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Patriots Unfiltered 9/22: Breaking Down Win Over Steelers, Offensive Review, Injury/Team Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: In terms of the practice itself, what was the mood
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  Speaker 2: out there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, we don't really see a lot this
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  Speaker 3: time of year. We're obviously not seeing team drills or
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  Speaker 3: anything like that. Well, I'm not talking about the players.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the media. Evan, I get this for you.
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  Speaker 3: You work for in-house media. Well, yeah, there's like a
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  Speaker 3: tone to it. And that's fine. So don't let them
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  Speaker 3: get it.
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  Speaker 4: And when I say they, I don't mean every single
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  Speaker 4: one of them. I say a lot of them.
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  Speaker 5: They're not getting to me.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like they are. A little bit.
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  Speaker 4: No, they're not. He's got a little Brian Morey to him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not mad.
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  Speaker 2: First grade, St. Raymond's in Providence.
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  Speaker 6: It's a big men's room, and I'm in a stall
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  Speaker 6: doing my thing, and these older kids knock open the.
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  Speaker 2: Door and start laughing.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: And so ever since then, like, first grade. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: said it, too.
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  Speaker 8: I had a traumatic experience in first grade where I got, well,
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if I actually did.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember, but they said I flooded the toilet. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: out there, fantasy football players, if you got Christian McCaffrey,
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  Speaker 2: play him. It's going to have a big game.
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  Speaker 4: Can't get that just anymore. No, no.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 6: It is Tuesday at 11 here at Gillette Stadium in
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  Speaker 6: our new time, which will remain our time for the
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  Speaker 6: rest of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Subject to change.
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  Speaker 4: Our time.
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  Speaker 2: It's Paul. It's Deuce. It's me. Evan will be here.
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  Speaker 2: Alex is in the booth. And we're talking. A Pittsburgh win. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's always good to get a win in the NFL.
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  Speaker 6: So we're going to dissect that and talk about what's
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  Speaker 6: going on here at Gillette Stadium with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: And everything else. Injuries, injuries, not just here, all across
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  Speaker 2: the league. It's crazy. Brutal, brutal week.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're up to six starting quarterbacks in two
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  Speaker 4: weeks that are missing starts.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: There's a live cam in Chicago. The priest has showed
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  Speaker 6: up at Caleb Williams' house.
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  Speaker 4: I told you on the post-cam show. You were there
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  Speaker 4: when I said that, right?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen anything
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  Speaker 4: like that. Or a pulled hamstring.
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  Speaker 2: The memes are wonderful. Just all the different captions. You know, given.
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  Speaker 8: Give him the Caleb Strong hashtag.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be all right.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the meme?
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  Speaker 4: And I like Caleb Williams, too.
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  Speaker 6: Did you see the meme where he takes a towel
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  Speaker 6: off and he raises his hand? Me when I can't
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  Speaker 6: get Diet Coke and I settle for Diet Pepsi.
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  Speaker 4: That's good for you.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good one. That was a good one. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so how are we feeling?
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  Speaker 10: Good.
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  Speaker 4: Really good about the defense. Concerned a little bit about
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  Speaker 4: the offense, but I think it's just a consistency issue.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that week two is going to be
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  Speaker 4: a referendum on the whole season. I think things will
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  Speaker 4: get better. I think Drake May will be better. I
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  Speaker 4: have confidence in that. I don't know if I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to knock you off stride by being optimistic, but defensively,
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  Speaker 4: I thought they were excellent.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit. You never know.
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  Speaker 8: Keeps you guessing. You know, I feel pretty good, too.
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  Speaker 8: I know there's an uproar out there, which I expect
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  Speaker 8: from this fan base. They have high expectations, and it
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  Speaker 8: hasn't been great through the first two weeks, but I
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  Speaker 8: think I'm just embracing the journey with Drake May right now, and,
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  Speaker 8: you know... It was great last year, and you came
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  Speaker 8: away thinking like, oh, he's going to be this guy.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't really think that was the level he
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  Speaker 2: was going to play at.
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  Speaker 8: So right now it feels like he's fighting it, and
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  Speaker 8: I want to see him fight out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see him develop. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: easy on him.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't have really great weaponry around him right now,
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  Speaker 8: and I think it's developing chemistry, and then the injuries hit,
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  Speaker 8: and that's another thing that he's got to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as Vrabel.
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  Speaker 6: Said, there's a lot to not just every game but
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  Speaker 6: every play. in the NFL, and there's a lot to it.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes it's evident, like the Chisholm opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry missed the block.
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  Speaker 6: And that play probably is a positive play at least
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  Speaker 6: instead of a loss. So things like that, but everybody's
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  Speaker 6: got to do their job, and I think in the
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  Speaker 6: case of May, it's not just May as to the
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  Speaker 6: reason why they've only scored one touchdown in each of
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  Speaker 6: the first two games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit. There's more to it.
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  Speaker 6: But as we said in the postgame show, or at
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  Speaker 6: least I said, I don't want to put words in
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  Speaker 6: anyone else's mouth, he's the guy that we're in line
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  Speaker 6: to pay a lot of money to. A lot of money.
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  Speaker 6: You know, probably at the time that we pay him,
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  Speaker 6: he'll then become the highest paid quarterback in the league.
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  Speaker 6: So a lot is expected of him. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: that's weighing on him. So I look at it this way.
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to think reasonably and really be analytical about
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  Speaker 6: this without using the analytics.
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  Speaker 2: What has changed between MVP runner-up Drake May and today?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a few things.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of things.
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  Speaker 2: The playoffs, where you met a whole bunch of really
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  Speaker 2: good defenses, losing, at this point, three wide receivers, because
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  Speaker 2: I include A.J. Brown in that, but Booty... and Stephon
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  Speaker 2: Diggs as compared to last year. That's fair.
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  Speaker 6: And then I think, I'm not, you know, I think
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  Speaker 6: those two things, those are the two things I think
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  Speaker 6: that have changed. And I think both of them are
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  Speaker 6: in his head. You know, that trauma that you had
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  Speaker 6: during the playoffs where every play you're fearing for your life,
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  Speaker 6: you know, just rhetoric, you know, not rhetorical, but just
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  Speaker 6: speaking and, you know, And then, you know, not having
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  Speaker 6: the same guys out there that you had last year
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  Speaker 6: or that you had in camp in terms of A.J. Brown,
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  Speaker 6: I think he's still going through things. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he's got work to do upstairs. And like Paul said,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's going to be okay. I think it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be okay. But there's a lot on this
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  Speaker 6: young kid's shoulders at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'd say also last year, you don't know
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  Speaker 8: what you don't know as a rookie quarterback, and it's
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  Speaker 8: almost like you don't really have all these different things
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  Speaker 8: weighing down on you yet, or thoughts about which coverages
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  Speaker 8: you can't do, or all those things. You're just kind
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  Speaker 8: of going out there playing early on. I think there
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  Speaker 8: was a little bit of that last year, too. I
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  Speaker 8: see what you're saying. I mean, it just seems like
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  Speaker 8: there's a lot on him right now, and good. Like,
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  Speaker 8: this is an NFL quarterback. Like, this is what happens.
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  Speaker 8: There's supposed to be a lot on a quarterback. Right,
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  Speaker 8: so either sink or swim. I think he has all
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  Speaker 8: the physical tools and the off-the-field tools to bet on him.
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to be the perfect quarterback? Probably not.
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  Speaker 8: He's going to have some warts, but I still think
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  Speaker 8: we can get him back to a place where he's
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  Speaker 8: really excelling.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Durant, I always bring up the blog because
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  Speaker 6: I'm getting– raw reaction from fans in the moment and
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  Speaker 6: no sooner do these things happen but the north carolina
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  Speaker 6: people i watched his whole career this.
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  Speaker 2: Is who he is this is who he.
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  Speaker 6: Is like okay but north carolina he also went through
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  Speaker 6: change he never had the same coordinator every year he's
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  Speaker 6: probably do there he had pressure as well he's trying
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  Speaker 6: to do it all himself.
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  Speaker 4: He also didn't have the amount of support around right
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  Speaker 4: that's what i'm saying yeah i would push back But
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even just talking about the coaches changing over
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  Speaker 4: every year. I'm talking about the talent he has around him,
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  Speaker 4: the defense that he has to lean on. They won
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  Speaker 4: a game because of defense the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So that's part of it. There's a lot that goes
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  Speaker 4: on the quarterback's plate. That's sort of inherent with the
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  Speaker 4: position in the league. And I think he has plenty
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  Speaker 4: to work with. I do think there's some newness that's
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  Speaker 4: part of the issue. But another thing that we haven't mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't mention in your things that changed, is I
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  Speaker 4: feel like there's been a change to the way some
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  Speaker 4: of these teams are defending him as well. I think
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  Speaker 4: there's more tape out on him, and there's adjustments to
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  Speaker 4: the adjustments that still need to be made. I rest
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  Speaker 4: where I started with the very top of the show.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really have... My faith has not been shaken
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  Speaker 4: very much. I have some concerns about what I'm seeing
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  Speaker 4: and all that stuff, but I also watch this guy
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  Speaker 4: play at a very high level for virtually an entire season,
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  Speaker 4: and I have no doubt that he can get back
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  Speaker 4: there because physically I still see those traits. I just
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  Speaker 4: haven't seen him consistently in these two games like I
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  Speaker 4: did last year. I think it'll come.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is.
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  Speaker 8: I was doing a little digging on the numbers, not
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  Speaker 8: to get bogged down in it, but the most simple
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  Speaker 8: thing is a young quarterback early on, especially last year
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  Speaker 8: where you didn't quite know if he has guys who
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  Speaker 8: can separate, is you want to play man defense, cover
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  Speaker 8: them tight, and.
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  Speaker 2: Make this quarterback make great throws.
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  Speaker 8: I think what he proved last year, beyond a shadow
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  Speaker 8: of a doubt, is that he can throw the ball
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  Speaker 8: down the field. So now you've seen a slow morphing
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  Speaker 8: which is even more effective with good defenses, back into
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  Speaker 8: more zone and saying, okay, this kid, we got to
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  Speaker 8: make him check it down and let him find the
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  Speaker 8: zones and make him rely on these receivers to find
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  Speaker 8: the right spots. And I think you still see some
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  Speaker 8: of the clunkiness that we saw last year when it
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  Speaker 8: wasn't going right, drifting into pressure a little bit. Sometimes
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  Speaker 8: his feet aren't set and he tries to force it.
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  Speaker 8: You know, sometimes his receiver is not making the right
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  Speaker 8: read on the play. So it is a little bit
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  Speaker 8: of comedy of errors, but I think Paul's totally right.
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  Speaker 8: That's how they've evolved.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll say one more quick thing on that is
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  Speaker 4: I agree with Mike. I think we've seen a little
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  Speaker 4: change in how they're defending him, but I also would
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  Speaker 4: say that affects his ability to run because he did
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  Speaker 4: see a lot of that man stuff. Then that opens
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  Speaker 4: up avenues to take off and run. I think teams
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  Speaker 4: have done a better job. He's still, you know, he's
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  Speaker 4: still effective with his legs. He's still effective. you know, off-platform.
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  Speaker 4: One of the big plays in the game Sunday was
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  Speaker 4: sort of a broken play that he drifted to the
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  Speaker 4: right sideline and hit Dobbs down the side. Not the 63-yarder.
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  Speaker 4: That was a regular play, but there was a broken
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  Speaker 4: play also for another big game to Dobbs in that game.
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  Speaker 4: So he can still do that, but I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he's been necessarily as big a threat because I think
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  Speaker 4: teams are playing him a little bit differently as a runner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know... You have to admit that right now,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have that guy. One that he can really
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  Speaker 2: depend on in a pinch, but also that opens it
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  Speaker 2: up for other guys.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: And that was supposed to be A.J. Brown. Last year,
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  Speaker 2: it was Stephon Diggs. Let's face it. They're missing his
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  Speaker 2: dependability and his productivity. They don't have that guy right now.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have him.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that's absolutely true.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of the process here.
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  Speaker 8: I think they've got to find some new ways to
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  Speaker 8: move the ball. In the last couple days, we were
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  Speaker 8: talking about Reggie Gilliam, just the impact that he's made.
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  Speaker 8: Can he do a little bit more in the passing game?
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  Speaker 8: Could that be another check down option for Drake? I'm
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  Speaker 8: also a little worried, not worried, I'm just disappointed to
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  Speaker 8: see Raritan go out. I like getting him in there
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  Speaker 8: and having that two tight end set.
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  Speaker 2: I saw they worked out a bunch of tight ends yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a.
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  Speaker 8: Great sign for Eli Raritan, but I would have been
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  Speaker 8: encouraged to keep him in the lineup and keep working
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  Speaker 8: with him and hoping that he can develop.
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  Speaker 6: I do want to give people updates on injuries from
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  Speaker 6: what we know, because we don't know everything, but at.
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  Speaker 2: Least to what we know. But before we do that, Evan?
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  Speaker 9: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 6: We're just talking about thoughts after we had our thoughts
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  Speaker 6: after the post-game show.
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  Speaker 2: The panic. As of Tuesday, how are we feeling? Good.
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  Speaker 5: I feel largely okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of panic right now,
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  Speaker 3: a pretty big sea of negativity around the offense, around
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: What about you?
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  Speaker 6: All I care about right now is how you feel.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I feel pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely feel better about it than I did coming
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  Speaker 3: out of the Seattle game.
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  Speaker 5: Even though I thought Drake maybe didn't have.
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  Speaker 3: As many of like the catastrophic errors that he did
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  Speaker 3: in Seattle that cost him the game. But, uh, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't love how he played in this one, uh, which
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll talk about, but I think that what
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  Speaker 3: you did see were the glimpses of the big plays.
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  Speaker 3: And that was what made this offense a special last year.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, they were.
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  Speaker 3: The number one in the league in explosive pass rate.
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  Speaker 3: They had six chunk plays out of this game, two
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  Speaker 3: of them on the ground, four of them through the air.
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  Speaker 3: Even though the stuff in between, which is what we
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  Speaker 3: talked a little bit about on Catch-22, wasn't great. The
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  Speaker 3: fact is, is that... you know, the, the big plays
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  Speaker 3: is sort of where it starts. And then you try
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  Speaker 3: to get those drives finished and get those drives in
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  Speaker 3: the end zone, uh, a little bit better moving forward. So, uh, I,
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  Speaker 3: that's always encouraging to me, uh, when the offense doesn't
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  Speaker 3: feel like a boa constrictors around its neck in that
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  Speaker 3: being the Seattle Seahawks defense, uh, the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: games where they just can't, uh, really, you know, hit
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  Speaker 3: any sort of plays down the field or any sort
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  Speaker 3: of explosives in any way. Uh, this felt a little
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  Speaker 3: bit like they'd had some air to breathe a little
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  Speaker 3: bit against this Pittsburgh defense. So that was encouraging overall
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  Speaker 3: for me. I understand all the concerns about the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't look, he kind of lost his mojo to
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  Speaker 3: me as the way I would describe it. Like he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have, isn't playing with the same looseness and confidence
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  Speaker 3: that we saw when he was, you know, really sort of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, dealing last year. But, I think overall the
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  Speaker 3: offense at least flashed a little bit that it has
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  Speaker 3: that big playability.
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  Speaker 6: We talked about it before you got on, so you're
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  Speaker 6: a little disadvantaged, but I'll give you the.
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  Speaker 2: Question that we had and we answered.
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  Speaker 6: What has changed between now and when he was runner-up
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  Speaker 6: MVP last regular season?
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  Speaker 5: Got his butt kicked in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that was one of our answers.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's really what the biggest change is. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I know there's also personnel.
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  Speaker 5: Changes, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: That was another one of our answers. But the personnel
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  Speaker 3: changes happen with every team. You know, every team loses
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  Speaker 3: guys and adds guys and, you know, whatever the case
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  Speaker 3: may be. To me, the biggest difference between Drake, May...
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  Speaker 3: in the regular season last year compared to where he
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  Speaker 3: is at right now is that he got his butt
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  Speaker 3: kicked for four straight games in the playoffs. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that the biggest thing I think is the fumbling. I,
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  Speaker 3: the interceptions are still there. So I can't say that
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  Speaker 3: the interceptions, you know, he's kind of taking care of that,
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  Speaker 3: but I, I watch him play and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: the fumbling and making quicker decisions is, is something that
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  Speaker 3: he's trying to do to, like, mitigate the fumbles.
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  Speaker 5: And now he's, like, sped up.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's making decisions too quickly, where he's not letting
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  Speaker 3: things develop around him a little bit longer to.
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  Speaker 5: See if certain receivers.
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  Speaker 3: flash open or things that you know defenders attach to
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  Speaker 3: this guy that's going to open up that guy or
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  Speaker 3: whatever the case may be and I feel like he's
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  Speaker 3: going through it a little bit too quickly at times
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  Speaker 3: maybe even skipping reads and I think that that has
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  Speaker 3: to do with he doesn't want to spend too much
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: time in the pocket because he did that in the
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: playoffs last year and he fumbled the ball seven times
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: and cost the team in big situations. So I think
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: that that's where a lot of it, to me, stems from.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: So from watching the tape and from the people who
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: do the analytics, is his, I don't want to, I'll
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: say fear, but I don't know if he's fearful, but
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: is his fear of staying in the pocket too long
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: warranted at this point?
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: In other words, is his line actually giving him pretty
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: good pro?
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Uh, I think this week it was a little bit
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: more shaky. Uh, you know, most places had it around
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: a 48% pressure rate by Pittsburgh, but it's a lot,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: but he's inviting.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: A lot of it on his own.
• 15:50
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: So like some of that I think is, you know,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: on Drake, like I would say all three sacks, I
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: could kind of put some of the blame on him.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: You know, he runs right into TJ Watt.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: That may have been his worst play of the game.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Morgan Moses is holding his block. He's anchoring
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: on a bull rush. He's holding his block, and Drake
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: May tries to vacate the back of the pocket and
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: just goes right into him. Like, that's not on Morgan Moses. Like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: that's on Drake May. You know, him sliding down in
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: the red zone and taking a sack.
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: With the three-man rush where he just bails out of
• 16:24
  Speaker 8: the pocket instantly. It's like his back pocket, back foot hits.
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: So three-man rush. Like, there's time.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: So I, I think it's a little bit of both,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: but you know, Jared Wilson had a rough game in
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: this one. Obviously Van Roten comes in and has a couple,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: you know, some rusty plays and things like that. You know, him,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: him getting his first game action. So I think that
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: there was maybe a little bit more pressure this week.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: But overall, that's what it feels like to me is
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I think he's trying to make quicker decisions, but by
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: trying to make those quicker decisions, he's not letting the routes, uh,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: develop down the field. Not all the time, but at
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: least three or four times where you're like, he just
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: held his water just a little bit longer on this play.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: This is coming open, but he's already made the decision
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: to take a sack or run or something like that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of weird.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: I was watching the Saints with Tyler Shuck, who's kind
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: of come out of nowhere, but it was striking to
• 17:17
  Speaker 8: me just kind of getting to know him a little
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: bit and being like, he looks very comfortable in the pocket.
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: And a guy who's stepping up into throws and stuff,
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: just the comparison to what you were saying, Ev, just
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: feels a little off. It feels a little bit like
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: he's not feeling the timing. And I'm with Paul, though.
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: I think he can get this back. I think this is,
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: you know, this to me is like a defining period
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: of a quarterback's career. I mean, you want to go
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: out and shred crappy defenses.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Great. But, you know, now it gets hard.
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: Teams know what you like to do, and they're attacking
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: you in the right way.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Now, I know the Rams have a really good offensive line, right?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And the Chiefs have a pretty good one, would you say?
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: But it just seems to me that Stafford and Mahomes,
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: great quarterbacks, take a deeper drop than May.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And that might just give them that extra second or two.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to just look at things. And is that something that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: he could try just, you know, a couple extra steps
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: in his drop?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Well, the drops are usually are designed by the play.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: So the drop is timed up to the route. So
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: you can't, as a quarterback, just like if it's a
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: five step drop, you can't be taken seven steps because
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: it throws off the entire timing of the entire play.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: So like my homes is notorious for dropping deep in
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the pocket. That's like a, my home's thing is, And
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that they have responded with that by Andy
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Reed designing the passing concepts for the fact that he
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: knows that Patrick Holmes is just going to run backwards
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: on a lot of plays. So that, that's the whole
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: thing about drops is like, you know, we hear a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: lot about like the quick game snaps and some people
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: don't like those, but like those are pick a side,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: stick a side, like you're not progressing in a quick game.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Like you're just reading one side of the field and,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and you're throwing the ball quickly. So you can't then,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: if it's quick game and the tackles are cutting, you
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: can't then take a second-step drop or a nine-step drop
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and hold the ball.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't tie together.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Well, is May a guy that could benefit from that,
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: having some plays where he gets deeper and gives himself
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: more time?
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: To me, I saw more that he's not stepping up
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: into the pocket, and he's not being able to take
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: a slight step left and step into the throws.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: back, you know, and I don't, I, and it's the
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: little bit of what we said last year. It's the
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: drifting into pressure thing that he's, he tends to do
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: at times.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: We had, you know, Fred, you brought up the point
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: in the post game show and we kind of went
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: back and forth a little bit. You talked about confidence
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: and I kind of looked at it in a different way,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: but I think that's what we're talking about. I'm more
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: on your side, you know, in retrospect, sort of like
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: watching some of the throws. I know what you're talking
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: about now. It's not like he's, he'd believe in himself
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: kind of confidence. He's not step. He's not throwing with conviction.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: He's not stepping. As Mike said, he's not stepping into
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: the pocket and letting it rip. I can't really remember
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: a throw. I know it's only two games that like, wow,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: he just, that was a frozen rope, you know?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: One to Matt Collins.
• 20:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Deep in cut second in 21. He hit him for
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: 19 yards in Seattle.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: That was when you got to have one off the top.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Like seriously, like that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: The interceptions are coming because he's not like, I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: think he's seeing it well. And I don't think he's
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: adjusting to it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: When you made fun of me in camp about what
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: I said about Drake, what did I say?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: When I made fun of you?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I don't remember making fun of you in camp, specifically.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, you know, it was.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: It was all the time, so.
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: It.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Was more of snarky. It was more like, well, the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: rest of us think that Drake Mays is pretty good.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Fred doesn't.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, I was doing Fred back to you. That's
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: what you would do to me.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you were making fun of me.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Patriots are a good team.
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: Right, right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: You were making fun of me.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: But it was a response to me saying, if there's
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: one thing I'd like to see him do, is get
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: the ball out of his hands a little quicker.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean the play.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: As the guy's in his route.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: I think he just waits that little extra. Throw it
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: where he's going to be, not where he is. You know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: we saw it with the Dobbs throw earlier. I think
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: he could be just a... I'm going to use your word,
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: a little bit more decisive and confident that I'm going
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: to throw to this spot and the receiver's going to
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: be there.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I think... I saw it in camp. I'm seeing it now. Just.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Just be more decisive with that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Throw and just let it rip.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Let it rip and just trust that your receiver is
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: going to be on the route that was in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: playbook and he's going to be where the ball.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Is going to– where you're throwing it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Does he trust them?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. You know, he's got to. He's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: got to.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: But I think that's what– You're talking about throwing with
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: anticipation and throwing guys open and things like that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I think that comes with trust.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Is there anything that you've seen in your grinding of
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: the film that tells you they haven't earned his trust?
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: It's a good question.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I think in some instances, yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: But I don't want to say that to excuse Drake Bate,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: absolve him. That's quarterback. That's playing quarterback. In the NFL,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: they keep showing that Seattle clip of Julian Love saying
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: he's got to see the receiver open. Once he turns
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and looks at you, it's too late. Like you can't
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: throw the ball. Once the receiver is looking back to
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the quarterback, the ball should be on him when he
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: turns and comes out of the top of the route,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: looking back for the quarterback. So like, I think, you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: we were talking with Barth about, you know, Alex used
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the word he's under throwing guys. And when I hear that,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I think of something physical. Like, he doesn't have the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: arm strength to, like, push the ball down the field.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Or throw it off his back foot.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I think that what he's doing is that he's, like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: not really throwing with conviction.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Convicted.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And so, like, he's kind of guiding the ball and
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: throwing off his back foot a lot and things like that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And he's not just letting it rip. And those are, like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: two different things to me. Like, I think this is
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: more mental than it is physical.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And this is why I said, like, I initially pushed
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: back on your confidence thing during the post-game show, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I understand what you're talking about a little bit more now,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and I think you're right. I think I'm wrong.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: No, you're not wrong because decisiveness comes from confidence.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Again, I was taking the word confident in a literal
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: definition of the term, and I don't think it's a
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: problem with that. Like I said, I think he's too
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: confident at times in thinking he can get throws that
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: most guys wouldn't attempt. He always thinks he can make it,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: but What you're talking about and what I really agree
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: with is what Evan just talked about. Stepping in and
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: letting it rip, he's not convinced. He's not sure what
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: he's seeing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: And that confidence comes mostly when he has time to
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: think about it. When he's out there playing backyard and
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: he's on the run and trying to make a play,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: that's where you're not thinking as much and you just
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: let it rip.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: You know, so it's... Like there's some plays and I'm like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of this. So I try
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: not to do it like the whole like, oh, on
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: that dump down to this guy. He had that guy
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: wide open or this one. He totally I'm not a
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: big fan of those. But I just wonder if he's
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: not seeing the field as well as he has has
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: in the past. You know, a lot of people made
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of the dump down to Stevenson. early in
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the game, that he fumbled that he had Raritan in
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: the seam. Maybe he did. I'm not necessarily going to that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: And the opposite was true on the one he tried
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: to force to Hunter Henry. He had the check down,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: and Mike Vrabel said yesterday, you just got to take
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: the check down to Reggie. You know, that's just take
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: the profit again.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: So I think that he's not necessarily seeing it as
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: well as he did most of the time last year.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And listen, it happens to the best of them.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: I remember stretches with Tom Brady where the offensive line
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: in a few games weren't playing well.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And he was getting antsy in the pocket.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: You know, I remember, you know, quite a few instances
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: of that. So this isn't unnatural. It's just something he's
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: got to have to work through. And as we all said,
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: he needs the support from his players, too. Line has
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: to be better. Receivers have to be better. You know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: as Vrabel said, you know, every play is a season.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: And there's a lot of different things that happen within
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: every play that make it up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm at.
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: You've got to get to the games. I think that's
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: the only way to get through this is to continue
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: to let him face new defenses, work with these offensive
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: pieces that he has. We'll see what things look like
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: this week with who's in front of him, but I
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: don't see it as a magic wand of like, oh, A.J.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: Brown will come back and fix everything. He's got to
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: work this out mentally and get back to where he was.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Coaching is going to be a big part of this.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Who would you say right now.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: In terms of, not the plays, but his coaching him
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: has the biggest.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Influence on him.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be Josh. You think it's Josh?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the only concern that I have about that is, like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I hope that not turning the ball over is not
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: in his head. Because I think that there's a fine
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: line there. You don't want to turn him into Mac
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Jones either. You want him to be Drake May, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you want him to push the ball down the field,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: and you want him to try to make plays. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: right now, I feel like he's sped up. He's trying
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to get the ball out too quickly. And so he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: passing on things that might actually be there for Drake may,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that might not be there for every other quarterback, but
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I've seen him make those throws. You know, Paul mentions
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: the play to Raritan, which is my favorite play at
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the leak. And he's just leaking out the back of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the formation. And I think he skipped it. Like I,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: he's looking at Matt Collins over the middle of the field, uh,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: who is his first read because he's trying to move
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the zone. So he's staring down Matt Collins and Matt Collins.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: He can throw to Matt Collins if he's wide open,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: but really that's like the design of the play is
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: just to get the eyes on Matt Collins to move
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the zone and Raritan's leaking out into the seam and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: he's wide open and he just checks the ball down.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: You know, he just immediately bypasses Raritan and checks.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: The ball down.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: What was happening in front of him at that time? Nothing.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Actually, Jared Wilson cleaned out one of the guys in
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: pass protection, and he had a perfectly fine pocket.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So, you know, it just.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: those are the plays that worry me more than like
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: some of the ones that the turnovers, like the, the,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the short arms on the picks and stuff like that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Because like, to me, that shows a quarterback. When you
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: start skipping reads, you're going too fast through the progression
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: or you're predetermining where you're going with the ball. Like
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I look at the, the coverage and like, this isn't
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: going to be there. So I'm just not even going
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: to look over there, you know, that sort of thing.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And I think that there's a little bit too much
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: of that going on with him right now. Like just,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you got to let the plays develop and let the
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: routes work and let the combinations take hold to the defense,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the defenders and see if things start to open up
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: We mentioned injuries because that was a big part of
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: the game. I think five guys left the game and
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: didn't return.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Plus they, Played the game without another one, Carlton Davis.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So Mike Unwenu reports that he has a broken ankle.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I thought Mike Rabel all but confirmed that
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: yesterday in the press conference. He didn't say he broke
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: his ankle, but I think he said, well, you guys all,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I'm sure, saw it on TV. So he's going to
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: be out a while.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Draymond Jones left the game with a shoulder injury. and
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: went right to the locker room. To me, that said, oh,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: this is pretty serious. He didn't even go into the
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: blue tent. But Rabel said he's going to do everything
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: he can to get back as soon as he can
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: get back.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So they didn't rule him out.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: For next game. Hopefully it's like a dislocation and not
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: a separation. Pop it back in, and then it's a
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: pain tolerance.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's what happened to neighbors last night. He said he
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: popped his shoulder back. That was hilarious. That, to me,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was one of the funniest things I've ever watched in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: I don't mean to cheer for a guy who got
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: an injury, but as soon as Dart goes down, as
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: soon as Dart goes down, Jameis Winston comes in and
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: just starts spraying the ball all over the place. And then, like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: two plays later, Malik Nabors, like, in the play, you
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: can't tell where he gets hurt.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: But he went down like his shoulder had been ripped
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: out of its, like, you know. It came out of its.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I literally texted Paul.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, did you see this?
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And he's still riding.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: So I feel bad, but I just, at the moment
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, that's classic Malik.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not playing. I'm not doing this.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: I know. Like, what are we talking about?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Just in the moment I was like, oh my God.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: He's out.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: So Mike sends me the text by the time. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: put it on, he was in the huddle.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Now, the thing about those dislocations, it really depends on
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: how far it comes out of the socket and, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: how much you sprain everything around it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So we don't know. Draymond Jones' status at this point.
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: And I think Rap Sheet retweeted somebody from the beat
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: and said it doesn't sound like it's serious, a long-term
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: thing with Draymond Jones.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that Mike's... I'm just reading between the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: lines from Mike's press conference yesterday, and I would say
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that Jones probably has a chance to play. And I
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: don't look at his absence as being long-term. I would say,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: based on Mike's answer about the safeties, that Craig Woodson
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: probably isn't going to play. He didn't say that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Now, his was a five.
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: Woodson was a shoulder, too.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: And he mentioned Mike Brown being a guy, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: a veteran on the practice squad that probably is going
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: to be involved. They also lost Del Pettis in terms
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: of a depth safety. But I have less faith in
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: whatever knocked Woodson out of the game than Jones.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went back and looked at that. Woodson.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: He took Dottel on in the hole straight with his
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: left shoulder. And you could tell he was kind of
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: feeling it. He played one more play, was a third down,
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: then that was it for him. So I wonder if
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: he maybe– I don't remember exactly what he had wrong
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: this summer. But that was– he was just all of
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: a sudden gone, it felt like. It wasn't– Draymond Jones,
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: you saw him go down and go off.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And Raritan, was he– I didn't see that one. That
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: sounds like either a pull or a contusion.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: A contusion, I heard. A contusion is my intel.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: So again, that's, that can be painful. Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: That can be a pain tolerance issue. That's just what
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: I hate with rookies. You know, it's, it's stay in
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: the lineup. Like, you know, just find a way to
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: get a few snaps, at least make a few plays,
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: stack that success.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: He has a thigh contusion. He's not going to be out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: I hope he's, I hope he's, yeah, no, I hope
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: he's back out there soon, but I, you know, it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: the same way I feel about Akis. It's just, it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: also about the player gaining confidence that they can play
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: at this level. And, you know, the more I see
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: Akis and Raritan show up, I think that's really good
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: for them to, for their careers.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Reports that they brought in four tight ends to try
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: out yesterday.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: They don't have a ton of depth.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't have a ton of depth at that spot,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: like on the practice squad. And they have a ton
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: of depth on that spot on the roster.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: They have five of them.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Uh, if you count Reggie Gilliam, but, um, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: because they have so many on the active roster. So I,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think like Cameron lots, you played a lot, uh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: after Raritan got hurt, uh, Uh, you know, he's kind
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: of like now you're, you're blocking tight end. Like that's
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing I think they would miss with the
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: rare to not obviously the, the play down the field
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: is great, but, uh, he's a much better blocker than
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry is. And they actually got Pittsburgh into their
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: like pure base defense a couple of times and were
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: able to throw down the field against base. So, uh,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: that was, you know, so some like personnel matching stuff
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: that if teams are going to tweet, treat, uh, 12, like, uh, it's,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: you know, real 12, like they can actually run the
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: ball out of this. Then they're going to have to
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: put bigger bodies on the field. And that's when the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Patriots can spread you out and throw the ball. So
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: that's what they were able to do a couple of
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: times early on in the game. And then Raritan goes
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: out and it kind of changes that whole mismatch that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: they had created with all of that. So, I look
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: at the blocking ability that Raritan was bringing to the table.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Not that it was Gronk-level blocking, but it was better
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: than the alternative as the biggest thing that you kind
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: of miss from not having him if he's not available.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: I think Latu, Arkin.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Those guys can do some of the other stuff, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: can they make defenses put big bodies on the field
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: and then exploit the fact that they put big bodies
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: on the field like Raritan can?
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: 855-PATS-500 is the hotline. Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: The phones are stacked, so let's unstack them.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: We'll go to New Hampshire. Zach's there. What's up, Zach?
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: Hey, guys.
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: Thanks for taking my call.
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: I was just wondering, do you think with all the injuries,
• 33:47
  Speaker 15: they could be the type of team like the Texans
• 33:49
  Speaker 15: where Jaden Higgins got hurt and they traded for Kayshaun.
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: Booty with A.J.
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: Brown or Draymond Jones or somebody like that?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: So you're saying to trade for somebody now because A.J.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Brown got hurt?
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: Yeah, like a low-round pick for a high-upside kind of guy,
• 34:06
  Speaker 17: kind of like what the Texans did with a seventh-rounder
• 34:08
  Speaker 17: for Keishon Booty or sixth-rounder.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, are we there yet? I mean, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: don't think we need to do that. I think the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: guys that are here just need to step up a
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: little bit, and I think Dobbs did. I think Dobbs
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: had a decent game. caught the ball when he was
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: thrown to him. He had that one ball I thought
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: was thrown behind him, and I thought it was a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: tougher catch than people made it out to be. But
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I thought he stepped up a little bit.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: It was interesting.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: It felt like everybody in the press box felt like
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the ball was thrown behind him, and a lot of
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: people that were watching on TV at home thought it
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: was just a blatant drop by Romeo Dobbs. So maybe
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the angle that we all saw the play at made
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: it look.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: You know, a little bit more behind. Like, watching it back,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: it wasn't quite as far behind as I thought.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I would say watching it back, both were true.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: It was thrown behind him, but he got both hands
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: He did, but I think....
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Because we played it over and over again on the
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: post-game show. I think what you have to look at
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: is the speed in which the pass was thrown and
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: the speed in which Dobbs was going.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: That's why I said we had a still shot of
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: him reaching back and the ball goes through his hands.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: It looks like a blatant drop. But in real time,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: that's not what happened. It's exactly what Fred said. He's
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: running full speed one way, the ball goes the other,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: and that was one of the few balls that actually
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: had a little zip.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I think if he had actually reached with one hand,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he would have had a better chance of catching it
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: than with two hands. But, as he may, I think
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: he obviously had a better game than week one. It
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: was okay.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: So, I think.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: You're going to need more out of him. And they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: going to need more out of all the receivers. Need
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: more out of Pop.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I thought it was weird the way the game unfolded
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: in terms of The targets and, you know, the passing
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: game in general. Now, they didn't throw the ball a
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: ton in the game. I think they only attempted 25 passes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it was that many.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was 22 attempts and three sacks.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So you count that, right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: But there was, like, DeMario Douglas, like, comes first play
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: of the game, boom. Then I think he may have
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: been targeted one more time in the whole game.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Matt Collins, who, you know, he sort of left off
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: leaning on a little bit had, I think, just two
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: targets in the whole game. You know, and it wasn't
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: like Dobbs was the volume guy. I think he was
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: only targeted four times. The tight ends look like maybe
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the Raritan thing kind of impacted. I mean, Evan, I thought,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: articulated that pretty well. Maybe that was going to be
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a bigger part of the game, was trying to leak.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Leak reared him down. He made one big catch. I
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: think there was an opportunity for at least one other,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: and he didn't play that many plays. Maybe that was
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a bigger part of the game plan, but I just
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: thought the way the targets broke down in this game.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I think Kyle Williams had two. Chisholm had one.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Kyle Williams.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: No one really got any volume.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: I want to give Williams a lot of credit for
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: holding on to that ball where he just got de-cleaned.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And getting right out. Good for him. Because that's not
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: what he's known for. Over the middle, tough catches like that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: So I give him a lot of credit for.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Holding on to that one.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: You know, listening to Paul lay it out, too, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: think part of all this, too, some of the frustration
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: is just, kind of hoping for the same receivers to
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: do new things. And we've been kind of waiting for
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: the same receivers to do new things for a while.
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: Now we're waiting for pop Douglas to do, you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: a little bit more than he's been doing. And Romeo
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: Dobbs is new, but he didn't get off to a
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: great start. And, you know, it's just, you kind of
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: start wondering, am I waiting for something that's never going
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: to happen?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Like, am I hoping against hope that tomorrow Douglas.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Is, you know, I'm not waiting for that from Douglas,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: but I think he is sort of, I think he's
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: progressed to more than a one target guy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: And, That's kind of all he was. The other target
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: was kind of a throwaway. Kyle Williams, to me, he's
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: a one or two target guy. That I understand. Douglas
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: and Hollins, to me, should get more than two targets.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: in a game when you don't have AJ.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Brown, they're going to play man coverage. Like, cause they
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: opened up in man coverage in this game early and
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: pop was getting targeted because they were playing man to man.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, he separates right over the middle on the slant, right?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: To start the game. First play of the game. I, he,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing with pop. It's kind of like
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: what Deuce was just saying when they play man to man,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: he gets open.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Like he gets open a lot.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I thought he was open quite a bit in this
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: game when they played man, when they play zone, it
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: gets murky.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: So let me just say this. Like I, This is
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: not a DeMario Douglas, you know, like if they had
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: a really productive passing game the other day and DeMario
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Douglas got one target, I wouldn't say a word. Like
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: what they were doing was whatever you were doing wasn't working.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: They weren't productive really in the passing game. especially if
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: you take out kind of the first drive. The first drive,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: it was like boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, okay, here
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: we go. This is what we saw last year. And
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: then kind of as the game went on, it gradually
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: came to a halt. The best offense they had was
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the first quarter. And then it kind of got worse
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: each quarter after that. So that's the only reason why
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I bring up why Matt Collins only got two targets
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: or Romeo Dobbs only got four. and DeMario Douglas only got, like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: you were looking for someone to be a guy in,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe it's on the receivers. Maybe it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: as simple as that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: So you think, I don't know, I guess, like, he
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: averaged over 10 yards an attempt.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Like, That is highly deceptive.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: How is that deceptive?
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Because they hit a couple of 60-yard plays.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, so those don't count?
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Of course they count. I just said it's deceptive. It's
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: not like they had an efficient passing game like they
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: normally do.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't a high-volume passing game.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. They hit a couple of
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: big ones.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: That's different to me than efficient.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: And one of them was a completely broken play.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I do can't remember. One of them, like the 63-yard
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: play was... Dobbs turned into Chris Hogan. Like, they just decided,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: we're not going to cover him.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: You didn't look at the offense and say, this is
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a well-oiled machine.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Which is a great play. I give, you know, I
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: give Josh some credit for that. Just like I give
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Josh a ton of credit. So I want to, like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: defend Josh a little bit.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Because of, like, the first week and all the static
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: he got. So, like, all of a sudden, they sort
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: of switch it up a little bit in some of
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the things that we had talked about. And I think
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: we were all in agreement. They had some success throwing
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: the ball in first downs. And all of a sudden,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: when you do that, what happens when you run the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: ball in a first down? You go 39 yards untouched. Like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: can Josh get some credit for that? Or are we
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: just going to say it's Trevion Henderson? And if he
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: just runs Trevion Henderson, that's what's going to happen. When
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you dial up a play that the guy's first contact
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: takes place at, like, the 15-yard line on a 40-yard run,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: there's got to be some– it's not just great execution,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: which it was. I mean, the line just opened up
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: the holes. Douglas comes down and takes out two guys.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: And there's one safety there who he stepped out of
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: a tackle. Like, that was as routine a touchdown run
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: as you can get. I have to give some credit
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: to the play caller in that. Whatever it was, Evan
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: could probably break it down and tell you how he
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: caught the Steelers in some look or whatever.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing that they did... I thought
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: well in the run game was they spread them out more.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: So they ran a lot more like runs out of
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the gun. And a lot, a couple of them had
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: RPOs or RPOs. They had rods attached to them as well.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And on that particular play, they get a six man box.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: They get the safeties back. They're in a too high
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: safety shell. They're Drake maze in the shotgun. Uh, they
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: ran dart, dart, you know, just the tackle pole from
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: the backside.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Dart.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I know I'm confused with darty.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: That's a different, I know Fred likes to smoke.
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: No, dash is what they ran on the 63-yarder. Dart
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: is what this play is called. It's just power, but
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: instead of the backside guard pulling the tackle poles. And
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: they just got a favorable box. They got six guys
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: in the box, too high safety.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody likes a favorable box.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I was going to say it, but I thought maybe
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I'd be a little more appropriate.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: But that's what it's all about. Like that's what we
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: were talking about in the, in the first week. Like
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: it's about getting those advantages, right? It's about finding ways
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to either, you know, are we going to spread them
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: out to get guys out of the box or are
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: we going to motion guys to get guys out of
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the box? Are we going to run RPOs to get guys?
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Like you got to find ways to basically just get
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: numbers in the offenses in favor in the run game.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: It's all, all the run game is, is, is math.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It's just how many blockers do we have to block?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: How many guys in the box? And I did think,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: and when you have.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: A favorable box, you want to stay in there for.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: A while, right? So, you know, one of the things
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: we talked about, everybody focuses on like the turnover ratio.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Very good.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: You know, being the key to win, I'm just going
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: to move on. The key to winning is, you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you win the turnover battle level. And that's obviously true.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's the numbers speak for themselves, but a
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: lot of coaches, and we were talking about this last week,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: They're talking about the plays that Evan's talking about now. Like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: so you run the dash play where, you know, Drake
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: does a great job of getting out, letting Dobbs get
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: down the field. You get a 63-yard chunk. Those explosive plays,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I think the Patriots, you said they had six, right?
• 43:26
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Well, Pittsburgh had one. So that's plus five in the
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: explosive play category. A lot of coaches would tell you,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: you win that and you win most games.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: And that was obviously not competitive in this game. That's
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: how the Patriots won. Their defense was dominant. And their
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: offense had a couple of chunk plays that led to points.
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Because they couldn't really sustain anything. I guess efficiency is
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: not the right word. I think he was 14 for 22. So,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's probably... That's reasonably efficient. I just think
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the passing game kind of sucked. They had a couple
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: of big plays, and that led to points. And in
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: this game, that was enough. 13 points was enough.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: The big plays were good. The stuff around the big
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: plays was not good. I guess when you talk about
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the three things that decide games the most... Dropback efficiency,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: whether you're doing it with passer rating, EPA, whatever, just
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: discrepancy in dropback, which they killed the Steelers in this
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: game because of how bad Rodgers was in the game.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Explosive plays, turnovers. Those are the three things that the
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: formula is. If you win those three things, you win
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: 90 plus percent of games, something like that.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: So they.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: in all three, right?
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, they tied turnovers, right?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: It's 2-2.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: 2-2 in turnovers.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Because they didn't land on the freaking fumble that ended
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: up being a 40-yard loss. But yeah, that's why I
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: guess maybe I'm a little bit more optimistic about what
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I saw from the past.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, you missed my optimistic part of the show.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Because I think they're close. I don't think that this
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, you know, they can't move the ball
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: at all. I think that this is like, they moved
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the ball, they hit some explosives and then Drake may
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: through a pick on the very next play or they
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: move the ball, they hit an explosive and then Morgan
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Moses false starts. Second downs, a run to nowhere, third downs,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: a sack. And now we're kicking a field goal, right?
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Like that, that's not, they were in the red zone.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: They were in, you know, at six yard line, right?
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: They just move backwards. And like, there's too much of
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: that going on where they hit a big play and
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: then they turn the ball over. They hit the big
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: play and then they go backwards.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Sean's been holding on, it looks like, since Sunday night.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: What's up, Sean?
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: Hey, Evan. I don't know if you fasted yesterday, but
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: if you did, I hope you had a good one.
• 45:48
  Speaker 16: I have two things, one on offense and one on defense.
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: Josh McDaniels listening to Paul is great, and I hope
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: it moves forward and we get more opportunities with Sean.
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: smaller boxes. But I'm wondering, you know, if they tried
• 46:07
  Speaker 16: something like 22 personnel play action, if that would work.
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: And in terms of defense, I love the defensive game
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: plan that they played. Patriots were amazing on defense. The
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: only player that the Steelers had that I thought was
• 46:22
  Speaker 16: kind of impressive because he actually made a play against
• 46:25
  Speaker 16: with tight coverage from Gonzo was Jeremy Bernard. And I wonder,
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: is that another like second round Steelers pass catcher that's
• 46:34
  Speaker 16: Or is it also maybe something of the Patriots game
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: plan of not really preparing for that? So I'll leave
• 46:42
  Speaker 16: you with that. And, yeah, thanks a lot.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Go Pats. Okay. Thanks, Sean. I think he's good. I mean,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that was his first real game action.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't play because of Michael Pittman.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: We'll see. I mean, highly touted coming out. A lot
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of people really liked him a lot.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of comparisons to those Niners, Rams, gluey
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: type of receivers. Tough guy, runs good routes, good with
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the ball in his hands. But really, highly touted guy,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: like you said. A lot of people really liked him
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: in the draft.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Herms in D.C. What's up, Herm?
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: Hey, what's going on, gentlemen?
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: So, before I'm getting ready to say what I'm getting
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: ready to say, I just want to clarify. Did somebody
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: call in on Sunday and suggest to.
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: Bench or even trade Drake Gay?
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: No.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: No one called in and said that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Someone said that they should think about sitting him.
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: No one said to trade him. I didn't hear anybody
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: say trade him. I thought someone called in and said
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: that if it wasn't if they had a situation where
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: they had an option, that they should be thinking about
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: sitting him. Didn't someone say that?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Someone, I think, kind of did.
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Just want to make sure I wasn't misremembering.
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: Okay, well, I mean, whoever said that they need to
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: get the head examined to the obstetrician because I.
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: Think, and it's weird because.
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: Tom Brady is like the best thing, in a way,
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: the worst thing that happened to the Patriots because it's,
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: Every quarterback is obviously probably held to those standards, but
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: the reality is the road to prosperity is, like, different for.
• 48:24
  Speaker 18: Each quarterback, right?
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: For example, John Elway got drafted in 83, didn't win
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: a Super Bowl until, what, 98? Josh Allen still hasn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: been to a Super Bowl. He didn't get drafted in 18.
• 48:38
  Speaker 14: And Peyton Manning, who threw, what, 25 interceptions his rookie year?
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: got drafted in 98, and didn't win a Super Bowl
• 48:47
  Speaker 14: until 06. So I guess my point is, Drake May
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: is fine. You can't say that he had two bad games.
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: But for all these people to jump ship and act
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: like he is the second coming of Mac Jones, it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 14: just like... In fairness, one guy jumped ship.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: One guy said that. I didn't hear that. One guy
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: said that they should sit him. I didn't hear that, like,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: in the post-game show by anybody else.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, if you want to jump ship, jump ship.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: See you later.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: Bye-bye.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to be.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Herm.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be honest about this. Like, I
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: think people have been critical of the offense. I think
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: people have been critical of May. I think people have
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: used the word he's regressed. in these first two games.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard people calling for his job. I haven't
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: heard people saying they shouldn't pay him that contract. They're
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: crazy if they pay him a contract like that. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: haven't heard people saying they should redo the whole offense.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: One guy suggested that he should sit.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: And it might even have been before you came on
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: the show, Fred, before you made it down. It might
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: have been early.
• 49:49
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: But I haven't really heard a groundswell of they should
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: bench his ass. I haven't heard that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: You haven't been on Twitter.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: Let's take a break and maybe when we come back
• 49:59
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  Speaker 16: If Draymond is out for a while, would you feel
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  Speaker 16: the need to add on, or are you comfortable?
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  Speaker 24: Well, I mean, again, we have to look at all
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  Speaker 24: those things. I don't know how he's going to progress
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  Speaker 24: during the week. I know he wasn't able to finish
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  Speaker 24: the game, obviously. He'll do everything he can to be ready.
• 52:53
  Speaker 24: And if he's not, then we'll have to have, you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 24: you know, alternate plans.
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  Speaker 10: It was a situation where he's done for the season.
• 53:04
  Speaker 24: Well, again, I don't think he'll be available here in
• 53:06
  Speaker 24: the short term. So I wouldn't anticipate him being out
• 53:11
  Speaker 24: there here in the next few weeks. So if that
• 53:14
  Speaker 24: changes and it ends up being longer than that, then
• 53:17
  Speaker 24: we'll let you guys know.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I consider having Caleb Lomu try to move inside the guard?
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: Again, there's a lot of things that we could look at.
• 53:25
  Speaker 24: Caleb's been trying to predominantly practice and be there and
• 53:30
  Speaker 24: be ready to go and play and tackle. So we've
• 53:33
  Speaker 24: got some guys that we could move in there, and
• 53:34
  Speaker 24: Caleb would be one of the guys that we could
• 53:36
  Speaker 24: possibly do that. But again, we just have to make
• 53:40
  Speaker 24: sure that we have the best five available and then
• 53:44
  Speaker 24: the other three guys that are versatile on game day.
• 53:46
  Speaker 15: I didn't know that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: How do you feel Greg stepped up?
• 53:50
  Speaker 24: He had a few plays that he'd like to have back,
• 53:53
  Speaker 24: so would everybody. I thought he had some positive plays. Again,
• 53:59
  Speaker 24: to go through an entire game, there's going to be
• 54:02
  Speaker 24: some good ones and some bad ones and some ones.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: That we have to eliminate.
• 54:06
  Speaker 24: I think that he stepped in there, was ready to go,
• 54:11
  Speaker 24: and then we'll have to figure out who's the next guy.
• 54:13
  Speaker 24: If it's Greg, then make sure that he's ready to
• 54:17
  Speaker 24: go to work with Morgan and Jared as possible.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Mike, back at Drake and his interception, do you feel
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: like that ball was tipped?
• 54:27
  Speaker 24: I don't think so. Again, I didn't slow it down.
• 54:30
  Speaker 24: I think that when the linebacker drops that deep, we
• 54:33
  Speaker 24: should probably just get it down to Reggie. I think
• 54:36
  Speaker 24: he realizes that and knows that. Those are the decisions
• 54:41
  Speaker 24: that the quarterback makes. Those are the decisions that Drake
• 54:43
  Speaker 24: makes and Again, if they get us and they're that
• 54:49
  Speaker 24: far off in coverage and he panics that far, then
• 54:52
  Speaker 24: we have to go somewhere else with the ball.
• 54:55
  Speaker 21: To settle a little bit in the pocket, it seems
• 54:57
  Speaker 21: like there were times in the game where maybe he
• 55:00
  Speaker 21: bailed when it was clean.
• 55:03
  Speaker 24: I think there's a balance. I think you have to
• 55:05
  Speaker 24: be able to keep your eyes down the field. I
• 55:07
  Speaker 24: think you have to be able to slide and move
• 55:08
  Speaker 24: in the pocket and transfer. I think it also comes
• 55:10
  Speaker 24: down to to blocking better, more consistently. And so that
• 55:18
  Speaker 24: there's a confidence and a trust and that everybody knows
• 55:21
  Speaker 24: that the other guy's doing his job to make the
• 55:24
  Speaker 24: play work. And, you know, we have to be able
• 55:29
  Speaker 24: to do that offensively for 11 guys and have an
• 55:33
  Speaker 24: urgency and have a unit that, you know, whatever the
• 55:36
  Speaker 24: protection is and then the quarterback knows where the issues
• 55:38
  Speaker 24: is and then if the receiver has to sight adjust,
• 55:42
  Speaker 24: they sight adjust. Or, you know, if we get a
• 55:44
  Speaker 24: three-man rush, that we have the ability to stay in
• 55:47
  Speaker 24: the pocket and let things.
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: Progress and buy some time. So it all works together.
• 55:54
  Speaker 24: And I think that that's something that Drake has done.
• 55:57
  Speaker 24: I think that's something that we've all done at times.
• 56:00
  Speaker 24: And then if he feels like it's man coverage, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 24: and he feels like he can run, then go and
• 56:05
  Speaker 24: be aggressive. And, you know, he did that a few
• 56:08
  Speaker 24: times yesterday, and then there's probably a few times that
• 56:10
  Speaker 24: he probably could have manipulated the pocket as well.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Aaron asked you about Draymond. You also had two guys
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: go out at safety, sort of a double hit. And what, I.
• 56:24
  Speaker 24: Mean, again, I mean, we're looking at Dell for, for
• 56:27
  Speaker 24: an ankle and, you know, making sure that we have
• 56:31
  Speaker 24: guys on the practice squad. I think some of the
• 56:32
  Speaker 24: veteran practice squad guys are, are going to factor in
• 56:35
  Speaker 24: this week. And I know that, you know, Mike Brown's
• 56:37
  Speaker 24: been with us since the spring and, I think that's
• 56:40
  Speaker 24: the balance that you wage.
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: With the practice squad. We've talked about that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 24: You have some young guys that you're looking to develop,
• 56:45
  Speaker 24: some veteran guys that have played in games that are
• 56:48
  Speaker 24: preparing as a starter and that will be ready to go.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: As the week unfolds, we'll have to make sure that
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: everybody is ready to go.
• 56:57
  Speaker 24: If guys can't end up making it, then however we
• 57:01
  Speaker 24: sign guys or elevate guys.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: How has Galen Reed done in terms of his getting
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: acclimated to the system since he got here?
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think Jalen's done a nice job.
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: He's worked hard. You know, he got put in there,
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: and again, we have to be.
• 57:14
  Speaker 24: Ready to go. Some plays that are good. He's helped
• 57:17
  Speaker 24: us in the kicking game. He'd go in there and pee-pee.
• 57:18
  Speaker 24: That's not an easy thing to do. So I'm glad
• 57:21
  Speaker 24: that he was prepared and ready to go.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: How important is it to have a guy like Kevin
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Byard in those type of situations, in a room like that,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: when Jalen.
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: Hasn't been here that long, you know, traded for, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: then kind of thrown into a situation like that, how
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: important is just to have that veteran leadership?
• 57:35
  Speaker 24: Well, I mean, with Kevin, it's, it's the, the communication
• 57:37
  Speaker 24: at every position is critical. And so how you work
• 57:40
  Speaker 24: with the guy next to you, how do you help
• 57:42
  Speaker 24: somebody else do their job better is something that we
• 57:44
  Speaker 24: can all focus on, whether that's an offensive lineman, that's
• 57:47
  Speaker 24: a defensive lineman, or, you know, two safeties that's reminding
• 57:51
  Speaker 24: each other what the call is or the coverage and
• 57:53
  Speaker 24: the adjustment.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: The pressure Drake was under yesterday impacted his footwork at all.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: Um, I mean, I think that there were a few
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: pressures and there was a few.
• 58:04
  Speaker 24: Times where, you know, we had them blocked and then,
• 58:08
  Speaker 24: you know, I mean, I thought Travion blocked well when
• 58:11
  Speaker 24: asked to go in there. You know, I mean, again,
• 58:15
  Speaker 24: footwork is about fundamentals. Those are fundamentals of the position
• 58:19
  Speaker 24: and making sure that, you know, you kind of feel
• 58:22
  Speaker 24: the rush, but you're seeing the coverage and making sure
• 58:24
  Speaker 24: that that's something that's important and finding windows to throw.
• 58:28
  Speaker 24: You know, we knew that they were going to be
• 58:30
  Speaker 24: able to, you know, we had Hunter another time, and again,
• 58:34
  Speaker 24: they got, you know, Hayward got some push in there
• 58:36
  Speaker 24: and got his hand up.
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: And tipped a pass.
• 58:39
  Speaker 24: You know, so again, it's about knowing how to manipulate
• 58:43
  Speaker 24: the rush sometimes and, you know, knowing where you want
• 58:47
  Speaker 24: to go with the football and being decisive.
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: What are your thoughts on how Jared Wilson has fared
• 58:52
  Speaker 15: so far at center?
• 58:54
  Speaker 24: I think that wasn't one of Jared's better games yesterday.
• 58:57
  Speaker 24: You know, there was some times where he has to
• 58:59
  Speaker 24: hold up in the middle and pass rush. But I
• 59:03
  Speaker 24: also know that sometimes when we break those runs and
• 59:05
  Speaker 24: he's at the second level and getting guys covered up, that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 24: He's at the point of those attacks as well. So
• 59:12
  Speaker 24: I think he can protect better. I know he can
• 59:14
  Speaker 24: protect better. I've seen him protect better.
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: But they also had a lot of really good, nice
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: blocks when we ran a football and we broke through
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: there and was able to get to the second level.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, are you seeing.
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  Speaker 13: Repeat looks from opposing defenses or does it feel like
• 59:33
  Speaker 13: teams are, you know, sort of copycatting each other when,
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: if they have success against you guys defensively?
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  Speaker 24: I mean, I think there's only so many different options
• 59:40
  Speaker 24: that you have. I mean, there's only so many different,
• 59:43
  Speaker 24: you know, I mean, it's like they, some base, some quarters,
• 59:46
  Speaker 24: some post safety zone played, played some man, you know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 24: they brought the will, they brought the star, you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 24: I mean, again, I just, that's kind of what they do.
• 59:57
  Speaker 24: Most teams are, you know, have those same options available
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  Speaker 24: to them. So, you know, a lot of the things
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 24: that happened yesterday offensively, those were up to us. You know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 24: we stall, we hit big plays, and then we have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 24: a penalty in the red zone, which is hard to overcome.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 24: We hit a big play, we have a delay game.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 24: You know, we turn the football over, we've got a guy,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 24: you know, open, and then we check it down and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 24: turn the ball over.
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  Speaker 7: So a lot of those things that we did, the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: lack of success, the continued success, consistent success, was due
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: to us.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: To go back to him, just to clarify, I guess,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: was it a broken ankle?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: Did he break it? He hurt his ankle. Mike hurt
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: his ankle. I think you guys could see that on
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: the TV.
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  Speaker 21: You mentioned wide receiver group. How did they fare with A.J.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: Being out?
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  Speaker 4: I know obviously they got the second half of the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: last game, basically.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 21: But how did they sort of adjust to some of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 21: the things that you want to do?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 24: Well, I mean, for the most part, I thought we,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 24: you know, made good decisions. I thought we caught the ball.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 24: I think, you know, Drake can help Romeo. Romeo can
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 24: help Drake, I think. You know, I mean, those are
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 24: bang-bang plays on a slant. You know, Pop made a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 24: good decision getting in there, a lot of space early
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 24: in the game. You know, so, I mean, Pop had to,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 24: you know, played the block that sprung Travion. So, again,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 24: those guys, their job is to be versatile, move around.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 24: We had, you know, put guys in different spots based on,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 24: you know, Eli coming out of the game early on. So,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 24: you know, making sure that everybody's, you know, where they
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 24: need to be. But, you know, I mean, we had
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 24: a couple plays down the field. Rome had, you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 24: a couple plays. Trey kept his eyes up on third down, extended,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 24: hit that play, you know, I mean, again, we'll keep
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 24: looking for opportunities. Kyle had a huge third down conversion,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 24: you know, got drilled.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: And converted.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 24: So I think when we get some opportunities, just take
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 24: advantage of them, and I think we did for the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 24: most part.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: It's Legal Seafood's Fresh Take of the Week. Da-na, da-na, da-na, mmm, yummy, mmm.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: My time, Mike.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Smells like something fresh.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: Can we get a one shot on Pauly?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: You know what I smell? I smell an offensive coordinator
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: who's been listening to our shows. Josh McDaniels, thank you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: for changing things up ever so slightly in week two.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: I was really critical of all of the first down
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: runs into the middle of the line. And we saw
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a change. I don't think it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: was perfect. I don't think the play calling all of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, was lighting up the school board.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: They weren't scoring 35 points or anything but baby steps.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: I thought the first down passes in all seriousness were
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: a welcome change to the approach. Now, I'm sure knowing
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels, it's going to be game plan related every week.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: So it might go right back in week three in Jacksonville.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: But I did like some of the changes. And you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: end up with some really productive plays down. Get big
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: play in the running game. Two big plays in the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: running game. A couple of big plays in the passing game.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Great job by Josh McDaniels listening to Patriots Unfiltered in pre-
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: and post-game show. Thanks, Josh.
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  Speaker 8: I knew we were excited when the first play of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: the game, they went spread and just threw it right
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: to pop, and you stood up with a slow clap
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: in the press box, and I was like, oh.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Did I make a spectacle of myself with that?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I was a little performative.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Josh.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: A little performative.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: So they had 14 first-down passes. I'm reading from Game Observations,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: by the way, if you want to check that out
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: on Patriots.com. 14 first-down passes to 10 runs. And on
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: their first down passes, they averaged 8.9 yards per attempt.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: So they were throwing it, and they were throwing it
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: well on first down. First play to pop was Haas,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: which is great to see. Always good to dust that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: one off. And, yeah, it was more aggressive, if you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: want to use that word, which is.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Good to see.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to your emails and calls.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: 855-PASS-500 is the hotline. Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Rob in Willimantic says, on Drake's interception against the Steelers,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: there's a Zapruder film online that supposedly shows the ball
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: getting tipped.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Have you seen this? And if yes, what are your thoughts?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: Either way, I'm not sure it was the right decision
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: at the time.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Never open.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say this. I don't think
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: the ball was tipped. I've seen it a million times.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: But I don't really care if it was or not.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Even if it was, the quarterback's got to look for
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: those lanes and be aware.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a guy in his face. Yeah. That's why
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: you can't throw that pass.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: Well, Patrick Queen is also....
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: The safety's over the top. Queen's under the route. Even
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: if he's got a perfect pocket.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: But if you can't step in, there's no way you're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: doing what you did to the Chargers last year when
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: they had a really good bracket coverage, but he ripped
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: it in. With a guy on your face, you can't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: physically make the throw. So I don't really care if
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: it was tipped or not. I agree with everything Evan said,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: and so did Mike Vrabel, who said, we need to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: check that one down to Reggie. I, uh, I, I don't,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: he said he did after the game.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he saw Patrick queen dropping, or maybe
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: he just didn't think Patrick queen was going to get
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: as much depth as he did in the drop. But like,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, cause Henry's running across the field
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: on a crossing route. And the post safety is catching
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: him in the middle of the field. And like, if
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: you don't see the linebacker underneath, you could technically just
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: kind of lob it on the other side of the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: post safety and give Henry a chance. But the linebacker is,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, queen is, is right there.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: What I saw, even if queen wasn't there, the ball
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: was under thrown.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: The ball was under thrown, but like the decision, like it,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: to me, it's more of the decision than the throw.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Like the, like he's never open. Like he's, he's, Throwing
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: the ball into double coverage, essentially. I wasn't as worried
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: about the fact that he underthrew it. I was more
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: worried about where was he going.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Tim writes in.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: He says, in the past calendar year, the Patriots have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: lost to two teams, the Bills and the Seahawks, a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: total of three games in the calendar year. Given that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: playoffs and playoff teams are always tough and always close,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: The Patriots still prevailed in three or four playoff games
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: last year. Quite frankly, two out of those three losses
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: could definitely have been wins, a blown big lead against Buffalo,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: and a game won this year. Question, does Drake May
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: have a fastball? I've only seen really one instance of it,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: the pass to Diggs against Houston for a touchdown in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: the playoffs. We see ropes thrown by other quarterbacks like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Nick Starnell, etc. Does Drake have that in his repertoire?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I think he does.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: You're going back to last year and you didn't see
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: any fastballs?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Like that one that I'm talking about to Hunter Henry
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: with Derwin James coming over. I still marvel at that throw.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: That was an unbelievable throw that he ripped.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I just, I think it goes back to what you said, Paul.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: It's just, he's, he's not feeling it right now.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: You know, he doesn't have the conviction and the confidence
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: to step into it and deliver those kinds of throws.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: You know, I would also say like, I'd rather him
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: throw a catchable ball than throw fastballs. So like, sometimes
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: you need to throw a fastball, but like, you know,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: on the first big play of the game to Hunter Henry,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: he's got like two, three yards of separation.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: That doesn't need to be a fastball. That needs to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: be on him.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: You know, you know, I don't want to open up
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: any conspiracy theories, but did we ever get an explanation
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: of what his injury was last year, Drake May, with
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: his arm?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: No, I think the speculation was like a low-grade shoulder separation.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: Separation?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: AC joint sprain.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, AC joint sprain.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: I would say it would be.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: And the only explanation we got was that he said
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: he didn't need surgery. Right.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't serious enough to get surgery.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: And he's not Chad Pennington. Oh, no, he didn't.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, that was multiple surgeries.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. I don't know.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: I don't feel like that's it.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's it either. I think Fred, on Sunday, again,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: back to our confidence thing, I think Fred has it.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's throwing with, I don't think he's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: understanding or knowing exactly what he's seeing all the time.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: And he's not stepping in and letting it, you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: just letting it flow. When he's off, like, The play
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: that Evan's talking about, what do you call it, Dash? Yes.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: That's like right in his wheelhouse. He's out of the pocket,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: he's moving, he's being an athlete. That's when he's at
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: his best. And then he throws it 50 yards downfield. Now,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: even that was a little slightly underthrown, but he's so
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: wide open, you just want to make sure that you
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: don't miss the play. That's a 60-yard play that was really,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: really well designed. Everything about that play was perfect, Uh,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: right down to the fact that.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: The Steelers, Sabaz in North Carolina, what's up?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Good flood concept.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 11: Hey there gentlemen. It's always a pleasure listening to you guys. I,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 11: you know, I was on great May last week. I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 11: was very harsh with him, but I'm telling him, we
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 11: gotta let, we just got, I know.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: What's going on now.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: And I'm agreeing, I think with the Fred about the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: confidence thing, but it's not, Drake May's confidence. Guys, it
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 11: is the team's fault. You took away Diggs. You took
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 11: away Booty. He loved those guys. Diggs elevated Drake May mentally.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: He always was talking to him on the sideline. Let's go.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 19: I've got your back.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 11: You can trust me. I'm going to catch the ball.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: Now with these A.J. Brown, who barely lasted, and then Dobbs,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 11: it's like Drake May has to elevate them and tell
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: them to stay confident. I don't like what I'm seeing.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: I think that he is hesitant, but he does not
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: trust his receivers. And then we got, he goes deep,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: and it's bad. Something happens.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Well, he should have went underneath.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 13: He goes underneath.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: Something okay happens. The running back fumbles the ball, and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 11: you still blame Drake May. He should have went deep.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 11: He had somebody else open. The poor guy is being
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 11: just yanked and yanked. Let him play. And people need
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: to tell him, hey, you're going to make mistakes.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: It's okay.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 11: But now I feel like since he's the captain... He
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: has to elevate everybody else. There's nobody coming to the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 11: sidelines to tell him, keep your head up.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 19: It's okay.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 11: He is still in his rookie contract. I don't know
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 11: what we're expecting. Look at all these other guys.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Dart, out.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 11: Jaden Daniels, out. Caleb Williams, out. I mean, you be
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 11: blessed with Drake May. And give him a break. And
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: I really do believe he has no confidence in those
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: receivers that y'all got.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Well, that's on him. If that's true, that's on him,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: because those are the receivers that he has to throw to,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: and that's the quarterback's job. Do you think that Tom
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Brady had as much confidence in Reshae Caldwell as he
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: did with Troy Brown? But he made it work. That's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: his job. That's why you're the centerpiece of the franchise.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: And he's not hurt, so we're giving him a plus
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: in his column because he's not hurt?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: What are we doing?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: You're comparing him to Tom Brady already?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: I'm comparing him to quarterbacks. Like Josh Allen makes it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: work with Khalil Shakir.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 11: What did Matt Stafford do against Purdy?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: What did he do without Pooka Nakua last night? He
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: threw four touchdowns.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when James Pooka came in and crapped on himself.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, guys.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that had nothing to do with Stafford.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: What did Bo Nix do?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about Stafford.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: What did Bo Nix do? He rallied from 10 points
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: down in the second half and beat a good Jacksonville team.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: That's what he did.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 11: Both around the league, these quarterbacks, you've got to give
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 11: them grace. It is a hard position, and all these
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 11: new receivers coming in.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: It's supposed to be hard.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 11: I got that.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: That's what Josh McDaniels told him. That's the fun of it.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: It's supposed to be hard. Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 22: Yes, I got that.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 18: But you know what?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 11: Receivers make mistakes too, and so does the line, and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 11: so do the coaches. I don't think Josh McDaniels is
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 11: moving him around.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: So let's just get rid of all of them.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 13: Everything is forced.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: We'll just wipe them all out.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 11: I want him to play free.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: That's all I want.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 11: He needs to be free. Free Drake Mays.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Free and easy. Free and easy. Thanks, Sabah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: And you're telling me that everybody thinks that they should
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: get rid of him.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: I think that the balance there, though, like I agree
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: that I don't think he's playing as free and.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: Loose as he was last year.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: When he tried to do that in the playoffs, he
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: started to turn the ball over like crazy. So, like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: that's the issue. And I think that they're trying to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: find that line of, like, when he can be free
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: and when he can play, you know, out of structure
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: and when he can play with pocket movement and eyes
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: down the field and all that good stuff. And when
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: it's just time to take, you know, take your loss
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: and move on to the next play.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: It's a hard line to walk.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: That fine line, you know what that is?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: That's hard.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: It's hard to find that fine line. We've been talking
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: to Josh McDaniels about that for two full years now.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: And as much as the good vastly outweighs the bad,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen walks that line every single week, and I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's ever fully figured it out either.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Like he turned the ball over five times in that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: playoff game last year.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: It's going to happen. When you have gifted guys, sometimes
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: those gifts get you in trouble. And I think sometimes
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Drake May's gifts get him in trouble. And that's why,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: sort of to fill us up back to the confidence thing,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: that's why I sort of push back, because I think
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: sometimes he's guilty of too much confidence. But, yeah, I mean,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: he misses A.J. Brown. There's no doubt about it.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: If A.J.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: Brown was playing, I think that would be a security
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: guy that he doesn't have him. That can't be like, okay,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: so we don't have a passing game. It can't be
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: that simple.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: How many times has Joe Burrow had to make do
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 8: without Jamar Chase? This is the NFL, and to me,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: he's got to learn to play like this because he's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: not always going to have his guy. You can't fault
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: the team now and say they didn't go out and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: do anything. It's just unfortunate luck.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: A.J. Brown got hurt in week one.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: But I think that he's going to have to be
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: able to win games without a number one sometimes.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: It's just even if he has it. They have enough
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: to win these games.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: And Sunday was a perfect example of it. You didn't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: need the A game fastball from the offense. So the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: defense dominated. And they took care of a pedestrian, as
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Mike Rabel said. Let's not get too lost in it.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: That's what you're supposed to do to a pedestrian at
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: best offense is make them look awful, and they did
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: for 60 full minutes. Pittsburgh never looked good on offense
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: in that game. At least Seattle, I would say... had
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: periods in the second half. Once they sort of got
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: over the shock of losing their quarterback, I think they
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: settled down, and Drew Locke played a representative game in
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: the second half. There was no period where Pittsburgh looked
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: like they were.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Any kind of an NFL offense.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: And that was a testament to the Patriots' defense.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: I love how the whole defensive tackle group played, from
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: Milt Williams and Christian Barmore right down to Josh Farmer.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 8: I thought those guys said, Barmore said he challenged him
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: in the week, and I thought all those guys played
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 8: like they had been challenged in the week. You know,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: I'd say one thing interesting to me, though, finally getting
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: a look at Daquan Jones, he isn't as big as
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: I thought he was. He doesn't look, he doesn't have
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: the frame that I kind of, in my mind, was picturing. Like,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: he seems a little bit more long and narrow rather
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: than squatty.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's not like a Tonga-nosed tackle. He's more
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: of like a Durden body type. But I just love
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: how fast and physical that defense plays. Christian Ellis just absolutely.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Ruined Aaron Rodgers. Like I, I'm, I can't believe he
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: got up. I actually think Robert Spillane sandwiching him is like,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: like if he had, if I had taken him to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: the ground, I think that would have been blouses for
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. And I don't mean that as like, I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: want him to get hurt, but like that, that's, he's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: one of the best hitters in the entire league.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: If you want a good cinematic look at that play
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: where Rodgers gets killed, go to patrice.com. Uh, they created
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: a nice video, uh, set to classical music in slow,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: slow motion of Rogers getting hit.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: It's, uh, it's good stuff. Good stuff.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: Good use of all.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, Freud. Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Uh, all right.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: Uh, it's time for the show to get derailed. So
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: it's Christian in LA. What's up, Christian?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Hey, you guys. Hey, you guys.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 19: Hey, you guys. Hey, listen, um, I need to clarify
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 19: what I said the other day because I'm.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the one that said they should bench him.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're the one.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Stop treating him with kid gloves. I remember.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 19: I did not say to bench him.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 20: I said, if anybody else, if his name was anything but...
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 20: Drake may, you would look at any staying team would
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 20: look at the production and say, wow, seven, seven games.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 19: Where this guy leading his team cannot score in the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 19: second half. That's terrible production. Five games where this guy has.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 20: Thrown 11 interceptions to only seven touchdowns. I said, if
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 20: he was anybody else, any same team would look at
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 20: his production and say, Maybe we need to look at
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 20: this guy. Maybe we need to sit this.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: Guy down and talk to him. Can I ask, what
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: do you mean by that? What do you mean if
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: it was anybody else, not me? So, in other words,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: you're saying if it was someone who didn't have an
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: MVP caliber regular season?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: Doesn't that count? That's why you don't think about benching him.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: Because he's established a level of ability. If it was
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: just a guy who played six games and played the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: way that he played the last six games. Yeah, if
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: it's James Winston, it's different. Then you'd sit him.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: But that makes all the difference in the world. I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: don't think any team would bench a guy who would
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: play at the level that he played at last year
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: because they had two bad games to start the next year.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think any team would bench him.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 19: Well, it's not two bad games.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: It's seven bad games. It's six, but that's okay.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: But, you know, some of us put it in context,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: and it's not to make excuses.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: There was four playoff games and two games this year, Christian.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: It was six.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Denver was a blizzard.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 20: A game for a guy that is supposedly your franchise,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 20: a guy that's supposedly an MVP.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: So, Christian, what's the alternative, Christian? So don't back off.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: You're saying, Benjamin, don't back away from it.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: But what's the alternative? Back in the draft, Tommy DeVito,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: what do you want? What's the alternative?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 20: I think it's one of those situations where you have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 20: to tell him there is a chance that you can
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 20: sit down if you don't straight up and play right.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 20: You can't just turn the keys over to this guy
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 20: and say, you know what, because we gave you so
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 20: much money, because you did so well last year for
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 20: the last six, seven games.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: Christian, what's the alternative?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're telling him.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: What's the alternative?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 19: I don't know what the alternative is. I'm not a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 19: sports psychologist. I'm not a coach. But we have to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 19: stop treating him like, okay, well, let's just get ready
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 19: for Drake. Drake is going to be okay. Let's talk
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 19: about it the way it really is. He's not playing
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 19: like a quarterback.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: That would beat anybody else's team. No one's arguing with
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: you at that point.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: I think we've tried to analyze it. Thanks, Chris.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: I think we've talked about it.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: He really wants people with pitchforks and torches to storm
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: the couch.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Know what the alternative is.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: He is calling for him to be benched. I mean,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: he started out, he goes, I think I want to clarify,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: and then he just rattled off why he thinks he
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: should sit. And that's your opinion. But own it.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Stand by it. And do you think it's productive? Do
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: you think it would help for coaches to go up
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: to him and say, hey, you're going to get benched.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: One more bad throw and you're on the bench, buster.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Double secret probation. I mean, do you really think that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: that's the way to make things better?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 13: No.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: And to suggest that we're not talking about these issues.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: We talked about it for the first hour of the show.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: The four of us are talking about him not seeing
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: the field maybe as well, not stepping into throws, not
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: throwing with conviction, maybe having a crisis of confidence. The
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: efficiency and the effectiveness beyond the one or two big
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: plays downfield... Other than that, where are the points? They're
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: not scoring points. They're not moving the ball. They've been
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: around 300 total yards in both games. I don't know
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: how much else we can dissect and analyze negatively of
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing. But now I think the difference between
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: the four of us and Christian and I'm sure some
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: others is I think we have some confidence based on
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: what we've seen that this will turn. We've seen the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: guy play at a higher level. Then he's played at
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: the last six games, by the way. He keeps adding one.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: It was four playoff games and two games in the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: regular season.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: Right? Yeah.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: No, I understand why people attach the playoffs because it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: looks similar. He looks similar when you watch him to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: the guy that was playing in the playoffs. But it's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: two separate seasons, right? At the end of the day...
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: To me, it's two games. There's different players. There's different opponents.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: He's last two, right? Right. It makes me sick to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: think that we're now.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: And I know it wasn't great, but the guy won
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: an AFC championship in Denver. I don't care what it
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: looked like. That's an impossible game to play. I've seen
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: Tom Brady lose it. Regardless of how it looked, the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: team won three games in the playoffs.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: With this guy. I'm going to cut ties on that one.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys could have thrown for
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: 86 yards in one year.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: Like, you know, but like, I have to look at
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: the whole team and say, how did it go last year?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Did it go pretty good? Yeah. Oh, two games later.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: Now we're like, and that's why I started off by
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: asking him, what do you mean by, if he wasn't
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: named Drake may. So like, it sort of implies that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: he hasn't done anything, but his name, you know, it's
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: like drew Henson at Michigan because of, he was drew Henson.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: He got to play and, alongside Brady, even though Brady
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: was clearly outplaying him. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Like, based on his reputation, he was afforded opportunities to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: play at Michigan under Lloyd Carr.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: That's not why Drake May is playing the games right now.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: Drake May is playing the games right now because he
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: played the 2025 season, as Mike just said, at an
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: MVP level, and then, however it happened, was able to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: advance to the Super Bowl. With him playing quarterback.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: That's why no one's talking about benching him.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: Two years ago, Jaden Daniels had a pretty good season, right?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: Took his team to the NFC Championship.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: If in year two, he had the same production that
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: Drake May has right now, would you think the commanders
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: would be bench.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: You know, thinking of benching him? Of course not.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: I just think that.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: They're not thinking of benching him anyway. Right.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: The only thing that I take from, like... I'm just
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: saying another name.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: You know, other than.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: But again, you establish a level of play.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: That's why he's playing. It's not because of his reputation
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: or his name. There's no team that would be benching
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Drake May.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: If Drake May played for any other team in football
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: last year and played the same level of football and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: had these two games to start the season, there's no
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: team that would even consider it. Not even the Jets.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Anthony says, I thought you'd like that.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Shot of the Jets, right?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: They just cut him. They would just cut him.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: Anthony wants to know, is the dash pass the cover
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: six beater? I think that play came off of a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: cover six. As up and down as Drake has been,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: I believe we saw flashes of last year's Drake against
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: the Steelers.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: So some dispute about the coverage exactly.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: This is what happens. You mean guys that don't know
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: what the coverage was?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: The guy in the middle, was he over to this side?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Was he a little bit closer? Was it cover three?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: So it looked to me like they were playing straight
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: quarters coverage. to the passing strength, but I could hear
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: cover three as well, but that middle safety, if he's
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: playing cover three, like he's, he's really low to like,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: usually the post safety is out. Like he's getting, you know, deep, uh,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. Uh, but maybe it was,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: it was, I don't know. I, I read it as
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: cover six. Some other people saw it as cover three semantics.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: They flooded the zone sale concept, pop Douglas on the corner, uh,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: Dobbs is actually.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: On the clear. Like, that's not even really where the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: ball is supposed to go.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: And 22, Asante Samuel Jr.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: Kind of stinks, by the way.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Asante.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: There's conflict there, right? Like, he can't cover both guys.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: So two guys are running into his zone. Now, rule
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: of thumb is usually GTFB. Like, you're supposed to stay
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: over the top of the deepest route and just give
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: up the little chunk instead of the big chunk.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: But Asante Samuel Jr. 's in hell. He doesn't know
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: what to do. Do I cover Dobbs? Do I cover Pop?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: And it was a really nice, just perfectly well-designed play
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: by Josh McDaniels.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe you didn't hear my Legal Seafood's Fresh Take of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: the Day, Mike. You've been busy. You've been away a
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: long time.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: You didn't hear. It's the same thing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: It's like Josh McDaniels, three games ago, he was the
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: assistant coach of the year last year.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Now, three games later, he can't coach offense.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: He needs to go. quickly on the cover six thing.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: I'm already annoyed.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: I'm already annoyed because this Jaguars defense is a very
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: heavy cover six defense. So it's going to be, so
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: it's going to be another week of cover six and woo.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: So, uh, can't wait for that without the talent there.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Not, not Seattle's level.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Uh, but the only team that run has run more
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: cover six from the start of 2025 and Jacksonville is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: the cover six. Godfather himself, Vic Fangio in Philadelphia. So it's, Eagles,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: Jaguars in terms of cover six rate, and they're going
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of it again on Sunday.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Another thing you might hear a lot of during the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: course of the week is protecting the ball because that's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: how Jacksonville's defense lives. They try to take the ball away.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: They're very aggressive. Yeah, we'll get to it later in
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the week. I don't want to, you know.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's more of a Wednesday.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: I don't want to empty the chamber.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Hello, everyone.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Hello, Maureen. Claire writes in. I just want to help
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: her out here.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: She says, could you please give a huge shout out
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: and thank you to Chutters from Manchester. Today we recorded
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: our 100th episode of Pat's Procrastination YouTube show for Pat's Propaganda.
• 1:25:56
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• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: co-host for three years and 100 episodes.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:26:04
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  Speaker 4: Good job, Shudders.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: You remember those blogger days?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: We all love going on the show with Claire. Did
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: Shudders ask me questions, like, through Claire? I don't know
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: if I've ever talked to Shudders personally.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: But she always has, like, one or two questions that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: are from Shudders wanting me to ask you this.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: Like, okay, cool.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: Was that cover six or seven?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Or three.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: Well, seven's totally different, Paul.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Can I throw a couple things out there?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: Kind of felt like I saw something from Elijah Veritaka
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: for the first.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Time in this game. Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was much better in this game. Maybe, like,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: he was just a little rusty in that first game
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: in Seattle.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Get some movement on Cam Hayward.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Double teams with him and Campbell on the 24-yard run
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: really moved the line.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting to see something from him.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Saw a little bit of something.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy next to him will, you know.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: David Bethlehem about May. He said, this is where coaching matters. Braves, McDaniels,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: Grant are a rock-solid group. Need to focus.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Honeymoon is over.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: So the one thing I would just say from the,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: you know, Christian saying it's been seven games, it's been
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: six games really, but you know, the, the whole teams
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: have had a whole off season to kind of study
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: this offense and study Drake may Josh McDaniels brought it
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: up last week. That's been sticking with me a little bit.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a big part of it. You know,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: there are things that he likes to do.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: There are things that he's comfortable running.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: There's passing concepts that I can even, you know, rattle
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: off that are his favorites. And when teams start to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: see that over and over again on film, they spend
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of time there. These coaches on the other
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: side of the ball get paid too. So this is where,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: this is the NFL. So that's why I'm not in
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: a panic over two games is because this is like,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: they're getting paid. They came in swinging. Now they got counterpunched,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: and now they need to counterpunch back. It's the adjustment
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: to the adjustment. Before you came in and when Fred
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: threw that out there, what has changed? What's different between
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: the 25 season and what we've seen so far? And
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: we had those things that you had rattled off about,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: you know, the receivers have changed and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: That was one of the ones I added was I
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: think some teams are, playing them differently. And I even
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: think that you've seen a slight difference, not huge, but
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: a slight difference in them worried about him as a runner.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: And the way that they've defended him and not allowed
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: him to maybe run as productively as he did last year. Yeah.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, the red zone sack, he's got three sets
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: of eyes on him. They have two little zone droppers over,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: and then they also have the post safety in the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: middle of the field with eyes in the backfield. They're just,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: they're playing him smartly because these other teams get paid too.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: And they have smart coaches.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: My question is, if you're an offensive coordinator, how much
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: of that do you anticipate?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Like some of it I think is obvious, right?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: With playing more high, taking away the deep ball, but,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: and how much do you have to wait and just
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 8: kind of see what teams are doing to you? I mean,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: can Josh anticipate what he thought those changes were and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: kind of preemptively say, this is how we have to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: evolve because this is how teams are probably going to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 8: play us. Or do you go in and say, Hey,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 8: We're going to do what we do, and as teams
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: start to play us different ways, now we kind of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: have to come up with the adjustment.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: You want to be the hammer or the nail.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: And you also get into teams that have worse personnel
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: but also don't have the ability to sit in a
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: too-high safety shell because of the personnel and play 90% zone.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: I thought Pittsburgh would play more zone than they did.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: They came out in this game and played man, and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: the Patriots went right down the field. And they played
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Manna for really the first two drives of the game,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: and I was pretty shocked that they played.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Manna out of the shootout. That was Troy Brown's thing
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: coming out of it.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 8: He said, I wouldn't be surprised to see, try to
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: force those receivers to separate and see what the chemistry
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: was like, but I guess you got your answer.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it was the wrong direction.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: Anthony, about Christian in L.A., I'll be honest, he sometimes
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: has good points, but what a bad take today.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, great idea. Let's help May get his confidence
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: back by dangling the starting role, by telling him he
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: has a short leash.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: He needs to be built up. He's going to turn
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: it around. I'm not even close to be worried about that.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: The worry should be injuries.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: And then another one on Christian in L.A. I want
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: to be very clear that I am not saying Drake
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: May is this player necessarily. because Drake is actually talented.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: But when McCorkle had his prolonged slump that started in
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: one year and continued into the next, people were ready
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: to move off of him. Very few held on to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: the first part of the year where he played decent
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: and saying that was the real Mac.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: They were falling for zappy fever.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: Perhaps that is what Christian is referencing, but I also
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: understand I'm likely giving his rant a charitable read.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Mac Jones wasn't an MVP runner up.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're given a charitable read to Christian.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: You're given a charitable memory of what Mac Jones did
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: in his rookie year. He was pedestrian.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Right. We told you that. at the second half of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: I told you that the whole year. They were winning
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: despite him, not because of him.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Well, that's going a little far, but there's no doubt
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: that what Drake May did last year is pale.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 11: Vastly.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: Vastly. Even eye test wise, physical talent is not close.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: And I, you know, Mac's one of my guys, but
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: like that, that's not, not close. Not in terms of
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: the product on the field and the eye test, like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: just overall.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: And the fact that Zappi went in and it was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: kind of the same, to me, illustrated the fact that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: you weren't getting anything special from the quarterback because the
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: fourth-round Jag was doing the same thing.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just hearing the Zappi chants.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: The injury part, though, I've been hearing a lot of
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: the second-guessing about Diggs now.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: And it's like, first of all, we'd be saying that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: if A.J. Brown doesn't get hurt. If he had A.J.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: Brown.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: And, you know, that was that was who was here
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: to be the high volume guy instead of Diggs. And
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go too far down this road
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: with Diggs. But if you're going to talk about the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Diggs thing, you got to talk about the Diggs thing.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not just the stuff that he brought on
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: He's a lot. He's a lot.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: And like there was a lot of stuff going on
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: around Stefan Diggs that. I think contributed to the fact
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: that he's not here anymore. And I feel like the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: conversation is just about football, which trust me, I only
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: want to talk about football. But if you're asking about
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: the decision from a personnel standpoint of why they moved
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: off of Stefan Diggs, it wasn't because he was bad
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: at football.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: It was just an expiration date.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: If it was just about football. then you guys all
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: still would have taken him. If it was just about football,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: we all agree. I mean, a tremendous career. And he's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: still good. He's contributing for Washington.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: He's got like four touchdowns already or three or something
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: He had one in week one.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: I think he had two in this one. I think
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: he has three altogether. I think he had two in
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: this game.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: The long term with Drake May is never going to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 8: be with Keyshawn Booty and Stephon Diggs.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: And so you made the move for A.J. Brown this year.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes next year.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: This season, they have opportunity next year with Matt Collins
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 8: is up and Pop Douglas is up, and they'll have
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: an opportunity next year to rejigger the receiving room if
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: they want. But ultimately, it just comes back to Drake,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 8: and he's got to be able to be the conductor
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 8: of the system. And when a new player, a receiver,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 8: comes in next year, he's got to be able to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: bring that guy in and earn trust with that guy.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: And that's how it works if you maintain a competitive
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 8: team year in and year out, regardless of injuries.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: Hey, fellas.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 18: How y'all doing?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Okay. Eldred.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 11: I'm doing okay.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 18: Paul, I agree with you to some extent. Evan, you
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 18: defend your boy to the heel like I defend mine.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, dog.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 18: I die on that heel, too. But he has lost
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 18: his confidence for some reason. Excuse me, I don't know.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Why or how.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 18: Besides all that, he's hitting defense. Like I said, sometimes
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 18: it reminds me of North Carolina Drake May. But you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 18: made a point, though. You've got to trust your receivers
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 18: no matter what, and the receivers have got to trust you.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 18: And according to Cato's, Tyler, whatever his name is, and
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 18: Phil Perry, yeah, all of those misread and policy, you
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 18: don't want to bring him up. He had a bunch
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 18: of guys open. He just spread through. He just run through.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 18: So if they can just settle him down, you can
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 18: bet the MVP level. At least I'm hoping. I lost
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 18: 150 the first week. I didn't bet this week. But
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 18: I'm going to try to bet on Jacksonville.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 13: I guess Jacksonville.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 18: Hope I don't lose that one. But other than that,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 18: that's about it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 15: It's all on Drake.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Hey, Eldred.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 18: Drake got to step up. That's all there is to it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 8: Eldred, I got a glimpse of your guy DK Metcalf
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 8: on the field before the game.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: I get it now. I get it.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: You didn't get it before?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 14: Yep. Yep.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Big dude. Looks like Tarzan.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 14: Nah.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: You look like Tarzan, but.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: He actually looks like he retired, to be honest with you.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was interested in playing that game
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Eldridge. Not today, Coach.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: He just didn't want to catch the ball. Even the
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: few times that he was open, he wouldn't catch it.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: We've got a Christian Gonzalez film breakdown that we're working
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: on that you can watch him covering DK Metcalf. And
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: I think the most encouraging part about Gonzalez was... how
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: much off coverage he played against DK because he didn't
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: want to press him because he's so big. So he
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: played off of him and was just mirroring him at
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: the top of routes. And like rookie year, Gonzalez didn't
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: have that in his bag. Like he wasn't, you know,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: the technique wasn't there. He was a strictly a press
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: man corner. Like now he's like bailing and catching him
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: down the field and staying over the top of double moves.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: And he's breaking on underneath throws. I mean, he, that
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: was really, A pretty dominant performance.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of things that happened in that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: game that I kind of envisioned happening, but one of
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: the things that I was way off on is I
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: saw how bad Metcalf was in the first game against Atlanta,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: and I was like, he's too good to have... He
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: may have been worse in this game. That's what it is.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: I just thought he looked disinterested in playing, quite frankly.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: I didn't think he had any interest in playing in
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: the game. He certainly didn't want to fight Christian Gonzalez
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: in this game.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it would be a little bit tougher
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: test for the defense... this game coming up.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: Just going forward in general, they're going to start to
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: see some, some, remember.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: Pittman was out to Metcalf was a ghost of himself,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: And I mean, Aaron Rogers is not good.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: And I know like, no, it's true. You know, like
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: that would be an example of a guy, you know,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: if that, you know, to Christian's point, if his name
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: wasn't Aaron Rogers, he probably would be sad because he
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: can't play anymore. He can't be at a level anymore. No.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Patty's an Agawam. What's up, Patty?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 12: What's up, guys?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 15: So Deuce touched on a little bit of what I
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 15: want to talk about, and that's Josh McDaniels. I feel
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 15: like a lot of fans are getting the torches and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 15: pitchforks out for him already. And I think people need
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 15: to just cool it off a little bit and realize
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 15: that the system that McDaniels has run, which is an
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 15: offshoot of Earnhardt Perkins', it's a proven system. It's a
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 15: proven system here. I think once Drake May gets into
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 15: year 5, 6, 7, somewhere around there, and he has
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 15: a full mastery of the system, I feel like he
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 15: could play in any system. And I don't feel like
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 15: that's the same thing with the West Coast, the Shanahan,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 15: or the Bill Walsh offense. I think if you take
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 15: a quarterback out of that system and in year five
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 15: or six and stick them into this system, I think
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 15: the learning curve is going to be a hell of
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 15: a lot longer. And people need to realize, too, when
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 15: it comes to Drake, what does he have, 35 total starts?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 15: It's a little bit more than two full seasons of
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 15: tape on the guy. Stop treating him like he's a
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 15: 10-year vet. Like, he's going to make mistakes. He's going
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 15: to mess up. But you have to take the good
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 15: with the bad. I think at some point he's going
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 15: to heat up. And honestly, I think I think you
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 15: need someone like Drew in his ear just to tell him,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 15: just go out there and swing it, kid. That's what
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 15: I got, guys.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Patty.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: The one thing about the play calling, like now we're
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: getting a larger sample size and starting to see more
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: of what they're doing that I find interesting is just
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: I think they're they're doing a lot of different things to,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: I think to try to protect the offensive line. They're
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: moving the pocket more, a lot of cut blocking, a
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: lot of three men in the route with extra protection
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: when they're trying to push the ball down the field.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: And it's two good fronts. So maybe it's just a
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Seattle-Pittsburgh thing. But I don't think that they're asking a ton.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: I think Will Campbell's playing well for what he's being
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: asked to do. But I don't think he's being asked
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: to do a ton.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: And, you know, there's pros and cons to both things.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: But when you're only putting two or three guys in
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: the route, you're not stressing the defense the way that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: you would if you put five in. So, like, I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: don't know what the impetus of that is. Like, I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's opponent driven, that they just don't
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: want TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith and Cam Hayward to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: take over the game against five man pass pro or
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: if it's they don't, you know, They're not as confident
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: in those guys up front, but I wonder at some
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: point if McDaniels gets a little bit more comfortable with
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: the performance that he's seeing out of the offensive line
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: and putting a little bit more on their plate. We're
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: talking a lot about the dash pass. I love the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: dash pass, but the offensive line doesn't have to do
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: anything on that play. We're rolling the quarterback out and
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: you're not doing nothing.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 8: To the point, could Josh be having some similar stuff
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: we're talking about with Drake where he's kind of got
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: ghosts in his head a little bit from the last
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 8: few performances and seeing how game plans got blown up
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: because of pass protection. Maybe he's a little bit overplaying
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 8: some of the recent games too.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: I hate to use this word because I know everybody
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: freaks out, but it's very conservative with the way that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: they're dropping back the pass.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: They're not.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: And I, and I wonder why, why that is like
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: only like he can really answer that question. But my
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: theory is that it's, they're not quite there yet on
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: the office.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: Especially when they're looking to get the ball downfield. You know,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: this is two games again, small sample size, but week one,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: how did they try to get the ball downfield once
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: flea flicker, you know, week two, Evan has talked about
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: that past the dash pass. That doesn't really require a
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: lot of, you know, pass protection because Drake is buying
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: routes and Drake is buying. So maybe they just don't
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: have the confidence right now that they'll have the time
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: to have those late developing routes.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, and to be fair, like the deuces point, they,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: they ran a lot of five man pass pro in
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: the super bowl and got demolished. So like when you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: know that that's in the back of your head and
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: you're playing the exact same team seven months later, like
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: you're not going to just call the game the exact
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: same way.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: And is it, is it still geared towards Drake too
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 8: of like, I got to get this kid just comfortable
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: in the pocket. Like, let's just make sure, that he
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 8: gets his clock back, and then maybe we can start
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 8: to expand.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: Evan was talking about the DK-Gonzo matchup just before. Ethan
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: in LA wants to know, can Evan explain why PFF
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: had the battle between DK and Gonzo a wash or
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: a small victory for DK?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this was going around.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: The ball knowers were talking about this?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I've said this a million
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: times about PFF. The grades are not... where the good
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: stuff is with pff the grades are the bad part
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: about pff uh but that aside it's kind of i
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: think what paul was talking about he did drop two
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: passes and one of them was on third down that
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: if he catches the ball it's going to be a
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: first down now i'm not telling you that that means
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: that he won the matchup no certainly not i was
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: one to match yeah but if he catches those two
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: passes then obviously the box score looks a lot different
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: and from the opposite side like gonzalez was beat On
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: those two points.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: And there were a couple of times that he wasn't
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: targeted that I think Rodgers got killed. That maybe if
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: he had time, may have been opportunities to throw the
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: ball to him too. I don't, you know, whatever, Gonzalez
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: won the matchup, but like, whatever, is that, does that
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: strictly how it goes?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Like, if.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Metcalf's grade is higher than Gonzalez's grade. You would consider
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: that he won. No, I, but I think the whole,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: cause you're graded on the whole game, not just right.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: The whole premise of PFF is to look beyond the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: box score, right? So like the box score, it tells
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: you that Gonzalez gave up one catch for nine yards
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: to DK Metcalf. But if DK Metcalf doesn't drop two passes,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: then let's just say he dropped three. So he has
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: four for 50. I would still say Gonzalez won the matchup.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: 100%.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? I'm just telling you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: why the grades might have been a little bit more even.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to defend it. The question was asked.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: But I think you're also grading, and I don't want
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: to defend PFF because I don't really believe in their
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: grades or the people that are doing the grading. I
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: don't think they know always what they're watching. But aren't
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: you graded on the whole game? So like Evan just said,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: he had like one catch for nine yards, whatever it was. Well,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: there were a lot of other plays in the game
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: that maybe Metcalf wasn't on Gonzalez and he got open.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying he had a bad grade in
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, the grades, like I said this a
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: million times, like I find the value of PFF to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: be in their charting data, like snap counts, where guys
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: are playing in the offense or defense.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: Stuff that's just a fact.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Does this guy line up over the left side of
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: the offensive line or the right side of the offensive line?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: Does this guy line up in the slot or on
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: the outside?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Because like for somebody that covers the Patriots, like I'm
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: starting to study up on the Jaguars. Like where does
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Josh Heinz Allen line up? Does he line up over
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: the left tackle or the right tackle? I can go
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: to PFF and I can find out he lines up
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: over the left tackle in two seconds. So that's where
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: the value, like if you get, don't pay attention to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: the grades.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 8: No, but the problem is, is that people who don't
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: really study it, they go to those grades, they take
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 8: them as fact. Then, you know, and, Using Will Campbell
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 8: as an example, I think Will Campbell's been pretty solid,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 8: but you watch the game, you know that he had
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: a lot of help in that game. It wasn't a
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 8: lot of one-on-one pass blocking. Meanwhile, somebody's going to take
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 8: his PFF grade and be like, we've got a superstar
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: left tackle coming when it's like, this is team defense.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: The offensive line in general, they've surrendered some pressure here
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: in these games.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Jared Wilson?
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: I just, I was really surprised yesterday when Vrabel came
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 8: out and just said that.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever heard that before in
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: a press conference.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: Didn't play well.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Didn't play, didn't play.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I had him with four pressures. Keanu Benton
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: beat him three times with the same move, the same
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: swim move three times in the game. I mean, the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: stunts with Van Roten, like how many reps have they
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: gotten next to each other?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: It's new.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: It's, you know, okay, I'll give some grace there. With that,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: the one positive I would say about Wilson, the second-level
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: blocks are really, really good.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: When he gets on the move and somebody's smaller.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: And Vrabel did mention those.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like when he gets up to the linebackers and
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: he gets into some space, you know, he had a
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: really good block on Henderson's touchdown run, too, where he
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: cleans out the linebacker. I did that a couple of
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: times in this game. Like those are impressive blocks. Like
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: those are the ones that nerds like me clip and
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: post on Twitter. And I like, look at Jared Wilson
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: blocking 10 yards down the field. But the pass protection was,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: was shaking. He's usually pretty okay in pass protection, but
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: this one was not one of his best.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Boston cream says, Hey Mike, As the defensive guy on
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: the panel and as a guy who only had 40,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: I think, penalty minutes in 98 games at one of
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: the highest levels in college hockey.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: He looked that up.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about the Patriots' defensive penalties thus far?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: Stalker.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Nothing's really bumpy. It's too far. They've been a lot. No,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I think he's saying, aren't you happy with it?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of out of nowhere.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: They had one on third down that gave them a
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: first down the other day, a pass interference or a
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: defensive hold.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: Kevin Bayard.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: But I can't remember too many others.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bayard got a little handsy.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty encouraged overall, you know, by the defense.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: I mean, just, you know, being so concerned about the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 8: edge position and just, you know, being encouraged, what we've
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: seen from Elijah Ponder being encouraged, you know, with Gabe
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 8: Ackes as he's gotten up to speed.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: I'm more encouraged by Zach Kaur.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Zach Kaur, that's great, too. Because dialing it up.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: Well, he did it last year, and you're like, But
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: isn't the same thing true that we just said about offense?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Like teams said, well, we can't make, we got to
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: make sure we don't get beat by these different packages
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: that they're putting together to get pressure. Well, I don't
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: know if they're all the same, if they're different, but
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: Zach core's pressure packages are working just like they did
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs last year.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: So I think that there, I saw one stat that
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: they're like the fourth highest blitz rate.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Dexter had him at six, maybe after Monday night football
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: had changed. but they're up over 40% blitz rate, and
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: they're also.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: And it's working.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're about 50% pressure rate when they blitz. So
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: the blitzes are also getting home, and a lot of
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: it is man blitzing, obviously, with man coverage behind it.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: Every once in a while, they'll run, like, a tricky
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: two or a cover two or something like that behind
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: it just as a changeup. But for the most part,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: it's Gonzalez on the best receiver, and we're blitzing. And
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: those two linebackers, man, they blitz, like... Spillane and Ellis
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: are just tremendous blitzers, both of them.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: And I think it's going to be interesting. Again, we'll
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: move ahead. This is usually our Wednesday stuff. I think
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: they're going to stay aggressive, and I think you're going
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: to keep seeing Zach Kord do these things. Does it put,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: as Ev likes to say, does it put Trevor Lawrence
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: in a blender, or does Trevor Lawrence say, I've been
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: around long enough. I'm still.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: You know, athletic enough to beat this stuff. And I
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: have some receivers. I don't think it's the greatest set
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: of receivers, but it's a pretty good set of receivers.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: So is this offense better suited to handle it than
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: a 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers and a backup quarterback?
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you saw a lot of pressure last
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: week from Denver, especially with Zach Allen.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought he still played okay.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: Their defensive line kind of took over the game.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 8: Know, the pregnant is their left guard. Who's I mean, good,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 8: aggressive young guy, rookie.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: That's the big thing. He left guards.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: Coming out of Jackson. There's a big question marks with
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: their protection.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: That's what, cause I, you know, it was like, how
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: do they only score 13 points in this game? And
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: that was why, I mean, the Broncos defensive line kind
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: of took over the game and Nito.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: They, they had a good game and, um, I thought
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: Lawrence made a couple of plays under pressure. Uh, I
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: don't think it, you know, he's pretty athletic. He's pretty
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: strong dude in the pocket. I thought he made a
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: couple of them, but, uh, the pressure was noticeable and
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: pregnant was like, was the guy I was like, let's
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: get Barmore and Williams on this dude.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: Like that is the guy you're, you're circling.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: So, uh, but they Jacksonville is, you know, it's Liam Cohn,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: it's a Sean McVay, type stuff. If the West coast
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: offense did, it's all about early downs with a team
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: like Jacksonville. Like if you get them into drop back,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: then you're, I like the Patriots chances. Like you were
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: talking about the blitzes and stuff like that, but they're
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: a good run game, really well-designed run game, good play
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: action passes off the run game. If you got get
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: caught in that first and second down loop where you
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: just can't get them into third and pass, like that's
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: when they stay ahead of the chains and that's when
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: they kill you.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: Chuckie's in Wisconsin. What's up, Chuckie?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Chuck and Cheese.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 12: How are you doing?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 12: Yeah, hey, a lot of things on my mind, but
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I think we'll go with Paul's comment
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 12: a few minutes ago about what's different this year.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 12: I think, Paul, I can sum it up with the
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 12: word expectations.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's changed. That's absolutely changed.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 12: But most importantly, the thing that's really been weighing on
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 12: me since Sunday is the Joey Porter Jr., that we
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 12: were made aware of with the Steelers coming to town.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 12: Drake Mays got a lot on the line, like $ 70
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 12: million worth a lot on the line. Is there any
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 12: chance that he's beginning to big game hunt more to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 12: get it in his head that he has to be
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 12: the best quarterback to get that salary?
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: I can't rule it out.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: I think the first point about expectations and pressure, like,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: not pressure on him physically, like pressure, pressure, I think is.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: Valid.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: Valid.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: All valid.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: And I think our expectations and our bar has risen
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: for him because we know how good he can be.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 8: I guess the first place for me I look at
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: is the recent history and, you know, looking like it's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 8: a tonnage thing. The tough performances have kind of built
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: on him. I do think it's valid to think about
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: looking forward.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: I hope he isn't. I just think that's a bad
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: way to go into the season.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's what it is.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't really... I just... To me, it's more.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: He's had some tough matchup after tough matchup, and it's
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: kind of in the blender right now.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: But there's no doubt one of the things that's changed
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: is expectations.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: Add it to the list.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: Brayden in Jacksonville. What's up, Brayden?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Hey, how y'all doing?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: Oh, boy.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: And the countdown.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Ten, nine. The eagle has landed. All right.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 19: I'm a big Jaguars fan.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 13: And I was, you know, I watched the Patriots and
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 13: the Steelers game on Sunday and there was a big
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 13: stack that they got on Rogers. And I was wondering,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 13: what was your thoughts on that play?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: It's a big play. Christian Ellis.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: I mean, big hit kind of stuff you got to
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 8: do to Aaron Rogers to get him out of his game.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, one of the hardest hits that you'll see
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: in this day and age. In the NFL.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: And it was clean as a whistle.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: They didn't sort out the blitz correctly. The left tackle
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: should have bumped out to Ellis. They actually had the numbers.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: They were sliding the line that way and they should
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  Speaker 3: have been able to block it. So Rodgers isn't expecting
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  Speaker 3: Ellis to come free because he thinks that they have
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  Speaker 3: the numbers sliding the line that direction.
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  Speaker 4: And he told you he didn't even get a heads up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he got blindsided was because he's standing in
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  Speaker 3: the pocket thinking I got four going that way and
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  Speaker 3: the four didn't go that way. And so Ellis was
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  Speaker 3: a free runner to the quarterback. I would have liked
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  Speaker 3: to have seen them land on the ball instead of
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  Speaker 3: trying to scoop it and score it.
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  Speaker 4: That's a touchdown opportunity. Take it.
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  Speaker 13: They should have just fell on the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed.
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  Speaker 13: Like, just fell on the ball.
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  Speaker 3: After the third guy that kicked the can down the road,
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  Speaker 3: I would have liked to have just gotten the ball.
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  Speaker 7: At that point.
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  Speaker 2: They play with their inside linebackers a lot, though, Braden.
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  Speaker 8: They're going to be trying to get to Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 8: this week with those guys, Spillane and Ellis.
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  Speaker 13: I'm afraid, you know, I'm afraid week three, you know,
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  Speaker 13: the Jaguars, you know, we got the Eagles, we got
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  Speaker 13: the Texans in London. I'm worried about that, but I
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  Speaker 13: know the Patriots are, you know... They got Drake May,
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  Speaker 13: he's young, but I kind of, you know, what's your
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 13: thoughts on him, you know, going to the Super Bowl and,
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  Speaker 13: you know, very talented quarterback, but he didn't come up,
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  Speaker 13: you know, good against the Seahawks. Do you think he's,
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  Speaker 13: you know, got a lot of pressure on him to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 13: try to overplay and, you know, not be comfortable? Do
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 13: you think he's got a lot of, like, insecurities that
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 13: he's going to force things against Jacksonville?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we're thinking about benching him, actually. He hasn't been
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 8: up to par. No, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think these two quarterbacks are not– all that different. Like,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: I think with Trevor Lawrence, when Trevor Lawrence is on,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 5: Is really, really good. And then he has these.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: decisions, these ruts, uh, that you're just like, what are we,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: what are we doing here? But like, when you look
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: at him, he obviously looks the part of a franchise
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: quarterback and there's stretches where he looks like a franchise quarterback,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: but there's always like that little bit extra that you
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: just leave you wanting more. And I was always worried
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: with Drake May going all the way back to, uh,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: when they drafted him, was he going to be more
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, like that sort of guy, uh,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: and less Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And that was like kind of always my number one
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: concern was that he was going to, there's always going
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: to be that like, yeah, he's good. And he passes
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  Speaker 3: the eye test, but there could be a little bit
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: more there. And that's kind of how I feel about Trevor.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Well, listen, it's been fun. We're going to so much fun.
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