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SHOCK DISCOVERY: MISSING BABY MIYA, 8 MONTHS, FOUND WRAPPED IN PLASTIC IN KENTUCKY HOME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A shock discovery missing baby Maya just eight months old.
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  Speaker 2: Her remains found wrapped in plastic? How did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: And also why did months go by without her being
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  Speaker 2: reported missing? A? Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Kentucky State Police are desperately seeking information on eight month
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  Speaker 3: old Maya Rudd of Reynold Station. A concerned family member
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  Speaker 3: reports last seeing Maya in late April. Troopers performing a
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  Speaker 3: welfare check are unable to locate the infant and are
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  Speaker 3: now turning to the public for help. Maya Rudd has
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  Speaker 3: brown hair and green eyes. Anyone with information is asked
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  Speaker 3: to call State Police at two seven zero two nine
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  Speaker 3: eight three two three five.
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  Speaker 2: Light brown hair and green eyes. What could Maya have become?
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  Speaker 2: What would she be?
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  Speaker 1: What she grew up?
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  Speaker 2: This beautiful, tiny infant baby that could be so much
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  Speaker 2: is now just a statistic. Now all I've got is
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  Speaker 2: her description, brown hair, green eyes, just a few months old.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, There's gonna be hell
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  Speaker 2: to pay again. I Nancy Grace and this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: How does a baby go.
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  Speaker 1: So long without being reported missing?
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  Speaker 2: Reminds me of another baby that goes missing and is
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  Speaker 2: not reported gone.
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  Speaker 1: Does the name Kelly Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: Ring a bell? If not, maybe the name top mom
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  Speaker 2: Casey Anthony will listen, Oh my daughter finally, A babysom say,
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  Speaker 2: I need to find her.
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  Speaker 1: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where.
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  Speaker 4: You took her months ago, that my daughter's been looking for.
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  Speaker 1: I told you my daughter was missing four months.
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  Speaker 5: I just found her.
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  Speaker 3: Convey that I can't find my granddaughter.
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  Speaker 5: She just admitted to me she's been trying to find herself.
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  Speaker 4: There's something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I found my daughter's carts.
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  Speaker 6: To day and it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. What is the three year old's name?
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  Speaker 7: Kaylee?
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  Speaker 8: C A y l e E.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony joining me in All Star panel? It makes sense
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  Speaker 1: of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 2: Very often, out to Mitch Carter, or investigated reporter of
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  Speaker 2: w f i E fourteen News Indiana, Mitch, people have
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  Speaker 2: always often asked me, why did you focus on missing
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  Speaker 2: Kelly out of all the stories.
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  Speaker 1: And I can tell you how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody said, well, there's a missing little girl two or
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  Speaker 2: three years old out of Florida. I'm like, okay, how
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  Speaker 2: long has she been missing? And they said thirty days.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, why am I just hearing about it
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  Speaker 2: right now? And some body on the phone said, well,
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  Speaker 2: she's just been reported missing. Am I stop? We're doing
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  Speaker 2: that right there? Why was she not reported missing? And
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  Speaker 2: that's what I want to hear. I want to hear
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  Speaker 2: everything about this little baby just eight months. So let's
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  Speaker 2: just take it from the top, Miss Carter joining me,
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter WFIE fourteen News. Mitch, start at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: when a welfare check was done by l E Law enforcement.
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  Speaker 6: Go well, yeah, Nancy, you know, to understand this case overall,
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  Speaker 6: you've got to go back here. You know, we know
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  Speaker 6: KSP tells us that, you know, back in April is
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  Speaker 6: the last time the family members tell them they actually
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  Speaker 6: caught sight of baby Maya, prompting them to a welfare
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  Speaker 6: check in June. Here now on June fifth, authority se.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on, you're telling me something I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Mitch, hold on to some moment, so family members,
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  Speaker 2: somebody calls for a security check on Maya.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Maya? Thank Heaven, or we would not have found Maya.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody gets suspicious and when LA law enforcement go to
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  Speaker 2: the family they say they haven't seen her since April.
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  Speaker 1: Did I get that right?
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  Speaker 6: So, like I was talking about there, you know, family
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  Speaker 6: reaches out to law enforcement and says they haven't seen
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  Speaker 6: baby Maya since April, prompting this welfare check.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, the child, the baby, an infant just
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  Speaker 2: eight months old, had not been seen since April. I
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  Speaker 2: mean to Robin Drink joining me in addition to Mitch
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  Speaker 2: Carter WFIE fourteen, Robin behavioral expert for FBI Special agent.
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  Speaker 2: Now listen to this part chief of the FBI Counterintelligence
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  Speaker 2: Behavioral Analysis Program and author of Sizing People Up, a
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  Speaker 2: veteran FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction, Robin Drake. That's
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  Speaker 2: pretty impressive. But enough about you and onto my Robin.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you I know the precise moment when
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  Speaker 2: my twins left this morning to go to their job.
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  Speaker 2: They have a job this summer. I know the moment
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  Speaker 2: because I hadn't have my phone in my hand, and
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  Speaker 2: I glanced down to see if they were going to
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  Speaker 2: be late. They were not, of course, but I glanced
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  Speaker 2: because I'd been hurrying them all morning. I remember that,
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  Speaker 2: and I can look and see when I got texts
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  Speaker 2: from them during the day. So how does somebody not
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  Speaker 2: notice their child has been me sing for eight months?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you described what we all do in our lives,
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  Speaker 4: and that is we establish a great baseline of what
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  Speaker 4: normal is in each of our lives. I'm the same
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  Speaker 4: way with my kids. I can tell you know, I
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  Speaker 4: have two adult kids. I can tell immediately if something's
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  Speaker 4: going awry by a change in communication. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: happened here. There was a change in communication and change
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  Speaker 4: in contact with the child, and yet no one was
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  Speaker 4: noticed in this baseline. And that's what we really need
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  Speaker 4: to do. We need as family and friends to notice
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  Speaker 4: these subtle changes and sometimes drastic changes and actually do
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  Speaker 4: something about it faster so we can prevent things like this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can't help but just wonder to doctor Jeff Kalshewsky,
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  Speaker 2: renowned forensics psychologist, author of Darksides at Darksides dot Podia
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Jeff, I can't help but project a
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  Speaker 2: nefarious nature to this. Or is it true that some
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  Speaker 2: parents it's you know, they hand the baby off to
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  Speaker 2: an aunt or a cousin and.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of just leave it there.
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  Speaker 2: And so I naturally attach something to farious to not
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  Speaker 2: mentioning your child hasn't been seen. But I guess there
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  Speaker 2: could be an innocent explanation. Not in my world, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe in their world. I mean, the baby is a
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  Speaker 2: tiny little baby, and I don't understand how you can
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  Speaker 2: just hand it off to someone and.
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  Speaker 1: Not check on it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 8: This really opens the door to a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 8: You know, most reasonable people obviously know where their children are,
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  Speaker 8: and if their children are missing, they try to find
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  Speaker 8: out why they call law enforcement. I have had several
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  Speaker 8: cases where, similar to this, it's not reported, And the
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  Speaker 8: first thing you think about is, you know, is there
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  Speaker 8: some mal intent in not reporting? Even if something bad
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  Speaker 8: happened to the baby, people at least would take the
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  Speaker 8: baby to the hospital well to find out what happened.
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  Speaker 8: But this situation just really opens up the door to
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  Speaker 8: a lot of other questions about what's really going on
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  Speaker 8: in this home.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, to Robin Drake joining US behavioral expert former
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  Speaker 2: FBI special Agent, Robin, I have to accept and I
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  Speaker 2: learned this when prosecuting. I mean, I grew up in
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  Speaker 2: a very rural, almost idyllic childhood where we were very loved,
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  Speaker 2: so other lifestyles were foreign to me. But when you're
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  Speaker 2: investigating and prosecuting. You have to accept that other people
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  Speaker 2: have different lifestyles and frankly, that's none of my business
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  Speaker 2: and I don't care what anybody does unless there's crime
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  Speaker 2: scene tape around it, then it becomes my business. So
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  Speaker 2: we have to accept the While we may not pack
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  Speaker 2: our children off to an infant at just eight months old,
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  Speaker 2: pack the maybe off to go live with someone else
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  Speaker 2: or stay somewhere else, other people do that and in
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  Speaker 2: their world they think it's okay. It's very hard for
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  Speaker 2: me to relate to that.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you described even you know what this little
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  Speaker 4: child will have missed out on in a very idealic, beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: healthy relationships with growing up. But like you said, everyone
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  Speaker 4: has a different pattern of normal in their lives and
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  Speaker 4: that's for every family to.
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  Speaker 2: Decide what that is.
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  Speaker 4: But it's still a pattern. And when we have a
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  Speaker 4: deviation from that pattern, if we don't have the contacts
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  Speaker 4: with whoever it is, whether it's the aunts and uncles
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  Speaker 4: watching them or even just friends and family to watch them,
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  Speaker 4: that will establish a pattern. I used to see my
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  Speaker 4: grandmother every weekend growing up. That was different than other
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  Speaker 4: families around me, But that was a pattern until it changes,
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  Speaker 4: and so a change should prompt these questions from people
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  Speaker 4: that are close enough to say, hey, what has changed,
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  Speaker 4: what's going on? And most importantly, is it a healthy
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  Speaker 4: change or is it a not healthy change? And what
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  Speaker 4: are we going to do about it? Very important? What
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  Speaker 4: question requires specific action?
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, in addition to Mitch Carter,
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  Speaker 2: Robin Drike, and doctor Jeff Kalashewski now joining me, renowned prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: former deputy state's attorney, former assistant states attorney specializing in
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  Speaker 2: child abuse and homicide, Fran Longwill Fran. We're discussing, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for joining us, friend, We're discussing how in my
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  Speaker 2: world for me not to see my infant child for
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  Speaker 2: even a day is unheard of.
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  Speaker 1: That would not happen period.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to accept as a prosecutor, as an
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  Speaker 2: investigator that other people have different lifestyles and while that
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  Speaker 2: may not be okay with us, for them, it may
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  Speaker 2: be normal for the baby to be gone from the home.
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  Speaker 7: That's true. I've had many cases where I was kind
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  Speaker 7: of shocked at how the people handled their children, Like
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  Speaker 7: what just one time I said something about the child?
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  Speaker 7: How did the child get out of their crib to
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  Speaker 7: get in a case. And then I found out they
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  Speaker 7: didn't sleep in a crib. They slept on the floor
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  Speaker 7: on a mattress. And people just do live different ways.
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  Speaker 2: So the baby slept on the floor. Okay, I would
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  Speaker 2: find that odd too. And I remember a friend longwell,
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  Speaker 2: I was investigating, and stop me if you've heard this
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  Speaker 2: recount of a story. But I was prosecuting a triple
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  Speaker 2: homicide and trying to find witnesses desperately and was knocking
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  Speaker 2: on doors.
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  Speaker 1: And I went into a woman's time.
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  Speaker 2: She had to be about nineteen or twenty, and she
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  Speaker 2: had anywhere from eleven to fifteen infant.
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  Speaker 1: Babies lying on the floor, all swaddled tightly so.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't really move. There was like a soap opera
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  Speaker 2: or something going on on a TV, and they were
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  Speaker 2: all incredibly quiet, which also struck me as odd. And
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  Speaker 2: I when I got out of there, I felt like
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  Speaker 2: I just broke out of hell. But that was the
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  Speaker 2: way she lived, and the parents, I assume, knew that's
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  Speaker 2: how the babies were being taken care of. And like
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  Speaker 2: you said, I've seen families where children are not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to have any sugar, no cookie, no candy, no muffing, nothing,
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  Speaker 2: and they get in trouble if they have a Snickers
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  Speaker 2: bar or cookies at somebody's house.
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  Speaker 1: Then I've seen families. I just covered a case the.
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  Speaker 2: Other day friend, where a little girl, just absolutely precious,
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  Speaker 2: was fed nothing but baby bottles of mountain dew until
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  Speaker 2: she developed diabetes and died. The mom stood by while
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  Speaker 2: all of her teeth rotted out and the baby died.
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  Speaker 2: The child died, I think she was four years old
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  Speaker 2: at the time. Nothing but bottles of mountain dew. But
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  Speaker 2: in this case fran longwell, not just an alternative lifestyle,
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  Speaker 2: but the baby is missing and nobody reports it.
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  Speaker 1: How can you not look at that in a nefarious light.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's very strange. And when a child is
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  Speaker 7: the grandparents or someone should have known that child is missing.
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  Speaker 7: Just like you said in the other case with the
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  Speaker 7: little girl that was dead, it's impossible to think that
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  Speaker 7: no one paid any attention to this poor little baby,
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  Speaker 7: a brand new baby, and didn't report her missing. And
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  Speaker 7: maybe the parents said she was around her she was
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  Speaker 7: with a babysitter who knows.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The search for infant Maaya ends with her body being
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  Speaker 2: discovered in a Kentucky home, wrapped in plastic. Before we
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  Speaker 2: revisit the fact that she went for weeks without being
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  Speaker 2: reported missing. Back to Mitch Carter, investigative reporter WFIE fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: Mitch described to me the condition in which she was found.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, talking with Kentucky State Police. She was found
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  Speaker 6: on Friday at one fifteen pm. They found her inside
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  Speaker 6: wrapped in plastic, in a blanket underneath some debris.
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  Speaker 2: Inside of that help hold on in just a moment. Inside, okay,
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  Speaker 2: inside a home wrapped in plastic and then wrapped in
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  Speaker 2: a blanket under debris inside a family home. Was she
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  Speaker 2: wrapped in plasket plastic then a blanket or a blanket
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  Speaker 2: and then plastic?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's I think she's in a blankets, like
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  Speaker 6: inside the plastic with her, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 9: We were told wrapped in and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, would you say that one more time because I
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  Speaker 2: still don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Was she in so she's like in a blanket then
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  Speaker 4: wrapped in plastic?
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  Speaker 2: Got it?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Again?
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  Speaker 2: That's reminding me so much of the way that Kelly
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  Speaker 2: Anthony's body was found. She was in a black plastic
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  Speaker 2: trash bag and her favorite blanket was in there with her,
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  Speaker 2: which tells me a lot about who killed her, someone
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  Speaker 2: that would pick out her blanket and bury it with her.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch, thank you for that straight out.
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  Speaker 2: Now to doctor Michelle Dupree, joining US recognized forensic pathologist
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  Speaker 2: who shot to fame during the Alexan Murdog double murder trial,
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  Speaker 2: medical examiner, former detective, author of Money, Mischief and Murder
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  Speaker 2: the Murdog Saga the rest of the story, but for
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  Speaker 2: my purposes. She is also the author of Homicide Investigation
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  Speaker 2: Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide.
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  Speaker 1: She literally wrote the book.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Dupree, You and I have investigated and covered a
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  Speaker 2: lot of homicide cases, and to me, it's very significant
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  Speaker 2: that the scene was staged.
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  Speaker 1: It may Bee Maya's death.
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  Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? Anytime you move a body,
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  Speaker 2: touch a body, change a scene in any way, you
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  Speaker 2: have staged a scene. You may make the murder or
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  Speaker 2: the homicide look like a suicide. You may place a
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  Speaker 2: gun in the victim's hand. You may cover up the
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  Speaker 2: victim with a blanket. I've seen a case where a
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  Speaker 2: mother was shot dead and the killer put a wicker
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  Speaker 2: trash can over her head.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen bodies covered in leaves.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen faces covered just all sorts of staging, and
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  Speaker 2: this is staged. The baby is wrapped, as you heard
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Carter state, in a baby blanket and then in
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  Speaker 2: plastic and then hidden under debris. That tells me the
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  Speaker 2: killer knows the baby. Intimately, I want to hear what
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  Speaker 2: you have to say.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, Nancy, this is what we often call forensic countermeasures,
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  Speaker 9: meaning that it is an attempt to cover up basically
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  Speaker 9: the crime.
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  Speaker 2: So they knew that this had happened, they knew that it.
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  Speaker 9: Was wrong, and they're trying to cover it up by
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  Speaker 9: wrapping the baby, probably in a favorite blanket, and then
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  Speaker 9: putting it in a plastic bag.
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  Speaker 2: This is unfathomable.
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  Speaker 9: And to believe that someone did not recognize that this baby,
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  Speaker 9: this infant who cannot walk cooktok, had not been seen
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  Speaker 9: for so many days and did not report it sooner,
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  Speaker 9: I can't imagine that.
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  Speaker 2: It's unfathomable, Doctor Dupree, I don't know how you would
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  Speaker 2: since the baby wasn't reported missing for so long, This
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  Speaker 2: beautiful baby Maya.
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  Speaker 1: With her light brown hair and her green eyes and her.
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  Speaker 2: World before her, because she wasn't reported missing for so long,
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  Speaker 2: how can we tell when she was killed?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, we're going to look at several things. We're
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  Speaker 9: going to look at any of the scene markers. That
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  Speaker 9: means things that are around the scene where she's found,
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  Speaker 9: see if there's anything that will give us a clue
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  Speaker 9: to that time frame. We're also, of course going to
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  Speaker 9: take a good look at the body itself. The body
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  Speaker 9: can tell us so much about what happened and when
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  Speaker 9: it happened, and of course the rate of the decomposition
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  Speaker 9: of that body.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious, could you explain to everyone in your mind,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Michelle Dupree, what is a quote scene marker? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for me, it would be if somebody was found and
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  Speaker 2: inside the trash bag, something indicative or probative of the day,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know, a newspaper, a magazine, a doctor's appointment, schedule,
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  Speaker 2: a prescription to something that would give me a date.
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  Speaker 2: But there's so many varied scene markers. What do you mean,
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  Speaker 2: give me an example of a scene marker.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, everything that you said would be a scene marker.
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  Speaker 9: It is something that is going to give us a
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  Speaker 9: time of death or an approximate time of death. Mayo
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  Speaker 9: that hasn't been opened this postmark the newspaper, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 9: anything like that that can possibly set the time that
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  Speaker 9: is with the body where it is found either beside it,
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  Speaker 9: in the bag or underneath it. Something that is going
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  Speaker 9: to help us not down that time frame.
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  Speaker 2: So, doctor Michelle duprey, other than extrinsic evidence to give
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  Speaker 2: me a time of death or a date of death.
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  Speaker 2: Other than extrinsic evidence, such as, as you were saying,
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  Speaker 2: a scene marker, how can you the medical examiner look
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  Speaker 2: at this baby girl, infant girl's body and determine how
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  Speaker 2: long she's been dead, especially since she is seemingly hermatically
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  Speaker 2: sealed in a blanket and plastic. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's just a plastic bag or she's wrapped in plastic tate.
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  Speaker 2: Remember JJ and Tylely called Mom Laurie Valo's children. Remember
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  Speaker 2: that Tilely was basically dirt down. Her body was rendered
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  Speaker 2: down like an animal at a slaughter house. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: but a bucket of flesh left of Tiley, sweet gorgeous
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: young girl. JJ, however, was more along the lines of
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: being hermetically sealed, wrapped like a mummy in tape and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: carefully hidden away the treatment of the two children vastly different.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So again, how do you look at anybody and I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: don't know how she was sealed in the plastic and
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: determined date of death.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what we do, Nancy, is we look
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: at the environment.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: How warm was it, you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: Know, what is the moisture content, how was the baby wrap?
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: Was it hermetically sealed or was it just simply put
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: into a plastic bag. We look at that decomposition. We
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: look at how that body decomposed, whether it is becoming
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: mummified or that means leathery, or is it doing something
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: else and decomposing in a different way. We also look
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: at the internal aspect of the body when we do
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: the autopsy and we look at the organs, we look
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: to see how they are decomposing or not and the
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: speed of that. And there have been many studies done,
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: especially you've probably heard of the body farm, and that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: where we get a lot of our data from. So
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: we're able to basically give good estimates. As you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: time of death is only an estimate, and so that
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: way we can narrow it down at least to a
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: certain timeframe.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Joining us now on location is truper Corey King of
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the Kentucky State Police Special guests joining us. Truper Corey King,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I sometimes wonder how
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you keep going when you see cases like this. When
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I would prosecute and investigate child murders, some babies as
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: young as baby Maya, I couldn't sleep for early weeks
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: after prosecuting a case like that. Tell me about your
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: involvement in the search for Baby Maya.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: And this is a case that we haven't seen in
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: quite some time, and frankly, I'm not so sure I
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: have seen a case like this involving this young of
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: a child. She's a baby, And I think, really this
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: case is surrounds and highlights what drugs can do to
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: our families. And we have said it a thousand times
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: over that that heroin kills the user, methamfetamine kills everyone else,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and it bears repetition. That's the case with this particular
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: family was the drug trade that came first, the addiction,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: and then unfortunately everything else was last. And what shocked
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: us more than anything probably at the very beginning. You see,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: this started out as a drug invested investigation. We didn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: know there was a baby involved, And it wasn't until
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: this investigation started to get closer and closer to the
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: family did we realize that someone said, Hey, you do
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: know there's a six month old in this house, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: we were unaware of that, at least us in the
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: state Police. So then we had the questions, where's baby Maya?
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: And we could locate her. So when we closed in
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: on the family and arrested them, located them with a
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: plethora amount of drugs that's fentanyls, that's methamphetamine. There was
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: no baby. So when we went to go press them
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: on where is baby Maya, they immediately wanted to seek counsel,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: which stopped all questioning and would not work with us
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: at all on her whereabouts.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Trooper Corey King, Yes, I know that any target, any suspect,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: has the right to have counsel with them. They have
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the complete right to the Fifth Amendment right to remain
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: silent as it should be under our constitution. Are big big, However,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: when you are looking for a missing baby just a
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: few months, so you'd.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Think that somewhere in that addled brain of theirs.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They would say, Okay, I may have drugs in my home,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: but where's my baby?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That's more important that never dawns on them, does it. No,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: And that was the biggest shocker to us was that
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: the entire family, it wasn't just mother and father, even
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the grandparents, was not actively or overly cooperative with us,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: and they certainly wasn't involved in the search for the
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: baby either. So all of this was very suspect in general.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: We certainly agree that yes, based on the constitutions, certainly
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: everyone has the right to seek counsel and stop questioning
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: at any time. But we're talking about a baby in
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: which we had several working theories our mind. One we thought, okay,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: someone's holding this child for the family because they knew
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: social services were coming to get this child. Secondly, they
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: sold the child, whether it be through human trafficking or
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: maybe for profit for drugs. And the third the most
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: grim was this baby was dead and we would never
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: find her. And that's where it was looking. The longer
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: this investigation we went, the more grim it looked, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: we actually thought we would never find this child. We
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: were very optimistic, but I think we were searching several
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: areas with cadaver dogs, thinking they disposed of this body
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: because he the father, was seen disposing of items in
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: nearby creeks and that's where we thought she was. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: we had active scenes with cadaver dogs, but it wasn't
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: until the second search of the property did we locate
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: this baby buried underneath mounds of debris and trash and filth,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: and sadly, that was that baby's reality for six months.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Trooper Corey King, Kentucky State Police, who
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was actively involved in the search for baby Maya. I've
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: got so many questions and the rest of the panel.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Remember we are not having high tea at Windsor Castle.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Jump in.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Here's the source between Trooper King and Minch Carter. We're
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: going to get our questions answered. Did you say I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: knew she was buried under debris inside of a home?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Could you describe that from me?
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: So those folks that have seen the scene, and many
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: of our local partners, media partners are out there filming.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of debris on the outside, a lot
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: of clutter, trashy, not too uncommon to see those who are.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Addicted to drugs.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: That comes that is priority. But the inside was equally
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: as cluttered, and it was the front room in which
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: we had been there one time before with a search,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: and there was so much drug residue, animal feces, so
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: it really shocked all of us. And in fact, once
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: we did find her in a bunch of underneath a
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: bunch of rubble, we all had to go outside the
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: house and collect ourselves. We were hopeful, we really were.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: We're hopeful someone's holding this baby, but unfortunately the reality
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: was we found her dead. And although we haven't made
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: a one hundred percent positive identification that comes through DNA,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: which we did get, we all know this is baby Maya.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: The trooper Corey King joining us Kentucky State Police. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: need people to understand because the first time I heard this,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: When you say you had to stop the search.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: We just investigated the case of a baby boy, an
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: infant who died in daycare. Why did he die because
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: he breathed in fentonyl particles of fentanyl that were in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the air, because the fentanyl itself was moved in his.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And I think put under a rug and the baby
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: breathed in some particles and die.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So if you had you go in you see drug
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: residue joke pieripheralia everywhere. If you had taken those dogs
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: in and they had gotten one whiff of let's just
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: say fentanyl, then die. So you have to back out.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: You can't go in, the canines can't go in. Everything
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is off. And that's a heck of a predicament. You're
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: looking for a potentially dead infant baby girl and you
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: can't search because the house is so inundated with drug
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: residue that you have to pull the dogs out.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: What can you tell me about that?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Clearly, findels are very transdermal and depending on the type
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: of fentnyls, which we weren't sure of. In fact, it's
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: become so dangerous for us we no longer test on site.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: We collect and then send off for the lab to
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: do the work for But you're right, breathing in is
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: ait airborne transdermally, it can absorb and we can overdose
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: and die ourselves. Not to mention, we have assistance through
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: the canines which are very sensitive through the pause of
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: the animal as well as or snout, So it can
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: be very dangerous in that regard, But we weren't as
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: ensure we knew pounds of methamphetamine and fentanyls were coming
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: to this location and that's what started the investigation off.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: But once we realized that baby was involved, it changed
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: the whole dynamic and the direction of this investigation. All
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: our hearts was looking It's all we wanted, but unfortunately,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: everybody we went to that is involved in this family
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: ended up getting arrested, either for drugs or warrants. And
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: one of our detectives said it best is I've never
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: seen I never had an investigation like this to where
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: we literally have taken down almost an entire family tree
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: in a week and a half. And that's not what
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: we're wanting to do. We were simply wanting this baby.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: I really think that a picture's worth a thousand words.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: If I could tell you, I'll describe this to you.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: In one of the child's room, I can only assume
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the baby's room there was there was a baby bottle,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: a pacifier, and narcan sitting next to each other. That
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: really said it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: All to me.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Kentucky State Police head to parents, Tesla Tucker and Cage
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Rudd's last known address in nearby Rentalds Station, hopeful they
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: will locate Maya Rudd. Their conditions inside the home are deplorable.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: The home is filthy, and troopers uncover more meth and
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: fentanil cage. Rudd's father, Ricky Smith, is believed to be
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: operating a drug trafficking scheme out of the home and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is arrested on several drugs and weapons charges. There is
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: zero indication that Maya Rudd is living in the Deanfield
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Church Road home.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So if she's not there, where is she.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: The bio dad, the bio mom, extended families, and others,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: including the grandparents, their drugs are more important to them
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: than baby Maya. Mitch Carter joining me WFE fourteen News Indiana. Mitch,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: where was defects in this scenario? Because it's my understanding
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: mentioned tell me if I'm wrong. Other siblings have been
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: taken removed from the home, But they leave the most
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: defenseless child there, just a few months old. They leave
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: her with the parents, and the baby is born with
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: meth in its system, but they go, oh, yeah, here,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: take her home.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll be great parents.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: What the hey, Mitch, Yeah, I mean that's kind of
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: been the big talking point throughout this entire case, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: for us, and for those following along with the media
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: and along with along with KSP, with Drooper King, you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: is wondering how did this happen? Because you know, any
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: any sane person you and I talking right now doesn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: make any sense to us, you know. And with that,
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: I spoke with Kory King about that specifically several times here,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: and he told me that Friday before they found him remains,
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: we talked, We had an interview before, We had a
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: couple hours before, and he told me that as far
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: as he knows, they test that a buildical coort and
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: tested positive for meth. However, it takes a couple of
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: weeks for those results to get back.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: In that time, they lose track, you know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Social Services does of Tesla Tucker and Cage Rudd and
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: this baby and henceforth. You know, months go by and
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: here we find ourselves.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Now, Okay, Mitch Carter, you are a very well known
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: in that area, investigating reporter with w FIA. I'm amazed
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: that you kept a straight face just then when you
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: said defacts lost them and that quote. Months went by.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Really they couldn't find the baby. They weren't making a
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: secret about where they were living. I know that's the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: information they told you. That's total bs. They've got a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: baby born with meth in its system. The parents are druggies,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and they give the baby over look. They need to
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: take the other two children away, but they leave the baby.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Mitch, really you believe that that they couldn't find the parents.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, at this point, you know, we've reached out
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: to social services to ask them kind of a slew
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: of questions. They're mainly talking about the you know, sort
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: of protocol they follow, if that makes sense to take
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: a family to take a child.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I just choked, Yeah, I choked when you said
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you're discussing following their protocol.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Mitch Minch Carter. They're lying. They're lying, and they're covering
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: their rear ends because.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They let the baby stay in the home and now
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the baby's dead.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: A wonderful exposa for you to work on.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Back to Trooper Corey King and Mitch please jump in,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: okay with any information or questions for the trooper. Trooper
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Corey King with us Kentucky State Police. Did you hear
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: what they told Mitch. He's just reporting what he's been told.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: That is total BS. Of course, I'm not saying Defects
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: kill the baby. I'm saying the family kill the baby
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and then hid the baby and plastic. But that said,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Defects knew this was a hell and they let the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: baby stay there.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's something that the state as a whole
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: will be looking into. They have made some legislative changes
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: within our state on accountability and who monitors what, particularly
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: in this case, what the social services can do and
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: not do. And I know they have a tough job,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: but I can just tell you that this will be
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: looked into because, just like Mitch had mentioned, there was
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: three other children removed, she was born, odds are that
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: this child was gonna test positive for myth and lo
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: and behold she did. And that's the question is what
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: happened from October to where we locate the child?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Mits Carter WFIE fourteen.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true the family actually told police Defects had
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the baby.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, actually that's true.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: You know, Corey King and I spoke and he, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: you mentioned, they're already to you, Nancy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Was that the folks who should know the most were
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: saying the least that are being extremely hard to work with,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: which is their right to deplete the fifth and not speak.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: But with that, all he was told right away, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: all KSP was told was the family told them that
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: social services had already taken the baby, and looking at
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: their records, that was plainly just untrue.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I want to go to Robin Driek joining me,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: former chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program and author.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Robin, this is the baby's family.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: They're lying there, are refusing to speak to police to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: protect their own drug paraphernalia and drug possession in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: home right there. That's just scream to you regarding red
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: flags and their behavior.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Nancy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: The thing that keeps screaming at me in this is
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: we talk about it, and I keep talking about these
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: behavior arcs. They had three clues from social services that
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't have this baby in this house, whether with
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: testing for meth or not. If you have three other
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: siblings that are in protective custody of services, why not
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: automatically put this baby in that? I mean, it's really
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: just profound. And also I'm really curious about what other
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: criminal activities they're going to be uncovering, and maybe more
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: tragedy because drug addicts do horrendous things to service their
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: own needs. But I'm really curious about how come you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: have three children already in services and the one wasn't
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: joining me.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: In addition to an All Star panel is Trooper Corey King,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police Trooper King. You mentioned that several of
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: your people had to come outside and quote your words,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: collect themselves. I will never forget as a prosecutor coming
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: up to a murder scene and I saw the first
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: thing I saw was an APD Atlanta Police Department officer
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: outside bent over vomiting. First thing I saw. I said
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: what happened to him as I walked in? And they say, Rookie,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: he had never seen a homicide scene or smelled, which
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I think is much worse a homicide scene. Before all
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: that aside the first child homicide I ever had, I'll
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: never forget it. I'll never forget it. I had to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: pretend I was looking for a witness in the hall.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I asked to be excused in the courtroom so I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: could go outside, quickly, find a lady's bathroom, go in
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: a stall, and just get it together and get back
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in there and prosecute that case. Describe to me the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: reaction of the other troopers and l law enforcement when
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: they realize.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: They have found Maya, a little baby girl. You know
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: how much people would pay in this country fifty sixty grand.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Or more to have a little baby girl like her,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and here she is wrapped up in plastic and dead
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: under a bunch of trash.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very surreal, and in fact, I think
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: the lead investigator was he almost felt like he was
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: on the wrong path. He really was hopeful. We all
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: were very optimistic, and we certainly did not expect to
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: find her there, and we really wanted her to be
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: alive somewhere. That's why we kept this case in the forefront.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Every day we was doing updates. I know Ms Carter
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: can tell you we were out on the scene every
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: day making sure even the smallest bit of information was there.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: As soon as we found her little body, and what
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: comes along with a decaying body, that crushed everyone's spirit.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: And it really you can just you can just feel
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: the tension in the air, and we all huddled, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: that completely changed the dynamic of our investigation. We went
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: from a search investigation hopefully we would find her alive,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: and then it went to a death investigation and in
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: a matter of a snap of a finger, it changed
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: and everyone's mood went completely A one eighty Trooper.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Corey King, I want to thank you on behalf of everyone,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and please pass on to your people our deep, deep thing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks for finding this baby. The only thing left now
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is to seek justice.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests, and I want to thank
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you for caring about these crime victims, especially maybe Maya.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.