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Is Nick Kristof’s blood libel this century’s Dreyfus Affair? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tuesday edition of the program. I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot to cover today. Of course, President's on his
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  Speaker 1: way to China. New developments in the Iran war with Israel,
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  Speaker 1: the United States and the United A novenments. I'll cover
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  Speaker 1: all that, but I got to start with Nick Christoph
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  Speaker 1: column in the New York Times. And to help me
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  Speaker 1: do that, I have Matt Continetty. Matt, of course, of
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  Speaker 1: the columns for the Wall Street Journal. He is also
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  Speaker 1: the head of Domestic Policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute.
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  Speaker 1: He was not on the commentary podcast today where they
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  Speaker 1: discussed christoph column and a couple other pieces with Ruthie
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  Speaker 1: Bloom and others. But Matt, let me begin my asking.
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  Speaker 1: I assume you've read the Nick Christoph column that alleges
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  Speaker 1: widespread rape of prisoners other by prison guards and by
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  Speaker 1: dogs in Israel as part of the system. It's a
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  Speaker 1: blood libel. Have you read it.
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  Speaker 2: I've read parts of it, Hugh. I can't say I
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  Speaker 2: was able to stomach the whole thing. I was so
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  Speaker 2: disgusted in alarm by the fact that I had been
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  Speaker 2: printed in the New York Times and received such a
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  Speaker 2: widespread response from israel haters and anti Semites around the globe.
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  Speaker 2: But this is just one of many instances where lies
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  Speaker 2: are spread about Israel and the Jewish people. You can
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  Speaker 2: go back to the first second Antifodd or rather at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of this century, when it was alleged that
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  Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers had targeted a young Palestinian boy. It turned
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  Speaker 2: out to be completely a fabrication. You think about all
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  Speaker 2: the accounts of the mass starvation supposedly in Gaza during
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  Speaker 2: the most recent war, the post Doctober seventh war, those
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  Speaker 2: were fabrications. And this libel of genocide that's been put
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  Speaker 2: upon Israel, genocide of the Palestinian people, when of course
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  Speaker 2: nothing has taken place. It seems to me that every
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  Speaker 2: accusation against Israel is often a confession of wrongdoing by
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  Speaker 2: the part of those who would want to destroy Israel.
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  Speaker 2: And the greatest evidence of this, it seems, is that
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  Speaker 2: one day after that Nick Christoff report comes out, CNN
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  Speaker 2: reports on this widespread, rather very detailed study of the
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  Speaker 2: sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas after October seventh. So when
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  Speaker 2: it's an accusation coming from these anti Israel types, it's
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  Speaker 2: more often than not a form of confession.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Matt, what really shocked me about this. Nick has
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  Speaker 1: been a friend of the program for most of the
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years I've been on the air. I've had
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  Speaker 1: him on dozens of times whenever he had a book
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  Speaker 1: come out. Occasionally when he had a I considered him
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  Speaker 1: sort of an old guard Democrat, liberal, but not crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That column is crazy. It also cannot be verified if
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  Speaker 1: you can train up a half dozen to a dozen
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  Speaker 1: people to tell the same lie. Outrageous though it might be.
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  Speaker 1: The idea of dogs trained to rape humans, it's so absurd,
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  Speaker 1: it's just so absurd, but you can't disprove it. It's
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  Speaker 1: an unfalsifiable proposition. How could the New York Times have
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  Speaker 1: allowed that to be printed? Why would Nick Christoff go for.
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  Speaker 2: The bait, well, because I think a great many people
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  Speaker 2: are given to the most lurid fantasies and conspiracies about
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  Speaker 2: the state of Israel and the Jewish people. And let's
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  Speaker 2: not forget we're living in a climate hue of conspiratorial paranoia.
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  Speaker 2: When you consider that what one in four Americans think
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  Speaker 2: that the White House correspondence dinner attack on the President
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  Speaker 2: was staged. One in three people believe that one of
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  Speaker 2: the Trump assassination attempts has been staged. There's just this
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  Speaker 2: bent toward paranoid conspiratorial thinking that's I think aggravated by
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  Speaker 2: social media. But the point is this is that The
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  Speaker 2: New York Times has very selective editorial standards, and that
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  Speaker 2: is they apply no editorial standards when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: Israel and the opponents of Israel. This is the same
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  Speaker 2: people that has what you lavish praise on this guy
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  Speaker 2: Hassan Piker in recent months, person who's justified murder, who's
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  Speaker 2: justified theft, who of course is anti Israel, wants to
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  Speaker 2: see the Jewish state gone, and yet he's being lionized
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  Speaker 2: by The New York Times, the same paper that Prince
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  Speaker 2: Nick Christoff's scurrilous attack on the Israeli penal system.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to Piker in the second
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  Speaker 1: because I have a proposition for you to explain You've
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  Speaker 1: got to have a universal theory to explain everything that's
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  Speaker 1: nuts out there. For you're familiar with the Dreyfus affair,
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  Speaker 1: which was a invented conspiracy to finger a French officer
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  Speaker 1: who is Jewish at the turn of the nineteenth century.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first evidence of widespread anti Semitism within
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  Speaker 1: the French military. Is that a good summary of it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a sense of rising anti semitism in Europe more generally.
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  Speaker 2: The Dreyfus affair there in the late nineteenth century became
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  Speaker 2: kind of the signature issue, the defining issue of the
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  Speaker 2: time about the place of Jews in European society, in institutions,
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  Speaker 2: and the Dreyfus fairs, of course signaled kind of the
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  Speaker 2: turn that Europe would take toward authoritarianism and solitarianism in
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  Speaker 2: the first quarter of the twentieth century.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that Nick's column is the driver's affair
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  Speaker 1: for our time. And I don't know who's going to
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  Speaker 1: write Jacques Cues this time. But someone has to write that,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know where it would come from, because
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  Speaker 1: the Dreyfus affair took a good ten years to unravel
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  Speaker 1: in its conspiracy now was invented by a crazy lunatic
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  Speaker 1: anti Semi who had fallen for the protocols of the
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  Speaker 1: Elder Resion. But I want to go into later in
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  Speaker 1: the program and talk with Admiralstavritez and Elant Ackerman about
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  Speaker 1: their book about climate war in twenty eighty four and
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  Speaker 1: the analogy to climate collapse. What they're positing climate collapse
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  Speaker 1: over the next sixty years. Intellect collapse. Hassan Piker's a dummy,
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  Speaker 1: and Nick Christophe used to be a smart guy and
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  Speaker 1: now he writes something that just shears, Deputy, do you
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  Speaker 1: think we're an AOC is brooted about as a potential
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  Speaker 1: nominee for the Democratic Party and she doesn't know anything.
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  Speaker 1: Are we in the age of intellect collapse?
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny you mentioned that, Hugh. Before coming on today,
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  Speaker 2: I was reading Henry Kissinger's memoirs about his thought trips
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  Speaker 2: to China ahead of Trump's trip to China this week,
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  Speaker 2: and as I was closing the book, I was thinking, man,
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  Speaker 2: how far we've come from Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon
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  Speaker 2: plotting out geopolitics with all these concepts deton linkage, right,
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  Speaker 2: triangular diplomacy to write AOC at the Munich Security Conference
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  Speaker 2: embarrassing herself with her inability to answer simple questions about
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  Speaker 2: foreign policy. I will say this though, if you're looking
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  Speaker 2: for the Jacques cus on the Christoph piece, I urge
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  Speaker 2: everyone to look up Javiv reddi Gore's ex post on
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  Speaker 2: this article because it is just a devastating critique of
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  Speaker 2: Christoff and the charges that Christoph makes. And Aviv, who's
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  Speaker 2: a friend of the program of course, is just a
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  Speaker 2: brilliant writer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad Hereiy did that. He will be on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: as per Kissinger and Nixon. I went to work for
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  Speaker 1: RN in nineteen seventy eight. In nineteen seventy eight am
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  Speaker 1: in San Clementy, and the first time I sat down
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  Speaker 1: with him, he sent me into the library adjacent to
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  Speaker 1: his office to get William Blikes Disraeli and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's around page two seventy there's a quote,
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  Speaker 1: and he gave me the quote. His library was massive,
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  Speaker 1: and his recall of what was in his library was impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think we've got very many intellects in the
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  Speaker 1: public sphere now and the elected public sphere like Nixon was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we have as many as we did then.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was something for Nixon to appoint as
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  Speaker 2: his chief foreign policy advisor Henry Kissinger, or Harvard professor,
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  Speaker 2: and then in the first term to appoint as his
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  Speaker 2: chief domestic policy advisor Daniel Patrick moynihan, another Harvard professor,
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  Speaker 2: both of whom were kind of conservative in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: not so conservative in others. Nixon really, I think, enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: being around intellectuals because he was so bookish and he
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  Speaker 2: was so interested in ideas. We have people like that
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  Speaker 2: in American public life today, but not of the same caliber.
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  Speaker 2: There's just a difference, I think in knowledge. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: that our vice president is coming out with his much
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  Speaker 2: anticipated second book in a few months about his religious journey.
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  Speaker 2: We have a Secretary of State who is just in
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  Speaker 2: Italy talking about the similarities between Spanish and Italian and
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  Speaker 2: saying that he's going to try to learn Italian to
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  Speaker 2: deliver his speech there his next trip to Italy. They're
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  Speaker 2: out there. Tom Cotton of course has a fiercely sharp intellect.
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  Speaker 2: They're out there, but they just need to be encouraged.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that Rubio is shooting
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  Speaker 1: up in the very early opinion pulling about twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight is that he's displayed that intellect in an era
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  Speaker 1: of stupidity and idiocracy is everywhere in an era of ideocracy.
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  Speaker 1: When you step forward, either with Vancer's speech in Europe
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five and Rubio
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  Speaker 1: speech this year, people like that. Matt. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: give you the last minute. I think that Christoph Peeves
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  Speaker 1: is going to mark the New York Times. They'll cost
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  Speaker 1: it it's puzzle subscriptions or it's cooking subscription, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's going to market even worse than the cotton
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  Speaker 1: op ed explosion did it a few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Agree or disagree, I hopefully agree with you. I will
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  Speaker 2: say one last thing, Hugh, and that is in reference
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  Speaker 2: to climate wars and climate change, anti Israel sentiment. Anti
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  Speaker 2: Zionism has replaced the climate hysteria as the linking concept
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  Speaker 2: on the left, and that's bad not only for supporters
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  Speaker 2: of Israel. Ultimately, it's very bad for the left and
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  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, it's going to ruin him. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: make them a party of cranks and conspiracy theorists that
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  Speaker 1: will be open to dryfist level flowback when the facts
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  Speaker 1: come out. Matt Cottenny, Thanks, I hope to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you on Friday. Follo him on Exa Cotteneddy read him
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  Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal. Stay tuned to today as
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  Speaker 1: you hear at show You're back America. I'm Hugh Hewittt,
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  Speaker 1: joined now by Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm making Rich to a distasteful thing, which is to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the Nick christoph column in the New York Times,
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  Speaker 1: the opinion pieces entitled The Silence that Meets the Rape
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  Speaker 1: of Palestinians. It is an absurd piece. It is absurd
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  Speaker 1: on its face. It's also disgusting in its details. And Rich,
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  Speaker 1: you hadn't read it when I first got you on
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  Speaker 1: the line. I don't know if you had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to read it in between. It's so disgusting. I don't
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  Speaker 1: blame you, but it's a blood libel. How does it
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  Speaker 1: get past the New York Times editorial board?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the standard should be you published stories that
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  Speaker 3: you can actually confirm that are true, and Christopher biskally
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  Speaker 3: it admits that he can't do that with regard to
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  Speaker 3: many of these stories, which are utterly fantastical. Reminds me
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of the child abuse hysteria in the
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  Speaker 3: United States having to do with daycare facilities in the
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  Speaker 3: eighties or nineties or wherever it was, where these kids
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  Speaker 3: just said things that just were possible, but they were
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  Speaker 3: believed because it was part of the hysteria or for
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  Speaker 3: ideological reasons. And Zionist rapist dogs is really something worthy
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  Speaker 3: of the protocols of the Elders of Zion and shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be making it into what used to be at least
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  Speaker 3: our paper of record.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the mc martin preschool was based upon quote recovered
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  Speaker 1: memories and that was revealed to be a falsehood Jewish
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  Speaker 1: space lasers. I think that might have been Marjorie Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Green and we all just kind of had to laugh
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  Speaker 1: about that. Then we had the Janet Cook, she invented
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  Speaker 1: serial fabulist. There were other cereal fabulous That's not Nick Christop.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a guest on this show a couple of
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  Speaker 1: not anymore. I'm done, But he wrote good book. What
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  Speaker 1: happens to people to break their brains and lose their
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  Speaker 1: standard Because even if you heard this story thirteen times,
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  Speaker 1: your internal clock would say this is crazy off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when when you want to believe a story, your
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  Speaker 3: standards go out the window and you're guilty of overcredulity,
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  Speaker 3: which clearly seems to be the case here. Now do
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  Speaker 3: I don't doubt you right that there are palestanding prisoners
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  Speaker 3: who are abused. Prisoners are abused in every prison system
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  Speaker 3: in the world, including unfortunately and ours. If your civil,
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  Speaker 3: civilized society is I try to stamp it out and
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  Speaker 3: obviously don't encourage it, and I don't believe Israel does.
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  Speaker 3: But this is part of an ongoing campaign to delegitimize
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  Speaker 3: the Jewish state across every metric. First, it was mass
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  Speaker 3: starvation and gazo remember that hysteria. New York Times also
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  Speaker 3: guilty of pushing bad information.
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  Speaker 4: In that regard, and there it was. It was a myth.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: Look, it was a difficult situation because there was an
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  Speaker 3: ongoing urban warfare started by Hamas right, and could have
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  Speaker 3: been ended very quickly if Hamas has stood up and
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  Speaker 3: fought like regular soldiers and been you know, wiped out
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  Speaker 3: in a day by is real, but that's not what
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  Speaker 3: they did. They obviously hit with among civilians and civilian infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: Now I have this, it's never going to stop. There's
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  Speaker 3: something about Jews that drives people crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a spiritual element to it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's literally infernal, and this is just another symptom.
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's infernal. I do think it reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of the Dreyfus affair. I just talked to Matt
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  Speaker 1: Continentny about that, the accusation against the French Jewish officer
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  Speaker 1: at the turn of the nineteenth century. He was unjustly
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  Speaker 1: sent to Devil's Island, later exonerated, served on honorabily in
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  Speaker 1: World War One. It was the work of antisemitic extremists
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  Speaker 1: within the French army. And usually this sort of stuff
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  Speaker 1: jumps out at you and you kind of see it.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't expect to see it in the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times, and I think it's a very alarming omen.
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  Speaker 1: Your colleague, who I greatly admired, Charles C. W. Cook,
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  Speaker 1: always says that's a non falsifiable proposition. I can't argue
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  Speaker 1: with it. What Nick has done is string together a
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  Speaker 1: dozen non false, reviable first person testimonies, which reminded me
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  Speaker 1: of the Brett Kavanaugh testimony and the Clarence Thomas testimony,
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  Speaker 1: non falsifiable that fell apart upon scrutiny. But we can't
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  Speaker 1: scrutinize these people. They're not under ope, they're not in
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  Speaker 1: a public here. I really am astonished the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times published this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not coming to Congress to testify unders
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  Speaker 3: As you point out, also, just the nature of this,
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  Speaker 3: and this was part of the allure of this kind
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  Speaker 3: of charge against Kavanaugh on Thomas right, is.
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  Speaker 4: Once you've made the charge that itself does a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the work. For a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: All they know is the headline, They hear the accusation,
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  Speaker 3: they don't look into it.
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  Speaker 4: There's kind to believe it and go on.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why Thomas is so excoriating, and then kevanaugh
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  Speaker 3: two in their own defenses, because this is a libelous
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy ike game just inherently.
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  Speaker 1: And there's I don't know what to do with except
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  Speaker 1: to tell everyone it's ridiculous, absurd, and it has done
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  Speaker 1: everything to demolish Nick Christoff's reputation as a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good guy for decades. You know, it goes
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  Speaker 1: to Africa. A Path of Peers is one of his books.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing his wife our du goodiers. He wanted to run
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  Speaker 1: for governor in Oregon, and all of a sudden it collapses.
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  Speaker 1: And it does raise this question about anti Semitism in
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  Speaker 1: America exploding at what rate do you see it accelerating?
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  Speaker 1: You and I are you're episcopalion, I'm a Catholic, We're
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  Speaker 1: not Jews, but we're both concerned by its sudden explosion. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think Matt is right.
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  Speaker 3: I heard the end of his interview with you where
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  Speaker 3: he's talking about this being the new organizing principle making
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  Speaker 3: all the various factions with the Democratic Party cohre. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's the problem on the right. We have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of influencers that are pushing this stuff. It's hideous, but
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  Speaker 3: we haven't seen it really get traction with office holders,
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  Speaker 3: with the mainstream of the of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not true on the Democratic side.
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  Speaker 3: This has real tora action to have centators voting as
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  Speaker 3: an aid to Israel. You have these out there candidates
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  Speaker 3: winning primaries. Maybe the next domino to fall will be
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  Speaker 3: the Michigan Center primary. So this is deeply concerning. You
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  Speaker 3: at least have one political party compromised by this stuff,
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  Speaker 3: with the perhaps the future of the other up for graphs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had breakfast this money with the Republican legislator
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  Speaker 1: and I put forward the proposition the Democrats are collapsing
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  Speaker 1: into idiocracy and they're stuck with AOC who I don't
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  Speaker 1: think reads books. Do you think she reads books?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, she doesn't read books. No, welly, don't you
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  Speaker 4: have time to read books? What is the evidence she's
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  Speaker 4: ever read a book?
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  Speaker 1: And Gretchen Whitmer, who can't give a coherent answer. And
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  Speaker 1: Munich Gavin Newsom is not going to win the spelling
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  Speaker 1: bee either. What's happened to the political class?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is the problem to have, right.
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  Speaker 3: Trump's standing is not great at the moment going into
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  Speaker 3: these mid terms, but you look at that generic valid
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  Speaker 3: and depending on the polling pull you look at, it's
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  Speaker 3: not terrible for Republicans. And I don't think they're doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot, that's right, It's just the Democratic Party's image
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  Speaker 3: is still in the toilet. They have not recovered from
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, in fact, have declined more since then.
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  Speaker 3: And you look at potential standard bears in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight and there are not many that you're inherently afraid of.
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  Speaker 1: Now exit question, Rich Lowry. I think the Iran war
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  Speaker 1: can be a political winner. It's a geopolitical winner. It
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  Speaker 1: has to be done. They can't have a nuke because
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  Speaker 1: they would use it. It's that simple. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: the president is making the He's making the argument they
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: can't have a nuke, But do you think he's adequately
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: making the argument why, which is because of their lunatics.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I think he is to the best of his abilities.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I think this is one of the things, like the
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: state of the economy, where it just matters whether you
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: what the fact is on the ground rather than what
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: you're saying.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: About saying about it. So you can if you can
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: conclude this, reopen the.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Straight get some sort of deal that's better than the
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: g JCPOA.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Even marginally so.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, you have the devastation you've
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: brought on the vote weapon systems in Iran, on their
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: economy in Iran, such as it will take them.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Years to recover.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I think that's a net benefit to our national security.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: But whether it's going to be a upside to it politically,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I doubt. I think it's mostly avoiding downsides.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, we disagree, Rich Lowry. I think Americans like winning conflicts,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and if you can win, force the straight open, push
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the regime back on its heels, it'll matter in the fall.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Rich Lowry, editor of National New Parliament. Rich Lowry on
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: X follow me the next segment, go back in America.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That was President Trump leaving for China today on the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: White House lawn. They're either going to do the right thing,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: meaning Iran, or we'll finish the job, meaning a resumption
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of combat. I'm joined by David Drucker, chief political analyst
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: over at the Dispatch. David, right now, I believe the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Iran warren most public opinion polling is very unpopular. I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: also believe right now doesn't matter. What matters is how
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it is by the time voting opens up in October.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You agree with my assessment of that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Well, it always matters more once the voting begins, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I guess we could look at early voting. You're correct
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: there to note you some of this voting will get
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: underway in October, not November.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: And so I'm not worried. A lot of sky's falling.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Republicans are worried about the numbers. I'm not worrying. You
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: got to win the war, though, David, what is your
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: take on the redistricting wars? Assuming for the moment, the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: same number of people turn out in the same districts
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and they vote the same way as they did in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty four, who's winning? Those are big assumptions.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I realized that. But who's winning in the regals?
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I think I've thought about this.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: You haven't written about it yet, But I think the
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: better way to look at this, or the way to
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: look at this, is that the Republicans have a very
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: threadbare majority. It's just it's less than a handful of seats,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: and that would mean that you don't need some big
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: blue Democrats wave for Democrats to take control of the
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: House of Representatives.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: It's sort of the reverse of what.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Was going on in twenty twenty two, where Republicans didn't
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: need to win a lot of seats to take back
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: the House, and they didn't win that much, but they
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: want enough to take back the House, and so you know, now,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: when we're looking at the majority, I think, you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I'm waiting to get to a place where I can
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: add up the number of safe seats versus safe seats,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: what that majority looks like in theory, even though those
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: seats are still somewhat contested, and then what are the
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: true number of toss ups. I'd say that obviously, anytime
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you can put yourself in a position to increase your majority,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: which redistricting for now for Republicans appear to have. It
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: appears that that's what it has done, then you're going
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: to be in better shape than you were. Is it
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: going to be enough to withstand a wave or even
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: a decent sized swell. Probably not, but nothing is certain
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: in politics, and so you do everything you can to
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: maximize your position.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Now, I think that's the Cook Political Report, which is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: always kind of right down the middle, that right now
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: they say, worst case for Republicans, they have improved in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: two districts. Best case for Republicans, they've improved in twelve.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they get to those numbers, because
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it ought to be the same. Either they've increased the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Republican registration or the Trump voter registration in each of it,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: but generally speaking, more districts have been impacted by Republican
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: efforts to redraw than have been impacted by Democrat efforts
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to redraw because of the Virginia map, that fair assessment.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not just the Virginia map, it's the Calais
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: decision out of New Orleans, right, So that allowed Louisiana
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to redo its map to boost Republicans seats by one.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: And that ruling has allowed other states in the South
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: where seats were sub to the Voting Rights Act, to
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: redraw maps. So we're seeing that in Tennessee and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: think possibly Alabama. We might see it elsewhere. And so
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: you combine that with the what happened in Virginia with
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: the state Supreme Court throwing out the net gain, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: think it would have been a net gain of four
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: for Democrats, and that you know, that helps boost Republican margins. Again,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: I don't just given the size of the majority to
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: begin with with, so threadbare, don't know that it's going
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: to be enough, but it is going to to create
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: a margin that is bigger than what the majority appears today,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: and it's going to mean that the minimum gain for
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Democrats to win back, the House naturally goes up if it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Is a blue wave. I also want to caution my
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Republican listener. If it is a blue wave in twenty six,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that means the states that take you in a party
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: control both houses of the state House except Nebraska, which
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is Unit Camel, and the governorship can write the maps. Again.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: We're in an era of maximum partisanship. Like you're fully employed,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: David Drucker, this is your thing. You're fully employed for
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: as long as you want. Because we are in the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: middle of partisanship time.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I just don't think it'll be interesting to see
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: what happens here. But I don't know that this is
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: going to go away anytime soon until sort of a
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: fever subsides, right, because there are some states that maybe
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: didn't have time to do things this time around that'll
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: look back on how you know this went, and they'll
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: do things in twenty eight. We have reapportionment in thirty
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: then people will be looking to mess with that in
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: thirty two.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Eventually the fever will subside.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: When that happens, I don't know, And it also just
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: depends on who's in charge and what the majorities look Like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: what I always caution people is that you know, every
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: ten years, let's just take this mid decade stuff out,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: every ten years is reapportionment, and usually by the end
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: of the ten years, you've seen the political character of
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: a lot of the districts change that they're not as
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: safe as they once were.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: And so you know, there is that to take in mind.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, how many times we live through
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: you know, there was a permanent Republican majority coming out
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: of four, there was a permanent Democratic majority coming out
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: of O eight.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Nothing is certain. These things always change.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Have you asked anyone yet have you done the reporting
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: on how AI is going to impact redistricting? They don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: have to use rates anymore, Hey shouldn't. It's unconstitutional. You
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: can use partisanship, but that's not a great reliable indicator anymore.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: AI ought to be able to use shopping data, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and I'd be able to pick up all the indicators
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of R or D and perfect them for whoever has
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: drawn the map. Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Look, I haven't asked anyone that specific question, but I've
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: been thinking about it, and we're so now advanced that
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: you know you're going to have to replace the word
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: gerrymander with something else, because they probably can draw maps
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: with districts that are do wu's or q's or you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: infinity symbols, and just to overlay them. Because these computers,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: you know, even now have been able to basically, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: put my neighbor in one district, me in another district,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: and my neighbor to the other side in a third district.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's how we're fine. These things have gotten now.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: They can cut cull the sacks in half. I do
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be fascinating. And you're right, Gary,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: mandering is as old as the Republic Elbridge. Gary, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we can, however, go from red and blue to one
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and two. I hadn't thought about that. That's good article.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: You going to write that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: I might.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good article. David Drucker. Follow him
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: in the Dispatch. Follow him on X David M. Drucker.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: The maximum partisanship age in which we are embarked isn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: going to end anytime soon, and neither will the employment
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: demand for people like David Drucker who know what they're
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: talking about. Thank you, David. I'll be right back in America.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. LyX is here Lilacs, which you can find
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: at change Lilacs dot substack dot com, joins us from
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: many Minneapolis and Minnesota called James. You think we're gonna
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: win it peacefully or some other way, some other way.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: I think I'm not exactly sure what peacefully winning it
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: looks like. I'm not exactly sure who we're talking to.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: I know that I have one metric. If the Mullas
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: are around at the end of it, then we didn't win.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but that government has to go. It no
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: longer has to be the guys looking at the well
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: to see if the twelfth the mom is going to
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: hop out.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Those guys have to go.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: I don't care if it's the shaw, I don't care
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: if it's some you know, somebody we install, or some
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: domestic political but the Mulas they've got to go.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Theological fanatics are the problem. And the answer is they've
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: got to go. And I agree with that that that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: is regime change. And I don't think I started out there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But they are crazy. They were crazy before and they're
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: crazy now, and so they're the problem and they've got
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to go now, James. The second problem is they are
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic in the extreme and Iran and that is
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: real death the United States is their theology. Apparently. Nick
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Christof for the New York Times, for decades I've had
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on this show. I thought of him as an old
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: fashioned center left liberal of good art and reportorial chops.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And then he unleashes this four thousand word the Silence
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that meets the Rape of the Palestinians.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Have you read it yet, I've read portions of it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, what do you think of it?
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: It's nonsense.
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: Within a probably, I don't know, an hour or so
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: after the piece was published, a couple of things happened,
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: and it shows with the new media environment that we
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: live in. In the old day, somebody would have come
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: out with something like that, and it would have been
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: a Time magazine story. It would have been sitting in
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: the dentist's office for everybody to read. It would have
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: been part of the media firmament. It would have been
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: widely disseminated. Now it shows up not.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: As a news storyline you, but as an opinion story.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: It shows up online, and the first place a lot
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: of people see it is when it gets debunked, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: it gets debunked by people who know they who know
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: the Middle East and who know the actors involved and
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: are able to say, well, actually, this guy, this is
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: what he said, this is what he does, this is
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: what he was accused, and lays out for you exactly
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: all the things that Christoph declined to add to the piece.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: So while I read part of it and I'm looking
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: at this, I was able, thanks to X thanks to
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Elon Musk, to be able to see an almost real
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: time dis section of the piece that led me to
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: believe that this was all this was. This was a
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: fabulous nonsense and it made me wonder why. And again
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: it's it's the searching and the grasping and the trying
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: to find some reason to be legitimately anti Semitic is
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: one of those strange things that people see that seems
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: to animate the culture today and on both sides. So yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: I mean it's it does rise to the level of
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: the Drethus affair, you know, probably not, But I did
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: see a lot of Jacques cues from a lot of
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: people on Twitter.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Almost instantly, And that's good.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Now, if everything the piece is shown to be true
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: and he's and he can back it all up, then
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: Twitter is where.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: It's going to play out. That's now the argument take place.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: No, the media environment into which it dropped had furrows
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: plowed in it for years by the ABU grab photos,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: which are a real scandal that really did happen, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we did abuse prisoners and we paid the price, by
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the Clarence Thomas Herrington, by the Brett Kavani Hearrington, by
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the me too movement, and that all kind of creates
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a median environment in which if you can find twelve
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: people who may or may not have communicated with each other,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: but there's no way to check their story, and there's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: no other reporter involved, and there's no b team checking
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it because it's in the opinion section. Apparently you can
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: publish anything James in the New York Times.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: That is extraordinary.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, even though I worked in opinion in that
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: I've been an opinion into newspapers all of my life,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: I was never an actual factual reporter where I had
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: to do the hard leg work of getting quotes and
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: the rest of it. When I would meet young journalists
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: and I would tell them, you know, the thing to
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: do when you go out there in the field is
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: make sure you get the quote that you want so
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: you don't have to make it up later and they
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: would look at me Stunn tonight.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Have to tell them I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: Always be true, always be truthful. But opinion is different. Opinion.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: You could shade opinion, You can give your arguments. But
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: what Christof did, even though it was opinion piece, it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: factually grounded. And so I don't know how there aren't,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: as the New Yorker used to say, levels and levels
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: and levels of fact checking, or whether or not it's just
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: become so underpopulated to that place that they haven't got
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: the means of the opportunity or the manpower to do it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: But I'm surprised it got out, and I'm going to
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: be interested to see what the response is going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: be of the New York Times.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: They may live for.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Seven years, and opinion columns for the Washington Post. Every
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: column for the Post, and there were hundreds, was fact
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: check everyone. And if I couldn't defend something, if I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't point to something that backed me up, if I
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was making an assertion effect, it got dropped from the column.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could say I like Donald Trump, I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: don't like Donald Trump. That's pure opinion. But if I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: said Donald Trump appeared in Pittsburgh three times in the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: campaign for I have to prove that. And I just
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: don't understand how you get away with this stuff.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: No, And the thing is, any journalist will know this
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: opinion or otherwise. The most mortifying emotion you can have
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: is that slusive dread that shoots up your esophagus the
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: moment you realize that you've got something wrong. You don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: want to get it wrong. First of all, your boss
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: is going to be staring at you. Secondly, there's going
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: to be a correction in the paper. And nothing makes
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: you just shrivel into a prune of failure that a correction.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: And I've had a few in my days, and that
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: you do anything to avoid them. You check, you look,
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: you read your stuf. So again, maybe there's a certain
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: amount of hubers that attends at a particular level where
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: you just say, I am a columnist for the New
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: York Times, ergo I.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Say what I wish.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: I don't know, but it seems to me that we'll
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: say anyway, it's going to be forgotten in a week
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: or so because we'll be talking about UFOs or.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Don't know, because it's peak anti Semitism in America. We've
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: got a lot of jew Aiters in America, and they've
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: been around for a long time. They were mostly on
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the crank right. Yeah, but.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: We're right. But it's not being seen through that lens.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: So you can say this isn't about the Jews, it's
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: just simply about Zionists and the behavior of some people
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: in Israel. It's not about could about anybody. We're always
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: told at Israel is a multicultural estate. How do we
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: know that there are Muslims who are abusing these people?
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: So I meant, I'm not saying that's true. I'm just
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: saying they have cover if they want to go that road.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The Jewish space lasers, do you remember that story?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely, Marjorie Jailer.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: You know, the ability to get to control the weather,
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: Jewish space lasers and you know all the other things write.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And we instantly knew they were duocracy. We instantly knew
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: they came from nowhere. How come we don't instantly know
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that dogs trained to rape people. It's just idiocrasy.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: Because it just it may not be true specifically in
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: this instance, but to the people who want to believe it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: It's generally true if you believe that your enemy is
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: a dehumanized monster, that they will do absolutely anything that
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: they'll get in German shepherds, and isn't that ironic to
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: perform their torture.
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they'll believe this, you know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Okay, so it didn't happen to this guy, but we
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: know what they're capable of because we have.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: Seen the film.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Well, no, you've seen the ai, you've seen the story,
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: you've seen the rest of it. If you have the
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: mindset where you've conflated Israel's Zionism, Jewishness all into the
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: modern day Nazi equivalent of committing genocide because of Gaza,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: which apparently Israel just did for no reason in the world,
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: then yeah, you're going to believe anything. You're absolutely because you,
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: in the words of Fox Moulder, you want to.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Believe you live in one of the hothouses of idiocracy,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it's getting better. You might want
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to move to the verbs, James. I know you went downtown.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You may want to move to the burbs.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I am in the I am in the Burbs.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I am in the burbs.
• 34:56
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• 34:59
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• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. Lylax can be right at
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: James Lylacs dot substack dot com. Thank you, James, I'll
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: be right back. Hewett Byron New York is the chief
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: political correspondent for the Washington Examiner. I'm a columnist for
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the Examiner. Buyern. I got a column coming out tomorrow
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: about the fact I think President Trump had been very
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: good about messaging the objective of the battle with Iran
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: they don't get a nuclear weapon, but not the why,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: which is lunatics can't have nuclear weapon. Do you think
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: he's been good on the second part?
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: No, look up until pretty recently, he hasn't been great
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: on any parts of it. And you and I have
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: been talking about this ever since Sebruary twenty eighth, when
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: he started this war and really did not explain until
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: after it began what was going on. But actually I
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: just watched the extended as about fifteen eighteen minute meeting
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: with the press that Trump dissed on the way to
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: the helicopter at the White House. Setting off to China,
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: and he really had refined everything down to three sentences,
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: which are Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, preventing that
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: is worth an economic hit. As soon as the war
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: is over, the US economy will boom. That's it. One,
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: two three. He said it over and over and over again.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: But the why, my argument is, you've got to tell people, well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Pakistan's got nukes, India's got nukes, China and the United States, France,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: England we've got nukes, Russia's got it. Why can't Iran
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: have nukes? Israel's got nukes. And the answer is they're
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: lunatics and they'll use them. And I think that's the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: part that's missing. What do you think, Well.
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: They could make it a four sentence right now. Iran
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: cannot have a nuclear weapon because crazy people cannot have
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: nuclear weapons.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: That's all that is worth an economic hit. As soon
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: as the war's over, the economy will boom. Okay, there
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: you go, Okay, so over again and a clause and
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: explain the whole darn thing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: That's it, over and over again. Now let's go to redistricting.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You have a scorecard in your head, what is it?
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that, you know. First of all, I
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: just want to say before this, I think it's a
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: bad idea to get this whole thing started with Republicans
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: in Texas. I don't really like the idea. I'm up
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: with the idea that state's populations can change dramatically inside
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: of a ten year period between censuses and need some
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: sort of redistricting. But the way this has been done
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: has been pretty terrible.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Can I give you a counter? Can I give you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a counter? The use of race is unconstitutional and should
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: have ended years ago, decades ago, and every district drawn
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: with an ion rate it would have except for Anthony
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Kennedy's incoherent turist prisons. So for the Court to finally
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: come out in Clay and say no, Moss, I'm all
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in favor of that, well, yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: But that's to me, that's separate. I mean the redistricting fight,
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: uh started. The Texas efforts started before the court, Yes
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: and so and now Texas I thought had the best
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: case because of the way their population had changed in
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: the last five years. So they made a good chance,
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: a good case for kind of like mid cycle redistricting.
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: But it was done in a non systematic way. Let's
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: say that they just went ahead and did it. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: now with I mean with the defeat of the Virginia Plan,
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: you basically have the benefits that the Republicans may have
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: gotten in Texas, countered by the benefits that Democrats got
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: in California. But then you have the benefits that Republicans
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: are getting in Florida, and then you have possible benefits
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: in South Carolina. There was something in Indiana, then then a.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Couple of Ohio, one in Missouri, Tennessee, and I think
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: for in Alabama maybe yes.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: So my opinion had been earlier that this midterm situation
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: looked so bad for Republicans just looking at it in
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: terms of history, the generic ballot issue that you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: the general sort of run of issues, and the way
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: midterms have run out in the past, including President Trump's
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: first midterm in twenty eighteen, and the fact that the
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: Republicans have a historically narrow margin. If they lost literally
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: a handful of seats, that is, five seats, they would
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: lose the House. So just looking at that, you thought, well, look,
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: this is just the fact Democrats are going to win.
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: That's just all it is to it. This has this
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: redistricting stuff has made it a lot closer. CNN has
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: a new poll. Harry Anton came out and was talking
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: a lot about it today about how the generic ballot
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: question is not moving in democrats favor right now. People really,
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: as much as they disapprove of what a lot of
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: things Republicans have done, they equally disapprove of things Democrats
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: have done. So it's more of a contest than me
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: just saying no way, although I still think Democrats are
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: favored by a margin that is larger than whatever the
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: redistricting changes amount to.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: That's where I am simply because of what I call
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the title charts of American politics. It's the sixth year
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of a presidency. People get tired of that president's party
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and they vote for the other one. And that doesn't
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: always happen, but in the sixth year it usually does.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And if you can dodge the bullet, great, But so
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: this's got enough weird stuff in it. But generally I'd
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: rather be the Democrats than the Republicans right now, wouldn't you?
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah. And you know there's another thing, which
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: is Americans generally don't like United Government. He voted in
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: you know, the last two years. A lot of times
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: you've gotten cases of united government in the right now
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: in the first, you know, the first two years of
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: a number of presidencies, and then they get rid of it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: So I just I just think that's probably gonna happen,
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: and we should say that we're not talking about the Senate.
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: I do think that it looks right now like Republicans
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: would hang on to the Senate, which is absolutely essential
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: because losing the House means that one Trump loses any
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: sort of legislative agenda he might have had, which I
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: don't think he really had, and he could well get impeached,
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: which he's been there, done that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit more pessimistic than you are, Byron, only.
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: Because he means no nominations.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we get zero, but that's a tough thing for
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the average voter to figure out. But I do think
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: we were vulnerable in Ohio and North Carolina. I don't
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: think Susan Collins is vulnerable, but if John Cornyn doesn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: win the runoff with Jackson, we're vulnerable in Texas. That's three.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Then it takes one upset, right, And yeah, it's good,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you're right.
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: I mean, the Republicans have fifty three seats in the Senate,
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: which is a fairly large margin in the recent historical terms.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: But you're right it could if they Look if they
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: lose the Senate, then basically you just have warfare for
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: the next allah Hakem Jeffries for the next two years,
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: plus Trump using his executive authority to do stuff, which
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: is what he's been doing for the first two years anyway,
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: and a.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Record number of pardons that will be coming from the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: White House. If that happened, Maybe that'll happen anyway. Byron
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: new York, fellow of Fox News, contributor to Washington gemin
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a chief political correspondent. Follow him on x at Byron
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: new York Follow me the next segment of today's You
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Hewitt Show The Beltway, joined this hour by the United
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: States Center. Your dead Fisher from Nebraska. Senator Fisher sits
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: on Armed Services. So Fisher big budgeteering today for Secretary
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Exits and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Cain about
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the one point five trillion dollar budget request. First of all,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: your general reaction to the one point five trillion? What
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: do you think of that?
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: Why PLoud the President for getting us a number that
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: we need to see. You know, we're looking at a
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: number of threats to this country. The President understands that,
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: and he is determined to meet the needs that those
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: threats present us with, whether that's the continued on time
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: modernization of our nuclear triad and the platforms, the building
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: we have of Golden Dome. And remember, Hugh, this one
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: point five trillion dollars. That's a little less than five
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: percent of our GDP. That's what we expect our NATO
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: parts to do. So I think that's good that we
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: focus on that. That we're meeting an obligation there that
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: we've put on our NATO partners. So it's something we
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: need to do if we're going to continue to protect
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: our homeland.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Now, a couple of details. The Secretary proposed a seven
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: percent payhike for our troops. That would be the largest
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: payhike in my memory. I think it's long overdue. As
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: well as housing improvement for our enlisted men women in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: all of the branches wherever that is needed. That's also
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: long overdue. You think there's going to be a pushback
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: on those two numbers.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I hope not.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: You know, we've always been very supportive of the troops
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: we've never seen an increase like the President is going
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: to be proposing with this seven percent increase.
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: But remember too, we have an all volunteer force.
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: These are the best of our country that step forward,
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: the men and women to serve to defend their fellow citizens, to.
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: Protect our homeland.
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: We need to compensate them fairly.
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: We need to make sure that they have.
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: Decent places to live. That's because of the service.
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: That they give this country. It's what they deserve.
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: So I hope we can work that out through the budget.
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: If we can meet it, that's fine. If we can
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: get close to it, that's fine.
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: But that is a number one priority to take care
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: of those men and women who step forward to serve
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: this country.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Now. Chairwoman Collins, who is the Senator from Maine, it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: is the chairwoman of the Appropriations Committee, and Leader Emeretis
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: McConnell both raised questions about using a supplemental or using reconciliation.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Supplemental is a different thing using reconciliation, because I believe
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it was Leader Emeretus McConnell who said, hey, look, we
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: got to put these things in the budget, otherwise it's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a hinky dec start stop funding. How do you view
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that does it really matter if the money comes in.
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: You know, I want to make sure we follow regular order,
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: and with the Appropriations Committee, under the leadership of Sender Collins,
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: we have been able to get the bills to the floor.
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: John Thune has put those bills up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: As he said he would, and we have gotten them
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: passed and followed regular order.
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: I worry about reconciliation.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: If that's the way we have to go, then I
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: think we have to do it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: But I'm hoping that our.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Democrat colleagues are going to step forward and really fund
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: the military as it should be funded. You know, programs
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: like Golden Dome. Hugh, there's I think twenty four million
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: in for that. Well that was to be able to
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: put up the radar sensors, the interceptors. Now we need
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: to continue the funding for that. And if it's all
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: in reconciliation, I worry.
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: That it's not going to be sustained.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: That program has to be sustained befo we're going to
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: have missile defense here over the country.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Sarah Fisher, you're a Republican. You're sort of in the
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: center of the left right center spectrum, as is Nebraska.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Is there widespread support for Golden Dome, because if we've
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: learned anything from the battle with Iran and the attacks
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: on Israel over the last three years, it's that missiles
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: are the next fifty years of warfare, and we need
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: missile defense. Do you have Democrats who are along with
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you on this?
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: I hope so you know, and I think we do.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: In the FY twenty four NDAA, I put a provision
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: in there that required the Department to do a study
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: on this layered defense system to make sure we have
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: the radar as the censors that we needed to protect
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: the homeland.
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: Because we know that our homeland is vulnerable.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: We've been shown that by our adversaries who are developing
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: more and more capable those long distance ballistic missiles to
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: reach the United States.
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: So we had that in the budget.
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: We had it in there in the NDAA, it was
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: in the budget. We got it done during the Biden administration.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: What I worry about is my Democrat colleagues, many times,
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: their first reaction to anything nowadays is that it's President Trump's.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: It's President's Trump's. They don't want to do it because
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: it's President Trump. Well, let's remember that we did this
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: in the Senate in the NDAA during the Biden administration.
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: So I hope that they're going to step forward in
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: order to continue funding for this vital program that we
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: need to be able to detect, to track, and then
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: destroy any incoming missiles that come into the United States.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Now, i'd like to ask you, Senator Fisher, about munitions.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: On Sunday, Senator Kelly of Arizona told Margaret Brennan on CBS,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: we have reached critical levels in our munition stockpile. There
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: was some criticism whether or not he was talking about
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that which had been delivered in a classified hearing. Senator
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Cotton on this program yesterday, declined to comment on Senator
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Kelly's characterization, but he said we've got what we need
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and we need to build more faster. What Senator Fisher
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: say about our munition stockpiles.
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I don't discuss what we hear
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: in classified briefings, and as you know, I h you
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: we have a number of those, Especially as chairman of
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: this Strategic Courses Subcommittee, I can have two or more
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: a week on those. But what I would do is
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: echo Senator Cotton's comments. Our adversary should not think that
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: we are in any kind.
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: Of perilous position.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: We have what we need to defend this country, to
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: move ahead with the objectives that we currently are faced with,
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: and we will continue on a path to produce more
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: munitions for ourselves and our allies now.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Senator Trump, Senator Trump, President Trump. Before he left for
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: China today, Senator Fisher said about Iran repeatedly, We're going
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to do this one way or the other. We can
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: do it peacefully, or we can just resume, and then
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: he implied combat operation. What do you think is more likely?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Because I don't see the Iranians in any hurry to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: sit down with us in a serious way to repudiate
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons and export there enrich uranium. Do you.
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: I think they're stalling. I think they're stalling for as
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: long as they.
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: Can, and that's not something that we should accept. I
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: agree that the President has taken the action that was
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: definitely needed. Ron is an exubstantial threat to the United States.
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: We needed to take out their navy.
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: We needed to take out those mid range ballistic missiles
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: that they still have some but they were continuing to
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: build to kind of hide their nuclear program that they.
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: Were building as well.
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: I support continuing this operation until we make sure that
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: they cannot move ahead anytime soon in achieving nuclear weapons
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: or the capability for those platforms to be built that
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: would reach our homeland.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Now today, Senator or Coons, this smart guy been on
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the show a number of time to like Senderra Coons
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: a lot. He said the Secretary headset the ear pilot up.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Tactical wins, but a strategic loss. And he was challenged
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: on that by the secondary work. And I have to
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: agree with Pete Eggs. It's been seventy four days. It's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: hard to say strategic anything, isn't it Because it's seventy
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: four days. This could take months.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: Oh, I think Senator Koons is plain politics. You know again,
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: what we hear from from a lot of Democrats is
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: in response to just who is our president right now?
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: Our president is Donald Trump. They don't like that, and
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: I think they will continue to make observations like that.
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: They'll continue to snipe at anything they possibly can, and people.
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: Need to understand that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: Disappointing as it is, I just hope when our committee
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: comes together, the Armed Services Committee comes together, and I'm
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: also on Approcreations Committee, when those committees come to get
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: other we are able to work in a bipartisan manner
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: as we have in the past, so that we can
• 53:06
  Speaker 8: meet the needs that we have in order to defend
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: our country, to protect our national security.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Most important thing that the Congress does, and you're deeply
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: involved in it. Thanks for the time today, Senator Deborah Fisher,
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  Speaker 1: Staff and Elliot Ackerman. Let me let me read to
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  Speaker 1: you the first three pages the setup of the book,
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  Speaker 1: A brief history of the twenty first century through twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighty four. Like nature, geopolitics abhorres a vacuum. The war
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: between the United States and China in twenty thirty four
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: devastated each nation, upending a fragile world order based on
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: their competition. By mid century, both were trying to claw
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: their way back to superpower status. Neither had succeeded. By
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: twenty fifty four, civil conflict consumed the United States, stalling
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: its forward momentum, while in China, demographic time bomb detonated,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and the fundamental imbalance between an unnationally high number of
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: males and a far smaller female population triggered as sociological
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: collapse into that vacuum. Step two dynamic new powers India
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and Japan, those countries rejuvenated by the advent of artificial
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: intelligence and robotics, assumed positions of primacy. But it wasn't
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: only India and Japan. Also Brazil, Indonesia, and Nigeria, with
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: huge populations and dynamic leaders brought the global South into prominence.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: By the end of the twenty fifties, the balance of
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: power in the world had shifted. Okay, so we're getting
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: close to when the book begins. In the decade that followed,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a new and powerful force began to make itself out.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: It was not a nation, far from it. It was
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the Earth itself, a huge and tortured ecosystem that had
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: never recovered from ecological abuses inflicted in prior decades. When
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the global community, vibrating between populist movements and economic excess,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: walked away from efforts to mitigate climate chain, massive storms
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: unlike those ever seen in recorded history battered the planet
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: in the twenty sixties. In the seventies, a traditional hurricane
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: season that once peaked between August and October had become
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: a quaint and nostalgic temporal boundary that no longer applied.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: As storms came in on unpredictable waves. During the year,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: sea levels rose globally, swamping hundreds of major cities, especially
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the mega cities of Southeast Asia. Superstorms washed away coastline,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: hiving off entire land masses in the global North and South.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Wildfires and droughts struck in the mid latitude nations clustered
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: near the equator. By the late twenty seventies, an uninhabitable
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: band circled the middle of the planet. Nations in this
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: ever widening band, Indonesia, Kenyon, Nigeria, Brazil, Columbia, Ecuador, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: others saw a massive and sudden drop in the viability
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: of their statehood as their populations became suddenly unable to
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: sustain basic economic activity. By the twenty eighties, this march
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: of cat catastrophic events, each more terrible than the last,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: consumed the globe and threatened all of humanity. Penultimate paragraph,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: economies that had arisen in the twenty fifties now found
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: themselves in the uninhabitable band. Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil had all
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: invested in highly capable militaries, constructed and maintained at great costs,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: but they had little utility in the face of such
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: an implacable foe. Such relics of the previous decade in
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: prosperity and economic growth seemed to mock the leaders of
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: those nations. To the north, a weakened but still formidable
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: United States and China entered an uneasy alliance full of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: mutual suspicion, but both countries felt that, given the lingering
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: costs of their earlier war, they were better in league
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: with each other than operating alone. They had a name
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: for themselves and those who would all with them, the Consort. Meanwhile,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the nations, devastated by the costs of a changing climate,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: drew closer together. They shared a common grievance, the excesses
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: of the lands outside of their own uninhabitable band of countries.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: They began to discuss reparations and new lands for their peoples.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: As their land masses became largely uninhabitable in the capitals
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: of Indonesia and Nigeria and Brazil, clandestine plans were laid.
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  Speaker 1: They called themselves the Reparationists, and the movement was rapidly approaching.
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  Speaker 1: The moment was rapidly approaching when they would need to
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  Speaker 1: use or lose their military p a new world for
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  Speaker 1: their populations, fully one third of the people on Earth,
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  Speaker 1: with the object of the Great Armada of twenty eighty four.
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  Speaker 1: That's the setup. I told the Admiral and Elliott that
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  Speaker 1: There has to be a little bit of science fiction,
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  Speaker 1: sixty years. When you've lived sixty years, you know that
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  Speaker 1: up right here on the Gut Show. Welcome back America,
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  Speaker 1: hu Heerett, as you just heard me read, twenty eighty
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: four is the brand new bestseller for my two guests.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Admiral James Tavritaz retired in United States. He was the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Allied Supreme Commander of NATO. And Elliott Ackerman, longtime novelist,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: also Marine Corps veteran a number of tours in Afghanistan,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Andy Rock. They are both fine novelists. They are both
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: fine writers of nine fiction, and they have combined on
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: this trilogy of which twenty eighty four is the third book.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Admiral Elliott I just got done reading the preface to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: set people up, and so Admiral Wan to throw the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: first one at you. When you jump from twenty fifty
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: four to twenty eighty four, you're kind of in that weird,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: weird world of somewhere between science fiction and thriller. So
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: how did you and Elliott figure out the leaps that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: you would make in science and technology to get here,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Because it's a great you've done it well, but it's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: hard to do.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: First and foremost, we look at the modern world you
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 11: and so we're looking at what's happening in Ukraine. We're
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: looking at what's happening in Iran, and you can see
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 11: the edges of what is developing. Because an awful lot
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: of what we unpackage in the book is what will
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 11: war look like in twenty eighty four. So point one
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: kind of look at the current world. Point two both
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 11: Elliott and I remain close with active duty military, our
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: scientific community, our geopolitical input. We kind of factor that in.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: And then number three, it's a book about conflict, but
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: it's really about humans in conflict.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: So we bring that empathy. I hope to the book.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: You put those elements together, I think you get a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: snapshot of what twenty eighty four could look.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Like, And elliott I got to tell you, Admiral Stavritas
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: taught me a lot about the climate change issue when
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: he said he could sail his destroyer through places and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the Arctic he could not previously do. It's kind of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: res jest. The issue has decided. What did you make
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: about the climate leaps you had to make here? How
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: hard was it for you to imagine these? Well?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 12: I think it's important in the way that climate factors
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 12: into the world we've imagined in twenty eighty four. Is
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 12: it's long been said that geography is destiny when it
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 12: comes to nations.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: But what the.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: Climate is doing right now is it's changing.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: The geography of the globe.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 12: I mean we're seeing this up in the Arctic. We're
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: seeing this right now with the conversations around Greenland. So
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 12: we basically want to extrapolate out not only how the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 12: climate is going to change, but how those climate changes
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 12: are going to change the fundamental realities about how nations
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 12: interact with each other on the planet.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: So back to you, Admiral. The big headache for an
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: interviewer with twenty eighty four as you can't give anything away,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: So I limited my question said to the first forty
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: pages on the theory that no one can get too
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: mad at me if I throw a spoiler at them
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: from the first forty pages the setup. Now, with that said,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I can clearly see this is Jacksonville Survival coded, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: so you're actually saving your hometown here, are you not?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 11: I am the Free Republic of Florida in the vicinity
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 11: of Military Camp DeSantis. I think you can extrapolate that
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: pretty clearly. But it's the northern part of the state
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 11: that survives the rising sea levels, and that Free Republic
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 11: of Florida is very involved in the alliances and the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 11: conflict that unfold. And one of my favorite characters is
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: a kind of old school Floridian Colonel TikTok call Sign
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: TikTok Dundee, who plays a pretty pivotal role. So yeah,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: there's plenty of native Florida inside baseball in the book.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And Elliott, it's Marine Corps coded. Now I am married
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: a Marine Corps colonel daughter, and so I'm kind of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps coded as a civilian. But TikTok was a Marine,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: but then he went over to the dark side. In
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: the Taiwan these wars. How much can people figure out
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the previous two books from reading
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: twenty eighty four? Do you recommend that they start with
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty four, then do twenty fifty four, and then
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: go to twenty eighty four.
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  Speaker 12: You know, twenty eighty four is a standalone book, so
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 12: you'll be able to absolutely enjoy it if you just
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 12: want to pick it up off the shelf, But if
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 12: you want to go deeper, you know, and the whole
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 12: trilogy has been designed this way. Is it's character based.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 12: So yes, you know Colonel TikTok Dundee, you know, marine
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 12: fighter pilot extraordinair who made the decision to fly with
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: the Floridians when they split off from the United States.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: But if you want to go all the way back
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 12: to his lineage, you can see traces of him in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: the first book, twenty thirty four. So as much as
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 12: we're dealing with, you know, like very serious themes I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: in climate change, geopolitics, these are fundamentally books that are
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: rooted in character, and some pretty colorful ones at that.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: So it's emerged of the thriller with sci fi, no fantasy,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: no magic it's all AI, supercomputing and climate change. I'll
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: come back and talk with Admiral Stavritez and Elliott Ackerman
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: about twenty eighty four after the break. Can go and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: order it right now at Amazon dot Com. All of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: you folks who are hooked on the first two, you'll
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: love the third. And if you haven't done the first two,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: get those. But you don't have to. You can go
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and get twenty eighty four if you just want a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: great look sixty years down the road. I'll be right
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: back with you, Admiral Elliott right after this. Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back America, you Hewett with Admiral James Savreti's retired
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: to United States Navy, and Elliott Ackerman. They are the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: co authors of this twenty eighty four, the third book
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: in their trilogy. Elli'll let me start with you. Yesterday
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I listened to another Marine Corps veteran who runs School
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of War, Aaron MacLean, talking to Nick Eberstadt about demographics.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Demographics drive everything in China and the United States. China
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the United States are all allied in twenty eighty four.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Did you guys dive deep into demographic trends when you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: decided to kind of set up the structure of twenty
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: eighty four.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we absolutely did.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: And I think obviously, you know, changing geography, changing geopolitics
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: to make for some pretty unlikely bedfellows. So in the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 12: year twenty eighty four, we see that the United States
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: and China they formed something called the Consortium, And the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: Consortium is an alliance that is pitted against the nations
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: that have really been savaged by changing geography in the world,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 12: the reparationists. And what's really driving so much of the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: conflict in twenty eighty four are immigration trends that just
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: whole parts of the globe are no longer easily inhabitable,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 12: and the people who live there, you know, the demographic populations,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 12: they're shifting and they need places to live too. So
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 12: we're looking not only how geography changes, but how migratory patterns.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Change, and so addmill I think we can tell people
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: without giving away too much. The book opens hard with
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the flotilla off of Old Florida, or on top of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Old Floor, which is underwater. There is no key West,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it's gone. And the flotilla has three groups of ships,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: three different combat concentrations, and they're threatening the consortium. You
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: want to get people just a glimpse of the consortium
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and the reparationists.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: I can, as Elliot said, us China, that's the heart
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 11: of the consortium. Think the industrialized north, if you will,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: and then from the south. The three lead nations are Brazil,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: Nigeria and above all Indonesia, which demographically have exploded but
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: find their options pretty limited. So those are the combatants
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: as the story explodes in front of you. And I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: don't think it gives anything away to say something that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 11: the reparation it's the Nigerians, the Brazilians, the Indonesians.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: What they want is Greenland.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: So in that sense again it ties back to events
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 11: quite in the present day. But by twenty eighty four, Hugh,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: Greenland is going to be among the most arable areas
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: of the world possibly And there's a scene late in
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: the book where a woman is planting vineyards, planting grapes
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: to make wine in Greenland. It looks pretty good if
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 11: you're from the part of the world that's been largely
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: as Eliot's as savaged by the climate.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Now, Admiral, when you get to be our ages, you
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: start planning your retirement. I go to Maine when I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: can you go to Canada. So I guess we're set
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: up well for this climate scenario, aren't we.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: We are way ahead of the curve on that one.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 11: But Q, you and I are both going to live
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 11: to twenty eighty four, so we'll be comparing notes up north.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Then it's interesting. In the Aaron McClain Nick Eberstadt discussion
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: this week in School of War, they say, don't put
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: a top limit on lifespan because it's increasingly increasing so dramatically. Elliott,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: when you sat down with the Admiral, let's sketch this out.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: You had to come up with the reparationists, and you obviously,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: as the Admiral just said, you picked Nigeria, Indonesia, and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: what's the third one in the reparation that's Brazil and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: the first it's so dark and post apocalypse in Brazil.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: When we first come to Brazil, it's it's not a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: very inviting prospect to be equatorial, is it?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: No, not at all?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 12: You know, we just and we see, you know, we
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 12: talk about in the book how they're really no longer
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 12: storm seasons, that the equatorial regions have been hit so
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 12: hard by recurrent storms that we stop naming them, we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 12: just start numbering them.
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  Speaker 4: So we're really, you.
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  Speaker 12: Know, projecting out you know, these types of global trends.
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  Speaker 12: We're taking it one step further. We're saying, how literally
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  Speaker 12: just the geography of the world change, and what will
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  Speaker 12: happen when people can no longer live and nations can
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  Speaker 12: no longer exist on the tree where they've been. And yes,
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  Speaker 12: it starts to look pretty apocalyptic, but we are an
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  Speaker 12: adaptive species, and you know, people are going to want
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  Speaker 12: to find new places to live, and that is going
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  Speaker 12: to be we project a major political crisis.
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  Speaker 1: So I addmir President Trump's on a plane headed right
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  Speaker 1: now to sit down with Jijinping. Should he take twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighty four along with him and say, hey, General Chairman,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be allies in sixty years. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: started now. You think it would work.
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  Speaker 11: I think it's brilliant and I hope he does it.
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  Speaker 11: And what we don't want him to do is to
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  Speaker 11: take the first novel twenty thirty four, which is all
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  Speaker 11: about a ward between the United States and China with
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 11: atomic bombs going off over Galveston and Shanghai. Let's keep
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 11: that one back in the US but this one, you
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  Speaker 11: bet he can take it along.
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  Speaker 1: So ADMA, what happened to the carriers and the first
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  Speaker 1: flotilla that is down south headed north towards North America
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  Speaker 1: that isn't underwater, there are any carriers? What happened to
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  Speaker 1: the carriers?
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  Speaker 11: Well, as we all know, again looking at trend lines
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  Speaker 11: in the world today, it's going to be artificial intelligence, drones,
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  Speaker 11: cruise missiles moving at hypersonic speeds. I think lasers are
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  Speaker 11: going to be the real coin of the realm, robotics.
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  Speaker 11: You'll see all of that in the book, but carriers
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  Speaker 11: not so much.
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  Speaker 1: El What I did appreciate again, I'm a civilian. I've
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  Speaker 1: just been around military culture for forty five years or so,
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  Speaker 1: and I like the fact that your military, across all
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: these different countries retain a great value in credentials that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: are earned, experience and technology. Is that the way of
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  Speaker 1: all militaries that want to keep up in your opinion.
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  Speaker 4: I think absolutely.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, a military is only effective it's a meritocracy.
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  Speaker 12: And I think one of the through lines you see
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  Speaker 12: in twenty eighty four is that even as we see
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  Speaker 12: in the US military change, we have the free Republic
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  Speaker 12: of Florida. We see that a lot of the cultural
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  Speaker 12: touch points are still there across category.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, it's a story.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, it's about climate, it's about the future of war,
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  Speaker 12: but it's about people and those institutions and how they endure.
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  Speaker 12: And one of the institutions is definitely not only the
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  Speaker 12: US military, but the militaries of all the nations that
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  Speaker 12: are involved in this conflict that we imagine.
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  Speaker 1: For you, ad Bechimus Schwett wanted me to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: this is the last question. What about the other trilogy?
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  Speaker 1: She wants to find out what happened to your youngsters
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  Speaker 1: in World War Two? When's that volume coming out? That
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: comes out in November.
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  Speaker 11: So the first book and that one, The Restless Wave,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 11: has done very well early historical fiction world War two,
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  Speaker 11: But you got to get the second volume coming out
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  Speaker 11: in November. But right now I want people to think
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 11: about twenty eighty four, think about the future. Then in
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 11: the fall we can think about the past.
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  Speaker 1: It's all twenty eighty four. And Elliott, are you on
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  Speaker 1: to the next project already as well? You guys are
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: hyper productive. You put to shame all the writers.
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  Speaker 12: I know, thank you my next product as well. But
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  Speaker 12: I know Kim, and I've had a lot of fun
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  Speaker 12: doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eighty four and bookstores everywhere. You heard me
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  Speaker 1: read it in segment two. It's a great, great series
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  Speaker 1: of hypotheses and setups. Go and enjoy it. It's the
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  Speaker 1: first read of the summer, I think. Twenty eighty four
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  Speaker 1: by admostev reader Fan Kelliott Backerman. Thank you, Joe,