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#23: Gill1918 presents Andrew Simmons and Niko Karavolos "The Coaching Philosophy Triad" · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  For more information. Now let's get into today's
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  topic. This is Andrew Simmons.
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  And this is Nico Caravalos. And we're super excited to sit
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  down with you all today and talk about creating a culture that
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  leads the track. I coach a group called Peak
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  Performance running here in Denver, Co.
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  And Nico, you coach. Coach a out of a shrink
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  conditioning facility called Ignite Fitness in Elmhurst, IL.
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  And we both coach a similar environment, which is one of the
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  reasons that we feel this is a really great story to tell all
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  of you guys about how we believe that the culture that you create
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  inside your team is something that leaves a lasting impact.
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  We both coach a really similar environment.
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  We both feel that as coaches, we have an individual impact, but
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  yet create an environment for those individuals as a team.
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  So it gives both an individual component and a team component.
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  I coach only club track. Nico, you're lucky enough to
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  coach both the in season high school track and field athletes
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  as well as club athletes. And I'm going to let you kind of
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  share a little bit about our back story, how we met and got
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  to kind of where we are today. So I'll keep.
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  This pretty short. Both Andrew and I come from
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  similar backgrounds into our fashions.
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  We came into track and field because it was a passion of both
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  of ours that led us to jumping into the Altus mentorship last
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  year. And since then, within that
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  within that mentorship, we created a project, which was our
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  final project that was really discussing the ideas of building
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  adequate team culture and trying to steer coaching in a direction
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  that is more of A, and I'll use it, Andrew's tag line here,
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  moving from a dialogue from a dictatorship to a dialogue.
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  The idea that coaches don't have to be, you know, a dictator and
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  and telling athletes what to do, but you can have a relationship
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  with an athlete so that they can also help you down the path of
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  what they need more So what you think they need.
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  Yeah, exactly. And I think what comes out of
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  this is that every athlete that you have in front of you is
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  going to shape and define who you are as a coach.
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  You'll be able to look back in three years, four years, five
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  years and be able to highlight, you know, individuals, whether
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  that's individual moments or conversations or, you know,
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  complete shifts in your culture. I can think about athletes.
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  And I'm sure many of you that are listening can think about
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  athletes that have come in and, you know, maybe their behaviors
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  and how they interact with other people doesn't fit how we do it
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  here piece. And sometimes that can be
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  destructive for a culture. But then also sometimes you have
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  people that come in because your team changes every single year
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  that when some people come in, it's like, Oh my gosh, they're
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  like a breath of fresh air. They want to move that culture
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  forward because they are about it.
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  And it's not meaning that every person that's best for the team
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  is about it. Sometimes those people that are
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  initially a stick in the mud that requires some trust
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  building and things like that, those are the ones that you're
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  going to learn from the most. And So what we have found kind
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  of in this journey and as part of our final project was kind of
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  this intertwining of philosophies.
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  And we looked way back into philosophy, looking all the way
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  back at Aristotle, you know, ethos, pathos and logos for
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  those that are familiar. And what we found is that there
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  was kind of a key problem is that the culture that's created
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  by a coach. And again, we're all going to be
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  able to think of scenarios where we can look at a team and say,
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  this has a great culture. And we can also look at other
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  teams that have no culture or identity.
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  And part of that is because culture is a reflection of your
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  philosophy as a coach. And what's really important
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  there is being able to look at this and be able to self
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  analyze. This is a big core element of
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  what we do in workshops. It's a big core element of what
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  our book is about. We have an upcoming book to be
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  released soon, so super excited to share all of that with you
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  guys when that time comes. But there was a core piece there
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  that Nikko alluded to and it was the idea that coaching from the
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  way that we see it and view it, should be a dialogue with your
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  athletes and not a dictatorship. Those dictatorships tend to only
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  get, you know, I guess, listened to and followed through with
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  because of fear, not because of a joy and love for the sport.
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  And you can get excellent effort and great results with a joy
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  element and kind of removing a lot of that fear element.
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  I promise you. You know, the more that I work
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  with high school athletes, Nico, I'm sure you can attest they've
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  got enough pressure from their parents, from schools, from
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  trying to make, you know, teams. And especially when it comes to
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  track, everything comes down to you.
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  It's about your time, how far you jumped, you know, how fast
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  you ran. And you're either going to go to
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  state or you're not, right? And that's pressure in a
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  completely different way. But as a coach, we're
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  responsible for a few things. And this is where I'm going to
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  pass off to Nico and kind of share a little bit about kind of
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  three big things that we see make great coaches, And that is
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  the ability to not only self reflect, self analyze, but be
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  able to receive feedback. And one of the things that I
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  learned from Nico in our friendship and kind of growing
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  working relationship is that he has three questions that he
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  feels are super important to asking yourself as you self
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  reflect as a coach. If you want to share those,
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  Nico. Yeah, absolutely.
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  So the idea behind these questions is really about the
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  your philosophy or why, you know, why you do this as a as a
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  coach, why do we sit here and, you know, rack our brains on
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  programming and whatnot to work with athletes to better them?
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  And within that requires a really high level of
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  introspection. So there are three questions
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  that I usually ask myself. And these usually come into a
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  daily basis because each day the athlete that you work with is
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  different than they were they before and they'll be different
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  than they are, you know, and then they will be in a day.
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  The, the simple, these are simple questions that you can
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  ask yourself on a daily basis. The first one is, am I coaching
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  the athlete in front of me or the outcome I desire?
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  Simply put, that is, am I working with the individual that
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  came to me today? It's the idea that an athlete
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  could have a bad day. They could and physically,
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  mentally, emotionally, whatever it may be, they might be sore
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  from a workout. They just might have had, you
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  know, a huge test and they're coming down off of this really
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  stressful time and you're asking them to do something that might
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  be too much for them that day. So that question needs to be
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  asked. And it's understandably
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  difficult because you have a lot of people to manage.
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  But this is one of the things that you have to think through
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  as you start to become more introspective.
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  The next one would be, does the behavior that I am displaying as
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  a coach reflect the values I claim to hold?
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  That's another challenging thing because we, as you know, in a
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  sport that is so heavily focused on the outcome of an athlete, we
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  focus, we could end up focusing just on that and our
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  expressions, on our emotions can be tied to, oh, this person did
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  something of value to me, to the team, but that might not be the
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  thing that I'm trying to preach to them.
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  The next and final one is how are my athletes experiencing my
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  coaching right now? That one I think is the most
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  challenging to really understand an athlete and ask them to
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  reflect on what you are saying or how they're perceiving what
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  you're saying. The statement that we hear a lot
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  now is, is intent versus impact. It's the impact of what I'm
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  saying to an athlete. The intention is, of course,
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  it's not I'll intent. If you're if you're saying
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  things that are ill intent for the coach, I think you're in the
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  wrong profession. But we all have to know the
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  impact of things that are having and physical impact as well.
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  I coach mainly females and I'm a six, two male, relatively big
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  stature that when I say certain things, they need to be said in
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  a certain way because I am viewed as an intimidating
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  individual. So we need to take ownership of
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  that. We need to know those things.
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  Those three questions are things that you should be asking
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  yourself on a yearly basis. Exactly.
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  You know, those three questions kind of bring up this emphasis
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  on understanding the values that you say, right?
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  What you say, do you act it right?
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  Do you walk the walk of what you say?
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  And making sure that you are checking yourself, You know,
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  doing a personal audit, which is really those 3 questions, also
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  requires that you're taking a global view of your team.
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  Sometimes it's really helpful as a coach to step back and see
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  your whole team as a person. And one of the things we talk
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  about in the book is being able that as you're doing your
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  programming, I promise you, you know, little, little lead here,
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  there isn't a single workout inside the book at all.
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  It's about the approach of how to look at this and we take a
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  global view. Is it worthwhile to give your
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  kids a really hard workout after, you know, that Monday
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  after prom? Yeah, probably not.
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  It's probably not going to be a value add.
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  But it's making sure that you're taking a global look at this.
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  And part of those values of ownership is also understanding
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  that you shouldn't expect people to perform if you yourself, in
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  that situation would not be able to perform as well.
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  And it's making sure that you are taking a little bit of
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  yourself in this. And when we think about
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  philosophies, I'll give you guys three of them.
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  And these are three core elements in the book and a big
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  part of our workshops. And these are the philosophical
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  elements, right? There are three.
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  There's your coaching philosophy, you know,
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  physically, how do you coach day-to-day with athletes?
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  How do you interact? What are your values?
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  What are your boundaries? And making sure one, there's a
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  keyword there values that if you don't know what those are, it's
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  a big part of what our workshops do.
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  The second part here is your actual personal philosophy that
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  comes down to, you know, who are you, right?
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  Maybe there is a big part of your faith that goes into your
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  coaching and maybe you are someone that's very accessible.
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  Maybe you are not accessible. Everybody is going to have their
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  own piece of that that's in there.
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  And then there's the training philosophy, the actual physical
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  parts of like, hey, we're more of a mileage based program where
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  we're a speed based program, Whatever there is there, you
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  know, those are the three core elements that we help coach as a
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  data. And when you think about those
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  pieces of being able to self review, self analyze and receive
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  feedback, it has an undertone and kind of this big spider web
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  of do you know who you are? And knowing who you are impacts
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  that culture. Because when we go all the way
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  back to what we said we're here to do at the end of the day is
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  create a culture that's going to leave the track, that's going to
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  have an impact. Your values are something that
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  you give right as a gift really at the end of the day to your
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  athletes as a coach. And so making sure that as you
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  take this approach and new kids every year is that you have to
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  kind of reinvite these kids to learn about who you are and
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  share that with them. And I what I wanted to do here
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  was kind of share a short story with you guys about an athlete
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  that I have. And you know, this is one that
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  Nico and I have had a chance to kind of share a lot about.
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  And and again, this is a situation that I think many of
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  you coaches can, you know, empathize with and understand.
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  I'm a distance coach, Nico, you work a little more sprints and
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  mid distance. But you know, when it comes down
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  to it, we all work with athletes that are going through that
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  certain stage of life, that wonderful, big fun P word of
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  puberty. And so this is kind of sharing a
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  little bit story of a young athlete that I have and kind of
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  how we worked through that and how culture came into play.
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  So I wanted to tell you guys a little bit about one of my
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  athletes. She came to be at the tail end
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  of of freshman year. Again, I'm a club coach.
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  And she was kind of this quiet force that I had been watching
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  on the track all year, talented, focused, super raw, just didn't
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  really know what she was getting into was her first year of
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  racing. And you know, she was committed
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  to doing the work all summer long.
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  And you know, by the time sophomore season hit, I'm
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  excited. I felt like she was on fire.
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  She went from like finishing, you know, mid pack her freshman
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  year to leading races, school records.
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  And like by the end of the year, you know, she was standing on
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  the podium at the state meet, which was like unbelievable to
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  me watching who she was as a freshman.
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  It's completely electric. Like coaches noticed.
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  It was one of those things like, wow, you've really done a great
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  job, coach. And I'm over here like, I mean,
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  I gave her the same thing. I've been, you know, trying to
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  help other athletes build for years.
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  It wasn't something special. It was her, right?
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  We start to hear some information, you know, hey, you
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  know, so and so colleges are starting to kind of look out and
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  reach out. And like she was getting
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  mentioned. She was in the rankings.
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  She's on mile split, you know, all of that that comes with it.
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  And that's where things started to unravel, right?
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  It kind of feels like when you're at your highest, you're
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  going to fall. You know, Icarus gets a little
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  too close to the sun, but it didn't really happen all at
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  once, right? At first, it was a race that
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  didn't quite go to plan. And then another, and then
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  workouts. It started to feel harder than
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  they should. Things started to kind of fall
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  apart. She couldn't hit the splits and
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  like, she kept trying to go into races hitting those old splits
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  and it just wasn't there. And every race was just a
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  cascade. And I can see her tightening and
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  trying to chase these times. And now athletes are starting to
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  move around and she's no longer that fast girl on the team.
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  And she comes to me and says, coach, what is wrong with me?
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  And I could see that her confidence was just completely
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  slipping away. And once that confidence
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  slipped, Joy went with it. And by the end of October, like,
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  we weren't dealing with really a performance problem anymore.
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  We were dealing with an identity crisis.
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  And she didn't know who she was without running.
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  And one of the things that as club came back in, you know,
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  support my kids as much as I can while they're with their high
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  schools. But when they come back to me,
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  it's kind of like I have to put all the pieces back together.
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  And one of the things that, you know, having a background in
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  engineering that I feel like I'm really good at is putting pieces
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  back together and helping people zoom out and understand things.
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  And so part of our culture at our team is understanding that
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  you play an individual role, but you also play a much larger role
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  within your team. That there are going to be days
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  where you're going to lead workouts.
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  There's going to be days where your job is to just follow in
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  and let others lead and push others to lead.
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  And this was a time where she had to kind of take that back
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  seat. And let me tell you, it was not
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  easy as an athlete who, you know, really had put herself
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  image around being the fast one and putting her in second place,
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  third place. And just saying, I just need you
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  to do what I'm asking of you. I don't need you to impress me
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  today and I don't need you to worry about what this split
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  means as compared to where you have been and not having a rear
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  view mirror as much as looking straightforward.
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  And so when we think about culture and we think about
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  application and a book that we're trying to write, the
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  workshops that we're trying to do, how do we tie how the
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  culture that we create impacts those athletes at an individual
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  level? And one of the things that Nico
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  and I have found in working together and building this out
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  is that if I create a culture that only rewards an athlete
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  being fast, I'm not taking a global perspective and
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  realizing, especially with young female athletes, they may have
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  this huge success, an area where they are not succeeding as much.
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  Their identity is fractured, and then they can return to that
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  same success that they had and move beyond it.
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  But if the culture is not there, we will see athletes leave the
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  sport and we'll see them leave in droves.
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  And that is what we see happening.
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  And as part of our emphasis for writing the book, in trying to
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  help other coaches understand not only who they are, but also
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  helping them understand the impact that they can have and
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  how those three things, your coaching philosophy, training
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  philosophy and personal philosophy come into creating
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  great adults and great humans. And I'll bring you guys back to
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  the title of what we said we are here to do.
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  We are here to create a culture that leaves the track that's
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  both team and on an individual basis.
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  And I want to let you guys kind of close in on this story.
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  I'm sure some of you maybe are on pins and needles about, hey,
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  So what happened? And slowly things started to
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  come back. You know, she started enjoying
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  the sport again and realizing she didn't have to be the fast
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  one to be someone that was loved on her team and realized that
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  she had a community. She had doing so much of this
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  alone and realized that she could show up and have a bad day
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  on our team. And that was OK, right?
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  But it was making sure that she was present to like I'm having a
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  bad day and realized that her team mates were there to pick
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  her up. She started running for herself
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  again. She was back, right?
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  And that was a beautiful thing. More self aware, tougher.
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  And one of the words that Nico and I have come back to again
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  and again in this is kind of that idea of creating an
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  unshakable athlete. They can only be unshakeable if
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  their foundation is strong. Their foundation is their
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  community, which has a great culture.
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  And so I wanted to share that little story with you guys.
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  You know, this application piece kind of goes back into if you
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  know your philosophy, give it to them.
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  And so Nico, I wanted you to have a chance to kind of share a
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  little bit again any thoughts and reflections about that
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  story. I know I've told it to you
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  hundreds of times. You lived it.
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  Live with me. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. I think the thing that we keep
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  having to focus on is that all of this built built is built on
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  that foundation. Just like you said, the reason
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  you were able to bring that athlete back is because of the
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  culture that you've established within that culture.
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  It's a reflection of who you are as an individual.
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  Your why and what we have to to think about as coaches on a
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  daily basis is what is your why. The the why is the thing that
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  anchors you to your philosophy, to personal coaching, training,
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  there's all integration into that.
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  Why. Why are you doing this?
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  And that why is the filter that you run decisions through.
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  It's where you keep and understand what's maybe the
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  easier decision, but what is the right decision, You know, having
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  that filter and understanding that.
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  And you've built that culture based off of your philosophies,
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  based off of your why. And when you're focusing on
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  building connections with these athletes, you can have leeway
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  and focus not just on the performance, but focus on what
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  is the athletes need in this moment.
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  Just going back to what we talked about those questions,
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  who am I coaching right now? It might be the same person by
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  name, but it's definitely not the same person in spirit in
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  their mind or whatever it may be.
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  So that that's what I love about that story and we keep talking
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  about it is because you go and you've built the culture and
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  you've stuck to the values that you hold true.
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  And that athlete, then you're just riding the roller coaster
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  with her, holding your hand through the process.
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  And if you can do that as a coach and create athletes, that
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  can do that for everyone else. Now you're creating a a thing
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  that transcends you as a person or your team.
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  You're allowing them to move on with those those tools.
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  And I think this whole idea goes beyond just you and I, right?
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  We are. I am one coach, but I have an
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  entire team, as do you. And the understanding that like
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  the workshops that we do, the book that we're writing, it's
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  that we're trying to make sure that our culture isn't just our
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  one hour to two hours on the field with athletes.
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  It also comes back to our team inside and making sure that they
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  are also representing the values of the organization as a whole.
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  But the only way that we can do that is because we've self
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  analyzed, self reflected. And here's the key element is
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  asked for feedback. And what's really important in
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  the message that I want to make sure that all of the people that
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  are listening to this understand is that you can't just expect
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  people to be brave enough to come up to you and tell you
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  where you made a mistake or failed.
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  That takes an amazingly brave person as an adult, let alone as
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  a 15 or 16 year old kid. And So what I want to encourage
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  all of you guys to do this is a core part of what we teach and
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  what we are trying to ingrain as part of our book is that you
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  must create opportunities for people to speak up.
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  And yes, sometimes it's going to feel like you are putting
• 21:43
  yourself in the hot seat and going to get roasted as a coach.
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  But if those opportunities are not created, then you are
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  leaving a huge chasm by which to fall into as a coach.
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  Because without creating those opportunities, everybody's going
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  to assume that you think you know everything and that
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  perfection just really is hard to align with.
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  Especially for kids that want to speak up.
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  They want a voice. This generation is a key part of
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  this book that we're writing. How do you coach this generation
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  create opportunities from the speak up?
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  Because they want to take an active role because they are
• 22:20
  more engaged with the sport as a whole than they ever have.
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  They can see every split and placing on mile split.
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  They're seeing and getting 10 different messages on Instagram.
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  So how are you as a coach going to stand out and let your
• 22:33
  messaging stick and be important?
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  Because I'll tell you, this is something that I tell every
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  athlete. Confidence is a function of how
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  much you trust your training. Your confidence outbound to a
• 22:45
  coach and getting the appeal of a teenager comes back to how
• 22:48
  well do you know yourself. And so that's my question back
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  to you guys, is that do you feel like you guys all know your
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  coaching philosophy, your training philosophy and your
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  personal philosophy? And do you feel like you message
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  that out to your athletes in a way that is healthy, productive,
• 23:04
  and future facing? That's what we're here to do and
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  kind of what we're trying to create.
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  And hopefully you guys can walk away from this conversation
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  having learned some things. At the end of the day, I'll
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  repeat myself one last time. If you know your philosophy,
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  give it to them. This is a beautiful gift that
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  you can give to people and hopefully you guys feel like you
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  guys can create a culture that lives beyond you.
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  We can all think of the bronze statues.
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  I would love to be a bronze statue when I'm like, you know,
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  dead 10 years later. I hope there's a bronze.
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  That's the kind of culture and impact I want to have on my
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  community and my athletes. I know you're the same way,
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  Nico. So like, that's what we're here
• 23:43
  to do and here to create. And so I want to encourage you
• 23:46
  guys that if you align with this, if this, you know, podcast
• 23:50
  spoke to you, like please reach out to, to Nico or I, you know,
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  we're up for doing small speaking engagements.
• 23:57
  If you're interested in any of our workshops, please feel free
• 23:59
  to reach out to us. Nico.
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  I'll, I'll go last year, but I'll let you speak, share a
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  little bit of how people can find you and interact with you.
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  You guys can find me on Instagram at
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  ignite_performanceorjustemailmedirectlynkaravolos@gmail.com and care of all of us at Gmail
• 24:23
  There you go. I'll make sure that that gets
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  into the show notes for Gil as well as myself.
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  You can find me. And this is one that I'm
• 24:31
  relentlessly, you know, kind of poked at by my athletes.
• 24:35
  It's coach under score Simmons under score runs on Instagram so
• 24:40
  you can find me there. Peak Performance Running is our
• 24:44
  youth program. We have a number of camps coming
• 24:47
  out this summer. So if you have athletes that are
• 24:50
  looking for a great high altitude camp, I'll use this
• 24:53
  platform to share a little bit about that.
• 24:55
  It's a super fun. We do 21 week sessions in
• 24:57
  Keystone, Co. The lowest they'll go is 9200
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  feet. It's an amazing time.
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  And then otherwise, if you want to e-mail me, my best e-mail is
• 25:06
  andrew@peekperformrun.com. And I think that's all we've got
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  from today. Nico, anything you wanted to
• 25:13
  share before we close out? No, I'm just really excited to
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  work with any of the coaches that are interested in this.
• 25:20
  Yeah, we'd love to hear your feedback.
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  So I hope we get a few emails, that'd be that'd be pretty
• 25:24
  exciting. Yep, absolutely.
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  Awesome. Thanks Nico all.
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  Right. Thank you.
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  Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here. Hey, I hope you enjoyed this
• 25:32
  episode of the Guild 1918 Project series.
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  It's really my mission, my passion to bring you massive
• 25:39
  amounts of value and I hope this one hit the mark.
• 25:42
  The Guild 1918 Project is really dependent on you if for you to
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  build your own episode, to hear your voice, to have your voice
• 25:50
  heard you have something to say and teach other coaches out
• 25:54
  there. So please get a hold of me,
• 25:56
  e-mail, text message, Twitter, smoke signals, get a hold of me
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  and let's help create your episode of the Guild 1918
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  Project. Hope you enjoy today and we'll
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  see you tomorrow.