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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-25-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Babbit Thursday. Every body, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be with you. As always, fun show lined
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: up for you today.
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  Speaker 2: We got Gordy Chiasa in studio with us for a
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  Speaker 2: half in a half hour for a full hour.
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  Speaker 1: Looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 2: Shahanji Rajah is going to swing by to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the latest in and around college football, the Big Twelve. Still,
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  Speaker 2: I think some people holding their breath to see if
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a bounce back, a blowback, a
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  Speaker 2: reaction to the NFL's denial of a supplemental draft opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for Brendan Soresby. All quiet on the Western front there.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a good thing. I think that might
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  Speaker 2: be an indicator that Soresby and his team are just
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  Speaker 2: realizing that you've exhausted a lot of options here and
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, maybe you just maybe
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have been betting on college football while you
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  Speaker 2: were a college football player. Maybe it's a controversial opinion,
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  Speaker 2: I know, but maybe are you out of your mind?
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  Speaker 1: Oh see?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the hard fast rules of sport should remain hard.
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  Speaker 1: Fast rules of sport.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say it again every time I have
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity. I want this same energy kept for violent crimes.
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  Speaker 2: I want this same energy kept for like actual harmful
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  Speaker 2: behaviors from players. If you hurt another human, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: your girlfriend, your baby, mama, your wife, a teammate, your
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  Speaker 2: younger brother, your grandma, your grandpa. I want football players
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  Speaker 2: to have to have not like moratorium for life, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, rehabilitation is something that we should all believe in,
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  Speaker 2: but consequences, severe consequences for behaviors that are detrimental to
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  Speaker 2: I think are important and should be absolutely taken seriously
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  Speaker 2: by the NCAA on that level, by the conferences on
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  Speaker 2: that level. I want this level of outrage and this
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  Speaker 2: level of upset around college sports every time a player
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  Speaker 2: is found guilty of a sexual assault. I want this
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  Speaker 2: level of problem and refusal to bend the rules every
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  Speaker 2: time a player has a domestic violence charge that they're
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  Speaker 2: found guilty of.
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  Speaker 1: And I know there's been no criminal case.
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  Speaker 2: For Brendan Sores being he hasn't been found guilty of anything,
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  Speaker 2: but he's admitted to these gambling behaviors and he kind
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  Speaker 2: of like checked every box on what.
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  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: So the NFL feels a certain way about it, and
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  Speaker 2: they've made their feelings known with the letter to Brendan
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  Speaker 2: Sowersby and of course with his lack of opportunity coming up.
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  Speaker 2: College football has made its opinions known on the situation.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that we're probably good there. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk with Sean jay Raja about that when he joins
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  Speaker 2: us in a bit. It is a game day for
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  Speaker 2: the US men's national team. US say US say, US say.
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  Speaker 1: We are all pulling on the same rope here.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be a night game Turkey versus USA has already
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  Speaker 2: won the group. We await their elimination round matchup. That'll
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  Speaker 2: be next Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Levi Stadium, Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Levi's Stadium allegedly San Francisco, Santa Clara Stadium, San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco Stadium they call in San Francisco Stadium pretty well,
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  Speaker 2: so so Gillette Stadium in Boston, Boston. I guess that's
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  Speaker 2: the way you got to do it, because if you
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  Speaker 2: if you're like a German fan, if you're a fan
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  Speaker 2: from the Netherlands, if you're someone who came from Dr Congo,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just like, oh, we'll get where you going
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  Speaker 2: what city are going to? In the United States? If
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  Speaker 2: you're like Santa Clara, people are gonna be what. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's when you have to say that that's a city.
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  Speaker 2: You have to say the state with it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to Foxborough. People like what.
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  Speaker 2: But if you say I'm going to Boston, they're like, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I have heard of Boston. It's kind of like it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like all of us when you meet somebody
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  Speaker 2: from Tennessee and they're just like, where are you from?
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm from Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh cool? What part are you to Salt Lake like
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  Speaker 2: the Grand the Greater Salt Lake City metro plex, Unless
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  Speaker 2: you like live in Saint George, you're basically saying you're
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  Speaker 2: from salt the way that I described it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: having you know, lived out of the country for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years or in the mission. I always told
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  Speaker 2: I always told people it's Saint George, Utah, a couple
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  Speaker 2: hours away from Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how I always said it.
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  Speaker 2: Because people know Vegas, they don't know I guess the
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  Speaker 2: light of demarkation is Cedar City. If you're from Cedar City,
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  Speaker 2: you could tell people you're three hours from Salt Lake,
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  Speaker 2: or you could tell people, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're three hours from Vegas. Basically, yeah, that might be it.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to decide which one of those is
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  Speaker 2: more recognizable, which, by the way, it's Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely good when you talk to people.
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  Speaker 2: And my experience is always talking to folks when I
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  Speaker 2: go to Africa and I'm just like, I'm from Utah
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, where's Utah. It's in the west,
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  Speaker 2: It's in the mountains. Closest city you've heard of is Vegas. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's near Vegas. Well, it's geographically it's pretty near Vegas. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it is very distant from Vegas. Culturally, they do the
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  Speaker 2: Vegas baby to you, and what happens there stays that Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we don't well, I mean, stays five hours away.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, So it is the US men's national team
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  Speaker 1: game day.
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  Speaker 2: I want this team to keep the same I know
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  Speaker 2: that that Mauricio Postchattino's got to do the right thing
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  Speaker 2: with the yellow cards. We talked about that yesterday with
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  Speaker 2: with Pablo Mastureeni. We talked about that with christ a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days ago. You got to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: you do the right thing. From a tactical standpoint, a
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  Speaker 2: player availability standpoint. I thought Pochattino did say yoocard guys
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  Speaker 2: are not playing, or he at least alluded to. I'm
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  Speaker 2: very curious to see how they're going to handle The captain,
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  Speaker 2: Christian Polistic, says he's good to go, he's worked his
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  Speaker 2: way back to health. But do you want to risk
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  Speaker 2: an aggravation of an injury in what is effectively an
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  Speaker 2: unnecessary game to play. You're already through, You've already won
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  Speaker 2: the group. Basically an international friendly, That's.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't want that mentality to
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  Speaker 2: even creep into the minds of this US men's national team.
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  Speaker 2: This is a World Cup game, This is a showcase opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: This is against what a lot of people thought was
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  Speaker 2: the other best team in your group.
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  Speaker 1: I want them to come out and smash Turkey. Did
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  Speaker 1: you see what Mexico did last night?
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  Speaker 2: Mexico has yet to concede a goal in the World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: They are three to zero, they have won by multiple goals.
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  Speaker 2: They have not given up a point as of yet.
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  Speaker 2: Meaningless game for them too last night, and it was
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  Speaker 2: meaningless and they are through now. I don't think the
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  Speaker 2: level of competition is quite exactly the same, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the energy. Like it's home field, right, defend your turf.
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  Speaker 2: This US men's national team. You want people to take
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  Speaker 2: you seriously. You want the conversation around the world of
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  Speaker 2: soccer to be like, Hey, this is a team that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna get out of the round of thirty two. This
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  Speaker 2: is a team that might get out of the round
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  Speaker 2: of sixteen. Let's get serious about them making at least
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  Speaker 2: a quarterfinal. Well, you gotta go out, and you gotta like,
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  Speaker 2: to some extent, put the foot on the gas pedal,
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  Speaker 2: and even if that's your reserves, even if that's your backups,
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  Speaker 2: playing that hard.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I want to see.
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  Speaker 2: There's a delicate balance to be struck between risk taking
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  Speaker 2: and managing your roster and making sure everyone's good for
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  Speaker 2: the games of consequence, the round a thirty two game.
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  Speaker 2: If you do something tonight that compromises that, obviously I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be sitting here and.
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  Speaker 1: Going, oh, why did you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Even hours after I'm like, well, you can't take your
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  Speaker 2: foot off the gas pedal.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go for the neck of this turkey.
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  Speaker 2: A team who's by the way, dejected demoralized, crestfallen. The
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  Speaker 2: only redemption that Turkya is going to find in their
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  Speaker 2: World Cup is beating you. They want to spoil your fun.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let them have it. Thank you for Turkish airways.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for hair replacement, hair transplant surgeries, all right,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for cheaping those jobs and augmentations.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you're good at. Turkey.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget the Kebabs have the great shout out, go
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  Speaker 2: beg the tepee and all these cool ancient alien sites.
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  Speaker 2: We love you for all of that, Turkey constantinople Is.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want you to feel like you got anything
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  Speaker 2: out of your visit to the United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: So congrats on congrats on hoodwinking everybody into believing you're
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  Speaker 2: a European country when you are literally you literally occupy
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  Speaker 2: the land that was Asia Minor and you're in the
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  Speaker 2: Arab part of the world there, Middle East. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: congrats and all that you're going to lose tonight. Also,
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  Speaker 2: just on the with Christian Polisic. Obviously you have to
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  Speaker 2: be careful. That's Captain America, right, that's your that's your
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  Speaker 2: best player, that's your captain. But I also think you
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  Speaker 2: gotta you gotta think about the fitness level too, Right,
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  Speaker 2: he's missed a couple of he or he missed a match. Here,
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  Speaker 2: he's coming off he's coming off of a of an injury.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope that they play him like a half
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  Speaker 2: sixty minutes just to help him get up the game
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  Speaker 2: speed again, get his get his feet wet again, and like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is how this is what World Cup games. My
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  Speaker 2: body knows what World Cup games are like. Again before
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  Speaker 2: the knockout round, when if you if you sit him
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  Speaker 2: out completely, ton Ido see, you throw him into the
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  Speaker 2: knockout round, and that's probably not the best game to
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  Speaker 2: try to return a guy from injury.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think use this as a way
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get it.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get some pulistic I want to know what
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  Speaker 2: it looks like. I want to know if he starts
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  Speaker 2: the game, if he plays a half. I want to
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  Speaker 2: know if he plays probably the whole sum. I want
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  Speaker 2: to know if he's kind of like positionally and tactically,
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  Speaker 2: if he's he's like playing a little Eric Webb week
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  Speaker 2: one of the playoffs when they called them out of retirement,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just like be out there and put yourself
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  Speaker 2: in the right position. Give this other team a look.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's got to mark you, draw defender over to you.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't need you in there battling for every
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  Speaker 2: loose ball header. We'll see, we'll see what it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a big game, even though it's not a
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  Speaker 2: big game, even though it is inconsequential to your advancement.
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  Speaker 2: I think as a tone setter and as a message
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  Speaker 2: to send to the rest of the field and a
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  Speaker 2: host nation responsibility. Canada's through Mexico's through USA is through right.
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  Speaker 2: I want it to look like it did for Mexico already.
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  Speaker 2: They've got to step ahead of you because they have
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  Speaker 2: yet to concede a goal. But you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: So we look forward to that. I wish it was
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  Speaker 2: on while we were doing the show today. It's been
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  Speaker 2: so fun having the one o'clock games for Team USA.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually bummed out that no games like it's a
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  Speaker 2: late slate of games today. Ecuador, Germany at two o'clock,
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  Speaker 2: Curros ol Ivory Coast at a clock. Japan, Sweden and
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  Speaker 2: Tunisian Netherlands are both at five. Pedaguay, Australia and Turkey
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  Speaker 2: a USA both.
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  Speaker 1: At eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Which game are you watching Paraguay Australia or USA Turkey?
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  Speaker 1: Just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: YouTube TV multiview right there, if you're fancy and you
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  Speaker 2: have the YouTube TV or whatever service is that that
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  Speaker 2: might have multiview whatever. Swedens is going to have lots
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  Speaker 2: of soccer on during his show, so he's he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: have the the advantage there. The joy and the pain
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  Speaker 2: of being an nf NBA or NFL or Major League
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  Speaker 2: Baseball or NHL draft pick on display in the second
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  Speaker 2: round last night for BYU's Richie Saunders. He ends up
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  Speaker 2: going with the second pick of the second round. He's
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  Speaker 2: taken thirty two overall. He's going to Memphis. That's a
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  Speaker 2: pick that's from Indiana, VA Milwaukee. Richie Saunders finds himself
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  Speaker 2: in the according to current NBA players and a survey,
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  Speaker 2: the least desirable NBA city Now by glimmer of hope
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  Speaker 2: for Richie Saunders is I do think that in the
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  Speaker 2: next five years we're going to see the Memphis franchise
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  Speaker 2: relocated to Nashville, and that is one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: cities in America.
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  Speaker 1: That's an awesome place.
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  Speaker 2: Also with them taking Cam Boozer, which is an incredible
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  Speaker 2: fit and obviously we expect him to be an incredible player.
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  Speaker 2: They're able to offload John Morant for some good you know,
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  Speaker 2: draft capital and maybe some good players in return. Memphis
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  Speaker 2: could be on the rise again here soon, so that
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  Speaker 2: there's that too. But yeah, even better would be them
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  Speaker 2: relocating on Noam Yakov not drafted last night, which I
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  Speaker 2: think bodes well for the University of Utah and the
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  Speaker 2: likelihood that he ends up play up on the Hill.
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  Speaker 1: That's good all McGary Jensen.
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  Speaker 2: All but guaranteed now because it really was whether or
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  Speaker 2: not he'd get drafted, and in particular whether he'd get
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  Speaker 2: drafted in the first round. And I mean at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day that I'm sure there will be
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  Speaker 2: some type of G League or you know, ten day
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  Speaker 2: contract opportunity for him, but that's not right now as
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  Speaker 2: lucrative or as stable as committing to a season and
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  Speaker 2: playing at you know, the college level. So that's that's
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  Speaker 2: good news for the University of utap men's basketball team.
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  Speaker 2: And look, one thing, when we're talking Utah athletics, the
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  Speaker 2: only thing that is assured and guaranteed right now is
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  Speaker 2: the change on the horizon. You've got a football season
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  Speaker 2: coming up.
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  Speaker 1: What are we seventy one days away?
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  Speaker 2: Seventy exactly seventy days away from the kickoff of football
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  Speaker 2: season on a Thursday night. You've got a brand new
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff, You've got a brand new offense, You've got
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  Speaker 2: a brand new look coming next July, the partnership officially
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  Speaker 2: announced it'll be Adidas for the Utah Athletic department moving
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  Speaker 2: forward rather than under Armor. This is something that we've
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  Speaker 2: known about for a couple of weeks, but you always
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  Speaker 2: wait for the official release from the athletic department itself.
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  Speaker 2: The financial terms of this look like it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a net neutral when it comes to the money in
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  Speaker 2: the situation. But I think a key aspect that you
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  Speaker 2: can't overlook but also you can't get overly excited about.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe a net neutral in its own right is
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  Speaker 2: that this Adidas deal comes with increased nil opportunities for
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  Speaker 2: Utah athletes. So they're gonna give you your six and
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  Speaker 2: a half million dollars per year or whatever from the
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  Speaker 2: merch and cash standpoint, and then the athletes themselves.
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  Speaker 1: This is the battle for Utah football.
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  Speaker 2: Utah basketball to a lesser extent, Utah Gymnastics and company.
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  Speaker 2: This is the battle that you have to fight. This
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  Speaker 2: is the battle that you have to win. We're watching
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  Speaker 2: it play out on the recruiting trail right now. You
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  Speaker 2: know the the on threes and the folks that you know,
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  Speaker 2: the ute zones. These guys are right now really diving
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  Speaker 2: into this recruiting stuff. You've got this slew of commitments
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  Speaker 2: coming in and a lot of it is really good news.
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  Speaker 2: Three and four stars locals staying on top of the
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  Speaker 2: Utah kids that I know. That's a priority for Morgan
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  Speaker 2: Scalley and his staff and it should be.
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  Speaker 1: This is a.
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  Speaker 2: Fertile recruiting ground in the nation now for elite football players. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: the SEC knows it, the Big ten knows it. Michigan
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  Speaker 2: especially knows it. It looks like you're going to miss
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  Speaker 2: out on Body Sparrow, the best player in next year's class,
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  Speaker 2: because of nothing other than.
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  Speaker 1: Financials. Great kid, great family.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Ty Sparrow, his dad two sport after
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  Speaker 2: a Weaver State University.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome player.
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  Speaker 2: If you've watched any of his film, if you had
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  Speaker 2: a chance to watch him at Davis High School, do anything,
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  Speaker 2: he's a special player. He's going to be a special player.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like his services are going to be taken out
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  Speaker 2: of state. And the money, no matter what spin anyone
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  Speaker 2: wants to put on it, the money is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that is going to cause this problem or the continuation
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  Speaker 2: of this problem for Utah and even still for BYU
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  Speaker 2: because now that you're prominent enough programs that you're going
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  Speaker 2: after the same kids at Oklahoma and Oregon and Texas,
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  Speaker 2: A and M and Alabama and Texas are going after
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  Speaker 2: now that they have discovered what.
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  Speaker 1: High school football in the.
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  Speaker 2: State of Utah really looks like, what the Polynesian especially
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  Speaker 2: community in Utah provides in terms of upside and talent.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're talking about getting into an arms ray that
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  Speaker 2: you really have to figure out a way to win.
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  Speaker 2: And if this Adida's deal does even one extra inch
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  Speaker 2: of work for you on that, then it's worth it.
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  Speaker 2: It was worth it to get away from under armour
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. In my opinion eight seven seven
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  Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred, I know everybody's asking
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  Speaker 2: the same question. We're here home with the utes Adidas
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  Speaker 2: It's official. Is that a downgrade, an upgrade or a
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  Speaker 2: neutral for you. I think that until we see what
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  Speaker 2: the uniforms are actually going to look like, you can't
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  Speaker 2: you can't say it's anything better than a neutral. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's a downgrade. I like Adidas more than
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  Speaker 2: I like under Armour. That could be a personal preference thing.
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  Speaker 2: The basketball shoes especially are going to be much better
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  Speaker 2: on the Adida's front.
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  Speaker 1: And if now.
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  Speaker 2: Elite, elite, elite Utah student athletes were always going to
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  Speaker 2: have access to under Armours NIL opportunities as well, Right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it's not officially as far as we know, it wasn't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: officially written into the under Armour contract or the under
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Armour offer for a reup. Adidas has that maybe as
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: little you know, ace in the whole, little trump card
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in the pocket. Well, we're going to make sure that
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: your student athletes have an inside track to our NIL opportunities.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: That is the selling point right now for a lot
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of universities. What can you do to help me with NIL?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Because as the rules change and the revenue sharing landscape
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and the NIL kind of bleed into each other and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: what is.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Going to be allowed? Is there going to be a cap?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Is this legislation actually going to go through If it does,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: how long are the legal challenges going to take before
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it's actually implemented. The Utah Athletic Department, more than any
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that we know, is looking at ways to say, how
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: do I make sure that I can compensate my student
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: athletes a fair market value while also selling the family culture,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: while also selling the development and get you to the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: NFL or the NBA if that's what you're interested in.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to do the same things. Utah has had
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to do things in a more creative way. That's why
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the changes are inevitable. That's why we've been watching and
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: reporting and hearing about people getting nervous with this ultro
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: capital deal. And depending on who you listen to, folks,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you got to make sure that your sources on this
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: thing are well fleshed out. You gotta have as many
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: conversations as you can, because this has been a major,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: major part of my away from the show discussions for
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a long time now, and I still still feeling like
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I've got decent input from people in the know. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: still am not sure if this is an okay deal,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: if this is a catastrophically bad deal, if this is
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: something that is going to save Utah Athletics says we
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: know it, in which case it would be a great
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: deal if this is the innovative, game changing, life changing,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: industry altering deal that is being sold to us.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: As I still I don't like to tell you I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: My job as a sports talk radio host is to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: come here and pretend I know everything.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't on this one.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: As much as I have tried, and as much as
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: people close to us here on the station, as much
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: as we have dug in and been reported to and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, there's just there's so many differing opinions
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: on this. And the company line for the home of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the Utes and the company line for the university is
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: this is something that everybody's gonna eventually do.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I am not so sure about that. But again I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: am not so sure.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Despite Spence's great interview with Mark Harlan, there was still
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: some major question marks even after that, on the distribution
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of funds, on how the slot the pie slide, the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: final number. This could be a five hundred million dollar deal, Okay, awesome,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: What if it's a ninety million dollar deal? This could
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: be one hundred and fifty million dollar deal? All right, Well,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that's not as sexy as five hundred million. And if
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we believe the state auditor, Hey, just so you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you got like ninety million dollars worth of debt that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you need to handle first. Oh all right, so we're
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: so we're just using this capital infusion to pay off
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: debts that we already incurred.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not as sexy, that's not as exciting. Then
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: what's left over?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: If it's five hundred million and you've got ninety million,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: you got to you gotta.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Slice off, all right, cool?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That still leaves us with four hundred plus million dollars
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: over the next decade or however long it is, that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: we can deploy to make sure we've got the right court,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to make sure we got the right offensive coordinator, to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: make sure that the basketball facilities are what they need
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to be, to give Alex Jensen a little private plane
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to go recruit the best guys from Europe. Whatever it is.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: We're still looking for clarity on some of that. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: now we get a concrete announcement. It's going to be
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Adidas moving forward, and Adidas is going to give you
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this much money, and there's going to be at least
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a carrot you can dangle to the Devin Dan Piers,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the Bird Ficklands, the way Sean Parker's. Hey, not only
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is our revenue share giving you this much money. Not
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: only is the Garf family or whoever giving you this
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: much money to be in this commercial. Adidas, who just
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: signed the Utah Jazz draft pick to the one of
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the top five most lucrative rookie shoe deals ever, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: by the way, sponsored him when he was in high
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: school and in college. We now have the opportunity for
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you to cash in on that. It's gonna be merit based,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and even with under Armour it would have been merit based,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: but under Armour was not as aggressive in their posturing
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: as Adidas has been with trying to make sure they
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have those relationships with elite players, especially on the basketball front.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I actually think this helps basketball more than it does football.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think it helps football because.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: You don't have those crappy cleats anymore. I think it
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: helps basketball more. And I'm sure Alex Jensen and his
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: crew are overjoyed because Under Armour Basketball. All respect to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry, under Armoured Basketball is a joke. It never
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it never was a great brand. I mean, other than
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: maybe this STEPH shoes. That was it like growing up.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: O See, obviously Nike was the one that everyone wanted
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to wear. But then after that you had I mentioned
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: that one of my favorite basketball shoes was was the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: T Max shoes. That was Adidas. Don's Donovan Mitchell's shoes.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: His first couple were really good. Those are obviously Adidas.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: They've been in the basketball game for a lot longer
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: than under Armour has, so that should bring a lot
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of cachet to the basketball program.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: University of Utah. Here's what I want you to do.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I want the official team shoe you go back to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the late nineties, early two thousands. I want you to
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: make the official team shoe Crimson in white, all Crimson,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: whatever you want, the Allen Iverson's give me the answers.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Those are Rebok? Right? Those were Rebok, weren't they? You
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: can do tax is rebox still around. I have no idea.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: My whole premise just evaporated. Sorry, no, it's was accurate.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Whispers that's Rebok.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Could be? I mean T mac is the highest profile
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: shoe from the Adidas brand.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Antwine Walker's bring back the old Antwine Walker Adidas after
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I ruined that whole thing Kobe.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Was initially with Adidas. They Adidas Kobe.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: There are rumblings that the changes, this one is a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: very visible, front facing change that I think fans are
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: going to be passionate about one way or another. That
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the fan base itself is going to be looking at
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this and either loving it or hating it. I have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: been actually stunned and surprised on Twitter and on social
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: media and even on their own text line eight seven
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. I've been amazed
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: at how many people are after years with under Armour,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they're under Armoured loyalists. Now at how many people are like, no,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I love this under Armour stuff. I love the under
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Armourer gear. I thought the uniforms honestly were kind of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: hitting miss with under Armour, but mostly hit.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Adidas or under Armour.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Nike out never was really a strong possibility. You didn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: want to explore the new balance opportunity because Bah, you
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: didn't want to really get in serious about any of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the alternate brands. I think this is okay, and it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: one that is smacking you in the face as a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Utah fan. Behind the scenes, there are a lot of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: rumblings of further changes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And by the way, when they.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Happen, they're gonna happen unexpectedly, they're gonna happen, and it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, oh, this is already done. Not if
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the if the Utah Athletic Department is better than anyone
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: else right now, it's one thing. It's playing the cards
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: close to the chest, it's keeping it tight. It's the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: circle of trust.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good thing for Alex Jensen,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing for Morgan Scalley. And we saw
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: evidence of that with the strength and conditioning coach change. Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was gonna say there is a lot
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: of a lot of people in the donor base right
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: at any at any university. Utah's got a lot of
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: people and a lot of those guys know about these
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: about any changes that are being made to the athletic
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: department well before they're announced, right. And Utah even with
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: those people that are in the circle of trust but
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: they're not technically affiliated with.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: The university, they keep it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: They keep it in house like that, which is which
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: is really impressive by them. So keep a weather eye
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: on the hill, all right, I think if the beacons
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: of Gondor are lit, you're gonna see the smoke before
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: you realize it's coming. Yeah, And I would venture to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: say if the rumors that have trickled down to us
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: so see turn out to be true. The two announcements
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that have been made recently, the Outro Capital deal being
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: signed and this Adidas deal, are the two that the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: university would prefer that you give your most attention to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and talk about the most. Probably, I think that if
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: we get any of the other things that we're hearing about,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it's actually going to be right around Big twelve media days,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: maybe slightly before, which are coming in.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Less than two weeks now.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So this is as important a time in the history
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of Utah football, Utah basketball, Utah athletics as we have
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: ever experienced. Ever, this era is just as important as
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: realignment and an invitation to the Pac twelve. Now it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: not as overwhelmingly obviously pointed in the right direction as
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that was, which is why it's hard for people. It's
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: interesting for me right because it could go the way
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of Wow, Look, Utah first movers private equity, save their
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: athletic department. Now they're invited to the Big ten. Now
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: they're on the same level as all these other powerhouse universities.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It could go that way, and that the root of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that will be this era of Utah athletics on this
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: shaky ground in a landscape that is effectively Quicksand unfortunately,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the other side of that, on the cliff side of
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that precipice is Utah sold their athletic department to a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: private equity firm.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: The coaches and the players are doing everything in their
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: power to make sure that the narrative stays where the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: narrative belongs on the competition, these things are beyond their control.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I cannot wait for the season for practices for football
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: because you know what, when I'm watching that, I know
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: what I'm watching. Even with I feel more like I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: know what I'm watching with soccer with this World Cup
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: than when I'm taking phone calls, making phone calls, reading
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: articles about private equity and about legislation to protect college
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: sports and all that stuff that is not my department.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: That is stuff that I don't want. It's like when
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: we did those two hundred consecutive shows during COVID about like, hey,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: make sure you're wearing a mask, but also, the mask
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: probably doesn't work. But also we think that they can
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: play this game. But wait, they don't have enough players
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to play this game.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: No, they're going to try to play this game, but
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: there's actually only five offensive linemen available. So now they're
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: going to forfeit this game. They're going to reschedule. It
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: feels like that this is as important a time in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Utah athletics as we have ever experienced.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Ever, it's happening right now.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Hold your breath, hang on, say your prayers, put the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: positive vibes out there. You need this to go the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: way that the athletic department, the leadership, the coaching is
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: trying to point it. You need it to go that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: way because you're not gonna get a second chance at this.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You may have just mortgaged your second chance, but that
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: second chance might be because of the mortgage, if that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: makes sense. Enough on that, we're gonna get Gordi Chiza
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: here in studio. We're gonna talk about the draft. We
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: went through the whole first round. We got to get
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: his thoughts on the second round. Huge trades continue to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: happen in the NBA. Huge trades continue to be rumored
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. It's the Thursday edition of the Sean
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show. We are rolling on ESPN seven hundred ninety two.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: He said, Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: with former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: about the NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Let's not get crazy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Come for the Hoop's Talk, stay for his list of
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the day and list today. Here's oc with basketball Soban
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I'm one, Well, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Welcome in, Gordy Chiasa, a resident NBA guru, brought to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you by Aladdin Industries, your Vlux Skylights dealer here in
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: the state of Utah. Gordy, I feel like I haven't
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: seen you for well. I let you take the day
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: off yesterday. You didn't have to deal with me at
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: all yesterday. But now you're back.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Hi, we're back in forth right now. We're very happy
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: to be here.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: And Sean's talking about we're together in the draft with
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Smitty and also with Spence check its and we had
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: a good time and so did Utah Jazz. They had
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: a good time drafting down Darren Peterson at two and
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Sean I said this recently that I never knew a team,
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: whether it's the NBA or the NFL, that didn't like
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: their draft picks one day after the draft.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Ever, Sean ever my whole life.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's really thrilled with their draft picks right now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: And they should be.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: And then suddenly now comes to the really gritty part
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: about it. Who's going to play out as far as
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: long term and Jazz basketball showing with Darren Peterson, they're
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: getting a high level talent. That's the first thing this
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: guy is his unique skill set. He can make knockdown jumpers,
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: so he can score the ball, and he has a
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: strong body six or five or so, and he's like
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: he's rugged. Now, the question is can he at what
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: point can he right away step into the NBA and
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: perform at a at a high level. It will take
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: some time, but all the skill sets and talent it
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: is absolutely there.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: We were speculating on, you know, usage and splitting time
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and does he coexist in the back court at the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: same time with Keyante George or do they use him
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you know, separate from one another. Obviously it's not gonna
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: be binary. You're going to get some of everything. But
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you know, we were we were trying to guess. And
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I imagine you've had a conversation or two since the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: draft pick happened. Any further insight on what the planned
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: usage is with their backcourt.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: I'm specling that it's going to be Cante George as
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: a point guard who's emerged.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He's getting better each year.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Caante as far as being a point guard slash shooter,
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: I'm saying that darren'son to start at two, Peterson, Larry
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Marketing at three, Jaron Jackson at four, and when they
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: do resign Walker Kessla at five and use Ace Belly
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: off the bench as the sixth man, which we actually
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: will help him.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I know, it's like.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: Blasphemy saying he had he had really a solid rookie
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: season with so much promise. He still has that, and
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: then he plays with Isaiah Kallier, who's really a point guard.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: So as what I'm thinking that they're gonna try to
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: possibly do that, Darren Peterson is not a point guard,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: especially age nineteen years old. He's a guard, which is
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: which is great but when you're a point guard in
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: the NBA, or play the point guard position, I'm using
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: different words right now. Your job is to get everybody
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: involved in the offense. Right initially, Sean at first in
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: the words to be a winning point guard on the NBA.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: There's nothing like it, Sean, where your world changes every
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: twenty four seconds.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: We've talked about this, yet every twenty four seconds.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It's like playing quarterback, but you're playing quarterback with no huddle.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: You're playing quarterback with no stoppage between plays. You're playing
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: quarterback where there's a constant evolution of the defense, the substitution,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: what's happening in front of you, with really no feedback
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: from anyone else.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Correct, And so the point guard position is absolutely critical.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: And you saw in the playoffs how Jalen Brunson was
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: able to watch get everybody involved but still watch score
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: the ball. And then when they played Alvarado off the
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: bench as this six foot undrafted guy, that made even
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: more dramatic for Jalen Brunson to make the shots less.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: Fast forwarding the San Antonio Spurs against who you play against,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: where Stefan Castle is a point guard who's rugged and
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: he was able to get everybody involved in the offense
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: and not sacrifice his own ability to score. And the
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: darn Fox, who's the starting point guard, he played off
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: the ball, meaning Stefan he took out Fox. That Stefan
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Castle was it. That's very similar to Darren Peterson. So
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: if you like Stephan Castle, visualize Darren Peterson. That's who
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: he plays like with the same sort of body. But
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: but Darren Peace can shoot even better than Stephan Castle,
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: Castle Moore of a mid range which is tremendous mid
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: range rugged take a hit. Darren peterskin can do that,
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: but his jump shut is smooth, showing it's velvet.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: We saw like if you watched his high school highlight tape,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: there's a ton of Darren Peterson just exploding to the basket,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: being the dominant athlete, dunking on people. That was certainly
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: part of his game at Kansas. You and I have
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: talked about and he's still a young player. He's going
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to be a young player for the next like eight years.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: So it's not the time to necessarily say, oh, you
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: have to adjust your style of play in order to
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: increase longevity in this league. You've got the body type
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: or you could probably sustain that a little bit longer.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But for what the Jazz want to do.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Stylistic and tactically, how much of a governorship do you
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: have to put on his attacking instinct to the basket
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: or instead do you cultivate that and say absolutely, go
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: get yourself to the free through line. Go and you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: take on those shot blockers. Let's see what you got kid.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Do you have to alter that natural tendency of his
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: No, not at all. The answer is you would not.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You don't want to harness him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: But you want to do is though they try to
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: show on t be in attack mode, strike to the
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: basket in the lane, but don't do it early in
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: the shot clock. All the time. Execute offense, in other words,
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: move the ball, pass the ball, screen, cut, et cetera.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: To be involved in the offense. And then we have
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: ultra talent. Then you able to strike off the dribble
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: within the flow of the offense. The only exception would
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: be if the guy guarding you is absolutely in no stance,
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: he's upright, take him off the dribble and then create
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: for someone else on an early shot clock. But we're
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: assuming though that defense is relatively strong. They're gonna make
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: you counter that. And that's why ball movement, player movement,
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: the ball skipping around the floor. And then when you
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: get the ball, like any sport, whenever the ball comes
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: to you in space, that's a great way to go
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: a solo act to show your talent and ball skills,
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: and that's learning how to play with the ball without
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: the ball. I'm excited this guy has that talent. And
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: the Jazz have a good team. You know, the Jazz
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: are serious about winnings, have good players, and so now
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: it's we're gonna see what the Jazz what they really
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: can do. Here's a less point about that. Oh, by
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: the way, you've got to play defense as a unit.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: So the Jazz are going no place, even though they're
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: talented roster until they commit the playing defense. Not some
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: of the time, but please most of the time. And
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: now we'll see, Sean if they can do that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Already we're seeing, you know, kind of the draft grades
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and people starting to wake up to the national media
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: and people that aren't typically paying a ton of attention
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to basketball. In Salt Lake City, a lot of people
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: are now starting to kind of like prepare themselves to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: climb back on this bandwagon, Like big time media names
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: are starting to point out, Hey, you know what the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Jazz are like a sneaky good team right now, look
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: at this roster.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We've been projecting what it would look like if you
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: would cover in the NBA as a whole. You probably
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: started paying attention to the Utah Jazz a little bit,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and you've been keeping one eye on the Ace Bailey situation.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But now people are really waking up to the idea
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that this Jazz roster is something you can have expectations
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of inside the locker room, Gordy, inside the building. What
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: does that do for the coaches and the players? How
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: does it change things for them when now they have
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: high expectations for themselves. But the rest of the world
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: is finally starting to pay attention and say, oh, you
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: know what we have expectations of you now.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Also, yes, it heightens the accountability and the accountability within
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: your The biggest accountability is peer pressure.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Within your own teammates and floormates and workmates. And so
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: now if you're really a leader of a team, that's
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: when you really have to understand that we're in this
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: together and that if we sacrifice just slightly a part
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: of our game, but collectively defensively we dig in. We're
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: going to share in the accolades of one and Jazz
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: bet realistically at the Jazz next year, went between forty
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: two the forty six games, and try to knock on
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Heaven's door for a playoff bid, whether it's the fifth, sixth, seventh,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: eighth seed in the West, and then see all plays out.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: That's free listic the Jazz winning forty The Jazz really
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: should have a winning season next year. That's the low
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: bar sewan because they have talent and so we'll see
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: it all plays out, but it starts and ends on
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: defense and with the peer pressure of the group. Here's
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: the question, though, as always, who is the Jazz leader.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: So Larry Markin is a tremendous talent in his prime,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: he's quiet. Jaron Jackson just got here last year. He
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: only played three games. Walker Kessler is relatively a quiet person,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: relatively speaking. Ace Bailey turns twenty in August, so and
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson is now nineteen years old, hasn't played a
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: game yet. So the leader should be Keyante George should
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: be And that's the question.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: So now suddenly the excellent Conte George as a fourth
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: year player him to now lead this group right now,
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: with Isaiah Kallia as the backup point guards as another
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: voice in the locker room.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: That's what it gets interesting.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: We've got Gordy for the next forty five minutes or so.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break here. When we come back,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: there's trade still happening around the NBA. Should the Jazz
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: get involved in any of these trade discussions. We've got
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: our NBA guru.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: We're rolling.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred and
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: ninety two one FM.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you you.
• 44:13
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• 44:32
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• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome man, Gordy Chisa.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: NBA trade talks continue around the league. Big blockbuster happened
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: yesterday as the second round is unfolding, LaMelo Ball leaving
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Charlotte headed to Minnesota. Obviously, Giannis is going to Miami.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Just a lot of strange things going on, and the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Celtics reportedly still shopping Jalen Brown, foreigner Finals, former Finals MVP,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Gordie CHASEA. Should the Jazz throw their their name in
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: with any of these big time trades that are happening?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: That are they already executed a very significant trade less
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: than a year ago now, Jared Jackson junior, former Defensive
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Player of the Year coming to Salt Lake City. That
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was that was a big trade, and it felt like
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: there was a vision behind it. Now you've got if
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: things pencil out the way they think they will, you
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: have this three towers, this big, big front court, right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I think that makes sense when you're playing against San Antonio,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: when you're playing against Denver, when you're playing against Minnesota,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: when you're playing against Oklahoma City. But should the Utah
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Jazz get themselves involved with any of these other trade?
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, your answers very much so, Jones, alluding to about
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: possibly Jail and Brown. Jalen Brown is a tremendous talent
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: in the prime of his career. He can score twenty
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: six points a game, defend, rebound, pass the ball, get
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: his teammates involved, and he's a very intelligent person. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: he's in his prime right now, all right, Selta trying
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: to move him on. Jason Tatum is still there. They
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: like their team, the Celtics that injured last year. Now
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: they're shopping around. If you're the Jazz. Remember now, Danny
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: ainstrafted him and so that's a factor right now. And
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Austin Age work with him for many years, so they
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: know his personality, they know his family, they know his people,
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: and it's all part of somewhat the equation as far
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: as the total picture, as far as if you pursue
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: somebody or not. So the question is if he did,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: who with the Jazz. Possible Again, we're just speculating. Positive
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: give up would have to be Larry marketing, that's the
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: first thing. And maybe a signing trade with Walker Kessler
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: to go to the Celtics because the Celtics do need
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: a big man and that so that's possibly could happen.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: Even though the drafted a young guy named Chris Cernak
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: from Houston to twenty seventh pick of the draft. He's
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: not ready, but he's a good, promising young talent. So
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: it'll be something like that. And every team is doing
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: the exact same thing. As far as what would they
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: offer if Jeleen Brown is really truly available what they offer,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: So everyone's going through the same exercise of what would happen.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: Maybe also certainly it was only one guy minimum Jail
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: and Brown would would would justify giving away three free
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: future first round draft picks. They would if Rudy got
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: five first round picks, If Rudy Gobert, Jalen Brown's worth
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: three right now plus plus really an accomplished player. So
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: we'll see. It's all speculative. And that's the beauty of
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: the quote. The off season. The off season in the
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: NBA is absolutely the highly of it is right now
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: between the draft and now free agency and now which
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: starts which starts again July first for all the teams.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: But you can be signed your own free agent right now.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: So you see some players that are are signing contracts
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: because it's it's there, it's their parent team, that's uh,
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: that's uh they're talking to and signing it. Most times
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: it ends showing the calendar usually the first week of August,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: because that's when Shawn a lot of the players that
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: were maybe off the bench, guys haven't gotten not gotten
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: guaranteed money.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yet have to go overseas or stay home.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: August second, August third, August fourth is that first week
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: of August. That's when it stops. Basically, so next five
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: weeks Seawan buckle up.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Could the Utah Jazz execute any kind of meaningful trade?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Bring in anyone?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jalen Brown is this white whale of I mean,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a big get. He's still on the
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: right side of thirty, although he's going to be thirty soon.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: He have viously has the credentials, he has championship experience,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: all these things, right, But is there a way that
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you can acquire somebody like that without completely altering the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: plan that has been in place.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: For however long?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Is there a way you can execute that trade with
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Boston as the Angels and still get a favorable deal
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: because they're gonna be like, we know how you guys operate, Danny,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna fleece us here. I mean, is there
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: a way you could realistically make something like that happen
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: without upsetting the apple cart that you have somewhat meticulously built.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Unlikely? Yes, unlikely? So then you're just you're describing there
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: the foundation is being set, and now slightly fast tracking.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: If I'm the Jazz, I would consider Yelling Brown because
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: he's what the Jazz need is a absolutely a player
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: that can get in a playoff type game in the future.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: He can get twenty seven in the playoff game and
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: hold the other teams start. In other words, he could
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: guard in a playoff game. He would slow down Anthony Edwards.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: See again, it's who you play against, especially in the
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: Jazz go forward in playoff basketball. That is the goal
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: to get to the playoffs and then try to attempt
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: to win each year, win around and keep going past that.
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: So that's what it comes down to. Do you want
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: to keep the slow growth model or do you want
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: to slightly accelerat it knowing that the young players are
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: going to play and these young guys have talent. So
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: the Jazz have a good dilemma and a lot of
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: other teams also, again, every team thinks the same way.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: They might articulate it and messaging differently, but everyone right
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: now is looking at how they can improve their roster
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: with giving away minimum assets. And if we have to
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: give away certain players has to affect our salary cap
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: and our first apron as far as taxes and worse
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: than that our second apron. So again, you know expression Sewan,
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: You've got to get banged for your buck. And that's
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: when it comes down to so much as how you
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: value players. For example, Sean Julius Champenny, this guy for
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: the Spurs, was making rainbow jump shots, is playing in
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: the NBA finals, undrafted.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Four years ago.
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: He makes this shit next year, coming up his contract,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: he makes three million dollars Sean three million dollars for
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: a guy in a playoffs where you could justify paying
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: him Sean fifteen million.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: You could Moldlevele exception. Okay, you want to go more?
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: All right, great, you could, you could.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: And that's why the Spurs type teams, that's why they
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: are good, because they identify these guys that are vastly undervalued. Remember,
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: the more you win, the more you pay. And that's
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: where you have to get these guys that are absolutely
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: have winning games but are undervalue. And that's the scouting
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: to personnel people. They they earn their salaries when they
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: get these guys and they determine, let's sign this guy.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: This guy's a perfect fit for our unit.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Gordya Chaers is here with us for another half hour
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: or so, we'll try to stay on clock. Taking a
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: break right now, we'll evaluate some of the trades that
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: have already happened. We'll look at some of these second
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: round picks. Some local flavor sprinkled in there. It's the
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show with Gordia Chias on ESPN seven ninetyfmal.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show for
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: two to one half.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Am, all right, we got Gordia jays for another twenty
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: something minutes here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: He's got a list for us, But man, he's got
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: my gears of churning. Here where the Celtics are actively
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: shopping Jalen Brown, champion, former Finals MVP Elite Guard, you
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: could probably get him. The Anges know the Celtics, The
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Celtics know the Ages. I actually let me ask you this, Gordy,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: because of the intimate knowledge that those two parties have
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: with one of the does it make the deal easier
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: to execute or more.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Difficult to execute?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Because the Celtics know how savvy and good and how
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Age usually wins these trades. So are they Are they
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: gun shy making a trade with him, feeling like, oh,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: he's getting one over.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: On us, Noss, No, they're they're they know each other
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: very well and it's gonna be equal footing. Okay, Stevens
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: is very talented. General Magic done a great job also
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: replacing his former coach and replaced any Inge with the Celtics. Again,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: it just makes sense. Again, do we just speculating what
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: happens as far as that? So Walker Kessy restricted free agent?
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: Did you offered him for the list? They offered him
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: the largest contract ever in the history of the NBA
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: for a non All Star center, a non All Star center.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: They offered him four years at twenty eight point five
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: million dollars average. That's more than absolutely fair from the
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: Jazz point of view. And Walker keslo which here's the rules.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: He can sign it right now or he can wait,
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: and he's a free restricted. Teams could bid on him
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: on July first. The Jazz have forty eight hours. Once
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: they receive the actual bid from that other team, they
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: are forty eight hours to execute whether to say yes
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: or no. If they say yes, we want them on
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: our team.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: The Jazz.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: Then the Jazz can right away pivot and to sign
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: and trade with another team, you have to first accept
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: the terms, meaning the Jazz we want him on our team,
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: and then signing trade.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's say that the Celtics wat Walker Kessler anyway
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and they're willing to offer him. They they'll tender him
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: an offer sheet because they're losing Bussevich right.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Free agent.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: So you say, all right, you know we're gonna price
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz out of Walker Kessler. I don't think
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: they can do so quite so, week sleep because right
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: now they've got Jalen Brown and they've got Jason Tatum
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: on the books. That doesn't feel like a real mechanism
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: for the Boston Celtics to get Walker Kessler. So in
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that case, a sign and trade with Jalen Brown coming
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: back and his number coming off the Celtics books would
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: make more sense, even from the Boston side of things.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Is that accurate?
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Yes, So we'll see again.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: Is there all discussions you know, you know, expression is
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: shown in the war room.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the war room.
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: In the war room is this place where everybody goes
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: into the as far as the personnel people in the
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: off season and even though it's sunny here in Salt
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: Lake City, it's beautiful ninety seven degrees. Makes you make
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: sure you have your sungliss in it right now. In
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: the war rooms showing it's always cloudy. The war room
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: is always cloudy shown the windows are closed. It's like
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: the situational room where everybody's talking about every scenario. Everyone's
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: on the phone and from the personnel side, that's seeing
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: what actually could happen that, who's available, who's not being truthful?
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Are you being truthful?
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: Remember, everyone's trying to get the best deal for them
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: to give away the least assets. That's perfectly normal in
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: every business. We like to do any transaction by the way.
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: You win and we win. That's perfect scenario. And speaking
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: of winning, Sean is the question with the Tea Wolves
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: and the Hornets yesterday was that big trade where the
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Tea Wolves, who went to the conference finals two straight
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: years until this year, they made a generational trade for
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: LaMelo Ball, who turns twenty five this August twenty second,
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: to go to the Tea Wolves, leaving the Charlotte Hornets
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: and Josh Green, a two guard wing who's actually underrated
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: defensive player to go to the Minnesota two Wolves, and
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: the two Wolves trade to the Hornets. Nos Reed, who's
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: a stretch, a stretched big man who's got value, who
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: can make open threes, plus a two thousand and thirty
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: three unprotected first round pick, and also three first round
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: pick swaps and also three second round picks. So, Sean,
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: getting back to our discussion about gel and Brown, your
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: your eyeballs are popping out. Where three first round picks?
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: This is nos Reed, This is LaMelo ball. Yeah see
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: it's again. It's remember Rudy Gobert when the Chance traded him,
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: the Jazz got back five first round picks. Now they
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: didn't use all of them, but they got back for Rudy.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: So this is how. This is how the NBA works.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Also in two thousand and thirty three, showing it might
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: be eight different different changes in the draft system. By then,
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: remember this this new draft is already going to be
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: one that's exactly right. So there's a two year window
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: as far the draft situation, as far as the rules
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: they could, they're gonna reassess it and re evaluate in
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty nine. Sure on this thing is twenty thirty three,
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: I'll protect the first round pick at the that the
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: that the Hornets acquired. So this is how crazy it
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: is long term out Now quickly as far as what
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: happened with the te Wolves. Now, the starting lineup should
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: be Jazz play against the Wolves in the exact same
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: division right now, LaMelo Ball at one, Anthony Edwards at two,
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: All Star at small forward should be Josh Green is
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: a starter. They move over Jed McDaniels as a stretch
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: for Remember now that in the last week or so
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: the two Teaples have traded Julius Randall and Nas Reed
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: in exact same week, and the starting center should be
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: obviously Rudy Gobert so and then remember.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Now they're trying to go a little smaller.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's smaller.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Remember Dante di Vitenzo, who's a very good player, he's
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: out until next April with the torn achille. He's out.
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: He's absolutely out. He will now play all of next season.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: So by getting LaMelo Ball, they got it. Absolutely they
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: got someone that can step in and be a start,
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: you know, all star potential. He's an also a radio
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: inter fact, he's an All Star. But they will help
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: to play with Anthony Edwards and Lockstep. All right, they
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: draft te Wolves just as quickly. They drafted Joshua Jefferson
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: at twenty eight. He's really a good all around player,
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: so he'll come in the game off the bench and
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: give them like a playmaker as a small forward. And
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: they also drafted Isaiah Evans Sean who should have been
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: a first round pick. Everyone that had him in between
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: twenty and twenty five. He drops the thirty three. He
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: gives them a two guard that can shoot. So the
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: t Wolves they've gotten better. They've gotten better by doing this.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: And if you're the Hornets, you're the Hornets. LaMelo Ball
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: sometimes Sean he has a three o'clock in the morning problem.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: As far as driving, Yeah, he's a problem al right.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Heads he likes to go too fast than his fantasy cars.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: The t Wolves are saying, indirectly, well, on our team
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: he mature more and that we'll we'll do a better
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: job of getting him as far as in the straight
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: and path.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: How do you like the idea of LaMelo Ball and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards on the court at the same time, Both
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: guys who are going to want the ball, want to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: take the last shot, want to have the opportunity on
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the inbound play with four seconds left.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: How do you manage that? You do?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: Because LaMelo ball, even though he averaged twenty points a game,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: he knows coming and now that Anthony Edwards is the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: guy at Charlotte, he was the guy. Yeah, so there'll
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: be a slight adjustment. But he also averaged seven point
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: one assist and so in his development and again mention
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: he's only twenty five years old this August, he should
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: make a slight adjustment mentally where he's is a close
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: number two to number one, and that we both fell
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: short in the playoffs so far, and that if we
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: get this right, we can do a lot of serious
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: things in the West. That's gonna be the narrative and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: will it work out? My instincts tell me it's gonna
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: work out. Also, a Rod is there as the owner.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: So if the a Rod being a professional athlete all
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: his life, he has enough juice and mentality via baseball
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: or not to get these guys to sacrifice slightly as
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: a catch where it's slightly their game for the betterment
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: of all. Also, last point, Chris Finch is what tremendous coach,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: vastly underrated Chris Finch, So it does make sense.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Do you like the other moves that you've seen around
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: the NBA that the splash headline, of course is LaMelo ball.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: In that Minnesota trade, you've got some guys resigning. Al
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Horford is going back to the Warriors. Man twenty seasons
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: in the NBA for Al Horford and still kind of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: a hanging question about whether or not the Warriors are
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: going to try to do anything significant, anything special, try
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: to get I don't know, Lebron James on some kind
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: of mid level exception, take a discount to chase a championship.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: But Horford, at age forty, is coming back on a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: two year, fourteen million dollar contract.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: Yes, seven and seven. It makes sense. Really, Al Hope
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: is really won. He's a good guy and he can
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: still play some if not start off the bench. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: so at seven million dollars a year for the next
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: two years, is that he'll He'll be He'll contribute to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: the Warriors. Lebron going to Warriors or probably considering it,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: it does make sense for them.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Can I try to stump you with a trivia question?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: How many NBA players have played twenty seasons?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, see off the top of my head,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: there would be Vince Carter is the most Yes, Robert Parrish, yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: Kareem Abducha bah yeah, your Donnas Haslin, yes, okay, all right,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: you Donas.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: By the way, I totally put Gordie on the spot
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: with this, so he's already just rattling off the list
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: without any kind of pre preparation here.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: So you're you're four for four so far.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, twenty years in the NBA. All right, it would
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: be uh dork New Whiskey, Yes, okay, that's five, all right,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: Uh Kobe Bryant, Yeah, okay, six, this is incredible, all right, six?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: How many's left?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: There's he Will Horford would will be the thirteenth, overall thirteenth. Okay, okay,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: so you got you got six more names?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kevin Willis, Yes, Kevin Willis, you're getting the guys
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: that nobody else is gonna get.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, give me give me a hint. Oh, Lebron James,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Lebron James the obvious, Yeah, all right, with Kobe twice,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: Kevin Garnett is one. Oh, Kevin Gonette's puny. Okay, excuse me,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: you got almost all of them.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: So it's Lebron James, Vince Carter, Chris Paul, Dirk Novinsky,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett, Kevin Willis, Robert Parrish, Kyle Lowry is one
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I definitely.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Would not have gotten. Actually, I coach, Kyle, you got you.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Donnas Haslam, Jamal Crawford, Kobe Bryant, Kareem Abdul.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: Jabbar absolutely and all those guys with the avan Besides
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: talent that basically they kept themselves in shape and the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: big guys ended their career, they showed value as far
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: as just being almost like a defensive type player. So
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: the Robert Parrish, those guys type. When he was younger,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: he was a scoring force. Kevin Willis the same thing also,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: So the bigger you are, the more years you get
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: as far as adjusting your game. So thirteen guys in
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: the NBA and now Al Horford, the big guys, all
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: those guys played the game on the floor. They're all
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: were calling grounded players versus why go airborne? The more
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: times you go airborne in the game, like it's including
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: when Kobe Bryant made that adjustment. So the Michael Jordan,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: if you keep going airborne all the time, there's too
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: many hits in your body up in the air. You're
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: going to crash to the floor and the chances of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: getting hurt are dramatically higher. And the adjusting you make
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: you still go airborne, but not as much to keep
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: yourself as far as what be able to hang in
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: there all those years. So Kyle Lowry played for the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: sety six is he had won a championship with the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: they're trying to wrap this back in twenty nineteen. We
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: had him in Memphis when he was a second year
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: player now director of pro Personnel. We had him there
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: with a young Mike Conley rookie season also, and so
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: good for those guys. So al Hoffen with the Warriors, excellent.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: All right, let's go, let's go shoring with the Lakers stuff.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt you.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: I want to I just want to to jump on
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: what Gordy's saying here with the elevation. And then we
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: don't give the NBA enough credit for how difficult it
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: is to maintain longevity in the NBA. I just looked
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: up how many players in the NHL have played twenty
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: or more seasons. Remember the number for the NBA is
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: thirteen total players have made it twenty seasons or more
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: in the NBA, the NHL, long season, incredibly physical. Seventy
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: three NHL players have played twenty or more seasons. Chelley Elson,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Gordy Hall played twenty six seasons each. That's ridiculous. And
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: then I was like, okay, but hockey guys are Hockey
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: guys are crazy, right? What about Major League Baseball? Well,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: major League Baseball even longer season, a lot less physical,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: let's be honest. One hundred and seventy three Major League
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Baseball players have made it twenty or more seasons. And
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: then the NFL, the one that we always considered to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: be the most strenuous, the most difficult physically, whether that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: true or not. We don't really have a good perspective
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: on how many guys have played more than twenty seasons
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. James, do you think it's higher or
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: lower than the NBA? I ain't lower, Gordy, do you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: think it's higher lower than the NBA?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Higher? More players though, so that could be rehired.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Twenty three NFL guys have gone twenty seasons or more
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: so longevity in the NBA by these numbers, and yes,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: the rosters are smaller, et cetera, et cetera, yes, longevity
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: in the NBA harder than any other Big four professional league.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Just thought i'd point that out. No, I'm glad you did.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: That shows you the ability to mentally stay sharp and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: want to compete, but also your body. You're able to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: train your body and to just adjust everything as far
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: as you're eating habits and sleep, as far as getting
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: a proper sleep, but also understanding your role. And you're
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: almost like an assistant coach somebody or as you get older.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: You're forty years old, like Alhofer right now is a quase.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: He can still play the game, but he's a quase,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: almost like a coach in the locker room. And now
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Jadnis HASLM his last three four years with the Mammy
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: Heat even though he's listed that. And that's Kyle Lee
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: also with the seventy six this year. He hardly played
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: in the game, but he played in practice to help
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: the guys out. So it's hard to do. Remember John
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: Stockton and call him alone here in Utah, John played
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: nineteen years, still top of his game at age forty one,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: and call played here in Utah eighteen years and one
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: year with the Lakers, and Carl was still at the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: top of his game. Those guys could have played even longer,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: but they made a decision to move on.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Moving on.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: Also, LA Lakers now they have an interesting They just
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: signed undrafted five years ago Austin Reeves to a new
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: contract four years, one hundred and eighty five million dollars.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: Let's just think about Austin Reeves saga, undrafted, plays in
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: the G League, gets a two way contract, and then
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: five years later he's now making one hundred and eighty
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: five million total for next four years. It comes to
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: next year he makes forty one point three million, twenty
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: seven to twenty eight, forty four point six million, twenty eight,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: twenty nine, forty seven point nine million, and sewan twenty
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: nine thirty he makes fifty two point two million dollars.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: Five years ago, people thought, is it Austin Reeves or
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: Superman Steve Reeves?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Can you can you imagine, I mean, being a G
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: League player right now and seeing this. You're at the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: end of your rope, You're riding buses, you're flying commercial
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: if you're lucky, and you're just like, I don't think
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I can do this anymore. Two way contract ten days,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: This is torture on me and my family, and then
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: you see a guy that was in your shoes five
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: years ago sign a contract like this.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that'll keep you going.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: Oh very much, And that's a great incentive for players
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: that you've got to be able to The mental focus
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: is so important. Yeah, yes, you have skills, Yes, your
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: your body's really uh sleek as far as your your
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: your fast muscles, et cetera. But the biggest part also
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: is the mental frame how you're able to come to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: fortitude that you need to be successful where there's no.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: One suring for your showing.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: When you're injured and you're doing rehab, you're with some
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: people that are helping you, but when you go home
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: that night or back to your condo or apartment, there's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: very few people there. It's just you and your and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: your mind. And you've got to be able to understand
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: that you got to drive through this, through all the
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: ups and downs, and then when you do get paid,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: you really.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Do appreciate it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: That's what makes also reach type stories also, Sean that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: was Freddie van Fleet few years ago, also exact same thing.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: So what happens, Gordy, what's your list today? My list
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: today is about the draft. All right, this is the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: best NBA draft classes in history. I need to listed three,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: just three. It's the criteria, the best NBA draft classes
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: in history, producing multiple Hall of Famers, MVPs, and franchise cornerstones.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: So hey, every draft is great, Yes it is, Okay,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: I agree, it's great, Okay, but there's some better than others.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: I just cut it off at three. The two thousand
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: and three drafts was incredible. There's four Hall of famers
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: in that draft. One is still playing. That Sean mentioned
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: to me Lebron James. The Lebron was the first pick
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: of the draft. He won four titles so far. Yes,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: he's head to the Hall of famey retires. The number
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: three pick in the draft was Kamelo Anthony, ten time
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: All Star, Hall of Famer. Number four in the draft
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: was Chris Bosh Hall of Famer, two NBA titles. The
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: fifth pick of the draft was Draine Wade three NBA titles.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: That's the two thousand and three. The nineteen ninety six
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: draft Hall of Famers there was five. This is also incredible.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: Number one Allan Iverson, first pick of the draft, one
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: league MVP. Number five Ray Allen, Hall of Famer, two
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: NBA titles, the second greatest shooter of all time behind Steph.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: The third in the draft was Kobe Bryant at number thirteen.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: Seawan thirteen, Kobe Bryant, five NBA titles, number fifteen in
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: the draft, Steve Nash that year MVPs and his the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: fifth Hall of Famers. Sean wasn't even drafted. The only
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: player in the history of basketball not to be drafted
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: to go to Hall of Fame. You know his name,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: Ben Wallace. One NBA title two thousand and four, four
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: time Defensive Player of the Year, Sean. He wasn't invited
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: to the draft party back in nineteen ninety six. That's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: five Hall of Famers.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: That's one of the most impressive things ever in the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: NBA to not be drafted and to make it into
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, because there's this confirmation bias with
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voting.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Right, we've known you were great.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: You really have to prove everybody wrong through the course
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: of a whole career.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Good for Ben Wallace.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Wow, it is the last one.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: This is the greatest class of all time as far
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: as this nineteen eighty four four Hall of Famers and yikes,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: these guys are When I say franchise cornerstones, I'm understating it.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: Michael Jordan number three that year, six NBA titles. Do
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: you want to say the world's greatest player of all time?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: With Lebron close second. Hakim olajuwan At that year was
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: the first pick of the draft. Two NBA titles, Charles
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: Balkley was the fifth player that you had picked one
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: league MVP generational talent, and Sean locally here John stocked
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: in at number sixteen and that draft all time leaders
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: and assist and steals.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: So I'm saying in nineteen.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Eighty four draft was the greatest draft of all time,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: as far as four once in a lifetime players, including
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: the guy that you we consider the greatest player of
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: all time. Thus that's my list of today Hall of famers.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: The greatest draft classes ever. Right.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: But we're saying, Sean, your Dan radio, you and I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: were talking about where six guys exactly right. That's why
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: I did this for Sean, that this draft in twenty twenty,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: everybody's saying it could be generational, and it does involve
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: the Utah Jazz, meaning Darren Peterson. We're gonna see very
• 1:15:08
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  Speaker 2: is struggling to keep up right now, and so the
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  Speaker 2: my house. This is one of the wildest stories in
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: the NFL is prone to giving you some pretty wild stories,
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  Speaker 2: so I shouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a.
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  Speaker 2: This is a soap opera Netflix worthy kind of a situation.
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  Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold of the Detroit Lions is facing multiple
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: felony charges with a maximum sentence of life in prison.
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  Speaker 2: He was arrested yesterday in Tampa, Florida, in connection with
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: a robbery and kidnapping that happened back in early February.
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  Speaker 2: This is a mobland, Gangland Sopranos style episode here, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is a retaliative crime. According to the accusations, there
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: was a targeted armed robbery that took place right after
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  Speaker 2: midnight on February fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Three men were.
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  Speaker 2: Pistol whipped, held at gunpoint, and robbed, according to the police.
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  Speaker 2: Now police say that Terry and Arnold was the primary
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  Speaker 2: conspirator responsible for this. He is accused of coordinating and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: directing the co defendants, the other guys that were arrested
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  Speaker 2: for this, to lure three men to an apartment where
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  Speaker 2: the assault occurred. So Terry and Arnold, to his credit,
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  Speaker 2: he turned himself in after learning of the charges.
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  Speaker 1: He was taken into custody.
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  Speaker 2: There's apparently a place called Hillsborough County in Tampa, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think there were any hills in Tampa. Shows
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  Speaker 2: you what I know. He faces four counts of kidnapping,
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  Speaker 2: four counts of armed robbery, and that, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: potential sentence of life in prison. Let's be honest, there's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: probably not any real risk that he's going to serve
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: life in prison here. Plea deals and all that stuff
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: in the in the world of criminal justice, especially for athletes,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: are very very common.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: He's appearing in court today. And the wrinkle to this,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: the other layer on this onion, is that Terry and
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  Speaker 2: Arnold and a couple of his buddies were staying at
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  Speaker 2: an Airbnb in Largo, Florida that was robbed. That place,
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  Speaker 2: that Airbnb where he was staying was robbed. Terry and Arnold,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: this is this is there, this is their Airbnb that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: they own the property. They owned that the airbnb out
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  Speaker 2: it was robbed by one of their one of the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: people who are staying there. No is that did I
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  Speaker 2: get that part wrong? We got that wrong. He rented
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: the he rented the airbnb.
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  Speaker 1: Ok I got.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we have to decide what version of the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: verb rented, right, because I rent, but usually say out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: He rented this airbnb in Largo, Florida. Okay, he periodically
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  Speaker 2: stayed at it with the six co defendants. Six people
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: have been arrested here, right, and some of his other friends.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds like this is just like a hangout place,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: an Airbnb that he would he would rent out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they they called the police. Terry and Arnold called the
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  Speaker 2: police and said, hey, we got robbed. That was on
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  Speaker 2: February third. He and some of his friends that were
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  Speaker 2: staying at this airbnb called and said, hey, we got
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  Speaker 2: robbed of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars of personal property, phones, cash, jewelry,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And of.
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  Speaker 2: Course, if you've ever had to call the police and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: report something stolen, it is a really hopeless and annoying feeling.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: You're like my motorcycle got stolen, my car got stolen.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: You don't think it's coming back. The police have to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: go do an investigation. They can't just like walk down
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  Speaker 2: the street. Oh, we found it for you, right well,
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  Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold and his friends felt like they got
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the police investigation and figured out exactly who
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  Speaker 2: stole their stuff. So this was a retaliatory thing. They said,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we figured out who did it. Now we're
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: gonna go get them back. And in the process of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: doing that, they lured these men into an apartment.
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  Speaker 1: They had guns with them.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly they did the old pistol whip, which eight seven
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  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. Text me, if
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  Speaker 2: you've ever pistol whipped anything, Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: own guns, A lot of people go to the range
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  Speaker 2: and they shoot guns. Have you ever taken the time
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  Speaker 2: and like grabbed your gun, maybe unloaded a whole unloaded
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  Speaker 2: it and I don't know, just like smack the watermelon
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  Speaker 2: with it. I want to know what it feels like
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  Speaker 2: the pistol whip. These guys apparently know. Then they held
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  Speaker 2: these people at gunpoint, they robbed them, they scared them, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: The victims of that crime alleged that they were not
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: the perpetrators of the crime that Terry and Arnold and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: his friends were mad about. But this was a revenge kidnapping,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: robbery situation. This is the stuff that you find in
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: a scripted Hollywood show or movie. All these guys came
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: for us, they stole our stuff. We found out who
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: it was. We're gonna go find where they're staying. We're
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: gonna get them to come to this apartment whatever, and
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get them back.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: But Nannis and Terry and Arnold is.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Now facing charges and we'll have to figure out, you know,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: whether or not he gets to play this year, whether
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: he can plee this deal down, whether he's involved at all. Again,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: you're innocent until proven guilty. But man, that is a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: that is a story.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's a crazy story.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: And the investigators ruled out the people that they that
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: they that Arnold and his co defendants allegedly robbed and
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: pistol whipped and all that, they ruled them out as
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: big part of the robbery that they were retaliating.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: The cops are like, it wasn't these guys.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Now, not that that would have mattered, Like they still
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: would have been charged with all these things. We're facing
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: these same these same consequences probably, but at least you
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: would have been like, well, I mean you you got
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: your revenge, I guess, but they got the wrong guys.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: And he's risking obviously an NFL career here. He's a
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: really good young cornerback for the Lions. That's h This
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: is a terrible, terrible thing to do otherwise, but this
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: is like he could be thrown away millions of dollars,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: oh see, and and a much longer NFL career and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: maybe a Super Bowl because the Lions are still a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: really good team.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: So Terry narald is he's twenty three years old. I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Let me look up his salary real quick. Look, nobody
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  Speaker 2: wants to be robbed. Being robbed is awful. He's playing
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: currently under a four year, fourteen million dollar fully guaranteed
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: rookie contract, so he's making four million issue year. He
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: had a seven million dollar signing bonus, so he's he's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: on his first contract.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: And this is another reason.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: What have we said a thousand times about Pukaakua with
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: all of his off the field controversies with and by
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: the way, none of it nearly as serious as eight
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: felony charges that carry a sentence possible maximum sentence of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: life in prison. What do we keep saying though about
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the Pukaa coupas of the world and everyone else in
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: that situation. Just stay out of the headlines until you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: get your bag. Please don't mess this thing up. For you,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: for your family, for all these people around you that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: are crashing at the Airbnb. Then let's be honest, you're
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: probably paying for goodness, gracious.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: And this, by the way, is one of the most
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: difficult things for professional athletes. This is very much the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: jah Morant question and situation. So many guys are the
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: only one from their group of friends, the only one
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: from their high school buddies, the only one from their
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: neighborhood that makes something of a professional success, that finds
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: their way into professional athletics. Maybe you got one buddy
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: who's got a pretty stable job. He's making one hundred
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: and grand a year. It doesn't really stack up to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: what you're doing. Maybe you've got a couple of bad
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: egg friends that are working in whatever industries and they
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: cling on to you and the old habits and the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: stuff that probably makes a little bit more sense for
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: their life does not make sense for your life. When
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: you are the high profile and quite frankly super wealthy
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: individual that's the outlier in that group. This is you
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: have to and and by the way, I don't have
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: to deal with this on either end of the spectrum.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't come from a background where I was surrounded
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: by a bunch of people who got involved in this
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: kind of crazy stuff.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: And also I am not successful enough.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: That those people would want to like attach themselves to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: me and drag me back down. But this is a
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: tale as old as time in professional athletics, and it
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: looks like it could be happening again with Terry and Ardom.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Once you're out, get out, stay out. And I know
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: it's perceived as disloyal, and I know that it's hard
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: for people to do and you want to elevate all
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: the folks around you, but if their behavior is such
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: that you know it's not leading to good outcomes for yourself,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Jah Morant, maybe Puuka Nakua needs this conversation.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: You got You're on a rookie deal, which it is
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: great money.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: You're actually set up for life if you just be
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: smart about this seems like if you're not trusting the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: police to do their job and you're going vigilanti justice,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: you're in the wrong business here. Terry and Arnold, we're
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: gonna get some kind of Netflix Untold or thirty for
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: thirty about this at some point, and I will look
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: forward to it. Another Daily Dumb story from yesterday that
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: I just I really thought was hilarious and I want
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we cover it for a second.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Utah is known for being a wild name state.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: People.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of kids, there's a lot of creativity.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of folks that name their kids kind
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  Speaker 2: of like weird and nonsensical spellings, and they come up
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  Speaker 2: with names that don't make really any kind of connection
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  Speaker 2: for other people. But you know what, you're entitled to that.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to name your kid Wan Kedobi, I'm on.
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  Speaker 1: Board with you this one. There's a kid named Kent Staten.
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  Speaker 2: He's from Maple Heights, Ohio. His name is Kent Stateton.
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  Speaker 2: Guess where he committed to, James Ohio State Toledo. Your
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  Speaker 2: name is Kentston. Kent Staten, you have an offer from
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  Speaker 2: Kent State and you commit to Toledo. Hey, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: was an offer he couldn't refuse. You know, you love
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  Speaker 2: the coach that much more than is Utah Stateton.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you have to play for Bronco Menden Hall.
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  Speaker 1: You can't can't go to BYU.
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  Speaker 2: You can't you can't come. You can't go up on
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  Speaker 2: the hill and play for Morgans. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: If your if your name is University of Utah, you
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  Speaker 2: can't go to BYU. If your name is Brigham Young,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go to the University of.
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  Speaker 1: Utah, although that would be particularly who although hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: He did found the University of Utah, so maybe he could,
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  Speaker 2: which is funny because he founded the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 2: but he did not found Brigham Young University. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: if you're if you're if it's twenty twenty six and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: your name is Brigham Young and you you live in Sandy,
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  Speaker 2: and you have offers from both schools.
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  Speaker 1: You can't go to Utah. You have to go to BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Kent stateon going to Toledo is insane. By the way,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: he's a zero star recruit, so there's not like a
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: ton of other options here.
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  Speaker 1: But he did have a bunch of mac offers. Did
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: he have.
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  Speaker 2: He had a Kent State of Yeah. See from his
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, I'm going to Toledo, staying in state,
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  Speaker 2: You know what's wild though, his brother Toledo State and
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  Speaker 2: think he has a brother named Toledo. I want every
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  Speaker 1: They're finished for the day as well.
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  Speaker 2: we got a little overtime here. Do you, James, do
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  Speaker 2: you know if I say, what is Caleb Williams nickname?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what it is?
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  Speaker 2: He just tried to steal He tried by patenting. I
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  Speaker 2: don't though, Do you know what his nickname is? No?
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  Speaker 2: Does anyone at you will Hayes seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: text me if you know. Does Caleb Williams have a nickname?
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  Speaker 2: The most Caleb Williams thing ever, by the way, would
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  Speaker 2: be to give yourself a nickname. Yeah, what what is
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  Speaker 2: the one that he just tried to patent that We're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Iceman Iceman he just tried. He just he just denied.
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  Speaker 2: He was denied the patent. The trade gern with George
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Gervin and his camp were pretty upset about him trying
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: to get that patent. But you know what's so funny
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: about it is like there's redundancy on the Iceman nickname. Here,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: George Gervin, you go old school Chuck. The Iceman. Ladell
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: UFC Hall of Famer has a trademark on nickname. See
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: that one's that one's probably okay, even with Gervin's camp, because.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like that's a lot different.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not he was probably given Ladell was probably given
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  Speaker 2: that nickname first of all, and people probably knew about
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: it as he was going up the ranks in MMA,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: not just right when he wins it, right when he
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: becomes UFC champion, all of a sudden, he's like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the Iceman. That's what it feels like. Kayle Williams was doing.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: That's exactly he calls himself the iceman, and it's like,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: stop trying to make fetch happen? Okay, no one is
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: calling you the iceman. Will also got you got from
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: top Gun. You get the ice man too, probably pretty
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: upset about that. You know what, I think he should
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  Speaker 2: call himself nails because we all know him for his nails.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: There he go, and nails can be construed in a
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  Speaker 2: positive way, that dude's nails, It's all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: It also could has a connotation that you're clutch nails, right,
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  Speaker 2: And that's what the iceman is supposed to be too.
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  Speaker 2: He attempted to trademark iceman and it has been booted out,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: not though, because of George Gervin, not because of top Gun,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: not because of even a trademark possessed by Chuck Ladell.
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  Speaker 2: Guess why the US Patent Office rejected this thing? They
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: just said, rejected. You can't nickname yourself closed. That should
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: be that should be one of the clauses. That one
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: of the things that they can exercise, just be like
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: who gave you the nickname? On the application you have
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: to have like documentation of who gave you the nickname?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: And they put self as an option and if you
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: check self automatic d Q denied, although they didn't they
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: didn't do that for Kobe and Black Mama, But I digress.
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  Speaker 2: The US Patent Office rejected this because there's a nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight trademark by Lacrosse Footwear for insulated boots.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Oh and they're just like.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: The trademark you're applying for is exactly this Lacrosse Footwear trademark.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, So.
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  Speaker 2: Naepel have boot and boot liners that are they're trademarked Iceman.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: That kind of makes sense for cold weather boots. So
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  Speaker 2: here's the problem. Williams had applied for trademarks in all categories,
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  Speaker 2: so including a clothing Oh and chuck the Iceman Ladel
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  Speaker 2: probably doesn't have the brains to be like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: put Iceman on a T shirt right like love the guy.
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  Speaker 2: But he has punched his brain cells out of his ears,
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  Speaker 2: and so I don't know what he applied for. He
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  Speaker 2: was granted his trademark. Kayla Williams wanted trademark for clothing.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted it for athletic bags, water bottles, sporting goods,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: a website, entertainment services in addition to clothing, and the
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  Speaker 2: US Patent Office. Honestly, it really does kind of seem
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  Speaker 2: like there's like, we don't like you, No, you can't
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  Speaker 2: have it. Yeah, because now I'm curious why Ladell Well
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  Speaker 2: he's able to trademark with Iceman. Remember though, this whoever's
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  Speaker 2: in charge of this US Patent office, they are crazy
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: right now because they rejected the athletics.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember this, the Las Vegas Athletics.
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  Speaker 2: They rejected the patents that the major League baseball team
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  Speaker 2: was trying. They're like, no, it's it's too general. You
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  Speaker 2: can't just be called athletics. Anything could be athletics. And
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: they're like, but we have Oakland Athletics. We already owned this,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: and it's like, no athletics, We're talking specifically about baseball
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  Speaker 2: team athletics A we want that, and they're just like nope.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a power trip going on right now.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like it when it affected the Athletics baseball team.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of do like it when it's Kayleb Williams
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  Speaker 2: trying to call himself Iceman and everyone be like, Nope,
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  Speaker 2: you're not Iceman. Same same office too, right that that
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  Speaker 2: rejected Utah YETI.
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  Speaker 1: I would think right because of YETI cooler. That one
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  Speaker 1: actually made sense.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, and we're and I know we're happy with
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: the mammoth. I know you in particular, like we're doing
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: a victory lap there because you knew that meant your
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: your favorite day in the mammoths was gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're excited about how weird would it feel?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: It's like after you name your kids something and then
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: you remember, like your your son, what was the second
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: option for your son's name?
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  Speaker 1: Do you even remember? Yeah, Henry?
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  Speaker 2: Henry would have been cool too, though. Yeah, that's pretty example.
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  Speaker 2: If we have another boy, he's probably gonna be Henry. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna call him Hank, Yeah and Hank yeah exactly. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so that that was actually a really bad example.
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  Speaker 1: Like all of my kids, the second option, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Just like, what if her name was that? That would
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  Speaker 2: be weird to see? Okay, I'll give you I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you mine, okay. Uh So I'm obviously James. I'm named
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  Speaker 2: after my grandpa's sname middle name, but my mom wanted
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: to name me after her favorite uncle and my dad.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: My dad's name Jeffrey, and her uncle's name is Alan,
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  Speaker 2: so I would have been Alan Jeffrey not like Jeffrey
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  Speaker 2: middle name, but they would they said, we would have
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  Speaker 2: called you a j which I am like, Okay, that
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: is so different than how it turned out. If your
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: name was AJ, that doesn't fit. No, James fits AJ,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't fit Jenny now doesn't fit Yenni's like, no.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been weird if we were called him
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  Speaker 1: that because they're the mammoths. So uh.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, someone on the text line, I
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  Speaker 2: credit you eighty one twenty three. Somebody did know that
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  Speaker 2: his nickname was Iceman. I probably remembered this story from
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  Speaker 2: I love the next Texter too, who who said? Is
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  Speaker 1: Shahan, welcome back to the show. How are you sir? Oh,
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  Speaker 8: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to have you on when this saga was more
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: in the thick of things.
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  Speaker 1: Glad we get a chance to talk about it now.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: But what a wild offseason it has been for Texas Tech,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: for Cody Campbell, and especially for Brendan Sowersby, who transferred
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: from Cincinnati assuming to take over the Texas Tech starting
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: quarterback role. Got all caught up with the the gambling stuff.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: The reports put it out there. He admitted to a
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: long pattern of gambling, entered a rehab situation, the litigation,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you. It was this wild
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: roller coaster up and down, and now we've reached sort
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: of a dead end for the Brendan Soresby camp, where
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: he thought, all right, I'm not going to fight this
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: college football battle anymore. I'm going to go participate in
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: the NFL supplemental Draft and I'll take a backdoor into
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: the NFL kind of a half season early, and we'll
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: do what we can there. And then the NFL said, no, thanks,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: We're not going to do the supplemental draft thing this year,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: and it feels like, you know, a very direct punishment
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: aimed specifically at him because he was going to be
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: the guy that would put his name in there. My
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: question for you is, on the college football front, does
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: this reactivate? Does this change anything for Texas Tech or frankly,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: for any other program who might try to renew the
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: fight in favor of Brendan Soorsby.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, to me, the short answer is no. You know,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 8: for one, Sortsby said in his legal filing that he
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: would not have been allowed to play if he had
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 8: come back to Texas Tech. Again, that's sort of the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: sort of legal case, so it's not necessarily a guarantee.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 8: But I think that certainly Texas Tech has moved on
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 8: from this whole situation, and there is sort of the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 8: statement of you know, obviously, at this point, like the
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: transfer portal is not open, he would not have the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 8: ability to go any or else. And even so, like
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: at this moment, he would have to go and file
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: a separate case, get a separate injunction than the one
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: he got before, which you know, certainly I think one
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: is unlikely and two is probably not worth pursuing, so
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 8: you know, again, at this point, we're hearing that towards
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: these attorneys are going to try to petition the NFL
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: Players Association to kind of help him get this trapped underway,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: which again I don't necessarily think is likely. So more
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: likely than not, I think that he'll either sit out
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: this year and not play football really organized at any level.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: There is the possibility, for example, that he could go
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 8: to the junior college level. We saw Hunter Deckers, the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 8: former Iowa state quarterback, do that a couple of years
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: ago after he got embroiled in the gambling investigation. But
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 8: there really aren't a ton of obvious good options for
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: him out there.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: For Texas Tech, I was hyper critical of the choices
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: they made in taking this fight up in the first place.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: In their defense in the messaging, it felt very disingenuous
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: to me. I don't doubt that they truly wanted to
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: help the player and help the kid and overcoming a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: gambling addiction and all that stuff. But approaching this from hey,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: he deserves to play because it's a mental health thing
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: was just, in my opinion, dead wrong. And then they
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: doubled down, and then they tripled down and then they
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: had their own roundtable and they tried to over explain themselves,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: and to me, it was just the biggest pr nightmare
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: I have seen from any Big twelve team, certainly in
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: recent history, and probably from any college football team that
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: I've seen in recent history. Is there going to be
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: any long term negative effects for Texas Tech based on that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: I think probably not.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 8: I look, you look at the Big Twelve right now.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 8: I mean, this has been a league that frankly has
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: been very collegial. The schools have had really good relation
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: relationships since they expanded to sixteen teams and everybody again,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 8: you know, they were just down a Big Twelve meetings
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 8: a couple of weeks ago in DFW and you know,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: again talking to everybody, like everybody seemed pretty happy with
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 8: each other. And I think that now you've created a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 8: situation if you're Texas Tech, where you've turned things to
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 8: fifteen against one. And I think that just frankly, like
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 8: the fifteen are willing to let things go if Texas
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: Tech does. And I think that for Texas Tech, they're
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: probably gonna want to, you know, kind of push this
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 8: behind them as well. Now, again, look this one thing
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 8: that was even talked about while this was all going on,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: is you know, we don't necessarily know what the future
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: of college football and college athletics is going to look like.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: We don't know if we're going to head to a
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: super league, if there's a breakoff, whatever else. But I
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: do think that one thing that you say is whatever
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: is coming next, you probably don't want to make enemies
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: with some of the people who are going to be
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: making that decision. And I think that Texas Tech, through
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: this process on probably made some enemies. We saw Georgia
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: and Nebraska say that we won't schedule you in future gains.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 8: I assume that that's not going to be enforced as
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 8: much as you know what they kind of thought at
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 8: the time. But like again, these are enemies in the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 8: SEC in Big Ten that you probably don't want to
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 8: be making. There are enemies in your own conference that
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: you don't necessarily want to be making. And while again
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think that it's going to be a
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 8: NEX five to tenure thing, I do think that again,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 8: like Texas Tech certainly hurt its relationships with people who
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 8: matter and will matter long term for this university.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: One thing, and I recognize the irony of this because
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: we're coming down on a kid for gambling, and then
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: we're saying, well, the the betting favorites to win the
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Big Twelve are still the Texas Tech Red Raiders. The
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: books haven't really changed their prediction for Texas Tech.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: I know they have a very favorable schedule this year.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: The backup Hammond is going to be ready maybe I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: don't know, three week four, maybe sooner. I think he's
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: an excellent player. But from an actual football perspective, not
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: having Brendan Soresby as an option for them this year,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: does it change the outlook of the season.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: I think that it changes sort of the week to week.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily know that it changes the big goals,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: right because you know, heading into this year, I think
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: that they're over. Under was eleven and a half and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 8: I had them at the over with Soresby in the lineup,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: I think that they're under eleven and a half. But
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: I still think that they're over. You know, they're at
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 8: ten or eleven to at least, right, Like, this is
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 8: still a team that I expect to go through their
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 8: schedule and make the Big Twelve title game. Like you said,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: this is one of the more manageable schedules in the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: Big Twelve, though I will say there are potentially some
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: speed bumps along the way. Will Hammond, like you said,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 8: will probably not be back until at earliest Week three,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: the Big Twelve opener against Houston, and that's arguably going
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 8: to be one of Texas Tech's toughest games, and they're
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 8: going to be playing it on a Friday night after
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 8: a short week because because they play Oregon State in
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: a late game just the Saturday before that. So I
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: do think that there are more losable games on the
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: schedule without you know, a sort of experience at the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: quarterback position, even if I think that they may be
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 8: you know, I think they probably downgraded a little bit
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: from a talent perspective, but they honestly might not have.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 8: I think that Hammond, you know, when we start looking
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: in two or three years, could be just as good
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 8: or better than Sowersby's. But obviously, you know, we're gonna
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 8: have to play through this season. I think that where
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 8: it probably does start to hurt you more is when
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: you start going and looking in the college football playoff.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, this was a team last year that just
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: to be frank after Baron Morton broke his leg. They
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: were just not good at the quarterback position. They couldn't
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: block well for them, and again, you know, you saw
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: all the mistakes that were made in that playoff game.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's just something that they can't afford to
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 8: get away with. And while I think that that Hammond
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 8: has a chance to improve and potentially be a really
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: good player by the time December rules around, you just
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: knew what you were getting from a duel debt perspective
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 8: with Brendan Sorosby, and you're just gonna ask to wait
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: and see whether they're able to create that kind of
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: offense with Will Hammond in the lineup.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: From a Utah fan perspective, it's really interesting because Will
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Hammond hurt Utah a lot more in the game last
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: year than Brendan Sorosby did for Cincinnati. Now it's apples
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: and oranges, and obviously Will Hammond was dealing with a
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: lot more talent around him, with an incredible defense on
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: the other side of things, things that Sworsby didn't have
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: with Cincinnati. But if you just take the quarterback play,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, Wow, Will Hammond is just as good, if
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: not better than Brendan Soorsby based on those two games alone,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm very curious to see how it works out
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: for Texas Tech at the position. And then, of course
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: you got to remember right now the depth question, because
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: if you had Brendan Soorsby as your starter and Hammond
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: coming off and in as your backup, that's a really
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: good room. Now, if you've got a coming off of
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: injury Will Hammond and no stores be there, there there's
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: a depth question. And I don't know anything about the
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: guy backing up Will Hammond who was going to be
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: the backup.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so they've got three quarterbacks in that room outside
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 8: of Hammond, none to be frank have really a whole
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 8: lot to go off of. They brought into transfer Kirk
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 8: Francis from Tulsa who started ten games there, but you know,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 8: just frankly was not very good in those ten games,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: and again it was a tough situation to be thrown into.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: But he is most likely the presumed backup. They felt like,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: you know, heading into the season, this might be one
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: of the better third string quarterbacks in America. You know,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 8: we'll see if he's one of the better backups. They
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 8: also have two underclassmen as well. Lloyd Jones, who is
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: a red shirt freshman, got thrown into action a little
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: bit last year against West Virginia, and then a true
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: freshman coming in Stephen Cannon from the state of Georgia.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: So again, you know, there's talent back there, there's a
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: little bit of experience back there. But like you said,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, we're going to kind of get to see
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: in those first two weeks, especially are they able to
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: get Kirk Francis up to speed and again, what we
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 8: expect that he will get his first two starts at
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: the Big twelve level and it'll be an opportunity for
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: him to prove himself.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: Shahanja Rajah is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: national college football writer and insider over at CBS Sports
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Friend of the Program. We have not spoken since the
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Otro Capital deal with Utah football with Utah Athletics became official,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: the first university to make an official partnership with a
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: private equity firm, and they executed it.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: I guess what about a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: Now, after a long run up and due diligence on
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: both sides and all that stuff, it's now sign sealed
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: and delivered.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: What does it mean for Utah?
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: What are you hearing about this the perspective from someone
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: who sees things from a certainly different angle than we
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: do here.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: In Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's going to be something that a
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: lot of people are paying attention to, right because we've
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: seen a couple of different athletic departments sort of incorporate
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: separately or you know, sort of bring in these private partnerships,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 8: but there really hasn't been a program that's as aggressively
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: and openly partnered with private equity. You know, this is
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 8: going to I think be something that either will be
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: you know, turn into sort of a model for other
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: schools or turn into a cautionary tale. And you know,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 8: it's interesting, right Obviously, the sort of first words that
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 8: came out of it was the restructuring of the athletic
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 8: departments and you know some of the layoffs that might
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 8: be happening there. And the reality is, right like any
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: time that a new i mean essentially you know, sort
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 8: of ownership group comes in, there's always going to be
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 8: disruptions at the beginning. I'll be really curious to see
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: long term again for a for sort of prime that
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 8: business coming in where they look to cut ultimately right,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: because I think it's unquestionably true there is you know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 8: sort of excess and bloat in college athletics. But you
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: know it's going to be interesting to see, you know,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: in their modeling, where do they ultimately see that happening.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 8: So again, somebody was going to be the first to
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: do it. I was a little bit surprised that it
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 8: was Utah first. But but this is going to be
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 8: something that I think a lot of people are paying
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 8: attention to to see how it works.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: The Division one cabinet has stamped and signed and said okay,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: five year, five years to play five the age based
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: eligibility proposal. A lot of people think this is the
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: way to go. What does Shahanji Raja think?
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.
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  Speaker 8: It's kind of become inevitable in a lot of ways.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, when you look at college athletics right now,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 8: one of the greatest issues facing it is sort of
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: the waiver process in a lot of ways, right where
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 8: you have players like Trinidad Chandliss Sue and say I
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: should have gotten a medical waiver and obviously getting that
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 8: sort of decided in core and This makes the process
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: a lot simpler. You will just get a slat out
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: straight up, you know, level of eligibility that's five years total.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 8: And I think that the other thing too is that
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: it kind of helps them some of the issues that
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 8: you're running into with players coming in from overseas as well,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: especially to play college basketball, because there will be a
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 8: clear end date as well that ends essentially on your
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: twenty fourth birthday. So I think it makes sense. I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 8: think that that it's something that again with the current
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 8: state of college athletics, like people have just been suing
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 8: over and over again to try to get more and
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: more years of eligibility. I think simplifying and this whole
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 8: process ultimately will end up being the right thing for everybody.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: I saw some people voice a concern that I hadn't
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: even thought of with this, that you know, the five
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: years start when you enroll in college or it's when
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: you're nineteen, and for some people that could equally it
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: could create a gap year if you were one of
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: these families, like you know, we've seen people reclassify and
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: do all this stuff that wants to manipulate and maximize
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: potential based on your age. I saw a couple of
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: people saying, hey, well, everyone's going to wait until they're
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen to start this clock now, so then they're more
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: physically mature, they have an advantage there. I thought that
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: was kind of silly because most people are trying to
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: maximize now nil deals are coming when you're seventeen. Why
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: would you wait until you're nineteen to start the clock,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know, I also allow for the
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: possibility that I'm just seeing things wrong or I have
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: a blind spot for that. Is that something you think
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: could become a trend or a norm where if you've
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: got five years to play five from the time you
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: turn nineteen, is there advantage to waiting until you're nineteen
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: to start that clock?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting, right, I mean, for one, I
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 8: don't necessarily think that that's different than what's existed in
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 8: the past. I mean, I'll tell you, like, you know,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 8: I'm my high school down in DFW. Like one of
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 8: the better football players who came through there, his parents
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 8: quote unquote red shirted him when he was in middle
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 8: high school, right, so that he would be older when
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 8: he goes in. So I don't think that this is
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 8: necessarily something that's new I think that the bigger thing is,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 8: like it doesn't really impact sort of the start all
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 8: that much. The bigger thing is that it sets an
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 8: end date on it, right, Like it sort of says
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 8: like we know when you're going to finish. I mean,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 8: and look, we've had a version of this in the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 8: past with with gray shirting players as they call it,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 8: right where you have them sit out essentially the fall
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 8: after their senior year and then enroll in the spring
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 8: and they basically don't use that year of eligibility. And
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think that's going to be something that's
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 8: out there impossible for players if they want to. But
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 8: look at the players ultimately who do that, right, it's
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: typically guys who are relatively low end players, guys who
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 8: you know, maybe you know they understand, like we're not
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 8: going to make room for you in this class, but
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 8: maybe we could in the next class. Like, like, I
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 8: think something like that is possible. But like again, if
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 8: you're you know whichever player, right, like you're probably if
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 8: you're I guess, the player who's ready to play soon, like,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 8: you're probably wanting to get on the field as soon
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 8: as you can so you can maximize your earning potential,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 8: Like you say, I mean, the five years is no
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 8: different necessarily. And on top of that, if you're a
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: player who believes that they have legitimate NFL prospects, I mean,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 8: you're trying to get through those three years in the
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 8: first place anyway, right, You're not necessarily worried about trying
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 8: to push forward because if you're twenty four entering the
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 8: NFL Draft, that's potentially a disadvantage compared to coming out
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 8: at twenty one or twenty two. So again, I've heard
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 8: the concern as well, But like, I just don't think
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 8: that this is necessarily a different dynamic than what's exist
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 8: in the past, and I don't necessarily think that the
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 8: incentives are all that great if you feel like you
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 8: have the potential to be a really good NFL caliber
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 8: football player.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: They've put in new rules to stop ghost transfers I
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: think is what they call them, and severe penalties. BYU
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: has a player, a very talented player, who was expelled
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: from BYU because of a significant criminal charge that has
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: since been dropped. He's not, as far as we know,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: going to be allowed to re enroll with BYU, although
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: that is yet to be determined, and there could be
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: a refile of the case. Of course, I'm talking about
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: Parker Kingston, the wide receiver. Are there other Big twelve
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: or other college football options for him outside of provo?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like you said, you know, last year
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 8: we have a similar situation with Jake Redslaff, the quarterback
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: at BYU. He's able to transfer to HU Lane sort
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: of under the table, that pathway, at least at the
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: FBF level is closed. Now, you know, there might there
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: might be some more possibility. You know, I don't know
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: exactly what the rules would be in terms of classifying
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 8: down for example, certainly you know again junior college and
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 8: AI that potentially could be out there. But my understanding
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 8: at least is is no. I mean, you can't enter
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 8: the portal and transfer at this time. And you know
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 8: that's a tough situation, of course for a player who
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 8: at this point has been suspended and dismissed from the team.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 8: You know, of course, it's gonna have a chance to
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 8: go through the process there, the disciplinary process and try
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: to figure out what the solution might be over there.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 8: But at this point, right now, I mean, there isn't
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 8: necessarily a clear pathway for him to get on the
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: field somewhere else?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Have you jumped on the World Cup Soccer bandwagon since
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: it's here in North America.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 8: You know what's funny is I'm actually like, right after
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: this getting set to go to my first match Hans
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 8: Sweden because it's out here in the neighborhood and we
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 8: were thankfully able to get tickets. So I don't know,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 8: you know, I was curious what it was going to
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 8: be like because you know, I like watching soccer, but
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: it's certainly not one of my top sports. I mean,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 8: it has been so electric. We've had it on TV
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: every single day. It feels like, so no, we have
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 8: very much gotten into the festivities of all of it.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: Well, look, if that was the goal with this is
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: to try to get more of the casuals to jump
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: on board, it's working on me, and it sounds like
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: it's working on you. This entire tournament so far has
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: been absolutely incredible and we're not even in the knockout
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: stages yet. But man, I'm like, I'm going to get
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: my US men's national team shirt.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 8: No. I think that's been so great too, is that
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 8: it helps so much when the US team is doing
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 8: something relevant, right and We've gotten to see some stars
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 8: really break out, and you know, Balligan coming through those
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 8: first couple of matches, and Polisic had a really good
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 8: first match. Like I mean, it's just so exciting to
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 8: get to kind of feel a part of it. And
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 8: like you said, you know, obviously they play Turkey a
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 8: tonight and they'll be in the knockout rounds in the
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 8: next couple of weeks, and it looks like they might
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 8: have a pretty favorable slate. So I mean, it's just again,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 8: it's been like you go everywhere, you talk to everybody.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 8: Right now, everybody's asked about the World Cup, and again
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 8: I thought that it would be a cool event, but
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 8: this is, this is exceeding all of my expectations, especially
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 8: you know, for us to get words sw so like
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 8: I've gotten to see the Croatian fans and teams in
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 8: England and all these stand bases walking around. It's been
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 8: a really cool experience.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: Shahan, always great catching up with you. You're going to
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: be down at Big twelve media days. I assume, yes,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: I'll be there all right, and he'll be the best
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: dressed guy in the building. I could almost guarantee that
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: right now. That's probably the next time we'll chat, Shahan.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: I look forward to.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 8: It, looking forward to it. Thanks so much for having me.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: Shahan Jay Rajah of CBS Sports, national college football insider
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: and writer. All Right, I am out on Friday because
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: of PFL duties. If you have a grievance you want
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: to air, I'm going to open the floor for that.
• 2:06:12
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• 2:06:15
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• 2:06:20
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• 2:06:23
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• 2:06:35
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• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: you to get tickets and see the full lineup for
• 2:06:51
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• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: you have agrievance to air this week, do it now.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gone tomorrow for PFL duties in San Diego. We're
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: on ESPN this weekend from sunny San Diego. So get
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: your grievances in here on the text line eight seven
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. This one coming
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: in from forty one to ninety five. I have a
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: grievance to tickets to sporting events priced out for the
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: little guy like me. Look, that's a legitimate grievance to air,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: and it's something that I really thought, like five years
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: ago we had to start figuring out in professional sports,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: maybe even longer than that, more like ten years ago.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: What really brought it in for me was the personal
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: seat licensing fees right where if you have if you're
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: a season ticket holder, you have to pay for your tickets,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: but you also have to pay for the right to
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: buy your tickets.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: I thought that was ridiculous.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: I thought it was something that was going to be
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: a cash grab for brand new stadiums only, and it's
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: become a norm that's absolutely obnoxious. But even even just
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: going to a game, even just logging on to you know,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: the team website, or having to go to the secondary
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: market for a lot of people, like a cheap game
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: nowadays is still several hundred, if not over one thousand
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: dollars for two to four people. If you got a
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: big family taking them to a game. Yikes, salt l
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: like bees, games are expensive if you've got a big
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: family now so I will echo that grievance.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe maybe the right thing to do.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: Is every game ticket, every ticket right the secondary market
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: is always going to be a thing. Put them out
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: in a lottery type system, release the tickets like they
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: did with the World Cup, and then if the teams
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: need to catch you know, an extra one hundred bucks
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: or so on the back end. Then again, I hate
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: the FIFA model, but maybe the FIFA model is the
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: thing that at least allows a chance for the average
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: sports fan, because if you know you're going to be
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: able to like log in, get in the lottery, give
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: yourself a bit of a shot, get them at a
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: reasonable face value, and then if you want to resell them,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: you turn a profit.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: The team still turns a profit, et cetera. I don't know.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: I don't like that because that it punishes the secondary
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: market more. But something has to be done for the
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: entry level sports fan. In my opinion, from Jordan Peter's
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: grievance against my neighbors that water their lawn at five
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: in the afternoon, I I don't like getting into the
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: water battles here because it's become political when I don't
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: think it should be a political issue at all.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: But this one is just like very scient typic.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: Water your lawn when rapid evaporation is least likely. People,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: why are your lot in the cool part of the day, James,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: you have automatic sprinklers at the house.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what time do your sprinklers come on? Middle of
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: the night?
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like the latest your sprinklers should come
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: on is like before eight o'clock. There are there are
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: plenty of people who like to do the morning thing.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: I understand why. I think there's a certain peace of
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: mind when you're awake while the sprinklers are going on
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: because you can monitor there's no geyser. I see where
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: they're hitting. I know why there's like a dry spot
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: here or whatever. So like the early morning people, you're
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: not I'm not you, okay, that's the way. It's okay
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: to periodically check in the when you're up, if you
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: if you're like me and do it, do it middle
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: of the night. Yeah, okay, let's just double check there
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: that the sprinklers are good here.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: That's what we do. By the way.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, Texter, he heard he heard seehan wrong, he said,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: someone telling me what VFW is. It's DFW Dallas Fort Worth. Yeah,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: DFW also Vallas WS. Veterans of Foreign Wars know that.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: So there are two pretty well known acronyms. But we're
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: happy to help you out. Five o'clock watering your lawn
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: probably not the best idea. I'm a late night I'm
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: a ten thirty pm. They come on, I'm usually still
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: awake at that time. I'm like, all right, there you go,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: pick out the windows. No guys are no guys are happening.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: That's my greatest fear. But yeah, you you need to
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: do it when it when the sun's not out pretty much,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: so that it doesn't evaporate. Like you said, it's we
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: we as is well documented. I'm I'm very concerned about water.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: OC is a new dad, so we need to make
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: sure we're being efficient. With our water use as well. Oh,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: we have a grievance against you right now. James, are
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: you ready for this? I'm ready. They First of all,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: Ryland was great meeting you at the engine room the
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: other night. Also, thanks for coming in.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: James.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: You have thousands of songs at your disposal. You play
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: the same eight intro songs that have been for the
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: last three years. Come on, James, you're better than that. James,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you a radio DJ? Yeah, if you want to,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: If you want to listen to eclectic music, there's plenty
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: of other music. There's plenty of other stations. In our
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: music group. I recommend Bob FM, Hank F. We'll do Rylan,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: we will U. We'll mix it up a little bit.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: We'll do like a country day, we'll do a rock
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: and roll day. We'll figure something out. I can refresh,
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: I can refresh the songs. But just so you know,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: neither of us are big music guys, Ocie and I,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: So you're probably gonna get tired of some of the songs.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: I actually get.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: Really like sad at myself, not mad, but just like,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: why don't I listen to more music? Because there are people,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: even people in my life. Like my wife is a
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: big muse music person. Her whole family's very big music people.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: I got close friends that like they'd go around and
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. They go to concerts and things like that.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: I missed somehow the music boat.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I enjoy music.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: I'm even sometimes emotionally moved by music, but music is
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: like way down my list of priorities, and I just
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: I wish it was higher.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll refreshing for you though, Ryle. It was fun.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: I heard it from over the board here during one
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: of the breaks. Heard you stop by the engine room.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: Great to have you stop by and introduce yourself to
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: the guys there. It's wonderful to be able to like
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: have face to face interactions with the listeners because James,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: it's just me and James.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: There's not even a co host here.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: We get Gordy Chase in studio, we get Adrindnian studio,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: we get some you know, like Rob from Valley Plumbing,
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: Heating and Cooling. We'll come in studio occasionally, but like
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: you feel like you're shouting into the void sometimes. So
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: it's always great to see people. I appreciate every stop
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: him by. I have agreements. I never thought I would
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: air a grievance in favor of the Dodgers, but I
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: think this one is agreements in favor, at least indirectly
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: in kind of a weird way of the Dodgers. Are
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: you aware of this Dalton character who's the backup catcher
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: for the Dodgers. Do you know this guy? Have you
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: seen his Have you seen his issues with shoe Hao Tani? Okay,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: this is hilarious.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: Actually, so.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: He's playing a lot right now because of injuries to
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: their regular starter. His name is Dalton Rushing. Will Smith
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: is currently on the injured list. Will Smith is the
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers normal catcher, and Dalton Rushing apparently has this
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: ax to grind with nobody insignificant, just the most important
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: player in all of baseball right now. Dalton Rushing has
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: a problem with shoe Hao Tani, and Joan has to
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: have a problem with Dalton Rushing. This backup catcher has
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: freak outs about everything. When sho Hao Tani wants to
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: challenge a pitch, he argues with sho Hao Tani, what
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: are you doing? You're the backup catcher. Sho Hao Tani
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: is literally the biggest star in baseball. That's not hyperbole,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: that's not me saying he's one of the most important
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: guys in baseball. Shoe Heo Tani right now is quite
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: literally the number one guy in Major League Baseball, and
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: you are the You're the other end of the battery.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: Guess what, It's not fifty to fifty. That battery is
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: ninety nine to one, especially when you're the backup. Also,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: it's it's worked out in a crazy way. So like
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: show hayes Eer, when this guy is catching is nine
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: right now. Nine, So he clearly doesn't like and doesn't
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: get along with him. There's so many hilarious examples video,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness for Twitter. Of like micro expressions, a little
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: back and forth communications between them that obviously are.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: Not going well.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: I don't like to put cassis versions on guys when
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: you don't know a better story, or more a complete story.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: He acts like I'm not accusing him of but he
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: acts very much like someone who is on steroids. He's
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: he's an emotional, outburst kind of guy. He strikes out,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: he breaks a bat, he gets a call he doesn't like,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: he throws a helmet. He's very much acting like someone
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: I mean most of us from my age group. You
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: went to high school with some guy who in high
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: school took steroids, or you were in college and a
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: couple of guys on the team were taking steroids, or
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: for me, I spent you know, fifteen years in an
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: mma Jim after all that stuff, and there are guys
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: there that are taking steroids and this is how they act.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: It's bananas.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: And also it makes sense because he's a backup, and
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: so he doesn't have the crazy money to where he
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to take like the the regular like nineteen eighties,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety steroids, like the trend that makes you a
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: juice head. Guys with more money are now doing the
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: like peptide stuff to doing the bioidentical testosterone replacement stuff
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: monitored by a doctor. So there's a lot less of
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: this behavioral modification. There's a lot less of the MoodSwing.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: I'm worried for this Dalton cat that he's either just
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: a psycho by nature or that he's juicing because choosing
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: Shoho Tani of all people in baseball to get on
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: the wrong side of when he is your teammate and
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: he is the starting pitcher and he is the MVP
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: of your franchise and you are the backup catcher who's
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: pressed into service because of Will Smith's injury. It just
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: feels like one of the dumbest decisions we have seen
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: in all of professional baseball history. So he's going to
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: to Dave Roberts and like, Will Smith's gotta be my
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: guy every time, right, Is that what's happening with this? Well,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: Dave Roberts tries to calm him down all the time. Yeah,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Like there's plenty of examples of him, Like Dave Roberts
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: brings him in after a little outburst. He yelled at
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: show Hey he gave out Tawny like a dirty look
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: on a pass ball, right, which scored a run for
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, which against the Dodgers, by the way, in
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: the score books, is your fault, my guy, It's not.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: If you watch the pitch, it is not a wild pitch. Yeah,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: it's just a pass.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: That's that. Yeah.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's inside, it's definitely a ball. It's
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: so show Hay needs to be giving you a side
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: eye for dropping the ball.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Shoe Hey hustles to cover the plate. He does what
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. The ball trick.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: Actually, it doesn't really trickle. It's pretty high velocity. It
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: rolls into like the dugout. And this dude, instead of
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: just like getting mad at himself, he looks at Otani
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: and he's.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: Just like, what was that? Dude? What are you doing it?
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, the lack of self awareness for a professional
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: athlete in this situation is absolutely hilarious. And I just
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: I air a grievance against people who don't know their
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: lane in general in life, but in sports it's pretty aggravating.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't even want good things for the Dodgers.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Oh see, you are former catcher? Yes? Correct? How many
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: pass balls do you have? So many? Yeah?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: I was a bad I was a bad catcher back stop.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: That was a pretty bad catcher, I think. I mean,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: I loved playing the position. It's way more fun than
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: being out in the field. I love having the relationships
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: with the pitchers. But I was not really great as
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: a defensive catcher. I'll tell you that. Did you throw
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: people out? I probably threw ever like five people out?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: Okay? I was a good hitter.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like I was one of those kids.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: I still am one of those kids. But you know
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: when you're young, and the kid who's just like overconfident
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: and willing to like make a claim for something or
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: to talk to the adults and to like express himself.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: Those kids, when you're young, they get so much more
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: than the other, like the quiet kids.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: I was one of those kids.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it was like, yeah, I want to play catcher,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: and the coach is just like, O, all right, cool.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, I'm not shy about telling my
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: teammates where like the plays it too, you know what
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like, yeah, I was just I was, like
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: I still am, but I was like a massive, massive extrovert.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the real reason why I was
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: made a catcher when I was in fourth grade, and
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: I just stuck with it until I wasn't good enough
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: to play anymore in high school.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: So I got into baseball really late.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: And it's one of the biggest regrets of my of
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: my life is in that, like.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Things you're elementary school life.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: I wish that there wasn't people in my family that
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: grew up playing baseball. We weren't weren't really into watching baseball.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: I got it. I had to get into it myself later,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: like junior high age.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: So that's when I was like, I think, I want
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: to think I want to try playing Little League. I
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: was already twelve, right, so I didn't have any time
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: to like, I didn't really have any chance to be
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: any good at it. But since I was twelve, I
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: was the oldest in the minors of Middle League or
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: of Little League, and so I was either first base
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: or catcher. So they've made so they made me play
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: catcher a couple of times. I don't remember how well
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: I did, other than I did tag like one or
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: two people out at the plate all right, which was cool, okay,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: I But then I I played one more year of
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: baseball Pony League, and.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: I never hit it out of the infield.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh so that's and I played right field the last
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: couple winnings.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: I was that guy. So I just but it's I.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: Feel like I might have had a chance to be
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: a little better than that if if I had played
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: when I was younger.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Like most of the kids my.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: Age before, guys were throwing good, breaking balls.
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  Speaker 1: I was raking at the plate. Man. I was a
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  Speaker 1: good hitter.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as I got to my freshman year of
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  Speaker 2: high school, I played, you know, in Utah. We were
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  Speaker 2: at five aay schools, three years at the actual high school.
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  Speaker 2: Ninth grade is at the middle school still or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But you can play sports as a freshman. I played
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  Speaker 2: baseball as a freshman, and at the tryout, I almost
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  Speaker 2: hit a home run, and that's why I think I
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  Speaker 2: got to I got to play. But then you're going
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  Speaker 2: against guys that are throwing like good breaking balls, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And now guys have little velocity
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  Speaker 2: on their fastballs also, and that's when it became clear
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of a bad catch her, and I
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  Speaker 2: also was losing ground in the hitting realm. So that
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  Speaker 2: was the end of baseball for me. But look, baseball
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  Speaker 2: is great when you're a kid. I still can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: why my parents signed me up for baseball. Baseball is
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  Speaker 2: the most boring game for parents, absolutely, of all the games.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why all of these. It shows the
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  Speaker 2: love that parents really have for their children. If you
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  Speaker 2: suffered through baseball in year after year after year of
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  Speaker 2: Little league action, that's pure love. It finally starts to
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  Speaker 2: get good when they're in high school. Beyond that, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like that is so painful. Yeah, unless you're one
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  Speaker 2: of those parents that likes to yell at umpires and refs.
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  Speaker 1: Then it can be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure tell you what I love most about baseball
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  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, so the league. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it's still this way, but coaches were able
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  Speaker 2: to freeze players where you could like your own kid
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  Speaker 2: got to be on your team if you're the coach,
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  Speaker 2: and then you could freeze players like that kid is
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be on my team. And back then you could
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  Speaker 2: freeze two players. And me and my best friend, I
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: was a catcher, he was a left handed pitcher, so
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  Speaker 2: we would get frozen every year, so we always got
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  Speaker 2: to be teammates. And it was like makes you feel
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool when you're a fourth grader and the coach
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  Speaker 2: is just like you, I absolutely need you guys on
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  Speaker 2: my team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're just like, yeah, sweet, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna freeze you guys. You're like, heck, yeah, dude, what
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  Speaker 2: team are we? We're the Cleveland Indians, sweet, I love that?
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Or the Yankees? Cool, all right, hate that. But I
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  Speaker 2: never got to be I never got to be the
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: twins in the Little League, not even really. Yeah, I
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: was I was Red Sox. The first year, I think
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: my best year in Rockies. The next year, I think
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: my best year. I was the Rangers. I think that
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  Speaker 2: was eighth grade. Shout out to that team. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: to anyone who's on that team. And sorry to John
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  Speaker 2: Bell for trying to run you over when you were
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  Speaker 2: blocking the plate as a catcher and I was trying
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: to steal home. I apologize for bowling you over like
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: we were in the pros. I got ejected from a
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  Speaker 2: game for that. Did you really as an eighth grader?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my.
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  Speaker 2: So the last year I played, I told I told
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  Speaker 2: you I was. I was the worst player on the team.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: But the team went undefeated. So I'm a champion. But
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: it's I can't take any credit for it. But wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is great. So thirty four ninety four says, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: Scott loved the show. Okay, you reminded me.
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  Speaker 1: In the Little League.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy seventy one, I was a pitcher and a catcher.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: We had a left handed catcher's mitt. I haven't ever
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: seen one since.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: Guess what.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: I was a left handed catcher for half of my
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Little league career, and then I got to seventh grade,
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: and my coach is like, there's no such thing as
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: a left handed catcher. You have to be a first
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: basement or you have to be right handed. And I
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'll be right handed. He was like
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: what I'm like, yeah, I can throw right handed. So
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: I became right handed. That's an incredible story. And you
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: can't get grown up size left handed catchersman, but you
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  Speaker 2: can't get it for little kids. So I got one
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  Speaker 1: I love it all right.
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  Speaker 2: Al Horford is coming back for his twentieth NBA season.
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  Speaker 1: Legend. How many guys have played twenty NBA seasons?
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  Speaker 9: Oh man, that's got to be a short list. I
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  Speaker 9: honestly don't know. I'm gonna say five. Maybe it's thirteen, thirteen.
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  Speaker 9: That's more than I thought.
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  Speaker 2: Carls won rank the NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball NFL
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  Speaker 2: for players who have made it twenty seasons or more.
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  Speaker 2: What a good question based on what we know about
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: the league? Yeah, which league has had the most that
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: made it twenty years or more? Which has had the fewest?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the fewest is easy. That's got to
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  Speaker 2: be NFL. Right, Okay, I'll give you your answer when
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: you give me the full order.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to say baseball one, Yes, that's correct. Okay,
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  Speaker 9: I'll go basketball to hockey three, football four.
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  Speaker 2: It is baseball one, hockey two, football three, basketball four.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild to me, isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, as I just proved, there's no way I
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 9: would have guessed that. It feels like the average lifespan
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 9: of an NFL career is like a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, which is true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty three players in NFL history have made it
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: twenty seasons or more.
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  Speaker 9: How many of those players play positions where you get
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 9: hit every single play?
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: Five? Who are they?
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: Jerry Rice, Darryl Green, Jim Markle, and Jackie Slater who
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: were defensive ends, and then Jason Peters who was an
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Oh wait, Marcedes Lewis was a tight end,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: So say what you will about that. Everyone else was
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: a kicker, punter.
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  Speaker 1: Or quarterback.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I would have guessed that either quarterbacks
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  Speaker 9: or kickers the ones making it twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the NHL wildly has said seventy three players make
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: it twenty seasons more. Hockey guys are built different.
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  Speaker 10: Yes they are.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Chellios and Gordi Howe played twenty six seasons each.
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  Speaker 10: I knew that about Gordy Howard did not know that
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  Speaker 10: about Chelios.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Messier played twenty five seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Yaramir Yagar's the Danochara, Joe Thornton, Tim Horton,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: and Alex Delvecchio played twenty four seasons each.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 9: That's ridiculous, absolutely crazy. Yeah, And I mean that's just
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 9: who they are. As you referenced and you know we've
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 9: talked about that with the Mammoth and as far as
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 9: the local interest and how many people have been able
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 9: to get behind the sport. I just continue to believe
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 9: it's it's culture as much as anything else. They haven't
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 9: been here long enough for people that I can dear
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 9: themselves to players.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 10: Although that's starting to happen.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 9: It's just you just respect the way they approach their craft,
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  Speaker 9: and I think that matters in Utah, I really do.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to try to name the thirteen NBA
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  Speaker 2: guys that have played twenty seasons or more?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to put you on the spot.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to do it, well, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: let's see what I can do.
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  Speaker 10: So Lebron's won, yes, Carl's one.
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  Speaker 1: No, Carl didn't play twenty years.
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  Speaker 10: No, Kareem abdul Jabbar is one.
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  Speaker 9: Correct, Obviously, Al Horford now will be on the list, right,
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  Speaker 9: Vince Carter on the list?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, let's see how many of them are recent.
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  Speaker 2: Uh guys that are in your wheelhouse. There's like five more?
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  Speaker 2: Okay more than that, actually, five or six more. Kobe
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  Speaker 2: didn't make it twenty he did. Kobe made it twenty okay, Kobe.
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  Speaker 2: Did Wilt Chamberlain play twenty years?
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  Speaker 1: Wilt Chamberlain is not on the list.
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  Speaker 10: Did Oscar Robertson played twenty years?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 10: Magic didn't, Nope, HIV and stuff. Not to be indelicate.
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  Speaker 10: He could have made it. Hit me with it. I'm struggling.
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  Speaker 2: Lebron James, Vince Carter got those two. Drk Novitzky Dark,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Dark, Kevin Garnet. I should have got kg Kevin Willis.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: Shout out Kevin Well short arms for an NBA big.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Parrish, the Chief of Robert.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of weed in Robert Parrish's life, Chris Paul CP,
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  Speaker 9: I should have got that one.
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  Speaker 1: This one I never would. Kyle Replayed twenty seasons.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's still on Philly's bench. I think
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  Speaker 9: you still play you.
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  Speaker 2: Donnis Haslam twenty seasons, Jamal Crawford twenty seasons.
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  Speaker 1: I should have got you, d Kobe, Kareem Al Horford.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a I mean, there's no way I put
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  Speaker 2: Gordy on the spot with that.
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  Speaker 1: I put you on the spot with that. Today.
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  Speaker 2: Both of you guys got you know, a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: chunk of the list I would have gotten. I would
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  Speaker 2: have gotten Lebron, Vince Carter, uh and probably Kareem and
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  Speaker 2: then been done.
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  Speaker 10: For some reason, I thought I thought Carl played twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: I think has ended up being nineteen.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think John was eighteen. Of course, all
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  Speaker 9: John's here, Carl one year in LA. Yeah, Vince Carter
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  Speaker 9: was the last player to retire. That was my age,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 9: and once Vince retired, I'm like, every NBA player is
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  Speaker 9: now younger than I am.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now we're into it.
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  Speaker 2: We're into a place where a lot of NBA players
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  Speaker 2: could be our children.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely the majority of them at this point, because my
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  Speaker 9: son's now going through this. And it's funny how you
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  Speaker 9: do this when you when you when you age, like,
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 9: I'm the same age as Carter. Now, Connor's like, wait,
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  Speaker 9: wait when be Yama's three years younger than I am.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 10: He's calling through that phase of life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuddy.
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  Speaker 2: It's always been a weird thing for me where I'm
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I root for these guys they're older
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: than me, and then now I'm like, oh, I root
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: for these guys they're younger than me.
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  Speaker 10: That's weird. They're twenty eight years younger than me.
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  Speaker 9: Now that's odd, which is it is very strange, is
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 9: very strange, but yeah, you know, it's interesting now to
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 9: consider moving forward with the Mammoth and what the Jazz
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 9: have now put in place.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 10: And we're going to meet Darren Peterson on Saturday as
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 10: the community.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 9: He's gonna be on the ground, their introductory press conference
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 9: is going to be at noon and reading the reaction
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 9: since the Jazz drafted Darren Peterson, they're firmly on the
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 9: radar of pretty much everybody now, you know, because it's
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 9: been tough. They've been the butt of a lot of jokes,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 9: and honestly, they've deserved it because they've tanked in a
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 9: way that's a little bit more blatant than most, even
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 9: though a lot of teams have been tanking.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 10: But we'll see how it plays out.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 9: This plan has really now fallen into place, and I'll
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 9: never forget certain things as far as the way the
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 9: plan was put in place, namely winning I think thirty
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 9: six games when Victor Wemenyama was available, and you know,
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 9: having some difficulties finding their direction. But if this really
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 9: goes the way that I think it could, we could
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 9: be in for a six to seven year run of
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 9: Jazz basketball that I think is going to be really
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 9: really exciting. Now, will it lead to a title? I
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 9: always cover our teams in the kind of in the
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 9: direction of whether or not you can win a championship.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 9: So many things have to fall into place for you
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 9: to win a title. But eight different champs in the
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 9: last eight years and Milwaukee, Denver right, smaller markets.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 10: Of course, san Antonio.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 9: I think we need to start getting pretty excited about
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 9: what this pro basketball team can be. And now we'll
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 9: see if this kid can coach. I say kid, because
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 9: Will Hardy's also like fifteen years younger than Nina.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, Will, Will Hardy's he's not even forty yet.
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  Speaker 10: Right, No, he's like thirty seven or something.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 9: Mike Conley was older than him and he was Will
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 9: was coaching Mike Conley, and Mike was older than he was.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 9: Sean says, Will Hardy is thirty eight. Thirty eight, Yeah, yeah,
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 9: he's a decade younger than I am. Ridiculous.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: Yikes.
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