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AEW ALL IN Fallout | Looking Ahead to All Out · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for.
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  Speaker 2: Agnition with the aw Fan podcast team. But let's talk
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit about all In. Our overall impressions of
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: all In. This was a good show. I mean, there's
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: no other way to put it. It was a good show.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: I think it exceeded my personal expectations. If I'm being
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: honest with it. I didn't have bad expectations. Don't get
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: me wrong. I just think that it exceeded my expectations.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: The thing that kind of caught me a little off
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: guard is when Jamie Hater appeared in zero Hour.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of understand why he did that.
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  Speaker 2: But I kind of don't because if she had come
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: out in zero hour and said I'm going to fight
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: you during the show, then that may have enticed people
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: to buy the show the actual pay per view, But
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: her coming out in zero hour and then doing nothing
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  Speaker 2: at all afterward, it kind of seemed like a wasted
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  Speaker 2: a wasted return. I don't know how to put it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's just my one of my impressions. We'll keep
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  Speaker 2: going as long as we want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Who else has something they have to they that caught
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  Speaker 2: their eyes? Be good bad, strange whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I think the the arrangement of the matches blacked this
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: time great show. I agree with you, it was one
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  Speaker 3: of the better shows of the year so far.
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  Speaker 1: But the women's.
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: Matches should have been switched. There's no way in hell
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  Speaker 3: you put Mercedes Monette in them after the women's title.
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  Speaker 3: That match was the title. That match should have been
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: the biggest match on the card. I know we all
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  Speaker 3: thought throughout the run up to it that it should
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  Speaker 3: have been the main event, but it was the second
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: match in the night that made no sense to me.
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: And I know you're not real big on the hook match,
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: but the best part of that match for me was
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  Speaker 3: the Taz mission. It was awesome to see Taz do
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: something other than just talk on the mic.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, anybody else have an impression of all in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely the show exceeded my expectations. I know
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  Speaker 4: I'd made the comment before comparing it to last year
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  Speaker 4: with Adam Cole and MJF. I thought that build was
• 2:34
  Speaker 4: a lot better, but the main event caught me completely
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  Speaker 4: off guard. It was everything it needed to be a more.
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  Speaker 4: There was great wrestling, there was great storytelling, there was
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  Speaker 4: great personality, just the main event blew me away for
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  Speaker 4: aw's biggest show of the year. It hit right.
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  Speaker 2: On one of the things long and I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get your your thoughts on this. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that I read as a negative the main event is
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: that Brian Danielson took a bunch of finishers and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem to phase him, you know, in the way
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  Speaker 2: that it should have. I guess what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will give AW the credit. Normally there they
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  Speaker 4: can be bad with the finisher, kickout or finish her
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  Speaker 4: no cells. But I feel like since they saved it
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  Speaker 4: mainly for the main event. We did get some in
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  Speaker 4: will Osbury and MJF, but mainly in the main event,
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  Speaker 4: it worked within the story like these are the two
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  Speaker 4: top guys. If there's somebody who's strong enough to will
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  Speaker 4: his way out of a house call straight to the head,
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  Speaker 4: it's Brian Daniels. Said what he does that his kids
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  Speaker 4: are watching right there right.
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  Speaker 3: So wait a minute. So they complained that Danielson kicked
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  Speaker 3: out of numerous finishers, when that's how Swerve has won
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  Speaker 3: every match he's been in since he became champion. Does
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  Speaker 3: that not make any sense?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: But when you look at it from a point of view,
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: when you look at it from a point of view,
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people that had not watched AW
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: pay per views were likely watching this one. I saw
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  Speaker 2: a lot of posts, you know, on Reddit that said,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't watched any AW pay per views, but I
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  Speaker 2: did like this and I.
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  Speaker 1: Thought it was good.
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  Speaker 2: But there are a few people that didn't make a
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  Speaker 2: comment about it. So you're right in your assessment. There something.
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  Speaker 2: But the I think that we have to realize they're
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  Speaker 2: take into consideration is that maybe not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people who have seen a lot of swarve matches that
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  Speaker 2: made those comments.
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  Speaker 1: Who else wants?
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  Speaker 2: Who else has an impression of all in.
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  Speaker 5: All good and go? If I can't, I want to
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  Speaker 5: really talk. Not really bad. Okay, So I was on
• 5:01
  Speaker 5: the chat for the Casino Gauntlet and people were picking
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  Speaker 5: that apart for the stupidest reasons. I enjoyed the hell
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  Speaker 5: out of that match. It hyped me up. I was glued.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's better than the Royal Rumble in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: But it was good.
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  Speaker 5: But people want to nitpicked Nigel. Why was Nigel in it? Well,
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  Speaker 5: Nigel was in it because It was fun and that's
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  Speaker 5: what wrestling should be. It was a good match. The
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  Speaker 5: ending was kind of weird, but it worked out in
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  Speaker 5: the end. So that's my piece.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, MK.
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  Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the match for the wrestling more predominantly
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: than you enjoyed the match for the entrances and the
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: circumstance of people coming to the ring and not knowing
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  Speaker 2: you was going to be next You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the surprise factor of the of the show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a surprise factor. I think there were
• 5:59
  Speaker 5: some good parts the wrestling, like Nigel and Zach Favor
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  Speaker 5: Junior tying up and doing their thing was kind of cool.
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  Speaker 5: There are bits and pieces that were good, but overall
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  Speaker 5: it was a fun environment that kept me guessing and
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  Speaker 5: kept me entertaining. Because usually we're during a royal rumbol,
• 6:19
  Speaker 5: it has low spots. But I think Tony has found
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  Speaker 5: a creation of his own that works for him and
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  Speaker 5: people like it.
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  Speaker 1: Not. Did you have anything that you wanted to say
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: about all in?
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  Speaker 6: Overall, I liked all in. I liked all of the matches.
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  Speaker 6: I have to agree with I think it was sudden
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  Speaker 6: that it seemed a little bit out of Order, But
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  Speaker 6: I think that it was like that, like you were saying,
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  Speaker 6: Kelson for the people that maybe were watching for the
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  Speaker 6: first time or the casual fans, and also to make
• 7:05
  Speaker 6: things not so predictable for those of us that maybe
• 7:09
  Speaker 6: watch every week, to keep us on the edge of
• 7:12
  Speaker 6: our seats and guessing. And there was a point during
• 7:17
  Speaker 6: Swerve and Danielsen's match where I thought about Sutton because
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  Speaker 6: Swerve was laughing off Danielson's hits, and it just it
• 7:28
  Speaker 6: got to me and made me chuckle because I know
• 7:31
  Speaker 6: that was a point that Sutton had brought up that
• 7:33
  Speaker 6: he was tired of seeing Swerve do that. Yes, one
• 7:39
  Speaker 6: of the things that I liked during the Gauntlet match
• 7:43
  Speaker 6: was seeing Dark Order out there and Evil Uno keeping
• 7:47
  Speaker 6: tribute to Brodie Lee, right. I thought that for a
• 7:57
  Speaker 6: moment there when Orange Cassidy kind of dropped from the sky,
• 8:02
  Speaker 6: that this was it. This was finally Dark Orange Cassidy
• 8:08
  Speaker 6: or who I've been calling Blood Orange, and he was
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  Speaker 6: gonna go for it and go all in and really
• 8:16
  Speaker 6: lose his mind. And of course he gets out there
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  Speaker 6: and does that damn roll up once again that I
• 8:24
  Speaker 6: am really tired of seeing and I wish he would
• 8:28
  Speaker 6: stop it and I can't take it anymore. And honestly,
• 8:35
  Speaker 6: I thought things overall were gonna be a little more
• 8:38
  Speaker 6: violent than they were. And that's kind of one of
• 8:43
  Speaker 6: the things that I missed a little bit, was I
• 8:46
  Speaker 6: think that things didn't get quite as violent as they
• 8:51
  Speaker 6: usually do, even between Darby and Jack Perry, and I
• 8:59
  Speaker 6: didn't maybe I missed it during their match, but it
• 9:03
  Speaker 6: didn't seem like anybody called out the fact that when
• 9:07
  Speaker 6: they threw that glass down, that glass was the glass
• 9:12
  Speaker 6: from the windshield from last year, or at least it
• 9:16
  Speaker 6: was supposed to be, and it okay, nobody pointed that out,
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  Speaker 6: and I thought that that was kind of a big
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  Speaker 6: throwback to what happened, like talking about it without talking
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  Speaker 6: about it, and you know, so that's my that's what
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  Speaker 6: I took from it.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit, like a
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  Speaker 2: subliminal things that happened that I noticed. And of course
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I'm weird, so I noticed the silly stuff. A lot
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: of people noticed it too, but I wanted to point
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  Speaker 2: it at that pointed out because I even made a
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  Speaker 2: post on the aw fat Up subread it about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I just wanted to talk about a few things
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  Speaker 2: that happened during the show that I thought were.
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  Speaker 1: Silly, unusual, or just neat.
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: For example, this was the first time I ever saw
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: the House of Black walk to the ring because it
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: usually goes dark. We saw their entire entrance because their
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: entrance was early in the show. Another thing that happened,
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: and I thought this was kind of funny, was when
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy was announced.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: The pyro for him was this.
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  Speaker 2: One little pathetic firecracker that they showed at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the stadium.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing I wanted to point out was that streamer guy,
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: the guy that was in charge of the streamers during
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: the mgf Osprey match. He's probably fired, so unfortunate, and
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just and I did hear that
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  Speaker 2: the Darby Allen Jack Perry match was cut short because
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: the show was going a little long and there's a
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: ten o'clock erpew for I guesst Noy's ordinance or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, so they had to cut that match short.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think they think the issues they're having in England
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: right now, there's been a lot of violence lately, so
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  Speaker 3: that might have been and also a reason why it
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  Speaker 3: was cut short to your point that they were had.
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  Speaker 2: A curfew, okay, and then you know, is there anything
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  Speaker 2: else that kind of stood out for you guys that
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  Speaker 2: you noticed that just seemed interesting.
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: I did at one moment just kind of chuckle about
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: the Casino Gauntlet and seeing like Roderick Strong and Kyle
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: O'Reilly and Nigel McGinnis, and it's just like I'm watching
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: Ring of Honor from two thousand and nine again.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or you can even say, when it comes to
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: Roderick Strong, words Cassidy, Kyle O'Reilly, Mark Briscoe, you're watching
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: every episode of Dynamite, Rampage and Collision from the last
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: six months. And guess who's on tomorrow night as well?
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  Speaker 2: You know those guys.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to getting to that and I have.
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  Speaker 2: Something to say about that too. So, so we had
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: some title changes or maybe not even changes, because I
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: like the Trios title was not it was vacated basically,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: so that was one but the previous winners didn't win,
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  Speaker 2: so I guess you could call it a title change.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Ed will Osprey winning the Now and International Championship, So
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: you we did have quite a number of things going on.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: I guess is the best way to put it. But
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: now you have to look at it as far as Okay,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: so now all in is over, You've got the all
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Out card coming up. Plus you're you're going to have
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: to start building stories. You know, who is Mariah May
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: now going to battle? Who is Brian Danielson now going
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: to battle? You know, as far as we know that,
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: like Darby Allen has a title shot and we know
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: that Christian Cage has a title shot, are those going
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: to be long term feuds or is there going to
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: be story built around it? Or is it just going
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: to be matches? You know, Mariah May, you know we
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: still have Mercedes Bonet with the belt? What's next for
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: will Osprey? The only thing that we know is will
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Osprey at all Out. It has already been announced that
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: will Osprey is going to have a match against Pack
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: at All Out. But what what will you guys like
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: to see? As far as story, not necessarily for championships,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: but just story.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: I really think that Christian versus Damnson doesn't need to
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: be long. I think Christian comes out.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I tell you died on us, your audio went completely.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody else has something to say?
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: I agree. I think that because they've made it a
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: point to say that Christian can use his title shot
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: at any time, So I think he's going to hold
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  Speaker 4: on to that until Danielson has a for sure title
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: match and kind of do the money in the bank thing.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be a long title
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  Speaker 4: run or any or a long program or anything like that,
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: but I would like to see Jack Perry getting an
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: actual feud for the TNT title and and be on
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Dynamite and be kind of featured.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think the return of the Grizzled Young Vets
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: is going to hopefully put some life into the tag
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: team division. I think that could be a big thing
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: that they could be working to.
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  Speaker 2: Try to do.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Now, Mariah May, I don't know who she had. I mean,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: it's end up it's gonna end up being her versus
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: probably either Nina shere Kawa or the returning I can't
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: think of her name right now. My mind just went blank.
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  Speaker 3: That could be one of the things that they do
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: with Danielson. I'm it's gonna depend on what he says
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night. I really don't want to say much on
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: what I think is gonna happen with the main title,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: because I don't know, you know, whether he's gonna he
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: could come out tomorrow night and say I'm done. I
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: gotta get my neck fixed and I can't wrestle anymore
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: and just re relinquish the title. So I guess tomorrow
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: night will determine more what's gonna happen for me in
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: the future.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Well, that's true, Matt, did you have anything.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: I was like to see Hangman do a little bit more,
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: maybe roll over some more people with his carry on,
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: But my eyes honestly are on Russel Dream because they're
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: coming to where I am. So I'm I'm hoping that
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  Speaker 6: somehow they're going to swerve this dare I say, into
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: a swerve Hangman match. I don't know how, but that's
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: one of the things that I'm I'm really hoping for.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: And I'm looking forward to seeing Osprey and Pack and
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: I want to see what the young bucks or our
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: wonderful EVPs are going to do, I you know, And
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: there were some twists there, like I'm surprised that Luchsaurus
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: did what he did. I was looking for him to
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: turn on Christian and I want to know where they're
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: going with that with this this whole thing with him
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: and Christian, So I don't know women's division all around,
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  Speaker 6: So I just want to see where things are going
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: to go.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the one thing that we're definitely going
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to see is MGF and Daniel Garcia, and I like
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that because it gets FJF and Daniel Garcia in a
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: feud that doesn't involve a belt, and I like to
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: see Tony Kahan do more of that. I'd like to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: see Tony Khan do more of that because not every
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: feud has to be for a title.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I think that's a great point and I really do
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: agree with that, and I think having a couple of
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: those feuds will help with the fielding that there's too
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: many titles because every feud is for a title. Now
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: at least get some variety. So definitely a good point.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'd actually like to see Mina Shirakala and Tony Storm
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: in a feud, even though Tony Storm has already defeated
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Mina Shirakala, even if it's a tag team. Even if
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Mina Shirikala tag teamed with Mariah may Say and Reform
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Rose Gold, Tony Storm could get.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Her own partner.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Uh and I dare say it, what about getting Thunderstorm
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: back together.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: That's a very interesting idea.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So I thought, again, it doesn't mean that I want
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to see a feud bereft of titles, but I'd like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to see some feuds or stories built around non title matches,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And with with as many people as
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: they have on the roster, you don't have enough title
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to do that. To have nothing but titles and fuse
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: for titles, you have to start setting up some fuse
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: outside of that. You know. The one thing I kind
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: of find would be a great story in the heavyweight
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: title championship would be a he hasn't done it yet,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: but would be a Christian cashing in his chance at
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the title and Lucasaurus taking it from him winning the
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: title just for the here. It would be cool to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: see happen.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, I mean, I mean again, it's weird because
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: we've got all out coming on. So I have a
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: feeling that we're going to see Giadaparazzo and thunder Rosa
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and have their what their Walter thirteenth batch. Now we're
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: definitely going to see Roderick Strong and Conglomeration and all that,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: because God forbid we we have a show without them.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But you know who's Mercedes Monette good at Battle Against?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have no the only how do I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: put this, The only story that she's had over the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: last several months as he's been here, was briefly with
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It looked like it was going to be Mercedes Monet
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and Julia Harp, but then Julia got injured, so Willow
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Nightingale had to step in. Is if Julia Hart comes back,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: maybe that's what we get for All Out, But I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: don't kind of don't want to see that for All
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Out because I don't think there's enough time to build
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the story there, and it's certainly not enough time for
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Julia to get her wrestling legs back under her either.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I want to see a good match with Mercedes Monette,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: not something that's thrown together. I wouldn't mind if Mercedes
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Monet did not defend the title at All Out. I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: wouldn't mind if Mercedes Mode and Camille were tag team
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: partners at All Out and feuded against somebody else.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: What would be kind of nice for All Out would
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: be if none of the titles were actually on the line,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: except for we know that the other only match we
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: know about is the Statlander versus for the.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: The what is.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only other match we know for sure
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: for al Out. We don't know the stipulation for it yet.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: But is it?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But is it? Is it? Is it a CMLL title match?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, ye believe it is.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: World title match up?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that Will is going to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: lose hopefully, but uh, you know, it would be kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: of nice to see people who didn't participate in all
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: in just have some matches, some good, good matches, because again,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: this is the second year in a row. It's too
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: close together. At least we got an extra week this
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: year year, But this is this is kind of a
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: ridiculous way to do a pay per view two weeks
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: after your big pay per view.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: With no build up to it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna get two weeks, that's it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So does anybody else any else have any ideas for
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: something for the All Out card that they'd like to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: suggest or even see.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, maybe a tag team number one contenders matched,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Like if we're assuming that the acclaimed an FTR and
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: knocked down the list, we get like Top Flight and
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Private Party or some other team, the Iron Savages, someone
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: new when the tag team division. I think that could
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: be a good match at all out.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, look, the problem with that is,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to come off as pompous here,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna say it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna buy a pay per view to see
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the Iron Savages?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: That is a fair fact.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It depends.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: It depend on if they put enough effort into it
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: to make it worth you. If you put Private Party
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: and Iron Savages in the Grizzled Young Vets and maybe
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: one or two other good, good young tag teams in it,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you ain't making a very good match. It could be
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: worth it. It just depends on who.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's the thing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the Grizzled Young Vets for a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: second here. Okay, who are they? Most people in aw
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: fan hub don't know. Uh, a lot of people don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: know who they are. It's as simple as that huge mistake.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Grizzledjung Vets are not going to sell pay per viewer
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I don't know what your opinion is,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to pay to see Grizzled Young Vets.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I pay to see somebody else for sure. Don't really
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: give a damn about the Grizzled Young Vets. They haven't
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: done anything.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I agree, and I think this goes I don't know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: We kind of talked about all out, But do you guys,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: are you on the camp that you believe that was
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the spot for the guns. They were supposed to show
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: up and come out after the match and we're gonna
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: have the guns and FTR and the Bucks all together,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: And they just went and with the Grizzled Young Bets
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: because the guns weren't available.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I think they did it that way because they're trying
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to introduce a new team. Hell, we could have Bobby
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Lashly and those guys show up tomorrow night and add
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: a new tag team that could be involved. You know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that's the problem with doing this. That's the biggest problem
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I have with them right now is we have way
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: too much up in the air for such a short
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: turnaround to the next pay per view. I still think
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: they should move this to the end of the month
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and make it the end of September instead of the
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: beginning of September, so that you have more time to
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: build up because you're coming off with something that ended
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: some feuse and ended some stories and now you have
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: nothing to build one.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Well, don't forget they did already set up Darby Allen
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: for Grand Slam, which is next month. Uh. And then
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you do have Christian Cage with a title shot, a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: guaranteed title shot.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: How many people actually think Christian Cage is gonna win
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the world title?
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: You know, we think Christian Cage won't do a lot,
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: and he keeps doing a lot.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Well, he keeps doing, but I don't know, I just
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: don't see Christian Cage holding the world title.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I will say I never would have thought I would
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: say TNT Champion Christian Cage.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm That's what I mean.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: He keeps doing a lot of things that nobody thinks
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: he's gonna do, so I would not say never.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeh.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: What I would play up here is, Look, Brian Danielson
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and Christian Cage did have a match in October twenty
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: twenty three for the T and T title, which at
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the time was held by Christian Cage. It was a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: great match that Brian Danielson was on the verge of winning,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but then Big Bill, who at the time was won
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: half of the the aw Tag Team Champions with Ricky Starks.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Big Bill came out and caused a distraction which allowed
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Ricky Starks to literally dive into the ring in one
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: fell swoop hit Brian Danielson across the head and knocked
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: him out, and Christian Cage got the win. So it
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: was a Christian Cage victory, but it wasn't a clean victory,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and I think that they need to play up that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: angle where Brian Danielson is pissed off at Christian Cage
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: for that and build a story around that particular ular thing.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I want to go ahead and talk about Dynamite because
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this is an interesting little show, and I want to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: specifically talk about the match that I'm dreading and looking
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: forward to, honestly because of something that actually Sutton said earlier,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and I am talking about the eight man All Star
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Tag team match where on one side you've got the conglobration.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: The word of the day is overused against the Learning
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Tree and Rodert Strong for whatever reason. When this match
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: was announced, it got a lot of pushback on Twitter,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: which actually made Tony Kahn respond to it he said,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: trust me, guys. Basically, I don't know what he said,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: but he's like, fruss be guys, I know what I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: doing here. You're not going to be disappointed when you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: have to legitimize your own booking.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Like that. You know it's shit booking.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I think a lot more people than just me are
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: sick and tired to see in the same shit every
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: week with these same guys.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Come on seriously.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And what I meant when I said that, what else
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Sutton said was you brought up the Hurt Syndicate, which
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is what they're called, Bobby Lapsley, MVP Centric, Alexander whomever.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is the point where they come out and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: they get involved in match. Maybe this is the point
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: because because Tony Kahn is alluding to something there, He's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: alluding to, Okay, this isn't just going to be another
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: one of these mats, these boring as ship matches that
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: he puts on every goddamn week. We see Roderick Strong,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and we see Orange Cassidy and we see Kyle O'Reilly.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It's getting all it's it's not getting old, it's ben old.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry it has.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: You have you this.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Roll ups, Wait a minute.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Hold on, now you see who the opponents are against
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the conglomeration. Correct, it's it's the Learning Tree and Roderick
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Strong versus the Conglomeration. What's the match? At the end
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: of the hook match, big Bill got hit by Jericho.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: This could be the end of the Learning Tree tomorrow night.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: There could be the mask gets started, they start going
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: at it, and then all of a sudden, Big Bill
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and the Bad Apple turn on your Ericho and they
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: end Jericho's Learning Tree, which could be a big deal.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be a lot of people want
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: to see that go. So that could be what happens
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what are you gonna do about Roderick?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, uh, Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly and Orange Cassidy.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Why are we going to end that?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Well, hopefully that's I mean, they're gonna use those guys
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: together for a while. But like I've said before about
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Roderick Strong and the Kingdom, they need to go to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Roh and stay there. They don't belong in eat ae W.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: They're not strong enough to carry aw anymore. They weren't.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: They were a joke when they were the They had
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the titles and they're just filler now. I mean, seriously,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: they if they get rid of Roderick Strong, you won't
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: have as much with the conglomeration because it seems that
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: the he's the only thing they're used for.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Well I'm just saying is that, And I don't know
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: if you agree with me, but when you look at
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the conglomeration, you look at undisputed Kingdom Ardie necessary Kingdom
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: as I call it, it's it's basically I mean, this
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: is like the seventy third match that they've had, you know, together,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you, point what is the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: point this match?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: It's like we've said all along. You know, you have
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: such a huge loster. Using the same guys week in
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: and week out for every show makes no sense, absolutely
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: no sense. You have them once a week, once a month.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: You get rotating. Tony needs to start rotating his usage
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: of people, because there are people we haven't seen in ages.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: When I started, oh sorry, no good oh. When I
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: started that conversation, I asked a question on Reddit about
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: that seeing other people. Especially leading up to the pay
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: per view, a lot of people were of the mind
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: that a w still had to sell tickets and you
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: weren't going to sell tickets by putting people who didn't
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: have big names into matches. So it seems kind of
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: like a catch twenty two. Either you put these big
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: names out there every week, or I guess Tony Kahan
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: and everybody else who runs the show is worried that
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: they won't fill the seat.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Well that okay, Look, I'm ben a counteract that I'm
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: an a counter come up with a counterpoint to that
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: aw has not been filling the seats and the why
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: let me put it this way, I'm a big aaw fan.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm the host of the aw fan up subreddit. You know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'm co founder of the subreddit, am the host of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the podcast. I I absolutely do not see Roderick Strong,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Kyle O'Reilly, Orange, Cassidy, Chris Jericho as a selling point
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to buy it for me to buy a ticket.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the rest of you feel.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: But if I'm looking at a car and I'm like, oh,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: they're there again, so I mean, I'm.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Sorry, but I what could they possibly do in this
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: match other than a run in that somebody comes in
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: and cleaves clocks?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: You know, but if this.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Is a straight up match, what could they possibly do
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that would make this different for the last twenty five
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: times that we see them in the last twenty five weeks.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: The only thing, the only thing I was hoping for
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: during the pay per view was when Tyle O'Reilly ran in,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: was that he just kept on running. So if they
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: did something like that, if he just ran to the ring,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: ran through the ring and just kept going, and other
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: than that, I don't see it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: So you could return some with Joe tomorrow night. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: mean that's possible. Uh, there's a lot of possibility. But
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you're right, You're absolutely right, And and I disagree with
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that whole You have that big name stars on the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: on the pay per view. You just had the big
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: name stars on a pay per view two weeks later.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Having another star filled pay per view is too rushed.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of people that they've that have
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: been brought into this company that don't get used. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you will sell tickets, put it in a smaller venue,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: put it as a as a you know that. That's
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: part of the reason why Tony Kahn is having such
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: issues right now with that is because he uses the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: same people too much and he's not giving everybody the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: same amount of chance that he should. I just I
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: just think that that that that whole here, you have
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: to have the biggest stars on the pay per view
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to sell it. I don't buy that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I would much rather see I would much rather see
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Camille than Orange Cassidy at all. Out me too, you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I want to see somebody that has potential afforded the
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: opportunity to live up to upper potential. It's preposterous to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: me that we're seeing whole shows. I'm not even talking
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: pay per views. I'm talking dynamite collision rampage. We're having
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: fifteen minute blocks of every single show and every single
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: week that dedicated to the same guys.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Over and over.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And what's worse is they're doing the same thing over
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: and over. There's no or I can't really say no.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It's very rare that they're doing a match. How many
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: times we're going to see the conglomeration against the same entities.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're doing the same thing over and over
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: and over again. I use the term groundhog day, like
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the movie on dog Day with Bill Murray. When it
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: comes to this particular group, I feel like I'm stuck
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: in groundhog Day.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wwe repeat and rerun, re repeat and redo everything
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the same all the time, and then they wonder why
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: their numbers are down. They wonder why they're struggling to
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: do this, that and the other. And that's exactly what
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: happened to the WWE when they broke up the Shield.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: They started doing every match the same. Every time you
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: watch the show was the same. And we're starting to
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: get that into aw And I don't know if it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: just that Tony doesn't recognize it or the fact, like
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I've said before, where he plans things out so far
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: in advance, and he's proven over time that he's not
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: able to change real he's not able to move quick
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: on his feet sometimes, and that could be a part
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: of the problem too.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I think that the conglomeration, and by that I just
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I'm going to add Roddy to it because he's been
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: tenjenly attached to this group the whole time. I think
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: the main problem is that that is the feud, and
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: we're just getting a reshuffle of all the guys there.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: So we'll have Hologram who's part of the team one week,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: or we have the Beast Mortos who's on the heel
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: team this week. Or well, it's it's still this group
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: of guys that it seems like there's no direction for
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: so we're just going to cram them all together and
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: random order week after week after week after week after week.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And now, I mean you can hear us, we've all
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: kind of grown sick of it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like adding a different narrator to the same
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: story every week. Yes, way I could to explain it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just boring. So let's move on to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: something that's maybe a little bit more I'm kind of
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: excited about it. Is Ricochet and Kyle Fletcher making an
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: appearance on Dynamite with Ricochet's in ring Dynamite debut. This
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: is this could be interesting because Kyle Fletcher's buddies with
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Will Osprey. Ricochet is buddies with real will Osprey. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: although will Osprey is kind of played it up that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: he doesn't like Ricochet that much, but we'll see.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you excited to see Ricochet?
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Very excited to see Ricochet. I do have a spicy
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: prediction though, I think it uh Ricochet turns heel and
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: aligns himself with Don Kallas and they kick out Kyle Fletcher.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, very interesting. We'll have to. If that happens, we'll
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: get to give you props.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: We can't keep having everybody turn heel. They an't come in,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: they do his thing, don't adding, don't add him. He
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't need Don Kallas. There's no need for Don Kellis
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to have him.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think Don.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Callas is gonna have to kick out Kyle Fletcher. I
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: think that once once uh Osprey settles down, and if
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: anybody have any idea when Fletcher's partner's coming back, anybody heard.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Anything, I have not heard a word. I did look
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it up a few weeks ago, and it just there's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: nothing to be said about who was it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: There was somebody during the broadcast of the pay per
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: view that mentioned him but called him his former partner,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: So that kind of found a little odd because he's
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: just hurt. It's not like the team broke up. They
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: just he's been out. So if you hear that kind
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: of stuff, you know it's I think that Osprey's going
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: to I think that they're going to kick Fletcher out,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: but I think it's going to be of his own choice,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and he's going to join uh Osprey and then possibly
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: bring in Ricochet to add to the United.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Empire. Yeah, that's it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: There so many United I can't remember which one which,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen. Hopefully they
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: don't turn somebody else immediately into a heel. That's just
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: way too much.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I did make a graphic last week where I had Ricochet,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Kyle Fletcher, Well Osbury and somebody else. I can't remember
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: who I put into graphic to be honest with you
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: right now, but I did have them reforming the United Empire.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Allie's painting isn't complete, don't forget.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: So who knows Hobb's put on Twitter that he's coming
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: back soon.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's very true.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: If you get like Kyle Fletcher and even Ricochet as
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a tag I would rather that that grizzled young Vets.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just not invested in them at all. I mean,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: they just seem like a slightly better outrunners to me.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I mean that's where I look at it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: They could just be the spark, you know what I mean,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: They could just be the first group that is there
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to represent the newest parts of the tag team division
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: that needs Honestly, we all know it needs rebuilt. It's
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: pretty much become shit, and hopefully that might just be
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the first beginning of it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we just saw the Box defeat the Acclaimed and FDR,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: so they definitely need to build somebody else because FDR
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and the Acclaimed aren't hanging it, They're not hacking it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Is anyone excited about the von Erics at all?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about them, I am, but they're they're
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: a rig of honor.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: They should be at rig of Honor.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but I mean, we can be excited.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I saw them for the first time in the in
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the pre show, and I'm gonna tell you what, I
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: can't remember which one it is, the bigger one. He's
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: pretty big, and he's pretty.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Good in the rings.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: From what I've seen of him so far, I think
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: they actually have a chance to be something sometimes.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you've got Semi Gavara there, you know.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And I think Sammy's doing really, really well. You know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: he's wrestled a few times on Ring of Honor. His
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: personality is coming through. He's out from under Chris Jericho, which,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: as I believe, is exactly what he wanted, and so
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. The only thing I'm looking
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: forward to I think you're gonna see Jamie Hater and
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Sorea at all out, which, frankly, I'd like to see that,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I really would. It's something different, and it's a stepping stone,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: let's face it, but Cater against Harley Cameron, and Harley
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Cameron has gone from being and I hate to say this,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: but she was kind of like ring dressing. I guess
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it's the best way to put it. She was comic relief.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: She's actually pretty damn good in the ring, and I'm
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: glad that she's getting her chances to earn her spot.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, she's going through a tough time as
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: far as in the wind Lost column, but hey, so
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: did Sky Blue, so did Julia Hart, and they elevated
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: themselves through hard work. I can't stress how impressed I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: am with Harley Cameron's ring work. She's doing a lot
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: better than I expected. Jamie Hater, Gosh, it's just going
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to be great to see her wrestling.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Is it me?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Or does it look like she's in much much better shape,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: not that she was in mad shape before. She looks
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: she just looks like she could do somersaults, where before
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: she looked like a bruiser. Nothing wrong with that, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: now she looks more athletic, I guess, is what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I think she's.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I think she's definitely it's the time for her to
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: come back and it'll be nice to see her in
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the ring. And to me, it just makes the current
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: situation in the women's division. I can't really explain what
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I want to say here because it has diversity and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: pulls it'll further for me, pulls it further away from
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: what they think it is now because for whatever reason,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: to me, the way they did the women's title and
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the TBS title on Sunday, they kind of tried to
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: say that the TBS title is more important than the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: women's title. But from the matches, there was no comparison,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: not one big comparison. The women's The TBS title with
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Monet and Bart and Baker got absolutely no crowd reaction,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: very very little. There were nobody standing up. The only
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: time they stood up in that match was when Camille
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: got sent off.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: If you go back and watch the replay of that match,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: everybody sitting, hardly anybody's cheering, but the women's match, it
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: was everybody was into it. I don't know. I just
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I totally disagree with you. I totally disagree with you.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I watched both matches and I thought they both got
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: save reactions. I think you're looking at it with rose
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: colored glasses.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I was just watching the match and watching the people
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: behind it in the in the camera view, and they
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: all were sitting And the only time I saw him
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: get up was when Hate when when Camille got sent off,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: and a couple of three in the back towards the
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: end of the first row or the main rows there
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: did the d M D thing once, But other than that,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't see anybody. They didn't even cheer when she
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: got when when they got handled the title again, they
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: just sat there. But that's just what I saw.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it has a lot to do
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: also with the story.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Just stop being very compelling.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it was trying to say that
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: the TVs title was more invalid. I think when you're
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: looking at the layout of the show, there are two
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: very big matches with will Ospury and MJF and then
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the main event are title match, and some match needed
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: to go in the middle. So let's not put the
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: match with the best story in that spot, so the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: crowd can be enthused about that earlier in the show.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I think it has more to do with Mercedes Monet is.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: How I put this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Tony Kahn's expensive newer toy, and he wanted it because
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: she's a quote unquote name that has worldwide appeal. I
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: believe that Tony con thinks he can put Mercedes Monet
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: in the ring with anybody and it would sell. That
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: is not the case. You have to sell it, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: this just wasn't sold, and it was.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It's just Britt Baker.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Is a star, but she's a star for other reasons
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: that are that are wrestling. If that makes sense to me,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Baker needs a tag team partner to be.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I just don't see Baker as a singles wrestler. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you're only as good as your opponent, and at a
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: one on one singles match, Baker can't hang with Monette. Now,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: if it was a tag team, I do believe Baker
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: can hang because she has a tag team wrestling style.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: To me, I don't see Baker is a singles wrestler. Yes,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: she was the former women's champion, but when she was
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the women's champion. The aw's women's division looks a whole
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: hell of a lot different. And I will say this
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and I need this. If it was Sida in that match,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: it would have been perfectly slotted right where it was
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: because you have two big names in that match. To me,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Baker is not the name that she once was.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I fully agree, and I'm kind of scared that the
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: hidas I'm coming back for the women's division, I'm coming
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: back for the women's division, will turn into her being
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Mercedes next fewd and I don't think she takes it
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: from Mercedes.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people, and I don't know
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: how you feel about this. I've seen a lot of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: people express opinions that she'da is going to be doing
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: a heel turn.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: When you can look at it this way, she just
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: been a three time women's champion. Mercedes just come in
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: and been given everything she'd been given. I am not
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: impressed with her in the ring. Like I said before,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: She's just exactly what I expected from a WWE trained
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: woman to come into aw She has some skill, it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: not that great because she didn't have that much to
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: work with in ANWWE. The man was about the only
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: one there that would be able to survive on the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: aw roster and be impressive. She'dah comes in. She just
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: should either, I would see she'da going after the women's
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: title again instead of going after the TBS title, because
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to me, the TBS title is your second fiddle title
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: and she doesn't need that title. She needs to be
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: put back into the women's division. If she turns seal,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: she turns seal. Everybody else does, so why not she Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: To think about it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys will agree with me
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: on this, but the thing about Monette that I am
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the most impressed with is that she doesn't phone it in.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: She really works to make her opponent look good, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate that he works her ass off. There
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: were moments in that brit Baker Mercedes Boname match at
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: All in where Mercedes literally put herself at risk to
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: try to make Baker look good, and I appreciate that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: That's so funny that you say that, but that's true.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I've said it before and I
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: hate saying it all the time, but Baker doesn't deserve
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: to be anywhere near your title because she hasn't proved
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: herself to be able to be at one. You could
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: have put anybody in that match. It would have been
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: a better match. You could have put Lady Ice in
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: that match, and it would have been a better match.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: But agad Ice, what's her name, that's what's her name?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Lady front lady.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, you need to have the roster right
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: in front of your face when you do.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Anyway, the point is it would have been a better match.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: But you know, again, I don't Sheidah could be a
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: huge champion as a face. And last week we talked
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: about how the fans determine what that person is. They're
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: going to cheer for Shidah whether she's a healer or face.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because everybody, all the aw fans love
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Chidah because she she does what she does. She comes
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: in the ring, like you said about money, she puts
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: everything into her matches. I have never seen a match
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: where she has come in and said I don't want
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: to feel like wrestling tonight, let me just let this
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: person win or whatever. So you know, I don't know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens, but I would rather see her
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: go for.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: The main title. Well, let's look at something else here.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I had brought up, you know, the reformation of Tony
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Tony Storm and thunder Rosa, you know Thunderstorm. But that's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: just one option. You know. Again, if if we do
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: have a women's tag title announced, that is definitely a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: great team to have. But beyond that, what's next for
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Tony's Storm.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: I hope Tony takes a break. We we don't see
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Tony Storm for a little while and Mariah can be
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: a strong champion because then you know, everyone's going to
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: lose their mind when that music hids.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Did you see the Did you see what Tony Storm
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: did after the match against Mariah may Uh? They showed her.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: She they did a black and white little vignette back
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: there at all In and she basically walked backstage and
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: just kept on walk as she hopped over, went outside,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: hopped over the barrier and just started walking the streets
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: of London here with Luthor behind her.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Renee Piquette said that if you didn't watch the media scrum,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: they had a little thing with her and RJ, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: they did a whole thing about what happened after the match,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: and they said she just took off and kept going
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: and they said that Luther was frantically running after trying
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: to stop her. I hope with Tony Storm. I don't
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: hope she disappears. I just hope she takes some time
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: out of the ring and goes full meltdown, because that's
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: where her character was leading to when this whole thing
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: started breaking down. I'm hoping that's what they do, and
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: when she comes back, she comes back as Tony Storm,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: not the scarlet Tony Storm. Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But okay, so let me ask you guys a question. So,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: now Tony Storm is no longer the women's champion, Mariah
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: May is the women's world champion.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Maria Man.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: In the build up to this whole thing, when she
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: was having the she was with with Tony Storm, I
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: thought she was much more believable. I think when they
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: did the breakaway, they did it too soon. It kind
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: of lost I mean, that story was still good, but
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: it kind of lost some of it there. I think
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: she's a good wrestler. We're just gonna have to see
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: how she works with other people.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm curious about. I'm trying
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: to think of like babyfaces that could so we have
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: thunder rows up, maybe Serena deeb. But who's ready and
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: rare and to go to be a believable challenger right now?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, Nott, do you have any who? What do
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you think of Mariah May? And who do you think
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: is next for Mariah May?
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: I like her, I you know, I don't hate her.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: I like her pretty much. I can see her and
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: thunder Rose. I think they would be good against each other.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Mmmm.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: She's got quite a few people on the women's roster
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: to choose from, but I'd like to see her in
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: thunder Rosa against one another develop a little something there.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Then thunder Rosa has been missing for a little while
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: and I'm miss seeing her, so I'd like to get
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: that going.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gonna see, you know what, all out.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I could see Thunderosa and Diata Parozzo. I could see
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of I think all that's gonna be a
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: women's showcase. To be honest with you, I think you're
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: gonna see some women's matches that all out. I mean
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: we're already. I think you're gonna see obviously, you're gonna
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: see stat Lander and Willow Nightingale, I do think you're
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: gonna see Parozzo and h and thunder Rosa. I wouldn't
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: be shocked if you saw Mercedes Bonet against somebody probably
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I really do hope that it's a
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: tag match, so you would see four women in that match.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: So I really do think that you're gonna see a
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: lot more women's participation on the main show and all
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: out that you did and all in. It's gonna be
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: almost Forbidden doorsh Remember we had four women's matches and
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Forbidden Door, So I think it's gonna be kind of
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the same kind of thing.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Whatever gets some new faces on TV. I'm four, I mean,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: and he said you'd miss seeing thunder Rosa, but even
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: seeing Taya Valkyrie. She played a role in the thunder
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Rosa Deanna Paroff's a feud. So I'd like to see more.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I of Alkyray.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I would love to see. In all honesty, I would
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: love to see Mercedes Bonett and Camille against Athena and
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Billy Starr work. I would just think that would be
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: a great match.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, guys. This is Kelson. Good night, everybody,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: not everybody, good night. Eddie Kingston,