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The future of America with Jeffrey A. Tucker · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Really, if we've learned anything from these past couple of years, my fellow Americans answer that.
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  Personal medical freedom and liberty are in prices.
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  America Rot Pulse brings together the top experts in health care related fields to keep you up beaten ahead.
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  Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker on the America Out Loud Pulse program on the America Out Loud Radio Network, Liberty and Justice for All.
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  Today I am delighted to spend some time today with a very good friend of mine, uh, someone I regard as a mentor as well.
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  Uh Jeffrey A.
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  Tucker, the president of Brownstone Institute, and a noted economist and a personal friend of mine.
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  He was instrumental in giving me a platform on Brownstone Journal over the past three or four years to get my writing and work on medical freedom out to the public in a much greater audience.
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  And also he was the editor of my book, The Medical Masquerade, which is published by Brownstone Institute.
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  So someone I know well and uh regard as a friend and mentor, and I'm delighted to have on the program.
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  So welcome uh Jeffrey.
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  It's good to be here.
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  Thank you so much, Clayton.
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  By the way, I think I'm gonna see you in a week or something like that.
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  Um, or maybe it's 10 days at the uh independent medical alliance conference in Dallas.
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  Yes, the Independent Medical Alliance, the former FLCC has their big conference in just a week or so in Dallas, Texas.
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  And if uh anyone, anyone listening here is in that area or can make it, uh it's a fantastic event.
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  We saw each other there last year.
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  They're doing tremendous work on medical freedom.
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  I'm fortunate enough to be a senior fellow there.
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  And um Jeffrey gave me the significant honor of being a senior scholar with Brownstone as well.
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  So uh those uh a lot of the material from that conference will be available for people to watch online if you can't make the event.
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  So please check that out as well.
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  Thanks for reminding me, Jeffrey.
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  Yeah, they gave me a top speaking slot, which is just like the the keynote lecture at the at the Saturday night dinner, which is just uh hilarious.
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  Um because it's not really my area, but uh I I thought I would talk about the the economics of of the um health insurance market and the American medical marketplace as an industry uh because uh it's 18% of GDP, and it's the most cock maybe screwed up crazy malarkey system probably on the planet Earth.
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  Uh and and uh people outside the US don't normally don't really understand this.
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  Um they think we just have free enterprise or whatever.
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  Um and and the the thing I've discovered is that people in the US don't understand it either.
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  It's because it's so screwed up.
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  Uh even experts can only end up and to me, this is extremely revealing.
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  Uh people talk about their own experiences with the healthcare uh system, because it's not generalizable.
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  I mean, what what the industry has done is managed to create a kind of uh uh a curated uh hall of mirrors for every single individual.
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  Uh uh just a crazy maze of of nonstop confusion for everybody that is more expensive than your typical mortgage.
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  Um it's it's gonna be interesting to to see how I managed to uh to weave this into a semi-coherent talk.
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  Uh and and also propose some reforms that I think sensible reforms that we should implement uh today, but we'll never get through because um it's it's it's the lobbyists that that run Washington, unfortunately.
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  Yes, we saw that so much with I mean, just now with the whole situation a little bit different than health insurance, but with the the flu shot with this mRNA flu shot catastrophe that uh I guess it was Black Stone.
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  I I we are I'm used to blaming Black Rock for everything, but Black Stone is not to be outdone.
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  I think they put what 750 million dollars into the Moderna flu shot.
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  And which is funny because people always say, oh, vaccines are not a profitable uh part of of uh the medical marketplace.
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  Oh, really?
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  That's a that's a big uh investment from uh from a private equity company.
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  It sure is.
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  Uh a company that wouldn't have existed at all but for the zero interest rate policies uh from 2008 onwards, which which ballooned uh private equity companies uh to such an extent.
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  And then when the interest rate um uh shifted, now yeah, they themselves are levered up.
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  So they've got to service their loan, their their debts.
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  So they're pressing all these all these companies that they took over and all these investments that they that they uh embarked upon over the last uh 10 years.
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  Uh they're having to press all these enterprises and all their investments for even greater revenue to service their own loans.
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  So the whole thing is to get on the verge of just tipping over.
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  Uh there's so many redemption requests right now from all the main uh private equity companies that um uh that they've had to throttle throttle them.
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  So I don't know.
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  I feel like we're coming to some sort of an end point with this model of finance.
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  I think you're right.
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  And I think uh I think that you know the the you talked about what was the phrase you used, you should uh save that for your speech.
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  What did you say?
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  A uh uh some House of Mirrors, a what a personal House of Mirrors for every uh for every every uh participant in the system.
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  And uh it's uh you know, when I heard uh a month or two, three ago when you know Aaron and uh Aaron Day and some other people were talking about the private credit uh and other financial catastrophes that were impending.
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  You know, I did not think, even though um you and I, well, me certainly, but I think you perhaps to some extent uh amongst the Brownstone uh crowd spend uh uh much more time talking about vaccines than say Aaron Day does.
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  And yet uh it all kind of It all could plays together.
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  It all plays back uh into this one giant uh bowl of spaghetti of of corruption that we're dealing with.
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  Oh, yep.
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  And and uh um there was a time when I think I thought of Congress as something of a debating society.
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  Uh uh that, you know, once they saw uh clearly the answers that were good for the American people, um, they would vote for them and and bring it about.
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  I don't know why I ever believed that.
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  But but now I realize it's it's just a big uh it's just a big, I don't know what you call it, like like a blackmail operation, you know, who's paying who.
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  And that's the whole game of Washington is to make sure you line up all your interests.
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  Um make sure everybody's blackmailable, you know, and uh and uh that's where the campaign finance system works.
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  So I, you know, I don't know, I don't know what the uh the answer here uh is, really, except uh uh yeah, uh except public resistance.
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  I mean it's the only possible way.
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  And then I I think I do think that that has made a difference for us.
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  I mean, we've got a population that's deeply resistant to all forms of centralized control and and and distrustful of all the commanding heights in society.
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  And it's got Washington pretty well uh terrified.
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  I'm pretty sure that's why uh you know Trump um he made a yet another catastrophic error in uh in March.
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  You know, that seems to be his a bad month for him.
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  Uh it's been true since uh the since the times of Julius Caesar.
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  Uh March is not a good time.
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  And uh took debate this time uh in 2026, same way he took the bait in 2022.
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  And and and this time uh he caught on a lot faster and decided to act really decisively and tried to end U.S.
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  involvement, whether he's successful or not is another matter.
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  Part of the problem is that he's lost a lot of credibility, you know.
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  Yes, yes.
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  And you know, and his his tweet announcing the great new piece in the Middle East said um we're going to have a golden age of the Middle East just like we have in America.
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  Okay.
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  Well, that's that's not the language I would have chosen because you know, he's been talking about a golden age in America now for uh since his inauguration, but uh prices are higher than ever.
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  Inflation's roaring back.
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  Uh the job market is frozen, health care costs are are soaring.
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  Um a whole generation uh you know cannot uh even think about getting homes.
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  Um most available jobs in line are fake uh because.
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  Companies trying to fake out uh investors and and begging for takeover bids from private equity.
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  So, you know, we this is not a golden age.
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  Uh we've got a long way to go.
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  Um labor market participation is falling again as more and more people have have dropped out of of the markets and and we had never recovered from the lockdowns.
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  In fact, generally, speaking from the macroeconomic standpoint, I'm I'm convinced we ever really entered back on the path of of genuine recovery.
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  We certainly haven't made up the gain, the losses from the lockdowns of 2020.
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  Yeah, I think that we're still we have never truly recovered when you look at the drop in buying power in the dollar, which is just absolutely catastrophically lower now than it was six years ago.
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  Um that in itself is uh is is more than a marker enough for the average American when they see that uh you know go out for um uh a meal that used to be 40 bucks and it's 60 dollars now, or now of course the most obvious thing is is the gasoline prices.
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  So we're just looking right down the line to a situation where uh we don't see economic recovery really in any i i guess the economic cover was the partial bounce back from the absolute nadir that we suffered, say in 2020 to 2021.
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  But that's not really a recovery, that just kind of a bounce off the floor.
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  And uh I don't think we've ever really gotten back.
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  The other thing that's really interesting, and I've been very interested to ask you about this.
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  You know, in light of the war, what I've seen is I've been keeping a very close eye on some of the most basic market indicators.
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  And what I've seen is that these things have just been kind of frozen in place in ways that seem extremely artificial given the circumstances.
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  You know, the obviously the price of oil has been bouncing around a bit.
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  Um, but you know, I look at, for example, the main American stock market um markers like the Dow or the SP 500, they kind of drop from the Pam Bondi high of 50,000 on the Dow there to maybe 44 or 45, which is significant, you know, 44 is an 8% drop, but then it's climbed back up to 46 and it's just kind of sat there.
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  And one day we think there's going to be thermonuclear war, and one day we think there's going to be peace, and it bounces around to half a percentage point.
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  And to me, the whole thing seems very artificial.
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  Of course, when we had that uh metals spike a couple of months ago where where silver was up to 122 or something and gold was well over $5,000, that was obviously squelched by um manipulate market manipulation, and those prices have been down.
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  So what do you make of the fact that you know, even though um oil prices have have risen some, now I guess they're back down now that we're supposedly in a in some kind of a uh temporary truce with Iran.
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  How does how do those marketers stay so static, or at least my impression is they've been very static throughout this very, very alarming time.
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  What would be your take on that?
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  Um well, uh see, since 2019, we've experienced about 38 uh percent um uh loss of purchasing power of of the dollar, which is a devast devastating thing.
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  So uh you just have to kind of adjust all prices for that number, and that includes financials and probably uh precious metals.
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  I mean, the type of typical thing that you would expect from precious metals is for them not so much to make money but to preserve value uh and and uh in the presence of uh depressed um uh uh purchasing power of the dollar.
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  So um uh that said, I I do think that the federal government and the treasury, US Treasury, is seriously involved in the futures markets of of these of uh gold and silver.
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  Because when silver prices started shooting up, and it wasn't long ago, but they I don't know, how long how long ago it was it that silver was like $35 or something.
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  So that you know uh I mean less than 18 months ago.
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  Yeah, it's unbelievable uh what's happened to silver.
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  So um and now you've got a you've got the problem that silver is so high that um something that I don't I don't like when silver goes up so high is that uh is that people start pillaging old old family heirloom sets of sterling silver um and and melting them you know into bars for uh you know and add a profit.
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  That always makes me sad because it means because I love Sterling, it takes it off all the markets, and I assume that that's uh some of that is going on right now.
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  But I still I still think that you know, uh all told uh this kind of hard metals are probably your best bet at this point.
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  Um I I'm very concerned that we're entering into a second wave of inflation.
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  I mean, partially because um uh M2, which is the money supply aggregate has hit new highs.
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  Um despite Powell's having you know claimed that he's not going to acquiesce and and Trump's demand for loose money and quantitative easing.
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  He kind of already has.
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  So um, and it's it's it worries me, especially with enterprise energy prices and and gas prices are gonna uh just recently just hit, I think this morning, $4.18 cents.
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  And this is a huge increase in such a short, you know, just a tiny period of time.
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  Yes.
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  Um it's just it's been unbelievable.
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  And and the U.S.
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  has it better than many places in the world uh where gas prices just soared.
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  Um my concern is that it's just going to kick off a sort of second wave that could be worse than the first wave.
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  And the reason I I've been worried about this is that this exact same thing happened in the 1970s.
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  We had three distinct waves of inflation, and after each one, umetary authorities and everybody thought it was over.
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  And so now they can relax and and now we can use uh money pumping to dig ourselves out of recessionary times and fuel a new boom to uh fool the American people.
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  And then in every single time it just got worse.
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  Each wave was worse.
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  And until it until the late 1970s and and 1980, when the inflation was so bad that it just pretty much wiped out what was left of American capital and gutted um household uh uh income health.
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  So that you know, it before 1985, it was less typical than not.
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  Uh it was more typical than not that a single household would have one income stream.
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  After 1985, it was more typical than not that there would be two.
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  So uh so women had to go to work, uh, even with young children, so that sent them out for a scramble for for child care, which worked for a while until that sector got highly regulated and became unaffordable.
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  And um so that changed fundamentally American culture.
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  I mean, do you think we're headed for yeah, that I think you're right.
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  I have to go to break, but when we come back, I want to talk to you about where we stand.
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  I know it's very uncertain times, but where we stand right now with the war, yeah, and and and where what you think might be this sort of reset.
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  I hate that word in memory of Klaus Schwab, but but we may be facing along the lines of what we saw in the 70s, uh, because things are not going back, I don't think, to the way they were before this misadventure attacking Iran.
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  We'll be back in a moment with my good friend economist and Brownstone Institute president Jeffrey A.
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  Tucker on the America Outloud Pulse program and the America Outloud Radio Network, Liberty and Justice for All.
• 18:44
  That's cool.
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  How'd you get this gig?
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  Oh, you you turned off your mic.
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  I know uh it was essentially Peter McCullough.
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  There was a spot that opened up.
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  Mary Bowden had this slot and she went off on her own.
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  And so Peter recommended me to this guy Malcolm who runs this network.
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  So I kind of got a gig and I'm doing the best I can with it.
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  So uh I'll get started and we'll lead right into that.
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  And I'll I might take one minute to just kind of give my summary for what it's worth about what's going on today.
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  And I'm gonna ask you what you think.
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  If you I'm gonna ask you to be the swami and uh predict some potential future uh happenings based on it.
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  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the America Out Loud Pulse program on the America Outloud Radio Network.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker, MD.
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  And again, I am delighted to have my good friend Brownstone Institute president and founder, Jeffrey Tucker here today.
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  And in the first segment, we spoke a lot about economics, both the economics of past decades in the United States and how they have played out in some of the similarities to what we are facing now.
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  And one interesting point that we're at right now is we record this.
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  We are on uh April, what is it, the 8th, and we are at the stage where there is supposedly a 14-day ceasefire between the United States and Iran, the 15-point plan of the United States, or I should rather say the 15-point plan of two Zionist um real estate developers from New York City was rejected by Iran and Iran's 10-point plan uh, which is a very, I think kind of fascinating document, um, has been at least in theory uh stated even by President Trump is a potential starting point for negotiations.
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  Unfortunately, within hours of this supposed ceasefire, uh reportedly brokered by Pakistan, uh, we now have violence um credited to Israel striking targets in Lebanon and disagreement between Washington and Tehran as to whether Lebanon is part of the subject matter for the ceasefire.
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  So we are in very similarly uncertain times.
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  We have a purported ceasefire, but we have many different ways in which that can be completely up-ended.
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  And of course, with the Straits of Hormuz being controlled by Iran, and with all of the concomitant reduction in precious commodities being able to get out to the rest of the world, we're facing a tremendous number of hardships throughout the world, which we're seeing here in the United States, largely in the form of spiked gas prices, but in many other parts of the world, um, they're feeling it much more profoundly already.
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  And when we talk about other products that we don't always think about when we think about natural gas, but we don't think about nitrogen fertilizer, we don't think about helium, which is absolutely central to um semiconductors and high technology, and we don't think about sulfuric acid, which is absolutely central, supposedly to um rare earth metal production.
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  We have just an absolute cascade of potential negative impacts, which are really have already started, but have could worsen, obviously, dramatically if if this um the straits remain closed, and B, if the infrastructure, the Gulf states is destroyed.
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  So with that in mind, Jeffrey, I'm gonna ask for your input or your thoughts as to where could this go, maybe in a best case scenario or in a worst case scenario, and if you have thoughts on it, where do you think it's likely to head right now?
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  That's an easy question.
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  I'm I'm giving you a software.
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  Yeah, it's it's well, it's uh a lot.
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  And I I think it's helpful to look back on on exactly how this came to be.
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  The New York Times has some very credible uh reports on this.
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  Um I'm not sure who within the White House is talking to them, but but they uh it's very very detailed on exactly how this whole thing came about.
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  So um the first step was, of course, the uh decapitation of Madero and Venezuela.
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  So that was the event that uh gave Trump the confidence that he had some sort of weird minus touch and foreign policy that that he was head of this this grand superpower that could just get its way wherever it wanted.
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  So for a while we had the Don Roe Doctrine, you know, which is the you know that somehow he was gonna have to approve every head of state and um uh the whole hemisphere, uh, which is kind of crazy.
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  But uh the Venezuela operation came off without a hitch and it was quite popular with the base.
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  So Trump was kind of flushed with uh happiness about that whole thing.
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  And uh so then uh the Israeli Prime Prime Minister came with an entourage to the White House uh repeatedly and presented a plan for for Iran.
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  And that plan was uh that they would do a similar decapitation uh that would uh demoralize uh the regime, and then uh dissidents would would rise up and um the the uh uh the uh Shia Shia mulas would would uh you know stick up their hands, surrender, um, and then uh the uh government in exile would take the place and there'd be democratic elections and peace forever.
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  So that was that was the idea.
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  And uh Trump listened and started asking his cabinet wing, what do you think?
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  And Susie Wells said, look, there's just too many risks here.
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  You know, I mean, if it doesn't go well, that we've got our oil price problem, got midterms coming up.
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  That's all I care about.
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  And you know, this and your base is gonna feel betrayed by by this kind of intervention.
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  Uh Vance said, Look, uh I think this is a terrible idea.
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  I don't know why you would even entertain it, but if you if you do it, um, I'll support it.
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  Uh Hegeth, uh typical with Heg Seth, you know, just uh, Mr.
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  President, you're master of the universe, you can do whatever you want.
• 28:54
  Yeah.
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  Um, uh by the way, uh Whitkoff is a special envoy and Krishna were both there.
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  Kushner Krishner uh is the guy who ultimately uh talked Trump into the coronavirus lockdowns and and wrote and wrote the protocols uh demanding business closures and and essential workers and all that kind of stuff.
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  I mean, we know this happened.
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  So Krishna was and also uh responsible for the death of countless thousands of people uh through through his ventilators, right?
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  So this is Krishna.
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  Um so he was there, and so who else was there?
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  Um I can't imagine Lutnik was not deeply involved, but uh perhaps they left him out of the description.
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  Yeah, it wasn't a big room, it was just a small number of people.
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  Um, and then and then Trump said, you know, uh I think I'll give it a try.
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  And that was it.
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  And so they waited a few days.
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  Trump gave
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  The Green Light on the 28th, and they started raining down bombs on uh on Iran without any provocation uh at all.
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  And this is after he already said he had gutted the nuclear program with his last strikes.
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  So and and then Trump watched um over three days, and on the third day or so, he realized oh, the plan didn't work.
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  It didn't, it didn't happen.
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  Um there's no uprising.
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  Uh one Ayatollah was replaced with another.
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  The regime seemed stronger than ever.
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  And now the Strait of Hormuz is closed.
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  And which is like the the prediction that everybody told him is that you know, everybody, you know, the he had people in his ear telling him this was a risk.
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  Um and so then he he started turning against me because so that's when he started claiming that he won the war, right?
• 30:56
  I won the war.
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  Now we've got a little mop-up operation.
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  Well, this went on for fully 30 days, and uh and he couldn't stand it anymore.
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  And so finally uh basically acquiesced to uh Iran's you know peace conditions, because and also nobody had anticipated this drone warfare uh thing, which is just something unbelievable, that these cheap drones, uh uh far cheaper than anti-drone technology, uh were in effect became the preferred military weapon of Iran.
• 31:30
  So Trump remembering how the COVID lockdowns destroyed his first term completely, uh, desperately wanted to get out of this thing, and so acted like a madman, um threatening you know the end of civilization and all this stuff, holding the entire world, you know, hostage to the possibility of a nuclear exchange, and then at the last minute, you know, said, okay, Iran, uh, we're gonna stop, and uh, and this is a great negotiation and uh and now it's over.
• 32:07
  But there were a few missing pieces.
• 32:09
  Uh the the number one missing piece was was the whole reason why uh Israel wanted this thing to happen in the first place, and that has to do with its uh apparently radical expansionary uh uh ambitions which are designed to shore up uh Benjamin Netanyahu's political prospects, and in a country where he's uh uh he's just not popular except among uh one segment of the population.
• 32:39
  So he uses war to his advantage.
• 32:42
  So they use the uh the Iran conflict to start bombing uh Beirut and Lebanon.
• 32:49
  And apparently apparently it wasn't worked out exactly.
• 32:52
  Uh like Iran had fully expected that Trump was going to try to reign in Israel.
• 32:58
  Uh Trump wants nothing to do with reigning in Israel uh or touching that issue at all because it's like a political catastrophe for him uh uh for on many, many levels because he owes so many favors, and um he just doesn't want to have anything to do with it.
• 33:19
  So that was left unsolved.
• 33:22
  And as a result, uh Israel started intensely bombing Beirut and Iran closed the strait again.
• 33:29
  So now Trump is in this this very accurate position.
• 33:33
  He got he got trolled again.
• 33:36
  Uh he made a catastrophic error uh with this intervention, he's deeply suddenly deeply unpopular.
• 33:42
  His opinion polls have collapsed.
• 33:45
  Uh all of his achievements in the first year seem to have been undone.
• 33:50
  And uh he doesn't know how to reverse it now.
• 33:54
  So, you know, now he faces a problem.
• 33:56
  Like he's he's got to somehow uh uh turn on this on the you know, this the great ally, and the only way he can really control uh Israel, uh could which he can't, he can't control Israel's territorial ambitions, um, would be to threaten to cut off aid, you know, which is sort of like the third rail of American politics.
• 34:18
  I mean, this is like um, you know, not what Trump wanted, uh, whether he's gonna do that or not is uh going to be up to him.
• 34:27
  But he's definitely confronted the limits of his power in 2026 the same way he did in 2020.
• 34:35
  Do you think that now whether Trump is the person who can or would do this is another question because he is so enmeshed in the whole Zionist lobby in the United States to an extent that's really remarkable, even for well, Washington, DC, but my personal for what that's worth, my personal finger on the pulse of the United States is that a tremendous amount at the American electorate is sick sore and tired of being led around by the nose by the Zionist lobby in Israel.
• 35:24
  And it seems like perhaps the last person that would take the temperature in the room is unfortunately our president, uh, because it seems to me that if you're a US Congress person that wants to get re-elected in what's going to be an extremely fractious midterm, you're gonna have to be very careful about how you know how you manage this question.
• 35:53
  You know, I don't think Ed Galreen is going to beat Thomas Massey.
• 35:58
  I don't care how much money uh he's given to him unless unless they flip the uh unless they cheat on the elections, and I don't think uh Pali market disagrees.
• 36:08
  It seems to me that public opinion, particularly amongst younger people, is so different than it was five years ago or what have you, with regards to the amount of influence that Israel has over the United States that what may have been a political loser or may have been something someone wouldn't even address um five or 10 years ago is now the only way that you keep your seat.
• 36:36
  And I don't know if Trump recognizes this.
• 36:39
  I don't know if my gut feeling on this is way off, but there's been in my mind a sea change in in attitudes on this.
• 36:50
  Half of it may be from Gaza and half of it now from Iran.
• 36:55
  But it seems to me that there's a very different viewpoint uh amongst the average American than there was a few years ago.
• 37:04
  I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
• 37:06
  Netanyahu has managed to squander uh the greatest well of affection America's ever had for any country uh and in its entire history.
• 37:15
  I suppose you could go back to the American revolution and say that America, a lot of Americans like France because France uh uh supported uh supported the US over Britain, so America's America, Americans loved France for a little while there.
• 37:29
  But uh Israel's always been with Americans have long had uh affection for the state of Israel after his founding, uh thought of them as our you know cousins and uh uh you know uh friends and allies in the region, that sort of thing, uh, an outpost of civilization and technology and development and prosperity and uh uh and a sort of a sea of unfamiliarity as far as Americans are concerned.
• 37:59
  And Netanyahu has somehow managed to squander that.
• 38:02
  I mean, it's just and he did it on behalf of his own um personal political uh status, which uh you have to know something about Israeli politics, but I don't think Americans do.
• 38:15
  It is far from being a politically homogeneous uh society.
• 38:19
  In fact, um uh Israel is a lot like the US, a huge diversity of political opinion.
• 38:24
  You're gonna hear far more diversity of political opinion and open speech in Israel about um about its uh as treatment of his neighbors than and and its status, you know, as a secular nation, a religious nation, um, its attitudes towards the uh orthodox, uh towards the West Bank and Gaza.
• 38:47
  Uh within Israel, then you'll hear within the US towards Israel.
• 38:52
  So Americans now are are being uh are more and more think of it as a homogeneous unit that's just uh yanking uh the US around.
• 39:05
  And that's not a good place to be in.
• 39:07
  But that's that's where Netanyahu has has driven uh this country um uh uh solely to shore up his political prospects.
• 39:19
  He's been in grave trouble uh for years um and faces a extremely uncertain future.
• 39:26
  So war sort of constantly keeping war going is is to his benefit because it plays into the whole uh morality tale that he's he's woven for himself.
• 39:38
  So he's been he's been a disaster for Israel, and you're right about the pin impulses.
• 39:43
  I mean, they've they've dramatically shifted uh in the US from a time I remember um during the 1980s when there was absolutely no question, like every every American had was completely happy with U.S.
• 40:00
  Israeli uh relationships.
• 40:02
  Um and that that certainly has changed.
• 40:04
  And and Netanyahu has done this.
• 40:08
  Um, and it's not been to uh to Israel's benefit.
• 40:11
  I mean, it's in fact it's been very much uh to its uh a losses uh politically and otherwise.
• 40:18
  It's a catastrophic era.
• 40:20
  And so probably uh and by the way, Netanyahu's uh uh prospects uh uh were already weak when when COVID hit, but when is Israel turned itself into sort of the home base of of Pfizer for the planet and started vaccinating this popular force vaccinating this population uh to such an extreme extent it's actually rather difficult if you didn't want to be jabbed in Israel to get away with it.
• 40:52
  And then the first reports we had of uh that the shot wasn't working and was actually injurious, were coming out of Israel itself.
• 41:01
  So that was a disaster.
• 41:03
  That whole experience was a disaster for Israel.
• 41:06
  Yeah.
• 41:06
  Well, as we come back in the final segment, let's let's touch on that a little bit more.
• 41:10
  We'll bring it through to the end and we'll talk about going forward, uh, what what we see as some possibilities.
• 41:17
  And uh I'm curious to know also, Jeffrey.
• 41:20
  Well, we'll save it for the next little last segment.
• 41:24
  But you know, I I'm become increasingly convinced that very few national governments in this world have any serious regard for the well-being of their citizens.
• 41:38
  And I think we're seeing this over and over again, and we can talk a little bit about that and maybe what happens coming out of this war and the awareness that's coming out of it, how that might be forced to change, hopefully.
• 41:49
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• 41:50
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• 43:32
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• 43:34
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• 43:34
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• 43:35
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• 43:41
  In this final segment, I'm joined again by my friend and editor and the president and founder of Brownstone Institute, the uh one and only Jeffrey Tucker.
• 43:53
  In the last segment, we were talking about to some extent the desperation of some of these uh leaders that have gotten us into this war of choice in the Middle East against Iran.
• 44:10
  And one thing that stands out in my mind, Jeffrey, is the distinction that I see.
• 44:17
  And I'm careful to note that every side in a war is going to propagandize, and every side in a war is going to try and promote themselves in the best possible light.
• 44:29
  But as I think you touched on in the end of the last segment, there is a growing sense of real desperation that I see in the behavior not only of President Trump, who I believe, again, was kind of hornswoggled into this uh mess and is now trapped uh to a very large extent.
• 44:56
  And in a different way, the situation of Netanyahu in Israel, who faces uh tremendously uncertain future himself and his approach is to apparently to kind of bomb his way out of it if he can.
• 45:12
  And I see that as a counter distinction to the approach of the Iranians, and again, not to romanticize them, but having studied an awful lot of what their command structure was, the way that they have planned to essentially fight this war that they knew was coming sooner or later.
• 45:35
  You know, I've been following people like Glenn Deason and Alistair Crook and Mark Walk and uh Scott Ritter and Colonel McGregor and people like that, Judge Knapp.
• 45:46
  And what I hear again and again is that ever since the United States went into Iraq back in 2003, the Iranians said they're coming for us sooner or later.
• 46:01
  We have to prepare.
• 46:03
  We have to figure out how we are going to resist what's going to come.
• 46:08
  And it came 23 years later.
• 46:11
  But sure enough, it came.
• 46:13
  And number one, they have a tremendously, from what I've read, what it seems to have been the case, a tremendously decentralized system of operations, both militarily and politically, that allowed them to absorb essentially the decapitation attempts that were done, um, and the attrition that the war of attrition that the United States and Israel have attempted to impose upon them.
• 46:48
  And it's not only their leadership, it's not only their command structure, it's the way they've spread out their electricals grid.
• 46:58
  It's the way they have buried their technology, both in terms of putting it deep under the ground so it can't be destroyed, and the way that they've concealed just the exact nature of the technology that they have.
• 47:11
  They seem to have been systematic and um thought through and planned and deliberate in a way that frankly we've talked about, you talked about the New York Times report about the Trump's decision to get into this war, and it's really seems like a clown car versus a very, very deliberate group of people that are operating in an existential situation.
• 47:39
  And when I see that, I say to myself, what does that mean for well, set aside Israel, but for a country like the United States, where we have basically arguably been just military adventurers for the last at least the last half century?
• 47:58
  And you know, in the in the words of Malcolm X, the chickens are coming home to roost.
• 48:04
  And obviously, that's going to likely to be a painful situation for Americans far beyond just the gas pump.
• 48:11
  But is there an opportunity for us to say find a way to resist this sort of um gigantic behemoth, which is Washington, D.C., which is the federal government that really doesn't seem to have any regard whatsoever for the well-being of the average American citizen.
• 48:32
  Are there opportunities that were there that we can kind of look to?
• 48:36
  There's a very significant fact that we've just learned over the last 30 days, and I think it's going to change everything the whole future of the American, what was once the American Empire.
• 48:50
  And the salient reality is that uh that ever since the end of World War II, war and and the sort of patriotic um mobilization of the population has always been a reliable method by which unpopular presidents can dependably uh pull themselves out of the doldrums and and and unify the country and rally people to their side.
• 49:16
  That's always been true.
• 49:18
  Uh I never liked it, but that's the way it always has been.
• 49:22
  Um until now.
• 49:25
  This military operation Iran was never uh approved by more than like 26, 28 percent of the American people.
• 49:35
  There's never been a war since World War II that's been uh less popular uh at its inception than this one.
• 49:42
  So that was not supposed to happen.
• 49:46
  Uh Trump thought he had all this mago approval and banked on the idea that America war unites the country.
• 49:55
  Not this time.
• 49:57
  Um it was it it's been a political catastrophe for.
• 50:00
  Him.
• 50:00
  So that that's very important that that happened because it it disincentivizes any future president from this kind of thing.
• 50:10
  If the taste for uh for peace is you know outpaces uh paces the the lust for blood uh by uh three to one, um that is uh uh extremely important point for the future of uh the American Empire.
• 50:29
  So I think that's very encouraging.
• 50:30
  I'll tell you something else that that's very exciting to me about this, Dr.
• 50:34
  Baker.
• 50:36
  Um in the months leading up to this, uh the bombing of Iran we had a plot that was hatched by uh uh reps of the pharmaceutical industry within the White House, uh, who were concerned that the Republicans were in trouble in the midterms, and they had a scheme that they would use the sort of political problems and drive RFK from his position at HHS and get rid of everybody associated with RFK and uh the and so-called vaccine skepticism and the attack on pharmaceutical it was definitely a plot we know is a plot because Brownstone published a memo from the uh leading leading uh the leading uh organizations of pharma lobbyists that laid it out exactly what they were gonna do.
• 51:31
  So we knew it was taking place.
• 51:33
  They were citing conductive fake opinion polls.
• 51:36
  Uh, we know who all the players were.
• 51:38
  Uh they were they're I'm gonna give a shout out for Bill Cassidy, who's up for uh his uh down in Louisiana.
• 51:45
  He was deeply involved in that, if I recall.
• 51:47
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 51:48
  Senator Bill Cassidy.
• 51:50
  Yeah, Senator Bill Cassidy, who uh holds the entire the CDC hostage, you know, every day.
• 51:55
  Nobody elected him to do that.
• 51:57
  Um, but you know, there are other you know, agents of control within the White House that were extremely influential, these people.
• 52:04
  But there was never any evidence uh that RFK is unpopular.
• 52:10
  In fact, it's quite the reverse.
• 52:12
  He's loved by the base and the so-called Maha agenda.
• 52:15
  I don't like the term, but the Maha list of uh of things, which is you know, to get the pharma, big pharma, big food out of our lives so we can live normally healthy lives, um, was extremely popular with the base.
• 52:28
  And and somehow they were trying to convince Trump of the opposite.
• 52:32
  Well, that was going along swimmingly until this war happened, and then you only need to look at the polls.
• 52:39
  It was a catastrophic decision for Trump to do this.
• 52:42
  And he took a dive.
• 52:44
  Um, he's underwater, something like 16 all the way to 19 points as a direct consequence of this war.
• 52:52
  So it turns out that Trump's problem is not RFK, but uh but you know, the the military industrial uh complex um and all the money and and that world that can convinced him uh with lies uh that all he had to do was kill the a religious leader and then everything would fall into his lap.
• 53:15
  Uh that turns out not to be true.
• 53:17
  Um, and so now they so here's the thing fascinating thing, Dr.
• 53:22
  Baker.
• 53:22
  Now you've got the administration looking to RFK as uh a point of success for the Trump administration, the Maha people as a possible uh life raft in a sinking ship.
• 53:38
  So fortunes have entirely changed.
• 53:42
  So the the plotters within the White House that have been spending all the time demonizing RFK are now humiliated that we see who the real problem is for the for the for the Republicans, and it's not RFK and the Maha agenda.
• 53:58
  So that dramatically changes the political constellation on behalf of the cause of of freedom uh itself.
• 54:07
  So in a in a funny circuitous way, I would say that the people who are very concerned about medical, scientific, and health freedom are in a better position now after uh the end of the last 30 disastrous 30 days than we were before.
• 54:25
  That's a fascinating uh insight.
• 54:28
  I think uh what I would want to do with that, and obviously I'm you and I are up to our necks in the whole medical freedom movement, and so obviously that's tremendous good news for both of us.
• 54:40
  But I would say what other areas may we be able to make gains with as well.
• 54:46
  Now, for example, Trump just came out, I don't know if it was today or yesterday saying we need 1.5 trillion dollars for for uh for defense.
• 54:58
  And uh uh someone's pointing out, I can't remember who it was as watching, who said uh that that's twice as much as the next 10 countries spend.
• 55:09
  It's it's utter insanity.
• 55:11
  And and and and then they pointed out again uh that this was not this is not gonna go towards our soldiers.
• 55:20
  This is not gonna go towards veterans.
• 55:22
  This is not gonna go even towards tanks and stuff.
• 55:25
  It's gonna go toward the big five.
• 55:28
  It's gonna go to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and a few others that that just make an absolute uh insane fortune off of building munitions.
• 55:39
  And why do we even quote unquote need these things?
• 55:43
  Because we are two reasons to my mind.
• 55:46
  Number one, we use this antiquated system where we have a 200 million dollar fighter jet that supposedly is invisible but sends out a heat signal that's enough for uh for a uh a man can uh uh you know, uh uh a human uh held uh heat-seeking missile to take it down.
• 56:04
  We have these uh aircraft carriers that are sabotaged by their own crew by stuffing their t shirts into the toilets and setting fire to the kitchen.
• 56:12
  You know, we have we're fighting talk about f I talk about fighting the last war a lot of the time, and and we're not even fighting the last war.
• 56:19
  We're fighting about four wars ago.
• 56:21
  I want to thank you so much, Jeffrey, for uh joining us, ladies and gentlemen.
• 56:25
  Uh the one and only Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone Institute.
• 56:28
  This is Dr.
• 56:29
  Clayton J.
• 56:30
  Baker MD on the America Out Loud Cults Program on the America Out Loud Radio Network.
• 56:37
  Good night for now.