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Don’t Buy the Steam Frame · The Harvest Season

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29AF181E-8F9A-4749-8A60-4157B3173841: Theme Tune: Music
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: hello farmers and welcome to another episode of the harvest season my name is al and we're here
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And my name is Vincent.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: today to talk about vr woo cottagecore games but we're going to talk about vr because
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Woo!
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: In VR.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: vincent just got a Steam Deck
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I also just got a Steam Deck woo
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I did.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And somebody else got that Steam Deck as well.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because we are suckers spending a thousand quid
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on this device well yeah well no I guess not really because valve have done two other handhelds
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, on a first-generation device.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, actually, no.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: before it's just that this is the first standalone handheld they've done so
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah. So technically not. Yes. Okay. You're right. Yes. Not first generation.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not not for it depends how you think about it I can see why you could argue that it's first
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: generation because it's their first standalone one but yeah they have it's not completely
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: new anyway we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about that both on its own because
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, yeah, yeah.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's just an interesting conversation and we both want to talk about our nice fancy toys that we just
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: bought um but also I think we should talk about cottagecore games farming etc because I just
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: played a new uh vr farming game um and spoiler alert I felt sick playing it so that was a great
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: start. But I think we can just talk about these things in
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: general, because I've this is, I think, the second one I've done and the third one I've
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: talked about. So we can probably kind of come to some sort of interesting discussion, I
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: think. But we will come to that later. Before that, we have the game news. We also have because
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's a new month. We've got I know what you released last month. First of all, Vincent,
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, gaming-wise, aside from, you know, Steam Deck-related items, I have been playing quite a bit of Final Fantasy XIV recently, so, yes.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ah this game a game i've heard other people talk about
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I'm sure there's going to be some listeners that will be glad that this is a topic.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But yeah, I've been playing quite a bit.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You've played this for quite a while, haven't you?
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You're not new to it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Not really.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, so I've played a little bit, what was it, maybe like a few years ago now?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: When Hannah first started, I started at the same time as well, or when our mutual friend Hannah first started.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But I fell off of it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You know, it's one of those things where I took a break and I came back and I don't remember what I was doing.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And in an MMO, it's a much larger scale, much larger world.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So I fell off a bit, a little bit.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But then recently, once, you know, when it had the Dawntrail release and a lot more people tried it out, I jumped out.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I jumped back on, and this time I was able to stick to it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And actually, just very recently, I finished the first, you know, I guess you can call it the first part of the story.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Fair enough. So other than, right, try, I want you to try something. Sell me on the game without saying it has farming. Because that's all anybody ever says about this game. I want you to sell me on the game without just saying it has farming in it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so I i know well I know you're a fan of rpgs um it is so I think of like a good way to to put it so
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: there's a lot of things to do activities to do in the game it's not just purely you know obviously
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: there's the main storyline uh which if you want to follow that you can but otherwise I think what's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: neat about this game is that you know once you get to a certain point uh you know you can start
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: watering off at the very
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: beginning but probably you know you're going to be locked out
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: to a lot of things so you probably have to do
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the storyline a
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: little bit until you get to a certain point
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but once you get to a certain point it really
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: opens up in terms of all the things you
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: can do you know you can continue
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: on the storyline you can
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: get other jobs
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: in there so there's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: your classic
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I guess you know I'm not
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: an expert on terminology I'm trying to remember to make sure
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: we use the right terminology
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: for this but you know there's your basic jobs
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: right your paladin
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: your archer and you know healer
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and all that but this game
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: also has a lot of side
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: side
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: jobs that you can get
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so like a miner
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: fisher sort of the
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: gathering jobs and also crafting
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: jobs so you know you can pair it up
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so you can say okay I'm going to be a
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: paladin as my main
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: job
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but then I can also pick up the miner
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and level that up as well
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: aspect
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: well and then
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: once you mine enough ores and stuff
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: then you can use that to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: do the crafting
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: part of it
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so you know build armors
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: or build weapons and whatnot
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that would be my
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: my
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: my
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I guess my
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: not very good
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but kind of my sales pitch
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so that's another piece I liked of it
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Interesting. How prevalent is the MMO part of it?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's not that prevalent
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: at least you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: where I'm at
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's been very you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the first part
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the first few
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: dungeons that you had
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: to do
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: was very doable
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: with just NPCs
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so you don't have to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: queue up with other people
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: if you don't want to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I'm now at the point
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: of the game where I
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you have to queue up
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: with other people
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but even then
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: there's a built-in system
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: in there that you can
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: easily queue up
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: with other people
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you don't have to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: interact with
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: others if you don't want to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So you can treat us like a single player game with just,
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that there's other people around it playing.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So it's not,
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it doesn't require a lot of MMO coordination or whatnot,
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: okay yeah I i suspect yeah I suspect that's not a huge issue I i think if I ever got to the point
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: if you don't want to.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But again,
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I'm also not at the end game part of it where you may need to get with more
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where I was playing this game and I got to like end game I think i'm probably enjoying it enough
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that I can just deal with whatever they need me I need to deal with right um the issue with all
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: these things is like it's a game i've never played it's a massive game it is
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you know where to start you know I kind of I guess I feel the way same way towards that as
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: some people too towards stars you where you're just like there's so much to do and it's like where do
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you start and how do you start and my my issue with new games is always that it's the if i'm starting a
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game i'm almost committing to play this for like you know at least 10 hours that's a big commitment for
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh yeah, definitely. And if you're not careful, you can easily get lost and overwhelm yourself
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: in the beginning. Luckily, we have a lot of mutual friends that play this game. So I was able to ask
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, yeah.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: advice in terms of, hey, should I be just focusing on one thing or should I just try to do everything?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And I got that advice that they told me, just focus on the main story quest until you get to
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: a certain point
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: because otherwise
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: he's just going
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: OK. Well, I don't talk about too much more about it because maybe I might be talking about it in a future episode.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: much to handle.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: No promises. We'll see. I don't know what you're talking about. Anything else you've been up to?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: hint hint ah so that's mainly the other thing that i've been uh playing a lot recently um is
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the witcher 3 uh remastered or I guess re uh yeah the remastered version just came out
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Mm-hmm.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Mm-hmm.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: um you know it's been a game that's has interested me for a while i've i've dabbled in it a little
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: bit but i've never stuck with it um so when the remaster came out I i already had it in my library
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So I booted up and I think now I'm finally...
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Fair enough.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't think I've ever played any of their games.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't think that's probably not in your genre wheelhouse. I would say the remaster is pretty good, though. My main complaint initially when I first played it was that the combat felt very floaty. It doesn't feel good. I wouldn't say that they've completely fixed that, but it's much better.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: now
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: if it's like
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I can't quantify it
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's placebo
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but it does feel
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: better for me
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Mm-hmm okay all right well I yeah no if you were going to say something say
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh no
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: go ahead
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh no no
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's fine uh I well I suspect you've also been playing Beat Saber is that true to say
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: go ahead
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh yes
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: yes
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well tell me because this this will be your first time playing
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: as well
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's been
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: taking up
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: a lot of
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: my time
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: yeah so
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: playing Beat Saber since you got the Steam Deck presumably
9:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: okay yeah
9:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's my
9:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: first time
9:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: playing
9:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: well I've
9:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I've played
9:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Beat Saber
9:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
9:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: at friend's
9:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's the first
9:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: time I've
9:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: actually
9:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: played it
9:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: for an
9:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: extended period
9:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: of time
9:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so
9:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so
9:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's
9:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's
9:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it is much
9:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: more difficult
9:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: than I
9:51
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: than I
9:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: thought
9:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
9:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: because
9:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: aside from
9:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
9:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: when you're
9:55
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: just playing
9:55
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: like one-off
9:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: easy songs
9:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it feels
9:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: easy
9:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but then
9:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: when you
9:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: start trying
9:59
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: to
9:59
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you know
10:00
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh I
10:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: want to
10:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: try to
10:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: rap
10:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: difficulty
10:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: or try
10:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: other songs
10:03
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: then it's
10:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's much
10:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: more difficult
10:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: than what
10:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I when I
10:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: expected
10:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I've had
10:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think that's a standard that's a standard rhythm game thing, because I did the same with Guitar Hero the first time I played it.
10:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I was like, oh, this is going to be easy. You're just pressing buttons at the right time.
10:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And then you're like, oh, no, this is this is a skill that you need to learn.
10:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah, yeah, I had to turn off the game over, you know, or it doesn't fail you after, you know, if you miss a certain number of beats, I had to turn that off.
10:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah can I also I would also suggest there is a setting I can't remember what it is but there's a
10:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: setting um I think it might be like a more detailed hud or something and it shows you the length of
10:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the song and how far through the song you are for some reason that is not on by default but it is on
10:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it is a setting there um which it just changed how I view the game entirely because I hate when
10:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're like part of the way through something like I don't know am I nearly done
10:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like i'm really struggling now do I like because I i don't do the um continue like no failure I i i
11:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: want to be able to get through it without failure but obviously i've been playing it for a lot longer
11:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: than you um and so I was I i when you get to a point where you're like i'm almost like i'm really
11:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: struggling am I nearly there do I push through to the end or do I just like take a break and come
11:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: back later and if i'm like 30 seconds away i'm like I want to finish this whereas if you look
11:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: through and you're not even halfway through you're like I need I need a break from this um
11:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and having that timer it was a massive
11:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, okay. I'm going to try that. Yeah, I've been, especially when I play like someone from some of the song packs, like, you know, the pop songs that I would just have to remember like, okay, is this like the second chorus? It's like the bridge, you know, how far along are we?
11:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah I really don't know why it's not default on it feels like
11:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I don't know it's it's like it's not an accessibility thing it's just seeing the time
11:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: through the song like I just I want to see how far through the song we are so yeah that is a
11:51
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, no way.
11:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: setting get it enabled the other one I have on is uh restart on failure so you don't have to like
11:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay, perfect.
11:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I'll need to try that out.
12:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it just automatically restarts I i enjoy that because i'm pushing through into to the
12:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, okay. I may try it out too. Yeah, because one of the things that annoyed me is that you have to, you know, click and try to, it's a lot of clicks to go back to where you were when you're starting.
12:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whereas if you have that on it literally just it's like a two or three
12:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: seconds and then it restarts the song um which is is great the other one the other thing that is
12:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: useful is you can play the songs in practice mode um which means you can either you could you like
12:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's the same as like not no failure um but it allows you to like change the speed if you want
12:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to practice certain sections. And it allows you to say, I want to start the song at this
12:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: point. So if there's a part like two thirds, quite common is like there's a bridge two thirds of
12:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the way through the song, which is like the hardest bit of the song. And you're like, I don't
12:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: want to have to keep playing through the song to get back to practice that bit. You can start the
12:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: practice at an exact second, which is very handy for practicing bits like that.
13:03
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting. Okay. I'm going to try that out. So yeah, there's certain, I'm getting used to it now, but there's certain things that come up that I always struggle with. Like if it's like two, you know, at the same time, it's going different directions or like the one that's usually on the left suddenly appears on the right.
13:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so if you're finding the specific bits of songs
13:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that you're struggling with go go in and try the practice mode it's very handy
13:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so obviously I have also been playing beat saber um I started replaying it when when vincent got
13:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting. All right. I'm going to try it out too.
13:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: his steam frame I was like oh i've not played beat saber in ages um because I played it like
13:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: every day for months
13:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a couple years ago
13:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then just
13:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fall off these things right
13:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I was like
13:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't want to wait
13:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for my Steam frame
13:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and also I'm going
13:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to be keeping
13:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because I have a
13:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: MetaQuest 3
13:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm going to have
13:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm going to keep that
13:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because I have
13:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: almost all the
13:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: packs of songs
13:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I'm like
13:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't want to rebuy
13:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all of them again
13:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on Steam
14:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so what I think
14:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm going to do
14:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is probably
14:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: buy new packs
14:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on Steam
14:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but keep my quest
14:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for the old packs
14:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if I want to go back
14:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and play them
14:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so obviously
14:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I've rebuy the game
14:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on Steam
14:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but
14:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game itself is not stupidly expensive
14:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it's like if you want to buy
14:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all of the packs that is a lot of money
14:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yep yep
14:21
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: The packs are where they get you.
14:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so uh yeah
14:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I will be keeping that for those songs
14:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but uh yeah so I went
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I was like I need to get back into playing it and i
14:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: realized how out
14:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of practice I got
14:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's the muscles
14:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in your arms they're not muscles you use for
14:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a lot of things so you they become
14:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: achy very quickly
14:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
14:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah. Oh, I've had to, my first few times had to take breaks, not because of, you know, the battery or the VR, but because my arms were tired.
14:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah
14:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all right so we'll talk more
14:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about vr later um i've also
14:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well speaking oh no we've got
15:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: another vr thing isle of food that was the vr
15:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game vr farming game that I was playing
15:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: uh we'll talk about that later but
15:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's the thing i've been playing but the other thing
15:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is i've finished marvel's wolverine
15:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I finished the story I decided
15:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not
15:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to 100 percent it uh I can talk about that in a minute why but
15:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: overall I would say this game is
15:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fine
15:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I i think so I think I enjoyed the story it's it's hard to talk about the story
15:23
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay, from an overall standpoint or from a story or gameplay standpoint?
15:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: without spoilering things um
15:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I mean if you're interested in in what the story is maybe I can do a spoiler
15:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: section at the very end of the podcast but
15:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I i enjoyed the story it's it's you know it's not kind of your I i'm not a
15:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: aware of it being uh an adapted x-men story of any kind um there are bits and pieces that
15:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: obviously feel similar to lots of stories like from the trailers you might have seen
15:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that the morlocks are in it so there's there's obviously stuff related to them that can have
16:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: happened in all that all of them um but yeah it's I don't know I i don't I can't remember
16:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: how much was public are you aware of who wolverine is working with at the beginning
16:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Uh, no.
16:16
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, but also, this is probably a game I'm never going to play because I don't have a PS5, so...
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah all right maybe maybe let's talk about it now i'll i'll this is the end of the what we've
16:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: been up to section and talked about everything else so i'll put in a chapter here of spoilers
16:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you don't want to hear the spoilers for marvel's wolverine click the the next chapter
16:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you can go to I know what you released last month um so the game starts off with you
16:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: as wolverine waking up in a forest and uh you see there's a there's someone who's come and they've
16:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: said like oh I can help you I have a place for people and you're like oh interesting is this
16:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Professor X as he comes
16:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to no it's not Professor X
16:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's Nathaniel Essex
16:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and so
16:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting.
16:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: immediately you're like okay so I know
16:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: who the end game baddie is then
16:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: obviously we're coming to Mr. Sinister
17:00
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Hmm.
17:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and
17:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: obviously that is true that is
17:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: who the final boss is Mr. Sinister
17:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it's interesting
17:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because
17:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Essex has created
17:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Team X which is
17:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Wolverine, Sabretooth
17:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and Mystique
17:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: was there anyone else
17:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I feel like there was someone else but maybe they weren't
17:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there very much
17:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: anyway so he's created this
17:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: team and you're you know like a black
17:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ops mutant team taking out
17:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Trask is kind of your first
17:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: baddie of the game
17:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and he's building a
17:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: sentinel and you
17:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fight the hand at one point
17:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then near the end of the game
17:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: after you've defeated
17:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Trask and you've defeated the hand
17:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Essex
17:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: takes over Trask's
17:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: facility
17:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and rebuilds
17:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the sentinels
17:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but rebuilds them
17:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not to hunt down
18:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and kill mutants
18:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but to hunt down
18:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: mutants whose powers
18:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: haven't come out
18:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and take them
18:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then they have
18:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the
18:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm sure this is
18:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: something in the comics
18:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but there's like a
18:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I can't remember
18:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what it's called
18:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's a machine
18:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that brings out
18:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: latent mutant abilities
18:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and so he's
18:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: he's got that
18:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so he's got the sentinels
18:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: going out and grabbing
18:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: people who are
18:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: who are dormant mutants
18:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and bringing them
18:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and giving them
18:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: their powers
18:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: obviously that's not great
18:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so that's that's
18:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that whole thing
18:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but yeah it just
18:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's interesting
18:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: how it starts off
18:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: clearly trying to do
18:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the misdirect of like
18:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh it's Professor X
18:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: no no it's not
18:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's Nathaniel Essex
18:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you're working
18:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with Sabretooth
18:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: at least at the start
18:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: obviously that does
18:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not last
18:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: surprise surprise
18:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but the most
18:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: interesting point
18:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to me is
18:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you'll probably
18:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: have no scene
18:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in some of the stuff
18:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that Jean
18:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Jean Grey is in
19:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in the game
19:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and so she's been
19:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: working with
19:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: she's been
19:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: protecting the Morlocks
19:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so when you go
19:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and try and help them
19:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you come across Jean
19:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you get to know her
19:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and there's
19:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you kind of
19:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: she
19:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: she doesn't really
19:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: join Team X
19:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but you kind of
19:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: both of you
19:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: start working together
19:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and kind of clearly used
19:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're starting to do things
19:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that Essex doesn't want you to do
19:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and he starts getting a bit weird
19:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and there's issues with Sabretooth
19:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and blah, blah, blah.
19:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And then at some point you end up,
19:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so a big part of it,
19:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which is a standard Wolverine thing,
19:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is like you don't have
19:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a bunch of your memories, right?
19:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so you're uncovering memories as you go.
19:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And there's a point where you're uncovering
19:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: quite a big memory
19:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and it turns out that you knew Jean before,
19:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But you...
19:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Essex essentially kind of broke you, your mind, and brainwashed you to kill Jean.
19:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But then, and we don't know how this...
20:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So this one thing is I'm not 100% sure which way this is.
20:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But either she was resurrected because of the phoenix.
20:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Or it's not technically the same person, but she's like...
20:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: The phoenix has inhabited another person who ends up becoming Jean.
20:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's not quite clear what the deal is.
20:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But she doesn't have her memories of your time together.
20:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But then she regains them.
20:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And you regain them.
20:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So now you both have the memories of you being together before.
20:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But you having killed Jean.
20:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But then, and this is where it's really weird.
20:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Right at the end, Jean wipes your memory.
20:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, okay.
20:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so you no longer have the memory of being with Jean.
20:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I don't know whether I missed something as to whether there's a reason
20:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: does this, but she then tells you about those memories, but you don't have those memories.
20:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So you're like, Wolverine's like reacting to those memories, being like,
20:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I believe what you're saying, but I don't have those feelings sort of thing.
21:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And then he goes off into the world.
21:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's all a bit weird.
21:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I thought that they're like, oh, you had a life before, but then neither of you have
21:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: memories of that as a reveal was quite an interesting thing.
21:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I did like the Logan and Jean relationship building in that way.
21:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think quite often in X-Men stuff,
21:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you see some Logan and Jean stuff
21:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you see some Scott and Jean stuff,
21:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but there's always like that tension.
21:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I thought it was interesting to see
21:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Jean and Logan developing a relationship
21:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: without that tension there with Scott,
21:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which was, I thought that was quite interesting.
21:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh yeah are there other x-men that show up or is it just or the other cast of x-men or
21:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There, I don't, I'm trying to remember if there was,
21:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think that was, that's...
21:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There's obviously quite a lot of Morlocks, including Leech, who dies.
21:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I don't think there were any...
21:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There's a couple of kind of hints at other characters.
22:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, there's a file of one that could have been rogue, but not quite sure.
22:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But there's kind of, like, hints that it might have been rogue, but you don't see her.
22:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't think there was any, like, other actual X-Men characters that you encountered.
22:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But the one other thing is that throughout the story, you get these voices in your head that's, like, telling you stuff.
22:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And if you don't have the subtitles on, it's a mystery as to who this character is until the end.
22:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: If you do have subtitles on, it gives it away the first time you hear it, as it subtitles it as Apocalypse.
22:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh my god oh
22:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And you're like, oh, apparently Apocalypse is talking to me.
22:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know how I would know that.
22:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But, like, right at the end, there's, like, a post-credits scene with Sabretooth.
22:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Being taken over by Apocalypse, basically.
22:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And clearly setting up for a future story.
22:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But it's just so funny how they're, like, they put in, like, they should have just...
23:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's not an unusual thing in subtitles where you've got a character who's not named at this point.
23:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And they say, like, unknown voice or question marks or something like that.
23:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But for some reason, they decided to spoil the fact that it was Apocalypse.
23:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I think subtitles are on by default.
23:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's not like I just turned them on.
23:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I would have
23:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: turned them on
23:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because I like
23:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: subtitles, but I'm
23:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pretty sure they're
23:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on by default.
23:23
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, OK, that's what I was going to ask,
23:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: because I know things being on by default has been--
23:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Right, okay.
23:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think this game
23:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: does make some
23:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stupid decisions,
23:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I also think
23:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that people are
23:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: complaining about
23:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: things pointlessly
23:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in some cases.
23:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think
23:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I will agree that the
23:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: quick time events
23:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in this game are
23:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: weird and
23:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pointless, but
23:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: personally, I think
23:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: quick time events are
23:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pointless full stop,
23:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right?
23:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't find them
23:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I think
23:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it just feels like
23:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a way to kind of
23:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like keep people
23:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: engaged in the
23:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: cut scene or
23:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: something.
23:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, I don't
24:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: really get why
24:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: people continue to
24:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: use quick time
24:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: events, and
24:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Wolverine has taken
24:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it to the extreme
24:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where you can't
24:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fail them, which
24:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is true.
24:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There's no setting
24:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to allow you to
24:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fail quick time
24:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: events.
24:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There is a setting
24:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that is automatically
24:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: press the buttons,
24:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but if you don't
24:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: have that turned on
24:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's just that the quick time event
24:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: doesn't do anything until you click it
24:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you can't fail them
24:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which I really don't care about
24:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but then I wouldn't want them
24:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: as a quick time event anyway
24:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right
24:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I do understand why they don't fail
24:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because this is Wolverine
24:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right
24:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like Wolverine
24:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
24:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: immortal being basically
24:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right
24:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like he can't really die
24:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and so the idea of having failure
24:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in quick time events for Wolverine
24:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't understand why they didn't do them
24:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but what I don't understand is
24:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: why they did the quick time events at all
24:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, I do agree. I'm not a big fan of quick time events in these type of games because, at least for me, if I played like a game like this, it's usually for the story, right? You know, if I want a quote unquote hard game, I'll go play like an Elden Ring or something. But then on the flip side, if I want to do quick time events, I'll play a rhythm game instead.
25:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yes
25:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah that's a really good way of putting it yeah um so that the other things are um
25:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it the I mean the difficulty settings I don't really care like I felt like the default difficulty
25:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: felt like a good difficulty I think people can people will complain about that no matter what
25:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And there were people clearly just lying about
25:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what their settings were
25:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and showing stuff that only happens
25:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on the easiest settings, right?
25:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: The motorbike chase is the classic one
25:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that someone was showing.
25:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, you can't die.
25:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You can.
25:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You absolutely can.
25:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: On the default setting, you can die, right?
25:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like it's just people just out there lying.
25:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't care.
25:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And if you care about it being super, super difficult,
25:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you can do that.
25:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's a thing.
26:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: The other thing though was the smell trails.
26:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: One of Wolverine's powers is that he's got
26:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a very good sense of smell and can sniff out people.
26:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And what they decided to do in the game with that
26:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is physically show you like a trail
26:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to what you're trying to find.
26:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And some people have been complaining about that
26:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because they're like, oh, it's babying me.
26:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's holding my hand too much.
26:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't really care about that, right?
26:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Because this is not an exploration game.
26:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm not in this game to find things
26:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and again, this is probably similar to my feeling
26:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on quick time events.
26:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: When I'm in a game and I'm playing Wolverine,
26:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm there to stab people.
26:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm there to create mayhem.
26:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And walking around linear levels,
26:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: following someone,
26:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah, I don't care about exploring
27:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and trying to find them.
27:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm absolutely fine with it
27:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just telling me where people are.
27:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I agree. Like, you know, you don't want to be like, you know, you don't want players to give up because they get stuck, like, you know, or some players might get stuck, like, for, I don't know, trying to look for the next thing, but...
27:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah and he I yeah and I just like is it over the top yeah probably is over the top I don't I don't
27:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't care and I do think that is actually something you can turn off in the settings so
27:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you do care okay you you can you can care you can turn it off great I i I don't get the moaning
27:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about things that are settings right I get the moaning about the quick if you really want quick
27:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: time events to be failable?
27:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Moan about all you want.
27:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't get the moaning about, oh, it gives me this thing that I can turn off.
27:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Okay, turn it off then.
27:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, if you really care about that, there's a huge list of settings in this game, which
27:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I went through.
27:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Are people not going through settings to see what there are right at the beginning of games?
27:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's what I do every time I play a game, is I look through the settings and see what
28:03
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, that's what confused me as well when I learned that, oh, those are all just settings. I mostly play on PC, so that is what I have to do. I have to do that. I go into settings, I adjust the graphics and everything, and I look through all the accessibility stuff too.
28:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah but this game also this game also when you click start a game it shows you the settings
28:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so it's not even like it's hidden it's right there you can click on gameplay and see what
28:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the settings are and change your difficulty and for all these things
28:29
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay, that was my other thing.
28:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's like, oh, is it one of those games
28:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: nope nope nope nope nope before the first cut scene it shows you the settings
28:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that just throws you into the action
28:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and you don't have a chance to change the settings?
28:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh.
28:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so I just
28:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I get the
28:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the quick time events
28:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it's stupid
28:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but I get why people
28:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: would
28:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: complain about that
28:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but everything else
28:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just
28:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: look at the
28:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like
28:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're
28:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you're a gamer
28:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're looking at the settings
28:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right
28:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we're not just random
28:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you know
28:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's not like
28:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: random people off the street
28:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like you know what you're doing
29:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you know how to play a game
29:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you probably know how to look at settings
29:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm sure you can cope with that
29:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, you want to adjust the experience to suit what you prefer.
29:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: exactly
29:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and it's not like
29:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all of the easy access
29:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: settings are all on like some of them are not so it's like it's it's a balance of things they've
29:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: decided to turn on at the start and I don't think that the default setting should be the hardest
29:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: option and so they've tried to create a balance of these are the things that we think should be on
29:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and these are the things that we should think should be off to give the best balance of gameplay
29:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you can change that if you want sounds like a good experience to me anyway whatever people will
29:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: well
29:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: complain about it no matter what. I think the biggest
29:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think the biggest
29:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: mistake
29:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that they made
29:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: was saying that this was
29:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: an Insomniac game
29:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because people have expectations of
29:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Insomniac and actually
29:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - Yes.
29:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think that
29:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this goes back, I think this is why
30:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Nintendo don't really focus
30:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on the developers, they just tell you it's a Nintendo
30:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game because if you're told it's a
30:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game by this developer you have certain
30:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: expectations going in whereas if you're
30:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just told this is a game and here's the game
30:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: then you have the expectations
30:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of that game, right? Like you can't have
30:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Nintendo expectations because they make
30:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so many games and similarly you can't have
30:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Sony expectations because they have so many
30:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: different games but you can have an Insomniac
30:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: expectation because they just released Spider-Man
30:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: 2 and it's such
30:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: yeah I mean it definitely does happen with nintendo right you you hear like you know
30:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: once like rumors pop out that like oh this game is being developed by so and so or this npd
30:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: this group and yeah they people start forming that you know expectations but
30:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: well hopefully this will at this you know worst cases hopefully this expands what people
30:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: expect of insomniac games hopefully well as i
30:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah maybe I mean that's not necessarily a good thing because because obviously it's not been the
30:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: most great experience for a lot of people and so they'll maybe be less positive about insomniac
31:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: games going forwards but um the I think the other thing mistake they made was announcing this game
31:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's fair.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then not telling us anything about it for five years because all yeah yeah they went here
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: That is, yeah, it just builds,
31:12
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the hype gets built up.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we're releasing a wolverine game and we're like what does that mean and I i've said this multiple
31:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: times when I
31:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: was like I'm a
31:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: little bit worried
31:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about this because
31:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the traversal can't
31:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: be as good as
31:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Spider-Man because
31:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's Wolverine
31:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's not how he
31:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: works and I was
31:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I was right it's
31:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I mean it's it's
31:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fine I don't
31:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: dislike the
31:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: traversal but I
31:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't think it
31:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: would have worked
31:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in a big open
31:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: world which is why
31:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think that
31:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: actually that
31:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: level-based design
31:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: worked really well
31:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because the it
31:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: feels less
31:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: restrictive right
31:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you're in a if
31:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you were in the
31:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the New York that
31:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you were in in
31:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Spider-Man as
31:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Wolverine it would
31:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: dreadful you
31:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you would not be
31:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: having fun because
31:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're so you're
31:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just you're just a
31:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: person running
31:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: around and jumping
31:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's it's
31:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, you're going to have to like, I don't know, like Grand Theft Auto it or something.
32:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So that is just going to become, you know, GTA but melee.
32:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But, you know, we're a guy with claws.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, and that's not what I'm looking for.
32:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's nothing like Spider-Man.
32:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Anyway, that's enough about Wolverine.
32:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, well, one last thing about Wolverine that I'm curious about.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I enjoyed it.
32:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's not, it's, yes.
32:17
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Did they allude to or did they just, did they allude to whether this is in the same universe as the Marvel Spider-Man?
32:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's there's no indication in there's no indication in the game not nothing that I saw
32:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think outside of the game they have said that it is in the same universe but they said that
32:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: spider-man wouldn't be turning up in this game and he did he did not but that doesn't mean that
32:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: he that there won't be crossovers in the future I do think there is obviously a problem if you try
32:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and do that because this game is so bloody um you can't cross them over in a game and not have it be
32:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the same...
32:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, if Spider-Man 3...
32:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: If Spider-Man 3 comes out and Wolverine turns up in it, that immediately changes the age rating of that game, right? Or it just dumbs down the character.
33:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's fair. Well, you know, they successfully got the Punisher in a Spider-Man movie.
33:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, and they did that by putting the Hulk in his way so there's no blood.
33:12
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's true. That's true.
33:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So, yeah, I don't... I would be surprised if they did that, but it clearly sounds like they want to set up a whole X-Men line of games, right?
33:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You know, with Apocalypse and stuff like that.
33:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know what that means going forwards, but they want something.
33:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - Okay, yeah, that's what I was wondering
33:29
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: 'cause it does sound like there's gonna be a sequel.
33:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, yeah, I guess it depends on how much they've actually sold and whether they continue on that sequel.
33:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But they've obviously been creating a sequel.
33:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, they would have started that already.
33:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, they would have been way deep in development already.
33:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Or not deep, but they would have started already.
33:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But it's fine. We'll get the Venom game next and that'll be fun.
33:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Assuming they haven't cancelled it.
33:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: All right. That's what we've been up to.
33:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Next up, we have...
33:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I know what you released last month.
33:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: We had a very small number of releases in September.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: We had Tiny Eden, we had Dragon Shelter, and we had Farming Camp.
34:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: One interesting thing about Dragon Shelter, this is the game where I played the demo and I'm pretty convinced that there was AI-generated art in it.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They have been doubling down online saying they don't have AI-generated art.
34:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So, I don't know whether to believe them or not, because that, like, there was...
34:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Most of it was like, okay, I could believe that this is just, like, pretty boring kind of...
34:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But there was one piece in particular that, if it wasn't AI-generated, the artist was an idiot.
34:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so, I don't know...
34:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, but isn't it--
34:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't believe them.
34:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I can't prove otherwise.
34:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: don't you have to disclose on Steam now
34:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: if there's AI-generated things?
34:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yes, exactly.
34:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's the thing.
34:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But if you can't prove that they're wrong, then you...
34:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: If they just say they're not, then what can you do?
34:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I suspect they have changed that piece of art since the...
34:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: In the real game.
34:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it was only in the demo.
34:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I just...
34:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't believe them that it wasn't AI-generated.
35:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It was so clearly not...
35:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, if a human made that, they made some really stupid decisions.
35:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, physically impossible decisions that are clearly obvious if you actually look at the piece of art.
35:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know why anybody would make those decisions.
35:15
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So they denied that it was a generator.
35:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: They didn't do the whole, oh, it's just a placeholder.
35:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
35:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: No, they didn't even go...
35:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Which, if they'd said it was a placeholder, that would be one thing.
35:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Disclose that, but I reckon that's what it is.
35:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I do think it was a placeholder.
35:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They are not admitting it, but that's what I think.
35:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I believe that was a placeholder, AI-generated art.
35:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And they have...
35:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I haven't bought the game, so I cannot confirm that they've changed it.
35:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I would be very surprised if it was the same piece of art now.
35:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And they've done this whole, like, series of...
35:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is how we designed all these things.
35:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Which very much feels like, oh, people are accusing us of AI-generated art.
35:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: We have to prove that we've not done it.
35:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And it's like, I'm not saying your final game has AI-generated art.
35:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm saying that piece of art in that demo, I'm convinced, was AI-generated.
36:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's what I'm saying.
36:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And none of the stuff that they're talking about, of this is how we designed all this art,
36:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: none of that had that piece of art that I think was AI-generated.
36:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's always funny to me why you would--
36:11
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: if it's meant to be a placeholder, why even use AI?
36:14
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Why not just use like a MS Paint drawing?
36:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well yes I actually think I think that's the thing if you if you don't use ai generated art
36:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for placeholders and you use terrible looking placeholders it's much more obvious when you
36:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: still have a placeholder and so you don't miss it the problem is that when you have
36:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ai generated art as placeholders it's much easier to miss because it looks closer to the real thing
36:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, and if it comes out in a, you know, if it accidentally slips by in a early access game, then I think people will be a lot more forgiving. Like, oh, yeah, it's a, you know, it's a beta or it's an early access.
36:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: mm-hmm yep
36:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yes yes the the problem is
36:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: people have isn't that there was placeholders the problem is that their placeholders were ai
36:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: generated that's the problem that people had anyway I haven't played any of these games i
36:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
36:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: do want to play farming camp at some point um I like the look of that game who knows when i'll get to it
36:59
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, Farming Camp does look interesting.
37:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, but I also have not played any.
37:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all right let's talk about some news first up a game you have played Vincent, PokéWilds
37:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I have, although I have not played this update
37:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: or since the update yet.
37:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's that's fair I i think most people should probably unless you're like kevin you should
37:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: probably wait until the three dlcs are out before playing them I don't think there's enough content
37:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in in any individual one to to satisfy people but this here however if you really love the game
37:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we've got a a new event in pocopia gather pumpkin candy for pump kaboo in Pokémon PokéWilds this time
37:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of year, you might be asked an all-important question,
37:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: trick or treat. But in
37:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: PokéWilds, you can have the best of both
37:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: worlds. The game's next event,
37:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Pumpkaboo's Sweet Surprises, will take
37:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: place from October the 17th to
37:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: November the 1st, local time.
37:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Pumpkaboo is coming to town,
37:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ready to help you create a
37:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: spectacularly spooky vibe.
38:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: During the event period, Pumpkaboo will be waiting
38:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for you near rebuilt Pokemon centres,
38:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you can befriend them to start
38:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: collecting pumpkin candy. That's a hard
38:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: thing to say, pumpkin candy.
38:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Make sure you've learned the move camouflage from
38:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Zorua at Bleak Beach, because to collect
38:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: spoiler alert for PokéWilds,
38:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because to collect any tasty treats,
38:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you'll need to camouflage yourself as objects
38:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and surprise unsuspecting Pokemon.
38:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They'll give you pumpkin candy
38:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: as a reward for pulling off
38:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: such mischievous tricks.
38:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is fun.
38:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, so you're disguised as an object and you try to sneak up on Pokemon?
38:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yep.
38:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And then if you surprise them, they will give you candy.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And then you get the candy as all the other events you give the candy to Bumkibu to buy the items.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Of which some of them are fine.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And one of them is particularly good, which is the ghost hologram.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, okay, oh, yeah, oh, same pictures of it now.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the other ones are fine there's like a jack-o'-lantern there's some uh halloween inspired
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: balloons there's a cough agrigus i'm guessing it's a coffin I don't know is there a coffin in
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this game now um uh there's a trevenant statue of some kind and a dusk noir dusclops uh duscal
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: statue um and uh most importantly that uh ghost hologram the ghost from gen one
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I might actually do this event now.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: This is for a ghost hologram.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It looks like a very--
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: or it looks like a piece of decoration
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that you can actually use for other stuff.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah I think this I can't maybe my second favorite event thing second to the sudowoodoo
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: thing for uh april fools the wacky waving sudowoodoo that one was good as well but yeah
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yes, that was a good one.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this is this is fun fun little thing speaking of halloween events hallow kitty island adventure
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: have their spooky celebration or month month of mischief kuromi takes
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: over spooky season with trick-or-treating new potions kurumi fied friends and a cafe makeover
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so we've also got a fun little halloween event for hello kitty island adventure
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting.
40:29
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I have to admit, this is one game where I do have it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I picked it up on sale, but I have not started this yet.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: can't believe you own a game and you've not played it shocking you'd never find me having hundreds of
40:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: them uh next the ever expanding never ending backlog next up we have a release date for
40:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's on the old backlog.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: keep watering that is coming out on the 8th of october which is the day after this episode comes
40:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: over the top and stressful
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: well this one does look pretty interesting looks very you know like a not um yeah not yeah
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they say it's cozy I really want to know how they think this game is going to be cozy
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but i'm gonna have to play it before I make a
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: The only way this could be cozy is if it's slow-paced enough.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But looking at the screenshots where there's timers,
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't see how it's going to be cozy.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I i wonder if it's one of these things where it's just like nothing really dies so there's no
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like the only disadvantage to doing things slowly is that you just don't get as much as you would
41:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: have but you you know you're just continuing on and if you do things you do things I suspect that's
41:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what it will be but some people will just find that automatically stressful it's like i'm not
41:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: doing this the most
41:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: efficient way possible
41:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: therefore it's
41:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stressful
41:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
41:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, it's going to be like, oh, no, now I have to wait until a whole other year to get this crop.
41:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well yeah I don't even
41:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: know if it's going to be
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the case of like that i
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't know whether it
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will be that big I think
42:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it might just be like i
42:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't I don't know
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's lots of
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: different it's it looks
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to me like it's you
42:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: build up something in a
42:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: short period of time as
42:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a like a single run like
42:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it feels like a roguelike
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to me um but they call
42:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it an incremental idler
42:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they're not calling it
42:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it feels like that to
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: me where it's like you
42:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: spend 10 minutes doing
42:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this thing and then you
42:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: do it again in a
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah.
42:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, faster farm.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, more-- oh, you push your farm further.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: OK, I see now.
42:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we shall see there's also a massive skill tree
42:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it starts up small so I don't it looks like you're not going to see the whole skill tree
42:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And just look-- that skill tree does
42:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: look pretty intimidating.
42:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you aren't the it adds because I think part of the problem of skill trees and how they feel
42:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: intimidating is when you have the whole skill tree visible from the start whereas when I was
42:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: looking at the videos of this I saw things appearing when you unlocked something so it
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't see the other things until you've unlocked the previous ones before them
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which I think will make it a bit better
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: OK, that's fair.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You're not starting to min max and plan out your build right away.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah exactly next up luma island is coming to playstation and xbox don't know when they
43:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: haven't said when but it's coming there you go that's the news that's it
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: That's the other PlayStation box.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: No Switch yet, or Switch 2, or no Nintendo console yet.
43:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I can't remember whether it was or no it's not on switch and they've not announced anything about
43:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that so who knows it might just be that they are doing it they've just not announced it but I find
43:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it weird when they're like this is this this this game has been out for a while now and they're only
43:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: now announcing that it's coming out but they're not doing it late enough to tell you when it's
43:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: coming out but they're not doing it early enough that it's half if you wanted it on these but you
44:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: thought it might not come out in them you just buy it on steam like it feels like the worst time to an
44:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ounce it is just randomly without giving you when it's coming out
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: yeah well at least I think this one at least you know I think I agree some of those other games that
44:16
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: do this is kind of strange but at least this one they have a good reason is because they have
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: cross-play across platforms so maybe they're like oh yeah if you really like this game and
44:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you have a friend that doesn't have a pc but has a xbox or it has a playstation now you can
44:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: start warming them up to it but still you would probably just announce it
44:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well speaking of release dates grave seasons have made a grave error they're delaying their game but
44:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they have announced a new release date don't do that don't do that so it's now coming out in march
44:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: march 9th 2027 and they say the truth of the matter is porting a game to consoles is tough
44:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: especially when it's your first major title we've learned a lot about the process and we tackled
45:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: some very important changes to our game that helped optimize it for controllers and consoles
45:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: such as a radio menu to give you ease of access and a button that you
45:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: can hold down to rotate on farming plots extra time has meant we've optimized the game so it
45:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will run well on the switch yay and also on an even wider range of computer specs um yeah don't
45:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't announce a release date when you're having like this is it's a constant thing and I say this
45:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all the time especially if you're porting a game to consoles do not announce a release date unless
45:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's ready unless you know you can release on that date unless you could release tomorrow do not tell
45:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: as when it's coming out
45:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because they're just going to have to delay it again.
45:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, it just, you know that there are problems.
45:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You know it's a difficult thing to do.
45:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You know you've not managed it this time.
45:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: What makes you think you're going to manage it
45:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for your next arbitrary deadline?
45:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's not going to happen.
45:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And even if it does,
45:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you'll be the rare one that manages it, right?
45:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, this is, don't announce release dates.
45:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Don't do it.
45:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, also, it seems so it's releasing multiple platforms, right?
46:03
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And they said that they're extra time for meant for running well to switch.
46:08
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I think that makes sense.
46:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's a different platform and even a wider range of computer specs.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But if you look at the system requirements, they just says it just requires a 64-bit processor.
46:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah I just I feel like you'd I get that I get that people are new to certain parts
46:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I was just kind of strange that they don't even, like, list out the requirements.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of game development right like not everybody knows all these things but it cannot be a surprise
46:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the game development is hard it cannot be a surprise that things take longer than people
46:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: expect. Games are
46:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Games are always delayed. People
46:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: seem to think that they are going to be the unique
46:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: one that's special and they don't
46:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: have delays.
46:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's going to take longer than you expect.
46:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's development.
46:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Software development in general takes
47:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: longer than you expect. And game
47:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: development in particular is
47:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: harder than other software development
47:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because there's so many different things
47:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that can go wrong. I do web
47:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: development and even that's hard and that's just
47:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: buttons. Button does
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: things. I don't have to deal with physics
47:15
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: .
47:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and it's already hard enough.
47:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Just stop being optimistic.
47:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You're not going to be the ones that manage to do this
47:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: better than other people.
47:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Just make the game.
47:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I get it's hard because it's hard to build up hype for games
47:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: when you don't have a release date.
47:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But the problem is that if you constantly delay,
47:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that makes people frustrated as well.
47:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, and I guess at least they didn't do the thing where they just release on one platform and delay the other, but I don't even know if that's going to be better or worse.
47:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah i'm i'm always mixed on that I get why people complain about that but also like maybe
47:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's better you have the game out somewhere I don't know they're also it doesn't sound like
47:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they're actually ready to release on steam either because they said we're content uh finished but
48:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we're polishing and fixing up bugs there's going to be a big bug that takes them ages to fix right
48:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like these things are not the best way is they called this this post grave seasons launch date
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah, just scrolling through the...
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: final final V2 for real
48:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's just asking for a
48:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: another delay right like
48:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: come on you're tempting
48:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fate stop it what is it
48:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with developers and
48:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stressing me out about
48:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: these things all right
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: next up speaking of
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: release dates like your
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: frontier have announced
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: their 1.0 is coming out in
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the 4th of November I
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: actually believe them
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because that's only a
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: month away I think if
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're announcing if you're
48:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: announcing a release date
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about a month away I
48:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: think your game's probably
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ready to go you're
48:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: probably just because I
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: think that is the ideal way
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to do it is you get the
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game ready and then you
48:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: give yourself about a
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: month of hype release hype
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then it means if
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's any final last
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: minute things that you
48:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: notice then you can do
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that but don't go like
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah don't assume it's
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: going to be fine give
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yourself about a month
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but be ready right your
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game needs to be ready
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: when you announce the
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: release date
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well that's the thing
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's worked for Nintendo.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Recently, they've been just announcing their games.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: think about the amount
49:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of negative press they
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: got on games they
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: announced and then
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: dates
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well maybe I mean
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: They learned their lesson.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Pokemon
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, actually, they've learned for the most part,
49:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what are they doing
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: not every aspect.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: no I think you're right
49:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in general they are very
49:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: good at that now they
49:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will just announce a game
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: when it's ready and
49:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they'll tell you when it's
49:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: coming out and then it'll
49:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: come out on that game
49:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: let's ignore Animal
49:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Crossing's New Horizons
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know why I gave it
49:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a plural there it's not
49:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Animal Crossing's
49:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Animal Crossing. She
49:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: should be Animals Crossing.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, animals, animals.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Which is that?
49:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So, do you know about the...
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know whether you know, I'm just, like,
49:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it feels like you like different languages.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Any idea why it's Animal Crossing?
49:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, do we know what the translation...
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Is that the literal translation?
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Let's have a look.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Um, I'm not sure actually. I don't know. I've never never come across that theory yet
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, what is the Animal Crossing meant to be?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I guess is it the well, what was the?
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: The first game was the n64 one, right? I
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So it looks like the literal translation of the Japanese name is Animal Forest.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That makes sense.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Why? Crossing.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So the English title signifies the interaction or crossing paths between a human player
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and a community of anthropomorphic animal villagers.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: No, I don't like, I don't, yeah, no, that's very unsatisfying.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, when I think of crossing, I think of like a very busy intersection, not the literal crossing of humans and animals.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Someone online says crossing is often used in the names of villages, towns, forests in the US.
50:55
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: never come across a town that's
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: like crossing
50:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I have seen like you know strip malls
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: or plazas that named crossing
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but not like
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: a town or a village
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Well, Vincent, you are now American, so you have to speak for all Americans. That's how it works, right?
51:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: oh that's true
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's going to be definitive
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: there's like one
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: nearby it's called like
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: crossing in its name
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and it's like a shopping
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: center with like a movie theater
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and a bunch of stores and what not
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I guess that is kind of like a center of community there kind of like the idea behind
51:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: animal crossing all right I don't I don't like it but at least there's something there
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, I guess I could see that.
51:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: animal forest would have been good why not just that
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, it still conveys the same meaning,
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: who let the americans decide on the name there come on that's bad
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but I don't know why they changed it.
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Maybe-- yeah.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah probably uh yes that's like your frontier coming on the fourth of them
51:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I'm going to assume it's the Nintendo of America
51:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that did the translations there.
51:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: november Meadgard having its their early access is coming out in november just november okay cool
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I i yeah well that's the thing I don't know why you would do this why you would do this whole big
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's a month away.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: thing of like oh it's coming out in november but not give us a date like that sounds to me like
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're not ready like november
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it's yeah they're very eerie where they're like oh all right we'll we'll see um how um
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: how uh hype I don't know I guess they want to say oh is zelda gonna take up a lot of space
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: we want to release in between yeah we might be busy yeah we have I think everything it's gonna be
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I think if you have to worry about that don't release in november
52:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right like that's you know also we have dates for both of those games now so
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so I don't yeah what are you waiting for uh they originally weren't going to be releasing
52:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: everything big
52:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: in November
52:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: should have a
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in early access so what they say is we want to bring mead guards to its full potential and
52:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for all our players early access gives us the opportunity to build upon what we've created
53:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so far continue listening to your feedback and shape mead guard to do something we can
53:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all be proud of hey you can do that without early access as well just just saying like
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, oh wait, so was it originally they were supposed to release, they were supposed to not do early access and now they're saying, oh, it's going to come sooner than expected, but it's early access.
53:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
53:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they haven't explicitly said it's earlier because they don't think they had a release date previously
53:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but that is certainly the implication I suspect it's more
53:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think what happens sometimes with games is as we've talked about development is slower than you
53:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: expect and so they get to the point where they're like oh we kind of wanted to release this year but
53:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we're not ready oh you know what let's do early access
53:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah it's the break
53:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: No, there's always the early access button.
53:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: break glass in case of early access I yeah it just okay we've talked about it we've talked about
53:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: early access we've we've heard opinions we've had opinions all right next pathless woods it's been
54:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: 21 months since our last update on the default branch during that first of all that's way too
54:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: inside baseball just say our last update right like nobody no most people don't care about your beta
54:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: branches right go away during that time we tried every avenue we could to find a way to keep working
54:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we're sorry for the long wait and grateful that you're still here uh yeah they're releasing a
54:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: major update um which for some reason they decided to call 0.6.1.7 it's very catchy
54:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Why not just come up with like if it's such a major update, come up with a nice marketing name for it?
54:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
54:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And, you know, 21 months with no updates on an early access game.
54:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: People definitely would have thought this was dead by now.
54:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But 21 months is nearly two years.
54:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I mean, it kind of shows, you can see here that the all time peak was over 1800 players and the 24 hour peak is just 76.
54:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Two years is a long early access full stop.
55:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all reviews is mostly positive recent reviews mostly negative
55:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this has not gone down well this update I don't think
55:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
55:14
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, what's the recent reviews anyways?
55:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Like, how recent are the recent reviews,
55:21
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: given there's no updates?
55:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: uh recent reviews it's last 13
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay.
55:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - Hmm.
55:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a week and a bit ago.
55:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: There's a lot of reviews about technical issues
55:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and complaints and glitches.
55:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah there's some people complaining about the flow in the game and some glitches and some
55:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stuff like that but yeah it's uh someone posted a year ago let this game cook for a few more years
56:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, well, they've taken advice to heart.
56:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah it's it's just interesting how 80 of overall reviews are positive but 38 of the last month's
56:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: are positive now granted the last month has only had 13 reviews so maybe that's just a but that that
56:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: sounds to me like there's been an issue in the in the latest update with people talking about
56:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, or the ones that are playing are the hardcore ones that are like, okay, I'm going to use it as a way to give my feedback to the developers.
56:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, hopefully this update fixes a lot of the issues.
56:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It sounds like there's also a lot of just like, you know, runs poorly type of reviews.
56:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah. So it looks like, it looks like they stopped development in April of 2025 or slightly before
56:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that. I'm trying to, and that was a year into early access. And then they were silent for a
57:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: year. Their studio ran out of funds at the end of 2024. And then April of this year, they announced
57:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that they're back, but this is their first big update since then. So yeah, I don't know. It sounds
57:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like people really like
57:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the game
57:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like what the game
57:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: could be
57:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but most people are saying
57:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: maybe don't play it
57:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just now
57:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: maybe wait till 1.0
57:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which is
57:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is never great
57:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well
57:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: game development's hard
57:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, that's the general vibe I'm getting to from just reading.
57:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I once heard someone say
57:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they try
57:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: try to be positive
57:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on on games
57:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because what they say is
57:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's a miracle
57:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that any game
57:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: ever gets made
57:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because of how hard
57:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and this was a game developer
57:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: talking
57:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because of just how
57:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: how complicated games are
57:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and so I tried to be
57:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a bit more positive
57:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on these things
57:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
57:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: next up
57:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh farm to table
57:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: their major update
57:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: number one
57:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: uh
57:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it adds a bunch of stuff
57:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but there's only one thing
57:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I care about
57:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and that's controller support
57:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: woo
57:59
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Woo!
57:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: finally
58:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there you go
58:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: should have been in
58:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the first version
58:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: also they say
58:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a better steam deck experience
58:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
58:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: controller support
58:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will make it better
58:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on the steam deck
58:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and there's a lot of other things
58:11
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - Oh yeah.
58:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in the update as well
58:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but they're only really things
58:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you
58:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you'd care about
58:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you played the game
58:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's the news
58:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we've also got three new games
58:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that we're going to talk about
58:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and just
58:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I want to just say this
58:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just now listeners
58:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this
58:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I cut out a lot of news
58:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because there was so much news
58:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so
58:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm just warning you
58:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: we might also have
58:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a lot of news next week
58:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and if a lot of news
58:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: comes out this week
58:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I might need to do
58:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a news only episode
58:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the week after
58:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to catch up
58:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because
58:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for some reason
58:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this is the time
58:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for everybody to talk about games
58:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know why
58:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's October
58:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's not June
58:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right? June's the time to talk
58:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about all your games. Not October.
58:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is meant to be the quiet time.
58:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, I think now is the time where like a lot of the either get your games out now before the busy holiday season, or if you're not going to make your release this year, announce it now that you're pushing off.
59:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: There's not much for 2026 left.
59:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So all your 2026 release dates are going to get announced.
59:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, yeah, but most of these were not most of these were not delayed
59:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, or I guess they want to get it out before the busy holiday or before November kicks off.
59:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah that's true that's true all right our first new game is animo I think it's meant to be
59:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pronounced uh any any because i'm guessing it's meant to be like anime monsters animo
59:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: maybe I don't know i'm gonna go with animo animo is a free-to-play next-gen creature-catching
59:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: amiibo, but with N and M.
59:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: open-world rpg please put more words in that description explore the vast continent of idol
59:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: twine with unique animo unlock new abilities travel to a sky-floating metropolis meet other
59:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pathfinders and battle in exciting competitions choose your animo and begin your epic journey
1:00:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this game has 23 000 reviews on steam how have I not heard of this before so this was sent in by
1:00:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: listener jack thank you for letting us know about this game I don't know how this is so big and i
1:00:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: only just heard about it it came out in the middle of september had you heard of it
1:00:19
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I have not as well.
1:00:20
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I'm looking through this.
1:00:21
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: There's a lot of reviews and a lot of players for this game,
1:00:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but I have not heard about this as well.
1:00:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It has a very Palworld-y vibe.
1:00:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I was going to say it feels like a kid-friendly Palworld, right?
1:00:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, it's like, and this is going to sound so stupid,
1:00:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it feels like Palworld without the guns,
1:00:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which is going to sound stupid to people who are like,
1:00:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but isn't Palworld just Pokemon with guns?
1:00:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But it's not.
1:00:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: We all know that it's not.
1:00:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's more than that.
1:00:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's much more crafting and focused.
1:00:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But this feels much more like the graphics definitely feel Palworld-y,
1:00:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and it feels like that's what they're trying to do,
1:01:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: without the kind of gun, the violent.
1:01:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Well, it's still violence.
1:01:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's creature collecting, so there's battles,
1:01:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it's not the same thing as just giving your creature a gun.
1:01:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, okay, what if we make it more, yeah, take out the controversy of the guns? I mean, they have, like, they're still, the design, I mean, I don't want to say the design looks similar, I want to say it's, you know, there's only so many ways to design creatures, but, you know, you got your, what looks like evolutions, you got your types, you know.
1:01:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's not even the creature designs right like I i find the creature design thing yeah tired i'm so
1:01:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: bored of people like oh this this pal looks like a pokemon I don't care right no they both look
1:01:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like whales shut up um it's more like the the world and the the character design it just there's
1:01:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I mean I guess it's maybe the kind of like 3d anime style they're doing maybe they're both
1:01:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just similar because they're both designing off the same sort of idea um but that's exactly what
1:01:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I call it.
1:01:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Um, there is farming in this game, so there we go, but, uh, it's free to play, so there's
1:02:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that.
1:02:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Is it an MMO or I guess, or is it like a gacha?
1:02:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it, I think it is an MMO, because it's tagged as multiplayer and open world, so maybe,
1:02:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: maybe?
1:02:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They didn't say that in the description, though, let me read the longer description.
1:02:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm enjoying the fact that they just throw this fluffy looking sheep and it turns into
1:02:28
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah. Oh, there are some, going down to the reviews, there are some mentions of, well, some mentions of AI use, but more concerningly, some security risks are being flagged in the reviews. I don't know how legitimate these are, but.
1:02:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Let's see, breaks GDPR by putting data collection on your PC that survives uninstall. They do not disclose anti-cheat, but they use kernel level anti-cheat.
1:02:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, fun.
1:02:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
1:02:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Ah, so it won't even work on my Steam Deck then.
1:03:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It does say, no, it says on Steam Deck,
1:03:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on the Steam page, it does say
1:03:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: uses kernel level anti-cheat.
1:03:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, or maybe this is an old one.
1:03:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Maybe they just updated it.
1:03:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, no, this is October 2nd.
1:03:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Requires manual removal after game uninstall.
1:03:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh boy.
1:03:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It says it's playable on the Steam Deck,
1:03:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but I thought there was no kernel level anti-cheat on there.
1:03:20
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: That's what I thought, too.
1:03:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Let's see, their compatibility is playable.
1:03:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Some functionality is not accessible
1:03:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: when using the default controller.
1:03:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It requires using the touchscreen or a virtual keyboard.
1:03:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Shows mouse, keyboard, or non-Steam Deck controller icons.
1:03:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Entering some text requires manually
1:03:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: invoking the on-screen keyboard.
1:03:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Some in-game text is small.
1:03:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: The game has minor graphics display issues on Steam Deck.
1:03:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: All functionality is accessible
1:03:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: when using the default controller configuration.
1:03:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, and it has a platinum rating on ProtonDB, so.
1:03:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This game's default graphics performed well.
1:03:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, that was an interesting thing.
1:03:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I was scrolling through the reviews.
1:03:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah. Okay. Interesting. I don't know how I feel about this game in general.
1:04:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, and also that I somehow slipped under my radar, which I think I feel like this would be within both of our radars.
1:04:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, I'll keep an eye on it for sure. And I guess we'll see how it continues. If nothing else for the discourse. I will say I think it will be difficult to find the time to slot this into my world because, again, RPG difficult.
1:04:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I'm not even going to pretend to, you know, be like, oh, I'm going to play this soon.
1:04:36
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: This is a keep on my radar until it actually gets big enough that makes me want to play it.
1:04:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah uh have you played Palworld yet
1:04:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I i don't think it's going to get any bigger so I think what you mean is put it on a list of
1:04:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: That is also still on my backlog.
1:04:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
1:04:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: games that you'll probably never play um it's definitely got the like throwing of capturing
1:04:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes.
1:05:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: balls at the creatures as well it's like there's a lot similar I don't know what they're throwing at
1:05:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, there's the one GIF on its theme page where someone throws a ball of sheep looking and it just rolls around and just collects other sheep.
1:05:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah all right so that's out now um next up we have another game that we're going to have to
1:05:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: debate the name the pronunciation nivalis nights nivalis nights nivalis I never think about
1:05:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and Nivea
1:05:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pronunciations until i'm actually recording I do a lot of looking into these games before the
1:05:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: podcast recording and I never think to
1:05:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: try a pronunciation
1:05:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: grow your business
1:05:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: manage restaurants and nightclubs make
1:05:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: friends and enemies buy and decorate
1:05:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: apartments go fishing and maybe even
1:05:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: find love in a cyberpunk city
1:06:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that stretches from the ocean to the clouds
1:06:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah it's
1:06:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: restaurant cyberpunk
1:06:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting.
1:06:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I do like me some cyberpunk aesthetic,
1:06:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but interesting there's fishing involved as well.
1:06:15
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I guess I see now there's like water.
1:06:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: even dystopias have water most of the time except uh oh it's idiocracy they didn't have water
1:06:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah, I guess.
1:06:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: well no I guess they did eventually have water it's just they didn't understand it
1:06:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because they did event because event yeah what's the main character did eventually get them to
1:06:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: switch from watering crops with water have you have you watched the film
1:06:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Not sure.
1:06:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, yeah.
1:06:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, I just know what they call him.
1:06:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Not sure.
1:06:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't remember his real name.
1:06:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh yes sorry yes sorry it's been so long since i've watched it I didn't even get your joke
1:06:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yes good point all right um I don't think i'm particularly interested in this one
1:06:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah.
1:07:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: cyberpunk is fine as an aesthetic but i've never really been that interested
1:07:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I think the cyberpunk sounds like the cyberpunk aesthetic is probably the big
1:07:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: differentiating factor of this between this and a lot of other games that are
1:07:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all right our final new game is Seikyu Let's Go why are all the new games words that we have to try
1:07:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and guess how to pronounce Seikyu so this is um a spin-off of Tales of Seikyu which is uh um oh what's
1:07:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Seq, Seq, Seq, Saqq?
1:07:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the word uh give me two seconds I need to go up onto the game to remember the word that i'm looking
1:07:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for they don't have the word that i'm looking for um what is the pokemon like that uh has the
1:07:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's like a japanese type of creature
1:07:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's a pokemon like that has this word in its name and it's a name that is used in japanese for
1:07:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - The Pokemon game?
1:07:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a specific type of creature that's like a spirit
1:08:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yokai that's yokai is what i'm looking for yeah so this is the game where you like transform into
1:08:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: - Temtem, Yokai, watch.
1:08:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: different yokai um you shapeshift and that's how you do your different things anyway that that this is
1:08:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not that game
1:08:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a spin-off of that game
1:08:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so this is
1:08:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Seikyu Let's Go
1:08:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which is a spin-off of
1:08:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Tales of Seikyu
1:08:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so what they say is
1:08:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Let's Go is set
1:08:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: also Let's Go
1:08:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: come on this is
1:08:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: why is this Pokemon
1:08:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Let's Go is set in the same world
1:08:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you love and adore
1:08:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a one to four player co-op
1:08:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: camper van trip
1:08:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: through the yokai filled
1:08:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh the word was in the description
1:08:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh.
1:08:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: through the yokai filled wilderness
1:08:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: snap photos of elusive creatures
1:08:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: decorate your
1:08:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: van together and
1:08:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: help the locals you
1:08:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: meet along the way
1:08:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: camp cook and
1:08:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: clamber across
1:08:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: diverse biomes from
1:08:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: misty swamps to
1:08:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: snowy mountains
1:08:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: adventure awaits so
1:08:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: let's go
1:08:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what I find really
1:09:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: funny about this is
1:09:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the the graphics are
1:09:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just like completely
1:09:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: different from tales of
1:09:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: psyche like tales of
1:09:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: psyche is like kind
1:09:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of kind of breath of
1:09:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the wildy kind of
1:09:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: almost realistic type
1:09:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: graphics and this is
1:09:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like cartoon
1:09:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: silliness like i
1:09:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: don't I don't
1:09:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: understand how this
1:09:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is meant to be a
1:09:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: spin-off it's like
1:09:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: completely it's
1:09:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I know it's a bit of a very jarring to go back if you go back and forth between the two.
1:09:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
1:09:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It reminds me of, have you played like Peak?
1:09:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: uh I haven't played it but i'm aware of it
1:09:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
1:09:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I guess the character design reminds me of that.
1:09:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
1:09:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's like, you know, four players traveling and whatnot.
1:09:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah it's yeah I don't it's I when I saw that there was a spin-off of Tales of Seikyu I was not
1:09:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know if it's like, you know, it's not exactly the same, but it gives me the same vibes.
1:10:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: expecting this.
1:10:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's very odd.
1:10:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, and then this is also another one where it's released at Q4 2026, which, you know, not much of it left.
1:10:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
1:10:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: True, true.
1:10:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: All right.
1:10:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, weird.
1:10:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is, again, the same thing as the November releases.
1:10:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, why are you saying it's coming out in Q4?
1:10:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is Q4.
1:10:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, we're in Q4 already.
1:10:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This game's not coming out this year, right?
1:10:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, that's just asking to delay it till next year.
1:10:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: All right.
1:10:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: This is a long episode, and we've not even started talking about the main topic.
1:10:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, you're right.
1:10:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: All right.
1:10:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: We're talking about augmented reality, virtual reality.
1:10:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Some people say mixed reality.
1:10:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I hate the term, but maybe that's what we're having to move to instead of augmented reality.
1:10:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: People don't like the word.
1:10:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know.
1:10:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Whatever.
1:10:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Let's talk about the Steam frame first up, because we both got it.
1:10:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, you got it maybe a week and a half ago?
1:11:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I think I was in the first batch of Steam Frames that were released.
1:11:08
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So I got lucky with the reservation queue.
1:11:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Which is funny because I got the email saying I was in the reservation queue before you got yours, but you got the actual ability to purchase before I did.
1:11:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: What did I want to say?
1:11:17
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes.
1:11:22
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I got the...
1:11:23
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, so it's probably a week and a half ago now.
1:11:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So yeah, I've been enjoying it a lot.
1:11:28
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You know, it's my first venture into owning
1:11:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: a VR system.
1:11:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And I would say, you know, so far, so good.
1:11:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And this is your first headset that you've owned, but you've tried other ones?
1:11:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I've tried other ones, you know, like I tried Oculus or MetaQuest.
1:11:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't remember specifically which one, but I've tried before, you know, at, like,
1:11:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Friends House and whatnot and, you know, at other, like, activations or whatnot where,
1:11:51
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: like, you do VR experiences.
1:11:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I've done those, but not owning a VR headset.
1:11:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah whereas I had the quest two and then I got the quest I upgraded to the quest three a
1:12:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: couple of years ago um so I guess I can compare it a bit to that um in terms of one thing to bear
1:12:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in mind is I don't have my I do have my ergonomic uh set but it only came yesterday so i've not set
1:12:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: default headset is much nicer to than the quest's default headset and it'll be interesting to see
1:12:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: how the ergonomic one is um because I got the the ergonomic one for the quest as well because
1:12:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the these headsets are heavy on your head let's just put it that way and I i don't they can move
1:12:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: around with the default straps um but because the steam frame has like this pad on the back that has
1:12:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it has some of the battery in it.
1:12:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I think all the battery is actually back there.
1:12:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Is it all of it? Okay.
1:12:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I thought it was just some of it.
1:12:59
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Or maybe some, I'm not sure.
1:13:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But because of that, it's much less front heavy.
1:13:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: The Quest, both the two and the three, they're entirely on the front.
1:13:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So it's like pulls down your head.
1:13:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Interestingly, I found that you start off getting a really sore neck,
1:13:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but after a while, your muscles just kind of deal with it
1:13:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you stop getting the sore neck.
1:13:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I think this is a much better kind of distributed weight.
1:13:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: However, I do want, I'll be interested to see how the ergonomic strap is
1:13:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because I find it slips a little bit still with the default one.
1:13:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So hopefully the ergonomic,
1:13:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because the ergonomic one has the strip on the top of,
1:13:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, so I got the VR, I got the headset, and then my ergonomic kit also came like two days afterwards.
1:13:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And I would say when I first tried on just the headset itself, it felt fine for me.
1:13:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I was like, you know, oh, this works great.
1:13:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know why other people were complaining about this.
1:14:00
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But then once I actually tried the ergonomic headset, I was like, okay, now I understand.
1:14:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah it's much better I say that I haven't actually used it but in my experience of previous
1:14:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, it definitely helps a lot.
1:14:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, it doesn't slip.
1:14:11
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
1:14:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: headsets the ergonomic um strap has been better um I think it's I don't know how how i'm gonna
1:14:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like this compared to the quests one because the quests um ergonomic strap has this thing at the
1:14:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: back which you twist to tighten it on your head which I really like um it's like a really nice and
1:14:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: easy, um, thing, um,
1:14:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and this one, this, just having a quick look
1:14:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: at this, this does not have, um,
1:14:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in the same way, so I, I don't know how I'm
1:14:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: going to feel about it, but we'll, I'll need to try
1:14:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it out and see, um, but I
1:14:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will, I will say, though, the default
1:14:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: strap, much easier for tightening than
1:14:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the Quest's default strap, but
1:14:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not as good as the Quest's ergonomic
1:14:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: strap.
1:14:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes. And then does the Quest Organic Restrap, is it just for the headset or does it have anything for the controllers as well?
1:15:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: no that's just yeah it's just the headset there's nothing so it'll be interesting to see how they
1:15:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: feel because you've got a lot the extra hand straps for the thing I don't personally find
1:15:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that i've had any issues with the controllers both on this and and the quest that need the
1:15:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: straps but it might be like you with the the ergonomic strap where you're like okay I see
1:15:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: why this is good then um if I if I try it out so i'll need to try that um
1:15:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I was not a believer in the hand strap as well. I got it. I got the ergonomic package just because, you know, people were saying, oh, it's actually, you know, it makes a difference at least from the reviews that I watched. So I was like, okay, you know, it's 60 bucks. I'm already down a grand on this. What's another 60 bucks worth, right?
1:15:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
1:15:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But, you know, I've been converted on both the head strap and the hand straps in the ergonomic pack. I'd say those are major upgrades I was goes for.
1:15:55
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: As far as to say that those should probably be included in the base package.
1:15:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, yeah, it's 100% is just to reduce the price.
1:16:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
1:16:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Which is probably the reason it doesn't have a charger in it as well.
1:16:09
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes.
1:16:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But I don't care because, I mean, who is buying a £1,000 Steam frame
1:16:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and doesn't already have a charger?
1:16:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Especially the charger is identical to the Steam Deck charger.
1:16:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So it's like, is anybody buying this and doesn't have a Steam Deck?
1:16:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, if you're buying it, especially a niche product like this, you probably already have 10 of these lying around the house.
1:16:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah. Come on.
1:16:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I get when people are like, oh, yeah, but I'm spending £1,000, I want a charger.
1:16:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's like, okay, sure, but you wouldn't be spending £1,000 if you get the charger as well.
1:16:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's not how this works.
1:16:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They're making it cheaper by not including it.
1:16:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Now, maybe they're not making it the whole amount cheaper.
1:16:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Maybe it wouldn't be the price of the charger on top of it.
1:16:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But, you know, there are so many more things to complain about capitalism,
1:16:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: complaining about your device not including a charger when you already have a million of them
1:17:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: really doesn't feel like the thing to complain about personally.
1:17:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think complain about the other things that capitalism is ruining.
1:17:11
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah.
1:17:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But you can complain about what you want.
1:17:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm not stopping you.
1:17:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Complain about what you want.
1:17:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I just think it's a bit silly.
1:17:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: In terms of controllers, they're almost identical to the Quest's ones.
1:17:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I was just grabbing them both so I can look at them next to each other.
1:17:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So on the...
1:17:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They're not...
1:17:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I say they're almost identical.
1:17:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They're almost identical in kind of shape.
1:17:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So the Steam Deck one is slightly bigger.
1:17:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It also has a D-pad on the left, which the Quest one doesn't.
1:17:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And it has extra triggers.
1:17:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So the Quest one just has two triggers.
1:17:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: One on the front and one on the side.
1:17:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Whereas the Steam one has two on the front, one on the side.
1:17:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So it's an extra trigger on each hand.
1:17:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Plus the D-pad.
1:18:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think two extra buttons on the right.
1:18:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So the Quest has just an A and a B.
1:18:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But on the left, it has X and Y.
1:18:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Whereas the Quest has all four of those on one side.
1:18:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So it's...
1:18:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think the only things extra this one has are the D-pad and the two extra triggers.
1:18:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But because of that, the layout is slightly different.
1:18:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But it makes it...
1:18:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It feels more natural to me because it's like essentially the Steam Deck.
1:18:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Layout, but split.
1:18:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I think it sounds like really just the MetaQuest
1:18:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: controllers is meant purely for VR,
1:18:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: whereas this one is meant for, OK, you can use new VR,
1:18:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but you also use it in--
1:18:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe that's why it is.
1:18:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I haven't tried it yet, but I would
1:18:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: suspect you can use these as just regular controllers.
1:18:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You can. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you open up a game that isn't a VR game, it just opens it up in a window and you, it switches to like game pad mode where you're just, all of your inputs are affecting the game and you have to like aim outside of the box to come out.
1:19:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:19:06
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, no, if you want to pair this with a computer, for example, and just use this.
1:19:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh right I don't know why you would do that
1:19:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I don't know it's going to be interesting to me to see how the continues because I guess the
1:19:12
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know either, but I'm assuming you can.
1:19:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: biggest drawback I find on the quest is the the vr software itself it's quite limited in what you
1:19:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: can do with different things um and like it doesn't have any as far as I can see
1:19:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: by default it doesn't have any of like the the non-gaming stuff like you can go into desktop
1:19:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: mode and do stuff there but like the sort of stuff is like oh let's just open up netflix on the side
1:19:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: or something like that you can't really do that just now and I wonder if they're going to lean into
1:19:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that because I think they might want to do that to expand the scope of who would want to buy one of
1:20:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: these, kind of like your Apple Vision types
1:20:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stuff of mirroring
1:20:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: your computer and or, you know, putting
1:20:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a video on the side or
1:20:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: browsing photos, that sort of stuff
1:20:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and that sort of stuff they could do quite easily
1:20:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because
1:20:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's running on
1:20:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on SteamOS
1:20:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there's a lot of, they've done the hard
1:20:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: work of the virtual reality
1:20:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: experience that runs Windows
1:20:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of applications
1:20:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they can then expand that a bit more
1:20:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: quite easily with a lot of apps that will
1:20:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: already exist on Linux
1:20:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
1:20:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, and they have the translation layer, too, for, you know, the running Android apps on Linux.
1:20:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So, yeah, I'm hoping I haven't dabbled too much into that yet.
1:20:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I went into desktop mode.
1:20:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I played around with it, but, you know, just because not having a keyboard makes things kind of difficult.
1:20:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Although that's changed now that you know you can SSH into it.
1:21:02
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, yes, definitely.
1:21:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I also suspect you can probably connect a keyboard via Bluetooth.
1:21:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, you definitely can, but it's more, you know...
1:21:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I mean, I can touch type, but it's just like you're going to have your hands on the controllers and hands on the keyboard makes it.
1:21:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that's true that's true yeah yeah it's all things like that that they don't support that like things
1:21:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I mean the quest doesn't either right the quest does some of those things like it supports
1:21:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: browser web browser and it supports a few kind of like youtube and stuff like that
1:21:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: um but it doesn't do the things that say the apple vision plus does where you've got
1:21:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like it the apple vision plus is quite good in that it will can it can tell where your keyboard
1:21:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is and it will like show that even when you're in vr and
1:21:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and stuff like that and obviously it's designed around productivity so there's a lot more features
1:21:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: around the multi-window stuff and apps and stuff like that but I i just it'll be interesting to see
1:21:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because when the steam deck came out it was very limited and there was a bunch of stuff that was
1:21:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: missing but it has steadily improved and it improved very quickly to start with and then it slowed down
1:22:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a bit but that's because like people kind of stopped needing new things or wanting new things
1:22:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so it kind of just trundled along.
1:22:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And I wonder if this will do the same thing.
1:22:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Obviously, this is not their first VR headset.
1:22:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: But because it's the first standalone one, I think a lot of this stuff is new.
1:22:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Because previously, it was like you connected to your computer for the game.
1:22:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like you weren't sitting in your, I can't remember what they were called.
1:22:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, was it the index?
1:22:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, that's right. The Valve Index. You weren't popping on your index to, you know, play a game on a big screen.
1:22:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You were popping on to play the VR games and that was it.
1:22:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So I think all of this kind of SteamOS VR, I think, is all new to this headset.
1:22:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So there's a lot of room for improvement and hopefully they will move quickly with that, as we have seen them do multiple times.
1:23:00
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes. And if not, I think the community is probably, since at the end of the day, it is just a computer in the form factor of a VR headset, I think the community could pick up a lot of slack as well, if not.
1:23:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah I hope so and things it feels like it's a lot easier to kind of do custom things than the
1:23:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: meta quest was because the meta quest was very much locked down it was like your traditional
1:23:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: console whereas this is very much like the steam deck but on your face right which as we've discussed
1:23:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: before I personally think there's okay let me go back a bit there's a big problem in consoles versus
1:23:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: PC, where console
1:23:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: are generally good
1:23:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because they're locked down
1:23:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I know that sounds silly but
1:23:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the reason why I think that
1:23:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: generally makes consoles good is because they have
1:23:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: very limited experiences which
1:23:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: means that they put all the focus on how
1:23:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: those experiences feel and everything
1:23:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you do on it then is quite good
1:23:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on PC because
1:24:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you have everything that's possible,
1:24:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: everything is more difficult
1:24:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but what I've found is that
1:24:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: SteamOS has done a really
1:24:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: good job of managing
1:24:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to do both where
1:24:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if you don't want to do complex
1:24:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: things you don't have to and almost everything
1:24:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that you need to do on it is
1:24:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a really nice experience
1:24:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but you can also then go
1:24:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: into I want to do
1:24:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: crazy stuff mode and
1:24:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: then you can do whatever you want and it's
1:24:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: more awkward and more complicated but
1:24:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you can do it and it doesn't make the simple stuff
1:24:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: more difficult
1:24:35
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I agree.
1:24:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: whereas when
1:24:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I forget what is your
1:24:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: handheld situations
1:24:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, right now it's mainly just I have a Steam Deck and then I have a few other, you know, emulation devices that I don't use as much, but no, no, no, it's just a Steam Deck.
1:24:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right okay you don't have a windows handheld then because I i have the the ally the ROG Ally X
1:24:57
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: specifically um which is the one with windows on it although I dual boot it with steam os and
1:25:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: steam os is what I play most of the time and and and windows whatever this version of windows is i
1:25:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: can't remember what they call it it is it's it's really bad right because it's still windows and
1:25:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they haven't created
1:25:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like they've created this
1:25:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: visual experience over the top of windows whereas steam os is like yes it's a visual experience over
1:25:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: linux but it's not it's it's an entire it's the entire thing you have to like switch into desktop
1:25:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: mode which is your traditional linux desktop whereas windows is like windows is running
1:25:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: including the entire ui in the background and then it has this ui on top of it
1:25:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and that means
1:25:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that because they're relying
1:25:50
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on that there's a lot of stuff
1:25:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that ends up being it just
1:25:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: pops up a Windows window
1:25:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you're like I'm not on a
1:25:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: computer why are you showing me a window
1:26:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with like
1:26:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: minimize maximize close
1:26:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: controls this is not what I should be seeing
1:26:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on a handheld gaming console
1:26:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: whereas SteamOS doesn't
1:26:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: do that sort of stuff it is
1:26:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: very rare unless you're
1:26:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: specifically trying to do complicated stuff
1:26:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in desktop mode
1:26:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it is very rare
1:26:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that you would see anything
1:26:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like some games
1:26:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: will load up
1:26:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in a windowed mode
1:26:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but there's very few
1:26:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of them I've found like that
1:26:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I think this is
1:26:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the same sort of thing
1:26:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with SteamOS VR
1:26:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where it feels like
1:26:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they've put the same
1:26:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: amount of thought
1:26:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: into how the experience works
1:26:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I haven't encountered
1:26:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a oh that's a weird
1:26:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: looking window
1:26:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is very shocking that, yeah, definitely, Valve has locked in that UX, UI, like separation of, you know, okay, if you really want to just game, you don't want to worry about any of the Linux stuff and whatnot, you can go an entire, you can use a Steam Deck or a Steam Frame or SteamOS in general without even realizing that there's a whole, you know, Linux operating system behind it.
1:27:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You can just install the games and that's it, which...
1:27:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And the key point and the key point is that's the default that should be the default it has to be the default if you want it to be good, whereas Windows doesn't have that.
1:27:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, yeah, it is shocking how Microsoft hasn't locked that down yet.
1:27:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think it's because there's they don't want to the way that valve did it was there are just some
1:27:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: features you're just not going to have in that experience until we get them implemented whereas
1:27:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what microsoft have clearly done is if we don't specifically make it a feature it's going to be a
1:27:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: windows feature and it's just going to show you the windows thing and maybe we'll replace it at
1:27:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: some point they did the same thing with when they switched from um xp to vista when they started chain
1:27:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: how the ui looked you would sometimes have like control panel would just look like it was windows
1:28:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: xp and it would look completely out of place and obviously when they're doing that you can't just go
1:28:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh you're not going to have that feature and they didn't want to rewrite everything before they
1:28:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: released the version and that was the decision they made but it meant it felt not good whereas because
1:28:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: handheld gaming consoles are a relatively new thing you don't have to have all those features
1:28:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: to start with you can implement them as you go and especially because you have desktop mode
1:28:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: if there's something that isn't in there you can just go into desktop mode and do it if you really
1:28:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: care about it but the key things are there the features are there when you need them and I think
1:28:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the problem is that microsoft just aren't willing to do that they aren't willing to go this feature
1:28:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: doesn't exist unless you know where to get it and so that's why they have that so many situations
1:28:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where it's like we've not created this version in this ui therefore you just get the windows ui
1:28:55
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it just feels bad
1:28:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I've never, I haven't had the opportunity to use a Windows handheld yet. But yeah, just from what I've seen online, it's like where like a random pop up will just come on and or you have to go into Windows to do some certain settings and whatnot. It just does not sound like a good experience.
1:29:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it would just open up control panel again.
1:29:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And you're like, why am I?
1:29:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Like, the worst thing about the Windows handheld experience
1:29:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is settings, trying to figure out where settings are
1:29:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because there's like five different places
1:29:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where you can get settings.
1:29:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And one of them is just Windows control panel.
1:29:23
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, my God.
1:29:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I think that's just the Windows experience in general.
1:29:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:29:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: We're like, okay, so in settings, it's in control panel, where is it?
1:29:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Whereas if you want the settings on SteamOS,
1:29:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you go to the settings and they're all there.
1:29:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You have to figure out where the settings are
1:29:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: unless you're running like Bazzite or something,
1:29:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but that's your own problem.
1:29:46
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: If you're being complicated like that,
1:29:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: then you're asking for trouble.
1:29:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Well, at that point, if you're running on an operating system
1:29:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that you installed yourself, you probably
1:29:55
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: know what you're doing already, so yeah.
1:29:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: exactly exactly exactly but I do think they should do that better
1:29:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and they had Bazzite changed from I can't even remember what they have like an underlying
1:30:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: controller mapping layer and they changed which one they were using and it broke how my controllers
1:30:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: worked on my on my ally because I was using bazite because obviously it's it came with windows so i
1:30:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I had to install SteamOS in the easiest
1:30:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: way was just installing Bazzite
1:30:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because SteamOS isn't officially supported
1:30:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on my controller, on my
1:30:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: console yet
1:30:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but yeah, they just decided to change how it
1:30:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: worked and it broke my controller mapping
1:30:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so I had to fix that and that is
1:30:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh no!
1:30:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the worst thing and it's like no
1:30:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this is like being back on running
1:30:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Arch on my computer when you just
1:30:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: things just break underneath you and this
1:30:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is why SteamOS is just so good
1:30:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because they only do things when it's
1:30:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: actually working, they don't just like randomly
1:30:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: change these things from underneath you
1:30:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah
1:30:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, and they take their time with us, especially with a stable branch where they don't push out updates.
1:31:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: oh yeah, almost
1:31:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: almost too slow
1:31:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but no, no, no, definitely
1:31:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, oh yeah.
1:31:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: definitely, I think they're doing things
1:31:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: very well, so my point
1:31:10
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is I hope that they do that
1:31:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for the frame as well
1:31:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and that we see a good amount of
1:31:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: feature updates over the next
1:31:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you know, six months to a year
1:31:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I hope that they focus on
1:31:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: some of these more
1:31:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: kind of productivity-based
1:31:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: things because I would really love to be able to like stick on the headset and have my game
1:31:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and also be what like have some youtube videos on the side or something or like you know what i
1:31:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: really one thing that I love for these headsets is being able to watch videos in like imax mode
1:31:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: um because that's not something you can do normally and just being able to have this
1:31:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yes.
1:31:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: massive screen watch a film that you weren't able to watch at the cinema or whatever so I really hope
1:31:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: do that sort of thing.
1:31:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I do think they will try to do that, and the reason why I say that is because the main difference I've noticed between this and, you know, SteamOS on, like, if you install it on a PC or on a Steam Deck is that they made it much easier to switch to the desktop mode, or to the desktop, where it's just a shortcut.
1:32:15
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You don't have to, you know, power off and do, like, kind of like a semi-reboot. It is just there. So that makes me think that they could potentially lean into more, you know, non-gaming side of things.
1:32:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah we'll just have to see um I think most people probably shouldn't buy this yet
1:32:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not just because it's a thousand quid but because there's a lot they've they've they've not proven
1:32:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, definitely not. It's...
1:32:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: themselves yet um I think they have proven themselves with the steam deck um but I don't
1:32:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: think they've proven themselves with with with vr with uh steam os vr yet but hopefully they will
1:32:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and uh I am willing to be that game changer
1:32:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, overall, I would say the experience has been great, you know, especially just running games right on the, or directly on the frame.
1:33:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You know, I've, aside from Beat Saber, I've ran the gamut of, you know, your quote-unquote popular, easy-to-run indie games, like your Hades, Dave the Diver, Stardew Valley, those all seem to work great.
1:33:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I have not and I i don't know how well i'll be able to do that because I don't have a decent
1:33:14
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But have you tried streaming from a PC yet?
1:33:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: windows pc um I just have my mac which as far as i'm aware it doesn't support yet I haven't tried
1:33:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yet but the internet says it doesn't support it as of yet um but I don't know whether that's
1:33:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because the games just aren't supported on mac or whether it's because the dongle itself doesn't
1:33:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: work, but I haven't tried that yet.
1:33:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I literally got this arrived four days ago.
1:33:43
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I have tried streaming from a PC and I will say, from what I've seen, generally people
1:33:58
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: have had success streaming from the PC, but I've ran into some issues. I think it's
1:34:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so from what from what I can see if you don't use a usb 3.2 port that's when people seem to have
1:34:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: issues so anything 3.1 3.0 that's where people are having issues but if you have 3.2
1:34:19
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I think that's where I've run into the issue as well.
1:34:22
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know if it's like, you know, I think it is the USB issue because whenever I plug
1:34:29
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: it in, if I don't have it connected to the device, it just keeps, I keep getting a pop-up
1:34:36
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that like it's, you know, restarting itself, which I think is like a firmware issue.
1:34:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But also I'm not, I don't know if this is the thing, but I'm also, I'm not using a Windows
1:34:46
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: machine and that may be it as well.
1:34:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Because I do know that they did say that, you know, it does not officially support or
1:34:53
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the Steam machine is not officially supported yet.
1:34:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah I think yeah yeah but I think they'll they'll definitely get there with that whether
1:34:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And I think it may be like a, you know, Linux firmware issue.
1:35:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they get there with mac or not I don't know they'll definitely get there with with uh with
1:35:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: linux even if it even if you have to it has to be steam os though there's no way they won't get to
1:35:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with that like it's it's a bit silly that it's released without steam machine support but
1:35:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't think it's a big issue but it is of it is a bit silly that that's ended up how it is
1:35:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, I found some workarounds online, but the list of instructions is a little bit too big. I'm just going to wait for them to update.
1:35:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: even if there are legitimate reasons but
1:35:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah fair enough um all right uh I had beat saber on our list but we kind of talked about that
1:35:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I don't know if there's anything else you want to talk about
1:35:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: No, I think we went through all this.
1:35:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I just want to say I've been skeptical of Beat Saber before, but now I'm a certified Beat Saber fan.
1:35:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: good good I feel like beat saber has uh single-handedly pushed people's perception of
1:35:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: vr forward um because it just the number of people are like oh I don't get vr and then they
1:36:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: see beat saber and like I get vr you know um it's it is the reason I actually I know I remembered
1:36:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you you already know this vincent i've already said this to you but I remembered this week that
1:36:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this is actually the third time i've bought beat saber because I originally bought
1:36:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it for psvr on the ps4 uh I got a psvr headset and I bought beat saber for it didn't buy any packs
1:36:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but I bought it and I i loved it but I hated the cables I just like it was just not fun having to
1:36:40
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: be in like a specific orientation in a specific place I did not enjoy that and so I bought a quest
1:36:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: two and bought it for that and then obviously bought the quest three and continued using it and now i
1:36:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: as well so I have bought beat saber three times not not many games
1:36:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I will say they did a good, I would say they did a good job of, I don't know, I'm sure they timed this perfectly, but they did do the, you know, they reduced the price, the base price, like, a few months before the Steam frame came out, and then they ran a discount, like, right when the Steam frame came out, because they probably knew people are going to buy this.
1:37:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yep and they've there's no it's not a coincidence that they've just announced their uh their update
1:37:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: coming next year as well yeah I don't know if it's that or not because I feel like it's a long
1:37:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: They've been sitting on that probably, like, all right, I'm going to wait for a new VR headset to come out.
1:37:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: time in the future because it's spring next year so it's quite you know we're talking six months
1:37:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: until the game until the update comes out so I feel like it's almost like they announced it
1:37:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: earlier than they would have otherwise because of the steam frame coming out now but
1:37:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: i'm excited for the update the the new mode the hand tracking mode um oh that's the other thing
1:37:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: i've not figured out hand tracking on the the steam frame I believe it does have hand tracking
1:37:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but I can't figure out how to do it I haven't spent a huge amount of time trying but on the quest
1:38:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it just has hand tracking if you don't if you don't turn on the controllers it defaults to hand
1:38:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: tracking and I can't figure out it doesn't seem to do that on the steam frame so I don't know
1:38:15
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I haven't done either, but in the, you know, like I said, I've been having some issues
1:38:22
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: with the streaming, but just because the USB dongle keeps resetting itself, so, you know,
1:38:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: the stream is a little finicky, but in the other game, in some of the games that I've
1:38:31
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: tried, there is some, it doesn't track your hand, but it does track your hand based off
1:38:38
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: which buttons you're pressing or which you're on the controller, but not, yeah, not full
1:38:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah yeah yeah that's oh it looks like it just doesn't have hand tracking at all
1:38:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: hand tracking.
1:38:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh.
1:38:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: just now so um I i can't see them not adding it at some point because I think it's it's really
1:38:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: handy especially for when you have like a keyboard up and on the quest i've quite often had the
1:38:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: keyboard up and i've just i'm just tapping away with my fingers on it it's not amazing it's still
1:39:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: a bit fussy but it's easier than using the controllers to like you know your laser mouse
1:39:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's much easier to be like just tapping on it in the air so I i feel like yeah
1:39:11
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh yeah, typing in my Wi-Fi password with that laser mouse was very painful.
1:39:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah so I i feel like it i'd be surprised if they weren't working on hand tracking it's a
1:39:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: great feature um okay two more questions about the headset before we talk about a couple of games
1:39:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but we're probably not going to talk a lot about them because yeah well i'll explain in a minute
1:39:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: um are you have you bought lenses yet because you wear glasses don't know
1:39:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I have not.
1:39:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So this is another thing I've discovered with the Steam frame.
1:39:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I don't know, this is maybe just with my eyes.
1:39:47
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But when I first put it on, I was like, oh, everything's blurry.
1:39:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: And OK, that makes sense, because I wear glasses.
1:39:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But I did find out that just through adjusting it,
1:39:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: once I got the ergonomic frame or ergonomic add-on,
1:39:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yep.
1:40:00
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: is that at a certain angle, it actually--
1:40:04
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: everything becomes crystal clear without glasses.
1:40:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Have you made sure that you've changed where the lenses are as well?
1:40:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, I've tried those as well.
1:40:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So there's a certain angle for the headset that works for me
1:40:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: that I can see clearly.
1:40:19
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: The problem is that angle means that my nose
1:40:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: isn't touching the nose guard thing.
1:40:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah.
1:40:29
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So it's not bad, but there is some light that bleeds through.
1:40:33
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So I will still look into getting those...
1:40:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: The prescription lens says.
1:40:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I, I have ordered some lenses. I did that yesterday because the, the site I was looking,
1:40:42
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, okay.
1:40:44
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: what the site that, um, ships to the UK just put them up, um, yesterday. So it says it will be
1:40:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: three to four weeks. So, but, uh, yeah, it will be, uh, I'm looking forward to, I never got it
1:40:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: for my quest because I just dealt with it. Um, but I I'm like, if I'm, if I'm spending a grand
1:41:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on this new one
1:41:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I feel like the other advantages
1:41:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of having the prescription lenses
1:41:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is because they go over the lenses
1:41:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: in the headset
1:41:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're giving it a bit more protection as well
1:41:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so that if anything gets broken
1:41:17
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's-- oh, that's true.
1:41:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's the replaceable lenses
1:41:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: rather than the non-replaceable lenses
1:41:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: OK, I need to-- once again, I need
1:41:26
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: to hear about how easy it is to take it on and off
1:41:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: so in case if I want to share this with other people.
1:41:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yeah, I believe they're just magnetic, and they just pop on, pop off. But I will confirm to you when I get them. Yeah, for the faceplate and stuff like that, yeah, it's really nicely designed, the magnets. Did you put the spacer on?
1:41:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's another thing I love about this.
1:41:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's all magnets.
1:41:45
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yes, yeah, I put the spacer on, and then, because you have to, well, there is a bit of disassembly you need to do to put on the ergonomic head strap, but other than that, yeah, everything's just magnets.
1:41:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: right yeah yeah it's really nice all right a few games to talk about first up isle of food
1:41:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this was the game that I i got a code for a couple weeks ago for my quest headset
1:42:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I have tried it and it makes me incredibly motion sick this game um and I i think it might
1:42:12
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: be because it's so because it's a vr game where you're not walking around specifically yourself
1:42:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you are using the controller to move it
1:42:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but also
1:42:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the movement
1:42:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: is fine, it's just normal movement
1:42:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with the left analogue stick
1:42:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but to move the camera
1:42:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: around with the right analogue
1:42:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: stick, it moves in like
1:42:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: 20 to 30 degree
1:42:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: slots, it's not smooth
1:42:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: movement, so you're like
1:42:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: jumping around when you
1:42:45
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: want to look to the right
1:42:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you have to like tap, tap
1:42:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then you're like boop, boop
1:42:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And it's utterly horrendous.
1:42:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Terrific. I can't, like, it's the point where I can't really talk about this game much, because I put it on for five minutes, and I was like, no, I can't, I can't do that. It was just, because it was not smooth, my brain was fighting me, fighting for its life, any time I turned again.
1:43:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: So I had a similar experience.
1:43:12
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I did try No Man's Sky VR.
1:43:16
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: It's the exact same thing where like,
1:43:18
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: as soon as I, you know, everything was great.
1:43:21
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Sure, you know, access in the menus and whatnot
1:43:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: is a little complicated
1:43:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: because you have to point to your hand
1:43:25
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: and press buttons.
1:43:27
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: That's fine.
1:43:28
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: But as soon as I started, you know,
1:43:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: needing to turn left and right,
1:43:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I was like, oh my God, this is...
1:43:34
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I think that the moving if if yeah I think the thing is that I could probably get used to
1:43:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I mean, you can turn your head to look,
1:43:36
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: but you want to look...
1:43:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the movement without actually physically moving but it was those jumps in the camera and that's
1:43:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: not that's not oh it just wasn't processing quick that's how the feature works it's deliberately not
1:43:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: smooth and I don't know why they made that maybe it's because they couldn't make it work well
1:43:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: with the resource resource intensive and smooth I don't know it just it's
1:44:05
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I will once, I'm hoping once the either they update the dongle or I just, you know, bite the bullet and do the manual fixing myself, I'll report back once I try because I do have other VR games in my library, you know, like Half-Life Alyx and whatnot that I want to try to see how they, is it, are all VR games like that? Or is it just these specific games?
1:44:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah i'll be interesting to see how that goes um the other one to talk about is your wonderful life
1:44:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so this is the new story of seasons ar game um and I think this is going to be interesting
1:44:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: now generally social media says this looks terrible but also I think that's just because
1:44:48
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like people aren't looking for like most people aren't looking for vr stuff or ar stuff right
1:44:53
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: like most people don't care about these things and so people are looking at going this isn't for me
1:44:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: therefore nobody wants
1:44:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this
1:44:59
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but what I find interesting
1:45:01
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: about this is
1:45:02
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so it's kind of like
1:45:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Living Room
1:45:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which is the game
1:45:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: that I talked about
1:45:05
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on the podcast before
1:45:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: where it's
1:45:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're in your
1:45:08
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: world
1:45:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: your normal reality
1:45:11
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you have this game
1:45:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: island
1:45:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: sitting in front of you
1:45:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and you're doing stuff
1:45:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: there
1:45:17
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on it
1:45:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and
1:45:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: kind of
1:45:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: almost like a kind of
1:45:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: god-like figure
1:45:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: kind of like
1:45:24
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: SimCity type thing
1:45:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but it's like
1:45:26
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: physically
1:45:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: feels like
1:45:28
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: out in front of you
1:45:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: shopping things
1:45:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and picking things up
1:45:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and stuff like that
1:45:32
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, interesting. This is the one, I don't know, do we confirm it? This is meta only for now, right? Are this what's announced?
1:45:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah, that's all they've
1:45:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: announced is for meta, yeah
1:45:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: they haven't announced anything about whether it
1:45:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Hmm.
1:45:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: another reason why i'm keeping my headset just in case it doesn't come out on steam and I have
1:45:56
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: because i'm i'm gonna have to cover this for the podcast obviously right like
1:46:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: um so yeah it just it's interesting uh I i like I mean I loved living room living room was great i
1:46:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: had I had a lot of fun playing that and being like oh i'm just gonna do my little farming
1:46:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: on my headset and like got this little world what I find interesting is there do seem to be bits on
1:46:19
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this game where you're almost
1:46:21
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: you're zooming into first person
1:46:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: so like most of the game seems to be like
1:46:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: this SimCity view
1:46:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and then you also seem to
1:46:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: zoom in and do some like
1:46:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: fishing and stuff like that
1:46:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and also maybe raise a family
1:46:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and I'm intrigued to see
1:46:37
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: yeah it does I do like that it's it's not the you know I guess a traditional like oh everything's in
1:46:37
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: which parts are which kind
1:46:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: of interface
1:46:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: in first person uh point of view right where like that because that seems to be where most
1:46:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: vr games is I like I like this um the aspect of like okay you're like a omnipotent being
1:47:01
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: point of view and you're managing your town that way uh which I do hope that
1:47:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: comes to more or more when farming games come to vr I do hope they some of them go that aspect
1:47:13
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: instead of like the first person point of view because you know yeah moving in moving in a first
1:47:19
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: person point of view I feel like that's just kind of you know even if you're used to it
1:47:22
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: a lot of people aren't that just kind of limits the the reach
1:47:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: So I need to look at this update for Living Room and maybe try it out because, yeah, it seems to be very sheep focused.
1:47:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: They have the sheep there and there seem to be aliens that abduct your sheep, maybe.
1:47:42
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And some alien animals.
1:47:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I'm very intrigued by this update.
1:47:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Maybe it's time to play this game again.
1:47:49
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Again, this one is only meta.
1:47:51
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There's nothing on Steam yet, but I think this is going to there's going to be like a time period where people aren't making their games for the Steam frame.
1:48:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: You know, they've been developing it with the quest in mind.
1:48:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so that's what they're making it for.
1:48:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And hopefully in a year or two, we'll be getting them on both or maybe just the Steam.
1:48:14
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I just, you know, it's like when the Steam deck first came out.
1:48:18
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: There were a lot people didn't develop for it.
1:48:22
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And so it took a couple of years before every game worked on it.
1:48:25
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: and even now we're still at this
1:48:27
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: position where sometimes games
1:48:30
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: release without controller support and therefore you can't use
1:48:32
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it but most games
1:48:33
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: come with it now like it's just
1:48:35
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: it's one of these things where it's like it's just changed
1:48:39
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah. I think it's created like a new, you know, before there was no like least common denominator for like PC. But now there's like, okay, the Steam frame settings, at least for the most part, except like for, you know, your AAA games. But for the most part, there's at least a nice baseline to shoot for in terms of performance as well.
1:49:00
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: yeah yeah for sure um and the other farming vr game that I haven't tried is garden of the sea
1:49:07
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: um which is obviously a fishing focused game um but yeah I haven't tried that one it looks much
1:49:16
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: more first persony moving around so I maybe it'll have the same issues as isle of food i'm not sure
1:49:23
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: but um it is on steam
1:49:24
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, oh, it looks like it's a separate entry for the VR game, but there's a bundle where if you get both for the price of one.
1:49:31
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Yes. Yes, I believe so.
1:49:36
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, yeah.
1:49:38
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, that's fun.
1:49:39
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: In fact, it's 1p cheaper to buy the bundle
1:49:41
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: than it is to buy the game on its own on my screen.
1:49:43
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It's £5.95 for the game or £5.94 for the two games.
1:49:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, that's-- oh, yeah, oh, yeah, same here.
1:49:49
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, yeah, same here.
1:49:50
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Yeah, it's $6.99 versus $6.98 for a remote.
1:49:52
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: And let's see.
1:49:54
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: It is not verified on Steam Frames.
1:50:03
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: the promotion lasts until thursday
1:50:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: all right I think that's probably enough for now maybe we'll do another episode when we've
1:50:07
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Oh, I may try this out.
1:50:15
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: had more time on them and maybe played a few more games or or stuff but that's probably enough for
1:50:20
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: now two hours is long enough uh so thank you vincent for joining me um is there anything you
1:50:29
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: would like to share with the audience?
1:50:30
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: No, thank you for having me.
1:50:34
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Nothing really specific to share.
1:50:35
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I guess just if you want to get a Steam frame,
1:50:40
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: I would say definitely.
1:50:41
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: If you're a tinkering type, then yes.
1:50:44
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: If not, yeah, hold off on it a bit.
1:50:47
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: I think I would say just don't get it.
1:50:52
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Like I said, if you were the person
1:50:54
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: who would want to get a Steam frame,
1:50:56
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: you probably already know.
1:50:57
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: You probably don't need other people telling you
1:50:58
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: exactly exactly this is this is what I i it's the same sort of thing when I talk about having kids i
1:51:04
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: tell most people don't have kids because the people who should have kids are the ones who say
1:51:09
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: no I will have kids despite you telling me not to it's the same thing I don't think you should buy a
1:51:10
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Okay.
1:51:13
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: steam frame and if you if you get offended by that and say no no I will buy one then that that's fine
1:51:19
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: everything. Thank you, Vincent, again for
1:52:06
FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: joining me. Thank you, listeners, for
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: All right, thank you for having me.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: listening, and until next time, have a
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BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: Have a good harvest.
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: good harvest.
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29AF181E-8F9A-4749-8A60-4157B3173841: Theme Tune: to things we discussed in this episode
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: Oh, my voice is dying by the end there.
1:52:48
BE79AAAC-3852-4E66-828D-A3409D147395: Vincent: [laughs]
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FD2E62FB-2FCF-451B-93E2-619040BF8D8B: Al: That's what happens when it's late.