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S3E23: Burnout · Black Ibis Social Club

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right, welcome to the Black Ibis Social Club.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host,
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Alexandru Constantin,
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: and we started a little bit late
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: because it seems like I was having some audio problems.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like I had to restart StreamYard.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't reading it.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys in the chat can give me a heads up and tell me that you can hear me,
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: that'd be great.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not talking into the void, which would be really, really, really interesting.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be really frustrating.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Were you guys able to hear the intro song, the song I was playing?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys heard that.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, whatever.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: We'll start all over.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I talked into the void for like a few minutes.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was eating.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was eating food, so it was fine.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was trying to eat some Chick-fil-A.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, Fisto's out there somewhere.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: He'll be here soon.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to catch up.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes stream art's kind of a pain in the butt, so I need to kind of reboot it.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, but let's start.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: So welcome.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's another beautiful day.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: We missed last week because it's been very difficult for me and Fisto to get together.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been just fantastically busy.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: I've even been chatting on any of my groups as much.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I've just been kind of like Between work
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  SPEAKER_01: and all these different errands I've had and my daughter starting school
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: and her starting up her dance classes and acrobatics classes and everything,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've just been really, really busy.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I just have not had a chance to do a topic.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And on days when Fisto's like, oh man, I've got all this work to do.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you know what?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: We can skip a week.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: We can...
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: If it's rough for you and I'm already having a rough time, we can do a week.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to be moving these live streams from Thursday to Wednesdays.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wednesday is just a better day for everybody.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have to move every year because of Fisto's kind of schedule and my schedule and
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: then my daughter's schedule.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd like to be able to take her to dance classes, take her to different sports stuff.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we try to like work between our afternoon or evening kind of setups.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: So starting next week, we're going to be moving to Wednesday, which is my preferred day.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I moved it for Fisto because he had something to do on Wednesdays, but now we're good.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but it's been for you guys in the South,
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: you guys are all, a lot of you guys live out here in the South.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's been just disgustingly hot, right?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's been like a hundred degrees.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, here in Southern California, here in South Carolina, it's felt like 110 degrees.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's been miserable, right?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like the other night we went on a, on a toad hunt, right?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, it's Saturday night toad hunt, right?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter and I,
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  SPEAKER_01: my wife,
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  SPEAKER_01: What a toad hunt is,
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  SPEAKER_01: is we basically take flashlights and we walk around my neighborhood
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  SPEAKER_01: and whoever spots the most toads wins.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I won.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I got nine toads.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it was so hot that I felt like I was drowning.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like I was drinking the air.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was clogging up my lungs just walking around in the dark.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty brutal.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't particularly hate it.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like it.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: It makes me want to drink.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: It makes me want to drink beer and smoke cigarettes.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: That humid weather gives me this urge for cheap light beer and cigarettes, but I don't know.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's just me.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if anybody feels like that.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: What I want to talk about before Fisto gets in here is why
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So for you guys in the chat, like anything though, right?
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you get used to it.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's pretty bad here.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: But when I lived in Japan in South of Tokyo,
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  SPEAKER_01: Japan was actually a lot more humid than here in South Carolina.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's something about the Kanto region of Tokyo that's really, really humid in the summer.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I got used to it in Japan.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then I lived in Papua New Guinea.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Papua New Guinea, you walked out of your hotel room in the morning and And you're sweating.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: You have to go to breakfast and you have to take a shower after breakfast.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's how bad the humidity is in the jungle.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is nothing.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it sucks, but it's definitely not like South Pacific kind of humidity.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm okay with it.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a bit of an amphibian.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a reptile, so I kind of enjoy it.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like it as much as I like the desert.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I really like the way the desert feels.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, Jason?
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so...
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Before Fisto gets here, he'll be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fisto will be here.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: He said he's going to be like a few minutes late.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was running late, like committing felonies or something.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, no, guys, he has been here live the whole time if anybody asks.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: He is live with us on the air right now if the police ask.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, but he'll be here.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: What I want to talk about was I wanted to talk about Clancy Steadwell's comment on Substack.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: Substack drama.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but not really, right?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Clancy had this post where he basically compared podcasts into AI slop, right?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: He said there's a lot of podcast slop and he put it in the same category
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  SPEAKER_01: as podcast slop or AI slop.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I really disagree with that, right?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if you guys remember,
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: if you guys have been following me for a while now, I'm an AI hater, all right?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not an AI hater because I think it's going to become like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Fucking Skynet or anything like that.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: From the very beginning,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've said that AI is just going to be fake and gay and be more annoying.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think the AI is not going to take over art or good stuff.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just going to inundate us with just...
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: The artistic equivalent of Chinese plastic crap.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think,
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys remember,
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: the one time a million years ago I went on,
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: what was that dude's podcast that I went on?
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  SPEAKER_01: That really annoying guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like one of the art ho bro guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Walter, whatever, on his podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the whole point was to kind of debate AI.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I I think he expected me to be like the AI doomer.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, he's a doomer.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I just said, no, it's going to be stupid.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be ugly and stupid.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think he deleted the podcast as long as he hates me.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: But my whole point was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's not going to like, oh my God, it's going to take over your jobs.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just going to make everything ugly and stupid.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And over the years...
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  SPEAKER_01: My prediction has come true.
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  SPEAKER_01: All the AI stuff is not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just slob.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just ugly and stupid.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't even believe for a fact that there's a whole story about the novelist
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  SPEAKER_01: that was supposed to get $2 million for his book.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: And people are like, oh, see, it fooled even the prize committees and stuff.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: But then you find out that the guy was black.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're like, no, it didn't fool them.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just happy that black guy wrote a good book.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like here's $2 million, right?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was just another like, I don't know.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: They're virtue signaling.
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  SPEAKER_01: They didn't read this shit, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's,
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the literary,
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  SPEAKER_01: like if any black dude that's like semi-gay or something puts out like a book,
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: they'll throw money at it, you know?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not shocking, right?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: It has nothing to do with the AI that they discovered.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was in spite of the AI that they did it, you know?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of took a bit of a – I got kind of butthurt about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not really because I like Clancy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But podcasting is not in a way slop.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not in the same category as AI slop.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: And here's why.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just because I've been doing this podcast for three years now.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's one that I genuinely enjoy podcasts, right?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoy podcasts.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoy listening to them.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I listen to a lot of podcasts on my drives.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: And Jason's is fantastic.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Jason and John Son of Dicks, their podcast together.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's fantastic if you haven't listened to them.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: I listen to the Brett Easton Ellis podcast.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's my favorite podcast.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Then there's the Art of Darkness podcast.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's Method and Madness podcast, which is fantastic.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: I like Red Scare, right?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of good stuff, right?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing, right?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I said this in a comment, and this is where I stand by it.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: The most autistic,
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: retarded autism podcast slash YouTube video of
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: a guy itemizing his Warhammer figurines is better than all the AI output combined.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, hands down, because it's human.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's all that matters, right?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, a human speaking or a human,
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: talking and communicating has more value than all the AI slop combined, okay?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I kind of tick, you know, because think about this way.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: My young daughter, she's, you know, she's an artist.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: She's a self-proclaimed artist, right?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: And when she brings me one of her artworks,
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: and it's like she drew her favorite anime character or some Demon Slayer character,
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: and it looks like it's done by a seven-year-old when she brought it to me, right?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's fantastic.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love it because it's her art.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's her communication, right?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's her vision of the world or of the things she loves.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: But my daughter can also go and turn on a laptop or pick up her tablet and,
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know, enter a prompt into a thing and create this like near perfect artwork.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: She can create a near perfect,
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know, Image of a Demon Slayer character or her other favorite anime or whatever.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: And she can print that and give it to me, right?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I made this.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: It has no value.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing of her in that, right?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a simulacrum of her ideas, right?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I feel, right?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: So the idea of like, Yes,
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of slop out there in the podcast world,
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: in the YouTube world,
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: but slop that is created by humans still has more value than AI slop.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because in a way, it's not the output of the AI that sucks.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's the fact that it's not human that sucks.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because theoretically, an AI-prompted novel can be good.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: But it's never going to be good because you're going to read it and you're going to know.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you know, it has no meaning.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I have a feeling that even if you don't know, the truth will come out in the reading.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's going to be something missing, something wrong about it.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, that's how I feel.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why, right?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: So the question is like, why do we podcast?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay,
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: so the other thing that kind of The
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: reality is,
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: in the last decade or so since I've been listening to podcasts,
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: some of the best,
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: most informative and edifying entertainment I've had has been through podcasts.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first podcast that I started listening to regularly was the...
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Hardcore history.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: I got into listening to podcasts while driving around with hardcore history.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I loved it.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I know he's kind of gone off the deep end and he's not great anymore,
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: but those early episodes were great.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: I still remember him sparking that interest in the Anabaptists and the
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: The best episode of Hardcore History is on the Munster Rebellion,
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: in my opinion, because it's such a weird kind of thing.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then from there, I ended up moving to more entertainment podcasts.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to Brett Easton Ellis.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's the author of American Psycho.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's a great guy.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he's super entertaining.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: He has a weekly podcast.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: He talks about movies and growing up in Los Angeles.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: He has some great guests.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's had everybody from Quentin Tarantino to Billy Corgan on there.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I've discovered so much great art and novels and movies all from listening
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: to podcasts, right?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: The Art of Darkness is another fantastic podcast.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've learned so much about authors and their lives.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: There are so many books that I own right now that were initially like And
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: that right there is the whole point, right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: The whole point is to share culture,
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: to not be gatekeepers of culture,
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: but be tastemakers of culture and have these conversations
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: that we can't have anymore because we are missing these third places.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't,
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know, turning up your nose at podcasts and this form of entertainment is stupid.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's just dumb.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And most of all,
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: podcasts, at least like this one and a lot of them, are just done independently.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, one guy doing them, you know.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just Jason studying and writing essays,
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: with John about the South and the Civil War and,
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Kansas and all this stuff,
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and it's done with love and you can listen to like Jason's podcast, right?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you understand that like he has a love and a passion for the subject.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: And that right there is more valuable than,
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: your a hundredth,
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: billion dollar adoration of the Odyssey or whatever Hollywood slop is out there,
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like, Dude,
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would rather spend five hours listening to somebody talk about,
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: the life of an author or something like that,
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: like on The Art of Darkness,
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: than spend three hours watching Matt Damon pretend to be freaking Odysseus.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's boring to me.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: For you guys that are new,
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: if you go all the way back in the archives,
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: there's a first episode of the Black Ibis Social Club.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is when it was still called the Dicenius Review, and then we decided to rebrand later.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: But if you go back, I kind of explained why I started this podcast.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I started this podcast because I miss going to the coffee shop.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's two things I really, really missed from growing up.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I missed the radio.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: And what I mean I miss the radio is I miss DJs.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: I always had this like, I always really enjoyed like talk radio in the morning.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like in Southern California,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: we had KROQ,
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Los Angeles,
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin and Bean,
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: and that stuff was always a blast,
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: like listening to these guys and they're picking music and they would comment
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: on music and they would do these shows.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: I always loved like the video DJs like in a,
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry guys, my cat's trying to kill me real fast.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Give me one second to throw her out real fast.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, my cat was walking across my computer.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I used to listen to these DJs, right?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I just really thought that was cool.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you guys Some of you are probably older.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: There used to be this television show.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually a Canadian show.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: So Lisa Kuznack probably knows this show.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: If she listens or she tunes in later, she can tell us what it is.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: There was this Canadian show, and it was a vampire show.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Forever Night.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: And Forever Night, it was a show about a vampire cop.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was a Canadian show.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was made in Canada,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: but I think it was on the Sci-Fi Network or something like that in the afternoon.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I used to love it when I was in elementary school, middle school.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: And in this show,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: there was this radio station that they would listen to,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: and this radio station was run by a vampire.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: And, uh,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: or some kind of entity that would always kind of like give clues to what was going
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: on in the city.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're a crazy night dweller in this city,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like in Toronto or something or Vancouver and all the vampires tuned
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: into like the goth radio and in between me,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: like weird vampire goth music,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: you would have these like And there's like DJ,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a woman if I remember correctly,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: that would kind of give clues to like the serial killer stalking the streets
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: or something like that, you know?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was such a cool like...
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like a cool trope.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the X-Files kind of used the whole thing with the lone gunman and the message boards.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: There was a bunch of like role playing.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I always loved that trope of like the DJ or the late night radio station
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: that had clues, you know, that people followed.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's that really famous...
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Radio program called Coast to Coast.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys are familiar with that,
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: where people would call in about like alien abductions and conspiracy theories and
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: that whole type of thing.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's just such a trope that I think is just really cool.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: The trope of like the late night guy hopping on like The radio waves in the middle
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: of the night.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, the only people listening are like the weirdos.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: on the other side of like the static,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: there's something strange going on or there's communication.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can do the same kind of trope with like a message board,
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: like a Reddit type thing or,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: like a chat room where people go and post,
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like a Facebook, like town square or whatever, right?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that'd be kind of cool.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's like horror sci-fi story, right?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like the, The local town square message board were like, you know, women.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways, I really, really, really, really, you know, enjoyed that.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed that trope and I enjoyed the idea of the DJ.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: And San Diego, if you lived in San Diego, there was a really good.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Morning talk show that I used to listen to before going to work sometimes when I was
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: in San Diego.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I really enjoyed it.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: But they're all gone now.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: They all got fired.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: They got laid off.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's been replaced by AI.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the loss of the DJ is like something.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just really sad.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's this listening to music and having like,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Playlist and stuff is cool,
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: but it's so much better when somebody else is picking it up for you.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: When somebody else is sharing what they like with you.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Spotify does the AI DJ stuff and DJX or whatever,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: but it's so much cooler when you get a playlist like a Like a cassette tape
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: from somebody you used to know.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, hey man, you should listen to this.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is good.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: You will like this.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or I like this.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Or this is what I listen to.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's just something extra...
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the elements that kind of made me want to do this podcast.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I want this DJ connection thing.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And this live thing we're doing right now, I think is really cool.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: I really think it's cool, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Over the years, it's become one of my favorite parts of my week.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I look forward to reading the comments.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we'll have 20 people in the chat,
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: and then other days we'll have 300,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: 400 people, and it's like I can't keep up with it.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just enjoy this.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one element.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: The other element is I grew up in Long Beach, California.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, welcome, Fisto.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, what's up, man?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about...
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you were listening at all, but we were talking about... Just
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: for a moment.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I was hearing all the parts about how you love Fisto and that this is
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: the greatest part of your life.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I heard.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is the greatest part of my life.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're talking about why we're doing this podcast.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're kind of answering them.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we talked about how I missed the idea of the DJ.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I missed the idea of...
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: and honestly, man,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: if I had money,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: if I had money,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: guys, right, I would do a live stream show where I'm like spinning music.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: But of course, you have to have licenses and how cool would that be?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I could just spin music on like-
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Old school radio show.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be like a Fisto and Alex dubstep hour or
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: something like that.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, goth rock, death rock from the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've always wanted to be a morning talk show host.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: I just, like, I've always thought, man, what a cool job to just get on the radio.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I could do the fart noises,
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: and I could just kind of be, like,
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: that fucking moron,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: like, in the corner, just doing dumb shit, and then you see all the important stuff.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to King Retard, 106.666, spinning the greatest, hardest,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Most wicked goth music from the 780s and 90s, a club depravity on
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Substack.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: That would be the coolest thing.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: What would it take to be able to spin music on Substack on Livestream?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's got to be a law, right?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: We'd probably go to jail.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like 30...
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have to look at the,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: I know radio stations like pay royalties and stuff, so I
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: don't, you know.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: We should give it a go and, you know, hope nobody notices.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like a college indie radio station, right?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pirate radio.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just whatever.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Paying money.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be cool as fuck, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I would totally do that.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a huge record collection.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've got all kinds of music.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm spitting all kinds of mad tunes.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Alex, Alex, they can't sue you for all your worth if you're already flat broke.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, man.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: They will take my bone marrow straight to Israel or whatever.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: They'll pulverize your bones.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to milk your bone marrow.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Those vampires will figure it.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not messing with record companies.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not messing with record companies, bro.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Are you crazy?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Those are owned by like Weisensteins and shit like that.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Straight.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Weisensteins?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: What's the word of Weisensteins?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Weisenstein, you know?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Weisenstein.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I said Reis.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Rabbis and shit own the record companies.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not messing
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: with it.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Should I drink water or do I need to crack open a beer?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: You need to crack open a beer, man.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's 110 degrees out here in South Carolina, man.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: I got this local cream ale.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like one of my favorites.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: In SoCal,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: there used to be this,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's still there, but we'd have to ask, what's his name down in SoCal?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: But then there was this beer called California Creamin' and it was like
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: a vanilla cream, like light beer.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so good.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So good.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's crisp and creamy.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you ever make your way out this way, there is an actual, legit, decent micro-brew.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Just up the road.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So like middle of the swamp, still got a good microbrew winning.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Is it all just IPAs though?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm tired of IPAs.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, they have an IPA, but like, no, this is big.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like lagers and cream ale and stouts and they got everything,
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: man.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's a good one out of Atlanta that sells beer out here and that's really good.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot what it's called, but I always get the one out of Atlanta.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the beer was a good idea.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Chad.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I wish I would have gotten the beer.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the other reason we started the podcast,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: and I explained this in the episode zero of the podcast,
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: if you want to go back to episode zero, it is actually labeled as episode zero.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's no guest yet.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: So growing up,
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: besides wanting to be a radio DJ on Coast to Coast and talk about alien abductions
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: and butt pros or whatever they talked about on that,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: or to be a lone gunman on the X-Files podcast, Did you ever want to be a lone gun?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I wanted to be.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to be Mulder.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be one of the lone gunmen.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of my thing.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of wanted to be the cigarette smoking man, to be honest.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I wanted to be, too.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be the lone gunman.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: But besides that, I...
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Used to hang out at a lot of coffee shops.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, I grew up in the 90s.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I came of age in the 2000s.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a true millennial, as in like, I turned 18 in 2001.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so I'm a true millennial.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I came of age in the millennium.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I grew up in the 90s, right?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the 90s in California were,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if for you younger guys,
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: you guys probably aren't going to believe this,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: but it was the era of the coffee shop.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that, Fisto?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think Friends started that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Everything was coffee shops.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: The Punk Rock Coffee Shop.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: That was the thing in Cleveland.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Punk Rock Coffee Shop.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: And there were so many cool ones.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: There was that one punk rock coffee shop with like the really hot goth chick
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: and you were just like, oh my God.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: But you were talking to her because you were a pussy.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I talked to her.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that was just me.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that was just me.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I talk.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I talk.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's usually my girlfriend.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or I work there.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Best job ever.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So there was a few good ones where I lived there.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: I started going to coffee shops when I was in middle school
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: because there was one right down the street from our house.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: We used to skateboard to them.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: We used to hang out there.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I was like an eighth grader and this girl I had this huge crush on.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Her name is Marcy.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: I miss her to this day.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Marcy?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: I had a crush on a Marcy.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: She was hot.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Marcy was like the good blonde girl.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she was a brunette.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: She wanted, she was like, let's meet at the coffee shop and drink coffee and talk and stuff.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I went, I was so nervous, right?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: That I actually drank like maybe 12 espressos or something like that.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know,
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: like, you know, Americano espresso or no, actually I was drinking red eyes, right?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like red eyes, which for you guys, I don't know what a red eye is.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's a, it's a cup of black coffee with a shot of espresso in it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: You drink 12 of those?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I drank like 12 of those.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was so nervous.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Did you explode when she showed up?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, it was during our conversation.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I probably talked like a million miles a minute.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember I went home that night and I fell asleep with my eyes open, right?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was actually dreaming with my eyes open, right?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was like Russ Cole.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like Russ Cole and motherfucking true detective.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't sleep.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just dream.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm sitting there fucking wide awake like,
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I drink a lot of coffee and even
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: after like two red eyes,
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't imagine 12.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have cut down to only two pots of coffee a day.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Only two.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I like, and I've been drinking the, you know that Mexican brand, Bustelo or whatever?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love that Bustelo.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's my brand, boy.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's my brand too because you can buy the big old yellow jug.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Bustelo.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: You try the green stuff?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I try the green stuff.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the green stuff's great.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the best coffee you can make at home,
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: the best method of coffee brewing at home is the French press.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem with the French press,
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can't get enough volume because what I do is the night
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: before I prep my coffee maker, And it's fresh and ready in the morning.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have one pot of coffee.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have one big mug of coffee.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then I fill up my to-go Starbucks.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I have one of those metal ones that's really cool because it's the California one
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: and it pisses off all my coworkers because I have a California one.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: But then I also have another travel.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I have two travel mugs, one for work and one for The drive to work.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I drink an entire pot of coffee before leaving the house basically.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then I usually have another pot of coffee at work when I get there.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll have like a few Red Bulls when I'm there too.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have gone,
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've become much better because I used to drink like two pots of coffee
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: before bed back in the day.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, I drank a lot of caffeine.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I used to just drink espressos for fun.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm old.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm no longer fun.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: My coffee routine is get to class or get to school, go fill up.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: I actually only drink about three quarters of a pot, but I drink it real dark.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't put any sugar in it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, no, black coffee all day.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Which, like,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: freaks the students out because I think I'm the first person that they ever meet
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: in their life that drinks coffee black.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then among the faculty, my brew is getting to be known as Jet Fuel.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, yeah, it's just Jet Fuel.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Watch out, man.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Good times.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just love caffeine.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't quit caffeine, man.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: I quit everything else.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: But caffeine, I won't quit.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, not going to happen.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Caffeine doesn't like a quitter.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, it's just, yeah, it's like, you got to have something.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I also enjoy, I did, you know, for my own, one time I went and saw a witch.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Did I ever tell you this?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a witch one time.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: There was this like a tarot card reader holistic medicine witch in Ventura County, California.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And a friend of mine said, hey, man, you have to go see her.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she's really good.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she's going to do some weird stuff and she's going to like,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know, she's going to do some stuff, you know.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I go to this herbal supplement witch store, right?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I expected some old ass hippie, right?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was like this young girl.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, oh, we're going to do reflexology.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what reflexology is?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard of it.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: I just can't remember.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like Chinese.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Chinese black magic,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: where like they like they like basically like feel your feet and they kind
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: of do like a foot massage thing.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they can they can diagnose you.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Chinese traditional medicine,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I'm actually going to get a link to this place where I want to.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, speaking of weird, speaking of stuff, I was standing here in just my boxers a minute ago.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought chat would like to know that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: I got home.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm changing right now, guys.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: You're basically at home with me in my closet right now, fellas.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: We're just hanging out, talking about which stuff.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let me tell you,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: you have to cut and paste it because, you know, it's Substack, stupid, right?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: But this is where I went, right?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you cut and paste it off the chat.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so I went and saw Emma, right?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take over a minute.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I saw Emma and I booked her and everything because this Master Chief in the Navy,
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: he's like, no, you got to go.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: You got to go.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's amazing.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I went there.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: Are Emma's always hot?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember if she was hot or not.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: I have like a 50-50 with Emma's.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's just young, you know, she's younger than me, right?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: And like normal looking, there might be a picture of her on here, I don't know, right?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: She's still working there.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: She has to still be working there because it's like named after her, right?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like that'd be weird if she doesn't work on her own.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see if there's a picture of her.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: This feels like a very cyberpunk kind of business too.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like she was basically like, you know, like the girlfriend, the girlfriend from cyberpunk.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: What's her name?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was very much like that, right?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the tarot card one.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the tarot card girl, right?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, so she's like feeling my feet or something and all this junk, right?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Watch, watch.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's going to be with Substack Cliffs.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so her name was,
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: if you go to the about page, like more, and then there's an about page, right?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's like pictures of them, and I saw Sarah.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I saw, right?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's the owner, right?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can see it on the website.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'll check in a minute.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: And she's all like, she does some black magic on my feet.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, how much caffeine do you drink?
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus, your adrenal glands are fried.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I went, what?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: How do you know?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: She goes,
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: you're so bad on caffeine intake that like,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you stop drinking caffeine throughout the day, you immediately go to bed.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, wow.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: How'd you know?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember she didn't ask me anything or any of that stuff, right?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Can you just feel your caffeine aura?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: She said that my adrenal glands were fried.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, okay, I don't, you know.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can see your adrenal glands popping out of
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: your back.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: The whole adrenal gland thing is a dubious medical,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: but it's like my pinatal gland being open because of the fluoride or whatever,
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: whatever.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, your third eye chakra had been
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: overcapitated.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Basically,
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I fried my adrenal glands,
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: which by the way,
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't know where your adrenal glands are, they're on top of your kidneys.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: You have two of them.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what's interesting now?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: My adrenal glands are calcified because I was looking at a CAT scan I had of myself
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: because sometimes I like to get weird imaging on myself and look inside my body.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, who doesn't?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Who doesn't?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't want like a week's worth of radiation for fucking shits
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: and giggles except me, right?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is aristocratic behavior.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: You radiate yourself at work for fun?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: BPD art host?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: X-rays is where it's at.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I get CAT scans and MRIs on myself for fun.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking through a CAT scan,
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: actually after I talked to Emma's herb and my adrenal glands are calcified.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now, calcification in your adrenal glands indicates a history
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: of like some significant infection and I've had some like bad infections.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: I had a liver abscess one time,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: which I got from drinking well water in Afghanistan and almost dying.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Had to get that coffee.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was pretty impressive that she knew that I was not only...
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was drinking so much caffeine back then when I went to her that I would get home from work.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know those giant Red Bulls, the biggest can you can get?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: I used to pound one of those and then take a nap.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: God, just like pound one and nap, right?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Pound one and nap.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hold on.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: I got to drink this Red Bull.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I need a nap.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's how much caffeine I was drinking.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Red Bull gives you Zs, not wings.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: I would drink Red Bulls before bed.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And when I'd go out drinking, I'd drink Red Bull vodkas, you know?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, Red Bull all day.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love Red Bull.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: I still had a Red Bull today.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what's the funniest thing for me, man?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Is the fact that we're friends,
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: but in high school, I would have been like, you're a fucking drug addict.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Stay away from me.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not hanging out with him.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: He does drugs and talks to girls.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Are you crazy?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: I did not do drugs that much, right?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: That much, that much.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't moderately...
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking to the good little Christian kid who's like, yeah, drink beer?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: Are you crazy?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go straight to hell.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know...
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can never afford drugs.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was too poor to afford drugs.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Drugs are expensive.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's for rich kids.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I did cocaine once and I was like, oh, God, this is amazing.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can't afford it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: That was the one experience I had with morphine.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, no, I can see why this is not to be recommended for recreational use.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be sucking dick for this shit if I keep it up.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, nope, nope.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just want to feel it.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: I want to feel it.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fine.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I was
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: morphine first.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: If I was me,
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: if I was me,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: but a girl,
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: like if I was a female,
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: and I was like an attractive female,
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: I would totally be a drug addict because I'd like be able to get drugs for free,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know, by partying and stuff.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: But as a dude, as a straight dude, a straight dude doesn't get free drugs.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: If I was a gay dude, I'd get, I'd get free drugs all the time when I was young.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was pretty.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I showed you guys pictures of myself in my,
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: my twenties,
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was a,
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Alex, Alex, Alex, the straight dude pays for drugs like the fat chick pays for sex.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's how that is.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's the truth of the universe, my dudes.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened when I was hanging out with my rich friend and we went on
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: a little Coke binger for a few days.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, man, that was amazing.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realized, I'm like, you know what?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not Jewish.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot afford this.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: My friend was.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's where he had to come.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can't afford this shit.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't got Hollywood Jewish parents.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be doing things for this, which are of criminal ways.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I have a question.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think I know the answer.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're a gay Jewish guy, do you pay for coke?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's redundant.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't pay for coke because you're a Jewish dude.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: You'd be like, nah, discount.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, and you're getting it, unless you're old and ugly, right?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you have to be, like, cute, right?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be, like, a twink, right?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just be, like, an ugly dude, you know?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's the ugly dudes that are paying for it and buying it for,
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: like, the cuter guys, you know?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: But as a straight dude, you don't even have that opportunity.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: As a straight dude in Los Angeles, you're just a guy from under the Silver Lake.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: You just go to the party,
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: and you might get the cookie,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: but you get to hang out with Balloon Girl, and that's it.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get invited to the creepy party.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: My skin crawled when you were saying that.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: The old dude just... Yeah.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: No thanks.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got sidetracked.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about witches and drugs.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the value of podcasting.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, what I was saying, what I was saying.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, real quick, real quick, real quick.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of like last episode, 15 minutes after I arrived, Silver Lake posting.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know, I know.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Straight to it.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: There are no breaks.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: There are no breaks.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: I do just love, I just do love that movie.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was actually looking at like.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great movie.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, dude, check this out.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to get to it.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to get to it.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: But today in class, we got on the topic of movies.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: And some of my kids were like, yeah, we like old movies.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Hitchcock?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, who?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I got really mad in class.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, listen, I'm signing you homework right now.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then I threw four Hitchcock films up on the board, said, watch these.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Watch these and get back to me.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: What is the best Hitchcock movie?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, well before, okay.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: So the four,
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: cause remember this is in like the blood coffee haze of teaching, but,
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: um, I, uh, the four films I threw up on the board cause they said they liked horror.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I put psycho up there.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's a classic, right?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's like, that's the horror movie, right?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I put rope rope is, is, is, is, is a personal favorite.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Rear Window, I really like that one.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then North by Northwest because I love Cary Grant because he's a fucking sleaze,
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: total sleaze bag.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I just, I really enjoy those four films.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I threw them up there and said, go watch it, you plebs.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I have actually a question for you.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: I have a question.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: And this is a question for everybody in the chat and I would love to hear it.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: What is the first movie You have a memory of seeing.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a movie that was seared into your brain that you had images from
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: when you were a little kid?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: There's one that I can't think of.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: It was some animation and it was really creepy and it had existential dread in it.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I was watching it, but I can't remember the name of it.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: But the two films I can say right off the bat, Transformers the movie.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the cartoon?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the old school original one, the one with Leonard Nimoy in it.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: The one that was Orson Welles' last acting role before he died.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: That one.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: And Batman, the original Batman.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the one with Michael Keaton, the Tim Burton Batman?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was my first PG-13 movie.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's why that stands out to me, because it was like a big deal.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to get to watch a PG-13 movie.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, that was 1989.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think the movie was a rated R movie, dude.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Was it?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Was it rated
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Was I only told it was PG-13?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's entirely possible, knowing my family.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Team Pimp Batman made me...
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, it's PG-13, yeah.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: I thought so.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: My memory serves.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like... Is the Returns rated R?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: It might have been.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: I remember seeing Batman Returns in the theaters.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I remember my mom and dad took me to that.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the PG-13, too.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Batman Returns was kind of scary.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I watched it with my daughter,
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: and she thought The Penguin was scary the first time you watched it.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of scary the first time
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: you watched it.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was so good.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Him and Michelle Pfeiffer steal that movie.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, they kill it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Michelle Pfeiffer is so hot in that movie.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about that at work today.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about Batman today?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I was talking how much I hate Michael Nolan movies
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: and how much I hate Anne Hathaway.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what I was telling my friend.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: He kind of argued with me, but then after I put down my point, he agreed.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: He succumbed to my logic and agreed with me.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: He succumbed to the superior wisdom.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because he is 23.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 23-year-olds
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: don't know anything.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I said that Anne Hathaway is beautiful, right?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: She's a very beautiful woman, a very beautiful woman, but she's not hot.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: She's in a... Anne Hathaway in a way is kind of like Tom Cruise.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Cruise, he exudes anti-sexuality.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen in Vanilla Sky that kind of sex scene he's in or whatever?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost opposite of sexy because he's really weird and kind of gay and weird,
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: but he's not...
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: Tom Cruise is an asexual being.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's just Tom Cruise.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's no sex drive.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: There's no sex appeal.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: I feel the same way about Anne Hathaway.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: She's beautiful.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't – she's not like hot, right?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if you compare her to somebody like,
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: for example, Alexandra D'Addario, right, from True Detective or White Lotus, right?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm talking about, right?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think so, yeah, yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: She's kind of the same type of like body type and – She's kind of like
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: a poor man's Anne Hathaway, really.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: She's so much hotter.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: She's not as beautiful as Anne Hathaway, but she is hotter.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the problem with Anne Hathaway, Catwoman is all about S&M kink.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Even the original cheesy Batman,
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: the show, the one with Adam West, it still has a kink kind of element to Catwoman.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that whole show was kind of like that though.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: The Adam West Batman was a little...
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a little fruity, a little homoerotic, a little bit, you know?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 100%.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was a little bit of that going on,
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: a little butt-tapping, a little bit of S&M there going on.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Robin, how are you doing?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: You got to pay for your meals, man.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: You got to pay with something.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, here's the thing.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Hathaway has catwoman.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Zero sex appeal, man.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's just nothing.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's just not like, you know, she's just so...
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's just something dull about her, right?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is it Anne Hathaway or is it the culture?
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like Michelle Pfeiffer was allowed to be hot,
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: but that was
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: okay.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like, I don't know, man.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, let's say like you had, I don't know.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's her name?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: What the hell's her name?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sydney Sweeney as Catwoman.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be hot.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be hot.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just by default.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: I can picture it easily.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, easily, you know?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: really funny.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest, Sidney Sweeney is not as beautiful as Anne Hathaway.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Hathaway is much more beautiful.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't see her as a cat burglar.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't make any sense.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's just stupid.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't like those movies at all.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of it to do with... Michael Nolan himself as a director is very...
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: My buddies are trying to convince me to go see the Odyssey in an IMAX.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't want to go.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted me to go see two movies.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: This last two weeks.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm kind of being a jerk because I'm like, no.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is a hard no.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not interested.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to see Spider-Man.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I heard it's good.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: I heard it's good.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't care, bro.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't care.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: I've already seen Spider-Man like 15 times.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I've already seen Spider-Man.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I just, I'm not interested.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: I can't sit through three hours of that shit.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then Odyssey, you know, I read the book, bro.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want, you know, I saw, I liked it when it was like Xena and Kevin Zorbo.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's all the Greek myths I need, man.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need anything else.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm happy about?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm happy about?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been talking a little bit about Animal Farm because we're going to read
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: that this year as we do every year.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm really happy to say that like every kid that's mentioned in the movie,
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: like their nose turns up like they just smelled something foul.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really happy about that.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I might be wrong, but
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Nolan, he's an asexual director.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: In my opinion, there's
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: only one movie that I slightly enjoyed of his, and that's The Prestige.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed The Prestige.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Everything about Michael Nolan can be explained in Inception,
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: a movie about dreams that has the most boring and uninspired dreams of all time.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'm going to quote the immortal Peter Venkman.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's correct.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: This man has no dick.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like last night I had a dream that I was making out with my wife on the beach
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: and every time the waves crashed,
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: baby alligators were tossed onto the beach and they would come and walk up to me,
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I would pet these baby alligators while I was like making out with my wife
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: on this beach, right?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's a dream right there.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's a respectable dream, okay?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like the dreams in Inception are like a dude walking down the street or going skiing.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like how fucking lame, dude.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a dream.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's just a thing that happens.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Watch David Lynch movies and I'll show you a dream slash nightmare.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that he cannot even get dreams to feel like dreams, his movies are sexually sterile.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's a sterility in his movies.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: A medicinal sterility.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: You look at the Odyssey and the Odyssey is about like,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: it's about a guy passionate, trying to get home and the gods and all this stuff.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what the gods did, you know, back in those Greek myths?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: They fucked.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they did.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every Greek myth is about Zeus.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Michelle Pfeiffer is a pheno.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Coming down as like a cloud of piss and like impregnating a goat or something like that.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's all of Greek myths, right?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Greeks are the people that- I nearly
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: spit my beer.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it went up my nose.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: These are the people that invented homosexuality.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: It looks so bland and sterile.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: The colors are dull.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: When I want to see Greek myths, I want to see magic.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's got to be horny somehow.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: It has to be horny.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's nothing about these.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody looks all serious and dour and just like fart-faced, you know?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, oh my god, you know?
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: and you got Odysseus and he ties himself to the mast of the ship so he can goon
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: the sirens, bro.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he did.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I got a goon so bad to these sirens.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: I have to.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to risk death.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Tie me up.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to goon so hard to these sirens.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there's nothing, dude.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Nolan has no dick.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, he's got no dick.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: This man has no dick.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing sexual about any of his movies, dude.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Interstellar.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: All the nerds like Interstellar.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Tempo movie is so fucking boring.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, ooh, Winthrop Bees and Matt Damon.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck is Matt Damon still in movies?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a 43-year-old man, okay?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: I am tired of seeing guys as action heroes that were old when I was a teenager, all right?
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: Where the fuck do we got Matt Damon's fucking I don't want to see a bunch
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: of geezers jerked up on testosterone supplements and boner pills, dude.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what it is?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what it is,
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: is that if they put a young masculine hero up on screen,
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: then the Zoomer often will rise.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Dude,
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: this movie is like a geezer parade.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: How old is Anne Hathaway?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: 87 at minimum.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, she's 87.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't look it up.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Don't look it up.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: You don't know.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to know how old she is?
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I told you she's 43 years old, right?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: She's actually almost a year older than me.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm older than Anne Hathaway?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, by one year.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: She was born in November 12, 1982.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: November 12, 1982.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's going to be 44 years
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: old, man.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see 44-year-old women.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see 20-year-old women.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to see 44-year-old Fisto?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, nobody wants to see my ass.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see young people doing... Movies are supposed to be a fantasy.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're supposed to be aspirational.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see action movies with geezers in them.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of fucking Brad Pitt, bro.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of Brad Pitt and all these old geezers.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: Geezers are supposed to be the villains in this shit.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: We're supposed to be the manipulative,
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: machination, hiding in the shadows, like Darth Palpatine, whatever the fuck.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then the young, vibrant...
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: they're doing another Pirates of the Caribbean movie,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: bringing out another junkie ass, you know, what's his name?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, dragging his junkie ass.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's 87 years old.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: That dude is basically like, he's basically Keith Richards now.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know, he's become.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: Which is the worst because Keith Richards played his fucking father in the film.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was just like, yeah, I'm just going to do the memes.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about, I don't know, man.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't get it.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's so stale.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're living in a gerontologist.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're just thrilled.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_02: Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: In class today, I had a couple of students bring up.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, mister, I don't think the Holocaust happened.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: Just straight
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: up.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let me mark this for editing on the later.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: Look, and I'm talking to him, right?
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because I want to keep things on track.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I've also made it clear that they can talk about it.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's very little I won't talk about.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, guys, listen.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, listen.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: The 20th century was a corpse production machine.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's all it was, all right?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: So whether or not it happened,
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: at the end of the day,
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I fucking cares because go talk to the Russians.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Go talk to anybody, right?
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Killing millions of people, that's just the 20th century.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: But I realized something, and I think this relates to our discussion.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: People make a lot of the Holocaust these days because it's all they teach
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: because they can't think of anything better because it's a degenerate,
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: decaying culture.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's no life left in the culture,
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: so we're just going to teach the same thing over and over again.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's why you get to see Anne Hathaway at 120 years old playing Penelope
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: or whatever the fuck because they're out of ideas.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's just dead.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: old, man.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's old.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's zombie.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, The 20th century, look, the 20th century was about making corpses.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: 21st century is about making zombies.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: And if you guys notice, I named this episode Burnout, right?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't really name it Burnout.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's Burnout.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be honest, guys.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote this whole monologue.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote it in my head because I don't actually write anything down
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: because I don't believe in putting anything down on paper.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you write anything down that's gay?
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like super gay.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but what...
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: But the whole point was, if you guys remember my favorite movie, I'm 43 years old, man.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on one.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on one.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of a depression.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of a major depressive disorder is what I'm,
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think, officially diagnosed with, right?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: True story.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: Especially after I had my major surgery where I had three of my vertebrae fused
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: with titanium and everything.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: And for the first time in my life, I felt a little bit weak.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I've been kicking ass.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing physical therapy twice a week and I'm back to running.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm back to lifting.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: My surgeon and my physical therapist are both like,
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: wow, man, you've bounced back so fast in less than three months.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, but at the same time,
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: the near-death experience of major surgery and not being able to move my upper body
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: at all for a few days, that made me feel like I felt weak for the first time.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: I felt my weakness, my strength leaving me.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: And if you remember in The Great Beauty,
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: in The Great Beauty,
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: there's a scene very early on in the movie,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: and our boy, Jep,
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: He goes home with this girl he meets,
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: and she's this rich girl, and he sleeps with her.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they're laying in bed,
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: and she's like,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: oh, do you want me to show you pictures of my sexy pictures or something like that?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, I'm going to go get my laptop.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: So she walks away, and it cuts to the scene of him on the balcony.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's on this beautiful balcony overlooking Rome at night.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like,
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: I decided after turning 60 that I am not
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: going to do things I don't want
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: to do anymore.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm misquoting it, but that's kind of the gist of it.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: He leaves.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even wait for her to come with the laptop.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: He just leaves.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: He bails.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, I do not want to look at your Facebook.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right and I've been I've been feeling like that man I I'm just I'm
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: over doing I don't want to do okay I've come to the point where like do you want
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: to go see spider-man no I don't I don't want to sit through
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: a three-hour goddamn movie about a cartoon character that spits sticky threads out
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: of his hands you know like a stew I don't want to do it I don't want
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: to do it I don't care I don't give a I don't want to watch a movie about
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: the odyssey I don't want to do this.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: I used to buy a book and I felt obligated to read the damn thing.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I was reading this book and I'm like, this sucks.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Done.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to read it anymore.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to read this anymore.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: I started playing a video game.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is stupid.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know I spent 20 bucks on it, but fuck it.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Delete.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't, like, you know, it's like, oh, so-and-so wants us for dinner.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to come?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, I don't.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to fucking come.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do it.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do anything I don't want to do anymore, okay?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I am so over, like, and I don't fucking care about anything anymore, right?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I am completely, like, over stuff, right?
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm so tired of the same conversation every single, like, three months on Substack.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, listen, let me tell you guys something, okay?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: When I first moved to the United States, I was a little kid.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was like six, right?
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the president was George Bush Senior.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing different between George Bush Senior than Bill Clinton.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like George Bush Senior, he bombed a bunch of brown people in the Middle East.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: Clinton, he bombed a bunch of people.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Obama, he bombed a bunch of people.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Bush, he bombed a bunch of people.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same shit, dude.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same shit over and over.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: I actually flipped those two.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was Clinton, Bush, Obama.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same shit.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: All these guys that had Trump as the great hope,
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: he was no different Then he indistinguishable in the Middle East from the geezer
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: from the geezer before.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: Obama was the great hope of like our generation.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: He was going to be different.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was going to bring America into a new intellectual, you know, more liberal era.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was the same as George Bush, right?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: He spoke differently, but policy wise, it was the same exact shit.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the same exact fake and gay shit.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm over it.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care anymore.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care because ultimately people are stupid fucking assholes, all of them.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Almost everybody's retarded.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they're always going to vote for the most retarded shit.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't care anymore.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, fuck it.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: You guys do whatever you want.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: You want to talk about immigration and all this?
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit if every fucking Muslim from the Middle East to Africa invades Europe.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: People have been talking about this shit for years now.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's just doing anything, so I don't give a fuck anymore.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Why should I fret about that stuff?
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite post that you make recently is,
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: this is just a reminder, the vast majority of you on here are retards.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, Europe is getting invaded.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: My name is Cuck Dreher.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's Rivers of Blood and what's that book?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same shit I heard about
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: Blah, blah, blah.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing ever changes.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody does anything.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the same shit.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the same shit over and over and over.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're turning the frogs gay.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, who gives a fuck?
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care anymore, dude.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: I literally do not care anymore.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: I am no longer interested in politics.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't care.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: I hate all of you.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to lay on my hammock and I'm going to enjoy my gin and tonic or whatever
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm just going to be like, just fuck it.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let it burn.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't care.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Don't care.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's It's really just the same shit over and over and over and over.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: How many times has Dave Green had the same exact podcast and the same exact conversations?
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same thread.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_02: I keep thinking of him.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like we're circling back to the pagan tards now.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do not do this.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote an essay last year and it said everything that needed to be said about pagans.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing to be said about them.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're fake and retarded.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: The only good pagan is Emma's herbs who told me that my adrenal glands are fatigued.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: At least that bitch had a job.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: That bitch had a job.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: She sold me some vitamins.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually pretty impressive.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if a pagan came up to me and said,
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: hey, your pancreas is dead, just like looking at me, I'd be like, okay, cool.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: How do you know a white raven of Odin came and told me your adrenal glands are fatigued?
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: Fine.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_02: That would actually be like.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: That'd have a value.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: You're sitting here LARPing online and arguing with people like, shut up.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: I hate you all.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: You are all so stupid.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Shut up.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Call me when your God does something.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: Call me when something happens.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh my God, shut up.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell Odin to make it rain?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's 110 degrees on South Carolina and I'm sweating my balls off with the air conditioner on.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: Give me a rain dance.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: Give me some Native American magic.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: I saw a great joke earlier.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: It was, hey, put on the Shaman Weather Channel.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: They take requests.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly, dude.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Can we get some of these Native American pagans, man?
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: Give me some coyote magic out here and some, what do you call it, medicine?
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: You got some good medicine, you know?
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: Get some of that seminal alligator blood magic or whatever the heck
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: it is.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing that again?
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing the pagan thing again?
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Are we going to do the art hoe again like three years from now?
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, man, three
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: weeks from now, watch.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: There's going to be a new art hoe guy.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_02: That art hoe stuff, it's a good idea.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, because we had this conversation or this conversation got ended when
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: that woman murdered three of her children and a bunch of BPD art women are trying
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: to blame her husband or whatever,
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: proving the point that you can't tame these women because they're going
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: to murder your children or you.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, dude, I'm just...
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so tired of this world, man.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go to Mars, like Dr. Manhattan, just sit there in the dark, dude.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't care about the movies.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about any, I don't care about anything anymore.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing I care about is like, like, what did I start doing the other day?
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: I started listening to like a podcast and then like,
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: it was like about politics and I was like,
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: I literally drew for like five minutes and I was like, you know what?
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a fuck.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I turned it off and I put on like Enola Gay by the orchestral maneuvers in the dark.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to drive 110 miles an hour down the highway towards Charleston
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: and listen to gay 80s music because I would rather die in a blazing inferno
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: than listen to another Substack podcast about politics, okay?
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't care anymore.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: Alex Carr crash posting.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'm over it, dude.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I've realized that it's not a bad thing to be over it, right?
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good thing to be over it.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just...
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've decided that the only things I'm going to focus on from now
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: on is everything I'm going to do.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the Marie Kondo thing?
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: Where you're supposed to- If this doesn't
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: spark joy.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: If this doesn't spark, that's going to be me with everything.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be like, does this action spark joy?
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do I have to do this or I go to jail?
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: Can I balance jail potential with pleasure out of it?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do that quick equation and then I'll decide to either do it or not.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: Is this worth the consequences?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: For example, going to work does not spark joy.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I hate when I'm at work?
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just hate that I'm at work.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's the
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: whole joke.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: I hate it when I'm at work.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, there's no and.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just hate it when I'm at work.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I have to because being homeless does not spark joy.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I've just like,
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: like at work the other day,
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: somebody like asked me to do something or like take on like a task.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, I don't want to do that.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not going to do that.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just not going to do that.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I got this email from like this,
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: like comptroller that was like asking me about like,
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: how have you updated your certificate, blah, blah.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, no, I'm just not going to do that.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, uh, uh, Here's a good one.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: Two years ago, I ordered like a new desk, that new desks for our office.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Two years ago, they finally came.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, really?
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: They finally came, right?
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's late Soviet right there.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: This lady's like, oh, we're going to bring the desks in.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: So like, do you mind like emptying your desk so we can put the new desk?
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I thought about my, should I spend an hour cleaning this office?
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I just didn't do it.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, I don't care.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: What happened?
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they took all my stuff.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: They took all my stuff that I didn't care about anyways
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: because I didn't even know it was in my desk, right?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they put it all in like a big trash bag, you know?
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of looked at it.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hmm,
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: there's a bunch of stuff that I might need, but I just threw it in the dumpster.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't give a fuck about this shit, right?
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, do I care enough about this stuff?
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's too much work.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to start a fight club.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: You're like this close to starting a fight club.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's where you're at, you realize.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking like a trash bag that you have to like, I have to like drag behind me.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just yeeted that whole thing in the trash.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: There was like all kinds of weird stuff in there.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: No idea what was in there.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: Probably some top secret confidential papers and stuff.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give a fuck.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like not my problem.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like somebody else can deal with it.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_02: Give me an intelligence leak.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to try it back to your, to your trash bag.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to be like, oh, dude.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know,
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: I did take my little,
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have like these like little tiny,
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: like, you know, it was like little anime keychains.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter buys me a bunch.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: Those were safe.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: I put those safe.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: And my Vlad the Impaler mug.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: Those were put to the side.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: But all my work stuff, I'm like, just throw it away.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have the Impaler mug.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: I have a Vlad the Impaler mug, right?
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty cool.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: I just, I just don't, I don't care, dude.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't care about, like,
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: all this stuff,
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like,
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: you can open Substack right now and I'm like,
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: let's see, what's everybody talking about?
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: Super Slop and How It Will Kill Your Book Deal.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Don't care.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Don't care about book deals.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: Don't want to read your books and everything sucks.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: Something, something individual.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: Journey into...
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't care, dude.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: I hate everything.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just so...
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I'm just burnt out, dude.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to sit and look at the sunset.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great use of your time.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great use of your time
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_01: though.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to watch beautiful things.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: I want to listen to music.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: I want to watch good movies.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: I want to read good books and I want to enjoy things.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: I want to eat good food.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about anything else I don't care about like you know what if
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: the world ends tomorrow it god god wills it you know what I mean right like
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: if I come down with like boils and stuff all
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: over my skin well you know what I probably deserved it you know
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm not gonna fret about it man like I'm just I don't care I don't care
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: and I really don't care about others like you know before the internet and
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: before like media and all that stuff you didn't know about any of this You know,
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: like, nobody ever, like, our grandparents never thought about any of this shit.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: Our great-grandparents, right?
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: Our great-grandparents never thought about it.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_02: Pagans, that's what that one chick down at the coffeehouse is about.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't even know that.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't even know what the, they didn't even know what Bustelo was.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't think about this stuff.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't care about that.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they read the newspaper or something like that.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: But, like, yeah, dude, like, I don't know, man.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: I just, it's not worth it, dude, you know?
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right, what else we got to talk about?
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: Anything interesting going on besides you starting school?
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Besides that, no, not really.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's been going very well.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_02: The Bay Club has exploded.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say I probably had like 30 or 35 kids at the last meeting.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was actually a little overwhelming.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that's nice.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's excellent.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: We've got some great things planned this year.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: There was a guy, oh, hold on.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_02: There was a guy, I tagged you in that post.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if he's here live right now,
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: but it's fun to get a question about people asking how I genuinely teach.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Can I give an example?
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Can I try to give an example?
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a little tired and I'm nearly done with this beer, so.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is for that guy in chat that wanted to know how I actually teach.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: So here's what I did today.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I start the days with first questions, and I usually just throw something on the board.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Today I asked, what are the best historical sources?
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then had the kids write down in their journal what they thought.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people said books, the library, God, various other things, all kinds of stuff.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, great, fine.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Talked about it, talked about it, this, talked about it, that.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then I explained that from the proper historian perspective,
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: you have tertiary sources, secondary sources, primary sources.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then I said, you know, we talked about it, had some laughs.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, okay, great, guys, you know something now.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know something real in the world that I have taught you that you didn't know before.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_02: So what does this all have to do with it?
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, today we're going to go look at a primary document.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: How many of you guys have read the Declaration of Independence?
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've had one kid out of all my students who's actually read the Declaration
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_02: of Independence from start to finish.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_02: And he didn't understand any of it.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: So in Florida, you have something called the FCLA, the Florida Civics Literacy Exam.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_02: There are four competencies.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: The first part is American democracy.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: The second part is U.S. Constitution.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: The third part is founding documents.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then the fourth part is landmark cases.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: We just got done with, because their test is really quick.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: We just got done with The first part, U.S. Constitution or U.S. democracy, American democracy.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just like all the key stuff like social contract,
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_02: natural law, natural rights, popular sovereignty, like all that stuff.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I've basically been talking vocabulary for the last like week and a half.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I just start.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, OK, guys,
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: so we're going to read the Declaration of Independence and I'm going
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_02: to show you how you know things now because I've basically given you secret codes
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: to understand this document.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I just start ripping through the document, read the first part.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, God, what's that mean?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to me.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just silence in the room.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I start getting in kids' faces,
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: like, think of something, think of something that this reminds you of.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_02: And slowly but surely, I start getting the answers here, answers there.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, somebody's like, well, it kind of reminds me of republicanism a little bit.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, okay, well, let's see how that ties in.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't care if the answer's right or not.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to get them to think about it a little bit, right?
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I spent about 20 or 25 minutes basically yelling at my class about
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_02: the children's independence.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: And by the end of it,
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say probably like four out of my six classes,
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_02: like everybody had a blast because,
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I'm up there with my, you know, I look like a crazy mad scientist now.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_02: But by the end of it, like kids are starting to like pop off with stuff.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And my best class, so I have a class this year that's by far my best.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're, like, getting it.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_02: They're, like, really popping off on it.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, that's social contract.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: And they're complaining about the king because he's violating life, liberty, and property.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_02: And, like,
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: you could just see their faces going,
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: holy shit,
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I understand the Declaration of Independence now.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_02: What is, you know, they just go through.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: I point out the part where they call the king a pirate, which is hilarious.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like, Oh, hey, guys,
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: how about down here where he says he's like the worst of all the worst barbarians?
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, he just called him worse than Hitler.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody laughs.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, really?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, that's what that is.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: So we're having this blast.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're having this thing.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end of it,
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_02: usually I have a final question at the end of the period where then I try
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: to give them something like actually related to the content.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, tomorrow I'm going to give you a test.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to drop the preamble on them.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm going to have them do that on their own.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: So like read the preamble of the Constitution.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_02: What do you see in there?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Pick any of the things,
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_02: any five of the things that we've looked at,
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: any five of the things that we look at, what do you see in the preamble?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Explain it to me.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see how they do tomorrow.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: But like to the unknown poster out there,
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: the trick for this is that in civics in middle school,
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_02: they learn what stuff is, right?
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_02: And like a couple of years later, it rings a bell at best.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_02: No one's ever bothered to teach them how to actually think this shit through.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where the fun is.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because when you see somebody, like I had one kid who was like really shy about it.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_02: And his first answer was wrong.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: But then by the end, he was just, he was popping off.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I gave him a, you know, I gave him a thump on the shoulder as he went by out the door.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, nice job, man.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_02: You got it.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because he was actually getting a little quick.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: And like, you could kind of see him kind of, you know, kind of stood up a little bit.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, thanks, man.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Get ready for more.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so like, That's, that's how I teach.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's just,
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_02: it's like 45 minutes of,
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_02: you know, you know how we are on the podcast when we get going?
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's class.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, those are the, those are the best classes I remember.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I used to listen to these,
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I used to listen to these,
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know, these, um,
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: The classes that stood out the most are the ones that just had this kind
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: of free-flowing conversation,
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: where I just went and it made me go like, oh, but what do you think about this?
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then like, oh, okay, I never thought about it this way, you know?
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: You could always tie it back.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: You can always tie it back.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Even the class that went off on the Holocaust tied it back.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: In a way,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: like an ideal teacher is that you're putting these, like,
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: it's almost like I think a great way of looking at it is you're kind of like
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: a game creator.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Creates elements.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I used to run role-playing games a lot, like Dungeons & Dragons and that kind of stuff.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of really bad dungeon masters
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_01: or storytellers always would do stuff like railroad the players.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_01: They would railroad them because they wanted to tell a story.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_01: What really the best kind of stories are the stories where you just leave the elements there.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you let the players find the story.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, have you ever played like the Dark Souls games, like the Elder Scrolls?
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Not the Elder Scrolls.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Elder Scrolls.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I'm a huge Elder Scrolls.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Elder Scrolls.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about the Dark Souls.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Dark Souls.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've played a little bit.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't like those as much.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I mean, I'm familiar.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So what's interesting about those games like Elden Ring,
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: right, is that there's no storyline to them, right?
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like giant cut scenes at the beginning or anything like that, right?
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: But there is a story.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it's told through items.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's told through descriptions of items.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's all disjointed.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you find the story through exploration.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it emerges over time.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: It emerges over time.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is a great way to teach things.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: You see that in a game like Cyberpunk 2077.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's tons of stories hidden in the city itself.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like that are not part of the main storyline where you'll,
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: you'll meet a character here and they're tied into another character,
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: like, you know, completely unconnected somewhere far away and stuff, you know?
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a great way of, of,
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: of teaching is you create this,
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_01: you as a teacher, I think, and you know, I'm not, I'm not educator.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: So correct me if I'm wrong, anybody, you create a landscape, right?
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: You create a landscape and you open the doors to the,
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: this landscape for your students, you know?
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll say one thing.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think an actual professional educator would disagree with you,
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_02: but that's because they're wrong.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_02: They'd be talking about too much about scaffolding and like this and that.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: They want to build a ladder that the student climbs up slowly but surely.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_02: What you and I are talking about is swinging open a door to this massive landscape
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: that they have no idea what's in there, what's going on.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's actually even a little dangerous.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: But the teacher is there.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's not worth doing.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_02: The teacher is there as a wizard that if you get killed, I'll just res you.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, I'll pull you back with my protection spell real quick.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's exactly,
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_02: that's kind of exactly what I
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: mean in a way.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: A mentor.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a good way.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was thinking about writing.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was listening to the Brett Easton Ellis podcast and he was kind of complaining
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: that so many young people,
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_01: a lot of like Gen Z or younger people,
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: even like young millennials always complain that like they don't like books
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_01: or something like that where the main character or where they don't see themselves
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: in the main character.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, oh, this character is like a murderer.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, I don't agree with this character.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I hate this book.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Cause they just want to,
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and it,
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Reading literature or watching film or television like that is completely
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: a very silly way because A book or a work of art should not be a mirror, right?
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_01: When you are reading a book, it should not be a mirror of yourself.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: What a book is, is actually it should be a door.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you should go through the door and inhabit this world, right?
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So when you open the door of this book, you're entering a world.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: The best fiction, the best film, the best television, right?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: The best anime, the best video games are ones where...
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: The world feels real.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can enter into this world and go,
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I might not agree with the characters,
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: but I believe that everything is real, even if it's obviously fantasy.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: For example, I don't agree in Breaking Bad.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't agree with any of the decisions made in that show, but I empathize with them.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I understand that the world feels real in that world, you know?
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what makes a good show.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's what makes a good work of art, right?
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is that they're not a mirror, they're a door.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because if all you do is stare in the mirror, you're just going to starve.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to starve to death because you're basically just, what's his name?
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's his name?
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_01: What is his name?
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Narcissist, right?
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're just staring at the pool, not drinking, looking at yourself.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, like...
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you discover yourself or you discover aspects of yourself in this world you walk
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: through in a book, but you're not looking for yourself.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to understand the world you're inhibiting temporarily.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how you learn true empathy.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you learn how to empathize with stuff.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people forget that.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people just want, you know, just want the surface mirror kind of world.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're like, good guy's good and bad guy's bad and, you know, that.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And a good teacher opens doors and introduces people to this world.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'll tell you forever, man.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_01: I remember,
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mentioned it before in the podcast,
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: but I had this teacher that I took a,
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: for fun, I took a history class in early college, right?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like very, very undergrad.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a British guy and he was teaching American history,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: but his,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: like the caveat of the class,
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: which I didn't know,
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I randomly took it like without even looking at the description of the class.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I just saw, you know, history, whatever, and it matched my time.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: But his entire class was the American Revolution taught from the perspective of
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: the British, right?
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it opened up.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy cool.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, wow.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now I kind of understand why the British were mad.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're not wrong.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of propaganda.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of propaganda that,
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: were taught in,
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_01: post-hoc justifications and propaganda that were taught as Americans, you know?
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, huh.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why were we getting taxed?
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Why were the colonists getting taxed?
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because,
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_01: they were paying for, you know, the British fought off the Indians and the French.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they won a war for them, you know, and then now they don't want to pay for it, you know?
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Interestingly enough,
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: the percentage of taxes were so much lower than the percentage
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_01: of taxes we're paying today, but that's an obvious problem, right?
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think that's a great way of approaching teaching, is opening a world for somebody.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a great way of raising a kid.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: I might not be a teacher,
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: but I am a parent,
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: and I try to kind of expose my kid to a bunch of different worlds
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: and different ideas and stuff.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you have kids and if you teach kids, you know they don't fucking listen to anything, man.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're all know-it-alls.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was a horrible know-it-all forever.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, we got to call it a night.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's 8.30.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's time.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I got to go put my daughter to sleep.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks guys for listening.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's my bedtime.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had a great time, actually.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's funny because we didn't really have anything planned.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I ended up, I feel like we hit some good, deep topics today.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I really enjoyed it.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we talked about Emma's Herbs and The Witches.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I never said what movie I remember.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, what's your movie, man?
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Horror Express.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a 1972 movie with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's about this monster on a train.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a Spanish movie,
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: but it's like a Spanish production,
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: but it's got Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee and stuff.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's got Saruman, the wise.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it look it up it's like the weirdest movie but it's like I think I saw
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: when I was like four and it was burning to my head there's this like monster in like
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: a in a in a in like a in a train they're like on a train
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: with this monster that's out there eating people it's like the the the you know the
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: the the intercontinental express or whatever or like
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: the siberian express you know I'm talking about like that train
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_01: the famous train oriental express yeah and
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_02: they're like
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_02: and it's good it's like
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Orient Express.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like mummy in it or something like that.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like Peter Cushing's like a vampire hunter type.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty cool freaking movie.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's really weird that a lot of people have never heard of.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I saw it when I was a little kid like on television in like Romania
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_01: and like communist Romania for some reason I was showing.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it like burnt into my skull forever.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing movie.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_01: But for you guys listening live and you guys listening later this week,
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Next week's live episode will be on Wednesday at 7 p.m.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: instead of Thursday because we are switching our live stream chill stack
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_01: to Wednesday afternoons, right, Vista?
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, correct.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: We agree.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: We slapped the table on that.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did slap the table.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Table has been slapped.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I do apologize that we keep on changing the date around,
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_01: but you know,
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Fisto's job requires him to change his, you know, his schedule every year.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_01: My job does kind of the same thing.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I also kind of have to work around my daughter's like dance classes
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: and her sports and all this stuff and her homework.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a priority for me.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know,
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_01: at the beginning of each kind of like season,
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know, every big change, we kind of talk about it.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, Wednesday's the better day.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I much prefer Wednesdays.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wednesday's is the day I prefer.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: We did Thursdays over the summer because you were doing the play thing on Wednesdays
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: or something.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it just works out much better.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason is because if we do it on Wednesdays,
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can have enough time to edit it before Friday and put
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: the edited episode out like Friday morning, you know?
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, boy.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Which I can't really do on Thursday nights because I'm too tired after we finish here.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Indeed.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, it'll be a good change.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of stuff I've had in my life too where,
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_02: you know, A lot of meetings tend to happen on Thursday.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we didn't get to talk about this,
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_02: but there's a bit of a shakeup on city council next to the election.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's all fine.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's all fine.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm probably going to go to the council meeting this month and meet some of the new folk.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll see how that goes.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: But I got a guy on the council.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it seems like we're going to have to do that here, too,
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: because they've decided to install like 400 like float cameras or something
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: without letting us know.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's been an issue down here.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_02: I keep trying to tell my friends that you can't handle the flock issue
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_02: by just quoting the Constitution on Facebook.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're just going
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_02: to ignore that.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and that's kind of like why I'm kind of like...
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is a different topic.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get into it,
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_01: but it's kind of where I'm like so irritated with people because it's like,
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: the irony of like South Carolina is supposed to be this like deep red state,
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: but they're more boomer shit lib than like California ever was.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like for all it's like, like,
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: lameness,
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: California,
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_01: like would never tolerate half the stuff that like these dumb boomers down here do,
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: you know?
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Cause you're so like, like,
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Californians would be against the fly camera stuff for a completely different reason
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_01: than a liberal would, than a conservative would, but...
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree with them, and they would handle it.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: But here, they're like, oh, it's no big deal.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't commit any crimes,
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: so I'm not afraid of the low IQ 24-year-old cop having access to every move I make.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that you're committing a crime.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's that they're never going to use those flat cameras to look for crime.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to just use it to extort money out of you for speeding tickets and
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: then call their girlfriends around on it.
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they're going to do with it.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's like people, it's like a pleading about,
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_02: you know, it's a violation of the Fourth Amendment sent from my iPhone.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, like, ultimately, like, yeah, I like that.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: The argument is a legit argument.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you complaining about flat camera when you've got your cell phone
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_01: and you're recording a podcast and that kind of stuff, right?
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: But like,
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: you know what,
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: I would rather have some pervert in San Francisco,
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: like at some tech company, like, listen to me talk.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then the creepy cop that lives down the street for me,
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: you know, that is work or whatever, right?
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so there's a level of disconnect.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_02: What about the creepy tech guy that lives down the street?
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because those tech guys don't live in South Carolina.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_01: They, you know,
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_01: they live out in,
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_01: in Silicon Valley,
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and, and, and the creepy tech guy can't legally shoot me.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the cop can, right?
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the problem.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it's better to have a gunner than a gunner with a gun.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_01: With a gun and a badge that can kill you if they want to.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately, it's not going to be about crime.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_01: All these measures that are authoritarian in this way,
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_01: in a weird way, I don't have a problem with authoritarianism, right?
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think that in a way, countries like China are not that bad.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not bad because of the authoritarianism, right?
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_01: But they apply their authoritarianism equally across the board to almost
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: the majority of their population,
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_01: maybe with the exception of party officials and stuff like that, right?
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_01: The Chinese citizen or a Singaporean citizen,
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_01: for example,
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: lives under a much more authoritarian world than we do, but they get freedom.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: They get the freedom of safety and that kind of stuff that we don't.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Here, these flat cameras are not going to actually stop crime.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to stop the criminal stuff because the criminal classes tend
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: to be protected by pseudo-political elements and that
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_02: kind of stuff.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they've bought the cops looking at the flat cameras.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or they didn't really buy the class,
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: but they're protected classes that are not, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Both of that too.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like if, like,
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_01: like they're not going to like,
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_01: as soon as like the flat cameras are used to like stop like car robberies
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: and stuff like that,
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to find the disproportionate number of people that are all in
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_01: the same kind of club.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_01: And right away,
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to,
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_01: they're not going to use that as evidence because it's going to look bad.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: So what they're going to do is they're going to go after like Traffic tickets
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_01: and traffic violations.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: So flat cameras are just going to be another form of, you know, like it's just another tax.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just another like financial extortion on people that are just,
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know, maybe driving 22 miles an hour or something like that.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, fuck them.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want them.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_01: the other thing,
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_02: the other thing funny too,
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_02: going back to the tech bro in San Francisco,
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_02: all that invasion of privacy is to just sell you shit anyway.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it's not about crime.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about that.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's about just another means of like constant money.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we're being taxed.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're being taxed on everything.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's a fucking rip off.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like right now, like our power company in our city decided to merge with our power.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Another power company and our bills have doubled in neighborhoods.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_01: And people used to pay like $90 a month for like power.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now they're paying like $250 a month for power, you know?
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like,
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_01: it's just a ludicrous amount,
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: like just nickel and diming us into like just in total oblivion, right?
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_02: A complete and total burnout.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I couldn't play until fucking burnout.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't longer care, you know?
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the flat cameras can kiss my ass.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I think.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I hate them.
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I hate the fact that they lied about it.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_01: our mayor said that, like, oh, these flat cameras, they don't do facial recognition.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, shut up.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Of course they do.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're not retarded, you know?
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It never got voted on.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_01: The people never voted on, you know?
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_01: They never did any of that.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very frustrating, you know?
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_01: But like I said- Bullshit.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_01: The problem with the South and the problem with the Southern red states is
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_01: that they're just more retarded liberals.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_01: They don't know what time it is.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: The only reason they're conservative is because they're too retarded to be liberal,
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_01: if that makes sense.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_01: They're too slow.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're like the model from 10 years ago.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing that makes the majority of Southerners conservative.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: They don't really know any.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have any actual theory or anything like that.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have any self-pride or anything like that.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're just boomers.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Really, I don't think we can ever fix this country until all
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: the boomers get seppuku themselves into oblivion.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: If only COVID was real.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_02: If only COVID was as deadly as they said it was.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_01: If only COVID was the boomer remover as we were promised, but it wasn't.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot about that.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: If only it was, but it wasn't.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can you think of the golden age?
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would have lived in space already.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: If the boomers got removed tomorrow, we would have been traveling through space already.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would have been able to open a wormhole with my brain.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_02: You would have been able to sit on a hammock
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Drink your drink.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_02: And watch the sun and watch the Mars rise.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been like that.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're opposed to Black Plague, you know, and all the... Yeah.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was just thinking that.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: A renaissance.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: We could have had a renaissance.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_01: We will have a renaissance when the boomers are gone,
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: if they're gone fast enough, but they won't.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe next time.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're disgusting lich hands.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're disgusting undead corpse hands.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_01: We'll hold on.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_01: And in 20 years, I'll still...
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking see movies with Matt Damon as this male lead.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to piss me off so much.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Odyssey 2.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to have the Odyssey remake.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_02: Christopher Nolan's Odyssey.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: The same fucking actors.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it'll be Christopher Nolan remaking his own Odyssey.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, forever and ever.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys, good night.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was wonderful.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you next week, Wednesday at 7 p.m. Bye, guys.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys are interested in any specific,
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_01: hey, somebody in the YouTube chat said no one likes you, even your close family.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: He is so correct.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody likes me, and I don't like anybody.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, real fast.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Did you hear that they're making the new My Friends?
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're bringing back MySpace?
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tom, the owner of the OG Tom that used to be your friend on MySpace.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: He wants to bring back MySpace, supposedly, and it's going to have no algorithm.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to be an algorithm-free social media.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_02: We out.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we out.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: We on MySpace, right?
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_01: We on MySpace.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, but the only problem, right?
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: The only problem is I don't have eight friends to put on my page anymore.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Remember you had to put the eight friends, your top eight, your top friends?
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any friends, bro.
• 1:35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, random YouTube hater, I like Alex.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_01: This new Myspace,
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_01: I better be able to customize my page and put glitter like I used to
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: and have my emo song play right when it starts.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be legendary, bro.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_02: If new Myspace happens and it's what we're hoping, I'll bail.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bail on Substack.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have Myspace and Substack.
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be both.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have blackibis on Myspace.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, it's going to be so good.
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be so good.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still shitposting on Myspace.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually going to post all my...
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I actually have a file on my other laptop, right?
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually...
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_01: MySpace pictures,
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_01: all my old MySpace pictures,
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_01: I downloaded and I put them in a file on like a Google Share Drive or something like
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_01: that because I deleted it because I went back and I was like,
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: oh God, ooh, what the hell, you know?
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't want to get rid of the pictures so I made a MySpace like file
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_01: with all my pictures and I'm going to post all those, bro.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be me straight up 20 years old, you know?
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Black hair in my eyes.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_02: We're going back in time, man.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: We're going back in time.
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_02: We're doing a
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Matt Damon thing.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing a Matt Damon thing.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be just forever emo constantly.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to listen to Limp Bizkit like it's 1998.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is that.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is going to be that forever, dude.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Great episode.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us on the Black Ibis Social Club on a fantastic chill stack.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_01: This episode will be out for everybody tomorrow.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll do it tomorrow morning.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it out tomorrow morning.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_01: And if you really, really enjoy it, please like and share and subscribe.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Throw me some money if you want.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_01: The money goes to
• 1:37:04
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• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: But like and share and then always please comment.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys want us to talk about something specifically or you have a topic,
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love the back and forth in the chat.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And usually we diverge into full chat retardation most of the time.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that brings some of the best episodes.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the best kind of conversation.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Once again,
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: if you think of anybody you want us to invite on the episode,
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_01: we do like doing guests.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I have been kind of lame on the guest mostly because I feel like we've been so busy
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_01: with personal stuff that I can't do the guest justice.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I have a guest,
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I want to know everything about them and read their book or read all their work
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: and stuff.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't been able,
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the energy to do that,
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_01: to like,
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_01: We used to read all the books that people would come on,
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't want to do a sloppy job of having somebody over.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: I could have Lisa Kuznack on forever because I've read all her stuff and I talk
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_01: to her every day,
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_01: but I can't really do somebody new because I need to have some chance to read it.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_01: But soon I'll have more time, so we'll get more guests on.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: We do need to have John back on and...
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: John and Jason and everybody.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have a lot more time soon.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Good night.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was a wonderful episode.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Fisto, I'm glad you made it.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk next week.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Good night.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: See you guys.