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The Hirst Brothers | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #53 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guests are two brothers
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  known as the Hearst Brothers. Their hosts of the Hearst
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  Brothers podcast and they are professional musicians.
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  Hailing all the way from Toronto, Canada, welcome to the
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  podcast. How you doing, guys?
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  Alright thank you so much for having us doing great.
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  Yeah doing great. Can't complain over here.
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  It's my absolute pleasure. It's always lovely to meet like
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  fellow musicians and Yeah, I could probably just talk to you
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  about that all day, to be honest with you we're good.
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  I've got various different questions for you, broken down
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  on your podcast, your music and just a bit about you guys in
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  general. But yeah, I guess let's just
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  jump straight into your podcast now I know the reasons why you
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  do your podcast but I always like to kind of let my guests
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  kind of say in their own words rather than me just putting
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  words in your mouth. So talk to us about your
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  podcast, how it all started for sure.
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  So originally I guess the story starts with music and creating
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  music creating our own music having a blast doing that.
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  We've been doing it for about a year-and-a-half releasing
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  singles and learning everything from A to B on how to make your
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  own music realized really quickly that it's tough to get
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  people to hear what you're making.
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  And the promotion side is not something that we're great at.
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  Nor are we throwing, you know, massive amounts of money or two
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  or do we have the funds to put? Yeah, where it's promoting our
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  own music. I'll just, uh, Bobby.
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  I feel you. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'll just a hobby and all on the side and and we noticed that
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  obviously we're not the only people that are experiencing
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  this problem. So we thought, well, let's do
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  something different. What if we did it a podcast,
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  we've got the gear for it. You know we've got lots of great
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  stories that we want to share and at the same time we can try
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  and expose music from other people who are in a similar
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  position as us. And so that is kind of what
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  conceived the idea of doing the podcast we rate and review three
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  And it musicians songs on each episode and keep track of where
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  they're all at, and then hopefully, if they share amongst
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  their friends and we share amongst our friends, it's a
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  win-win for everybody. So and yeah, we're on episode
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  eight now and having a lot of fun.
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  Yeah. And I think that's one of the
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  best parts of it. For what we're doing is that I'm
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  away at school where a part anyways and we love music
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  regardless and I love listening to new music experiencing new
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  bands. So it's kind of a way for us to
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  chat for an hour, shoot the shit.
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  It for an hour. Listen to some new music and
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  like, it really just works that we'd be doing it anyway.
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  So, yeah, it was kind of one of those, what we may as well
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  record it and start a podcast because why not, it can help
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  bands. It can help other people find
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  new music as well. You know, I think you touched on
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  a very good point here as well because one of the things I
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  think that is really difficult. Both, when you're trying to
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  promote a band or, you know, even just to create a put
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  project in general, is always that issue of kind of you want
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  to always be focusing on your brand.
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  And promoting yourself connecting with others and
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  everything, but primarily putting everything into that.
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  But like a lot of people's mistake is that they don't
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  Network enough, you know. They're so focused on doing
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  their own thing that the, like they're not meeting people, and
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  that's how you get these experiences and it's a
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  no-brainer. Like I was looking at your
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  podcast and like the reasons for why you were doing it, I was
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  like, yeah, this, this this makes sense.
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  I mean, even from like a business standpoint as
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  musicians, you know, you Make connections.
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  Oh, we need to plan out at all for the next 12 months.
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  Oh well, we've got loads of contacts that we've made through
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  this. We'll just hit everyone up and
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  construct something. It's just a no-brainer, I think
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  it's a great idea, but I think you totally nailed it.
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  There too. Is, is thinking about it as a
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  business. And even though this is a hobby
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  for us and something that we enjoy doing and like Mark said,
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  we'd be doing it. Anyways, I have an MBA and I've
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  strong background in business. So every time, Think of an idea,
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  I'm thinking of how does it work logistically?
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  And just like you said, if you spend all of your effort on
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  content and music but you don't have that background to think
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  about how do I Network it. How do I grow it?
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  How do I get it out there? Otherwise, you're making music
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  for yourself, which is okay. I mean part of the reason we do
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  it is just for us but musicians are going to be excited for
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  other people to listen as well. 100, I'd say a lot of them
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  probably all of them are like they they're in it for dead and
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  other people to hear their music changing.
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  One else's life and having those thoughts as well.
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  You know, it's funny you mention that because I kind of just
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  sparked a random memory for me, I remember when I was in my
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  first band years ago, we were just these like clueless
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  teenagers in her like a metal band, just trying to make it in
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  London, right? And I remember something that
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  really stuck a stud stood out to me was different bands attitudes
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  towards you, like, everyone is in the same situation where
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  you're playing to like five people and no one gives a fuck
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  about you and you're just trying to make it right.
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  But at the same time, Like some people's bands would be like
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  really nice to you, even if they've been doing it years, or
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  they've just started their attitude, would be great, right?
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  It never really mattered about the age thing, but some people
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  took themselves way too, seriously.
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  Like, oh no, you can't talk to us.
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  Like, oh, you're not good enough and it's like, excuse me.
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  Last time I checked, we weren't fucking headline in, I don't
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  know. I was gonna say, would stop.
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  That's not even a faster, you know what I mean?
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  Like, yeah. And I think that's in any part
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  of Of life. There's always those people
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  taking it too seriously for where they're at, like no
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  credentials were actually playing the same show right now
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  and you're treating me weird and it's like, all right, you know,
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  that's not a fun experience. And yeah, hopefully people can
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  town that down. It's just like, yeah, I remember
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  hearing, I don't know if you guys have heard of this guy is
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  an Entertainer presenter James Corden, so British guy.
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  Yeah, right. So I mean in You case,
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  interesting with him, I'll try to make the point quick so I
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  don't want to talk about it much but yeah, he sort of was like,
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  beloved for many years as part of various TV shows in the UK
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  and then obviously started doing stuff abroad and in America and
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  has made quite a career for himself but there's all these
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  stories popping up about how he's unprofessional.
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  He treats people, anyone that isn't a celebrity like shit and
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  I feel like in many ways you know that stuff is beginning to
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  haunt him now. It's and it's actually from
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  getting work. That's that's the thing from a
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  business, standpoint it stops you from being able to progress
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  and it's like if you're a businessman regardless of what
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  you do, if there's less opportunities to get work, but
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  that's less opportunities to earn money, less ways to pay the
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  rent, you know that means and right, right from the music as
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  well, you know, you play a show with someone.
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  It goes fantastic. They're great.
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  Guys. You're going to play another
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  show. Who do we want to invite to play
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  in our show? It's Probably the same guys that
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  we had a great night with the last time.
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  Not the guys that are going to treat us like shit because they
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  think they're better than us, you have.
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  Yeah, I've had that situation where we've had.
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  Like I remember one time we were doing like an EP launch for my
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  first band and we were looking for bands like it was our first
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  time like fully doing our own show from the ground up, selling
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  our merch. You know, all this, it was
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  really exciting but we needed bands to support us and we had a
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  band that we'd played with A few times, you know, we were friends
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  with and they were older than us and as soon as we were like, hey
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  would you be on the bill? They're like hell yeah.
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  And they drove down from like wherever the hell they live you
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  know, quite firedance, come play with us and I always thought
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  about that like how it was cool. That, you know, they were
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  bothering with us. Some some teenagers or whatever,
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  but I think it came down to what we've been discussing.
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  Like, you know, you can be, I think you can be professional
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  and take yourself seriously, but also not be a jerk.
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  As is what I've sort of been driving out with this whole
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  thing. Yeah, that well there's there's
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  space for everybody in this industry.
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  I mean you can be as competitive as you want but there is
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  millions and millions of artists who are all really, really good
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  and you're not really going to get any better by stepping on
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  the little guy. So and you never know who's
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  going to blow up. So at the same time like your
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  way back, treating everybody look, little guy blows up and
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  then you're trying to get there and it's like I'm not taking
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  you. I'm not having you open for me.
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  Exactly. I almost feel like it's at This
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  point as well, in given that, you know, we have the internet
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  now and with the way that things are like you want to be doing
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  everything, you can to make your reputation as good as possible.
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  Like, as soon as people start saying, bad stuff about you,
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  that stuff will just stay and people will might might look you
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  up and see that and go. Oh, I don't know what would
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  people like that and then boom before they've even talked to
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  you. You've lost an opportunity so
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  you people sure really be looking at that like very
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  seriously. Yeah it's like having a one star
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  review on Yelp. Nope, not going there for.
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  Wait and yelled at me. No, thanks.
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  Not going back there. Yeah, I actually, on a side
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  note, I came across a really interesting thing recently
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  because I do marketing on a freelance level.
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  That's why I studied it uni abla.
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  And there's this company, I won't say the name.
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  But like, they have like this new rating system where it takes
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  into account, the initial review, and then puts like, you
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  know, social media factors like You're following your activity,
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  all of that stuff, combines it with, like the backline
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  marketing practices, you, you know, put into your website and
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  things like backlinks. And I domain Authority, all that
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  technical jargon and instead of just taking that one review, it
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  puts all of those things into one thing together and
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  essentially makes its own like score based on that.
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  And I thought that was a really good way of making like a more
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  accurate. Score rather than just having
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  one person with their opinion, who might not even be telling
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  the truth as well. Like, yeah, this guy's just a
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  ship poster and he only gives one star reviews well, for, or
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  is a five-star poster and there one star.
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  If ways to go either way, yeah, that makes sense to, you better
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  bring me back to your podcast. What have you actually learned
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  through podcast and so far you said you're eight episodes in.
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  So it's obviously obviously still early days but yeah.
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  What what? What are the key lessons so far?
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  Well obviously the first couple were Rocky, just learning, you
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  know, how to speak in podcaster terms, the gear.
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  I mean, we went through so many technical hiccups where all of a
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  sudden, we've lost our recording or, you know, we used various
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  software. So I think we've got it steady.
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  Now, we've learned the ropes of how our show is going to sound
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  and we don't have nearly as many glitches as we used to, which is
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  nice. I've also learned that there's a
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  lot of really good artists out there.
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  So surprised at the level of the music that were listening to it
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  since it's really incredible and people are submitting to us and
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  and the general premise of the show is we haven't heard the
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  song before it comes on. So we have somebody else who's
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  taking those submissions lining them up into three similar
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  sounding songs but Mark and I have just been shocked.
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  Yeah. Like there's a ton of bands, we
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  did one last night and it was probably one of my favorite
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  songs we've listened to like I downloaded their whole album now
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  and learned to listen to their music.
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  Eric and I think they have, like, 86 followers or something,
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  and it's just like, I'm shocked. It's like, well, I'm not shocked
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  because I kind of have been there and done that with our own
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  bands and our own music and stuff.
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  But you understand we may, you know, make the coolest music
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  video ever. I'm so pumped about it.
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  It's got, like, 200 views on YouTube and it's like, okay,
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  well, but it's unbelievable. Like, and I guess that's kind of
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  what we're trying to do is get those people's name out there.
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  I think. Yeah, I know what you mean,
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  like, years ago before I started studying marketing and all that
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  stuff? Like when I was in that band,
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  for example, you know, we would always struggle with the same
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  thing and I think that the whole business side of things with
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  being in a band and just everything that comes with that
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  is its own thing entirely like you.
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  It's like, and there are different things that work and
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  different strategies. Like, you know, for some people
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  it works just doing a kind of follow on follow kind of
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  standard style of what, not necessarily the unfollowing but
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  like reaching out to people and building connections that way
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  other people. Just, you know, they get lucky,
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  they post stuff online and it starts going viral, it starts
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  picking up attention, obviously, there's the classic style of
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  just literally just playing live and, and building Word of Mouth
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  through that way. But yeah, like, as far as
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  actually just branding yourself, like it's so important specially
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  now. I mean, as you said, there are
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  so many good bands out there and I got to say, like I've had,
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  I've had some various musicians on my show who the same thing.
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  They're not very well known, but I find myself yet.
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  I didn't In my own personal collection.
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  Exactly. Yes.
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  Damn good. This is better than stuff in the
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  charts. Like how is this thing trending
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  but this isn't on the radio. What the hell?
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  Yeah. You know it's I think that's
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  Testament to where the music industry is headed and you know
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  how independent music has a lot more value.
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  And it I think I think back in the day independent music was
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  almost kind of seen as this like dirty ugly word.
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  I got its independence not signed whereas I think now it's
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  it's more intriguing and more You know, like I feel like it's
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  almost like a flip reverse. Like if it's it's manufactured.
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  Chances are. It may be a probably be very
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  polished and everything but it won't necessarily be good music.
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  Yeah. For sure, for sure and gears
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  come a long way to write if we're thinking back, you know,
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  even 20 years. It was really, really difficult
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  to do home recording at home. You either had to have thousands
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  and thousands of dollars to buy the right gear or you're just
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  making really shitty sounding records but nowadays Is I mean
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  you can go buy an Apollo solo for 800 bucks.
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  And you've got Unison preamps. You can buy all the plugins you
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  want online. You can make really, really good
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  sounding records at home, four thousand two thousand dollars.
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  Yeah, yo spot-on. It's gotten a lot easier.
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  Like, I wish you all of these tools existed when I was in my
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  first bank because I've never told this story before.
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  But before we did our first like actual record in a studio Udo.
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  We tried to do it ourselves. This was back in want to say
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  2011 and we had like this you know a backing track recorder is
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  like. Yeah.
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  So of course you know sorry. Yeah.
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  For anyone that doesn't know home, it's basically like a
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  little small piece of Kit where you can record on it playthings
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  backs and it's not really supposed to be used for
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  recording actual stuff. It's more as Like reference for
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  like, when you record a rare for something on drums or whatever.
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  So, it's a reference tool. But here we are trying to use it
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  in this small tiny room to record drums, Guitar vocals.
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  And the most part, I mean, it sounded like trash because we
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  knew nothing about production and, you know, even little
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  things like timing we didn't bother using metronomes all of
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  the stuff that you need to do. Yeah.
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  But as far as the quality was concerned, it wasn't actually as
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  bad as it. It as I thought it would be but
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  if we had the access to the tools that are available now, oh
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  my God. I mean, we could have produced
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  some really good stuff at a much younger age.
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  So yeah, musicians now I think it's always worth doing a bit
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  homework, but time, you know. Yeah, it doesn't cost a lot to
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  sound good. I think it's more about the
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  level of effort, you put into the editing process.
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  And also, just as I say doing things, like, I know, it's a
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  pain in the ass using metronomes, but you have to,
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  like, I Natural time in as a rhythm player and stuff like if
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  I'm in the studio, we use in the fucking metronome like for sure.
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  Yeah. Got it.
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  This part on. What are your podcasting goals
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  for 2020 one. Who for 2021?
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  So we want to continue what we're doing right now is by
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  weekly episodes and we are way ahead of ourselves.
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  So we're lucky enough that we have kind of a bank of episodes
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  built up so we can just slowly being a bit of an idiot here but
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  yeah we Glee. Is that twice a week?
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  Oh no. Every other week every all case,
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  every two weeks. Yeah.
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  Whether my God yeah you need to two episodes per month.
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  Yeah. Every other Monday is our
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  schedule right now. So we want to continue with
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  that. We want to add kind of like
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  special episodes. We're working on something where
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  it's more of an artist Spotlight per se where we do, maybe a
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  20-minute episode. Just focusing on one artist and
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  their discography in their story because we think that'd be neat.
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  And then our last goal is to start a YouTube channel.
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  So we've invested in a little bit more gear where we've got
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  better camera, better angles right now we're together.
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  But typically, we are marks in Dublin and I'm here in Ontario.
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  So that makes it a little trickier but we've got a good
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  amount of content filmed and we're looking to produce some
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  higher quality videos you know 10 minute videos to throw on
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  YouTube. See how we do there and I think
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  along those lines, do I really want to start mixing?
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  Singin like music videos as well, because I think, like,
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  having like, adding YouTube into it brings in a whole nother
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  aspect where you can look at the song.
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  But and the video not that we claim to be like, you know,
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  where it's all amateur. What do you reviewing and
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  reviews of the videos but just the comment on it from like your
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  average consumer standpoint and watch the video and say what did
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  I like about it? What it's simple things like
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  that because I love the music video aspect as well and we've
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  gone back and seen some really cool videos from songs Weaver.
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  You'd as well. So I think touching on those, in
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  the, in the YouTube videos, as well would be cool.
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  I feel like the visual Medium as far as music is kind of like a
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  lost art, in many ways. I mean, it's gone are the days
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  of, you know, music videos on MTV, funny story about MTV.
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  Actually, I read up they're not actually officially known as
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  Music Television anymore. Like because I figured that,
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  okay, they've changed their name to just MTV, right?
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  But like it still stands for that, right?
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  But they actually He changed the company knows, the company name
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  is literally just MTV, but it doesn't stand for anything.
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  But he that stands for nothing and it's officially labeled as
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  just for, you know, reality TV or all that crap, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. But I kind of feel like it's an
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  important point because that's kind of where that died and it's
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  it's slowly coming back here. And now you see certain artists
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  kind of doing like interesting stuff here and there but it is
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  kind of one of those things that it really To be a massive thing.
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  And now it's kind of like it's a bit of intrigue but you know, I
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  think people's heads and More in like being able to just stream
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  music wherever and you know, just having access to that.
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  So I think it's cool that you guys are going for that and also
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  with regards to just multi platforming in general, like I
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  found this as well with with my own stuff.
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  That like you have a different audience on say Instagram,
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  Facebook, YouTube, and people don't always migrate like
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  sometimes people almost Actively refused to do that.
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  So you got to kind of like just make sure your stuff is
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  everywhere on that basis. As well as just being accessible
• 19:48
  in general. So like, you know, you have a
• 19:49
  presence everywhere when people search, you, they find you
• 19:52
  straight away. And I know all of that jazz like
• 19:54
  it's again, with the marketing start.
• 19:57
  It really is all about, that. All comes back.
• 20:00
  Yeah. Full circle.
• 20:02
  Beauty Beauty, beautiful at what am I saying?
• 20:04
  Stumbling my words. Let's move it forward.
• 20:08
  Add to your sort of goals and aspirations overall, for this
• 20:12
  podcast, like what are the key things that you want to achieve
• 20:15
  with this? I'll let you go.
• 20:18
  Oh boy. Yeah, I don't know.
• 20:20
  It's not really something that I've thought about too much at
• 20:23
  this time, because it really is kind of like a hobby, right?
• 20:27
  And it's like, we know there's yet it's fun for us but there's
• 20:31
  potential to, you know, get more involved with it, do put more
• 20:34
  production into it and like, certainly no way down the line.
• 20:38
  Lots of people make a living out of it or a half living and
• 20:41
  half-and-half and like to me that wouldn't be an all-time
• 20:45
  goal. It would just be Be really cool
• 20:47
  to watch it progressed to something where that's an
• 20:50
  option. And I know for like John with
• 20:52
  his business background, certainly has more like of an
• 20:56
  opportunity to involve that into stuff that you work with.
• 20:59
  But I think that would be like that not not a goal.
• 21:02
  But just something that I would love to see come from it where
• 21:04
  it's like we could sit down and John could be like hey I could
• 21:08
  like work part-time and possibly also put more effort into this
• 21:12
  and we could watch it grow to like an even bigger extent.
• 21:15
  Yeah, I agree. I think with anything that we do
• 21:19
  even with just the music with the podcast with videos, we
• 21:23
  always want to get better and that's something that we're
• 21:25
  driving at not even just in music but in life.
• 21:27
  So whatever you do, it's just constantly strive to get better
• 21:30
  at it. So I think as we try and grow
• 21:33
  the channel and become better and better and better and
• 21:35
  provide better content, content, a better experience for
• 21:38
  listeners. Yeah, be really neat.
• 21:40
  One day to be able to say wow, we can do kind of our thing.
• 21:45
  Maybe not be so worried about our careers and even if you
• 21:49
  decide to focus on the careers, it's like just to have that
• 21:52
  thought and be like, you know what?
• 21:54
  That was cool like this is on the background and it's
• 21:56
  something that we love doing people like doing.
• 22:00
  We're helping, you know, kind of independent musicians.
• 22:03
  And I think that that's just like, I think I was saying last
• 22:06
  night, my number one goal, right now would be to have like a
• 22:10
  repeat musician. Someone submit a song, we do a
• 22:13
  podcast on it, review it, and then Then three months later
• 22:16
  that same person. Go.
• 22:17
  Hey, here's my new song. I would love for you to review
• 22:20
  it a second time because then I feel like that's like, instant
• 22:23
  confirmation that somebody likes, what we're doing like one
• 22:26
  band was like I think you guys are doing a good job.
• 22:29
  Please keep reviewing my music. Yeah, cool.
• 22:32
  Awesome. Yeah, we'll see about that.
• 22:35
  I think I think it's always interesting.
• 22:38
  You know. I mean reviewers that the only
• 22:41
  with you I could think of on YouTube is that guy or horse's
• 22:44
  name. The the The most famous One
• 22:47
  Malcolm or her something like this.
• 22:49
  Like his, his his claws. No, no.
• 22:56
  He's going to kill myself and I'll remember this.
• 23:01
  It's like the needle drop or something.
• 23:02
  Is his official YouTube review, thing, God does gonna drive me
• 23:08
  nuts. Not a cockpit.
• 23:11
  What? Everyone to know at home.
• 23:12
  He's bored. He wears glasses.
• 23:14
  He goes in on everyone and everyone knows him coming up
• 23:19
  believe. I don't remember that.
• 23:20
  Anyway, I'll check him. I said, send it to us after when
• 23:24
  you figure it out it's going to drive me nuts.
• 23:27
  I didn't remember that. But the point is like he, he's,
• 23:32
  he has very, he's very honest with his musical opinion.
• 23:35
  Obviously he is a musician himself as well and he's clearly
• 23:38
  got that quite a lot of knowledge in that field.
• 23:40
  Field. But like people do take his
• 23:41
  opinion very seriously and he kind of divides people, you
• 23:46
  know, people who can't kind of go crazy in the comments like
• 23:49
  that highs for the crap, like, you can't believe what he says,
• 23:52
  like it's not true and other people like, no, he's totally
• 23:54
  right, like it's albums, excellent, or bad, or whatever.
• 23:58
  And the point being that, I feel that like these reviews are
• 24:03
  equally as important as just, you know, your own personal
• 24:07
  opinion like before you go in, because it can like kind of
• 24:09
  shaking. Keep your idea of like whether
• 24:11
  or not you want to kind of check this thing out or not.
• 24:14
  Like, for example, that guy reviewed a Green Day album, I
• 24:20
  think the father of all record and he basically said that it
• 24:23
  was just terrible and it was just done as a kind of Fu, to
• 24:27
  their record company because they wanted to get out of their
• 24:29
  contract, right? Which is a terrible reason to
• 24:31
  ever create music, like you should never do that.
• 24:34
  But when you listen to the record, like I sat down as a
• 24:37
  jungler try and give it a chance.
• 24:39
  I'll keep in And what he said, but I'm going to just give it a
• 24:42
  quick chart and I listen to like three songs and I just couldn't
• 24:44
  take it anymore, it was so bad and he was right.
• 24:49
  He was so right. And I feel like that that those
• 24:53
  kind of reviews are very necessary because, you know,
• 24:57
  most of the critics out there music critics, you know it's
• 25:00
  just official companies it's like yeah you know and that's
• 25:03
  that's great and everything but I don't know that you can always
• 25:05
  trust them that what if we're looking at movies, for example,
• 25:08
  I've seen so many Films. Where like the creek spanair and
• 25:12
  then I go see it in this excellent movie and I'm like,
• 25:15
  yeah, yeah, for sure. Look what way is that based on?
• 25:18
  And it's, it is just opinion. But it's like a very specific
• 25:22
  opinion according to like, I guess like an industry
• 25:26
  expectation. Maybe, but I feel like with
• 25:28
  people like yourselves, like, who are doing, you know, just
• 25:31
  genuine honest reviews with, you know, musicians kind of opinion,
• 25:38
  which is different. From a casual listening fan.
• 25:41
  It's like a different opinion. I'm sure you guys can appreciate
• 25:44
  this. Like, when you become a
• 25:45
  musician, you just never see music same way, ever again, you
• 25:50
  like every time you go to a show, you know, it's like
• 25:54
  waiting to go on a football field where it like fully
• 25:57
  dressed in gear but like you can't go and play and you, you
• 26:00
  know, like if you see a I don't know you hear a musician.
• 26:04
  It's like slightly flat you're like oh my God.
• 26:07
  Come on man. Just yeah, come on.
• 26:10
  Up. Come on.
• 26:11
  It's like it's part of a blessing and a curse in a way
• 26:14
  but I think it's very important that guys like yourselves are
• 26:17
  doing that. And yeah, I think there's a lot
• 26:20
  of value in what you're doing and one of the questions I
• 26:24
  wanted to ask. You actually, with regards to
• 26:26
  this is I know that you're obviously looking at and
• 26:30
  reviewing local bands in Canada. But are you sort of thinking of
• 26:34
  branching out maybe, you know, going International where
• 26:37
  there's I know that's kind of a bit crazy to think about but
• 26:39
  like, It is that kind of do you think where this could be headed
• 26:43
  or do you just want to kind of focus it on like local?
• 26:46
  Oh no. No, you're totally right.
• 26:48
  That we are taking International submissions.
• 26:50
  We've had an artist from Barcelona yesterday.
• 26:54
  Last night was Barcelona. We've had someone from the N
• 26:57
  Mark. We've had Dublin mountains in
• 26:59
  the USA as well. Yeah.
• 27:01
  All over the place. Thanks to this whole Tech world
• 27:04
  that we're living in. Yeah, we're getting artists from
• 27:06
  kind of all over the world. Fantastic fantastic.
• 27:10
  I mean, that's really important as well.
• 27:11
  I think having that International showcase because
• 27:14
  that's another thing as well. I again this is what happens
• 27:18
  when we use ish. Ins are in the same room.
• 27:23
  There is so much music in different countries that is just
• 27:26
  not being heard that deserves to be heard like I lived in in a
• 27:30
  foreign country in a country called Estonia in Europe for
• 27:34
  three years and I was blown away by the level of musicians over
• 27:41
  those incredible. It's like how is this not
• 27:43
  internationally recognized? And that truly oh, it wasn't
• 27:45
  just a bias, like I still hold that opinion to this day.
• 27:49
  There's music musicians there, whose music could be used in my
• 27:52
  movies and stuff 100% can sometimes you see bands do it
• 27:56
  like sucrose for example, from Iceland very famously had their
• 28:00
  music used in a the movie Vanilla Sky.
• 28:04
  If you remember that a very old movie from the early 2000s but
• 28:08
  good movie by the way. At ya, like it and the music
• 28:12
  very much Blended in with the theme of the of the actual movie
• 28:17
  and everything and, you know, sort of speaks volumes for how
• 28:20
  important music is. But point, is that music was
• 28:23
  fully in Iceland dish was not in English and became
• 28:27
  internationally recognized won awards, blah, blah blah.
• 28:30
  So, there is a lot to be said for showcasing International
• 28:34
  talent and kind of, you know, just showing that every country
• 28:38
  has something to offer as far Far, as music is concerned.
• 28:42
  Yeah, you're totally right. I don't think we've thought
• 28:44
  about anything that's not in English.
• 28:49
  I'd be hard hard for us to review because one of the
• 28:51
  categories we review, it is, you know, the lyrics and vocals, and
• 28:55
  the vocals, may sound beautiful, but we have no idea what they're
• 28:58
  saying. Might be a lower score on that
• 29:01
  front, but it would be pretty neat to Showcase something like
• 29:03
  that. Yeah, I think well, I don't even
• 29:05
  know if we've had any submissions, like we said, we
• 29:07
  don't we don't review the myself, but I would not be
• 29:09
  against it. You just take out the lyrics
• 29:11
  section. And comment on the vocal
• 29:13
  strictly but I love that stuff. I love International music.
• 29:16
  I think it's really cool. Let's um, let's prove.
• 29:18
  I'm gonna probe your the format of your show a little bit.
• 29:21
  So you said that, you don't do it personally.
• 29:22
  So, like, what, what's the format of these reviews?
• 29:25
  How does it work? What's your process?
• 29:27
  Oh, you're gonna love this. So so the show you're going to
• 29:31
  expect the first 15 to 20 minutes as Mark.
• 29:33
  And I sharing stories talking about funny stuff that we like
• 29:37
  just a random variety of topics and that kind of loosens us up
• 29:41
  and gets us In a good mood. And then from there it goes
• 29:44
  song, 1 2 3. So we basically listen to the
• 29:46
  song, we stop it numerous times throughout the song.
• 29:49
  So we might just stop it at a really cool part, usually will
• 29:52
  do it first thoughts. So after the maybe the first
• 29:54
  verse will stop, it will say, what do you thinking?
• 29:56
  What are you feeling in the first couple?
• 29:57
  30 seconds of the song, kind of critique it, as we go?
• 30:02
  And then at the end, we do What's called the we rated on a
• 30:06
  scale of one to ten biscuits. So we do sound quality, We Do
• 30:13
  lyrics and vocals. And then we do just a general,
• 30:16
  coolness and Vibe like how cool is this song, Would you download
• 30:19
  it? And then out of those three
• 30:20
  categories, both of us are giving one to ten biscuits,
• 30:22
  those all get tossed into a simulator kind of pops out an
• 30:27
  overall average between the two or three of us that are on the
• 30:29
  show and that's your overall Rank and then that goes on our
• 30:33
  website. We keep a leaderboard with
• 30:35
  everyone that we've we've reviewed at how many biscuits
• 30:37
  they received on the And yeah, that's kind of the format that
• 30:42
  we're going with. And is your podcast Audio Only
• 30:47
  or is it video to like was supposed to start right now?
• 30:50
  It's right now, it's Audio Only on, you know, apple and Spotify.
• 30:55
  And I think it's on a bunch of other smaller like anchor and
• 30:58
  stuff like that, but we have video for all of it.
• 31:02
  We just haven't done any long-form video production yet
• 31:07
  so we're expecting in the new year to be able to Hopefully put
• 31:10
  full episodes up on YouTube with the video.
• 31:14
  I don't know if we'll go back and do the old ones because it
• 31:16
  was the first, like I said, there was a lot of hiccups.
• 31:18
  The format we were doing, we're recording it through a different
• 31:21
  software and then we were recording the video on Zoom, but
• 31:24
  there was no audio there. So you're trying to line it up
• 31:26
  based on lips. So, really difficult to produce
• 31:30
  videos like that, but now we've got that kind of sorted out, so
• 31:33
  we could do full videos, but what we have been doing is just
• 31:37
  pulling together Clips. So, Thing was funny, or usually
• 31:40
  for every band will have one or two clips with some of their
• 31:43
  music and some of the feedback in that gets posted on
• 31:45
  Instagram. We've been getting some good
• 31:47
  feedback there, just based on the content that we've been
• 31:50
  throwing up. Excellent.
• 31:52
  Yeah, I mean I got I must say of all the music reviews I've kind
• 31:56
  of been looking at the doing stuff on, you know, YouTube,
• 32:01
  twitch, whatever, like they're there is a lot to be said for
• 32:05
  seeing the sort of physical reaction seeing like, you know,
• 32:08
  for example, Sometimes, it's what you don't say in your face
• 32:12
  that says everything. So I think it would be good for
• 32:15
  your viewers and listeners to be able to see that in the future.
• 32:18
  So therefore definite and on the, did you think you'll ever
• 32:22
  do? Yeah.
• 32:24
  Live live versions or like a twitch show or something like
• 32:27
  that streaming. Show that honestly haven't
• 32:33
  thought about that yet. That would be cool.
• 32:36
  Yeah, we gainst it may be like like In one finale live stream.
• 32:41
  Yeah. Something like that.
• 32:43
  It'd be something to think about for sure.
• 32:45
  Well, I'll have to dive into that rabbit hole later.
• 32:47
  Start learning more about that I've no experience with twitch
• 32:50
  or live streams. Technically no idea how it works
• 32:53
  other than, maybe just using a webcam like this.
• 32:57
  It can be, it can literally can be, I mean, it's pretty
• 33:00
  straightforward to set up like a, you know, having like one
• 33:04
  screen. Is you guys in another screen is
• 33:06
  like seeing the song of the video or whatever.
• 33:09
  The case may be, but I think as you guys grow and everything and
• 33:12
  you grow a naughty like, obviously you can grow an
• 33:14
  audience through that but like it will, it will get to a point
• 33:16
  where people will want to know like what do you guys think
• 33:19
  about you know this record or whatever.
• 33:21
  Yeah, I think that it's in. It's just an important element
• 33:24
  and plus yes fun. You know when I when I started
• 33:27
  to Twitch streaming I really didn't know what to expect but I
• 33:31
  think the interactivity is is like a kind of an added bonus
• 33:36
  and just makes the experience a lot more fun.
• 33:39
  You know what I mean? Because you can kind of like
• 33:41
  React to what people are saying and see, like, you know, is it
• 33:45
  good? Is it bad?
• 33:46
  What do people think? Is there anything that we
• 33:48
  haven't considered? You know, it's a way of learning
• 33:50
  from people? Yes.
• 33:51
  Only bonus is, yeah, for sure like, live feedback and being
• 33:55
  able to like adapt to that instantly.
• 33:58
  Yeah. Well I get that out.
• 34:00
  Who your sources of oh yeah I know.
• 34:02
  I know I it's no eyes. My pleasure, who your sources of
• 34:06
  inspiration for podcasting Teeth way questions on this.
• 34:14
  Yeah, you gonna catch us off-guard, I'm Barry.
• 34:19
  So I used to listen to a lot of podcasts when I was commuting a
• 34:23
  lot. Yeah, this, you know, I've been
• 34:26
  working for from home for the last nine months or 10 months,
• 34:28
  so I found that I've been listening to a lot less podcast,
• 34:32
  but I listened to the typical, you know, Joe Rogan Experience
• 34:35
  some Radiolab stuff, Bill Burr. Kind of like the comedy side of
• 34:40
  it. And that's what got me into
• 34:42
  podcasting in the first place. Now, I've started and I'm more
• 34:47
  excited for when I'll start commuting or traveling again,
• 34:50
  because I listen to a lot more. But now, I've started reaching
• 34:52
  out and looking into many different smaller podcasts.
• 34:56
  Like, we've got a friend that had us honor his once.
• 34:59
  Will, you know? I'll put yours on my list too.
• 35:02
  And there's all sorts of just different smaller podcast that
• 35:04
  I'd love to dive into. Once I have time, it's I think
• 35:08
  about a lot because you know, I've reached like 50 episodes
• 35:12
  now my podcast and I wonder like, who the people that listen
• 35:16
  to this? Does anyone listen?
• 35:19
  Like, I know there's people listening, their numbers are
• 35:21
  slowly. Increasing, obviously, I know, I
• 35:23
  know people that I know that listen to it and tell me that
• 35:26
  they do. But there's a lot of people, you
• 35:29
  know, random strangers that I don't know.
• 35:30
  And they regularly listening and I'm thinking about it because
• 35:33
  I'm obviously the world is kind of screwed from covid right now,
• 35:36
  and many people are at home. We're out of work, so that does
• 35:39
  affect that. But I feel like when things
• 35:41
  start to return to normal, you're going to see a massive
• 35:44
  boost in podcasting. And I think another thing as
• 35:47
  well with podcasting is that a lot of people kind of quit
• 35:51
  early, you know, I see everyone and their mums setting up
• 35:54
  podcasts these days and I'm like, okay come back to me when
• 35:58
  you know, you've reached like your first 30 and then we'll
• 36:02
  talk because it's, you know, it's what like for example, I
• 36:06
  have a friend. Shout out to Buck my Call who
• 36:10
  set up a podcast and he's always been, he's a good friend of mine
• 36:15
  online and he's always sharing my stuff and whatnot, and
• 36:18
  listening to her. And I said to him, like just
• 36:20
  jokingly as like, once you start your podcast, you will not have
• 36:24
  time to listen to my stuff, I guarantee it and then when we
• 36:28
  finally got a chance to chat when he sort of took a break
• 36:30
  from his podcast, he said that exact thing he was like, yeah I
• 36:33
  just I never have time and it's like you don't realize like how
• 36:36
  much goes into Podcasting and behind the scenes that you think
• 36:41
  like, oh, it must be easy. You just sit down talk for an
• 36:44
  hour or two and then you're done.
• 36:45
  But no, like this example, this, this is all the notes I have
• 36:50
  just for this podcast where I had to sit down and think like,
• 36:54
  what's logical, what would be interesting?
• 36:57
  How does it flow? You know, there's things that
• 37:00
  you can't anticipate like if your guests, for example,
• 37:02
  starts, talking about something, that's the head of your
• 37:04
  schedule. You can't just be like, oh, hey,
• 37:06
  can you, can you just like, yeah.
• 37:08
  Okay. Get to that later.
• 37:09
  Like you gotta go with the flow for sure, for sure.
• 37:13
  I think that it helps that were similar to us.
• 37:16
  You are like an unscripted in a sense podcast so you're not one
• 37:21
  of those people who's writing out an entire story.
• 37:23
  Like, can you imagine trying to put together Dan Carlin?
• 37:26
  Have you ever heard of Dan Carlin?
• 37:28
  Not a concert. Oh, you have to check this guy
• 37:30
  out so he has a podcast called Hardcore History.
• 37:33
  I think they're not on Spotify or iTunes.
• 37:36
  You have to get it through his website.
• 37:38
  Some of them are free but some of them are paid but he's a
• 37:43
  history expert and puts in. I've heard like 40 hours of work
• 37:49
  into one episode, but he is such a good Storyteller.
• 37:53
  The history is all extremely accurate and obviously took a
• 37:57
  lot of research, but just an amazing high production show.
• 38:01
  Highly recommend that, I'm not even a huge history guy and I
• 38:05
  listened to the whole Wrath of the con series about Kangas, On
• 38:08
  and all this stuff was fascinating.
• 38:10
  So cool. But yeah, that would take so
• 38:13
  much work to do something like that.
• 38:16
  I mean, obviously this this is nowhere near the same thing but
• 38:20
  like I remember when I started doing sort of because I also do
• 38:25
  episodes that aren't just interviews, they're like topics
• 38:27
  where I either I or I have my co-host Dutch deals that, you
• 38:31
  know, we talked at length about a topic and I really have to
• 38:35
  approach it in a different way. I have to look at like different
• 38:38
  Angles like how can this flat? Like I did an episode on
• 38:41
  University for example and recording at one time without
• 38:46
  much of a plan and this bear. Mine is like an hour and a half
• 38:50
  me talking and I was like this is trash and I deleted it.
• 38:53
  Hey Batter a week later because I'm like I'm sure as hell not
• 38:55
  doing it again right after. I've just done it, came back to
• 38:58
  it with a much more sort of planned out plan if that's gonna
• 39:04
  tell ya and it came out a lot better.
• 39:07
  And I've said this The podcast before.
• 39:09
  So sorry guys for saying this again, but I think it really
• 39:13
  does kind of go to show that like the level of effort that
• 39:16
  you put into something will ultimately determine how well
• 39:20
  that content comes out and you're right.
• 39:22
  That being a good Storyteller is is really important part of
• 39:26
  that. Like I feel like for interviews,
• 39:29
  obviously, as you said mine is more of a kind of a casual kind
• 39:32
  of approach but every guest is different, sometimes it will be
• 39:36
  as just a straightforward interview.
• 39:38
  And I'm always kind of a little bit on edge, every time I have a
• 39:41
  new guest on because I just don't know how they're going to
• 39:43
  be. Like, maybe it's around
• 39:45
  conversation, maybe it's not, you know, and it's my job to
• 39:50
  kind of make sure it goes well and that can be tricky at times
• 39:53
  but more than yeah. Yeah, I think is long as you you
• 39:57
  can kind of always look at yourself and kind of say, okay,
• 40:01
  I can tweak this, I can work on this and you kind of adjust to
• 40:06
  your guests. Make sure you're always Stand to
• 40:08
  your guests and as you say it said before, having like a some
• 40:12
  sort of a narrative or flow with your work really helps.
• 40:17
  Yeah. I mean preparation is definitely
• 40:19
  a huge part of that but don't sell yourself short, either.
• 40:22
  I mean, you have obviously the skill to do that.
• 40:24
  You have to be able to hold a good conversation, be an
• 40:27
  interesting person, adapt to who you're speaking to and and
• 40:30
  obviously you've got that nailed.
• 40:32
  So yeah, but you can totally tells stop it.
• 40:40
  But you can totally tell, like I listen to a lot of podcasts for
• 40:44
  like educational purposes schooler.
• 40:45
  I think it's awesome for traveling and taking time to
• 40:48
  study alert while you're doing it.
• 40:50
  And I've gone through like maybe five or six and and some of them
• 40:53
  it's like oh this person's not prepping their just sitting down
• 40:56
  and talking about a topic and and in the flow they get off
• 41:00
  topic there. There was oh I forgot to say
• 41:02
  that. I should jump back and say that
• 41:03
  and then you're like this is really unorganized like it's
• 41:05
  like a terrible lecture and then you have the people Better like
• 41:09
  you clearly put in the time to make this flow properly and and
• 41:13
  those are the ones that you're going to listen to because it's
• 41:15
  great like people you're getting something out of it and whether
• 41:17
  it's school and learning or music or education or anything
• 41:21
  like to have that plan. Yeah.
• 41:22
  You you have to have it. You have to have a plan for
• 41:25
  sure. I think that was the lesson.
• 41:26
  I learned this year. I can't remember if it was
• 41:28
  through my Vlogs or through the podcast, but yeah, you're out
• 41:31
  your bag on with that. It's the thing that I always pay
• 41:34
  attention to is the key thread of the of like, what's being
• 41:38
  Discussed that one point and making sure to always try and
• 41:42
  steer back to that like, I'm a big fan of professional
• 41:44
  wrestling, right? And I always kind of look at it,
• 41:47
  like think of it, like I said, wrestling promo you hate how you
• 41:51
  hate scripted promos. But you know that every promo
• 41:55
  has to have some bullet points and has to have a key thread.
• 41:59
  What are you trying to say? What's the topic?
• 42:02
  You got to come back to that. Because, as you say, if you got
• 42:04
  often too much of a tangent, I mean, your audience, you know,
• 42:07
  will kind of Blige and we'll let you do that.
• 42:10
  But after a while it's like, oh what he was talking about that
• 42:13
  like 25 minutes ago or whatever? Like, come on.
• 42:16
  Yeah, like that quickly. But at the same time on the flip
• 42:21
  side. Like if you got a really good
• 42:23
  conversation going and in you just interrupt your guests and
• 42:26
  just start talking about like oh hey I know we were talking about
• 42:29
  this but let's get back to you know the main event like yeah
• 42:35
  and ours can get sometimes can get like that to where we.
• 42:38
  We go off on tangents or and we a lot that space at the
• 42:42
  beginning of the show, for just whatever, just random this and
• 42:46
  what ends up happening. Most people probably wouldn't
• 42:48
  know this but it ends up being sometimes an hour of us talking
• 42:53
  about. Who knows what?
• 42:54
  And then it's my job then to go in and edit that down.
• 42:58
  Oh no I didn't see. Are you public restroom?
• 43:01
  Like we've know I we what we do. I don't want to go off for an
• 43:06
  hour about something, random. We've got three songs.
• 43:08
  View. So, you know, but if we talked
• 43:10
  for an hour, I might try and cut that down or I might think,
• 43:13
  okay, this piece was was really funny.
• 43:15
  Let's keep that. But lets, you know, we went
• 43:18
  we've had a few discussions that we've basically on while we're
• 43:21
  recording gone. Yeah, we can't use this.
• 43:24
  Yeah, totally. Yeah.
• 43:25
  Like, and I think what women were when we were first
• 43:28
  starting, we were kind of predicting shows to be between
• 43:31
  like 40 to 50 minutes and the first one, like an hour and a
• 43:34
  half long, and it was like, okay, so we're going to be able
• 43:36
  to talk for way longer than we thought.
• 43:38
  Thought 100%, we're on tangents and then it's like, yeah, okay,
• 43:41
  none of this is usable. Like someone's going to judge us
• 43:43
  for this and in not a good way, so we take that out.
• 43:46
  Not that we're saying anything too bad but you know, I think
• 43:49
  that when you're putting something out there for social
• 43:51
  media and, you know, you have careers and you have to
• 43:54
  certainly be conscious of what you're saying and that's
• 43:58
  something that's important to us, like, to not offend anyone
• 44:01
  and yeah, yeah. And it's hard when you get on
• 44:03
  tangents and you're making jokes and you're not being
• 44:05
  inappropriate per se, but it's like, we want to make sure that
• 44:08
  Everyone's happy with the content.
• 44:10
  I was like, oh so it's like Comics though.
• 44:13
  It's like what Comics do you write?
• 44:14
  So they are perpetually. Pushing the boundaries a little
• 44:18
  bit to try and get laughs and get a reaction out of whoever
• 44:21
  you're chatting with and that can be taken out of context
• 44:24
  really easily. So we might just keep pushing
• 44:27
  each other. And then one of us, says
• 44:28
  something that's totally ridiculous.
• 44:29
  And we realized like, oh yeah, this probably shouldn't be on
• 44:32
  the show. Yes.
• 44:39
  We have no like at least Comics have their like fan Basin and
• 44:42
  their celebrity to kind of be like, oh wow, that was bold.
• 44:46
  And then everyone laughs it goes.
• 44:47
  Yeah. That's just them.
• 44:48
  But they're like, you know, 8 episode they're going to be
• 44:50
  like, who the fuck are the hearse brothers?
• 44:52
  And these guys are dicks. That's an interesting that
• 44:56
  that's actually. Yeah.
• 44:58
  Like how celebrities kind of get a free pass for a lot of stuff?
• 45:01
  I mean, obviously, you have cancer culture now, which yeah,
• 45:04
  merging. But yeah, it takes a lot for
• 45:06
  people. Yeah, it is.
• 45:08
  Jesse has certain people get forgiven but then other people
• 45:11
  don't. Like I've always found that
• 45:13
  Dynamic weird you know. It's like yeah whistling.
• 45:16
  Wow. And like comedian and and not
• 45:20
  yeah not supporting it all but like a comedian can make a
• 45:22
  totally racist joke and everyone laughs and it's like okay that's
• 45:26
  funny and then it's like but like a podcaster, making a
• 45:29
  racist joke. It's like, well that's not
• 45:31
  acceptable on this topic actually.
• 45:33
  Just because it's topical the the Scottish comedian, Frankie
• 45:37
  boil. Recently sort of had like a pop
• 45:40
  at Ricky Gervais Stephen Merchant going too far with
• 45:43
  Jokes, which I just thought in general, was hilarious.
• 45:45
  Because if you know anything about Frankie boil, you know
• 45:47
  what his humor is like, right. And I was so happy with Twitter
• 45:52
  because a lot of the time when I look at Twitter comments it's
• 45:54
  like you never know really know like what the public opinion is.
• 45:57
  But everyone was like hanging about you were making jokes you
• 46:01
  know like 10 years ago on this sort of stuff like you got say
• 46:06
  that to him like come on what that's what.
• 46:08
  Asia's vest, come on. Like, yeah.
• 46:12
  And that's what comedy is all about.
• 46:13
  It's not, there's no truth to what you're saying.
• 46:16
  It's just, you're just gonna make the other person.
• 46:18
  Laugh. Yeah, there shouldn't be when
• 46:19
  there is, it's a different story.
• 46:21
  But yeah, a lot of times we're just trying to get each other
• 46:25
  going and sometimes it goes to ridiculous places but it's
• 46:28
  usually not inappropriate. It's just like, I don't think
• 46:30
  people want to hear that. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:33
  I will say that one of the things you said like about
• 46:35
  obviously, like sort of sticking to like a time limit like or
• 46:37
  maybe it's going to be A 45 minutes or whatever.
• 46:39
  Like it's taking me a while to figure out kind of how long and
• 46:42
  I don't truthfully have a limit. I just look at like, yeah.
• 46:46
  How long my guest has and how the conversation is going.
• 46:50
  And, you know, my podcasts have ranged anything from 30 minutes
• 46:53
  up to three hours in some cases. But I will say that, you know,
• 46:57
  like I've experienced this through going on other people
• 47:00
  shows that it really sucks sometimes when someone has a
• 47:03
  very like strict schedule, like, okay, it's only half an hour,
• 47:07
  like I was on someone. Of course the other day and
• 47:11
  we're having a really good time. I was really enjoying the
• 47:12
  conversation and then it was like half an hour and he's like,
• 47:14
  okay we're going to call a rap and I'm like, really I feel like
• 47:17
  we just got started. Like what?
• 47:18
  Yeah, but everyone in that friend on there, you know?
• 47:21
  And that goes, I feel like with that restraint do you're gonna
• 47:24
  get to the point where you're on a good talk and then you have to
• 47:28
  quickly like rain and be like, okay, so I have to ask you this
• 47:30
  question because I don't want to go over my 30 limit minute.
• 47:33
  Yeah, my yeah. My my 30 minute limit.
• 47:35
  Exactly. Look, it's better to just let it
• 47:37
  go. Let it happen.
• 47:38
  Happen and then figure out what to do with it afterwards.
• 47:41
  You know, mean like to what we were.
• 47:44
  You were bringing up earlier, but it's not just that easy, you
• 47:47
  don't just record a conversation and throw it out there.
• 47:50
  You spend hours in post editing and then, you know, even
• 47:55
  thinking about what I was saying that we want to do next with
• 47:57
  adding video to it. Well, it's okay.
• 47:59
  So if I take an hour and 30 minute long recording and then
• 48:02
  cut out bits and pieces along the way and turn it down to
• 48:05
  night or whatever, turn it down to an hour.
• 48:08
  Now, I've got to cut the video to to match that stuff to do
• 48:13
  that. Yeah, maybe there's a really
• 48:14
  easy way to do it, where you can edit the video and the audio all
• 48:17
  in one take. But I've not yet figured that
• 48:19
  out. So that would take me hours to
• 48:21
  get that done. Yeah.
• 48:23
  Hey editing, personally, it's the bane of my life and I've
• 48:26
  said in, like I said, on a stream that I did the other day,
• 48:28
  like some one of my friends online was going, oh, you know,
• 48:32
  you should get into editing or help your viewing and I'm like,
• 48:34
  look. When I have money I'll pay
• 48:37
  someone to be my editor. I'm not doing that shit.
• 48:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:42
  Luckily for the podcast because I have two, it's easy to cut
• 48:45
  clips and that but like yeah, she say, you're getting creative
• 48:47
  with stuff and the more time you put into it, it's just yeah it's
• 48:53
  it's own. It's it's a whole kind of don't
• 48:58
  say industry but like it kind of is in a way like just editing in
• 49:01
  general. Yeah, there's a team of people
• 49:04
  that work behind anything. Thing we watch on TV, right
• 49:07
  jion. You know, the big channels on
• 49:09
  YouTube. Those you know the Dude Perfect
• 49:12
  guys. They're not sitting there for
• 49:13
  six hours editing those videos. After they've got a team of
• 49:16
  people who are doing that, who are skilled at it.
• 49:19
  So yeah being able to do a little bit of it yourself.
• 49:21
  I think is valuable but goes back to the what we were saying
• 49:25
  earlier. Like know your strengths if
• 49:27
  you're if you're really good at podcasting and creating content,
• 49:30
  put your effort into that and then eventually you can pay
• 49:32
  somebody else to take care of the the nitty-gritty stuff that
• 49:35
  you don't want to do. This is something I can't wait
• 49:37
  for the day that I can have it to dog for real real because
• 49:41
  I'll be able to do so much more because for me for sure, easy
• 49:44
  par, you do research that I would happily just do my
• 49:48
  research, do the podcast. And be like, okay, here you go,
• 49:51
  go edit this. I'm going to go enjoy myself
• 49:53
  rather than spending the next day having to edit this.
• 49:55
  Because once this podcast is done, that's what I'll be doing.
• 49:58
  I'll be editing, you know, and he's fine like I love to do
• 50:03
  podcast but it's like As you say, you play to your strengths,
• 50:08
  you played, so to what you're good at, what you do and what
• 50:10
  you enjoy doing as well. I think if you don't enjoy doing
• 50:13
  it, then that can sort of make the whole process kind of
• 50:17
  lackluster and you're just like, trying to do it just to get it
• 50:20
  done. And that's not yeah.
• 50:21
  Oh, should be really in retrospect completely agree.
• 50:25
  We've taken the same, kind of idea to music as well, so we
• 50:29
  record everything our self. I'm still learning.
• 50:33
  And obviously, this is a long journey for mixing and mastering
• 50:35
  Sick, but I've gotten a lot better, but I'm still at the
• 50:39
  point where I don't really get the sound that I'm looking for,
• 50:42
  when mixing our music. And so now, I, we've just
• 50:45
  started. Outsourcing that.
• 50:46
  So will record everything. I'll put together a really rough
• 50:49
  demo of K. This is how I want it to all
• 50:51
  come together and send it over to somebody who knows what
• 50:54
  they're doing. Who works in a studio and just
• 50:56
  let them mix it. And then I work with them back
• 50:58
  and forth, to tweak, certain things that I may or may not.
• 51:00
  Like, and then yeah and we can focus on songwriting and, and
• 51:05
  And exactly like you were just saying touching back on that as
• 51:08
  soon as you are able to do that and it's not like we're
• 51:11
  certainly not paying like high-end professionals Do It?
• 51:13
  Like These are people that are starting out with mixing that
• 51:15
  their passion is mixing. So it's a great, we can work
• 51:18
  together. But as soon as it's like will
• 51:20
  instead of learning how to mix for another 8 hours of the day,
• 51:23
  we can start making another song.
• 51:24
  Yeah, you can see them with you instead of when you get to that
• 51:27
  point, instead of spending the rest of the day editing, you can
• 51:30
  do another podcast. You can start the research for
• 51:32
  the next podcast. So as soon as you get to that
• 51:35
  level, You get to really focus on what you're enjoying and
• 51:38
  really putting more time into that.
• 51:39
  So just a waiting game, Long Haul.
• 51:43
  Yeah. Can't wait for that day.
• 51:47
  Yeah, this is this move on. Now you obviously, you mentioned
• 51:50
  music. Let's talk about music you guys
• 51:54
  or a c in a band. How did you first get into
• 51:58
  music? Like where did it all begin for
• 51:59
  you guys? How do you want me to start?
• 52:03
  And then yeah, you can start. Yeah, no began with.
• 52:06
  Yeah. It all began with the grant
• 52:09
  know. We had a piano in our house and
• 52:10
  I think we both grew up with him like starting.
• 52:13
  I don't know whether it's you begin.
• 52:15
  Piano apps like four years old. 5 years old.
• 52:17
  Whatever the age might be, and our parents aren't particularly
• 52:21
  musical, like they love music but they don't play instruments.
• 52:24
  They so I don't know why, but yeah, we grew up playing piano.
• 52:28
  Kind of went through that phase of pianos.
• 52:30
  Not cool anymore. But, you know, John got into
• 52:33
  guitar a lot earlier. I didn't really get on that
• 52:36
  train until like mid University. Oh yeah, I kind of.
• 52:41
  So I got back in the piano a lot more to when Like, I can learn
• 52:44
  it on my own terms with YouTube songs that I want like, and
• 52:49
  that's where I was struggling with piano, like we're learning
• 52:51
  to play classical music. And that's just not something
• 52:53
  that that I get excited about. Yeah.
• 52:56
  And then maybe, like, third, fourth year university was, when
• 52:59
  I really got back into guitar, like taught myself, guitar from
• 53:03
  YouTube. Pretty much joined a band in
• 53:06
  University, and then when I graduated and now back in
• 53:10
  University, but that's kind of what brought us to this point,
• 53:13
  where we start, Like being like, wow, we should probably just
• 53:15
  write our own stuff and, and put together our own music now.
• 53:19
  So you should jammed when you were younger, but then this was
• 53:21
  like, the first time you like, hey, maybe we should do
• 53:24
  something a bit more professional.
• 53:25
  Yeah, well, I mean, the bands we were I was in in and University
• 53:29
  like we have two EPs and a full album cut out.
• 53:33
  So it was like, but it was kind of like just we were it was all
• 53:36
  my good buddies and we were having fun doing it and it was
• 53:38
  kind of our entire spare time was just put towards like
• 53:41
  playing live music and recording and writing songs.
• 53:44
  But in terms of like you guys specifically like what yeah, oh
• 53:47
  yeah, yeah, yeah. So that actually, I came into
• 53:49
  that story later. So again, Mark mentioned I
• 53:53
  picked up guitar at a really young age.
• 53:55
  Got really into guitar, played it forever.
• 53:58
  Put all the hours in when I was young, which was great.
• 54:01
  And then basically focused on really solo kind of isolation
• 54:08
  music. When I was in university, I was
• 54:11
  playing like looping a lot. So using a Looper /, trying to
• 54:14
  cover songs, by myself, ended up buying a drum kit taught myself
• 54:18
  how to play drums. And it was really just all about
• 54:20
  me, never really jammed with anybody else and wasn't even
• 54:23
  totally confident singing at that point and then it wasn't
• 54:27
  until yeah, we graduated University, Mark had his band.
• 54:30
  I think they came up to our Cottage once and played some
• 54:32
  music and was like, why don't you play with us?
• 54:34
  I'm like, alright, I'll play with you guys.
• 54:35
  Cool. And then we just realized how
• 54:37
  much fun that was in itself, jamming and playing live.
• 54:41
  So we started to grow and then I started diving.
• 54:44
  Into that world of live music and we got all the gear, we got
• 54:47
  the PA systems, brought everything up to the cottage and
• 54:49
  it just evolved from there started.
• 54:51
  Our, you know, our charitable organization where we do live
• 54:54
  concerts for raising money for fighting blindness.
• 54:57
  Oh, God, yeah. So that's something we do
• 55:00
  usually twice a year but this year we just did one virtually.
• 55:03
  So we have all our friends over play.
• 55:05
  Huge cover. Show raise a bunch of money,
• 55:07
  send it off to a great charity to support Vision research and
• 55:10
  then yeah it basically a year ago we decided We should
• 55:14
  probably just read our own music and then I do of down that
• 55:17
  rabbit hole head first jumped into, you know, bought logic
• 55:21
  started, buying all the gear that I needed and learning how
• 55:23
  to mix and yeah, we're a year into it, basically writing our
• 55:28
  own music. Yeah pretty so told me for your
• 55:31
  songwriting process because I think everyone every musician
• 55:34
  has a different way they do it. You know, Bowie famously used to
• 55:38
  cut up pieces of newspaper and put it together and that's how
• 55:41
  he made his lyrics. And I'm pretty sure some drugs
• 55:43
  were V 2 for you guys. Like, what's your process?
• 55:48
  So, I'll start this one because we have a very different process
• 55:53
  for two, different styles of music, which I guess I'll answer
• 55:56
  have yet to hear. So, the first couple songs that
• 55:58
  we did was very much just a learning, a learning situation.
• 56:03
  So, you know, yeah. Figured out what works for us,
• 56:06
  just wrote a couple cool licks marks in Ireland.
• 56:09
  I would say, hey, he'd record something on his guitar, maybe a
• 56:12
  lick or riff or a chord progression, send it.
• 56:14
  To me, I'd record drums on it, then send it back to him, he
• 56:17
  record space, we just kind of conglomerate this mess of a song
• 56:20
  and then at the very end, the lyrics get written in like five
• 56:22
  minutes because okay, yeah, more.
• 56:26
  Yeah, I did a lot of like Freestyle rapping and stuff like
• 56:28
  that. So it just really, really
• 56:30
  quickly improv just throw down a couple of verses and a chorus
• 56:34
  and see what happens. Do you still?
• 56:36
  Like because well, I tend to do like my songwriting process has
• 56:39
  changed over the years, in terms of like it used to be Lyrics
• 56:44
  have to be written first, come in and then write the song,
• 56:48
  right? Yeah.
• 56:49
  And always liked and sometimes I still do that.
• 56:51
  Like, if I have some lyrics ready, I'll try and fit them to
• 56:53
  the song and whatever, right? Yeah.
• 56:55
  These days I find myself kind of like a sit-down with my guitar
• 57:00
  and I do the reverse, I start jamming my own like this, I
• 57:03
  start humming and and then I think about like how, you know,
• 57:07
  the music makes me feel, you know, emotion-wise or whatever.
• 57:12
  And then I start riff In Like lyrics and it kind of like I'm
• 57:15
  basically writing both at the same time, which is a terrible
• 57:18
  way to do things but it works. I don't know for me.
• 57:22
  So like is that kind of what you mean?
• 57:24
  Like you sort of like you have everything sort of ready and
• 57:27
  then you kind of just jamming and trying to see like what
• 57:30
  works lyrically? Like totally makes sense.
• 57:33
  Totally. Yeah.
• 57:33
  Just most of it comes off the top.
• 57:35
  We hit. We didn't really put much
• 57:36
  thought into the lyrics. I think, the latest single that
• 57:40
  we released, we kind of sat down together, but it was really
• 57:43
  quick. Rick, it was like hum the
• 57:45
  melody. Okay.
• 57:46
  I like the way that that sounds, that sounds cool.
• 57:48
  And then for the words we had almost freestyle something where
• 57:53
  that may not make total sense and then afterwards, we went
• 57:56
  back and kind of analyzed like okay this would make more sense
• 57:59
  for the theme of the song of what we're trying like.
• 58:01
  We're trying to build a bit of a story out of the foundation that
• 58:03
  we've got laid and then that one came together like that.
• 58:07
  Now we're working on a new EP, we've got four songs in the
• 58:12
  works and they're very much. Hip-hop influenced which is
• 58:15
  totally left hand. Turn from what we were doing.
• 58:18
  This was more of your indie rock style so we've done real
• 58:21
  instrumentation real music that could be played live.
• 58:25
  But been that catchy almost pop like courses with a lot of
• 58:29
  layers and then just wrapping just hip-hop rapping as the
• 58:34
  verses, and it's been a lot of fun, but not really, none of
• 58:37
  that is written either. It's just very much freestyle.
• 58:41
  Cool. How does being related being
• 58:45
  siblings effects? You know, you while your
• 58:49
  songwriting, you're gigging together.
• 58:51
  Being obviously, as you mentioned, you know, you've been
• 58:53
  in different projects as well outside of this.
• 58:55
  But like, you know, often we hear about famous sibling
• 58:59
  rivalries, like a waste. This for instance, in the UK and
• 59:02
  famously, the Gallagher brothers were at each other's throats and
• 59:05
  it's some people would argue that creates very good music as
• 59:08
  a result and also creates, you know, problems as well.
• 59:12
  Like, you guys seem like you're very Bison that there's not
• 59:14
  really any issues ever, but I do have a kind of find contrast or
• 59:19
  things there that don't exist, you know, outside of, you know,
• 59:25
  working together or anything like that.
• 59:28
  Well yeah that's a good question.
• 59:30
  I feel like we're both just really similar and we like the
• 59:33
  same style of music. That's what I was.
• 59:35
  We like and so now that there's really never any conflict
• 59:39
  between us, it's kind of like and we're really half the time
• 59:43
  you know, will sit Down start making a song.
• 59:44
  We both like, oh yeah. Do that again.
• 59:46
  Like, I like what you're doing their record that down?
• 59:48
  Yeah, you do. What if you do something like
• 59:50
  this and then after two hours, it might be like.
• 59:52
  Alright, let's put that aside and just start with something
• 59:54
  new because we both just work really feeling it, right?
• 59:57
  Like yeah, it's just so we always just, I don't know.
• 1:00:00
  I think it's just we're excited about everything we're doing and
• 1:00:02
  yeah, I've never there's never like, you know, and if it's
• 1:00:07
  something I really want to try like, I think this baselines
• 1:00:09
  really cool. Let's try and mix it in
• 1:00:11
  somewhere, then it's like. All right, let's see what we Can
• 1:00:13
  do like we're there's never like ah yeah ah yeah.
• 1:00:17
  We had that one track. Even though we recorded a like
• 1:00:20
  we have hundreds of songs that we've recorded and then stopped
• 1:00:23
  and not gone anywhere with and maybe we'll touch back on those
• 1:00:25
  another day or whatever, but we had that one that you were in a
• 1:00:28
  huge fan of, you kind of forgot about it and then I took it one
• 1:00:32
  day as an inspiration and then put a ton of work into it and
• 1:00:36
  built it, built it built it, built it, built it up and then
• 1:00:38
  showed it back to you and you're like, I don't even remember
• 1:00:40
  doing this, this is amazing. Yeah, so, you know, And then the
• 1:00:44
  same thing might happen, otherwise where Mark will be in
• 1:00:46
  Dublin and he'll put together a whole song from something that
• 1:00:49
  we did or from just an idea had he'll send it to me.
• 1:00:51
  And I'll be like, wow, that's amazing.
• 1:00:52
  Let's go with that. So we just really are super
• 1:00:56
  open-minded and we use each other's contributions and and we
• 1:01:00
  both can do it on our own to. So if we wanted to, I can write
• 1:01:03
  a song. He can write a song.
• 1:01:04
  I might like it. I might add to it or we might
• 1:01:07
  decide as a team. Yeah, let's scrap this project.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah, we'll look back in a few years.
• 1:01:12
  How do you communicate? Kate to each other, like, if one
• 1:01:15
  of you really sort of likes the song and one of you hate see or
• 1:01:19
  isn't feeling it. Obviously, as you said, you guys
• 1:01:21
  got a really good relationship by the sound of things and, you
• 1:01:24
  know, you as you said, you're open-minded.
• 1:01:26
  So I'm guessing obviously the communication is very laid-back
• 1:01:29
  and chilled and quite easy, right?
• 1:01:31
  But like, obviously it's never nice having to be constructive.
• 1:01:36
  You can obviously put it in a nice way.
• 1:01:38
  That's always something you can do that.
• 1:01:39
  I think a lot of people forget about, but how do you kind of
• 1:01:42
  voice that how You say, hey, I'm not really feeling this or, you
• 1:01:45
  know, I hate this. Like, how do you voice that to
• 1:01:48
  each other? I think exactly how you just
• 1:01:51
  said it. It's like so simple.
• 1:01:52
  Like, we're not, we're not going to get offended by what someone
• 1:01:55
  says. So, like we were doing something
• 1:01:57
  yesterday, John, put in this little, like, horn section.
• 1:02:00
  I'm like, I wasn't feeling it didn't say much.
• 1:02:02
  Maybe it'll add. When we add some other stuff, 20
• 1:02:04
  minutes later, it was like, John, I'm not feeling that horn
• 1:02:07
  section. I think, I think we got a bullet
• 1:02:09
  or change it do something and then it just like, yeah, you
• 1:02:12
  know what, you're right. And I In the day.
• 1:02:14
  Like I don't think we want to release any music where one of
• 1:02:16
  us isn't happy about it. So like if I if I bring in a
• 1:02:20
  riff and John's like I don't know how I feel about that.
• 1:02:22
  I'm not going to be like oh come on I really it's like maybe I'll
• 1:02:25
  use it in another project. Maybe I'll use it somewhere else
• 1:02:27
  but if you don't like it and we're not feeling the song
• 1:02:29
  together then we're not going to release the song such a
• 1:02:32
  refreshing attitude to have. I must say this brings back, a
• 1:02:35
  lot of memories for me. I mean I think when I first
• 1:02:38
  started being in a band, I was a bit of a hard case.
• 1:02:40
  I was like the leader. So I was really like getting on.
• 1:02:43
  Everyone's Case about things and I definitely know that I could
• 1:02:45
  have voice things better. But one thing I was proud of is
• 1:02:48
  that I always allowed everyone to just give it a try even if I
• 1:02:51
  didn't feel what they were doing, I was that.
• 1:02:53
  Well we should just try this idea and see how it sounds with
• 1:02:56
  what we're doing and stuff. But yeah, like the way you voice
• 1:03:01
  things, like what you just said there is the perfect way to
• 1:03:05
  voice that you say, hey, well, maybe we won't use it for this
• 1:03:07
  project. Maybe we use it for something
• 1:03:08
  else and just how you communicate these things because
• 1:03:12
  I think a lot of Some people forget how personal music is and
• 1:03:16
  like, because it's essentially like an expression of the Soul
• 1:03:19
  isn't in a way. It's like a creative kind of
• 1:03:23
  expression of yourself. So, if someone goes batshit,
• 1:03:26
  it's like your. There's always like they're
• 1:03:27
  saying your shit and even though, you know, that's not
• 1:03:30
  what they mean. It's how it feels.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, I think it's like, Unwritten kind of what Mark was
• 1:03:36
  saying. It's like an Unwritten code
• 1:03:38
  between us that neither of us wants to put anything out that
• 1:03:40
  the other person's not stoked on.
• 1:03:42
  Yes. So if He doesn't totally love
• 1:03:44
  the song even a fit. Maybe, I've put 20 hours into
• 1:03:48
  mixing and recording this track and I send it to him.
• 1:03:51
  He's like, yeah, I don't really like that.
• 1:03:53
  Then I wouldn't put it out, it's going to be bad Maggiore, isn't
• 1:03:58
  it? You got to have like it's really
• 1:04:00
  three out of four. Love it.
• 1:04:01
  And one guy hates it. Take the majority that if it's
• 1:04:04
  like and we also have it. There's only be only have two so
• 1:04:07
  it's like what we do. And it's like so it's like hey
• 1:04:15
  if if we both don't like it then it's not going out.
• 1:04:18
  We change something right. Fair enough.
• 1:04:20
  Fair enough just very briefly. I want to mention one thing
• 1:04:25
  about the podcast but it's more to do with the music side of
• 1:04:28
  things. How has the podcast actually
• 1:04:30
  benefited your music in terms of promotion and networking and
• 1:04:33
  stuff? I know we've touched on this a
• 1:04:34
  little bit before but I just want to focus on your music
• 1:04:38
  specifically. Yeah, great question.
• 1:04:41
  I mean it's really early. It's too early to tell And right
• 1:04:44
  now, I have not even been watching if if our music is
• 1:04:49
  growing because we're so focused on what's next and what's up
• 1:04:51
  coming? And so maybe we'll start to see
• 1:04:54
  a kick in the way that we promote our new EP.
• 1:04:56
  I think we're still probably at least four or five months out.
• 1:04:59
  So we've got a long road ahead of us before we start releasing
• 1:05:02
  that. But I think just having it all
• 1:05:05
  interconnected makes sense from a future standpoint.
• 1:05:07
  So you know, if you like the podcast you like us, you kind of
• 1:05:11
  like our personalities. You go over to our Website,
• 1:05:14
  where we have all the podcast info, but our own musics also
• 1:05:17
  there as well. So, you're going to learn a
• 1:05:18
  little bit more about the band and maybe when you go on our
• 1:05:20
  YouTube channel and you watch our videos, there's also a
• 1:05:22
  separate playlist. That's got our own music videos,
• 1:05:25
  and maybe you're interested in that as well.
• 1:05:26
  If you're a fan, maybe you're not, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:05:29
  We, we get you in one area, then that's good enough for us.
• 1:05:33
  But I think it makes sense, like you said, streaming across as
• 1:05:37
  many different platforms as you can, whether it be podcast
• 1:05:40
  music, You Know, video, content or even.
• 1:05:43
  Being on all of the different platforms.
• 1:05:45
  Think it makes sense to just push that brand out there, I
• 1:05:48
  think? Yes as well.
• 1:05:49
  It's really cool as far as like just being content creators as
• 1:05:53
  well because that maybe being more kind of likeable on the
• 1:05:58
  wide in this well building. A following through that kind of
• 1:06:02
  almost encourages people to check out your music as a kind
• 1:06:05
  of like, oh, you guys do music as well, and it's like kind of
• 1:06:08
  doing any. There's that, that engine to its
• 1:06:10
  think I was, I was even saying that the other day that if Or
• 1:06:13
  someone that subscribes to the podcast and they like it,
• 1:06:16
  chances are, they're going to be like, oh, you know, I want to
• 1:06:20
  know who these guys are. Like, if I'm going to listen to
• 1:06:22
  them, you know, once every two Monday's, I'm going to figure
• 1:06:25
  out who they are and see and then you're going to be like,
• 1:06:27
  oh, they listen, they make their own music, they're probably
• 1:06:30
  gonna check it out, whether it's their style of music or were
• 1:06:32
  not, at least there's someone that knows about it and they
• 1:06:35
  watched it and, you know, so that's cool and its own.
• 1:06:38
  It's like I've had different people, say to me like all
• 1:06:40
  Christian, you know, you should put the podcast on a So now, you
• 1:06:44
  know, Channel, you should do this, you should do that.
• 1:06:46
  And I've always said, since the beginning of my channel that,
• 1:06:49
  you know, it's a variety channel, it's that's the
• 1:06:52
  purpose. That's what I see is the vision
• 1:06:54
  for it. Because from my perspective, I
• 1:06:56
  like this idea of you. Come on, you don't really know
• 1:06:59
  what to suspect like expects, very, is there going to be an
• 1:07:02
  original song? Is there going to be a cover
• 1:07:04
  song and acting video podcast episode?
• 1:07:06
  Like, you don't know? Like, I like that element to it.
• 1:07:09
  But yes, as we were just talking about, I like this kind of idea
• 1:07:12
  that if someone Really likes the podcast or really liked my
• 1:07:16
  acting videos and subscribe and follow stuff for that.
• 1:07:20
  Then they might check out the other stuff.
• 1:07:21
  And because I think that for example, like, you know, you
• 1:07:25
  guys aren't always going to be writing music, everyday, Jen.
• 1:07:28
  And, I mean, and it's the same with me.
• 1:07:29
  I'm not doing acting stuff 24/7. So, it's always like, what's
• 1:07:33
  happening in the moment and sometimes certain things, get
• 1:07:36
  neglected, a little bit certain time, you always come back to
• 1:07:39
  them, but like you're sort of focusing in the moment.
• 1:07:43
  On what's going on. So you kind of want your
• 1:07:45
  audience to kind of move with you with everything you do.
• 1:07:48
  And as you said before that kind of subscribe to That Brand Build
• 1:07:52
  That Brand and then people subscribe to that and they're
• 1:07:55
  not just focused on like oh hey why aren't you guys uploading
• 1:07:59
  covers or why? Haven't you done this or
• 1:08:01
  whatever? You know for sure, for sure.
• 1:08:03
  I mean, people don't remember what you say, they remember how
• 1:08:06
  you make them feel, and that's why, and that's what brands play
• 1:08:09
  on so hard. It's not really just about the
• 1:08:12
  content that you're looking at it.
• 1:08:13
  Experience that you get when you're watching it, so whether
• 1:08:16
  it's music, whether it's podcast content, acting whatever it is,
• 1:08:19
  you can have that all in the same brand, all in the same
• 1:08:22
  bucket. And if you've got a True
• 1:08:25
  Believer in someone who enjoys that experience and they enjoy,
• 1:08:27
  how you make them feel, they're sold their hooked and you've got
• 1:08:31
  a fan a real fan. It's like whenever hope one day,
• 1:08:36
  we want one real fan. I'm sure you have many fans
• 1:08:39
  already man. Yeah, we're not married.
• 1:08:51
  I was gonna say about Coca-Cola does that, you know, the brand,
• 1:08:57
  you know, I can't remember the last time they actually did an
• 1:09:00
  advert. We're like one of the people in
• 1:09:03
  the advert says, hey, would you like a Coca-Cola?
• 1:09:06
  Like, they might notice that hand, it symbolically, but has
• 1:09:09
  fuck all to do with the product. It's all pretty much about, you
• 1:09:13
  know, as you say, building the brand building the story
• 1:09:16
  building, something that people can subscribe to in some shape
• 1:09:19
  or form like I think that's what people always looking for.
• 1:09:22
  In general, is something relatable, something they can
• 1:09:26
  kind of something that makes them.
• 1:09:28
  As you said, that makes them feel something.
• 1:09:31
  That's what everybody wants. You just want to feel something
• 1:09:36
  that can go anywhere. Yeah, take it.
• 1:09:38
  How you want. I got such a daddy mind is like
• 1:09:48
  a lot of cops on our yeah. Oh, I keep everything in mind.
• 1:09:55
  No, tell me about your worst gigging experience the worst
• 1:10:02
  show ever or some some worst stories ever.
• 1:10:07
  You go first. Oh boy, you suffer first.
• 1:10:11
  I'm saving mine. Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Well, okay, this wasn't the worst because it was cool, but
• 1:10:16
  it's along those lines and kind of just a funny /.
• 1:10:20
  If Trying to be digging a terrible experience we played.
• 1:10:24
  So after covid, her know during covid me and John were at home
• 1:10:27
  for, you know, a few months. And we, we were like, let's
• 1:10:31
  nail. So, with full backtracking
• 1:10:33
  because it was just us, we had all the drums, all the horns,
• 1:10:36
  all the background vocals and where we will need like, you
• 1:10:39
  know, maybe like a 1718 song, set list that we could play all
• 1:10:42
  covers, all great songs that we liked and middle of covid.
• 1:10:47
  So we can't have any guess we go up north.
• 1:10:49
  We have the The coolest set up on a dock on the lake.
• 1:10:53
  Set up all the gear PA everything, and we played
• 1:10:57
  probably an hour and a half, two hours straight to my mom, my
• 1:11:01
  dad, both of our girlfriends. And that's it.
• 1:11:04
  So it wasn't, it was but like, just something hilarious about
• 1:11:11
  hitting that last, note to like Beat It by Michael Jackson being
• 1:11:14
  like look at each other fart sweating pumped up and like two
• 1:11:19
  people Way to go, boys, like and very underwhelming dude.
• 1:11:26
  I've been there so many times like true story.
• 1:11:29
  My first bands like last show. Like this is like we knew we
• 1:11:35
  were broken that breaking up that day so we put everything
• 1:11:37
  into it. But fuck me man.
• 1:11:39
  It was literally my ex-girlfriend the sound engineer
• 1:11:43
  and I think that's it. And if we like this heavy metal
• 1:11:47
  band trying to get into it is glorified I'd band practice just
• 1:11:52
  yeah yeah and that's why I said it's not a terrible experience
• 1:11:57
  because we set it up on purpose knowing there wouldn't really
• 1:11:59
  like knowing it wasn't the show but kind of just a hilarious
• 1:12:03
  experience. Because yeah, but playing really
• 1:12:06
  hard getting into it for like four people.
• 1:12:10
  Good times. Good times, lots of fun.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah, it is similar experience during covid this year as well.
• 1:12:16
  Set up a live stream by one of the universities.
• 1:12:19
  They actually reached out to And said would you guys like to play
• 1:12:22
  on a live stream? We're going to do a concert for
• 1:12:23
  the students. I'm like fantastic.
• 1:12:24
  Yeah of course we'd love to they go.
• 1:12:27
  How much should we pay? You were like oh wow, we don't
• 1:12:30
  even need to get paid when I said do donation in our name to
• 1:12:33
  the the charity that we work with, right?
• 1:12:36
  So we Mark couldn't make it because he was in Dublin that
• 1:12:39
  night and I was like I'll play and it was late at night so you
• 1:12:42
  would have had to have got that 3 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. to play some.
• 1:12:45
  I'll play for you guys. No problem.
• 1:12:47
  I played a live stream for an hour in front of, for 'Well, I
• 1:12:53
  didn't do any of the promoting the school did it and he goes.
• 1:12:56
  Yeah, in retrospect. It was a pretty busy time for
• 1:12:58
  students. They a lot of them had midterms
• 1:13:00
  and exams. It's probably bad timing like,
• 1:13:03
  all right, very odd, especially nobody in front of you.
• 1:13:07
  Nothing you're just playing live music which I guess I do on my
• 1:13:10
  own anyways. But yeah, you know I think days
• 1:13:13
  this thing this unspoken thing that exists because like every
• 1:13:16
  single band ever when they start out it's always the same.
• 1:13:20
  Thing you end up playing either to other bands sound engineer,
• 1:13:24
  girlfriend's family, whatever like basically no one, right?
• 1:13:28
  Yeah. And I think it's this kind of I
• 1:13:31
  like to call it the no one gives a fuck about you concert where
• 1:13:35
  as soon as you get just like known a little bit it just flip
• 1:13:40
  reverses. So like a good example of this
• 1:13:42
  right? I remember seeing this clip
• 1:13:44
  which you can find online its Rage Against the Machines.
• 1:13:47
  First ever gig I implore everyone to go check.
• 1:13:50
  Get out. I may have seen it.
• 1:13:52
  It's yeah, it's then playing and they do have an audience to be
• 1:13:55
  fair, right? But they're playing it like a
• 1:13:57
  universe. He is their first time gigging
• 1:13:59
  and I shit you not. It's like any other show they
• 1:14:02
  ever play. It's just amazing.
• 1:14:05
  And there's legit. I mean there is an audience but
• 1:14:07
  there's like what probably ten people there or whatever.
• 1:14:10
  Most people just walking past, oh my fucking Rage Against the
• 1:14:14
  Machine and you're walking past and of course like no one knew
• 1:14:16
  who they were then. Right there were nobodies I get
• 1:14:18
  that but still the music was fantastic.
• 1:14:20
  Fantastic. And I put it down to this
• 1:14:22
  concept. It's not, it's not even about
• 1:14:25
  how good you are. You can be amazing.
• 1:14:28
  It doesn't matter until you are known.
• 1:14:32
  And people I saw like talking about you because your name
• 1:14:35
  keeps popping up places or they saw you on the TV or the saw you
• 1:14:38
  in this place. People will just walk by you.
• 1:14:41
  Can you can do amazing and the people won't care.
• 1:14:43
  It's only when something really unique.
• 1:14:45
  Like, I don't know. You see a ten-year-old singing
• 1:14:47
  on the street and he's got the voice of an angel or some shit.
• 1:14:49
  Maybe then you pay attention. Yeah, it's viral.
• 1:14:51
  But other than that it most of the time.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. Being a band is a slug in the
• 1:14:55
  beginning and it's mostly like 23 years of being nobody and
• 1:14:59
  then maybe you make it And then there's those people that made
• 1:15:05
  it, but maybe aren't amazing. And then they have a man's who
• 1:15:09
  are signing up. Oh my God, I'm going to go see a
• 1:15:11
  concert with. So and so you don't even know
• 1:15:13
  who that person is. You haven't listened to any of
• 1:15:15
  their music, you're just hyped up because of the name, and
• 1:15:18
  they're not even that good. That happens to.
• 1:15:21
  That's the, what all it's, you know, I remember seeing you
• 1:15:24
  familiar with the metal band DragonForce I know for my, one
• 1:15:28
  of my buddies is from like I've just outside London, UK as well,
• 1:15:32
  like Adam, and he's a big fan. Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Okay, not a huge, I don't know, but he's definitely showed me
• 1:15:36
  some of their stuff, okay, sorry to Adam.
• 1:15:38
  I'm going to shit on DragonForce now.
• 1:15:40
  Okay, so basically back in human nature.
• 1:15:44
  The in about 2007, this video game came out Guitar, Hero 3 and
• 1:15:50
  Ayah song was on it through the fire and the flames.
• 1:15:52
  And everyone was going nuts because it was like, yo, just
• 1:15:57
  breathe Fast Speedy solos. It.
• 1:15:59
  Sounded amazing, right? We will Blown Away.
• 1:16:01
  We were all like, you know, thirteen-year-old kids go.
• 1:16:03
  Oh my God, this is amazing, right?
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, this is Super Show in London.
• 1:16:07
  I grew up in London, right? And it had everyone had Machine
• 1:16:12
  Head, Trivium Shadows fool. Some other band, a comma B and
• 1:16:17
  DragonForce, they weren't headlining but they were just
• 1:16:20
  playing life as like the second or third bill.
• 1:16:24
  And we were all pumped because of the hyper the band, you know,
• 1:16:26
  we really didn't know what to expect.
• 1:16:27
  Expect they, come on stage. Now, I'm going to be fair,
• 1:16:31
  Herman. Li was exceptional the rest of
• 1:16:35
  it and utter trash. I don't understand what was
• 1:16:39
  going on there. Maybe they were having a bad
• 1:16:41
  day, I don't know, but they were awful and the crowd booed them,
• 1:16:46
  which is the first time I've ever seen that show ever.
• 1:16:48
  Because normally you just give a band the benefit of the doubt.
• 1:16:50
  But if it's a big band and you paid money to be there, I gotta
• 1:16:53
  get why people get angry right? And they were literally being
• 1:16:57
  booed off. The Stage and they were supposed
• 1:16:58
  to have like a 30-minute set. I think they left off the like
• 1:17:01
  15 minutes and it was the only time in my life, I've heard the
• 1:17:04
  singer and the band say you're the worst crowd we've ever
• 1:17:08
  played to we're leaving for Cuba and they walked off and we all
• 1:17:11
  cheered when they left and then. Yeah I think that trigger way
• 1:17:15
  more next and everyone lost their mind for sure.
• 1:17:17
  It's a perfect example of like I don't know how I mean, I don't
• 1:17:22
  want to say that that totally bags.
• 1:17:23
  I don't denounce really true, but I think that like you do
• 1:17:26
  need to be on top of your game, you know?
• 1:17:28
  Yeah. If you and the high may need the
• 1:17:30
  performance. Yeah, I mean, I mean, let's give
• 1:17:33
  him a fair example. That there are a lot of Pop
• 1:17:35
  musicians out there who. Yeah?
• 1:17:38
  You know, everyone says is amazing, but when you hear them
• 1:17:40
  live their Out Of Tune, And I think that that is just
• 1:17:45
  unacceptable, they don't have to be the most amazing singer of
• 1:17:50
  all time, but they need to be in tune.
• 1:17:51
  They need to be sounding how they are.
• 1:17:53
  These sounds on the records because otherwise, it's like
• 1:17:56
  false advertisements like Miss. Yeah, I think that's a talent in
• 1:18:00
  itself is being able to, like reproduce the music that you put
• 1:18:03
  on. And to me, I would never want to
• 1:18:05
  put out a record where you couldn't reproduce it to an
• 1:18:08
  acceptable quality and then maybe you're just not a touring
• 1:18:12
  band. You can't do that.
• 1:18:13
  Like you shouldn't be having people pay for money to come
• 1:18:16
  watch you live. If you cannot perform your
• 1:18:19
  music, I just think that's kind of nonsensical, in a way.
• 1:18:21
  Like, I completely agree with you, but I do feel that, like,
• 1:18:27
  maybe this only applies to like, musicians that and forgive me
• 1:18:30
  for this, but like, don't using the instruments, like just do
• 1:18:33
  everything by computer, because I feel like bands, you know,
• 1:18:36
  like you do play the songs together, you write the songs
• 1:18:40
  together, you learn the songs and then when you Go to the
• 1:18:43
  studio, it's essentially just the best representation of that.
• 1:18:47
  But like, for example, when I did my first metal record, there
• 1:18:53
  are some songs that had like, very high vocal notes in it and
• 1:18:56
  obviously they sound very polished on the record, right?
• 1:18:59
  But I could hit those notes and I put a lot of time and effort
• 1:19:02
  into hitting them and there's videos online of me doing it.
• 1:19:05
  And I was always proud of that and I took a lot of pride in
• 1:19:09
  that and I always worked on it to try and make it as good as I
• 1:19:11
  possibly could. But in my And I thought I can't
• 1:19:14
  put out a record where I can't sing like that, that's just
• 1:19:18
  false that that's like people just going to come see us.
• 1:19:22
  And at a point where you're trying to build yourself, if
• 1:19:24
  people come and see you in the go on, but doesn't sound like
• 1:19:26
  what was on the record? Like what's going on there?
• 1:19:28
  Like I don't know, there's just a lot to me that I did thing is
• 1:19:32
  though, everybody has a number so if Warner Brothers music
• 1:19:37
  comes to you and they're like, Christian working to give you 50
• 1:19:40
  million dollars. You're not even going to sing on
• 1:19:43
  the album. You're basically going to be
• 1:19:45
  Britney Spears, you're going to have no Talent whatsoever and
• 1:19:48
  we're going to fake the entire thing and you're going to be a
• 1:19:50
  sensational Superstar. There's a number where most
• 1:19:54
  people will will budge. I thought you might be like
• 1:19:57
  myself. I'm, I probably would rather
• 1:19:59
  take my own life, then deal with that.
• 1:20:01
  I will turn it down because no, but yes, for the for two
• 1:20:04
  reasons, right. And I know people will be like
• 1:20:06
  our bullshit. Come on, man, everyone's got a
• 1:20:08
  number, like, but you got to look at it like this, like,
• 1:20:11
  you're essentially selling. Soul 100% like you.
• 1:20:14
  Look at how fucked Britney Spears is right now.
• 1:20:16
  Like her situation like they had me under strict owns her which
• 1:20:21
  is crazy to think about. But like, and this is why I've
• 1:20:24
  spoken to other musicians about this on the podcast before.
• 1:20:27
  Why, you know, I think it's just not worth signing with major
• 1:20:32
  labels anymore. Like, it's much better to be an
• 1:20:34
  independent musician and get like a distribution deal for
• 1:20:37
  your stuff. Because if you go for a record
• 1:20:40
  label, that what you're forgetting?
• 1:20:41
  Is there a Business and they want to make money off of you.
• 1:20:45
  They're not trying to make meet you money.
• 1:20:46
  They're trying to make money off of you, and they will give you a
• 1:20:48
  deal where they make the most of the money, which you're writing
• 1:20:51
  the songs, you're writing the music.
• 1:20:53
  Like, okay. You gave the example of a
• 1:20:55
  situation where they give you a big amount, and yeah, you don't
• 1:20:58
  have any involvement in the situation, but like in that
• 1:21:02
  scenario, they own you and you have to do everything they say
• 1:21:06
  and you're not going to get to enjoy that money.
• 1:21:08
  You probably have to spend it. Just, I don't know, whatever
• 1:21:11
  like power. Be self-maintenance.
• 1:21:14
  Keeping yourself. Look in the way that you look
• 1:21:17
  for however, long. The contract is, I don't know,
• 1:21:19
  like it, it's not going to be all sunshine and daisies, you
• 1:21:23
  know, it's going to be hard work.
• 1:21:25
  And then when you come out of that contract, you've got
• 1:21:28
  nothing to show for it by you, don't own your music, and I feel
• 1:21:32
  like music, especially these days is so much more respected.
• 1:21:37
  When the musician has actually written their work, that's not
• 1:21:39
  to say that I'm holding anything against like Musicians, that
• 1:21:43
  don't write their own work. I think that it's it's a
• 1:21:46
  combination of factors. It's the talent of the singer,
• 1:21:49
  how they work on their craft and then the music itself.
• 1:21:52
  It's all different elements of a big puzzle, but I do think that
• 1:21:57
  you do, you tend to always Revere those musicians that
• 1:22:00
  write their own work, like they're the ones that tend to be
• 1:22:03
  remembered more and revered more because it just of how I
• 1:22:09
  suppose, you know, the songwriting thing is, you know,
• 1:22:12
  for People It comes naturally, the other people, it's not so
• 1:22:15
  easy. And I think that's probably
• 1:22:16
  where the element of like, you know, their admiration maybe
• 1:22:20
  comes from. Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  And I think you connect with those people more to like when
• 1:22:25
  it's when this is your work, this is your story like every
• 1:22:28
  song. I'm a big believer myself like
• 1:22:31
  first round through listening to a song.
• 1:22:33
  I just kind of like sit and think about it.
• 1:22:35
  Like listen to a couple instruments but just think about
• 1:22:37
  how that makes me feel. Where would I want to be
• 1:22:39
  listening to this song and when I know Know that they wrote it
• 1:22:43
  themselves. It's their music.
• 1:22:45
  This is what they wanted to release, that's just awesome
• 1:22:47
  because I'm looking at them for that inspiration rather than
• 1:22:51
  this is a beautiful song. But like you don't mean really
• 1:22:54
  anything to me because you're just singing it or some and you
• 1:22:57
  know I applaud you on a fantastic voice but that's
• 1:23:00
  that's just like you said, that's one part of it.
• 1:23:02
  And to me, the music is way more than just having a great voice.
• 1:23:07
  Totally couldn't agree more and one of the things that you
• 1:23:10
  mentioned there was Inspirations, which leads me on
• 1:23:12
  to my next question. Who are your musical
• 1:23:15
  inspirations? Oh boy.
• 1:23:19
  So many we list this. So many different types of music
• 1:23:22
  for me. That's the right answer.
• 1:23:24
  Yeah, if I had to pick two artists, you may not have even
• 1:23:31
  heard of either of them. 1 John, Butler Trio.
• 1:23:34
  Yes. On mazing battle our player.
• 1:23:38
  So talented, so skilled sounds exactly like the record I went
• 1:23:42
  and saw him live last year. He sounds perfect and It
• 1:23:47
  incredibly skilled, probably one of the best guitar players in
• 1:23:50
  the world. So I'm yeah, huge John Butler
• 1:23:52
  Trio fan. And then number two would be
• 1:23:55
  kind of a newer guy shaky Graves you heard of him and I didn't
• 1:23:59
  gotta check them out. So yeah, really pounded.
• 1:24:02
  How do you spell that like my hand is she has H Cohn ke and
• 1:24:07
  then Graves as it sounds gra VES.
• 1:24:11
  So yeah, he's from Austin. Texas or Houston Texas.
• 1:24:14
  I believe I got to say I've had musicians.
• 1:24:17
  The show since we're up here. But I've had so many musicians
• 1:24:20
  on my show from Texas. There's something about Texas
• 1:24:25
  and music and culture like seriously will they love their
• 1:24:29
  music? And there's probably what like
• 1:24:31
  80 million people in Texas. We've got a good shot and now
• 1:24:35
  but no, he yeah, that would have been one of mine and I don't
• 1:24:38
  think this is inspiration for like where do we try and base
• 1:24:41
  our music off but it's inspiration as like a whole like
• 1:24:44
  our music doesn't sound anything.
• 1:24:45
  Like there's but it's Of just like them as a person and how
• 1:24:49
  true they are about their music and how passionate they are
• 1:24:52
  about and how they have their style and they just go with it
• 1:24:55
  and they absolutely love it. Shake your Graves was one of the
• 1:24:58
  most incredible people I've ever seen live.
• 1:25:01
  He does he's banned banned. Music is fantastic, but he does
• 1:25:04
  lots of songs with, he does dual Kick Drum and like a tambourine
• 1:25:09
  with his feet while playing guitar and Isabel unbelievable
• 1:25:14
  into a one-man band. So good.
• 1:25:17
  And so you see these YouTube videos and it's like, oh my God,
• 1:25:20
  this is unbelievable. Like he does audio tree live and
• 1:25:23
  it's some of the coolest performances I've seen.
• 1:25:26
  And then I saw in Dublin. My girlfriend was like knows I'm
• 1:25:30
  a huge fan. He came to Dublin.
• 1:25:31
  It was like 120 euros and I was like, I can't do that.
• 1:25:35
  That's I can't afford that I'm a student.
• 1:25:37
  So dumpling is as expensive as it is like.
• 1:25:41
  So yeah, I'm just I'm struggling and but so we Ryan.
• 1:25:47
  Their flight 15 euros and a 15 to go.
• 1:25:50
  See shaky Graves and the 30 Euro Airbnb for the night in
• 1:25:53
  Brussels. So, one night, for what I mean
• 1:25:58
  maybe was I $55 65 Euros and so I was like, all right, you know
• 1:26:02
  what? That's doable and I can see
• 1:26:04
  Brussels, and it was 25 people in this bar and in Texas, You'll
• 1:26:08
  Play to like, you know, 70,000 people, 82, call my God.
• 1:26:12
  That's the best kind of showed. Nobody knew, like only the 25
• 1:26:16
  people knew. He was and know what obviously,
• 1:26:18
  because it was incredible. What gets me?
• 1:26:21
  Mm, oh yeah, we were talking with him, drinking some pints
• 1:26:24
  with him, it was believable. And by far, I was like, that's
• 1:26:28
  the coolest musical experience I've ever had in my life.
• 1:26:32
  Fuck, yeah, huge inspiration on him.
• 1:26:35
  He just everything about him. And, like I said, not the music,
• 1:26:37
  but just everything about what he does for music and how he
• 1:26:41
  approaches music and writing music, and as bad as like, that
• 1:26:44
  is an inspiration. Check them out.
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, you caught. Well, I will fight to me for me.
• 1:26:49
  Music is a gift. Like I know that sounds so
• 1:26:51
  cringy. But what I mean by that is like
• 1:26:53
  whenever because I got open mind that you guys, and my music
• 1:26:57
  interests. And what I listen to is
• 1:27:00
  literally everything all different genres, but as far as
• 1:27:03
  like inspiring my playing style and my songwriting yeah it comes
• 1:27:06
  down to the same factors you know like the way a person
• 1:27:09
  thinks the way they approach it like whatever.
• 1:27:12
  But really quick just to mention two of I believe shaky Graves
• 1:27:18
  traded to start his career as an actor as well.
• 1:27:21
  So you right, you might really connect with them on that level.
• 1:27:23
  I think he was doing acting and Broadway and he was really
• 1:27:26
  trying to get it. And he tells this crazy story
• 1:27:29
  about how he busted out a his guitar at like a campfire and it
• 1:27:33
  was just like this musical experience and journey and that
• 1:27:36
  was like, what really got him more down?
• 1:27:38
  The track of like pursuing music as a career rather than acting
• 1:27:41
  really? Really cool interesting guy.
• 1:27:44
  imagine you probably had a lot of adoring women looking at him
• 1:27:47
  at the campfire going and he was like this hundred into this you
• 1:27:51
  know I play and the woman come for said The power.
• 1:28:05
  Oh my God. Okay.
• 1:28:07
  Okay. Back to miss my we're in it.
• 1:28:11
  Tell me about your best gigging experiences.
• 1:28:17
  Oh, okay. Well I'll tell quick when you
• 1:28:19
  give one unfortunately, mine would well, Kate, we've had some
• 1:28:23
  awesome experiences together, but I'm going to tell one
• 1:28:26
  before, with my previous video, bathroom break to see you told
• 1:28:29
  us, we'll be right back. Perfect.
• 1:28:31
  So with my previous band, we had this, like, unique scenario.
• 1:28:35
  We're at our University, there was this kind of, like, Lodge
• 1:28:39
  and it's a city, but it was like this Lodge, all wooden cabin and
• 1:28:44
  for about 10 years, it's been given to It's who love music who
• 1:28:48
  are passionate about the Arts and those people, like you kind
• 1:28:52
  of like interview to get a spot at living in this house and
• 1:28:56
  total like open roof, like double floors with all these
• 1:29:00
  wooden beams and then massive stage and we throw concerts in
• 1:29:03
  there and all the money's like raised for charity, donated back
• 1:29:06
  to the community. And so when I like kind of learn
• 1:29:10
  guitar and like third year, I was kind of hanging out with
• 1:29:14
  this new friend who's now my best friend and he He was the
• 1:29:17
  singer songwriter and then it kind of all collaborated in
• 1:29:20
  fourth year with like drummer violinist.
• 1:29:22
  And we had the final show after my graduation at this concert.
• 1:29:28
  And then, so, my buddy lived there, which essentially was
• 1:29:30
  like, I lived there and we have this, this concert, and it was
• 1:29:34
  unbelievable. Like, it was like the first,
• 1:29:36
  like, wow. I feel like a rockstar, like
• 1:29:38
  everyone is pumped. None of us are wearing shirts.
• 1:29:41
  There's like, hey, jammed into this Lodge and I think the
• 1:29:46
  music. Music went really well liked and
• 1:29:48
  everyone was just so excited and so happy.
• 1:29:51
  So by far that was just like the coolest musical experience.
• 1:29:54
  I've had personally sounds awesome days.
• 1:29:57
  And yeah, someone show Ivan everywhere is like, yeah, that's
• 1:30:00
  a good time that exactly. Yeah, for me it was our last
• 1:30:06
  charity concert, the concert for the blind that we did.
• 1:30:09
  It was just an all-around, great show.
• 1:30:11
  We learned some lessons along the way on how much we need to
• 1:30:13
  set up what we need like how you structured the whole show?
• 1:30:16
  Joe needs to be, we had someone, you know, we had our engineer
• 1:30:20
  there. Who is really, really talented.
• 1:30:21
  So just sounded really good. It was one of the first times
• 1:30:24
  where I was really happy with the sound.
• 1:30:26
  We were getting sounded really good in the room too and I
• 1:30:29
  remember playing one of our funny or so I remember playing
• 1:30:32
  play that funky music. White boy.
• 1:30:34
  Yeah we wanted to we love proud of its right.
• 1:30:38
  Look what our crowd is all different ages.
• 1:30:39
  So it's just, you know, people sons of people like.
• 1:30:42
  So we really don't like songs that like, I feel like that if
• 1:30:44
  you play the classics These like everyone loves that.
• 1:30:48
  Surely exactly. Yeah, we did a funk set that
• 1:30:50
  night and yes the whole buncha Punk's, so much fun, so much
• 1:30:54
  fun. I remember singing that song and
• 1:30:56
  again you get lost when you're playing and singing and I'm
• 1:30:58
  always trying to remember the words and I remember singing it
• 1:31:00
  and looking up and just seeing like a hundred people really
• 1:31:04
  dancing and just singing along with me.
• 1:31:07
  And I'm like, this is what it must feel like.
• 1:31:09
  Yeah. And shouting Play That Funky
• 1:31:11
  Music. Yeah, that's like the recall
• 1:31:13
  it's like, damn, this feels so good to have the room.
• 1:31:16
  I'm just loving what you're doing and it was a you know, you
• 1:31:20
  just chase that feeling forever. It just I want that bigger how
• 1:31:24
  how incredible would it feel for somebody as a musician to play a
• 1:31:28
  stadium and have 30,000 people singing your song?
• 1:31:33
  I think it's especially cool. When you think about like where
• 1:31:36
  you wrote the song? Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  You often hear stories about like musicians?
• 1:31:40
  Like I don't know, Ed Sheeran. I'm talking about like oh yeah,
• 1:31:42
  you know I was paying wimbley to like hundred thousand people and
• 1:31:45
  I wrote this song in my bed I'm about some girl.
• 1:31:48
  I loved. Yeah, blah blah blah, and it's
• 1:31:50
  like, it must be crazy. Like I'm sure he's probably had
• 1:31:52
  moments where he's on that stage going like, fuck, man.
• 1:31:55
  I bet they all have anyone who's had that experience.
• 1:31:59
  Like, I don't think we can comprehend know what it feels
• 1:32:02
  like no, no chance. Maybe one day, maybe one day.
• 1:32:06
  If it ever happens, then then you'll have that chance to be
• 1:32:09
  like yeah this is what I was talking about back in 2020 and
• 1:32:12
  it's way cooler than I could have imagined.
• 1:32:15
  Yeah, I'm going to move the The conversation over to just like
• 1:32:18
  random questions. So love it don't.
• 1:32:21
  Don't be, don't be scared, it's all just random.
• 1:32:24
  But we've met we've mentioned quite a few times, Dublin,
• 1:32:27
  Dublin, Ireland. And I just wanted to ask you
• 1:32:30
  this because I've been to die Dublin and it's a great place.
• 1:32:33
  I encourage everyone after covid to go there.
• 1:32:36
  It's very it's very I think it's just a good European city.
• 1:32:41
  Good people, good alcohol, Good, Good Times.
• 1:32:44
  The Irish of fun, read And but there's some weird shit there as
• 1:32:48
  well. And I remember, oh boy, the
• 1:32:52
  National History Museum in Dublin, have you been there?
• 1:32:56
  Yeah, I don't know if this, it's if it's like a smaller building
• 1:33:00
  or if it's like just one building, but I walked in and it
• 1:33:04
  was all like Taxidermy like just discuss stuffed animals.
• 1:33:10
  It was like, everywhere you look was stuffed animals, which is
• 1:33:15
  amazing like really. He fucking weird it like in the
• 1:33:19
  window like you can see like kind of in the basement from the
• 1:33:22
  street and there's like a stuffed leopard or something and
• 1:33:25
  it's like oh that's that's weird.
• 1:33:27
  That's Unique. It's just gonna like because
• 1:33:30
  I've seen this everywhere like I've been in houses in Europe
• 1:33:32
  where like people have about these old Century like mansions
• 1:33:36
  and they got like a fucking Deers Head on the wall or
• 1:33:38
  something and it always freaks me out.
• 1:33:40
  I don't care like I know people are used to in stuff but I get
• 1:33:42
  freaked out. It's it's a dead animal and we
• 1:33:45
  hang it on our walls. That look in species where we
• 1:33:50
  are, but I just wondered if you'd been there because I
• 1:33:53
  always thought that, as a bit of a little gem in in Ireland, like
• 1:33:56
  yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:57
  I mean, I've been there for almost five years now.
• 1:34:00
  So I've certainly experienced most of Dublin and I have been
• 1:34:03
  there. I've seen what that maybe
• 1:34:05
  firsthand? What do you think about the
• 1:34:06
  good? The good and the bad parts about
• 1:34:08
  Dublin? Oh yeah.
• 1:34:10
  It like I've enjoyed it. I'm almost done.
• 1:34:13
  I'm finishing up my schooling in like, four months and I'm Gonna
• 1:34:17
  Be Sad to leave. Like the, I think one of the
• 1:34:19
  coolest Parts is how like when you said, how nice people are
• 1:34:22
  but how social everyone is? Like I love the bar scene mainly
• 1:34:26
  because the music is incredible. Like any Pub you go into there's
• 1:34:31
  these phenomenal musicians and I found some incredible guys that
• 1:34:35
  I kind of follow on like a local basis and I'm going to really
• 1:34:38
  miss like not seeing those people play because and you
• 1:34:43
  probably can't find her mind. Like I think that's just where
• 1:34:45
  they are. And that's what Do so yeah, I
• 1:34:48
  know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:50
  Like maybe go back and 10 years and hope that they're probably
• 1:34:53
  still there and just reconnect with that.
• 1:34:56
  So like that's something I'm gonna miss and then on the same,
• 1:34:59
  same side of the other side of the coin, the bars.
• 1:35:03
  And the partying is just like extreme sometimes and you see
• 1:35:06
  some like ultimate lows of Dublin and for the, okay?
• 1:35:12
  So I'll tell a story and it's pretty terrible.
• 1:35:14
  But we're walking down this bar and then it was like, oh, Let's
• 1:35:16
  let's go to this other one where this is guy playing.
• 1:35:18
  Like I pretty much Focus all of the bars and pubs around music
• 1:35:22
  so it's like, I know this guy's planet nine.
• 1:35:24
  Let's go check it out. Oh well, cut down this alley and
• 1:35:27
  there's just this guy leaning against the wall, taking a shit
• 1:35:30
  in the alley. And it's like, oh boy.
• 1:35:33
  Okay. And me and it's like he doesn't
• 1:35:36
  say anything. He looks up kind of gives you
• 1:35:38
  like the nod. I don't know what the knot is
• 1:35:40
  but you can't. You just like, give him the nod
• 1:35:43
  Back Carry On Through. And by no means, like, I don't
• 1:35:48
  think that this individual was homeless.
• 1:35:51
  I think it was just, like, I gotta go Iraq.
• 1:35:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Like brecht rather do it there than in like they're either
• 1:35:57
  stalls and tablet are disgusting.
• 1:36:00
  Yeah, not gonna do this like an actual disease or die if I just
• 1:36:04
  shit. Yeah.
• 1:36:04
  Compared to go into the local toilet.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:07
  Oh God. So lots of those kinds of
• 1:36:09
  stories and I don't know, it's not bad, more more, more comedy
• 1:36:13
  for me, but I could certainly do without seeing that.
• 1:36:16
  I Loved the school. You could wear that if it's the
• 1:36:18
  smallest bar in the world but supposedly the smallest bar in
• 1:36:21
  the world. I was blown away by that.
• 1:36:24
  You did, you just walk down the stairs.
• 1:36:26
  There is a legitimately a bar and like, three seats or maybe a
• 1:36:30
  bit more than that and then you walk in the bathroom and then
• 1:36:33
  that's it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:35
  The in the washroom of that bar, the roof is on a huge angle and
• 1:36:40
  it's padded with a gross mattress because it's so short
• 1:36:44
  that people just smash their heads off the roof standing up.
• 1:36:46
  Um, the toilet crazy. Wow, I don't actually fit in
• 1:36:49
  that bar. Yeah, like I'm like 62 and like
• 1:36:53
  I don't fit it, I don't fit in that bar.
• 1:36:55
  I was hunched over the entire time.
• 1:36:57
  It's kind of like drink your Pine and get out.
• 1:36:59
  So you did it. Yeah.
• 1:37:01
  But no overall like I absolutely love Dublin so it's such a cool
• 1:37:05
  place. Christian.
• 1:37:06
  Have you been to Canada? No, I would love to go.
• 1:37:10
  I would do. Would you go Well, Toronto, for
• 1:37:17
  sure, probably Montreal Quebec, let me find go there up, I know,
• 1:37:24
  because I'm in, mainly thinking, I'm a big wrestling professional
• 1:37:27
  wrestling fan. So I mainly think about like
• 1:37:29
  what I've become familiar with that probably in Niagara Falls
• 1:37:33
  is in Canada, isn't it? Yep like two hours away from
• 1:37:36
  Toronto? Yeah, I mean I think it's weird
• 1:37:40
  for me like I feel that one day I'm going to end up in Canada.
• 1:37:42
  Or because, you know, like sometimes had the universe kind
• 1:37:45
  of like, just froze, you signs, every night I get, I feel like
• 1:37:49
  the universe is trying to say like, hey you're going to go to
• 1:37:50
  Canada and I'm like but how yeah, like I'm gonna go with
• 1:37:56
  that but like how is that going to happen?
• 1:37:57
  And it's like ha ha. Just you wait and see buddy but
• 1:38:02
  he didn't run with that. My brothers.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah, we're bringing you. We're going to tip you.
• 1:38:07
  I like about and this is really a little bit controversial.
• 1:38:09
  But what I like about Canada is it's kind of like, It's
• 1:38:13
  obviously it's got his own culture that is very unique to
• 1:38:16
  specific to Canada, right? But it's also got like many
• 1:38:19
  elements of like American culture as well and it is kind
• 1:38:23
  of like a blend of like America in England and then its own
• 1:38:27
  thing. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:38:29
  And I like, because I'm I grew up like most kids around the
• 1:38:33
  world, you know, wanting to live in America and as an adult, you
• 1:38:36
  know, I've been there and I loved it, but I was like, okay I
• 1:38:40
  don't think I'll be living here or if I do.
• 1:38:42
  Do it will be very short-lived. And now especially with
• 1:38:46
  everything that's happened in the last couple of years and
• 1:38:49
  stuff. I've I just kind of concluded
• 1:38:50
  that it's it's not really like I want to kind of I don't think
• 1:38:55
  you can ever be truly 100% safe. Anywhere you go in the world but
• 1:38:58
  like there are places that are safer than others and I think
• 1:39:02
  like the idea that you know like everyone there owns a gun and
• 1:39:06
  that you can just shit can happen at any point is just it
• 1:39:09
  just kind of blows my mind because obviously I'm not Saying
• 1:39:13
  that in the UK there aren't guns because there are but obviously
• 1:39:16
  you can kind of go to bed safe in the knowledge that like if
• 1:39:19
  you walk down the street you're not just going to randomly get
• 1:39:22
  shot. You know for know you don't I
• 1:39:24
  mean I he's not really going to happen like it could but it's
• 1:39:27
  not going to happen. Whereas in America that's like
• 1:39:30
  It could happen at any moment for no reason, you know reason.
• 1:39:35
  Yeah, yeah. And I don't know that there's a
• 1:39:40
  certain Allure about Canada. Like I've I've heard a lot of
• 1:39:43
  good things as far as like it being having like a good like a
• 1:39:49
  high quality standard of living. So there's obviously that I seem
• 1:39:55
  to recall there was like a couple of years ago, there was
• 1:39:57
  like an article about a particular place in Canada where
• 1:39:59
  they were actually Trying to get people to come there and they
• 1:40:01
  would pay you to come and move that.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah, yeah. Maybe maybe.
• 1:40:09
  I'm pretty sure the entire province of Alberta.
• 1:40:12
  I could be wrong. So don't quote me on this but
• 1:40:13
  I'm pretty sure they will pay you to come and live.
• 1:40:15
  There there's so much vast space and they need people working and
• 1:40:20
  like in order for the economy to work.
• 1:40:23
  So I don't know if they'll pay you or they just give you some
• 1:40:25
  really big incentives, like you pay a lot less tax you know your
• 1:40:29
  money. A lot further, you're kind of in
• 1:40:31
  the middle of nowhere, but it's, it is beautiful to, you can get
• 1:40:34
  right near the mountains. Like Calgary is.
• 1:40:36
  Idiot is beautiful, how agree? There's one, yeah, cowgirl
• 1:40:40
  better. Can't ya Bret Hart country?
• 1:40:41
  Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful too.
• 1:40:45
  But there's your sign, maybe, maybe that's why I'm open to.
• 1:40:48
  I mean, I'm currently sort of back in the UK after being
• 1:40:51
  abroad for three years. So, I'm very much in, like, I
• 1:40:54
  want to be home mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:40:57
  But but like, yeah, I'm open to it.
• 1:40:59
  I mean, it's like all things, I think probably what will happen
• 1:41:03
  is I'll meet like a Canadian girl or something and then it'd
• 1:41:07
  be like, hey should we get married and moved to Canada and
• 1:41:09
  I be like, why the fuck not do it?
• 1:41:14
  Who knows? Who knows?
• 1:41:16
  But anyways, moving it forward any in Dublin.
• 1:41:22
  Yeah. Come check it out.
• 1:41:24
  It's pretty. It's pretty International where
• 1:41:25
  I'm actually in Manchester. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:41:27
  It's kind of blown my mind actually because I obviously you
• 1:41:30
  know, it's a uni Town University town.
• 1:41:33
  So there's always going to be International kind of vibe, but
• 1:41:35
  there's a lot of people that just live here, just live here.
• 1:41:38
  Yep, different countries. And that's really cool to me
• 1:41:41
  like, even though I grew up in London office, it's massively
• 1:41:44
  Multicultural there. Like I never really kind of got
• 1:41:47
  that Vibe, as much or later. At least.
• 1:41:50
  I don't know. It wasn't.
• 1:41:51
  It didn't seem as prevalent. I feel like in smaller places.
• 1:41:54
  It's like even more prevalent though, maybe it's to do with
• 1:41:57
  like culture, obviously with Manchester, it's more well known
• 1:42:00
  for, like it's our and it's music and everything and that's
• 1:42:04
  kind of more I'm Into, You know, how it is.
• 1:42:05
  If you're in that sphere, you kind of attract that particular
• 1:42:09
  types of people, so that's mainly what I look out for.
• 1:42:13
  So I'm very open as far as the future is concerned.
• 1:42:16
  I kind of just ride the wave and just see what happens really the
• 1:42:20
  best way to be. What do you guys like to do for
• 1:42:24
  fun outside of music and podcasting?
• 1:42:28
  Oh boy. Oh, I got ya.
• 1:42:31
  Last milk weed every day. Don't you?
• 1:42:33
  It's legal in Canada, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:42:36
  Yeah. For federally legal crazy.
• 1:42:39
  Oh God. We do a lot of stuff.
• 1:42:40
  I think know. Like number one would be like
• 1:42:42
  any sort of sport. Okay.
• 1:42:45
  You burned a sport so we play a lot of golf.
• 1:42:47
  That's all floud expect you to say that?
• 1:42:49
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, we were both
• 1:42:51
  like, really like ice hockey football, like American football
• 1:42:55
  and Lacrosse. Is that a Canadian thing as
• 1:42:57
  well? Yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Fair. Yeah, but you get older and less
• 1:43:00
  like I don't want to kill myself anymore.
• 1:43:02
  Nor are there leagues that are like you can buy pick up ice
• 1:43:05
  hockey and stuff like that. But yeah.
• 1:43:08
  Yeah, you know, golf's one that we both love golf.
• 1:43:11
  We live really close to one. We're fortunate enough to be
• 1:43:13
  able to go play it. So and it's like two hours,
• 1:43:16
  beautiful land, beautiful weather and you can be
• 1:43:19
  competitive with yourself, like, it's so it's kind of keep that
• 1:43:22
  competitive I would lit. Golf definitely also other
• 1:43:27
  Hobbies just Even you know, we're fortunate enough to have a
• 1:43:31
  family Cottage not too far away from where we live on the lake
• 1:43:34
  so we've grown up water skiing wakeboarding you know see doing
• 1:43:39
  like water sports are here for us surfing our cousins live out
• 1:43:44
  west on the west coast of Canada and there's a surfing Town up
• 1:43:47
  there where we get to go and do some cold water surfing.
• 1:43:50
  So anything that gets you active and gonna see doors we're not
• 1:43:55
  like Gamers or anything. We don't Don't really sit inside
• 1:43:59
  unless we're doing podcasting or music.
• 1:44:02
  Otherwise we're outside doing something fun.
• 1:44:04
  I need to move to Canada, man. Fuck.
• 1:44:05
  Now sounds fun. It really does drinking.
• 1:44:12
  I mean if you drink enough in anything spawn.
• 1:44:14
  Yeah, I beg to differ my friends.
• 1:44:19
  Some things. I think it doesn't matter how
• 1:44:20
  drunk you guys did. Still not fun, you're not run.
• 1:44:24
  What do you guys do for a living?
• 1:44:25
  Well, what's your what's your day?
• 1:44:26
  Jobs, if you don't mind. Talking about it.
• 1:44:28
  Yeah, go ahead John Lennon. No no problem.
• 1:44:30
  I work in. I work in Brands so which is
• 1:44:34
  kind of what we were talking about it, but I'm not
• 1:44:37
  advertising more. So like brand management and
• 1:44:40
  product development. Okay?
• 1:44:41
  Yeah. So once a the company that I
• 1:44:43
  work for because I'm not too sure, how sure they are.
• 1:44:45
  But it's one, it's the one of the largest brands in Canada.
• 1:44:49
  And I, I've only been doing that for about a year.
• 1:44:52
  Now, before then it was, I was strictly Finance, I worked in
• 1:44:56
  the financial industry for six or seven years.
• 1:44:58
  After University before and going back to school to do my
• 1:45:01
  MBA, what was your undergraduate in economics?
• 1:45:06
  Okay, yeah. See kind of how I went econ,
• 1:45:09
  went finance, and then did an MBA and my thinking was I'll do
• 1:45:12
  an MBA and I'll kind of get deeper into the finance world
• 1:45:15
  and then my MBA actually majored in sustainability.
• 1:45:18
  And the more I started learning about that I started realizing
• 1:45:21
  you know there's way more at play with products and actual
• 1:45:25
  physical items that were putting into the environment and Think I
• 1:45:28
  have a really unique perspective on how to do that sustainably
• 1:45:31
  naturally but also still get people involved.
• 1:45:35
  And I wanted to be at the Forefront of that movement where
• 1:45:37
  I don't know what it's like in the UK now but in Canada it's
• 1:45:39
  pretty much every major company, you know, McDonald's and W.
• 1:45:43
  All of our, they're all advertising, sustainability,
• 1:45:47
  sustainably, sourced beef, whatever it is, you know,
• 1:45:50
  natural this. That's a huge movement here.
• 1:45:53
  Canada actually just banned single-use Plastics.
• 1:45:55
  In the next four years, we have to have all single-use.
• 1:45:58
  Plastics eliminated. So I thought this is a exciting
• 1:46:01
  industry and it's something I'm kind of interested in so I
• 1:46:03
  jumped ahead and do that. Yeah yeah yeah really good
• 1:46:07
  timing that's why I made the switch.
• 1:46:08
  I could have been real cozy in the finance industry right now
• 1:46:11
  if I wanted to yeah, I thought I'd make the switch and do
• 1:46:14
  something different. So damn enjoying it and then
• 1:46:16
  I'll let Marco Yep. Right on as of now.
• 1:46:21
  No career. I'm in my life.
• 1:46:25
  Yeah, I'm in my final year of medical school.
• 1:46:27
  So, wow cool. Yeah.
• 1:46:29
  So finishing that up in like, April and then hopefully, I'm
• 1:46:34
  do, I'm doing a bunch of interviews right now.
• 1:46:36
  Like I'm in the midst of this whole game of like trying to
• 1:46:38
  find the residency position after.
• 1:46:40
  So hopefully going back and doing for years of training in
• 1:46:44
  the states that it was so packed.
• 1:46:47
  Hard living in the States but they're like, in terms of the
• 1:46:50
  medical industry, like it's just top-notch like there.
• 1:46:53
  It's incredible. You know, you're going to just
• 1:46:56
  gain training that you might not get and there's just more
• 1:46:58
  opportunities. So hopefully do my four years of
• 1:47:00
  training in the state's become, I'm working towards becoming a
• 1:47:05
  surgeon and going from there, then hopefully make my back Don
• 1:47:08
  tario. So bit of a longer Road.
• 1:47:11
  Cool, cool. Yeah.
• 1:47:13
  Well, best of luck that is. Yeah, both of you guys, awesome.
• 1:47:17
  Cheers. Mmm.
• 1:47:18
  Good, take it down, two down, two up to, to a more serious
• 1:47:23
  tone. I want to ask you kind of like
• 1:47:26
  how covid has affected you at your lives.
• 1:47:28
  Obviously, it's affected us all, but I'm always kind of
• 1:47:31
  intrigued, as to how my guests are adapting to these things.
• 1:47:34
  And just yeah, just generally getting by, I think we're both
• 1:47:38
  pretty similar in the sense that we We don't necessarily live in
• 1:47:44
  fear and we don't suffer from any anxiety or anything like
• 1:47:49
  that, but I think it's we get the medical system.
• 1:47:53
  Like our parents are both medical professionals as well
• 1:47:56
  and so it's trust the system and everything that we've been doing
• 1:47:59
  is just, let's just follow the rules.
• 1:48:01
  I don't want to be that one idiot who does something wrong
• 1:48:04
  and spreads it to all my friends and family.
• 1:48:06
  So we've been pretty strict in the sense that we've locked down
• 1:48:09
  pretty tight, as we're As to we've followed all the rules.
• 1:48:12
  You know for me basically life means working at home.
• 1:48:15
  I barely leave my home unless it's to go get groceries and
• 1:48:19
  that's just the way it is, you know, we'll get on Zoom calls,
• 1:48:21
  we'll do our podcasts now that marks home from Ireland, we kind
• 1:48:25
  of merged households between myself and my parents and Mark
• 1:48:28
  and so it's you know, it's sucks.
• 1:48:31
  And it bumps both of us out and bums.
• 1:48:33
  Everybody out around the world. I wish we could have a normal
• 1:48:35
  day and go out for dinner with our friends and, you know, have
• 1:48:38
  a bunch of people up to the cottage but it's just not
• 1:48:40
  possible, Right? Also, you know, best to just
• 1:48:43
  have a good attitude about it and do the best you can.
• 1:48:45
  And and I think it's probably been used way too often but like
• 1:48:50
  the saying and I've lived by this for years and then with
• 1:48:52
  covid everyone's like oh it is what it is.
• 1:48:54
  But you know what, it is what it is and you just have to kind of
• 1:48:57
  deal with it for now and no like well this isn't my forever, you
• 1:49:01
  know we're in like a serious like worldwide State and yeah
• 1:49:05
  you know just doing your individual part for me it's been
• 1:49:08
  interesting because so I've been traveling all Obviously for
• 1:49:11
  school because I have to I have to go back and forth and so the
• 1:49:16
  flights have been fantastic. You're on this 400-person
• 1:49:20
  airline with like, 45 people on it and it is your own Rose.
• 1:49:24
  You're stretching out nice. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Yeah. So in that sense, it's been that
• 1:49:30
  so defining. I went.
• 1:49:31
  Yeah, it's the little things in life.
• 1:49:34
  Everyone in first class. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:49:37
  I'm sure they'd be okay with it. But, ya know, like and then it's
• 1:49:40
  like, Do your two weeks of quarantine I think in total
• 1:49:43
  because I've been traveling, I've done like two months of
• 1:49:45
  quarantine e which is no fun for anyone.
• 1:49:49
  But I mean, I think we have enough Hobbies on the Goethe and
• 1:49:52
  I think that's huge. Like if anything this is just
• 1:49:55
  highlighted like hey if you have to like be locked down.
• 1:49:58
  If you have to be in your house, like you need to have some
• 1:50:00
  hobbies that you're excited. You can't just sit there and I'm
• 1:50:03
  sure like alcohol abuse and substance abuse, and things like
• 1:50:07
  that are just going through the roof.
• 1:50:08
  I would guess because there's not much to do.
• 1:50:11
  Do but like so you know for we have podcast and music and I'm a
• 1:50:15
  big artist myself like I've been I've done a ton of painting
• 1:50:18
  because it's just things to pass the time and yeah, I think
• 1:50:22
  that's one thing is like, you know, get your hobby, get
• 1:50:24
  something you can do irrespective of whether there's
• 1:50:28
  a pandemic or not. I've interviewed a couple of
• 1:50:31
  people from Canada and there's been not varying kind of
• 1:50:36
  responses as far as that the level of restrictions and stuff.
• 1:50:39
  And obviously, you know, it's the same in the say that it's
• 1:50:41
  dependent largely on on outbreaks and where the numbers
• 1:50:45
  are deemed higher or lower one of the restrictions like and
• 1:50:50
  what I've have they been like and what's the response been
• 1:50:53
  like to them in Toronto Canada? Yeah.
• 1:50:57
  Yeah, good question. So we went right into like
• 1:51:01
  lockdown around March time where everybody kind of locked down.
• 1:51:04
  The one thing I will say is that least in Toronto the the actual
• 1:51:09
  restrictions and rules aren't nearly as clear as they are in
• 1:51:13
  other places like even Eastern Canada.
• 1:51:15
  Does a really good job at laying down.
• 1:51:17
  This is what you can and can't do and I know there's some
• 1:51:20
  places in the UK that are like that too.
• 1:51:21
  Ours is very wishy-washy. So it's, you know, there was
• 1:51:25
  this whole bubble Talk going on for a while where you can only
• 1:51:28
  have 10 people in your bubble but then they weren't really
• 1:51:30
  clear as to like, what if I have one bubble but someone in my
• 1:51:33
  household has another bubble? Will it just?
• 1:51:36
  Yeah. Like it didn't really make sense
• 1:51:39
  and then we've been open for a long time like restaurants and
• 1:51:41
  all that was able to go back into business and just recently
• 1:51:46
  I think a week ago, yeah they locked down.
• 1:51:48
  All of Ontario. Now we'll before that we
• 1:51:50
  actually started on like a regional like yeah approach.
• 1:51:53
  So OK, everyone into like specific Ins.
• 1:51:57
  And then if you were, if your numbers were too high, we're
• 1:52:00
  going to lock them down. And then as expected, oh I can't
• 1:52:04
  go out to dinner in my region. Well, I'll just travel 20
• 1:52:06
  minutes it go to the next region where restaurants are still open
• 1:52:08
  and it's obviously happened and then.
• 1:52:10
  So now yeah, as of about a week ago, now we're like full
• 1:52:14
  lockdown, no restaurants nothing but as far as I know, there's no
• 1:52:19
  there's no curfew like we've seen in other areas of the
• 1:52:23
  world. We don't have a curfew, it's
• 1:52:24
  basically just They haven't even said if you like I think there's
• 1:52:28
  still a number out there that you can have a certain number of
• 1:52:30
  people over. Yeah, I don't know, but I'm not
• 1:52:34
  supposed to travel. You're not supposed to cross
• 1:52:36
  regions and drive and then everything shut down.
• 1:52:39
  Except for basically grocery stores in anything deemed
• 1:52:41
  essential funny, enough liquor stores and Cannabis shops are
• 1:52:46
  deemed essential. I mean, of course, right?
• 1:52:49
  Yeah. And my thoughts, exactly.
• 1:52:51
  Oh, no. Um, have you seen any kind of
• 1:52:55
  like Crazy responses in Canada, as far as people acting a bit
• 1:53:01
  crazy. I mean, obviously the prevailing
• 1:53:03
  Trend in most of the world initially has been you know the
• 1:53:07
  beginning of the pandemic has always been you know like
• 1:53:09
  stockpiling. All this ship is there anything
• 1:53:11
  else that you've seen for sure. We have an Idaho were, like, I
• 1:53:16
  don't really go out in public, so it's not like I've seen this
• 1:53:18
  firsthand but definitely on social media.
• 1:53:20
  You've got your strong anti masker, anti-vaxxer community.
• 1:53:26
  That are just, I think actually the other day I saw a video of a
• 1:53:29
  bunch of people. Right before we went into
• 1:53:31
  lockdown, dressed up in these white hazmat suits with a white
• 1:53:34
  almost almost V for Vendetta masks and they all walked
• 1:53:38
  silently through one of the malls.
• 1:53:39
  In Toronto with this big speaker playing like the government is
• 1:53:43
  your friend. You people are the Sheep's and
• 1:53:46
  Bubble Boy. Yeah that's just watch.
• 1:53:48
  That's probably happening today so people are yeah for sure
• 1:53:51
  they're the same flat earthers if they find something to
• 1:53:55
  fucking follow and believe Vin and sometimes it's just
• 1:53:57
  ridiculous but it is what it is. But yeah, I don't know the
• 1:54:00
  amount of people that all of a sudden have read one article
• 1:54:03
  online and are completely convinced that this is a
• 1:54:05
  conspiracy and they're not getting the vaccination, there's
• 1:54:09
  a huge. I would say there's a fairly
• 1:54:11
  large movement of people like that.
• 1:54:15
  Yeah, I think one for me, that is like I just don't, I can't
• 1:54:19
  grasp my head around, why you would do this.
• 1:54:21
  So one we had, we're going to go into lockdown.
• 1:54:25
  He says it on Monday, You know, numbers are so bad.
• 1:54:28
  We need to go into a province-wide lockdown on
• 1:54:30
  Saturday, and it's like, well, I don't get that, like if we need
• 1:54:34
  the province-wide lockdown, if things are so bad, like let's do
• 1:54:37
  it effective immediately right now.
• 1:54:39
  Like I don't get oh we'll give you one more week but it was
• 1:54:42
  because Christmas was here and we got to make a political
• 1:54:44
  people need to see their family and it's like, I'm really sorry
• 1:54:48
  but you don't yes know that that and then I don't get to with
• 1:54:52
  that leads into okay tomorrow night's lock.
• 1:54:56
  Up down. Let's hit the bars.
• 1:54:58
  Like let's hit the restaurants tonight.
• 1:55:00
  Let's do it all before we're in lockdown and it's like the whole
• 1:55:02
  point of going into lockdown is to try and keep everyone safe.
• 1:55:05
  Not like well let's get it all out.
• 1:55:06
  Well, we can and I just it's like those are the people that
• 1:55:10
  are making us go back into lockdown.
• 1:55:11
  It's like if everyone was just doing their part, you know.
• 1:55:14
  Being it'd be nice. But so that's something that's
• 1:55:16
  bothered me. Yeah, thanks for sharing.
• 1:55:20
  Let's go. Sorry.
• 1:55:22
  I can't get worked up on that fruit.
• 1:55:24
  No, no, I agree with you. I spin very similar in the UK.
• 1:55:29
  It's got me angry at times. But, you know, people just, I
• 1:55:35
  think it depends. You know?
• 1:55:36
  I mean, it's like you said about the rules being kind of
• 1:55:38
  wishy-washy. I think that like in the UK, I
• 1:55:41
  blame the government. A lot.
• 1:55:42
  Like I felt like in the beginning.
• 1:55:43
  Yeah, and demek Yeah, people didn't take it seriously, they
• 1:55:46
  took the piss, they still take the piss and that was annoying
• 1:55:49
  me, but I feel like the government here has never been
• 1:55:52
  clearer about anything. We've had the same sort of
• 1:55:55
  issues with like, you know, so unclear about how many people,
• 1:55:58
  you know, the bubbles thing. We have like things like, you
• 1:56:03
  know, there's a lockdown, but then schools are open and like,
• 1:56:06
  you can't be, you can't see your family but then, you know, you
• 1:56:10
  can be in a classroom full of 30 people or have like schools open
• 1:56:14
  with four. Andhra people like it's as
• 1:56:16
  contradictions contradictory rules things that don't make
• 1:56:19
  sense. And why do you think that is?
• 1:56:24
  Couple of reasons. I think that the government in
• 1:56:28
  general that we have right now is just very piss-poor at trying
• 1:56:33
  to like handle the situation as far as like making things more
• 1:56:37
  logical so we have the ability and the capacity to operate
• 1:56:43
  schools and universities like okay you can make a case for
• 1:56:47
  schools being open but like universities do not need to be
• 1:56:50
  open. You can do that 100% online and
• 1:56:53
  it doesn't make sense. Nstemi that like, they were
• 1:56:57
  completely done online at the beginning of the pandemic, but
• 1:56:59
  now they've been opened and like, why make that change?
• 1:57:03
  Yeah. And like, things like School in,
• 1:57:04
  like, I heard that schools were like reopened at one point, but
• 1:57:07
  only for essential workers families, which made total sense
• 1:57:11
  to me. Like, or if you've only got the
• 1:57:12
  essential workers out. Yeah.
• 1:57:13
  Have their children, their have much reduced like, okay.
• 1:57:16
  If you've only got like classrooms with like five or 10
• 1:57:19
  kids, that's manageable. But if it's like, the normal
• 1:57:22
  amount that we have in schools, I mean that goes against
• 1:57:25
  everything that we're telling people like what how is it
• 1:57:28
  logical that? You know we can't have you know
• 1:57:31
  people going to pubs bars music venues but then we can have 400
• 1:57:35
  kids together in the same spot. Like yeah you know they're all
• 1:57:39
  of those things and I've been questioning it since the
• 1:57:42
  beginning. We all have like I think if
• 1:57:44
  anything As much as there's a lot of stupidity out there and
• 1:57:48
  people acting silly, at least people are questioning and
• 1:57:51
  going, I'll hang on, that doesn't make sense and you know
• 1:57:54
  that doesn't add up and it's good, it's good to at least get
• 1:57:57
  people's opening their eyes a bit and not just following and
• 1:58:00
  doing whatever they're told because and that's the thing, if
• 1:58:04
  you do, if you're just the type of person that just does what
• 1:58:07
  they're told and follows the government such as instructions
• 1:58:10
  in the UK you'd be you'd still be confused because it's never
• 1:58:13
  clear. Like I remember the last
• 1:58:15
  address. Don't pay attention to them
• 1:58:18
  often because a lot of the time, it's just like, okay, we just
• 1:58:21
  have a lesson version of restrictions, or do we have
• 1:58:24
  heightened, it's always basically the same but I try to
• 1:58:26
  look out for that. The major changes that happen
• 1:58:29
  and the last major address that the Prime Minister made other
• 1:58:33
  than the Christmas stuff, which I could go into, like, a whole
• 1:58:36
  fucking argument about, but that's for another time it was
• 1:58:41
  before, as you. Yeah.
• 1:58:43
  But before he was about to put us into a second knockdown.
• 1:58:46
  Just for a month, he started laying out all the rules, right?
• 1:58:49
  And it was all pretty straightforward, but then he and
• 1:58:52
  his typifies, everything that I just said he kinda goes.
• 1:58:56
  Yeah. So you the, the rule of six
• 1:58:59
  still applies. You can't be in a group any
• 1:59:01
  larger than 6 and you can, you can you can't really mix with
• 1:59:06
  other households but you can mix with one person from another
• 1:59:09
  household and then he jumps to the next thing and I might hang
• 1:59:11
  on. Yeah, okay, let's back up a
• 1:59:14
  second. So you're saying Can't we can
• 1:59:16
  mix with other households but we can only mix with one person
• 1:59:20
  from that other household. Watch difference.
• 1:59:22
  Does it make if we mix with one person or 12 people from that
• 1:59:26
  other bubble? When they were all breathing the
• 1:59:28
  same air being in the same environment and makes no fucking
• 1:59:31
  sense? Augustus.
• 1:59:33
  It's been like, what? Nine months of that shit.
• 1:59:36
  Yeah. It's what if I live in a
• 1:59:38
  household with six people? So, does that mean we're
• 1:59:41
  excluded from having somebody else because we're already six
• 1:59:44
  or does that mean six additional?
• 1:59:46
  People can come in like it's very wishy-washy.
• 1:59:49
  I think part of it is is like, what you were talking about
• 1:59:51
  Christian? Is that there's no, there's no
• 1:59:53
  right answer to this. It's kind of like economics.
• 1:59:56
  Like every action has a reaction and it's not necessarily the
• 2:00:00
  right way to do it. There's no cookie cutter.
• 2:00:02
  I'll well, this is what we do in a pandemic.
• 2:00:04
  This is what works solution. And so what we're doing is
• 2:00:07
  trying to find the best way to manage it.
• 2:00:10
  And for governments, I always can't help but think that there
• 2:00:15
  has it. Meant to say one thing because
• 2:00:19
  they're not certain, they don't know.
• 2:00:21
  So they wouldn't they don't want to say okay this is the rule and
• 2:00:24
  then find out that they're wrong and now we'll just see really we
• 2:00:28
  were wrong. We stood by a decision but we
• 2:00:31
  were wrong. We fucked up like everyone makes
• 2:00:33
  mistakes you know that's not how politics works, right?
• 2:00:36
  Yes. Like you now we're not getting
• 2:00:38
  elected next year because red party's coming in and saying,
• 2:00:41
  well you guys fucked up and we're perfect.
• 2:00:44
  It's I don't agree with that, I think You're right.
• 2:00:46
  That's how it should be. That's how it should be.
• 2:00:48
  Yeah, but I think one of the worst Parts about all of this is
• 2:00:50
  that covid is not being handled from like a medical standpoint.
• 2:00:53
  And I know I'm certainly biased because that's like the industry
• 2:00:56
  that I'm in. But it's like, there are people
• 2:00:58
  that this is their job, they study viruses, they study
• 2:01:02
  pandemics for years and years and they're Specialists and like
• 2:01:04
  their advising decisions. And then the government is
• 2:01:07
  adapting it to what suits the needs of like politics and the
• 2:01:10
  government. And it's like, well no wonder
• 2:01:12
  it's not gonna work like, yes, I couldn't agree more with.
• 2:01:16
  State hearing that shit, you know, like it really started to
• 2:01:21
  angry. I was like, look that the we're
• 2:01:23
  in a fucking pandemic. I don't care about like your
• 2:01:25
  poll ratings or any of that shit.
• 2:01:27
  Remember, when Trump said that, he said, what did he say?
• 2:01:29
  Like, oh my like I know it's Trump.
• 2:01:33
  So like, obviously, it's ridiculous when he said
• 2:01:36
  something earlier, on, in the year about how his Daily Press
• 2:01:41
  briefings would getting like the highest ratings on the network.
• 2:01:44
  I was like, where the fuck is? Is your head man?
• 2:01:47
  Like what are you smoking? Like, fuck it up.
• 2:01:51
  That's my sense of like, unawareness and a lot of its
• 2:01:54
  money to like a lot of it comes from this, you know, I can't
• 2:01:59
  remember the word is, but it's these people that are pushing
• 2:02:01
  their agendas. So you've got, you know, the
• 2:02:04
  medical advisor telling you one thing and they're saying, well,
• 2:02:06
  this is what we should do. And then you've got all of the
• 2:02:09
  people who have paid for your entire poll, who donate millions
• 2:02:13
  and billions of dollars towards your movements saying Hey,
• 2:02:16
  that's not what we want. Ya watchin work for us, so fuck
• 2:02:20
  us over. Say goodbye to your hundred
• 2:02:22
  million dollars that we gave you last year.
• 2:02:24
  See his the thing. I agree with you and to, like
• 2:02:27
  fully address your earlier question about, like all, why do
• 2:02:30
  you think they've done that? Like, I honestly think a lot of
• 2:02:33
  the decisions that the government are making the UK
• 2:02:35
  now, a purely business driven, I mean, it's a business
• 2:02:38
  government. The conservatives are far right,
• 2:02:41
  but in the UK, I've always seen it as that.
• 2:02:44
  Conservatives, a business lady. Labor is more about the worker,
• 2:02:48
  so to speak, and that's fine. But like they already kind of
• 2:02:54
  fucked us with the first lockdown, which was necessary
• 2:02:59
  but it was, it came way too late.
• 2:03:00
  And like I said, the instructions were always off and
• 2:03:04
  like we the biggest mistake. I think we made was open
• 2:03:08
  essentially opening in the country pretty much up in some.
• 2:03:12
  I like it wasn't completely business as normal but But we
• 2:03:16
  were allowed to essentially have like, you know, bars open, you
• 2:03:20
  know, clubs all that shit. And I thought that was just the
• 2:03:23
  biggest mistake ever. Like, don't get me wrong.
• 2:03:25
  I don't want that, I never want that.
• 2:03:27
  I just want things to go back to the way they were, but like,
• 2:03:30
  yeah, decisions like that. And, like having Christmas as
• 2:03:33
  well. I, when I heard like, in the UK,
• 2:03:35
  here's what happened, right? Boris goes.
• 2:03:39
  Okay, so we come out of the second lockdown, so it's like
• 2:03:42
  early December and like everyone's like iskcon's
• 2:03:44
  Christmas going to happen is you're going to cancel
• 2:03:46
  Christmas, what's going to happen and he says about two
• 2:03:49
  weeks before. Yeah, we're get, you can have
• 2:03:52
  sort of a Christmas, but it you can only have like a restricted
• 2:03:55
  amount and it's according to your tea restrictions because
• 2:03:58
  we're all in different tiers, Regional tears.
• 2:04:02
  But it looked like we were at least getting something and then
• 2:04:05
  at the last minute, maybe like a week before he goes.
• 2:04:07
  As yeah. No.
• 2:04:08
  We're going to have to double back on that and essentially
• 2:04:10
  that he canceled Christmas essentially, you know, and like
• 2:04:14
  that. I know it sucks to be that guy.
• 2:04:16
  I'd have to do that, but he shouldn't have been giving any
• 2:04:19
  form of Christmas. In the first place, we should
• 2:04:21
  have just seen it as a write-off because we're not, you know, I
• 2:04:25
  hate to fucking agree with a government but like you know as
• 2:04:28
  far as like needing to adhere to rules and restrictions, I think
• 2:04:32
  it's very important and I think a lot of time with people not
• 2:04:36
  obeying the rules, I think it comes Down to like being sick
• 2:04:38
  and tired and wanting to get back to normality which I do
• 2:04:41
  understand. But definitely up to the
• 2:04:43
  government to make everything clear and make it consistent.
• 2:04:46
  And they have not made it consistent and they've always
• 2:04:49
  been a to blame and because of that, it's made things worse.
• 2:04:55
  Like I felt like that summer opening, Maids.
• 2:04:59
  I probably added another like six months to this already
• 2:05:02
  existing. Yeah.
• 2:05:04
  And I think we did the same thing here too.
• 2:05:05
  Yeah, I agree. We opened everything up.
• 2:05:07
  In summer, and it's like it's nice out.
• 2:05:10
  You know what? Let's open the patios.
• 2:05:12
  Let's open the. And it's like, why wait?
• 2:05:14
  We just shouldn't be doing that. I like them.
• 2:05:17
  And I'm very like straight. Like yes or no, do it or do, but
• 2:05:21
  it's like, so in this instance it's like, well, no, don't do
• 2:05:24
  it. It's just a terrible idea.
• 2:05:25
  There is a pandemic running around our country, though,
• 2:05:28
  entire world. And yeah.
• 2:05:31
  Like, I'm just, I'm just a strong believer in like, yeah,
• 2:05:33
  don't do. And they're like, well, what
• 2:05:34
  about the kids on Halloween? And it's like, you know, What?
• 2:05:37
  No offense, screw the kids on Halloween, they don't need to go
• 2:05:40
  house to house and get candy. Do it next year when there's no
• 2:05:42
  pandemic and hopefully, if we do it properly, there won't be one
• 2:05:45
  next year and then it's like everyone just went and then it's
• 2:05:48
  like, oh Halloween's done. What's the next thing?
• 2:05:50
  Well, Christmas, what's happening on Christmas and now
• 2:05:53
  Chris was done New Year's and it's like, there's always going
• 2:05:55
  to be a, what about the next thing instead of people just
• 2:05:58
  like being like, yeah, you know what, let's just lay low.
• 2:06:01
  Forget about all these things until it's time that we can do
• 2:06:04
  them. Yeah exactly.
• 2:06:05
  Like I I get so frustrated. Frustrated at people and their
• 2:06:09
  inability to be able to see things like that.
• 2:06:12
  Like I know not everyone thinks the same way.
• 2:06:14
  Fine. But yeah, why is it always like
• 2:06:17
  oh, it's genetics. Like it's like a petulant child.
• 2:06:20
  And you say to the child listen you can't have this thing and
• 2:06:24
  then you have to keep explaining to them.
• 2:06:26
  Why. And they going to but why?
• 2:06:29
  But what are you're just being mean?
• 2:06:31
  It's like that. It's exactly like that except
• 2:06:35
  it's a 45 year old man in your Dude just listen just listen to
• 2:06:39
  this happen. Yeah.
• 2:06:40
  And it and then they're like, well I don't believe the facts
• 2:06:42
  and it's like well you know right, yeah exactly.
• 2:06:45
  What do you do for a career? Because I don't believe it,
• 2:06:47
  there's no project. I don't even know what it is.
• 2:06:49
  Those people though it's just you may as well be talking to
• 2:06:52
  the wall like they're never going to listen to your opinion
• 2:06:55
  and change their mind. There's no support, there's no
• 2:06:58
  research, you can show them, that's going to get them to
• 2:07:00
  change their mind, they're just stuck in their ways and they
• 2:07:02
  know best and hey, why can't I have?
• 2:07:05
  We had a guy in Toronto. I don't know if it made
• 2:07:07
  International. Anon news, but we had a guy in
• 2:07:08
  Toronto who basically refused to lock down.
• 2:07:11
  He owns a small barbecue business, and he just said, no,
• 2:07:15
  this is you guys are full of shit.
• 2:07:17
  I don't believe any of your crap.
• 2:07:18
  I'm keeping my barbecue open, and I'm having people in and I
• 2:07:21
  don't care if they're wearing a mask or not, and it got all this
• 2:07:24
  hype. And then, of course, there's a
• 2:07:25
  huge following of those people who are like, yeah, I agree with
• 2:07:30
  him. We're all sheep.
• 2:07:31
  This is a ridiculous conspiracy. They're just trying to control
• 2:07:34
  us. I'm going to this guy's house
• 2:07:35
  for barbecue or this guy's barbecue place to get Sausage
• 2:07:38
  and it's just like you can't reason with those people.
• 2:07:42
  You can't reason with stupidity and yeah, eventually he got
• 2:07:48
  arrested and he he's yeah in the apparently he's starting a
• 2:07:54
  lawsuit against the state or the against the you know, the
• 2:07:57
  province or whatever but they've changed the locks on his
• 2:07:59
  business and it's developing all this hype.
• 2:08:02
  And now what eventually it's going to come down to is all of
• 2:08:05
  our taxpayer dollars are going to go towards paying.
• 2:08:07
  For this guy's stupid lawsuit because he decided to be an
• 2:08:11
  idiot about something, the more on but you can't ride my point
• 2:08:14
  is that you can't reason with those people.
• 2:08:16
  You just have to accept it and say, Mary, you know, I think the
• 2:08:20
  problem is that a lot people don't follow the rules, I don't
• 2:08:22
  know, it's that being a dead horse a little bit.
• 2:08:24
  But like you can you do kind of need to put like measures in
• 2:08:27
  place to like fully restrict people like and here in the UK?
• 2:08:31
  Yeah, I don't want to militarize State.
• 2:08:33
  Obviously, I don't want it to ever come to that.
• 2:08:35
  But like at the same time, I feel like people don't Should
• 2:08:38
  seriously unless you kind of have like army or police,
• 2:08:41
  they're going know, like janata mean, like you kind of in a way,
• 2:08:44
  you need that presence. You don't want Force, but you
• 2:08:47
  want someone going know to kind of reinforce that.
• 2:08:50
  Yeah, we should be fucking doing this.
• 2:08:52
  Yeah, in the UK, it's been like, hey guys, let's let's try to do
• 2:08:57
  this. Like please, please do this.
• 2:08:58
  Please do this pleased, and it's like no one's going to fucking
• 2:09:01
  listen to that. But come on, yeah, there it's
• 2:09:04
  very similar in Upland, so do Thing is supposed to be closed
• 2:09:08
  when I was there there in full lockdown, right?
• 2:09:10
  And they're not in it at the moment, but I bet they're gonna
• 2:09:12
  go back into it. By the time I get back there, I
• 2:09:14
  would guess. So, I'm like, okay, so I am in
• 2:09:18
  my house with my roommates and that's it and we're like trying
• 2:09:20
  to make the most of our final year and like study and we're
• 2:09:23
  going into the hospitals and stuff because, you know, in a
• 2:09:26
  couple months, like, that's our job.
• 2:09:27
  So we kind of have to be there and and I'm all cool with it,
• 2:09:30
  like the precautions are great. Anyways, so you're like, oh, you
• 2:09:34
  know, I would die for like a fresh Guinness, that would be
• 2:09:37
  be. Beautiful, and you just like, I
• 2:09:39
  guess we'll wait. Like, hopefully it happened and
• 2:09:41
  then I go into the city center because I have to write this
• 2:09:44
  exam. And there's a pub with like 200
• 2:09:48
  people out front of it and they're just serving pints of
• 2:09:51
  Guinness out the window and I was like oh okay and then I walk
• 2:09:55
  down the street a little bit more.
• 2:09:56
  Oh no, the Pub's aren't even supposed to be open Period.
• 2:09:59
  Walk down the street, a little more, another Pub served in
• 2:10:01
  pints of Guinness out the window.
• 2:10:02
  I'm like oh interesting, I'm like this seems terribly wrong
• 2:10:07
  then a bunch of Garda walk by do absolutely nothing about it.
• 2:10:11
  Right? They just and I'm like, okay, so
• 2:10:13
  this is just an Unwritten rule that you don't Like that.
• 2:10:16
  We're going to allow this to happen.
• 2:10:17
  Yeah. And I don't I just don't
• 2:10:19
  understand the logic behind that and then certainly there was
• 2:10:22
  like this one Pub by my house. That was serving it out the
• 2:10:25
  window. But there was a garden standing
• 2:10:27
  there just going, hey guys, you can't stay here.
• 2:10:30
  You can get your Pine again as and walk down the street, which
• 2:10:33
  is also illegal. Like you can't drink, alcohol in
• 2:10:35
  public in Dublin, but at least, I'm like, okay, at least there's
• 2:10:39
  not 200 people sitting outside of his Pub having a great time,
• 2:10:42
  right? Yeah.
• 2:10:43
  Yeah. And it's very strange.
• 2:10:45
  I was just like, How does this happen when it is illegal?
• 2:10:48
  It's against the rules and yet, no one's enforcing the rules.
• 2:10:51
  Even there, even the Garda, I was like, huh.
• 2:10:53
  All right. Yeah.
• 2:10:56
  Interesting and then I leaves and they go out a lockdown
• 2:10:58
  apparently. The bars are packed.
• 2:11:01
  And I'm gonna go back in like two weeks or so and no doubt
• 2:11:05
  they'll be like oh the numbers don't look so good back into
• 2:11:07
  lockdown, I'm great. You see that?
• 2:11:10
  You think that that, that whole mentality?
• 2:11:12
  Oh, we need to immediately try something and revert back.
• 2:11:16
  It's like, you shouldn't be doing it.
• 2:11:18
  You should like, you know, the rules just should be fixed until
• 2:11:23
  a time when week when we can essentially come out. and I
• 2:11:26
  mean, like right now, I mean, I don't want it that to be this
• 2:11:30
  way, but I would kind of expect us to, like, stay into in the
• 2:11:34
  lockdown until all the vaccines are given out.
• 2:11:36
  And then everyone's kind of like, I suppose, like good to
• 2:11:39
  go, so to speak. Yeah, you know, I'm kind of
• 2:11:42
  lifts everything and go back to normal and, you know, that's
• 2:11:46
  kind of what I want to happen and what I think is best, but it
• 2:11:49
  doesn't seem like we're doing that.
• 2:11:51
  It's just all fucked. Like, in the UK, like that tier
• 2:11:53
  system or told you about, like it's it's all over the bloody
• 2:11:55
  place as far as like knowing where you're at, knowing what's
• 2:11:58
  open It's not open. Yeah, pandemonium.
• 2:12:02
  Yeah and my prediction from like early on I was like watch a
• 2:12:07
  vaccines going to come out lots of excitement and it truly is
• 2:12:11
  exciting. Like I'm pumped for this and,
• 2:12:13
  you know, it's gonna take a few months to six months or so, get
• 2:12:17
  everything going. And I was like, watch the
• 2:12:20
  vaccines going to come out. People are going to lose their
• 2:12:22
  minds being like, Oh Perfect. There's a vaccine.
• 2:12:25
  We don't have to worry anymore. Not thinking like it's going to
• 2:12:28
  be like seven months. Yes.
• 2:12:29
  Before this vaccine takes its effect properly where we can
• 2:12:32
  like safely do what we were doing and everyday living.
• 2:12:35
  And then there's going to be another massive Spike because
• 2:12:38
  people are just going to not be vaccinated but like in their
• 2:12:42
  mind like oh everything's a little bit better, we have a
• 2:12:44
  vaccine coming out and then and it's kind of happening and now
• 2:12:48
  it now everyone's going back into lockdown.
• 2:12:49
  So interesting times we live in Yeah, to say the least.
• 2:12:56
  Moving things forward, would you say are the best and worst
• 2:13:01
  things about living in Toronto, Canada, and forget about covid.
• 2:13:05
  Pretend that's not a big issue for a minute, just in general.
• 2:13:10
  I don't know man. I don't really have much to
• 2:13:12
  compare to, I don't live in like.
• 2:13:14
  So I'm just going to talk about living in Ontario in general
• 2:13:18
  because we're outside of Toronto.
• 2:13:20
  I don't think I would, I don't think the city is I'm not cut
• 2:13:23
  for the city. I don't want to live like right
• 2:13:26
  in Toronto. That's just really busy and
• 2:13:28
  really hectic. It's very much.
• 2:13:30
  You know, like living on Oxford Street or something.
• 2:13:33
  Pardon my ignorance here but is I know Ontario's, a separate
• 2:13:36
  place. But is it like Toronto City and
• 2:13:39
  Ontario's like part of it. But outside of it or is it like
• 2:13:42
  areas The Province? So, take a state.
• 2:13:44
  Yeah, state within Toronto? No.
• 2:13:47
  No Toronto is in Ontario. So Ontario's, this big Province
• 2:13:52
  and then Toronto's is City inside of Ontario, ottawa's also
• 2:13:55
  in Ontario, you know, for the equivalent of like if we
• 2:13:58
  shouldn't the states then it's the sickest a essentially.
• 2:14:00
  Well, yeah. Ontario's like yeah.
• 2:14:06
  So we have a we have our own words for it for some reason.
• 2:14:09
  So we're in like Georgetown or Guelph which are just like
• 2:14:11
  smaller municipalities, you know, sixty thousand hundred
• 2:14:16
  thousand people outside of Toronto by 20, 30 minutes on a
• 2:14:20
  highway. So we're not far from Toronto
• 2:14:22
  but certainly not in that big city feel.
• 2:14:26
  I don't know though the goods and the bads, I mean, I enjoy
• 2:14:30
  it. I like Canada.
• 2:14:31
  I think we have a wicked Cottage area in Ontario, you know you
• 2:14:35
  hear about Ontario Cottage is like the Muskoka scenarios like
• 2:14:38
  that. It's just Absolutely gorgeous
• 2:14:40
  and beautiful. And the wildlife here.
• 2:14:42
  School downside is to me is definitely the seasonality of
• 2:14:45
  living here. Oh, I was going to say that's a
• 2:14:48
  positive for me. I, I love it.
• 2:14:51
  It's got its ups and downs, but the fact that it's hard to
• 2:14:53
  explain to people that haven't been here, but we get two to
• 2:14:57
  three months of really hot temperatures, like 30 degrees,
• 2:15:02
  we're in the UK, it would be heat wave that day and we get
• 2:15:06
  like, two two months of that. At least, then we have your
• 2:15:08
  falsies in which is like kind of gloomy similar to you know,
• 2:15:11
  Dublin every day of the year and then we have winter which is
• 2:15:14
  like Three feet, four feet of snow can get down to negative
• 2:15:19
  20. Just absolute freezing as if
• 2:15:22
  you're in the Arctic and then spring comes and then it just
• 2:15:25
  goes in this huge cycle where you have to be prepared for just
• 2:15:27
  heavy heavy winter and then also super hot summer, but on sounds
• 2:15:32
  perfect to me and II love it. Like that was actually one of my
• 2:15:35
  like I was gonna say it's a pile of snow but I also love the
• 2:15:39
  heat. I like the different activities
• 2:15:41
  they bring in. Yeah I do like that to and and
• 2:15:44
  for some reason it's just Just a massive talking point in Canada.
• 2:15:47
  Like everyone's just talking about the weather.
• 2:15:49
  Oh, gotta get ready for winter. You know, you get your salt for
• 2:15:52
  the driveway and it's like, share sure.
• 2:15:56
  Yeah, my girlfriend's parents are from like, no way north of
• 2:16:00
  Ontario, like, in none of it. So, like arctic's are way up
• 2:16:03
  there and they got - 70, like, two weeks ago, two weeks - 70
• 2:16:08
  degrees Celsius. I can't even imagine Anadarko
• 2:16:12
  glass, Aria house and all they just dress up.
• 2:16:15
  Appropriately. It's dark 24 hours.
• 2:16:17
  Oh, fuck that. Yeah, unbeli and not down for
• 2:16:20
  that. No interest.
• 2:16:21
  No, no winning HOH there this or like, for three weeks straight?
• 2:16:25
  Yeah. Middle middle is so great.
• 2:16:26
  That would that would fuck with you.
• 2:16:28
  That would that would be bad for your health of it.
• 2:16:31
  Yeah. For sure like throws off your
• 2:16:34
  whole circadian. Rhythm you need like UV lamps in
• 2:16:38
  the, in the periods of like Darkness.
• 2:16:41
  So that you're getting that like sucks, fake artificial sunlight.
• 2:16:45
  Canada's so fast. My unlike yes, especially people
• 2:16:48
  from Europe. It's hard to explain that from
• 2:16:50
  one end of Canada to the next end isn't extremely massive
• 2:16:55
  compared to European countries. It.
• 2:16:58
  How long does it take to fly from the east coast of Canada to
• 2:17:01
  the West Coast? We're talking, nine hours maybe
• 2:17:03
  at least 10, 10 11, 12 hours of flight I can drive 13 or 14
• 2:17:10
  hours North and still be in the same Province and see a
• 2:17:13
  completely different shift in temperature.
• 2:17:15
  Landscape. Wow like it's huge man that
• 2:17:18
  that's the cool thing in just for Dublin.
• 2:17:21
  As as perspective like people my friends there are like 45
• 2:17:26
  minutes is like a huge drive and I was like I used to drive 45
• 2:17:29
  minutes to work every day. Yeah like it did that for us
• 2:17:32
  that it's extremely normal. You can drive you know Dublin to
• 2:17:35
  Galway and like I don't like two and a half hours maybe that's
• 2:17:39
  the whole country the entire and driving.
• 2:17:42
  You know, driving Canada would be like three weeks of straight
• 2:17:44
  driving or something. Like that, like an outrageous
• 2:17:46
  amount of driving, but so different like you'd see such
• 2:17:49
  different Landscapes going through the Prairies and into
• 2:17:52
  the mountains. And yeah, it's wild and of
• 2:17:59
  us-canadian guests this before, but I think it's worth worth.
• 2:18:02
  Worthy question. Why Canadians?
• 2:18:04
  So nice. I don't know.
• 2:18:07
  Why isn't everybody else? So nice.
• 2:18:08
  Yeah, that's why you are so so yeah.
• 2:18:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're pretty. It's like, you got, you guys are
• 2:18:16
  known for being nice. And I got to say, like, every
• 2:18:19
  Canadian I've met Always been really nice.
• 2:18:23
  I don't know what it is. Yeah, I know a few assholes but
• 2:18:26
  yeah, of course, you're always going to find those people in
• 2:18:29
  general. I don't know if it's culture or
• 2:18:31
  Community or just, I don't know because I mean I feel kind of
• 2:18:35
  similar when we go to Europe, we've been to a number, you
• 2:18:38
  know. Ireland London France, Scotland.
• 2:18:41
  And generally speaking people are pretty receptive.
• 2:18:45
  I've always encountered fairly nice.
• 2:18:48
  Yeah, but we're also connecting, we're all soaking like you
• 2:18:50
  should run. How many people knew and in
• 2:18:55
  Dublin or anywhere? And they're like, oh, you're
• 2:18:58
  American lucky Taxi Driver. Oh, you're American?
• 2:19:00
  And I'm like, oh no Canadian. And they're like, oh sorry, I'm
• 2:19:04
  like really sorry. And I'm like, well, that's fine.
• 2:19:06
  Like we sound the same. I'm genuinely not upset that you
• 2:19:09
  called me American, but I think for the rest of the world,
• 2:19:13
  there's a massive divided between and maybe a lot of I
• 2:19:16
  think a lot of Canadians would play into that too.
• 2:19:18
  And be like we're, I'm not American but it's like I don't
• 2:19:21
  know, wouldn't I really hope they're like?
• 2:19:23
  Yeah, I think that if there's this really think Americans
• 2:19:26
  might take offense to being called Canadian potentially, but
• 2:19:29
  I think that probably really happens really desert.
• 2:19:31
  Like, yeah, they made actually traveling, like, I know, like
• 2:19:34
  there's been Americans. Also, like Canadian flags on
• 2:19:37
  their travel bags and stuff because you're just, like,
• 2:19:40
  received a nicer from from people around the world.
• 2:19:43
  I guess, I don't know, Finch. I think everyone should just be
• 2:19:45
  nice and and there were even better place.
• 2:19:49
  Go on back and couldn't agree more.
• 2:19:51
  I have to ask that question because it's so, yeah, just
• 2:19:53
  intrigues me. Now, this is a fun one.
• 2:19:57
  I've never actually asked any of my guests this before, but I
• 2:20:01
  think it's fun just to kind of like, Just look back on
• 2:20:07
  potentially, where do you guys see yourself in 5 years time?
• 2:20:14
  Still in Canada, that's good. I mean, easy answer for me just
• 2:20:20
  completing my training for Google which which is like I'm
• 2:20:23
  really bummed about that. Like finally like getting the
• 2:20:26
  job that you know what, 30 33 or something like that 31.
• 2:20:32
  But in terms of our like music and podcasts like I think it's
• 2:20:35
  just doing the same thing learning how to do it a little
• 2:20:38
  bit better. Each time we do it and like
• 2:20:41
  certainly music just like creating as much music.
• 2:20:43
  As possible. Like, I don't think that will
• 2:20:45
  ever be something that will stop.
• 2:20:48
  They'll be times of like not being able to put as much time
• 2:20:50
  into it as we'd like, and there will be times where it's like
• 2:20:52
  great. We have a ton of time to devote
• 2:20:55
  towards music but kind of just like, maintaining that building
• 2:20:58
  where we can getting better, where we can and see what
• 2:21:01
  happens in five years for me. Yeah, I agree.
• 2:21:04
  Same for me. Right back.
• 2:21:05
  I'm super happy with where we're at and what we're doing right
• 2:21:08
  now and I think just doing it better and bigger than we're
• 2:21:11
  already doing. In fact, I mean look how far
• 2:21:14
  we've come in a year and the podcast is only been out for
• 2:21:18
  two, three months. So I mean, five years from now,
• 2:21:22
  it's going to be pretty high production.
• 2:21:24
  I'm excited, it's fun to get into.
• 2:21:26
  So yeah I think just basically bigger and better than what
• 2:21:29
  we're already doing right now and maybe taking on more but
• 2:21:34
  yeah that's a guess we already give response.
• 2:21:36
  Actually I just love that question because I find it kind
• 2:21:39
  of hilarious generally. Like I've always usually
• 2:21:41
  experience that enjoy. Job interviews.
• 2:21:45
  And I always just think it's such a bullshit question.
• 2:21:47
  I mean. Yeah.
• 2:21:48
  Sometimes I like to joke and just think like or, you know,
• 2:21:51
  with your job or, you know, just like yeah.
• 2:21:53
  I've said that really in the One bank that I interviewed and they
• 2:21:57
  said, where do you see yourself in five years?
• 2:21:58
  And I said sitting in your chair and when he say laughing, he
• 2:22:02
  loved it, he thought it was hilarious.
• 2:22:03
  I got the job. Hey, I want to be here in like a
• 2:22:07
  year and a half so the real nice.
• 2:22:10
  Yeah. Sometimes confidence.
• 2:22:12
  Caught, there's a fine line between confidence and
• 2:22:14
  Cockiness. But if it's confidence, like,
• 2:22:17
  I'm confident enough to say this, but like, you know, that
• 2:22:19
  I'm kind of joking. But I'm also kind of not joking.
• 2:22:22
  I mean that the whole premise of that question though, isn't it?
• 2:22:24
  It's about. It's about goal and ambition.
• 2:22:26
  It's like they want you to kind of say, you know, with them.
• 2:22:31
  And yeah and why doesn't this known as silly with them?
• 2:22:35
  I mean like if you take marketing like my my field as an
• 2:22:38
  example, like either you could either say.
• 2:22:41
  Oh yeah, I want to be like her. Of marketing or you could be
• 2:22:44
  like I want to have my own marketing firm like there's
• 2:22:46
  different ways you could go with it and both are equally
• 2:22:49
  acceptable because it's like you're saying I have goals I
• 2:22:52
  have Ambitions I'm here for the long term you know you're saying
• 2:22:56
  various things with that answer. Yeah I was so that was one thing
• 2:23:00
  I was actually so I'm like in the middle of this like
• 2:23:03
  interview scheme and I was nervous about the state's
• 2:23:07
  applications because I'm Canadian, they can see that
• 2:23:10
  they're there. And there I was like, oh God,
• 2:23:12
  they're gonna Ask that and be like so why do you want to work
• 2:23:15
  in America? Like clearly?
• 2:23:16
  You're Canadian, wouldn't you want to work in Canada?
• 2:23:19
  And I was nervous about it and then I realized like they don't
• 2:23:22
  necessarily want to hear like oh I want to be with your program
• 2:23:26
  changing, the world like making representing your school like
• 2:23:29
  they just want to know that for the four years that you're I'm
• 2:23:32
  going to be there. I'm going to be a good fit and
• 2:23:34
  use it as a stepping stone to get to where I want to be like
• 2:23:37
  they want to see. I have goals and that your
• 2:23:39
  program suits those goals. Not necessarily like like you're
• 2:23:43
  going to be the best place and I'm going to work there for 45
• 2:23:45
  years and retire and I was like really nervous about that was
• 2:23:48
  like because why would they if they're just like oh you you're
• 2:23:50
  just going to use us to get back to Canada and and live there
• 2:23:54
  where you want to live and I was like, oh yeah, I should.
• 2:23:56
  And then they were totally cool with it because I'm not gonna
• 2:23:58
  lie. Like I'm not going to be like
• 2:24:00
  for you forever. Like I was totally like yeah,
• 2:24:02
  one day would like to be working in Canada and they're like,
• 2:24:05
  yeah, great. Do you think there's ever lucky
• 2:24:09
  As far as like, Americans didn't with Canadians?
• 2:24:11
  Like, do they ever hold that leg?
• 2:24:13
  And she guys, or like, is there any kind of?
• 2:24:17
  I don't know how to put it. Exactly, but like when you were
• 2:24:19
  talking then it kind of almost implied at one point that like
• 2:24:24
  He almost like it, you have it better in Canada, like why the
• 2:24:27
  fuck would you want to come to the states kind of thing, which
• 2:24:30
  is fair? I could see several arguments
• 2:24:33
  being made for that. And obviously it's well known
• 2:24:35
  how how patriotic Canadians are equally Americans.
• 2:24:38
  Are I just find that that kind of part of it quite interesting?
• 2:24:43
  I just wanted to know it is there like friction there?
• 2:24:45
  Li what's the deal there? Um, I would say not in like the
• 2:24:49
  medical profession and why I would be talking like that is
• 2:24:53
  because There's only four positions, you know, at their
• 2:24:56
  school and they have doubt, like 2,000 applicants.
• 2:25:00
  So it's kind of like a competitive nature of trying to
• 2:25:04
  figure out what are they looking for in their applicants.
• 2:25:07
  And if I'm just going to run off to Canada, am I just going to
• 2:25:10
  get looked over and not get this position?
• 2:25:14
  I certainly don't think like there would be at least from a
• 2:25:16
  met, I'm sure there is but no in the medical profession, I think
• 2:25:20
  they're more than happy to have Canadians.
• 2:25:22
  I'm more than happy to be there. Super supportive and it's
• 2:25:25
  actually been a great experience but I just didn't know like I
• 2:25:28
  just didn't want to be looked over because I want to work in
• 2:25:31
  Canada one day and then just be like well we want to train
• 2:25:34
  doctors that want to stay in the states and be like damn I
• 2:25:38
  instantly ruined my chances of getting your job.
• 2:25:40
  So that was from my perspective but I'm sure it exists in
• 2:25:44
  different different fields and stuff like that.
• 2:25:46
  No doubt. Yeah probably.
• 2:25:50
  Yeah. Thanks.
• 2:25:50
  Thanks for sharing that. I think you made some really
• 2:25:54
  good points there. I think, I think they're
• 2:25:56
  sometimes can be the stigmas between countries.
• 2:25:59
  I mean, it really depends as you sound industry and, you know,
• 2:26:02
  like a various different factors.
• 2:26:04
  But ultimately, a good company or a good industry will just be
• 2:26:08
  looking at, like, what works for them and not anything else.
• 2:26:12
  Really doesn't really matter. So where you are?
• 2:26:14
  It's more about that. What you can bring.
• 2:26:16
  And does it fit the mold and all that?
• 2:26:19
  That yeah, stuff. Exactly.
• 2:26:21
  And that's totally. I've never done an interview my
• 2:26:23
  life till this year and that's why the M26.
• 2:26:28
  So it was kind of like, oh, this is gonna be weird and it was
• 2:26:31
  like the most normal natural thing ever because they're just
• 2:26:34
  trying to like, it's not like you're trying to compete for a
• 2:26:38
  spa in school. You're like they want you there.
• 2:26:40
  They want the right person for the job.
• 2:26:42
  So if your work it, like they just want to see like if I have
• 2:26:45
  to work for this guy with 44 years, like am I going to like
• 2:26:49
  The guy are we gonna get along? So it was really like I've
• 2:26:52
  enjoyed our little. Yeah it was really cool not
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  intense at all huge. The first one I was super
• 2:26:58
  nervous and then it was like now I'm just like oh this is
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  exciting like at the meet, some new people may be weary and I've
• 2:27:03
  had a few were like, genuine connections with these people
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  and it's like, wow, that's a huge factor of whether I would
• 2:27:10
  want to work. They're not so massive.
• 2:27:12
  Yeah, it's been really cool. And I've been on the flipside
• 2:27:16
  before I've interviewed numerous times and hired for numerous
• 2:27:19
  positions and that's exactly what I look for.
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  I do, my vet, do a little bit of work, like find out.
• 2:27:25
  Okay, let me check out this guy's social media like make
• 2:27:27
  sure he's not doing keg stands on you know, Tuesday, afternoons
• 2:27:32
  and then. Yeah.
• 2:27:33
  Basically, I'm going to ask those silly questions like where
• 2:27:36
  do you see yourself in three to five years?
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  I really don't care what you say.
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  I could care less. You want to be in three to five
• 2:27:41
  years. I'm just trying to gauge.
• 2:27:42
  Like, how good are you at speaking?
• 2:27:44
  How good are you at? Thinking on the spot.
• 2:27:45
  And then are we going to Vibe? Is there a connection here and
• 2:27:48
  did I like you? I'm way more often to take the
• 2:27:50
  to take the person that I liked, if he's an equal candidate to
• 2:27:53
  the person who I have nothing in common with said this in the
• 2:27:56
  past pull cost before. But I filled it.
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  The saying that, you know, there was a statistic somewhere years
• 2:28:03
  ago or like a saying or something.
• 2:28:04
  That apparently the first 20 seconds of the interview
• 2:28:08
  decides, you know, whether or not you're going to employ that
• 2:28:10
  person everything else is just filler or as you say to get an
• 2:28:13
  idea of like, how did they? It react to this Bubba, blah.
• 2:28:16
  But yeah, the vibe and the chemistry is the most important
• 2:28:20
  thing and that's why I find it funny actually like a lot of the
• 2:28:23
  time there's been so many times when I've interviewed for jobs
• 2:28:27
  and like there was one earlier that because I've been
• 2:28:28
  unemployed the whole year. I've been freelancing and being
• 2:28:32
  an unemployment benefit and all that stuff and it's the first
• 2:28:35
  time it's ever happened in my life and I will obviously
• 2:28:37
  leaning more on to the freelance stuff and trying to make that my
• 2:28:40
  career because I just can't find a job as crazy as it sounds.
• 2:28:44
  Of a degree in three years experience, like it still blows
• 2:28:47
  my mind to this to this day. But the weird thing is,
• 2:28:50
  obviously, throughout that time I have had interviews here in
• 2:28:53
  there. And it seems like, you know,
• 2:28:55
  sometimes you really feel like you're going to get it, and then
• 2:28:58
  I'll go as one where I literally, Like it was all
• 2:29:03
  pretty much all but done, and they were like, yeah, we're
• 2:29:06
  going to call you later. You just going to iron out a few
• 2:29:08
  things bubbler and then that cool didn't happen.
• 2:29:12
  And then I get an email in the evening.
• 2:29:13
  Like, oh, hey, sorry, don't have enough experience, blah, blah,
• 2:29:16
  blah, and that always feels weird to me because a lot of the
• 2:29:21
  time when I walk out of a job interview, there's just the
• 2:29:24
  uncertainty you know you feel that it went well but you don't
• 2:29:27
  know either way but when you get those scenarios where you like
• 2:29:29
  oh yeah, no I feel like I've got it and then you Get, it is quite
• 2:29:33
  a sinking feeling and because you're thinking about a lot we
• 2:29:37
  really connected the vibe was there was good with similar
• 2:29:40
  people like surely they're going to want me but then you know I
• 2:29:44
  don't I guess they just click with someone else but it's
• 2:29:47
  interesting. It's very interested is
• 2:29:49
  interesting. I love them.
• 2:29:51
  One of my last interviews they asked me how so how much are you
• 2:29:55
  looking to get paid for this role?
• 2:29:57
  And I basically, just well. How much are you willing to pay
• 2:30:00
  me? And that just, that's called a
• 2:30:02
  few times. Well like no, no give me a
• 2:30:04
  number. Okay, cool.
• 2:30:05
  You give me a number first and then I'll tell you a number and
• 2:30:08
  it just I didn't want to tell you like, that's the toughest
• 2:30:10
  part. Yeah.
• 2:30:10
  Like evaluating yourself how do you say a number like, okay, I
• 2:30:13
  know like the ballpark of where these roles are at but like I
• 2:30:16
  think I should be near the top of that and then you say that
• 2:30:19
  number and you just tell by their face.
• 2:30:21
  They're like, oh yeah we're not forget you get Ash this.
• 2:30:23
  Yes, I think that's a fair thing to do, though.
• 2:30:26
  Like whenever I look at her, Roll eyeball know when they
• 2:30:29
  asked me that question. How much do you think?
• 2:30:32
  Like you know you should get for the role I look at like, well,
• 2:30:36
  here's where I'm at in my career.
• 2:30:39
  United. Here's what I've been paid
• 2:30:40
  before and here's what the average is.
• 2:30:42
  So I think I'm at this point and I'm always fair with it.
• 2:30:45
  I never go like okay, for instance, if there's like a
• 2:30:48
  marketing exec role and it's paying like 24 per annum, I
• 2:30:54
  would say, pay me 22, based on my current experience, I think
• 2:30:59
  that's reasonable. You know, you try go and like
• 2:31:03
  pretty much everyone I've spoken to on the phone.
• 2:31:05
  That, you know, unless they're lying.
• 2:31:06
  They always seem to be like, yeah, that's fair.
• 2:31:08
  You know, like the yeah, you're the kind of I've never heard
• 2:31:12
  anyone go. Wow.
• 2:31:14
  Or like, you know they wouldn't give it away but you know what I
• 2:31:16
  mean? Like they would be like a pause
• 2:31:18
  or like aha. Okay.
• 2:31:19
  You know, there's nothing like that.
• 2:31:21
  And I think you just have to be reasonable with that question,
• 2:31:23
  you know, it's a horrible question to receive but you do
• 2:31:26
  it. Yeah, it just be honest.
• 2:31:28
  Yeah, it's very real with yourself and your current
• 2:31:31
  situation and and in the market average as well.
• 2:31:35
  I don't undersell yourself either.
• 2:31:36
  I think a lot of people do that they think.
• 2:31:38
  Yeah. I said lower number.
• 2:31:39
  They're more likely to but then it can it can work against you
• 2:31:42
  if you say two alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:31:44
  This guy doesn't value himself. Like you're like, you're only
• 2:31:46
  worth 18 who is cheap? Wow, why should we employee its
• 2:31:51
  cheapest? Yeah, that's why I make them.
• 2:31:54
  Tell me the number you tell me - private, what are you gonna pay
• 2:31:57
  me? And then they'll say a number
• 2:31:59
  and you go okay cool. I want a thousand more than
• 2:32:00
  that. I'm like yeah okay it's like the
• 2:32:05
  guy from the pawn shop things like best I can do is Is 12 that
• 2:32:11
  you like, but okay. As we draw things to a close
• 2:32:17
  today, I want to just ask you, do you have any upcoming
• 2:32:21
  projects or some final thoughts that you'd like to share with
• 2:32:24
  our listeners? Ya go.
• 2:32:27
  Why drop? So one of one of my that we've
• 2:32:31
  been thinking about for a while and working on is kind of on the
• 2:32:36
  whole idea of like making a multimedia platform and one
• 2:32:41
  thing I'm going to be working on in the next like six months is
• 2:32:44
  Like a clothing line into it. Yeah.
• 2:32:47
  So it's something like I've, like I said, I mentioned before,
• 2:32:50
  like, painting and art and I love his on and it's something
• 2:32:53
  that I'm really passionate about.
• 2:32:55
  Like, I've drawn all my previous bands, like album covers and a
• 2:32:59
  few other pans and things like that.
• 2:33:01
  Like, I absolutely love it. So I think it just kind of makes
• 2:33:04
  sense in this. That it's like, hey, you can use
• 2:33:06
  these companies where with some overhead pay, you don't actually
• 2:33:10
  pay for the clothing individually and you can upload
• 2:33:12
  all these these You know, all of your logos and and make all
• 2:33:16
  these ideas and just have a website for it and kind of start
• 2:33:19
  from there and just kind of brand promoting and tying it all
• 2:33:23
  back into the music and the podcasting.
• 2:33:25
  So that's something that I'm, you know, hoping to get going in
• 2:33:28
  the next like, six months and then in 2021, hopefully get
• 2:33:32
  things rolling. Yeah, my side is likes to
• 2:33:35
  continue what we're doing obviously, but I think I'm
• 2:33:36
  working on a much better video content.
• 2:33:39
  We have got a lot in the work so I'm just trying to pump all that
• 2:33:43
  out as quick as I can. Plus we've got our EP, which is,
• 2:33:45
  I guess, I said, is like four or five, maybe six months out, so
• 2:33:49
  we're still tweaking some stuff with that.
• 2:33:51
  And yeah, otherwise want to continue hopping on, on other
• 2:33:55
  people's podcast because this is a lot of fun and you've had a
• 2:33:58
  great interview. I actually should stop and say,
• 2:34:00
  thank you right now for having us on the show.
• 2:34:01
  This has been fantastic as pleasure.
• 2:34:04
  You didn't know, we didn't know what to expect, you know, just a
• 2:34:07
  quick conversation and we're like, all right?
• 2:34:10
  Well, let's do it. Mark asked me before he goes.
• 2:34:11
  Well, what's it about? I'm like, I've no idea, yeah,
• 2:34:14
  he's Said he didn't need to prepare.
• 2:34:15
  So let's just go on it and and have a natural conversation and
• 2:34:18
  we like to we love these types of things.
• 2:34:20
  So thank you again for having us.
• 2:34:21
  This has been a blast and yeah, just look forward to seeing more
• 2:34:26
  of our stuff in the future. Yet, look forward to bringing
• 2:34:28
  you to Canada. Yeah, I would love to.
• 2:34:30
  I would love to come. And yeah, thank you so much.
• 2:34:34
  Thank you so much for agreeing to be on the show.
• 2:34:36
  It's been an absolute pleasure and yeah, I want to say to all
• 2:34:39
  my listeners, make sure to go check out the hearse Brothers,
• 2:34:42
  both their music and their podcast.
• 2:34:44
  As you can hear, they are great, guys.
• 2:34:46
  They are very interesting and have a lot to say, I feel like I
• 2:34:50
  talk to you guys for hours, if I'm honest, but there's only so
• 2:34:53
  many hours in the day. Definitely love to have you on
• 2:34:57
  the show again and I wish you the very best of luck in.
• 2:35:00
  And on that note projects would love to have you on ours as
• 2:35:03
  well. Would love to appear maybe you
• 2:35:06
  can review some of my music, I don't know.
• 2:35:08
  Yeah. Anyway you want to slice it?
• 2:35:10
  Yeah we'll we'll definitely keep in touch awesome.
• 2:35:13
  And yeah, I just want to say a big thank you to all of my
• 2:35:16
  listeners or Christian Reef podcast.
• 2:35:19
  Please. Make sure make sure.
• 2:35:21
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  Let me know what you like, you dislike, who you want to see on
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  the podcast. What you want to hear on the
• 2:35:31
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• 2:35:38
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  Something like that. It all helps.
• 2:35:51
  It all helps me towards eventually.
• 2:35:53
  Getting maybe a sponsor for this doing this for a living.
• 2:35:56
  That's the ultimate goal. So yeah, your support, your
• 2:36:01
  feedback and anything else is invaluable to me.
• 2:36:04
  And yeah, thank you so much for listening.
• 2:36:07
  And until next time. Peace out.
• 2:36:09
  One love. I'll see you in the next one.