Speaker 1: to keep moving before we've considered whether We're even moving
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction. And somewhere in all the noise,
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  Speaker 1: we can lose our ability to hear ourselves, let alone
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  Speaker 1: one another. What if we started paying attention to the
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  Speaker 1: frequencies of our everyday lives? Not just the literal sounds,
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  Speaker 1: but the quality of our conversations. The way we speak
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  Speaker 1: to our children. the way we treat the person serving
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  Speaker 1: our coffee, the way we respond when somebody disagrees with us,
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  Speaker 1: the things we choose to amplify, and the things we
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  Speaker 1: allow to fall silent. Because perhaps one of the most
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  Speaker 1: important questions we can ask ourselves is not simply, what
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  Speaker 1: am I putting out into the world? What kind of
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  Speaker 1: world does my contribution help create? Let's go back to
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  Speaker 1: that plate of sand. The pattern isn't produced by the
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  Speaker 1: sand deciding to organize itself. It emerges through the interaction
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  Speaker 1: of vibration, material, and the physical conditions surrounding it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful reminder that outcomes don't exist in isolation. Conditions matter.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we can take something to learn from that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have something to learn from that. We
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  Speaker 1: cannot control every force acting upon us. We cannot eliminate
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  Speaker 1: every difficult conversation, every injustice, every disruption, or every source
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  Speaker 1: of pain. But we can become more intentional about the
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  Speaker 1: conditions we create. We can make room for music, for stillness,
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  Speaker 1: for dance, for thoughtful conversation, for curiosity instead of contempt,
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  Speaker 1: for evidence instead of assumption, for compassion without abandoning accountability,
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  Speaker 1: for disagreement without dehumanization imagine what happens when those things
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  Speaker 1: become more than individual choices imagine what happens when they
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  Speaker 1: become cultural priorities what if our schools made more room
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  Speaker 1: for creativity music and emotional development what if our workplaces
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  Speaker 1: understood that human beings are not machines designed to produce
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  Speaker 1: endlessly without rest What if our public conversations rewarded people
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  Speaker 1: for listening as carefully as they speak? And if we
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  Speaker 1: stopped confusing the loudest voice with the wisest one? And
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  Speaker 1: what if we became laser-focused, not on winning every argument,
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  Speaker 1: not on proving that everybody else is wrong, but on
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  Speaker 1: building a world in which more people have the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to live well? I don't have a magical frequency that
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  Speaker 1: will solve humanity. I don't think any one person does.
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  Speaker 1: But I do believe that the conditions we create, the
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  Speaker 1: information we share, the music we play, the movement we make,
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  Speaker 1: the conversations we initiate and have and follow through with,
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  Speaker 1: the way we treat one another all matter. And perhaps
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  Speaker 1: the first step towards changing the bigger picture is to
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  Speaker 1: become more conscious of what We contribute to it. So today,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to try something. Notice the noise. Pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: Notice what lifts you up and what leaves you depleted.
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  Speaker 1: Pay attention to the conversations that make you think. The
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  Speaker 1: music that moves you. The moments that bring you back.
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  Speaker 1: And then ask yourself one more question. What would happen
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  Speaker 1: if we became as intentional about the quality of the
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  Speaker 1: energy we bring into the world as we are about
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  Speaker 1: everything else we're trying to accomplish? Because we may not
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  Speaker 1: be able to control every vibration. around us. This is life.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning. Welcome back. This is Lady Mo. And sitting
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  Speaker 1: next to me is Bethany Kamileski. Welcome to the show, girl.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 9: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming so early in the morning. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: having me. What are you sipping on? I made myself
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  Speaker 1: some cacao this morning. Do you have a morning ritual here?
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  Speaker 8: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I also wonder if I'm the only person who's ever
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  Speaker 1: drank cacao in this seat. Probably. Cacao, first of all.
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  Speaker 1: Let's all say cacao. Cacao. Cacao. What is it? Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about this. So it is a ceremonial cacao.
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  Speaker 34: It is often drank in circles of ceremony of people together.
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  Speaker 34: It's from South America. It can be from a lot
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  Speaker 34: of different places. But I mixed it with cashew milk, dates, a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of the healthy stuff.
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  Speaker 34: It just feels really good to drink in the morning.
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  Speaker 34: And also I just don't drink coffee on an empty
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  Speaker 8: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I have a little bit of learning to do
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• 23:18
  Speaker 1: even listening. Bethany, I wanted to bring you on this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about women's empowerment, nutrition, everything and anything.
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  Speaker 2: That you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Especially with Pranayama and in your studio. I've been now
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: interacting with you guys for a few years, and let's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: hear about it. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 35: Okay.
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  Speaker 36: Okay.
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  Speaker 34: Well, Pranayama is a local yoga studio in Mystic that
• 23:50
  Speaker 34: my partner Johnny and I own. And we focus on
• 23:52
  Speaker 34: breathwork and yoga. We do a lot of personal development.
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  Speaker 34: And if I already lost you, if you're listening, it
• 24:01
  Speaker 34: is a place that we created so that people who
• 24:06
  Speaker 34: might not normally do yoga would come and do yoga. Stress, anxiety,
• 24:13
  Speaker 34: the things that are happening in the world right now,
• 24:15
  Speaker 34: it's a place to just let all that go.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Which I think we all need.
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  Speaker 35: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's really ultimately why I invited you here because I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: think in times like these, it's ultimately the most important
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• 24:30
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I see the word freedom everywhere in this studio right now.
• 24:50
  Speaker 19: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That is probably a key word for us as well.
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  Speaker 34: It's like, how do you become free in yourself so
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  Speaker 34: that you can be free in the world and I
• 25:00
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  Speaker 1: We take, we take our approach to it, but everybody
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  Speaker 1: has their own approach. No, I do think that that's
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  Speaker 1: worth noting because that's in my opening with the vibration
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and changing the frequency of the world. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: something I've been connected to since I was three years old,
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  Speaker 1: dance movement, moving my body. Obviously breath work is a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: piece of that because if I'm not in tune with
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: my breath, then on stage and everywhere else, I can't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: keep up at all. So it's, it's really quite important.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And then when I actually during COVID post COVID, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: then through some health challenges of my own, my own journey, I,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to be 230 pounds at one point,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: extremely unhealthy and unwell, um, physically and mentally and breath
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: work and the re-inspire program, uh, really helped with that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Also your nutritional approach. Can you talk about those two
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: things a little bit more.
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  Speaker 34: Amazing so re-inspire is johnny's breathwork methodology so it is
• 26:07
  Speaker 34: a way to bridge the outside to the inside that
• 26:11
  Speaker 34: is like breathwork in general he has a specific method
• 26:13
  Speaker 34: that he uses that we call re-inspire and so it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 34: conscious conscious connected breathing it's usually done for about 60
• 26:18
  Speaker 34: minutes um and it's another word for it is transformational.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Breathwork it is very yeah and it's a it's an ancient.
• 26:26
  Speaker 34: Practice they've been doing it For years and years and years,
• 26:28
  Speaker 34: he could probably tell you way more than I could.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But you've been there right alongside and you've seen the transformations.
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  Speaker 37: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, even for myself, like I went to school
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: for nutrition.
• 26:38
  Speaker 34: I went to UConn and I have always wanted to
• 26:41
  Speaker 34: support people in like bettering themselves. I was really focused
• 26:45
  Speaker 34: on eating disorders because I went to an all girls
• 26:47
  Speaker 34: high school and it was just running rampant.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And then I realized through college that it was also
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: part of my own journey. experience yeah and.
• 26:54
  Speaker 34: Then through my life it's just always been a kind
• 26:57
  Speaker 34: of guiding light of like how do I help people
• 26:59
  Speaker 34: through this now it tends to be women but the
• 27:01
  Speaker 34: more that I grow in my own practice and business
• 27:03
  Speaker 34: I'm like no it's it's actually everyone yeah so.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate alchemy oh yeah right yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 34: Yeah yeah it's it's body image it's the way that
• 27:11
  Speaker 34: we perceive ourselves it's our environment and so Breathwork has
• 27:15
  Speaker 34: been one of those things that helped me kind of
• 27:18
  Speaker 34: come inside without even realizing that that's what I needed.
• 27:22
  Speaker 34: Nutrition is one thing, right? Like we get to control
• 27:25
  Speaker 34: what we eat in some way. Sometimes we lack education
• 27:28
  Speaker 34: around it. And so we could go on and on
• 27:29
  Speaker 34: and on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But I've talked about that here.
• 27:33
  Speaker 38: Endlessly.
• 27:33
  Speaker 17: Oh, amazing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The audience is familiar about how I feel about that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 37: Great.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Food, the food we eat, the things we consume.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: It's not good right now.
• 27:42
  Speaker 31: It's really good.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I've had a delay the smartphone on because I feel
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like that's a consumption we can control.
• 27:49
  Speaker 20: Totally.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: For kids. Now we know like smoking is bad for us, right?
• 27:52
  Speaker 35: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: There are certain foods we probably shouldn't put in our mouths.
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 38: Right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I will give an unpopular opinion.
• 27:58
  Speaker 39: Okay.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Let's hear it. Let's hear it. I.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I truly believe that we can eat whatever we want.
• 28:04
  Speaker 34: And the problem that we have is that we make
• 28:07
  Speaker 34: it bad or wrong. I think that the biggest thing
• 28:10
  Speaker 34: with nutrition is that we do make it bad and wrong.
• 28:12
  Speaker 34: And it's like, the only thing that I have access
• 28:14
  Speaker 34: to is pizza, which may or may not be true,
• 28:17
  Speaker 34: but that's for you to decide, not for me to decide.
• 28:19
  Speaker 34: So when people sit in front of me and they're like,
• 28:21
  Speaker 34: oh my God, I need to do this and this
• 28:22
  Speaker 34: and this and this and this, it's often so much
• 28:24
  Speaker 34: that They're putting pressure on themselves and they're stressing themselves out.
• 28:27
  Speaker 34: And I personally think that the stress is what causes people.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: More harm than good.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Now, do I think that you should eat McDonald's every day?
• 28:35
  Speaker 19: No.
• 28:36
  Speaker 34: Do I think that you should eat fast food as
• 28:38
  Speaker 34: like your main source of nutrition and calories?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 28:40
  Speaker 19: No.
• 28:41
  Speaker 34: And if we make considerations from the larger scale, not
• 28:44
  Speaker 34: everyone has access to things. And I think we can
• 28:47
  Speaker 34: make decisions to the.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Best of our ability.
• 28:50
  Speaker 34: But the stress that we have and the anxiety that
• 28:52
  Speaker 34: we have around food and around this like perfectionist society
• 28:56
  Speaker 34: that we've created, like if you don't eat organic and
• 28:58
  Speaker 34: celery juice every morning, then, you know, you're not healthy,
• 29:01
  Speaker 34: which I don't.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Believe is true. So then do you think that opens up?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: than other boxes of like shame and judgment then that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: we should be talking about because it's not just the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: food that we're consuming. It's the feel, it's the big feelings.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 40: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's all around it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 34: So I have this, um, other thing that I do
• 29:22
  Speaker 34: called Ayurveda, which some people say is like the sister
• 29:24
  Speaker 34: science to yoga, but it's the way it's like the diet, lifestyle, consumption,
• 29:30
  Speaker 34: absorption kind of recommendations that we look at as a
• 29:33
  Speaker 34: yoga culture.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I am aware of Ayurvedic medicine, this ancient wisdom.
• 29:41
  Speaker 34: So I went from university trained nutritionist to Ayurveda. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 34: started studying Ayurveda and I was like, oh, this makes
• 29:46
  Speaker 34: so much sense. And so for me, the path has
• 29:49
  Speaker 34: always been from like university science brain, like this is
• 29:52
  Speaker 34: what it is. This is how we heal eating disorders
• 29:54
  Speaker 34: to like, well, there's actually way more to it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Um, so why am I saying that?
• 29:58
  Speaker 34: So Ayurveda has invited me into studying more about consumption
• 30:02
  Speaker 34: and absorption.
• 30:03
  Speaker 17: What are you consuming?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So like you said, it's like the screens that we're using, the, um.
• 30:08
  Speaker 34: Food that we're eating the people that we're talking to
• 30:10
  Speaker 34: the environment and so i love the way that ayurveda
• 30:13
  Speaker 34: is this more all-inclusive system to say what are you
• 30:15
  Speaker 34: consuming first and then how is that absorbing in your
• 30:18
  Speaker 34: body so we always hear about gut issues in our
• 30:20
  Speaker 34: day and age yes and people are trying to perfect
• 30:24
  Speaker 34: their way out of gut issues in my opinion yeah
• 30:28
  Speaker 34: you could because i've seen people over and over again
• 30:30
  Speaker 34: you can have the quote-unquote perfect diet you're eating chicken
• 30:33
  Speaker 34: and broccoli and olive oil and lemon but you don't
• 30:38
  Speaker 34: like yourself and you hate what you're eating and you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 34: only doing it because other people are telling you and
• 30:45
  Speaker 34: I think that the nuance is that some people like
• 30:48
  Speaker 34: to eat chicken and broccoli and olive oil and lemon
• 30:50
  Speaker 34: I'm one of them But doing it from that energy
• 30:53
  Speaker 34: is different than like.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I have to do this and this is horrible and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gagging it down.
• 30:58
  Speaker 34: And that's the way that we're absorbing. And so is
• 31:01
  Speaker 34: that the end all be all of gut health? No,
• 31:02
  Speaker 34: absolutely not. Obviously people have stuff and that's very real.
• 31:06
  Speaker 34: But when you go to doctors and nutritionists and your
• 31:09
  Speaker 34: personal trainer, who's like an 18 year old man and
• 31:13
  Speaker 34: you're a 55 year old woman, like it's, it's not,
• 31:17
  Speaker 34: you know, it's more, it's different.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It's not, um, It's not as black and white. It's disconnected.
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: We have one minute where I just, before we take
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a break, where do people find you? We're talking to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Bethany Kabaleski. We're talking all things women empowerment. We're talking nutrition,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Ayurvedic medicine, the divine feminine. Maybe we'll dive into a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: little bit when we get back. But how can people
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: find you?
• 31:39
  Speaker 34: My Instagram is Bethany Kavo. Our studio is Pranayama CT.
• 31:43
  Speaker 34: It's Pranayama underscore CT. And you can also find me
• 31:45
  Speaker 34: on my website, BethanyKavo.com.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:48
  Speaker 35: Awesome.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And we're going to go to
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  Speaker 34: I am noticing that people are God, this is so cliche,
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  Speaker 1: Tend to use this like grandiose language around like awakening.
• 39:18
  Speaker 34: But let me bring it back to this, um, reality
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  Speaker 34: that I keep seeing, which is like, it's freedom.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's liberation. It's like, how do you become the best
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: version of yourself? But, but like for real.
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  Speaker 34: So I think that people are awakening to the stuff
• 39:33
  Speaker 34: because I can't swear, uh, like the, the stuff of
• 39:36
  Speaker 34: like life and they're questioning it. And that comes to
• 39:42
  Speaker 34: me from the lens of, um, nutrition and health and
• 39:49
  Speaker 34: questioning you know the ingredients that people are eating and
• 39:53
  Speaker 34: the way that people are thinking about it um let's
• 39:55
  Speaker 34: say body image and just people recognizing instead of like
• 39:59
  Speaker 34: i was talking about earlier like instead of it being
• 40:03
  Speaker 34: confusion people are not wanting to be confused they're like
• 40:05
  Speaker 34: wait what can i do about this how can i
• 40:07
  Speaker 34: change how can i approach this different so from a
• 40:10
  Speaker 34: trend perspective it's like people are actually wanting the change
• 40:13
  Speaker 34: instead of just saying that they want the change and
• 40:15
  Speaker 34: i'm noticing that people are taking more action.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So, just like two branches here. I mean, yes, you're
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: seeing that manifest all over the world right now in
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the physical violence and riots overseas. Milan, France. Gosh, I mean, there's...
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Where isn't there? In our backyard.
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  Speaker 31: No.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: But.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I also think that the piece of food addiction, like
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: how we consume and under what circumstances we're consuming. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it's not just what the ingredients are, but it's okay.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: What triggered me? So I went and reached for the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: crinkly bag in the cabinet and consumed an entire family
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: size portion of Lay's potato chips.
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  Speaker 38: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, totally.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Who's with me?
• 41:13
  Speaker 19: Okay.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Cause I know I'm not the only one. Anyone, anyone
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: out there? Chocolate fans.
• 41:17
  Speaker 40: Okay. Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: The, I think we're taking like a pause on, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: don't know. People just want to change.
• 41:28
  Speaker 34: I think people actually want to change because they're realizing
• 41:31
  Speaker 34: that what they're doing isn't working. And so they're willing
• 41:33
  Speaker 34: to try these things that like in my world, my
• 41:35
  Speaker 34: work is weird, right? Like I'm not like, I'm just
• 41:38
  Speaker 34: going to prescribe you a diet. People come to me
• 41:40
  Speaker 34: and they're like, Tell me what to eat. Like I
• 41:42
  Speaker 34: have a client who's a landscaper and he's like the
• 41:45
  Speaker 34: most unsuspecting person who would work with me, but he's
• 41:48
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• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He's a landscaper. He drives around Southeastern Connecticut, right?
• 41:52
  Speaker 34: He eats fast food sometimes, but he came to me
• 41:55
  Speaker 34: for nutrition and I've been working with him for like
• 41:57
  Speaker 34: three years and he's like, you tricked me.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no.
• 42:01
  Speaker 19: Well, yes.
• 42:02
  Speaker 34: And, but he's like, yeah, you pulled me in with
• 42:04
  Speaker 34: the nutrition, but now we talk about so many other things, right?
• 42:07
  Speaker 34: Because for somebody like him, he's so connected to the
• 42:11
  Speaker 34: world of yoga without even knowing that he's connected to
• 42:13
  Speaker 34: the world of yoga.
• 42:14
  Speaker 38: Right.
• 42:14
  Speaker 34: And so I think that people do want to change,
• 42:17
  Speaker 34: but they're just willing to enter their change in certain ways.
• 42:20
  Speaker 34: And so that's why under their circumstances, I lead with
• 42:23
  Speaker 34: nutrition because a lot of people are just aware of
• 42:26
  Speaker 34: their food intake or their doctor's like, you.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Need to lose weight.
• 42:28
  Speaker 34: But then when they sit in front of me, I'm like, yeah,
• 42:30
  Speaker 34: like we can talk about that, but let's also, you know, navigate, like,
• 42:34
  Speaker 34: why are you doing that?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Like you said, with the Lay's potato chips. There's a why.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Like what is the why?
• 42:38
  Speaker 34: And I think it's underrated that, um, We grow up
• 42:42
  Speaker 34: with so many rules around food, whether it's in our household,
• 42:46
  Speaker 34: whether it's through our partnerships, whether it's in our environment,
• 42:48
  Speaker 34: whether it's the social constructs. Like, yeah, we could sit
• 42:51
  Speaker 34: here and say that, oh, nutrition is easy or, oh,
• 42:53
  Speaker 34: you know, change is like change is easy.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Just come sit in my office.
• 42:57
  Speaker 34: And it's like, no, because you're breaking through barriers of
• 43:00
  Speaker 34: layers and oftentimes generations worth of stuff.
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: You know, that's cycle breaking is cycle breaking hard work. Yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I know. It's such a romanticized thing.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: People are like, I'm a cycle breaker. I'm like, Sit down,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: sit down, you know?
• 43:17
  Speaker 34: Well, I'm like, I don't know if that's something to
• 43:18
  Speaker 34: brag about because every, every cycle that I've broken has
• 43:21
  Speaker 34: required me to like sit on the ground of my
• 43:23
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• 43:26
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Because in order, like one of my favorite things you've
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: always said that I carry into life with me and
• 43:32
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• 43:34
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  Speaker 27: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And once you fundamentally understand that in order for you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to get out on the other side, you have to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: really let that move through you. Whatever that is, that emotion.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And there's those Pixar movies. Oh, my gosh. The emotions.
• 44:08
  Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. I'm blanking. My son
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: would be so... Mad?
• 44:11
  Speaker 39: No.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Disappointed.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Disappointed. Who's running the soundboard today? It's anxiety. No, it's fear.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: It's sadness.
• 44:19
  Speaker 36: Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 39: Ennui.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Ennui is one of them. I'm totally blanking on the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: name of the movie.
• 44:24
  Speaker 39: I know. Oh, my gosh.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll figure that out. Yeah. But it really is
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: important to understand that you can't shove those things down.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: You have to feel them.
• 44:36
  Speaker 46: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Well, again, what are we consuming? What are we absorbing?
• 44:39
  Speaker 34: And how is it moving through us? Are we holding
• 44:41
  Speaker 34: on to it? Is it stuck inside of us? Or
• 44:43
  Speaker 34: are we willing to let go? We're in the season
• 44:44
  Speaker 34: of fall, the time to let go.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Very timely conversation.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 35: All right.
• 44:49
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  Speaker 1: Hey we were just talking about cacao ceremonies and now
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  Speaker 47: So yeah i guess i'm another one of those people
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  Speaker 47: that comes into the studio with their unusual drinks um
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  Speaker 47: so have you ever heard of.
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  Speaker 1: Yerba mate yerba mate Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 47: There's all kinds of different ways to have it. And
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  Speaker 47: of course, but you notice a lot of high sugar
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  Speaker 47: content in them?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 47: I'm not trying to do that. You were talking about
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  Speaker 47: food addictions earlier. I have a serious sugar addiction. I
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• 53:37
  Speaker 47: Yerba No. 1. It's all organic. And it has like
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  Speaker 35: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be milligrams or grams. You would know,
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  Speaker 47: Well, if it's... It's probably not milligrams, right? Like that's,
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  Speaker 47: I feel like that's... Yeah.
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  Speaker 27: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 47: You would know. So anyways, this stuff, it's all organic.
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  Speaker 47: It's super low on sugar. And the reason is it
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  Speaker 47: has this like African herb in it that's got sort
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  Speaker 47: doesn't have a lot of sugar in it. I gave
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  Speaker 47: any whiter with age. And I drink my coffee black
• 54:20
  Speaker 47: because I try to avoid all the milk and sugar
• 54:23
  Speaker 47: and everything else that people put in it. I drink
• 54:25
  Speaker 47: it to stay awake because that's the hard thing for me.
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  Speaker 47: So this has been kind of a fun alternative little experiment,
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  Speaker 47: and it's kind of a different kind of caffeine, so
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  Speaker 1: No, there's a reason for that. So I actually dove
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  Speaker 1: years back, probably about three years back now, about Yerba Mate.
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  Speaker 1: In its tea form, it is– there's– Science and biology-backed
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  Speaker 1: how it does provide fuel for you throughout the day,
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  Speaker 47: I need that.
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• 55:47
  Speaker 1: for now we're filling some very large shoes you're helping
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: me because the uh The one and only, Mr. Lielsi,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I think has a size 18, and I have an 8,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: so you've got to fill in between. But let's open
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the phones. If anybody wants to say good morning with us,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: have some coffee, chat about anything, anything is on the table.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: The phone number here is 860-464-9490. And you have Hayward
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and Lady Mo here taking calls. Okay, so... What's on
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: your mind first and foremost about what we're finding out,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: specifically just on the heels of the unrest happening overseas
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that just kind of erupted with fiery fashion this weekend?
• 56:34
  Speaker 47: You know, one of the really interesting things about that
• 56:37
  Speaker 47: is I sort of how I came to this show
• 56:40
  Speaker 47: as sort of a regular irritant for all the good
• 56:43
  Speaker 47: people in the audience is. Studying social movements, especially radical
• 56:48
  Speaker 47: ones and how they play into history, has been an
• 56:52
  Speaker 47: area of fascination for me since Occupy. So going a
• 56:55
  Speaker 47: ways back. And I really found a strong interest in
• 57:01
  Speaker 47: France because since 1789, they have been a uniquely tumultuous people.
• 57:08
  Speaker 47: I think it goes without saying. So when I hear
• 57:11
  Speaker 47: people place the entirety of the blame on migration, my
• 57:19
  Speaker 47: admittedly perhaps a touch snide response is, tell me you
• 57:22
  Speaker 47: know nothing about French history without telling me you know
• 57:26
  Speaker 47: nothing about French history. By which I mean, of course,
• 57:28
  Speaker 47: the French Revolution, several series of revolutions after that. You
• 57:32
  Speaker 47: even had the Paris Commune, for example, where Paris seceded
• 57:36
  Speaker 47: from the French government. And the French government was in
• 57:39
  Speaker 47: exile in Versailles and invaded the place and exterminated it
• 57:43
  Speaker 47: block by block.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Block by block.
• 57:45
  Speaker 47: So you have that. You have Paris 1968. Literally every
• 57:49
  Speaker 47: single time they try to reduce the retirement age or
• 57:53
  Speaker 47: up a tax on gasoline or diesel, think of the
• 57:55
  Speaker 47: Yellow Vest Movement. The French farmers are always looking for
• 57:59
  Speaker 47: an excuse to drive their farm vehicles down Paris and
• 58:03
  Speaker 47: blast manure through politicians' windows. These are fascinatingly cantankerous people. I,
• 58:11
  Speaker 47: for example, when I was in France, lived in the
• 58:13
  Speaker 47: largest autonomous zone in all of Europe. It was like
• 58:17
  Speaker 47: half the size of Westerly, and they managed to successfully
• 58:20
  Speaker 47: break away from the French government. These are very unique people.
• 58:25
  Speaker 47: I will also mention Europe generally has a tendency to
• 58:29
  Speaker 47: get very upset at the drop of a hat.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I know. I have both French and Italian heritage.
• 58:37
  Speaker 17: That'll do it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: When you're passionate people. Yeah, my last name is Grosjean.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at what's happening. Yeah, Milan, Albania, same place. Jobs, housing.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Those younger generations are feeling very lost in the mix.
• 58:53
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: And they're rising up and doing something about it where
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like we're doing that in America.
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 47: You know, there are a number of reasons that people
• 59:04
  Speaker 47: ascribe to that. One of them could be potentially a
• 59:07
  Speaker 47: little bit more comfortable, relatively speaking. But one thing that
• 59:11
  Speaker 47: I found very interesting as well is there is a
• 59:13
  Speaker 47: completely different relationship in Europe, largely due to the famously
• 59:17
  Speaker 47: cantankerous nature of Europeans, to work, work-life balance, all that
• 59:22
  Speaker 47: kind of thing. Nietzsche once said that work is the
• 59:24
  Speaker 47: best police, by which he meant if you are constantly
• 59:28
  Speaker 47: working all the time, if you are constantly on the
• 59:31
  Speaker 47: edge of bankruptcy, for example, you are very unlikely to
• 59:34
  Speaker 47: have the mental real estate to want to push back
• 59:37
  Speaker 47: and figure out how to. If you have a little
• 59:39
  Speaker 47: bit more free time, if you have a little bit
• 59:42
  Speaker 47: more ability to study history, talk with your neighbors— there
• 59:46
  Speaker 47: is a natural tendency for humans to want to organize
• 59:50
  Speaker 47: and push back. Orwell warned about a similar thing as
• 59:53
  Speaker 47: well with the politics of distraction. You know, we were
• 59:55
  Speaker 47: always at war with East Asia, keep them busy with
• 59:57
  Speaker 47: all these things. This goes back thousands of years. This
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 47: is bread and circuses to some degree.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: These are playbooks. I mean, they're written.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And they're patterns that we recognize in history played over.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I'm having... my sister on later
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, what that looked like on the,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: in the shadow of the American revolution and similar situation,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: but it's these violent, this, this, you know, these violent
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: themes that stick with us and sort of stay in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the very fabric of our nations. How are we gonna,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: how are we ever gonna break that, that cycle? I mean,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I was talking about that with Bethany and, and the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: sort of cliché-ness of being cycle breakers. Is that even
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: a reality? Are we fooling ourselves, Hayward?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 47: I think it's entirely possible we may be fooling ourselves. However,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 47: I don't think the possibility of victory or impossibility of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 47: it should dissuade us from trying to be better and trying.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 47: So we don't necessarily... have to be guaranteed that things
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 47: will be better in order to try to be better.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 47: Because there's some quote that goes some to the extent of,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 47: of truly great people will plant a tree under which
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 47: the shade they will never themselves experience. I I'm also
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 47: thinking of, uh, one of my personal favorite people said
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 47: something to the effect of if you have a spec, uh,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 47: if your neighbor has a spec in their eye, pull
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 47: the plank out of your own eye first.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 37: Right?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 47: So that, that, focus on trying to improve oneself in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 47: trying to be a better person, it's certainly easier to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 47: try to advocate for that if you seem like less
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 47: of a hypocrite, right? It's also easier to do that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 47: if you yourself have done that work because you know
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 47: what it looks like or at least what it looks
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 47: like for you. So maybe you can try to figure
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 47: out how to help people. Think, of course, also if
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 47: like you're in an airplane, there's a pressure issue. You
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 47: put your mask on first, but you then immediately pivot
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 47: to the.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Person next to you. It's actually the first thing I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: thought of.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 19: Right.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 39: In my mind.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 47: And that's the thing. When it comes to truth, there
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 47: are usually several ways you can arrive to that truth.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 47: You know, there are many ways that you can approach
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 47: an idea and come to that conclusion.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: So here we are.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Here we are.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 47: It's real hard over there and it's real hard over here.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It's by design.
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  Speaker 47: It really feels that way.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: It really feels that way.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 19: You know, there.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 47: For example, I managed to avoid this somehow due to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 47: a lot of scholarships, a lot of saving up and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 47: having a relatively inexpensive college student debt. Now, student debt
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 47: was something that was largely invented during the tenure of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 47: Governor Reagan in California. And one of his policy advisers
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 47: said that they didn't want an educated proletariat. So instead
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 47: of having state-sponsored college, they wanted to have a debt
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 47: attached to it. So you create this relationship of debt peonage,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 47: which is really dangerous. Now, of course, everyone has their
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 47: opinions on this subject, and I'm not here to tell
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 47: you how to feel about all that student debt stuff,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 47: especially me as someone who managed to avoid it. However,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 47: the underlying dynamic and the literally self-described motivations for the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 47: people that installed that system was to put people in
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 47: a situation where their backs are against the wall in
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 47: order to have social advancement. It's to make the cost
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 47: of social advancement heavy enough that a lot of people
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 47: will get stuck in the middle. And when you're stuck,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 47: it's harder to do anything other than try to pull
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 47: yourself out.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why people are arguing there is no middle
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 19: Right.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: That there is absolutely no middle. And there's too many
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: extremes with everything. And that's why everybody feels lost. It
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: is it is the hustle culture is not healthy. It
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: is completely decaying everything. Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 47: You know, something that I think is very important, just again,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 47: me being a history guy, a lot of people will
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 47: look at humans. I understand some people are vegetarians. I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 47: am from time to time. We're an apex predator, right?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 47: How many apex predators spend the entirety of their lives
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 47: just constantly going after things? It's not a lot. Now,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 47: you can talk about sharks, for example. If they stop swimming,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 47: they die. But there's a lot more daylight between us
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 47: and sharks than us and lions, for example. You know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 47: both mammals, right? Both land animals. And they don't spend
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 47: the entirety of their lives all the time hustling just
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 47: to survive. That's not how it works for them. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 47: it wasn't how it was for us either. We used
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 47: to have a completely different relationship to the world around
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 47: us before this economic system was instituted by force and genocide,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 47: mind you. So you can actually look back in history
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 47: and see letters from people, different politicians of the era,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 47: saying that their peasantry are too much like the Native Americans.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 47: They just lay around and only work when they need to.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 47: That is a totally different way of being. And it
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 47: was a way of being that was criminalized because once
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 47: you make that impossible, once you sever the relationship that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 47: humans have with the land, I mean, we're talking about
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 47: this Yerba, right? These things are here. There are these plants, animals,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 47: ecosystems that especially, you know, from my religious angle, of course,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 47: they're right here. You know, one of the things that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 47: was almost like an aha moment was a comedian once saying,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 47: What if God were to come down and look at
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 47: everything we've made and say.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: What are you doing?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 47: What is all of this? The food was on the ground.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 47: What is a slushie?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: What is this?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: What have you done? What is red dye 40?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 47: Precisely. And so thinking about all of these layers of
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 47: artifice that we've put on top of literally having what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 47: we need, I still to this day, you know, we're
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 47: getting into fall, so it's a little harder, but Part
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 47: of my daily commute is just stopping on the side
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 47: of the road, harvesting berries, tree nuts, all that kind
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 47: of stuff. And that's my snack for the day. And
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 47: that was free.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 35: And you know what?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 47: That doesn't have, hopefully, glyphosate, right?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 43: Right.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have all these other things that we spray
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: on them.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 16: I know.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I always think about that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Especially by the roadside. Well, yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 47: There's that, too. That's where I'm driving, right? Obviously, it's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 47: better if I'm going through the woods and I find something.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 47: But especially with autumn olives, for example, those red berries
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 47: that anyone driving by will see on the side of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 47: the road, this little silver leaf. The DOT planted those
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 47: there to control erosion and didn't take into account that
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 47: they were super invasive, and now they're everywhere.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Get out!
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 47: Yeah, the hubris of man knows no bounds. But that's
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 47: the thing, right? Even when there are things that happen
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 47: that are potentially negative... there can still be a way
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 47: for healing. There can still be a way for people
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 47: to benefit. When I lived in Japan, for example, even
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 47: the medians in the highway, and talking about highway not
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 47: being the safest place on earth, they're also pretty tight there.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 47: All the medians, every little arable space of land had
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 47: crops on it. Think about how fundamentally different of a
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 47: relationship to land that is versus us where we have
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 47: dying grass in every highway median. That's different. Think about
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 47: how all of our trees are ornamental in municipalities. You
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 47: occasionally will see an errant fruit tree here and there,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 47: but think about how much different things could be if
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 47: we approached it that way. Oh wait, perhaps people might
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 47: have a little more wiggle room. Uh-oh, we don't want that,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 47: do we?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 19: I might.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm so tired. Aren't you tired of that? Isn't this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: all very exhausting? I'm exhausted. This is getting old.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 47: So I used to do a podcast and I did
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 47: a whole episode on answering with exhausted as a response to, yeah,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 47: as a response to how are you doing? And I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 47: did that because we have these artificial interactions of how
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 47: are you doing?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 17: You great.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 47: And we forget the other person ever existed.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 47: And so while I like to try to be relatively
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 47: sunny where I can, Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 47: Well, thank you for that.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 39: No, I agree.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: No, this is really good radio, and I really think
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: it's compelling, and I think we're human. We're here for
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: each other. I'm here for you. You're here for me.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Let's bring on East Hampton Dan.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 38: Let's do it.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 17: Let's hear from Dan.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, buddy.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 35: Hey.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 37: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 35: Good morning.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 37: It's very early for a conversation like this.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 19: Oh, my God.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 17: Can you handle it?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 37: I want to take a different angle on the riots
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 37: and say that... That is the only recourse that they
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 37: really have when you have such a sucky form of government.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 37: And that sucky form of government is socialism. And the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 37: other things that you're talking about being not able to
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 37: make it is because, like, just take, for instance, your
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 37: property tax. I mean, I think Hayward and I have
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 37: talked before about, like, foraging and living off the land,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 37: which you could do. But you can't take your hen
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 37: eggs or your birch mushrooms down to town hall and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 37: pay your property taxes. I know.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: I've tried.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 37: So literally we're in a form of government that's taking
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 37: from everybody around them in order to give to other
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 37: people and try to, like, quote, level the playing field
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 37: and provide for everything. And once you have that system.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 37: there is no more voice for you, right? So your money,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 37: whatever you saved up, and let's not forget that every
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 37: single person living in the United States is like in
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 37: the top 1% of the planet when it comes to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 37: how we live and our incomes and so forth. But
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 37: when you, every single, you know, you're supplying for 10
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 37: other people who don't do anything, right? then you have
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 37: to be liquidated to do it. And there is no
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 37: response that you could possibly have. There's no choice. There's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 37: no voice for that. See, in the United States, we
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 37: have redress of grievances. This is allegedly. We have redress
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 37: of grievances. We have courts. We have legal systems, things
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 37: that are supposed to work to level the playing field
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 37: between us and our government so that the average citizen
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 37: can have some power, some voice. We have voting and elections.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 37: But by and large, the population is so ignorant now
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 37: that they don't know how to do anything except rush
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 37: out into the street and riot, which is basically what
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 37: happens in Europe de facto because they don't actually have
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 37: those mechanisms there. So there's an engineered ignorance, I think,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 37: that's being pushed on the people through education and that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 37: is like recreating that type of riot system. response, riot
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 37: mentality here in the United States. And it all comes
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 37: with the same really bad idea of socialism, I think.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 37: And that's where the left is headed, and that's why
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 37: I'm not a leftist.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 47: Yeah, I really appreciate that you said allegedly in terms
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 47: of our means for redressing our grievances. Of course, our
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 47: founders put those in place literally so we could do that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 47: It was very intentional that they gave that to us,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 47: and we've sort of flubbed it every step since. And
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 47: I often wonder this, of the vestiges of those means
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 47: to redress those grievances. Are those just existing there at
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 47: this point to funnel people into sort of a dead-end
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 47: caller center type thing? We've all had those phone calls, right,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 47: where your call is important to us. However, do those
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 47: now exist just to exhaust people?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: It feels like it.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: No, that's what it feels like to me. I mean,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: that's what it feels like to me because also those
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: themes that are of the, you know, what the riot,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: rioters are saying, you know, and they're not doing a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: very good job at writing, but the, but the themes
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that are arising up and that they're talking about are
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: all the same and it's housing. It's not, I don't
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: think it's, I think that, that there's a narrative about
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: socialism that really is almost not, It's not actually happening
• 1:12:31
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  Speaker 47: Well, one thing that I will certainly bring up, and
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 47: In fact, a lot of those philosophies were worked out
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  Speaker 47: have up through the 60s where there was the New Deal, right?
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  Speaker 47: You still kept factories. You still kept all of these
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  Speaker 47: also had a guaranteed minimum standard of living.
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  Speaker 1: Of living.
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  Speaker 37: I would say at the risk of sounding like a
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  Speaker 37: That's why it never worked. A welfare state is not
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  Speaker 37: much better.
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  Speaker 47: Well, you know, that's an interesting point.
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  Speaker 1: All right, everybody, let's wrap this up. Just one more second.
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  Speaker 1: Finish your thought. All right.
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  Speaker 47: Sorry, Toby, quick here. So in terms of capitalism, it
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  Speaker 47: exists in many different forms. One of them was Keynesianism,
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  Speaker 47: which was the popular way of capitalist organizing up until
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  Speaker 47: the 70s or so that talked about making sure the
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  Speaker 47: population had a guaranteed standard. But capitalism versus socialism is
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  Speaker 47: private versus public means of production. Sorry we're out of time, everybody.
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  Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
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  Speaker 8: Rick Koster.
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  Speaker 37: Happy birthday to you.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Rick.
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  Speaker 29: Hello, hello, hello.
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  Speaker 1: Long time no see.
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  Speaker 4: You know what? Morgan, it's been almost four days.
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  Speaker 1: Almost four days.
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  Speaker 4: Which is a long time.
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  Speaker 1: The longing is... It was kind of hard over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you agree?
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It was.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to decide.
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  Speaker 9: And....
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  Speaker 4: Are you talking to me or Catherine?
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  Speaker 27: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess both of you now because you're,
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  Speaker 1: you know... I have you both now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, Catherine's book is nonfiction, so she
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  Speaker 4: got to pick from a number of real devils, and
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  Speaker 4: I had to make mine up. I know. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: But they're both very dark sort of concepts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose so. I mean, mine is tied around
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  Speaker 4: the idea of a albino orphan in New Orleans who
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: is sometimes bullied, but he happens to be a blues
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  Speaker 4: guitar prodigy, which buys him some sort of protection because
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: he's a quasi-celebrity, even though the genre of music he
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  Speaker 4: plays is not something that his contemporaries in high school
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: are familiar with or even like. I don't know any 14,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: 15-year-old kids that are listening to Rural blues, for example.
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  Speaker 4: But fortunately, he has a girlfriend who is a New
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: Orleans Saints cheerleader slash vampire. And that evens the playing
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  Speaker 4: field somewhat.
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  Speaker 1: I traveled for work down to Louisiana and New Orleans particularly.
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  Speaker 1: And the first thing I did was sit in a
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  Speaker 1: jazz club and immerse myself in the music world. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I changed my vibration the second I got there,
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  Speaker 1: to feel that and to smell the bar and the
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  Speaker 1: history there and get gritty. And that's what I loved
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  Speaker 1: about your writing, and that's also what I loved about
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: your writing, Kate. But I think this concept of him
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: being an outsider, your main character, forgive me, I'm blanking, Wyatt?
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  Speaker 4: Wyatt.
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  Speaker 8: Wyatt.
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  Speaker 40: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: He was an outsider and he was bullied. And so
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that a little bit, how
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: that manifests.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you said something about when you
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  Speaker 4: visited New Orleans and, uh, Catherine, have you been there?
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just, I was just there this spring actually.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all tell me if I'm insane. I spent a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time there, lived there briefly, but When you land
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: in that airport, in the Louis Armstrong Airport, and step
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  Speaker 4: off the plane, that city has a rhythm and a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: beat and a spirit unto itself. Agreed. It's almost eerie.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot not know that you're there, if that makes
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  Speaker 4: any sense. And so I've set two novels there, and
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  Speaker 4: I wrote a nonfiction book called Louisiana Music. And most
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: of the time I wrote it at the archives in
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  Speaker 4: Tulane University. So I could just immerse myself in that.
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  Speaker 4: But to me, that atmosphere is almost a protection and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: a salve for Wyatt, who was adopted by an elderly
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  Speaker 4: woman that owns a voodoo shop in the French Quarter.
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  Speaker 4: And that is a very real aspect of life down there,
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  Speaker 4: not just the tourist stuff where you go and buy
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: a drink. chicken foot or whatever to take back to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: the people in cedar rapids but wherever you're from no
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: i know um so he has this sense of of
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: protection and security that goes beyond everyday life and the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: dynamics of being a kind of an outsider in high
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: school but that attracted me that dynamic and that dichotomous sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of possibility I can tell that your understanding of that city,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the music, your musical experience, your journalistic experience. and just
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: your general appreciation for creating and art it comes through
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: in your writing it's beautiful, it really is and I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: love that all three of us appreciate that city so
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: much it's like a different.
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  Speaker 2: World I mean it's You're still in the United States,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: but it has its own vibe, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the empire of New Orleans.
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  Speaker 1: The trees, I feel like, even could talk and tell
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  Speaker 1: all the stories, the weeping willows, the architecture, all the homes.
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  Speaker 2: It's a place where the history is just kind of
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: in the... You can sort of feel the weight of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: the history in the air. It kind of has a
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: sort of... It just has a flavor to it.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: It does.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's unlike anywhere else.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's why Trent Reznor is... I mean, they
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: went to record there. They lived in a house.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There's a house on Esplanade Street that used to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: be a funeral home. Okay. And it became a recording studio.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: A recording studio. So Trent Reznor, yeah, they did. He
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: ended up moving there, I believe.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I think he did.
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  Speaker 4: There's a darkness to that city, and a lot of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: energy is almost pagan in that it celebrates that. And
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: I wonder... Catherine, when you were deciding to write Kingdom
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: of Devils, what is it about the darkness that appeals
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: to you? As an author, I'm not saying you're selling
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: yourself to the devil.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I get this question a lot
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  Speaker 2: because my book is about murderers and it's a true story,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and I spent years of my life kind
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: of collecting the evidence and living with these terrible people
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: who killed dozens of other Americans. And what is it
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  Speaker 2: that attracted me? I don't think I set out to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: sort of say to myself, I'm going to live in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: this dark place for six or eight years. It was
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: really more the sort of puzzle of it, like what
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: makes someone do terrible things? You know, what makes them...
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: drift into this place where they can become monstrous, as
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: you said, Morg. And I don't love the word monster
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, as soon as you say somebody's a monster,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: it kind of closes the door on understanding any more
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: about what they're doing. I understand.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I asked, like, sort of who gets
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: to decide who the monster is. And I think as
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the reader, we should talk about that. But then you guys,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: as the authors and, you know, historian and.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I guess it's really special that you chose these stories,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: or you chose this story to preserve in time and tell.
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  Speaker 31: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: Mine's a true story. And I don't know that I
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: can say I chose it. I think it chose me, honestly.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 38: It chose you.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you this, Rick, too. Sort
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: of how do you decide what to write about and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: how do your ideas come to you? Which for me
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: as a nonfiction writer, it's sort of fascinating to think
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: about like, What if the stories weren't already sketched? What
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: if I could just sit down and kind of make
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: up the characters? If I was talented enough to do that,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I might actually do it.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: I suspect that you are more than able to do that, Catherine.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: But there's... I think you said something in a podcast
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: I was listening to featuring you. I can't remember the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: name of the podcast, but it was something about the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: writers of historical... nonfiction and you said jokingly that it
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: took the burden of coming up with your own plot.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: I've often joked that that's true right that I you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: know if I could come up with the plots maybe
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: I would write fiction but history appealed to me because
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: the plot is already sort of mapped out.
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  Speaker 4: You know let me ask you this I wrote so
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: the novel previous to White Ghost Blues is called Grigri
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: Gumbo it's also set in New Orleans and it's about
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: voodoo and unleashing the power of evil does it really
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: exist and um that's an interesting concept that you could
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: tap into it accidentally which is the central theme of
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: this group of friends but anyway i chose to write
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: those two books because the idea of of darkness does
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: appeal to me like i would go to see a
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: horror film or read a horror novel or whatever But
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: there's also something, and I wonder if this appeals to you, Catherine,
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  Speaker 4: that if I'm immersing myself in this darkness, even if
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: I'm making it up or you are exploring something that
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: really happened, is it therapeutic in the way that you
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: got that out of your system and now you can
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: go about the rest of your day making jokes and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: laughing at stuff? Does that make any sense?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah. I mean, I think as a historian, I've
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: always been... drawn to the sort of darker sides of
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: American history. And it may be that, you know, spending
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: some time kind of looking that straight in the face,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: looking at the uglier parts of history straight in the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: face does make the rest of your life feel a
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: little bit lighter.
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  Speaker 36: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's... So as a historian, you.
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  Speaker 4: I won't, I won't.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you want to talk about you, Rick?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: This is amazing. I love this.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: I'm actually crashing your segment.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Rick does this a lot. Rick does this a lot.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Well, that's because what you're, I told you out in
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: the lobby, I just ordered your book last night and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't, I was, I did an, I questioned, I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: did a Q & A with a poet at the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: Merrill House, the writer in residence last night at Bank
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Square Books and I looked for your book and it
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: wasn't there.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 37: Oh.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: And they could order it for me.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: This is in Mystic?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: At Bank Square?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Is it supposed to be there?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 37: Oh, yeah, I know.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's supposed to be there.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: They had some signed copies pretty recently. So maybe it's
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: sold out.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: Let's hope.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: We can hope.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: I hope so.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: And the thing is, I didn't go ask at the counter.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: They said, Rick, it's time to go. I was looking.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: So I probably looked in the wrong place. Anyway, now
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: I lost what my thread was.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 19: Oh, sorry.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, forget it.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Well, like, OK, so we're talking about the outsider, the bully,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the human condition in fiction versus nonfiction. But I guess
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: why do you think people are so quick to turn
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: differences into reasons to exclude or ridicule or fear someone?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Either of you want to touch on that?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Were you were either of you? Bullied in high school
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: or junior high, middle school, I guess they call it now.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I think everybody experiences some form of that, you know?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to think that people get
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: through childhood without experiencing some type of bullying or ganging
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: up on, but don't we all sort of go through it?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: I get bullied as an adult.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: I get bullied as an adult.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 39: Oh, really?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: By Lee Elsie?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 38: No.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 17: He would never.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 50: He would never.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: I think of Lee as a protector.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: You know, but anyway, so I think if we were all,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: it's an indelible thing that stays with you. And so
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: I moved away from Texas 30 years ago. And once
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: I graduated high school, I had almost no contact with
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: anybody there. other than my core friends down there. So
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: 50 years later, it was time for our high school reunion,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: and people started reaching out from the south, are you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: going to be there, because they had this massive email
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: network or whatever. So I caught up with a couple
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: of people that I hadn't been in touch with, and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: the whole point of this is a bunch of them
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: have lunch every month that have never gone away, and
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: the topic came up, who was the biggest bully of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: your high school class? This is 50 years down. Some
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: of these guys are big ex-athletes and some of them
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: were nerds or whatever. Every one of them said the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: same person's name was the bully. And they remembered that
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: guy 50 years down the road.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 30: Down the road.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: It's a core memory. It's a thing that's functionally in
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: your DNA. I feel like that's what is, isn't that epigenetics?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 35: Technically? Technically.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it never goes away, right?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are the kinds of experiences you carry
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: with you for the rest of your life.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Can it be, in my case, so I revisited
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: a little bit of that in White Ghost Blues, but
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: can it be a good thing that you were bullied?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: Do you react in a way that is.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to ask.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Is can you, in the face of adversity, can you rise?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: And can you, I mean, I think that's a little
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: bit where the fiction piece comes in. But also in
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: the human condition and relating it to yourself because you realize, okay,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: I could alchemize my pain and turn it into something
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: productive and help people verse.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Gone a murderous murdering spree and summoning the demons.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Well, what do you do with your adversity? Yeah, what
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: do you do with it? Look, we all suffer. We
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: all have bad things happen to us. And so.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: Were your devils bullied or did they come from?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, my main characters in my book
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: are two brothers who lived through the American Revolution and.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: by some accounts, there are sort of Southern folk traditions
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: that suggest they probably were on the wrong side of
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: the war or their family were loyalists. And I've written
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: a lot about the fact that loyalists coming out of
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: the American Revolution were bullied. You know, people remembered who
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: they were. They remembered that, you know, they'd had these
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: sort of bitter disputes with their neighbors and that didn't
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: go away right away. So there is some evidence that
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: maybe that That went into their makeup. You know, that's something...
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: They probably lived through rough things in their youth.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: They've been through it. They saw some stuff.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: You know, which many people had in that era. It
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: was a violent time, you know?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no justification for what they ended up doing.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 39: No, right.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: And, you know, not that I'm trying to do that,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: but this is the question that sort of sucked me
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: and that fascinated me, really, was why do people do
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: bad things? Why did they do these things, you know?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: And so... it may be the case that their background
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: has something, plays something of a role.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: We have a few minutes left, just so you guys know,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: so we can begin to tie it up a little
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: bit with this piece of the discussion before another break.
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  Speaker 1: But if a young person feels like an outsider today,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: what would you want them to understand about their own story?
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  Speaker 4: Catherine. Catherine.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Think about the girls.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're all outsiders in a way. I mean, look,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: what I tell my kids and my students is, like,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: the thing about you that's different, that's your gift. Like,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: that's the cool thing.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Superpower.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: That's your superpower, you know? So feeling like an outsider, yeah,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: it sucks. You know, nobody wants to feel like I'm
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: the only one that does this or has this and
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: I'm alone. But honestly, you've got to turn it around
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: and think about, like, thing the thing about me that's
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: different that's what makes me special you know.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: No more historical violence no more all right let's tie
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  Speaker 1: this up rick last thoughts uh sub stack do you
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about your sub stack i'm sorry do
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  Speaker 4: It's called i write good people should subscribe oh i
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: like it it's free he does write good it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: It is hilarious. You're probably one of the funniest human
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: beings on the planet, Rick, I've got to say.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for saying that. I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 17: Thank you for having me in here today.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for coming. Catherine, it was a pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: See you after the break.
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  Speaker 1: I have two amazing human beings next to me on
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: either side. Author Rick Koster and author Catherine Grandjean. For
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the next hour, if y'all don't mind, we're going to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: dive into Kingdom of Devils.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk Kingdom. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 41: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: Um, this book is amazing. Congratulations. Uh, it is really
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: gaining traction. I think that you've done super well for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I know that all of, girl, all of our family
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: and friends are like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's a wonderful life. Everybody in my life
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: is trying to sell this book.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: The good life though. That is, it's like, welcome to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: the good life. I mean, this is amazing. You see
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: how loved you are. It's a fabulous book. fabulous thing.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: That has been a nice benefit of writing a book.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 42: Yeah.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Realizing how many amazing people I have in my life.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: You know, this wasn't, this was just not a blip
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: on the radar in your life. This was 10 years.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This was like a decade of my life.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: You played a historian and detective essentially. And we were
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: talking off the air with Rick about how you didn't
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: really find this story. This story found you.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 36: Yeah.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: It was an accident. Honestly, I did not set out
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: to write this book. I didn't know I was going
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: to write this book.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: It kind of just fell into my lap. So as
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: you said, I'm a historian and I teach. And maybe
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: like eight or 10 years ago, I was teaching a
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: course on violence in early America. And I assigned my
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: students an article that I had never read, which is
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: sort of bad practice as a teacher, but I did it.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Awesome professor.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Because I was trying to look for a way for
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: them to kind of brainstorm about what they might want
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: to write about in their own projects. So I picked
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: this old article that was kind of a roundup of
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: violent episodes in American history. And in it, these two
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: brothers were mentioned, the Harps.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 40: Yeah.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Makaisha and Willie Harp, who in the 1790s, just after
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: the American Revolution, went on this kind of wild killing spree.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: And I was immediately just blown away because I had
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: never heard of this story before. And by this point,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: I had already been teaching American history for years. And
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is this?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: What?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Like, what is this story about? Who were these people
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: and how come I've never heard of it? So that's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: kind of how it started. And I feel like it
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: was just, I was kind of immediately sucked.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: In and couldn't put it down.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: So when people are like, why did you decide to
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: write about this story? I feel like it was not volitional.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: It just came to me and I couldn't resist.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: So this is, you know, this is, it's an unsettling
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: chapter of American history. It's a dark chapter, even though
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: it's early on.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's the beginning. Like this is the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: dawn of the United States. This is a time when
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: like nobody really knows what the United States is going
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: to be. And only two presidents have ever been in
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: the highest office of the nation. And people are still
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: kind of licking their wounds after the revolutionary war. It's,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: it's very early.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: So the title, the kingdom of devils, it's, In my opinion,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: it's haunting and I love it. What or who is
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: the kingdom in your book? And what does that phrase
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: reveal about the world these people inhabited?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: It's a dark world. I mean, the title Kingdom of
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: Devils came from a couple of quotes, descriptions really of
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: the back country or sort of the American frontier in
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: the era of the revolution, which was a pretty rough
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: and tumble. I mean, it was a brutal kind of
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: a world in which, you know, there wasn't much government
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: to kind of corral people's behavior. There weren't many protections.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: There were not a lot of safety nets and there
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: was violence, you know, so people who, who sort of
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: witnessed or traveled through the southern backcountry in the late
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: 18th century often said things like, you know, is this
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: really hell? Or is this sort of like, you know,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: is this place actually hell? And the men here, devils
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: who have sort of already kind of passed on to
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: the next life. And so it's just a kind of
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: evocation of how difficult and sort of, you know... rough
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: life could really be in this place and time.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: Will you like history?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 40: Yeah.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: History often remembers, you know, the leaders, the loudest, the, the, um,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: the big wars, the famous declarations, those things. But this,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: like this brings us down to the nitty gritty of
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: the ordinary life.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: It's like life on the ground.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: It's life on the ground.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: These people were contemporaries with like, this is the time
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams and George Washington. And
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: those people kind of come into my book, in various
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: moments because, you know, the nation is kind of getting
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: onto its feet. But it's a different kind of a
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: look at the founding era.
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  Speaker 24: It is.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: But there's but again, these this is why I love
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: having you on so we can really interweave and talk
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: about present day and how it sort of fits with
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: present day history. I thought you did a phenomenal job
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: in the book of just really bringing the reader to
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: that themselves, that realization of, you know, how far have
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: we come and that sort of thing. But the Hart brothers,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they are, they're sort of portrayed as monsters
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: motivated by bloodlust. But there is this, you know, there
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: are circumstances around that.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the riddle of the book. I mean, and
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: that's kind of, that's the mystery that sucked me in.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Why did they do this, right? They killed probably about
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: two dozen people in about a nine-month time frame, part
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: of which they were in jail for. Land was a
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: part of it.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: Women were a part of it.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: Their wives were with them on the spree.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: Children were a part of it.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, babies were born during the spree. It's a wild story.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: It's a wild, wild story. But one of the craziest
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: things about this story is that nobody has ever really
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: explained why. You know, I mean, there people at the
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: time said things like they were bloodthirsty or they were
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: just monsters or they were evil and frankly in the
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: generations that followed nobody ever really sort of sufficiently explained
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: you know what might have precipitated all of this so
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: that's kind of That's the drama that unfolds.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: That's the obsessiveness.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Of me trying to piece together, like, how to even
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: begin to make sense of what they did.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: While I still have Rick here, because I know you're
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: going to stay for another 15 or so, but the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: creative part of it I found fascinating. You also came
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: out with an audible for your book where Don Harvey,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: you hired as the narrator specifically, who's fabulous. The music
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: in the book, the maps, the pictures that go alongside
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: that you've gathered in your research. It's a beautiful, it
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: really is a beautiful work.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, the audio book is great, actually.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 31: I love the audio book.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: It's got Appalachian folk music.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 24: Yes.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Custom recorded, like singers and a banjo player. And that
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: came about because, you know, as I mentioned, their wives
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: are part of this story. William and Kaj's wives are
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: sort of along for the ride in this murder spree.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: But Appalachian women in this era are pretty hard to...
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: They're hard nuts to crack. They did not leave behind
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of evidence. And it's kind of hard to...
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: wrap your mind around, like, how much are they part
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: of these terrible deeds? Are they culpable? Are they guilty?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 35: Are they.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: So one of the ways I tried to sort of
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: come at them was to think about folk songs, which
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: women kind of kept alive, and they sang as they
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: sewed and washed and took care of their children. They
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: would sing murder ballads and other folk songs. And so.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: let's do a little laundry, sing a little murder ballad.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, that's kind of like, look, that's
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: the world, the world that I was writing about. So,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's how that happened. You know, the music
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: is part of the story. It was part of the
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: creative process.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: It really came through. I mean, it really just, the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: experience for me, um, was lovely just as your sister.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Um, and looking up to you intellectually, I mean, speaking,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: just like, just watching this whole, like last 10 years, um,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: go by and coming all to fruition. It's really, really gorgeous.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: But I know, Rick, you can appreciate the creative process.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I was hoping, excuse me, Catherine, I think people
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: listening might be interested, particularly if they are trying to
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: be writers or are writers. There's a very different process
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: in getting contract for a book deal if you're writing
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: fiction as opposed to nonfiction. And in your case, a
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: nonfiction writer typically comes up with a proposal to submit
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: to an agent and a sample of writing it. And
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: I assume that's sort of how you went about it.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: Whereas the fiction writer has to turn in an entire manuscript.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: So if you didn't know the answer to what you
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: were researching and writing about, was that a tough sell?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: And it, How long had you worked on it before
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: you secured an agent?
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Boy, Rick, that's a great question. And the truth is
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: I worked on this story for years before I signed
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: with an agent. What happened was I presented a kind
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: of small chunk at the very beginning of this process,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: pretty shortly after I found the story. I workshopped a
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: piece of writing at Massachusetts Historical Society and The woman
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: who ended up becoming my agent reached out to me then.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: She was interested in the story. And at that point,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: I sort of said, I don't even know what this
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: book is right now. Like, I've not been to all
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: the places I need to go to. I don't know
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: what story I'm telling yet. But I'll call you when
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: I think I know that. And so probably about four
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: years later, I called her up and I said, Catherine?
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: I think I'm ready.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: Do you remember me?
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 33: Yeah.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is going to sound crazy. We
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: had a conversation eons ago. And she's like, oh, yeah,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: I remember you. Like, send me something. But the truth is,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: I wanted to know that I had a grip on
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: the story before I started to go down that path
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: and signed contracts and, like, locked myself into deadlines. And,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I wanted to know that I
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: had a pretty good.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: Well, as Morgan just referred to, you've got a lot
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: of supplemental stuff that's really cool and attractive in terms
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: of a big package, including the Appalachian folk music. So
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: you had your publisher, Random House, was clearly behind you
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: on this.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 24: Yeah.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: Or was that part of your original proposal? I envision
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: musical component or.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: No, I, you know, the proposal was pretty elaborate. Like
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: when you are workshopping, when you're sort of shopping something
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: around to commercial presses, they really want to know you
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: can do it. So I worked on that proposal for
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: several months, I would say, and the writing sample. But,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: and Molly Turpin, my editor, immediately loved the project. She
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: just kind of fell in love with it and loved
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: that it was sort of about a place and time
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: that people don't typically write about but the folk music
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: thing that came in much later on, you know, I
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: didn't know that was going to be part of the
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: story I was telling. And it really was the producer
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: of my audio book, Kirby Crosby, who's from Kentucky, who
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: sort of said, I love that you write about these
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: murder ballads and kind of bring that in. And I
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: want to, I want to make that part of the listening,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: listening experience too. And I, I thought, great. You know,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: like that was new to me. I was like, Oh,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: audio books that have music. I had never heard of that.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: It really came through. It really came through. It was
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: one of the things that really added to the experience,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: brought me back in time, transported me, really helped me
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: feel the history.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the name of the game.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was sort of primal as a woman too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was very interesting and it actually, I made parallels to,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even the Lindsay Clancy trial going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there is, there are laws about the culpability
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  Speaker 1: of these women.
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  Speaker 39: Right.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the big questions. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: are they also guilty?
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: Are they guilty?
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  Speaker 2: Or are they just 18th century wives who basically look,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: have to kind of go along like legally and culturally women,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: especially married women in this period don't really have, legal
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  Speaker 2: and political identities separate from their husbands. And that seems
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: to be the attitude of the courts in Kentucky and
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: the other places that are involved in this story, that
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: it's very clear that 18th century juries just could not
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: imagine women were capable of committing heinous actions like murder.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: They just seem very reluctant to hold the women accountable
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: at all. Personally, I don't think it's that cut and dry.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's really complicated.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: But that is one of the sort of mysteries that
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: I invite the reader into. Like, how do we think
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  Speaker 2: about these women that are with them for the spray?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. How much time do we have, Engineer? Four
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: minutes and counting. Let's talk about the American dream.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's talk about it.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Who gets included in the American dream?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what this book is about at
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: its core.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is a great sort of propulsive
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: murder story.
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  Speaker 47: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to read it on that level, you
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: can read it on that level. It is also about, though,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: the American Revolution and the world that came out of
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: the revolution. And one of the things that came out
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: of the revolution, this is not how people think about
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: the American Revolution. but it's more than the political separation
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: with Britain. It's more than the creation of the United
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: States and the kind of political experiment of that. One
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: of the things that the revolution does is that it
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: kind of changes the entire social compact. Once you say
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: no more monarchy, that's a different world because under monarchy,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: most people are just subjects, right? They And there was
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: not too much fluidity in the social order under the king.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: There was just this kind of world of if your
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: father was a shoemaker, you might expect also to be
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: a shoemaker. But throwing away monarchy also meant giving birth
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  Speaker 2: to a new world of at least equality of opportunity
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: and a world in which men can kind of pursue
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: happiness and chase dreams. to the extent that their talents
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: will take them there. So it is the beginning of
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: the American dream in the way that we, I think,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: still kind of conceive of it. it, you know? And
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: so that's part of the narrative of this story as well. Like,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: what does it mean for people to be living in this,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: under this new system?
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 39: Yeah.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: I have an American dream. I would love to see...
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: First of all, I encourage... everybody to continue to read
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: and buy books because I feel like that's getting to
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: be a lost dynamic in our country and it scares
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: the hell out of me. But it wouldn't bother me
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: either if there was a film of Kingdom of Devils.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 35: Oh, yeah.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: Has there been interest?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I have had a few inquiries. You know, I wrote
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: this book. It is sort of cinematic in its approach.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: And I did write it so that if you wanted
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: to adapt it, you could sort of move scene by
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: scene and it's fairly immersive in the way that it
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: kind of places you in the streets of Knoxville or
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: kind of floating down the Mississippi River. So yeah, would
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: I like to see a Netflix series come out of this?
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  Speaker 4: I would also, in my part of this conversation, just
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: by saying not to reduce art or literature or anything
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: to something so simplistic as a title or But if
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: you think you didn't hit a home run by coming
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: up with Kingdom of Devils, seriously, how can you ignore that? Right?
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome, Rick. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm appreciative that you guys let me crash this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's been fun.
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  Speaker 4: Pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 39: Well, good morning and welcome to this week's edition of
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  Speaker 39: fun with because, you know, we often celebrate places and things,
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  Speaker 39: but not people, you know. And it dawned on me
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  Speaker 39: when I was watching a special, like a documentary on
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  Speaker 39: the seven wonders of the world.
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  Speaker 4: And while they were nice, you know, great, things.
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  Speaker 39: That past civilizations did with the pyramids and Great Wall
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  Speaker 39: to them and.
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  Speaker 4: Marvel over them.
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  Speaker 39: It got me thinking that what if we redid the
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  Speaker 39: seven wonders of the world?
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  Speaker 4: Just think about it.
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  Speaker 39: What if the seven wonders of the world were not
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  Speaker 39: physical things to look at but things that We do
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  Speaker 39: as ordinary people doing extraordinary things every day.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't hear about it.
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  Speaker 39: Because, you know, of the tremendous noise out there that
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 39: drowns out these wonderful things that I would call wonders
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  Speaker 39: of the world.
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  Speaker 4: And you know who they are? You know what those
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 4: seven wonders are?
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  Speaker 8: Y-O-U.
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  Speaker 18: You.
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  Speaker 8: It's you.
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  Speaker 4: It's mankind.
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  Speaker 39: So I came up with my own seven. And, you know,
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  Speaker 39: the first one is the most important. It drives everything.
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  Speaker 39: The first one is love. And I keep thinking of
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 39: that Beatles song, All You Need Is Love. Nothing you
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  Speaker 39: can do that can't be done. Nothing you can sing
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  Speaker 39: that can't be sung. Nothing you can do, but you
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  Speaker 39: can learn how to feel inside.
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  Speaker 4: It's easy.
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  Speaker 39: All you need is love. So for me, it's that.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 39: And I want, you know, do you remember when you
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 39: first experienced love, the euphoria, the power you couldn't get
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  Speaker 39: enough of, of that feeling you had to share it
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  Speaker 39: with somebody and to make somebody else happy? It's beyond
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 39: any It could light up cities if you plugged in
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  Speaker 39: that love. And so to me, you know, that's the
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 39: most important thing because we give it to our kids,
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 39: our families, friends. And that would be my first wonder
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 39: of the world.
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  Speaker 4: That would be love.
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  Speaker 39: The second one, the wonder of.
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  Speaker 8: The human mind.
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  Speaker 39: You know, they say the mind is a terrible thing
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 39: to waste, but we didn't waste it. We just don't
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 39: think about it enough. We started with nothing. Our imagination
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 39: took over from there. It discovered everything and solved problems
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 39: once we thought impossible to solve. Think about the first
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 39: human beings here. They didn't have our tools, our technology.
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  Speaker 39: They couldn't even get a sandwich. They had to struggle
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 39: to eat, to sleep, to survive. And their mind was
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 39: the reason And then later, the modern-day mind just continues
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 39: to marvel. The third wonder of the world is the
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 39: wonder of compassion. It's one of our most important contributions
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 39: to humanity. We just don't have enough of it. I'm
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 39: not going to dwell on it, but it's important that
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 39: we express compassion all the time in everyday life. The
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  Speaker 39: fourth one is the wonder of resilience. Think about this one.
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  Speaker 39: How resilient have we been? You know, I mean, we've
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 39: been through everything. We've endured wars, mass murders, natural disasters,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 39: economic collapses, personal tragedies, unimaginable. The loss of family and friends, homes,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 39: and impossible circumstances to overcome. Yet, we do, and we rebuild,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 39: and we begin anew. The fifth wonder of the world,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 39: in my mind, is the Wonder of imagination and creativity.
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  Speaker 4: My favorite.
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  Speaker 39: We not only survive, we create. Think about all the
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 39: stuff we create for the world. Music and artists and
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 39: paintings and inventions and medicine. The list is too lengthy.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 39: And now, as I said in my past takes, the
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  Speaker 39: flying car is next. It's an expression of the.
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  Speaker 4: Beauty of our lives.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 39: How we can imagine Just imagine, you know, what life
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 39: would be like if we didn't have that. The sixth
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 39: wonder of the world for me is the wonder of forgiveness.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 39: I know it's our most difficult one, but our most
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 39: powerful one as human beings. You know, anger and hurtful
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 39: experiences doesn't mean we forget. But hatred can become sort
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 39: of a prison to be in. And, you know, we
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  Speaker 39: can overcome that. The seventh wonder of the world is
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  Speaker 39: my favorite. It's the reason we get up every day.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 39: It's the wonder of hope. The most important one. Every
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 39: generation inherits a world filled with problems. You know, no
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 39: one gets out of that alive. Yet, we continue to
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 39: move forward to make a difference. Hope is what persuades
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 39: us to plant even like a tree whose shade someday,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 39: we'll never see it, but the next generations will. The
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 39: future has not yet even been written.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: Without hope, it won't.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 39: So we still stay, you know, focused, you know, because
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 39: if we don't, we'll be on that treadmill going.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 4: Nowhere fast.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 39: I don't know, humanity's greatest wonder. It is simply what
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 39: civilizations have accomplished, you know, and they've accomplished a lot.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 39: It is what we are capable of, though, becoming. So
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 39: while tourists pack all these places and love those seven wonders,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 39: and they are great, they marvel over it. But I
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 39: marvel over these seven wonders of the world. So, Let's
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 39: think about these seven wonders of the world of you
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 39: that involve love and the human mind and compassion and
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 39: resilience and imagination and forgiveness and hope for humanity.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: It does exist. It is real. It's right under your nose.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 4: It is, in fact, you.
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  Speaker 28: If I live to see the seven wonders, I'll make
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 28: a prayer to the rainbows there. I'll never live to
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 28: match the beauty of care. Rainbows there.
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  Speaker 6: Rainbows there.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning. I'm Sean Murphy. Partly sunny today, breezy.
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  Speaker 31: And in the 50s for a high.
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  Speaker 32: Connecticut State Police responded to a single vehicle crash Tuesday
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  Speaker 32: night near 972 North Main Street in Killingly. An occupant
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  Speaker 32: crews responded, and the roadway was blocked as authorities investigated. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 32: state police arrested 20-year-old Landon Carravo of Putnam in two
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 32: separate child sexual abuse investigations. He faces multiple charges, including
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  Speaker 32: sexual assault and enticing a minor by computer. His bond
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  Speaker 32: East Lime Zoning Commission voted 4-2 to restrict new short-term
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 32: rentals to two commercial districts requiring a minimum 14-day stay
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  Speaker 32: on Liberty Street in Pawketuck. The development includes two four-story
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  Speaker 32: office buildings and a light manufacturing factory. Residents have raised
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  Speaker 32: concerns about traffic, water supply, and environmental impacts. Rhode Island
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  Speaker 32: Democratic Party Chair Elizabeth Beretta Perrick resigned Tuesday following her
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  Speaker 32: husband's indictment in an alleged $ 20 million college fund scheme
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  Speaker 32: in Ohio. Michael Perrick faces racketeering and fraud allegations involving
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. For the last half hour, this is Lady Mo.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: I have my sister, amazing author, historian, extraordinaire, associate professor
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: at Wellesley University. Here next to us, she is talking
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  Speaker 1: to us this morning about her book, Kingdom of Devils.
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  Speaker 1: Before we dive back into it, Kate, I do have
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow we have red Yankee coming on and then Friday, uh, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: let us know, buddy, that would be great. Let's dive
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  Speaker 1: into the book, Kingdom of Devils, a little bit more, Kate,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: for the last half hour. I think that you've been realizing, obviously,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: we talked about the American dream before the last break,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: and I do think it's still worth expanding on, you know,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: I guess, who gets included in that. But then also,
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  Speaker 1: moving on, I want to discuss really why you think
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: these patterns of violence still persist today, you know, that
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: you brought up in the book and in the early
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: Republic in the shadow of the American Revolution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would say that.
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  Speaker 2: This was kind of a plot twist for me when
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: I was working on the book. I thought I was
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: really kind of just going to write a book about
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: the revolutionary era and it was going to be about
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: the 18th century. But I realized along the way it
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: was feeling surprisingly relevant and urgent and kind of resonant
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: to me as a 21st century American. This book is
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: about men staging spectacular... moments of violence to make a
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: statement of sorts, you know? So, um, and there are
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: some kind of cryptic pieces of evidence that have survived
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: about what they thought they were doing, including for instance,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: the idea that they had declared war on fellow Americans, um,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: in retaliation for some sort of injury that had been
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: done to them. And so, um, just think about whether
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: that feels like you recognize it. Right. And I started to,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd come home from spending the day in
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: the archives in Louisville or in Jackson, Mississippi and turn
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: on the news. And I would, and I realized that
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: I was watching the news differently and that I could
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: sort of understand and read some of these terrible moments
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: of mass violence in a kind of different way.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: Tone, a different way.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: And so, not that there's like a direct genealogy, exactly,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: but I think the harps represent in some ways the
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: beginning of a pattern of violence that is still with us,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: that is really, that's about sort of expressing anger and
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: frustration and sort of the feeling that you've been robbed
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: of something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it examines your book examines that. I think the
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: promises like that a new nation puts out there when the.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: This is the magical thing about America. And it's the
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: magic of the American Revolution too. It's very freeing and
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: it promises, you know, liberty, equality, pursuit of happiness. It's
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: the system we're still living with, which, and it's really
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: a kind of, I think one of the more momentous
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: things that has happened in human history that we sort
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: of are able to live in this society that promises
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: all of those things. I do think, though, there's a
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: tax that comes with that because what comes out of
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: the world that the revolution made is the fact that
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: there will be winners and losers. If everyone's free to
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: compete and to sort of follow their dreams to the
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: extent that their talents will really realize them, then there
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: are going to be people who are able to fulfill
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: those dreams and there are going to be people who
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: are left behind. And the book in some ways is
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: really about the people that America leaves behind.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this then. When a society
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: is divided and institutions are under strain and people lose
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: confidence in their future, what responsibilities do leaders have? And
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: the powers that be have to prevent grievances from escalating.
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  Speaker 9: Mm.
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  Speaker 1: Into violence and unrest?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we have to start facing these things.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, you know, what responsibility do leaders have?
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: I think we all have some responsibility. I think we
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: all need to kind of grapple with why are we
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: living with these sort of terrible moments of violence in
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: which innocent Americans' lives are taken. I'm a historian. I'm
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: not a, you know, look, I'm not usually in the
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: business of prescribing what should we do, right?
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 31: But I do.
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  Speaker 1: Think if we.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: Want to have any hope of, like, mitigating these problems,
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: the first step is to understand why they're happening. You know,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: and I don't think Americans have really done that yet.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've really stared it in the face
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: and And try to understand what's motivating some of it.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: And I think that's job one.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: Job one.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: That's job one.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 35: Right?
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 27: Yeah.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 39: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: What are, let's see, the question about, I guess, when
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: does a legitimate grievance become a justification for harming someone?
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: someone who had a little, little or nothing to do
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't look, there's never a justification, you know, and
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: that's one, that's probably a thing I should make clear.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: There are people who I've had some readers who think
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: I'm too sympathetic to these characters.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I brought the question up.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: And the truth is I'm not sympathetic. I just want
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: to understand, you know, and I think part of, part
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: of the process of trying to understand people's actions is
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: you have to get into their perspective and really try
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: to inhabit it And feel the things that they felt.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: And so I'm not here to justify grievances and anger
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: and frustration, however legitimate those complaints may be. It's never
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: an excuse. Yeah, never. It's never, ever an excuse.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: But you immersed yourself in those gruesome details, the disturbing
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: historical events.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not pretty.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: It's not pretty. Yeah, that's true.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: And it sticks with you, like Rick said, in a
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: way that shifts the lens in which you see the
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: world or how you look at things, I think.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy to hear you say that.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm holding on to that hope because do
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: you really think that people are learning from history? As
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: a historian? Like, I love you and I love history.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 40: Yeah.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: And I like learning about it.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: But have we sort of taken the lessons to heart?
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: But our behaviors, yeah.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: No, no. Yeah, no, I wish we were learning more
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: from history. I think... I don't know that I totally
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: subscribe to the idea that history repeats itself, but it
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: definitely rhymes, right?
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 37: So....
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: We need to be more, I think, literate in American history.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I think we're going in the other direction
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: and think too little about what we might be able
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: to apply from history to the lives we're living today.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's important then, as an accomplished historian,
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: when writing a book like this, it requires instincts? as
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: a storyteller that almost can't be taught?
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting question. Yeah.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: Did you feel that?
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do feel that. I mean, so we haven't
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: really talked about this, but this book is like, it
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: is very narrative. And I really, you know, it is, it's,
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: I flex my sort of storytelling muscles in the book
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: in a way that even I think typical historians who
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: do what I do don't.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 28: Agreed.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: So I definitely did lean into that. And it kind of,
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: I think of it as having a kind of accordion
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: sort of a structure where you're sort of in these
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: intimate moments with the harps. And then the lens kind
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: of widens outward to look at the wider scope of
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: America and kind of, it moves back and forth. And
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: the reason why I'm saying this is that there was
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: a point at which my editor said to me, how
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: do you know when to do that? Like, how do
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: you know when to move between the storytelling and the
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: kind of moving the reader over to the side to
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: sort of say something bigger about the Adams presidency or
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: the Mississippi river? And I said, I don't know how
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: I know how to do. It's just, it's like alchemy.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: It's instinctual.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: It's just instinctive. It's like, um, It's like writing music,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: you know, you kind of feel the rhythms of the
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: story and the way it's moving and the pace and
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: you kind of realize in the moment, okay, the concerto
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: has to kind of go off in this direction for
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: a while and then kind of come back around. So
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just one of those things.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: It's like a gut level kind of a thing as
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: a writer.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: I noticed that and you do it very well. the
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: ebb and flow, it just seems very organic in nature. The,
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: those two pieces of the book, I recognized that. And
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: so I just think it's, it's hard to do as
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: a historian because a lot of the time you're just
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: like spewing out facts and.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't want this book to be like that.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 46: Right.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, yeah, I didn't want it to
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: be dry. I want it to be a book that
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: people could read. Everybody can read, you know? I.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: I, Was there anything that didn't, I guess, that you
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: really invested yourself in, in discoveries and stuff that you
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: became deeply appreciative of in this story that didn't make
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: it into the book? I guess, how do you decide
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: what belongs in the narrative? And what has to be
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: left out?
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: You know, that's difficult. One of the things that's sort
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: of unusual about this book is there are a couple
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: of moments when I'm in it. And, you know, like
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: making a discovery or sort of pulling out a court
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: record from a box in the Knox County archives.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: Love that piece.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: Which really, I think I had to be sort of
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: pushed into doing that. Um, my editor had to say,
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a couple, I think you should write
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: yourself in Kate. Like there's some moments where the hinge
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: has to be you finding this kind of critical piece. Um,
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: And I had so many sort of wild experiences doing
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: the research that I think one of the things that
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: it's sort of a shame I couldn't do more of that,
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: like pulling in the people that I met, this sort
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: of crazy ride of driving hundreds of miles in western
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: Kentucky through rainstorms and the bayou and knocking on the
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: doors of county clerks and begging them to go into
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: their vaults to see if there was any depositions that
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: survived from 1798.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: Just that kind of groundwork.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a time I was in some
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: county courthouse in Mississippi looking for like long lost court
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: records from the early 1800s. And, you know, I sort
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: of talked my way into some back room and a
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: A guy in prison fatigues who worked at the courthouse
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: helped me sort of pull down all the record books
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: from the shelves and kind of go through them. And
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: it was just, you know, and I was like.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: Surreal moment right there. It takes a village.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: And like the characters that I met along the way,
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: those people I wish could be in the book more.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 8: But, you know.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: Well, hey, listen, this book is really taking off. It's amazing.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing read. We're going to put the link
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: in on the Facebook feed and all of that stuff
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 1: so people can find you and find your book. I
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: suggest the Audible if you want to drive around and
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: listen to it because you get really amazing music and
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: a really wonderful narrator as well. You have a few.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: Do you have a few events coming up? You have
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: one tonight and you have one locally in Norwich. I do.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: I'm at Wellesley Books in Massachusetts tonight. The next time
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: I'm in Connecticut will be November 2nd at the Otis
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: Library in Norwich. And I'll be talking about the book
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: and signing books. There will be books for sale there
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: if people want to come. I would love for people
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: to come out to that.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so fun. And what are you doing for Halloween?
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. Handing out candy and putting on my witch hat.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. What are the girls going to be?
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Laura's doing. Carrie is going to be,
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: she and her friends, you know, the new thing is
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: like everybody does group costumes. This is a thing now
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: that was not really.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: So her friends are being the strawberry shortcake. gang, you know,
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: and I think Carrie is lemon meringue.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, fun.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: We are hard at work putting that costume together.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 17: I love this.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for pictures. Well, uh, my little is
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: going to be Michael Myers for Halloween.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 31: Oh, I love it.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I tried to convince Carrie and her best
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: friend to be Michael Myers and Lori from Halloween.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: But neither one of them wanted to be Michael Myers.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 27: I know.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: Epic, epic, epic. So, um, any last thoughts before we go?
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, this has been great. It's been
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. I think we're
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• 2:37:36
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• 2:37:40
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