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Lions Win & Cleary Goes Down · The Shed with Corey Oates, Sam Thaiday and Kip

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight.
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  Speaker 2: In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: That was a good start.
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  Speaker 3: That was. I can't go that high.
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  Speaker 1: It hurt my voice.
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  Speaker 3: You know what happened?
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  Speaker 2: I was a beautiful singer as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: I could have been anything.
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  Speaker 1: Who told you that?
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  Speaker 2: And then I had my tonsils taken out. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: who told you the first part? The beautiful singing as
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  Speaker 2: a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, I actually joined the choir as a kid just
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  Speaker 2: to get out of class, actually.
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  Speaker 1: That's a smart idea. I didn't think of that.
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  Speaker 2: It was a half an hour every week and we
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  Speaker 2: had to do choir practice and it was in school time.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: And then the worst part was we did have to
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  Speaker 2: do the end of season, end of year performance, the
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  Speaker 2: Christmas carols in the park.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The town, no, Thuringowa City Council... Christmas carols in the park.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to just stand at the back and
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  Speaker 3: just go.
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  Speaker 1: Just mouthing. Say that again. Say that name again.
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  Speaker 3: Thuringowa.
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  Speaker 1: City council.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Townsville's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's like got Townsville City Council and Thuringowa City Council.
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  Speaker 1: That's not far away.
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  Speaker 3: No. Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Is it kind of like Redcliffe?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: No, no. Way closer. No, like.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm talking Redcliffe and Scarborough. Oh, right.
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  Speaker 3: I've got these twins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Real close. Yeah. Redcliffe, Scarborough, same area.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, weird.
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  Speaker 1: Same place, probably.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much. No.
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  Speaker 5: How good were the Lions?
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  Speaker 1: Mate, that.
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  Speaker 4: That was one of the best games of football you'll
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  Speaker 4: ever see.
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  Speaker 1: The AFL finals is some of the best football between
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  Speaker 1: football both our codes that I've ever seen. Like even
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  Speaker 1: the NRL finals at the moment, apart from the Brewsters
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  Speaker 1: games that they're playing because they're just kicking everyone's ass. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Apart from their games, the bar out, like the footy
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  Speaker 1: at the moment is the best I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: I know the World Cup better be good. It better
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  Speaker 3: be good.
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  Speaker 1: Or they're all going to be tired.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a fantastic AFL grand final. I haven't seen.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Like, there's been some real dominant grand finals of
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  Speaker 2: recent times where it's just like, I remember I was
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  Speaker 2: down to the grand final. I watched the Cats play against,
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  Speaker 2: can't even think now, Because the.
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  Speaker 3: Game was over in the first quarter. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was done and dusted and we were like
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  Speaker 2: all sitting in the crowd going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that wasn't that long ago.
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  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't that long ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. It was against Port Adelaide. It
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  Speaker 3: was 50-odd, maybe even more. It was by 125.
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  Speaker 1: Was it that one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 120, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: 120.
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  Speaker 2: So like there has been some terrible AFL Grand Finals.
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  Speaker 3: But that was just goal for goal, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: That was just so good. You know what I loved
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  Speaker 2: about it too was– Always. No Victorian teams in it,
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  Speaker 2: which is always a good thing. But the people that
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: travelled for the game.
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  Speaker 1: So good.
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  Speaker 2: It's a long trip from Brisbane to Melbourne. But to
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  Speaker 2: fly from the west coast to the east coast to
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  Speaker 2: come and watch your team and they all had their colours.
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  Speaker 2: And it was such an incredible game. I absolutely loved it.
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  Speaker 2: That last quarter. Like, I'm not even going to go
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  Speaker 2: back and watch the whole grand final. There was some
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  Speaker 2: cool stuff that happened in the first three quarters, but
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  Speaker 2: if you just go back and watch that last quarter
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  Speaker 2: of the game, it was incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that last quarter had the shifts, like the shift,
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  Speaker 1: the momentum shifts, like so, so at the start it
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, a couple of minutes, but then
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  Speaker 1: Frio had the shift.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Frio, I reckon everyone thought, We needed, something needs
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  Speaker 1: to happen here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Four and a half minutes to go.
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  Speaker 5: The Lions are done.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. And that's the momentum shifted for four and
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  Speaker 1: a half minutes. But that, Freer had it for four
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  Speaker 1: and a half minutes, five minutes maybe. Then in between
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  Speaker 1: those shift is grind, grind, grind. I thought that, I
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  Speaker 1: never say this, the defense in AFL, I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: it so good. I've never seen the, like the defense
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  Speaker 1: in AFL so good.
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  Speaker 3: They just scramble. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and Fag said this after the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Defense isn't looked at enough in our game. Josh Dunkley,
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  Speaker 1: I actually said to him, he's not a selfish player
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  Speaker 1: or a selfish dude at all. I said, mate, there's
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  Speaker 1: times in your life where you've got to sit back
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  Speaker 1: or you're having a beer at home on your own
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  Speaker 1: and just give yourself a pat on the back. You
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  Speaker 1: really do. As a player and as a leader, not
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  Speaker 1: even a captain. Yes, he is a captain of the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: but just a leader. He leads through the numbers that
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  Speaker 1: people don't look at. You know, tackles, you know, dispose,
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: you know, charge downs, we call them. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 3: Spoils.
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  Speaker 1: Spoils, that's the word I can't think of. You know,
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  Speaker 1: those small things in the NFL I think go so unnoticed,
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  Speaker 1: but it's what I watch. I thought it was so,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was honestly one of the best games
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  Speaker 1: of sport I've seen. In a long time.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned Faggs there.
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  Speaker 5: He's now a three-peat coach. And he went through the
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  Speaker 5: tough times with the Lions.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, big time.
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  Speaker 4: Five years ago, people were saying, get rid of him.
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  Speaker 3: Get rid of him.
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  Speaker 4: They were literally, they wanted him gone.
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  Speaker 5: And he's now taken us to four grand finals, one
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  Speaker 5: three in a row. And he kind of sounded like
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  Speaker 5: maybe this is it. He alluded to maybe that's enough.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm not trying to say Faggs is not young,
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  Speaker 1: but he's not. And it's a hard job.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Like, it is a bloody hard job, man.
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  Speaker 3: It's a toil and a grind.
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  Speaker 1: People always say, would you ever, like, you know, whether
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  Speaker 1: they're serious or not, would you ever coach? I went,
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  Speaker 1: are you effing serious? Like, off your head. Like, even
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  Speaker 1: if I did get offered it, like, no way. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you see what coaches go through, the shit you've got
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  Speaker 1: to deal with, the scrutiny, the media. But then having
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  Speaker 1: to pick players, like, I'm too nice. I can't go
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  Speaker 1: to a guy and say, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Mate, like. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not picking this one. Even those small things as
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  Speaker 1: a coach, it's so hard.
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  Speaker 3: You're a pussy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am a pussy. But I'm a nice pussy.
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  Speaker 1: I can have a tough conversation with you, you arsehole.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I just think it is a hard job.
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  Speaker 1: How many years have you been coaching for now, apart
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  Speaker 1: from here? It's got to be up there.
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  Speaker 4: But, I mean, we've got the squad. We've got the team.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Lockie Neal's going, obviously, but other than that,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 1: He's holding on to a lot of plays. One more year,
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  Speaker 1: why not? I think why not, if they have already
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  Speaker 1: someone in line and he's actually even said this is
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  Speaker 1: the perfect person, or he could be like a director
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  Speaker 1: of coaching and I'll be the director above him and
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  Speaker 1: we'll keep this going. We'll keep this run of, not winning,
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  Speaker 1: just this run of professionalism at the club going.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I love about him too is Fakes is, like,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't come from a professional AFL playing background.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, you look at a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: coaches that coach in the AFL now, they're all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay. I know this is a bad example, but Wayne, right? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he played footy. I can't say that he was a
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  Speaker 1: great winger. Wow. Could you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he did play back with... Jesus and the Jerusalem Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: But like, you know, he was a copper, right? Jerusalem Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: A good team. Undefeated.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You should have seen Moses. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Moses, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There was this one time Jesus got cut.
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  Speaker 3: In half and they thought he was dead and he
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  Speaker 3: came back to life. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They got mixed up with Wayne and Jesus. And that'd
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  Speaker 1: be awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Straight on full time, the water bottles become wine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Click of the finger.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Jesus. By the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: But you look at Wayne, right? He always had the
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  Speaker 1: right people around him. I think we've always said this.
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  Speaker 1: The right people around him and always knew how to
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  Speaker 1: get the best out of players. They're his two big
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  Speaker 1: things that he is so good at and better than
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  Speaker 1: anyone else. The right people and then he knew how
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  Speaker 1: to get the best out of every player. Every player
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  Speaker 1: was individualized. Every single player. We're all a team, but
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  Speaker 1: you're all individual people.
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  Speaker 5: You've got your own relationship with him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think if you can see it with Fagan,
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  Speaker 1: he has just that really great relationship with all players.
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  Speaker 1: And I reckon that also the same thing. It's all different.
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  Speaker 1: We're all different with him. And he knows how to
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  Speaker 1: handle every single person individually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He lives in my old area in, uh, in Bulimba
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  Speaker 5: and you see him pretty much every day. If you live,
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  Speaker 5: he walks cause he does about five, five, 10 Ks
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  Speaker 5: walking every day.
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  Speaker 1: Matthews is there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They see each other a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I see them out getting curries and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, we should just go walk with them.
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  Speaker 5: I watched the game on the, uh, on the very
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  Speaker 5: street with my, with my mate Pete. He lives on
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  Speaker 5: the same street as, um, Hipwood.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the whole street was all flagged. Apparently he's
• 9:15
  Speaker 5: in the group chat, the street chat, and everyone's going, go, Eric.
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  Speaker 4: And when he missed those, because I had him in
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  Speaker 4: my multi, when he missed those too, I said, give
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  Speaker 4: me that group chat.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into it.
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  Speaker 4: Kick straight, you bastard.
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  Speaker 1: I was cheering Hipwood until he kicked it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of behinds he had, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, but look, I think.
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  Speaker 1: The Collingwood game that they lost a few years ago,
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  Speaker 1: You know, that could have arguably been one of the
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  Speaker 1: greatest grand finals also, but this has pipped it. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that just shows how good of a game
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  Speaker 1: it was. But, yeah, I had no voice, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: It was a bad couple of days for Brisbane back then, 23.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We lost everything.
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  Speaker 2: Because Saturday, yeah, Saturday the Lions lost and then Sunday
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  Speaker 2: the Bronx lost.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: And we were watching. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think, didn't we have a third?
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  Speaker 3: There was a third.
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  Speaker 5: I think there might have even been like the, I
• 10:06
  Speaker 5: don't even remember, but maybe it was like the, was.
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: It the Titans women or something?
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  Speaker 3: The Titans women, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Titans women, like we lost everything.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Chapman scored a hat trick in a losing game.
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  Speaker 3: Ezra Mamm scored a hat trick in a losing game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awful. Weird times, eh?
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  Speaker 4: What's it feel like?
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  Speaker 5: So when the Lions come back into Brizzy after a
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: win like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's you never won a Grand Final.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, how do I ask you, Sammy?
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I can tell you what it
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  Speaker 1: was like when you lose one. It's pretty miserable.
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: That's how the Dockers feel.
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  Speaker 4: That's how the Dockers are feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you how the Dockers felt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They'd still be drinking. If I was a Docker, I'd
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: be actually, is it Tuesday? Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday on the 215 GF, I was at a pub
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  Speaker 1: on my own.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: At 10 o'clock. Yeah. Just drinking.
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  Speaker 3: Just going. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: I went. Singing country music.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I think I went two months.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What about the Lions?
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  Speaker 4: What about the Lions? How are they feeling?
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  Speaker 3: They'll be gone for two months. Yeah. Yes. It's a
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: different hype. Same. Different hype.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: You know what there's a lot of bullshit that you
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: have to go through as well oh there's so much
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: even when you lose you know the hardest part is
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: like I remember doing we had to sign all this
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  Speaker 2: memorabilia and we got paid to do it which was
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: fantastic but like we're three days in at this point
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  Speaker 2: in time and they want you to sign your signature
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  Speaker 2: on a little rectangle which is like you know two
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  Speaker 2: inches wide one inch thick and you've got to try
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  Speaker 2: and sign.
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  Speaker 1: Your name on 250 of them and.
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  Speaker 3: You're like.
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  Speaker 4: Is that why half those autographs you can't read?
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Well, when we used to do a Bronx signing day,
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: they used to put it at 4X Brewery.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And we used to get blind on it. Like, you'd do, like,
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  Speaker 1: 10 and then you'd.
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  Speaker 3: Go have 20 beers.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny because they encouraged us to sign the
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  Speaker 2: jerseys first and then, like, we would, like, have a
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: beer afterwards. But it's like, because there was, like, if
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  Speaker 2: there was 20 piles of stuff, like you've got 20 players,
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: you've got a 30-man squad, so.
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  Speaker 3: There's always 10 guys.
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  Speaker 1: There's 600 jerseys.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, okay, I'll have to have a beer.
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  Speaker 3: By the time everyone's finished, it's like, jeez, I've had three.
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  Speaker 3: And then you sign them like old Crown style as
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  Speaker 3: a kid.
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  Speaker 2: That was great.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: That was a great signing session.
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  Speaker 2: So now you know and understand why their signatures look shit.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe now I know why they stopped doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: We should talk about the rugby league grand final coming up.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: Rugby league.
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: We'll do that in the.
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  Speaker 1: No, let's be the AFL podcast. We'll do that in
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: the proper one. Yeah, yeah. Let's change.
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll just do a full switch. But we should
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: talk about Cleary in this bonus podcast.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He's come out over the last.
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: uh, 24 hours, depending on when you're here in the podcast.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: And he's made some comments about, um, about Phoenix Crosland.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: He's had to come to his defense because Phoenix has
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: been just copying insane abuse.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: Which is unnecessary at the end of the day. It's,
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: that's absolute bullshit.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: It is. Um, it's, it's a, it's a full contact sport.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Like shit happens. Accidents happen.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: Um, and, and I can tell you right now, like,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: The amount of injuries I've had, the amount of injuries
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: you've had, not one dude did I ever think hit
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: me intentionally to snap my leg or tear a tendon,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: break a jaw, drink water maybe. But I'm just saying
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: if we're all being serious about the tackle, it wasn't bad. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it was not the worst tackle I've ever seen in
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: my life. I've seen way worse in the last week.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: And nothing happens. Like, I'll tell you right now, Crosston
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  Speaker 1: didn't put on there, I'm going to do this to
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  Speaker 1: the best player. Like, no way does it ever cross
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: people's minds. No way do you ever think about falling
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: in a tackle also. Like, it's just.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, a hip drop tackle
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: is a.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: It's a fatigue tackle.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: It is. It's a fatigue tackle.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I've made contact and it's almost the
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: exhale of, oh, you know, trying to then get the
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: person to the ground. There's been a lot of people
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: that have spoken about it, but that's where that tackle
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: comes from.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: It's fatigue.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: There's so much more fatigue in our game now and
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: it's going to be so hard to get it out.
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: Did you hear what Billy Slater suggested could be part
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: of the problem?
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: What?
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: Is that because Cleary being a kicker and the new
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: protections on the kicker, you can't You've got to be careful,
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: real careful that you don't hit the kicker late, you
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: don't hit the kicker hard. And so Phoenix actually knowing
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: that Cleary's a kicker would have gone in slower than
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: another player. And so he actually reduced his speed. And
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: so when Cleary then ran, Phoenix was actually put on
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: a softer hit than he would have put.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Well, because he's always got to be careful if he
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: kicks it.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: You aren't allowed to go through the tackle.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I think, again, those rules that we have tightened up
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: on are bullshit. Yeah.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: I want all the people.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: There was a perfect timing one.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, in the same game?
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: It was so good. It was perfect timing. It was perfect.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Old mate has just got rid of the kick and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: he's gone hit.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Wasn't high.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Nah.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Wasn't shoulder charged. Went down with him.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And I went, they're in the rule book as a
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: clean tackle.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Perfect hit.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: And they still penalized him because he hit him. But
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I think... We have been just too, like, I want
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the people that make our rules to play a game
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: of footy against each other. And all the rules, no,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I'm being serious. Like, tell me if they can change
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: their hit height. Tell me if they can pull out
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: of a tackle. Tell me when they go up for
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: a jump on a fifth and last kick that you
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: can change from catching a ball to tackling a dude
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: You can't. They need to be realistic with their rules
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. But back on the Crossland thing,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad Cleary's come out because I knew this
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: was going to happen. As soon as it happened, I
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: felt really sorry for him. But I felt so sorry
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: for Crossland because... Yeah. Honestly, he's a great player and
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: he works his ass off. He's a workhorse.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: He was their best player against the Warriors. He tackled everything.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: He dove on all these balls on the ground and
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: he's a fantastic player.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I watch him play week in and week out and
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: he does not play with any.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: There's no malice.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: There's no malice in anything that he does out there
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: in the field. He's just a super competitor.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And that's it. And he probably, when Cleary come on,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: he's like, I need to make sure that I don't
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: let him make a break. I need to follow him.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: He can't get past me because he's too important, right?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And it's just, it's so unlucky with what happened.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: He's beating himself up now.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: 100%. And then with all these comments and everyone atting him,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: it's not a good thing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It's not right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Because at the end of the day, if you want
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: on your conscious, we don't know what type of state
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of mind he's in. If he goes and takes his
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: own life, that's on your conscious at the end of
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the day.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: If you have made any comment towards him so.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Like just zip your lip shut up it's a it
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: is a contact sport accidents happen it is entertainment at
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the end of the day and we all ride the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: fucking highs and lows of sport and you win games
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and you fucking lose games support your team support your
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: players support our game but.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Don't attack but don't attack well I mean if anyone's
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: got a right to hold it against him it's Cleary
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: but Cleary said this It was a complete accident, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: he doesn't deserve the unwarranted hate. He reached out to apologize,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: and I have nothing but respect for him. He's a competitor,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: and our game is made up of split-second moments that
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: sometimes lead to unfortunate circumstances. Comments like this are so unfair.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's clear for a start.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: But you've been on the other side of, you've accidentally
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: caused an injury.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I've done it. Not to that extent, but even when
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it just hurts someone, and they've got to go off.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: you feel so shit. Like, you message him. You say, mate,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to. You never mean to.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You know, so imagine what he's going through and then
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: having to deal with all that shit. So, like, wake
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: up yourselves and it's a fucking sport. It's a contact sport.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: We wish Nathan Cleary all the best.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the best for the recovery, mate.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: You and I have seen firsthand with Jarrell, yeah, how
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: tough this injury is.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: It's pretty similar. Yeah, very, very similar. Yeah. Extremely similar.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And the.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I think the thing that, the worst thing that happened
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: with Gerard was infection at the end of the day, so.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the skin, wasn't it?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like, it happening in Perth, we were there,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I think he went to hospital, he got it all
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: cleaned out, and maybe it was a day or two
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: days later, he travelled back to Brisbane, but by the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: time he'd landed in Brisbane, like, infection had already been there.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And this, what they had done in trying to close
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: it up, it's already, the skin started dying, and, Dural
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: was surgery after surgery. And he went into a really deep,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: dark spiral, Dural.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to interview him and have a
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: chat to him about it. But, yeah, we do wish
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Nathan all the best because we do know firsthand through
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Dural what this injury is. And we do hope that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he gets a chance and opportunity to come back and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: play again because the worst-case scenario is that's the end
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of his career.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: If Durrell came back and played one game, but it
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: was kind of.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: He played back, right?
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Because he couldn't step anymore. Couldn't run, yeah, couldn't step. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: he could only run straight, so.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It is, but, yeah, look, we wish him all the best. And,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like you said, you know, we know Durrell well, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: it's a long road back. And I'm sure they're doing
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: all the right steps to not allow the worst-case scenario
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to happen.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, there's always the.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Any type of operation in a hospital.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You never know. There's always a chance. So, mate, good luck.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: All the best with it. And, yeah, can't wait to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: see you back.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: And we're coming back to cover the grand final. We'll
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: talk about the Roosters, the Newcastle Knights, who's going to win.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: We'll do all that in the proper podcast.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Podcast.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to prod the cast. Have a broadcast.