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True Origins of the CIA and OSS: The Culper Spy Ring · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: George Washington was an absolute spy master and that he
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  Speaker 1: had a secret society driven spy ring called the Coppa Ring.
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  Speaker 1: Today's episode is about Brad Meltzer is Decoded. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very It's actually a series that was on the History
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  Speaker 1: Channel and it was kind of during the era when
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura had conspiracy theory and there was like a
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  Speaker 1: few other ones. I still think the og is phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: archives that we did one deed Stockwell shout out, but
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  Speaker 1: this is another.
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  Speaker 5: Version of those.
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  Speaker 1: Although this is kind of the candy coded commercial version
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to see on History Channel at primetime
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  Speaker 1: maybe like right after Dinner with the Parents and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't know who Brad Meltzer is.
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  Speaker 1: He writes a lot of espionage and political fiction, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that he even flexes that he gets invited
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  Speaker 1: by the CIA to go and give talks and like
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  Speaker 1: do scenarios and stuff. He's also written for DC Comics.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's had a few different, like major titles
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  Speaker 1: he's written for. I don't know if it was like
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  Speaker 1: Batman and Superman, but like a number of them. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's a fairly well known writer in the fiction world,
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  Speaker 1: especially in conspiracy theory. I'd almost say it's almost like
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  Speaker 1: a young adult version of a Dan Brown kind of
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  Speaker 1: Da Vinci code style.
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  Speaker 5: So there's some of the premise.
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  Speaker 1: So he gets his entire TV series called Decoded, and
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  Speaker 1: each episode is a standalone deep dive quote unquote into
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  Speaker 1: a different usually American specific conspiracy theory. So when this
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  Speaker 1: came out, this was like tugging right at my heartstrings.
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  Speaker 1: This is exactly what I was interested in, despite the format.
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  Speaker 1: So this was season one, episode eight. The episode was
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  Speaker 1: called The President's Inner Circle and It aired on January
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventh, twenty eleven, and the premise is basically that
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  Speaker 1: George Washington was an app solute spymaster and that he
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  Speaker 1: had a secret society driven spy ring called the Culpa
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  Speaker 1: Ring that was really responsible for us winning the revolution,
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  Speaker 1: and that no one's really heard of it. You don't
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  Speaker 1: learn about it in history books, even though it is
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  Speaker 1: fully documented, well proven, and incredibly influential.
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  Speaker 4: And this is like the glory days of conspiracy theorists,
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  Speaker 4: because that, I would say, like two thousand and four
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  Speaker 4: to like twenty twelve ish, there was all these kind
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  Speaker 4: of shows like this and you could just pop it
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  Speaker 4: up whether you agreed or disagree with it or but
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  Speaker 4: they were like tugging at everybody like, E look pretty
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  Speaker 4: crazy conspiracy, right, you like it? And now we're like
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  Speaker 4: banished to the realms of the Internet where we have
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  Speaker 4: to dig and dig to find stuff like this.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this one's friendly.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a state friendly series of conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 1: This entire Brad Meltzer decoded everything. Let's plot the course
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  Speaker 1: on this one. It's they jump into a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different topics. I'm just going to try and give you
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  Speaker 1: a full itinerary, and then we'll go back and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about highlights and everything. So the basic premise is
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  Speaker 1: that there was this group called the Culpa Ring, and
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  Speaker 1: the Culpa Ring was early or in late eighteenth centuries,
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  Speaker 1: like seventeen hundreds, and they were using invisible ink with
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  Speaker 1: different chemical agents. They were using messages in public newspapers
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  Speaker 1: mockingbird style where they would publish like actual secrets and plans,
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  Speaker 1: but do it in plain sight and kind of hide
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  Speaker 1: it in different encodings inside of newspapers and publications. That
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  Speaker 1: even the members within the Culpa Ring didn't know who
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  Speaker 1: the other members were, so even if you got caught,
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  Speaker 1: there was really no one that you could squeal on
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  Speaker 1: because you were just going and doing like dead drops
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  Speaker 1: all of the place. And one of the other interesting
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  Speaker 1: things is that we didn't even know about this Culpa
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  Speaker 1: Ring until about the nineteen thirties when some his story
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  Speaker 1: in the local area of Leaving Long Island found a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of papers in someone's attic and then did a
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  Speaker 1: handwriting analysis match. And anyway, since the nineteen thirties, this
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  Speaker 1: has been fully vetted, documented, proven, and it's essentially the
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  Speaker 1: predecessor to the CIA to the oss to any sort
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  Speaker 1: of secret espionage driven by the United States. This is
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  Speaker 1: where it all started, started at the Culpa Ring, and
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  Speaker 1: it basically they grew out of this need to know
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  Speaker 1: of where the British were setting up their strongholds in
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  Speaker 1: New York City, so that the Brits basically were in
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  Speaker 1: control of New York and large swaths. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the interesting dynamics here is that you didn't necessarily know
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  Speaker 1: if you're just walking down the street in New York
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  Speaker 1: and you look to your left and you look to
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  Speaker 1: your right, you don't know if the people you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at are for the British or for the revolutionaries, right, like,
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  Speaker 1: no one's wearing patches or any kind of like obvious signs.
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  Speaker 1: And just because someone has been living in America or
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  Speaker 1: if someone just came over from Britain doesn't tell you,
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  Speaker 1: like what their political affiliation is. So it's this really
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  Speaker 1: interesting moment when everyone is kind of suspect. And there
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  Speaker 1: was this very specific chain where someone in Long Island
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  Speaker 1: would get info from a code name of Colper Junior,
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  Speaker 1: and then they would bring that back to someone named
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  Speaker 1: Colper Senior, and then Colper Senior would send a message
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  Speaker 1: across the Long Island Sound into Connecticut and then deliver
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  Speaker 1: some kind of a message that would determine whether the
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  Speaker 1: British were coming, and what port they were in, and
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of enemy movements, and just this sequence of
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  Speaker 1: events going on. I believe from seventeen seventy eight to
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  Speaker 1: seventeen eighty one, so it lasted for about three years
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  Speaker 1: or so. And during those three years they got so
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  Speaker 1: much intel. And I think the culper ring officially stops
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  Speaker 1: recording any movement in like seventeen eighty five, so might
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  Speaker 1: it might last for like six or seven years total.
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  Speaker 1: It was based out of this place called Rivingtons in
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  Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan, and there's actually a business there right now
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  Speaker 1: called the Gentleman Farmer. And it was Rivington was a
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  Speaker 1: guy that ran this Royal Gazette, and he was publishing
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  Speaker 1: the spy info to be read by Washington himself. So
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Rivington Street is still there in Rivington's
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  Speaker 1: Royal Gazette, this is all. This is all like spycraft,
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  Speaker 1: right The people are probably not even realizing. And then
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  Speaker 1: the other main key point here is that West Point
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  Speaker 1: the Military School is how I knew it because you
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  Speaker 1: see it in movies when like a kid's bad, they
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  Speaker 1: get sent to West Point if like their family's are rich. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: West Point was in the most strategic position on the
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  Speaker 1: Hudson River at this point. And according to this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this forty five minute documentary where they're saying that whoever
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  Speaker 1: controlled West Point essentially decided who was going to win America.
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  Speaker 1: That was how strategic this one particular stronghold was, and
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  Speaker 1: that the commanding officer in charge of West Point was
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  Speaker 1: Benedict Donald, And we know Bennedict Donald is like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the you know, the guy that makes those eggs.
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  Speaker 1: What you for, hollandais saw, No, he's like the trader. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if someone's a penicted arnold, they're a trader. Well, prior
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  Speaker 1: to him being the world's most famous trader, America's most famous,
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  Speaker 1: he was the most famous greatest hero of the American
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  Speaker 1: Revolution up until that time. And what happens is he
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  Speaker 1: gets salty that he doesn't get a paycheck for about
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  Speaker 1: seven years. That's a year with a why So he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get a paycheck for seven years and eventually he's like,
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  Speaker 1: screw this, I'm gonna just go and sell all my
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  Speaker 1: information to the Brits for equivalent of like five million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: It was like twenty thousand pounds.
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  Speaker 1: He gets caught by the Coulpor Spirring in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of all this, and eventually this leads to us winning
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  Speaker 1: the revolution because Benedict Arnold was not able to sell
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  Speaker 1: West Point to the enemy in time. So this so
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  Speaker 1: much history in here, but there's like the basic premise
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  Speaker 1: of what the Coperspirring was and why we care what
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  Speaker 1: they did.
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  Speaker 4: The Benett and Arnold part was my favorite part because
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  Speaker 4: I was like he painted as this like, oh, this villain, right,
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  Speaker 4: like we hate him. You're a Benedict Arnold, You're such
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  Speaker 4: a trader and you're like, dude, he wasn't paid for
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  Speaker 4: seven years.
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  Speaker 3: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: When they dropped that line, something in my brain was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: now I get it, bro, Like he got a bad
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  Speaker 1: rap man. Someone employer doesn't pay me for seven years,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Going to the you know, their competition
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  Speaker 1: and being like, hey, you want some trade secrets.
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  Speaker 4: You're talking about two months for me, man, Like you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean, not even going seven years. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you two months to pay me. If
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  Speaker 4: you don't, I'm giving away all your secrets. That was
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  Speaker 4: like such a and they kind of glance over like
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  Speaker 4: no big deal, like hey, you shouldn't get paid. You're
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  Speaker 4: like what, bro, Like just imagine like all the stuff
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  Speaker 4: you've accomplished. And then you also see the power struggle
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  Speaker 4: of like how these things work because obviously he's a hero,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm I'm he's not getting the same love as
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  Speaker 4: some of the other people, right like because they're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm making this wave and I'm making that wave. And
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  Speaker 4: then to go back of what you said about how
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  Speaker 4: this is like the ground work for the CIA and
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  Speaker 4: agencies like that, I think it's actually true, not just
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  Speaker 4: because hey there were spies and CIA is spies. They
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  Speaker 4: use the same methods now like right like they've developed
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  Speaker 4: from those methods. So there is an exact line to
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  Speaker 4: this coper ring and the CIA where they're like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we still use that today.
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  Speaker 1: Well say not to skip ahead to like the overboard
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  Speaker 1: and all all that, but like there's some times and
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  Speaker 1: the way that this documentary is structured it is very
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  Speaker 1: commercial friendly, and that there's like a segment and then
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  Speaker 1: a commercial break and then a segment and then a commercial,
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  Speaker 1: and those segments kind of start and wrap up very
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  Speaker 1: nice and neat, so they'll they'll say really dumb stuff
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  Speaker 1: sometimes like one of the three. There's these three investigators
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  Speaker 1: that go out into the field. Right, so this is
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  Speaker 1: the formula for Brad Meltzer's Decoded entire series, right, any
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  Speaker 1: History Channel or any History Channel document, but but specific Coded.
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  Speaker 1: Meltzer kind of acts like Charlie and he's got his
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  Speaker 1: angels to go out in the field. So he's not
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  Speaker 1: out in the field. He's just the narrator and he's
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  Speaker 1: like on the back of the phone he's writing the messages,
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  Speaker 1: but he's got his angels out in the field. And
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  Speaker 1: the angels are a guy named Buddy who's like the
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  Speaker 1: guy that you have a beer with.
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  Speaker 5: And like laughs real loud and has a coarse voice.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's Christine who's like the analytical soccer mom
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  Speaker 1: that just found the first QAnon post on Facebook and
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  Speaker 1: was like, honey, have you heard of this thing called
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  Speaker 1: adrenna Kramme or something like. She's like just dipping your
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  Speaker 1: toe in. And then you've got the other guy that's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like the straight man that looks you know,
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  Speaker 1: very inoffensive. So you have these three people that are
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  Speaker 1: allowed to talk about conspiracy theories in public essentially.
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  Speaker 5: So part of this, though, is that you'll see Buddy
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  Speaker 5: and Christine like.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is crazy. Can you believe they have this
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  Speaker 1: level of technology. It's like, bro, this is not new.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this like like custom and secret messages and
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  Speaker 1: like invisible ink. This has been developed for centuries and centuries.
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  Speaker 1: This didn't start in the eighteenth century or the seventeenth
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  Speaker 1: or the sixteenth or the fifteenth, Like, it goes back, right,
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  Speaker 1: it goes back as far as Knight's Templar and way
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  Speaker 1: before that, even like Egyptian scribes probably had secret code
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  Speaker 1: messages and Comet probably had like invisible ink.
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  Speaker 5: So part they lay that on really thick.
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  Speaker 1: We're like, can you believe people have the technology to
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  Speaker 1: do this in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like some of the things they say are a little
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  Speaker 1: bit over the top to like push that in.
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  Speaker 4: There, invisible ink, like what Like You're like, yeah, these
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  Speaker 4: things have happened for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: There's no tech that they actually find now.
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  Speaker 4: I would have been impressed if they had one of
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  Speaker 4: those masks, you know, like those actual masks are like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: here's a George Washington mask.
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  Speaker 3: Here's our benedictn Auro masks.
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  Speaker 4: Then I'm really getting into it, like I'm like, okay, dang,
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  Speaker 4: they've really been on this for a minute. But it's
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  Speaker 4: funny too, even how they get so giddy when they
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  Speaker 4: get to the CIA headquarters, because they go to the
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  Speaker 4: CIA headquarters and they go to the quote unquote museum
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  Speaker 4: that you can't see right, like, oh, the world's most
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  Speaker 4: famous museum that like no one knows about it and
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  Speaker 4: you can't really check it out. And then they even
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  Speaker 4: make a joke they're like, oh, Brad must know someone
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  Speaker 4: he pulled some shirt. Like they're like, we've never been
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  Speaker 4: to the CIA headquarters. And you're like, yeah, if they're
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  Speaker 4: letting you in, bro, like spoiler alert, you're probably not
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  Speaker 4: getting that much information.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: We're on this documentary show funded and backed by History Channel,
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  Speaker 1: the same one that said in any nine to eleven,
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  Speaker 1: you know mysteries were absolute conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 5: I can't believe they're letting us in and letting us
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  Speaker 5: talk to them.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they play their hand a little
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  Speaker 1: thick constantly, but that's it's a quirk of the show.
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  Speaker 1: If it annoys you, you won't like any part of
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  Speaker 1: the series. But I wouldn't let it distract you from
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  Speaker 1: the legitimate interesting information, Like they're not making stuff up
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  Speaker 1: about Benedict Arnold and the culpa ring and all this,
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  Speaker 1: and just just to throw this in there too, it's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting note. The guy that solves this in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, his name was Morton Pennypacker, the local historian
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  Speaker 1: in East Hampton, Long Island. So I just thought people
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  Speaker 1: had fun names back in the day. I've never met
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  Speaker 1: anyone named Morton Pennypacker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that name.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was like, there's a lot of jokes
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  Speaker 4: that people could use nowadays with like the whole way
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  Speaker 4: of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, is he you know?
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of hidden treasures and overboard moments
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  Speaker 1: in this particular episode.
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  Speaker 5: Let's let you go first, though, Uncle Sean.
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  Speaker 4: I think that some of that obviously it's not that hidden.
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  Speaker 4: But I did not know about the Benedict Arnold. I've
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  Speaker 4: never considered that he did this for money, right, like
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  Speaker 4: that he was kind of getting screwed over.
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  Speaker 3: And then it makes me feel.
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  Speaker 4: That they should have went a little bit further into that,
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  Speaker 4: like was there other things just besides money, right, there
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  Speaker 4: must have been something that was cracking it, So I
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  Speaker 4: think that was a big one. But also they hint
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  Speaker 4: that stuff where you get to see not just like
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  Speaker 4: how they basically the blueprint of how the CIA started
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  Speaker 4: and how they spied on people.
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  Speaker 3: Because even today they use like regular people.
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  Speaker 4: They go into a company and they get assets and
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  Speaker 4: they get people to tell on people. And that is
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  Speaker 4: not that they created it, but I think they that
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  Speaker 4: was the branch of America to be able to do it. Right.
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  Speaker 4: This is the first of American actually having their coordinated
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  Speaker 4: spy rings. And I like how this is a mix
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  Speaker 4: a hidden treasure and an overboard moment, like kind of
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  Speaker 4: it's where they hint that stuff, like they kind of
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  Speaker 4: like dance around Yale and some of the stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: they kind of like dance around.
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  Speaker 6: Like maybe secret societies were around, maybe they were like.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like maybe they had a
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  Speaker 3: hand to play in the presidency. Maybe not like who
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  Speaker 3: never know.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's the kind of stuff where I'm like like
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  Speaker 4: I like that it's on a mainstream thing and it
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  Speaker 4: kind of dangles and in front of people that may
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  Speaker 4: not normally like maybe someone looks into that. But then
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  Speaker 4: I also think they're probably not going to look into that,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, They're probably gonna go ah
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  Speaker 4: past that part. So I think there is a lot
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  Speaker 4: of little hidden pieces in there, But there's also this
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  Speaker 4: like blend of like, ah, man, you could do so
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  Speaker 4: much more.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's the part where they're allowed to
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  Speaker 1: do it in mainstream and they don't. They don't get
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  Speaker 1: taken out, they don't get canceled, is because part of
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  Speaker 1: it instead of saying like, look at how the state
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  Speaker 1: has been born in deception the entire time and they'll
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  Speaker 1: lie to you and they'll use you as an asset,
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  Speaker 1: it's more like, Wow, isn't this so cool that the
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  Speaker 1: origin the origins of American history really CIA has been with.
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  Speaker 5: Us all along.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones that helped us win the war, so
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  Speaker 1: they're probably kind of the good guys, right like by
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  Speaker 1: pitching it that way, and it's like, we'll never really
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  Speaker 1: know because we're not going to really investigate that far.
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  Speaker 1: That's when someone at the History Channel is like, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and improve this one for air, like they
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  Speaker 1: they knew how to towe the line a little bit right,
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  Speaker 1: so that was part of it. Also, I got I
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  Speaker 1: got a bunch of hidden treasures in this one. The
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  Speaker 1: main one though, was this story about this agent three
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  Speaker 1: five five lady. And this is another one of those
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: things where if you if you actually try and investigate this,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of evidence that says that this is all
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: made up, that it like basically the premise of this
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: is there was a secret code list and that all
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of the most popular words in the English language at
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the time all had a numerical value assigned to them.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And this wasn't based on like some secret cipher or anything.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It was just like the word for Washington, for example,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: was seven to one to one, it was seven to eleven,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: so that was like Washington's secret number. So if you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: saw seven one one, that meant Washington, and then there
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: was you know, every other word you could think of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: had a number. The number for the word lady was
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: three five five. But there were also all these reports
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of a specific woman that was basically acting is an
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: early CIA honeypot that like worked her way into high
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: levels of British intelligence, became the girlfriend or the side
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: piece or whatever, because we don't have enough stats on this,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: but that she was literally the one that broke up
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the Benedict Arnold plot, and she didn't really get any
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: sort of credit because we don't know what her name
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is or if she need existed. But the premise was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that Benedick Arnold contacted this guy, John Andre, and John
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Andre was essentially the head of British Intel in New York.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So when Benedict Arnold tries to send this message to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: John Andre and is like, hey, I'm uh, West Points
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: for sale.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Here's how you can get it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: John Andre, As he's riding around the country, he gets
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: spotted by three American robbers that think that he's got
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: nice boots and like, brother guy, that guy's boots, he's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: got some money. So they basically capture him and they
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: make him take his boots off because they're gonna like
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: rob him, I guess, and inside of his boots are
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: these these plans, I guess, And they make it sound like, oh,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you know, he just kind of was coming across the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: path and these guys liked his boots and is't not crazy?
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: He ended up having these secret messages.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Well, they later uncovered that really John Andre had this
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: side piece in Agent three five to five, and that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: apparently in the late seventeen hundreds and even probably now
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in the twenty twenties, but the general consensus with that
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: women didn't have any interest in politics, that they either
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: weren't smart enough or they were just too preoccupied with
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: women thoughts that never had a political leaning one way
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: or the other, so they were almost seen as these
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: political neutrals. So the way they describe it is the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: head of British Intel, John Andre never even once thought like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't divulge all these secrets to this random
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: American side piece, because he's just like, ah, she's a woman,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Like she didn't even know the meaning of the words
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that I'm saying right now, so there's probably no threat here.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: The second that he leaves, she basically squeals on them
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: because she's part of this secret spy copa ring. And
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that's how the three guys know where John Andre is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: going to be, that he's got all these papers on
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: them about this, and they kind of go on to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: say that that she was like the instrumental person in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: this entire operation, and yet we're not even really sure
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: what her name was, or if she was even a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: single person, or like an amalgamation of a bunch of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: different female spies that just kind of got collapsed into
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: one thing.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I think that it's multiple women, right like cause I
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: think they had a whole ring of it. And that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: just my perspective of it, because it's like you probably
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: had a bunch of different women that were going to
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: these men that were like, you stupid women, you don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Go make me a sandwich, right,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: like that mentality of like you don't know these things.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: And I think they just were like, we're going to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: utilize that. We know that they don't value this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: We're going to send these attractive women to bed these
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: guys and get the information. That makes total sense to me.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if it's this particular one person
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: and then the one This is towards the end when
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: they're talking about this three five to five, and the
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: one lady that's talking about is super giddy about it,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: like obviously her whole existence about this, Like she doesn't
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: have anything.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Like you go to a party, She's like, hey, have
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you heard of a agent? Three five five? You know
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that's all she talks about.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: So I think she's obsessed to think it's what woman
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: because she was trying to be like pretty sure that
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: she was imprisoned, and I'm pretty sure she died there,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: like you know, because there's no other records. And I
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: think it's more than that. I think it's like a
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: group of women. It was probably like a whole section
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: of the their Secret Service, their CIA kind of going
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: out there and planting from different I'm sure they had
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: multiple people that they've done this too.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: It wasn't just one guy, in my opinion.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: A couple other hidden treasures in this one. One of
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: them was they mentioned another one. This wasn't Agent three
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: five five, But there were just like wives of revolutionary
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that happened to live in the area, and they started
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: encoding messages too.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: The way they would hang up the clothes line.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They basically the Long Island Sound where the British would
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: come in, had a set number of docks right and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like little coves. So each handkerchief would represent the number
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: of coves. So if three handkerchiefs were out one day,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that means the British were in the third cove. If
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: four handkerchiefs are out, then they were in the fourth cove,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and then whether or not they hung up like a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: petty coat meant that like a specific British soldier was
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: either in that cove or not in the cove. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: this is just people hanging up their clothes lines.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: And I want to.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Say that honeypots and then coded messages and clothes lines
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't think they invented this in the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds. I mean, honeypots have existed since, like cavemen.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure like a caveman sent like a like Neanderthal
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: honeypot over to like.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Find out where the wooly mammoth or whatever.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But it's just interesting that you don't really conceptualize that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just normal people were getting tied up into like all
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this spycraft. And then they also mentioned that the one
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: guy that is essentially had written a book on George
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Washington and early spycraft, and he had this line that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I really like he was like for someone who never
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: told a lie, he sure stretched the truth a lot
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: talking about George Washington and how he was this ultimate
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: spymaster and that really he was the one that sent
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the Kolpa ring after Benedict Arnold and a little note
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that he said that this was recorded. This sounds like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: one of those made up facts, but he says that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: this was the only time that Washington had ever been
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: documented as like crying in front of other people was
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: when he was told and saw absolute proof that Benedict
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Arnold had become a turncoat and was selling state secrets.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Because since Benedict Arnold was the revolution's greatest hero, he
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was also like best friends with George Washington, and apparently
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it really hurt George Washington at a personal level that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: his best friend based he just turned into his greatest enemy,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and that he knew that he was gonna have to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: send the spiring after him. But I mean, this is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like some Netflix level drama like mini series, you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like there could be a cult. There probably is, but
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: there should be like a copa ring documentary series about
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: this where you see George Washington cry.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, we should do it, man, and we should put
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: it actually on HBO so we could show a lot.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Of nudity, you know what I mean.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I could totally see that there's a lot of fun
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: stuff in here. But I will say that the only
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: things that kind of get to me is that like
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: when they lay stuff on thicks. It's it's not the
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: show per se, right, it's the History channel format that like, Okay,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: we're about to uncover this thing. Hold on commercial, Like
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: that's just I know that's how it goes. But I
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: haven't watched one of these, like in a minute, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, okay, let's every time they drag, you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: when they're going to like we're going to Skinwalker Ranch
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: and they're like, did you hear that hold on commercial? Hey,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna in it, and then they keep at least
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: it's done as bad as they get later on a
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: History channel where they start like, hey, look we're testing
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: this thing and they keep replaying. At least this one,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I will say, doesn't keep recapping every time it comes back.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So we could spend an hour on here, just dissecting
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: all the overboard crap that they kind of lay on here.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Here's just an example, a couple of examples. So in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this they go and stay in some hotel. They're like, okay,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Brad sent us to Washington, d C. We have no
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: idea what we're doing here. It's like, okay, yeah, I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: sure that you don't have like an itinerary and no,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: but they have to like put on this thing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: And then they're like, oh, the concaneers says that there's
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: a message for us. Let's go and see what the
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: message is.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And it's like a Manila envelope and they open it
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: up and there's like a letter that falls out and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: they're like.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Wait, I think there might be a secret message in here.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And they break out like a matchbook and they start
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: doing in the lobby of the hotel, like, oh my god,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: there's a secret message and coded on this Like my guys, like,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: none of this should be as a shock. It's in
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the script. We all know that it's in the script.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But you know they're playing wrong with the formula. And again,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: if if that kind of campy play along makes it
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: unbearable for you, you won't be able to handle any of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: this series. That's what they do in every single episode.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's every single like when they find out about the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: clothes lines, right, this is I mean, you know you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hear you're like, oh wow, that's kind of cool. You know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: that's what a novel way of sharing messages. But their
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: version is to be like wait, stop, stop.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: You mean to tell me those clothes lines are secret
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: coded messages, like the way that they like draw it out,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's almost like going back when you're a teacher
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: would like not tell you like this is gonna be
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: on the test, but the way they would say it
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, this might be important everybody you know.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's kind of like reminds me of I
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: don't know if you've ever seen Duncan Trussel's podcast, Like
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: every time he has somebody on there like that is
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: telling him something he doesn't know. He's like, WHOA, Like
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You're like, dude, it's not that crazy. Like he had
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: some guy about the AI and they were like AI
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: might be sentient.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: They were talking to Alza Crowley and then.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: He's like, oh, Like it's like, dude, I just want
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to hear what the hell is going on. I don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: need this excitement, but I get it. It's for like
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: TV and stuff. And this is also you know what
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: twenty like fifteen years ago is something like that, like
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: when it comes out like and this was TV TV.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: It's not like now where at least we have Netflix
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and kind of a little bit seemingly unplugged right, you
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: go like they changed the format, but this is typical
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: TV one on one.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The cadence and the way that they do that. It's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: totally driven to like the TV's in the background and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you're doing something and you hear someone go, I can't
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: believe that was a coded message, and it's meant for
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you to be like huh and like pay attention again
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, right, So this is not a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: series made for someone that's paying attention the entire time.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It's maybe they're prophetic, like they knew you were going
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to be on your phone not paying attention, so sink
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: or swim. On this particular episode, this is the only
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: one that we watched. I don't care about the entire
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: series right now, but on this particular the President's Men
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: episode or the President's Inner Circle.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I think like it is tough sometimes for people to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: get even me, they get through some of these History
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Channel stuff because it makes me laugh and I'm like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: come on, man, you guys are over the top. Everything
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: that they presented though, is pretty good information. Like to me,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the Benedict Arnold that stealed it for me, man, that
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: was like damn man, Like it just changed. But It
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: literally changed my whole perspective on not just the Revolutionary
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: War in Benedict Arnold, but just everything where I'm like, yeah, man, duh,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Like why.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Would I never put that together? You know what I mean.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, he just traded because he hated America and
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, they didn't give him any money, like
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: he was broke, hungry, probably like trying and then seeing
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: other people become successful off this war and he's like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: wait a second, it's my turn to shine. So that,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: to me alone gives it a a swim all the way.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, man, the Benedict Arnold thing, maybe that's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: why you don't learn about this in school because then
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the kid's like, wait, but.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: You said that he was the greatest hero of the revolution.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Why wouldn't the state pay him for seven years?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, that's enough questions for today, moving on.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And then the other part too, was it must have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: just stung every time someone's like.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Whoa is that? You? Is that Benedict Arnold? Bro, You're
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: the biggest hero ever.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: You're my favorite, you know, like revolutionary action hero, And
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in the back of his mind, he's like still leting
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on that check, so I get I'll give this one
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: also a swim. I think that as campy as everything is,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you'll probably walk away with learning something interesting about American history,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: which doesn't happen often on the History Channel. Right, this
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is one of the few times you actually learn something
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: legit that is conspiracy related, and they don't necessarily have
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to hide to much of it because all the politicians
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: are like long dead by a couple of centuries now.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: So that's when you actually get the truth a little bit, right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That's like after someone's been dead for over one hundred years,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: then they're like, all right, yeah, he was a spy.
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