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84. Can AI Transform Family Constellations? | with Lap Fung Cheng · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kia ora, and welcome to Constellations and All That.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracey Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators from, and clients from around the world.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it Kia ora, everyone, and welcome to Constellations and All That.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Today, I have the pleasure of, um, chatting with Lap Fong Shen.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Now, did I say that right?
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  Tracy Cartwright: You can call me Ah Fong.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Ah Fong, that's right.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I re- I do remember that from our meeting in person.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Um- Yeah … and we just discussed it was 10 years ago that when I met you in person in Sydney.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So welcome.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Welcome to Constellations and All That.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'd love for you to please share a little bit about whatever is there for you.
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  Tracy Cartwright: W- who you are, where you're from, for those who don't know you.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Actually, I was born in China, and I moved to my, uh, to, to my hometown now, Hong Kong, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, I'm doing constellation in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Mainland China.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And, um, perhaps one of the pioneers going to China- Mm … bringing constellation to China.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: I'm doing a lot of trainings over there, and I doing facilitation as well.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And also now I moved into AI short film with doing that, uh, with constellation, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: With,
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  Tracy Cartwright: with AI.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Brilliant.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: With AI, yes.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, also the next movement is that I'm going to create a AI agents for constellation, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That's the… That sounds interesting, right?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, the, uh- That does
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  Tracy Cartwright: sound interesting, yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: In the, in a way to help facilitators to, especially those learners, okay, not those experienced ones, to how to do… how to learn constellation, uh, as fast as possible, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That is, uh, that is the purpose of that AI agents, okay, huh?
• 2:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, okay.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I have some questions around that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yep.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes, of course.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, recently I have been doing something like conference, okay, conference, uh, uh, to present what is latest development of constellation inside China.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Inside China.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And of course, uh, you know, China is a very big country.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: It's a very
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  Tracy Cartwright: big country.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Very countries.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Very big country.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So, uh, when I'm doing constellation over there, I realize one thing, not everybody can come to constellation.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So the, the challenge then is that how I can get people to know, uh, what constellation all about or what's the effect of that, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. That's the whole thing.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So, okay, how to get things more popular.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That is the something very- The awareness … very challenging.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Very challenging.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Get the
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  Tracy Cartwright: awareness out there.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Challenging.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So that, this is what I'm doing there.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, and also I, uh, for last year, for last year and, uh- One whole year I'm using AI.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: I'm training AIs to understand constellation, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So if you go to Doubao, for example, Doubao is a AI, uh, in, in China, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, it's… but it's, it… Actually, you, you put in constellation, you got a whole lot of answer, which is I thanks to the AI, okay, uh, for the last year, uh-huh.
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  Tracy Cartwright: W- sorry, what is the name of the AI in China?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, Doubao.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Oh.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Doubao.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That is the AI come with TikTok, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Oh, right.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: The same company, TikTok, okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That… So we, we, we trigger… We, uh, did a l- really good work on the, uh, on the AI and, uh- Yeah … now a- at least they, when you talk about constellation, at least they c- come up with, uh, some standard answers, okay?
• 4:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Or authentic explanation of what constellation all about, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: This is I, um, I've been doing for last year.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And also, uh, I translate, uh, one book from Hellinger, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Love Hidden Symmetry into- Mm … Chinese.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: It was published already 10 years ago, 10 to 10 years ago, but because the copyright stuff, uh, they changed the publisher, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So they asked me to translate it, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So I translate that into Chinese, uh, last year, okay, last year.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So I've been very, very busy doing things- Yeah, yeah, yeah … uh, like that.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay,
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  Tracy Cartwright: huh?
• 4:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So that's it, huh?
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  Tracy Cartwright: So you, you had been very busy, and you're very well known in the constellation world.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I, I'm a teacher as well, a trainer, so I often share… There's one thing that I learned from you years ago, and you were talking about when you would describe to people about, about the, the, the space within constellations, and you called it the Wi-Fi hotspot.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And it… People get it when I talk about that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: When, when we talk about the energy and how you're creating a s- there's that space of the field, and then there's the Wi-Fi hotspot.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And as soon as I say that, people go, "Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I get that." Even though they don't see Wi-Fi, they don't understand it, they get that concept.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So- Yeah … yeah, very grateful for that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, and the way that you're exploring constellations is, uh… I mean, it's, yeah, it's, it's on the leading edge there.
• 5:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, well done.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I do have a question for you around AI and the human experience when someone's training.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So… 'Cause it's, 'cause it's quite involved And then when you're training in the work, how does that-
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  Lap Fung Cheng: After I work with AI for over a year, okay, huh, I realize that they are complementary to each other.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Human and AI, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: AI cannot replace human, especially the perception that people- Mm. -got, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We have all this perceptive abilities.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We have ability to download.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We call it a ho- download for the h- Wi-Fi spot . Okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We download the message from the, we call the ICloud.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Human consciousness iCloud, okay, huh?
• 6:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: I call it, okay.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We can do that, but AI cannot.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. At least now, can- cannot do that, okay?
• 6:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: They cannot… The AI also cannot recognize the spatial relationship, okay, huh?
• 6:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: The… Which, because the so-called AI model is now only focused on language, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So what I've been doing is that I translate the constellation into the language form that can fit to AI.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. That is the… That's the thing, see, uh, we are, we are… I'm doing, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the good thing is, uh, the… once you feed the AI with information, feed them with the, for, for example, just Assume you are full, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: You are full, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: What I am going to do, to, to do, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Then I feed them with my cases, real cases, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Maybe hundreds and thousands of cases, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And the AI can actually analyze those real cases, and, uh, when they talk, when you talk, communicate with that AI, they actually talk like me, okay, huh?
• 7:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Talk like me, and, uh, they give, for example, if your problems or issues are very general or generic issues, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: They actually can give a very good insight-
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah… Lap Fung Cheng: uh, the thought of, thought of, okay?
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's possible, okay?
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  Tracy Cartwright: But that's based on the information we collect, okay?
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  Tracy Cartwright: About real cases, because we have, uh, in, uh, in my own classes, I used to have a camera, okay?
• 8:18
  Tracy Cartwright: A camera.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We capture all the things.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We transcribe every, uh, words that people said.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So you're documenting it?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Documenting it, yes.
• 8:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: But the problem is that we can not publish it, okay?
• 8:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We can document it, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: But the real cases are docu- once you're, once you document it, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And translate into pure language form, then that can work with AI, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: You feed them with language, and, uh, based on the language pattern that people talk about, then they can come up with certain kind of new perspective, uh, the, the different angle seeing things and perhaps, for example, we have one function in that AI agent, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: You can actually type in or draw your family tree inside, huh?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And based on that family tree, and based on the consonant theory, we can come up with a report, uh, report about the risk of- A family, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: The risks of being entangled or not, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Something like that, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: We got very detailed report on that, so.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: But those are all based on historical document records, okay, huh?
• 9:37
  Tracy Cartwright: So those are all based on fact-
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Fact … that is
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  Tracy Cartwright: known.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Based on the, what we found in the past, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Past experience, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: It's not about now.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Because AI never, uh, up to n- this moment, they cannot read the information now.
• 9:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: They can only handle the in- information from the past.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Of course, the oldest in the language form, okay, huh?
• 10:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Language form.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Because you're, because you're teaching it, right?
• 10:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Aren't you?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 10:14
  Tracy Cartwright: That what you put into AI is you're teaching it your language, your th- your thoughts- Yeah … and, and different things, whereas it's not a self-thinking model.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It's-
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  Lap Fung Cheng: No… Tracy Cartwright: going from Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, okay.
• 10:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: That- Mm … that's just the what we are doing, okay, huh?
• 10:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: So this also give other information, very important insight for translators ourself, okay?
• 10:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's AI can serve as a good reference- Mm … but never can handle the moment, okay?
• 10:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: The information or the feel at this moment, okay?
• 10:50
  Tracy Cartwright: That's right.
• 10:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 10:51
  Tracy Cartwright: That's where I was thinking, "Hmm."
• 10:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 10:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's, that's exactly what we're doing.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So that's- Yeah … tells the difference of between AI and people, okay, huh?
• 10:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So the AI we are doing now is that we tries to simulate how translator work, okay, huh?
• 11:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 11:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: That never can, uh, achieve what translator can do- At this moment
• 11:17
  Tracy Cartwright: That's… Yeah, yeah
• 11:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Here and now.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, here and now.
• 11:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 11:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: You cannot replace, uh, AI with intuition, okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Intuition cannot be, can only be unique, can unique to human being, okay?
• 11:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: Intuition and, uh, being here and now, being present.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That is AI cannot do, okay, okay?
• 11:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is something where… But they can give very good information on the, for example, when it constantly on the three generation issues, okay, huh?
• 11:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 11:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, um, I realized most of the people, they don't study history, huh?
• 11:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, don't have some history.
• 11:59
  Tracy Cartwright: That's one my- But then I know- I, I remember my teacher saying that to me.
• 12:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: "It's very important that you learn history. You learn about history- Yeah … so you understand, yeah, what's happened in the past."
• 12:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: The, you don't know the context of that, that, uh, particular situation.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: That's why you cannot understand what your ancestor was doing, were, were doing.
• 12:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 12:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So but on that thing, AI can give you very good insight because they can recall immediately when you call, oh, your, your f- your grandfather, okay, who's, uh, who's in war, okay?
• 12:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: He won a war.
• 12:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: What kind of war?
• 12:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: D- d- d- give you a very detailed history.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Next to that, you can have a very good reference, your assistant, historical assistant with AI, huh?
• 12:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's very important, huh?
• 12:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 12:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. So that is something I call it, you, you got once you with, you with AI It becomes your own with adjustment So, so would
• 12:58
  Tracy Cartwright: you use this, would you use this as…'Cause I know that you're a trainer also, and, and this is a s- a tool that you're putting together for your students, or?
• 13:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: I give it to the, my students, okay?
• 13:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: We are now in the testing stage, okay, huh?
• 13:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Internal testing, uh-huh.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, that's, that's something very interesting because the, we, we need to have two systems, okay?
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  Lap Fung Cheng: One system inside of China, one system outside China.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: The- Mm … because, you know, this, this Trump and, uh, the other world- Yeah … okay?
• 13:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the people wants to contain China, okay, whatever.
• 13:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is the… And it's supposed to be global technology, now becomes a two, two globals.
• 13:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Split.
• 13:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Split, yeah.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: So splits, splits.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: And these are the two systems, huh?
• 13:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: For example, there's the one system now, we're testing now, is something can work inside China, okay, huh?
• 13:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: The other system we are not testing now, but we are going to test it, is the, from Chi- from outside China, okay, huh?
• 13:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 13:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Those, the English version, the different language, multi-language bo- version, we need to have some people get involved to at least to edit, edit the English or whatever.
• 14:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Okay.
• 14:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: But that, when you translate with AI, okay, they-
• 14:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah… Lap Fung Cheng: sounds peculiar Okay?
• 14:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Is that the- No, no, I understand that.
• 14:20
  Tracy Cartwright: So, but excuse my ignorance, so, uh, China… Is, is Hong Kong in that
• 14:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: or kind of- Hong Kong is the middle, okay?
• 14:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: In the middle.
• 14:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's part of China, but in the middle.
• 14:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: But Hong Kong got the middle, and so I live in Hong Kong, it got a special advantage.
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  Lap Fung Cheng: I can access both-
• 14:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh… Lap Fung Cheng: inside and outside.
• 14:37
  Tracy Cartwright: So it's kind of like being here, isn't it?
• 14:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Funny.
• 14:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 14:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Like being
• 14:40
  Tracy Cartwright: there, like for those who… I've got my wings behind me.
• 14:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Which is actually
• 14:44
  Tracy Cartwright: my ancestral feel,
• 14:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: but- Exactly, exactly, huh?
• 14:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 14:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's somewhere in between, okay?
• 14:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: We can access Facebook, for example, in Hong Kong, and we can access WeChat, uh, in China, okay?
• 14:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: But in China you can only access WeChat, not Facebook.
• 15:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Huh?
• 15:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh- Yeah … in some place in the, uh, west you can only access Facebook, not the soft- software in China.
• 15:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's very peculiar, you know?
• 15:11
  Lap Fung Cheng: They're very interesting.
• 15:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 15:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Huh?
• 15:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very strange, huh?
• 15:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: So I needs to do both, okay?
• 15:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Both versions, huh, okay?
• 15:17
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh- Well, well
• 15:17
  Tracy Cartwright: it's lucky that you're a dedicated man because… We're lucky that you're a dedicated man 'cause you're bringing this to the, to the forefront.
• 15:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, and there are still a lot of, there are a lot of people that are, are absolutely, um, unsure about AI.
• 15:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: A little bit fearful.
• 15:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Tracy Cartwright: And I think that's, there's, there's a lot of good things that it can bring.
• 15:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 15:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the… When I'm doing AI, I realized when, for example, even outside China, okay, there are some strict regulation on what AI can do or cannot do, okay?
• 15:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: You cannot do counseling, you cannot do psychotherapy, yeah, with AI, okay, huh?
• 15:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's, that's what, what is regulation, okay?
• 16:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: This stop you, that reserve the final place for the human being, they call it, okay.
• 16:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 16:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 16:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: But the point is that we call it a… We don't call it a consolation, okay?
• 16:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: We call it a theater, interactive theater, okay?
• 16:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Theater.
• 16:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Theater.
• 16:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 16:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Like drama, like drama, okay?
• 16:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: We- Yeah … because when we have got a AI agent, you've got a chessboard, something like chessboard, got small, small objects playing on that, okay?
• 16:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: You can play with the angles and move around, okay?
• 16:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: Right.
• 16:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's more like small objects, uh, consolation, okay, huh?
• 16:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, we can do that, okay?
• 16:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: And that can be analyzed by AI also later on, okay?
• 16:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: By the results, okay?
• 16:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that is something very interesting, huh?
• 16:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the, the point is that- The, you know the AI film I'm doing, okay, huh?
• 16:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: That, that thing come from, that idea come only from, from this year, huh?
• 17:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because this year there's a explosion of AI short film, okay, huh?
• 17:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, in the, in the past year there are, there are a lot of, about short film, but only with real people, okay, huh?
• 17:12
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm just gonna translate that so, just so that, uh, the audience understands.
• 17:16
  Tracy Cartwright: So, um, Ang has done two short films, AI short films ar- based around constellations, correct?
• 17:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yep.
• 17:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yep.
• 17:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yep.
• 17:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: I have done two of that, okay?
• 17:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 17:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: That idea come from early this year, okay?
• 17:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because the, huh, uh, because the AI can do a lot of, uh, AI short films, okay, now, okay?
• 17:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: And with very comparatively low cost, okay, huh?
• 17:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: Low cost.
• 17:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: And the, the point is that in the past, in China, in the past we tried to work with some directors- Mm … drama directors-
• 17:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm… Lap Fung Cheng: to, to get film, on the short film, okay?
• 17:59
  Tracy Cartwright: But it failed because we all work on very different mindset, okay?
• 18:06
  Tracy Cartwright: They try to dramatize everything, okay, huh?
• 18:09
  Tracy Cartwright: And the fix, uh, fix the, the characters, you need to say this and all that stuff, not as natural move, okay?
• 18:16
  Tracy Cartwright: No natural move, huh?
• 18:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Tracy Cartwright: So we all from very different ideas, okay?
• 18:21
  Tracy Cartwright: But with AI, no such problem at all.
• 18:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Tracy Cartwright: AI, AI just follow what you need to do, okay?
• 18:28
  Tracy Cartwright: I have to say, it's a very good likeness of you.
• 18:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, huh.
• 18:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: So, so I decide what kind of emotion, okay, you need to express.
• 18:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: We decide what kind of words you are trying to talk about, huh?
• 18:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: No director involvement, okay?
• 18:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, the point is that we don't care about the, huh, how to dramatize the whole thing because we have too many cases, okay, huh?
• 18:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 18:52
  Lap Fung Cheng: Too many cases.
• 18:52
  Lap Fung Cheng: They try to get people to as mu- many as possible, but that is not our idea.
• 18:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's not our purpose, okay?
• 19:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: We just try to bring out the idea of constellation.
• 19:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: The awareness, yeah.
• 19:06
  Tracy Cartwright: To make
• 19:06
  Lap Fung Cheng: people, uh, to aware what is the- Mm … role of it, what is the function of that, okay?
• 19:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 19:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: What they can do, huh?
• 19:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: And without disclosing the privacy.
• 19:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 19:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, because we can- Mm … edit a case from different, combining several case together, okay?
• 19:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: Put them to- together so people can understand what we are doing, but they don't, but, uh- clients, the real client, they don't feel threatened or- Yeah … they feel, they don't, they don't have the risk of disclosing their own secrecy, okay, privacy.
• 19:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: No?
• 19:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: No.
• 19:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: No.
• 19:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's a good way to promote it, huh?
• 19:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, so you, so creating scenarios without directly implementing or implicating anyone else-
• 19:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah… Tracy Cartwright: through AI.
• 19:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: No, it's very good.
• 20:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's very good.
• 20:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, for the listeners and the viewers, I will share that… I'll share a link to it actually in the, um, in the blurb that goes out with this, as well as I'll put it on the New Zealand Systemic and Family Constellation page, and maybe even on my personal page so people can find it.
• 20:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ah.
• 20:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's very cool.
• 20:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very cool.
• 20:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: Thank you very much.
• 20:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh-
• 20:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Do you still work with the five elements?
• 20:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes, and we have extended this to eight elements, uh, uh-
• 20:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh… Lap Fung Cheng: as a group, huh?
• 20:32
  Tracy Cartwright: I need to do some more work then.
• 20:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: Expand that, huh?
• 20:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because the, for some kind of issues, five element's not enough, okay, huh?
• 20:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 20:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I wanna show you this.
• 20:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Can you see this?
• 20:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ah, water.
• 20:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 20:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ah.
• 20:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Water element.
• 20:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Good.
• 20:48
  Tracy Cartwright: I painted… I got some old, um, place mats and just painted it up and put-
• 20:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah… Tracy Cartwright: the water element The north.
• 20:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: North.
• 21:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then the middle and, um- Yeah … east and- Yeah … and so I did that, and then the yin and yang from that, from what I learned from you 10 years ago in Sydney.
• 21:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: And I- Yeah … um, and I used it for such a long time, and then put it aside.
• 21:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: And just the other day I pulled it out- Yeah … doing a constellation and it was like- Yeah.
• 21:17
  Lap Fung Cheng: … so, so good.
• 21:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's a
• 21:19
  Tracy Cartwright: good tool.
• 21:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 21:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: And one thing, you need to modify it a bit, okay?
• 21:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: In the… We talked about the water element in the north, okay, huh?
• 21:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: But in your, uh, in, uh, New Zealand needs to exchange that with- Fire element.
• 21:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because fire element- Ah … actually points to the equator, okay, yeah?
• 21:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 21:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is, that's north, okay?
• 21:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh-huh.
• 21:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, you point it to the north.
• 21:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: What I would point to south, the South Pole, okay?
• 21:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, so that's a slight difference.
• 21:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh-huh.
• 21:50
  Tracy Cartwright: So, so does, does it still, um, represent the mother?
• 21:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Even though it- Yeah, still … well, yeah.
• 21:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Still.
• 21:57
  Tracy Cartwright: But it's, it's, yeah.
• 21:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 21:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: Just the,
• 22:00
  Tracy Cartwright: just the direction, okay?
• 22:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Just the direction.
• 22:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Just direction.
• 22:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very, very small changes.
• 22:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Absolutely.
• 22:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very small change, huh?
• 22:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 22:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, great.
• 22:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Very good.
• 22:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Tracy Cartwright: I thought that… I thought… I pulled them out just to show.
• 22:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Tracy Cartwright: That is such a good… I use them as, as kind of like a, um… Sometimes if I get a little s- there may be confusion in the field or something like that, and it's like there's no clarity as to where this is coming from, um, I'll, I'll use those.
• 22:23
  Tracy Cartwright: It's very good, very good tool.
• 22:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 22:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: yeah.
• 22:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's the, that, that five element and model, and also the, my latest, uh, eight element model, okay, huh, is, is best for those, uh, situation which are confusing, okay, huh?
• 22:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Once you do not have the clear information, uh, about the person, the family, or the, where the influential factors from inside the family of origin- Mm-hmm … or outside the family origin, okay?
• 22:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: That model works very well, okay, huh?
• 22:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 22:59
  Tracy Cartwright: So if people want to learn this, how do they … D- are you offering any training in this?
• 23:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Well, I offer that in China, okay, huh?
• 23:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, not, not,
• 23:10
  Tracy Cartwright: not It's a long way to go for a, for the-
• 23:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, but the, huh, hopefully they… Hopefully, I'm not, not quite sure because the, you know, the Australia girl, Junie.
• 23:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ju- Junie, huh?
• 23:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Janine, yep.
• 23:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Janine, Janine, Janine, uh, he invites me to share, uh, on the internet conference, okay?
• 23:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: Internet- Yeah … every year, okay, huh?
• 23:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Last year I, I was sick, huh?
• 23:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: I was sick when the, the time when she invites me, so, uh, didn't show up, okay?
• 23:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Didn't show up.
• 23:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: This year I think there are a lot of other peoples coming up, okay, huh?
• 23:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: I think they are also are the good, very good sharing, huh?
• 23:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 23:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 23:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: Perhaps, perhaps maybe next year I may come up to This year I'm too busy, okay, huh?
• 24:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: Next year I may, next year I may go to present something about AI and, uh, AI agent, something like that, huh?
• 24:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: Perhaps, huh?
• 24:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 24:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, huh?
• 24:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay, yeah.
• 24:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Tracy Cartwright: All right.
• 24:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, I might have to, um, who knows, do something.
• 24:16
  Tracy Cartwright: I'd like to learn a bit more about that.
• 24:18
  Tracy Cartwright: I find it fascinating.
• 24:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Um-
• 24:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah
• 24:20
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, as a diagnostic tool.
• 24:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, can I just ask, how did you get into family constellations?
• 24:26
  Tracy Cartwright: How, how did … What led you to it?
• 24:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Oh, there's, uh, one thing is, uh, I was, uh, I was learning NLP, okay, huh?
• 24:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: About 26 years ago, 26 year ago.
• 24:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: During that course the trainer actually, uh, uh, show me, demonstrate constellation, uh, f- to the whole of the student, okay, huh?
• 24:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: And I was shocked by that, okay, huh?
• 24:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: Shocked by that, huh?
• 25:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, then I realized there's something really deep, d- deeply touched me- Mm. -in some way, huh?
• 25:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because I wa- when I was young, uh, where after I was born, not so far, I was separated from my mother, from my whole family because that was in the, uh, Cultural Revolution of China, okay?
• 25:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 25:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 25:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: My father and mother needs to be sent to the rural areas, okay?
• 25:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: I stayed with other, another family, okay?
• 25:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: You know that is so-called, uh, reaching out movement, huh, interrupted- Interrupted reaching out movement.
• 25:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah … movement.
• 25:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Something like that, okay?
• 25:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that touched me a lot, okay, huh?
• 25:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then I start to search where can I learn constellation, okay?
• 25:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, then there's a chance that I, that people share with me there's a international intensive in Germany- Mm. In Germany … 2001.
• 26:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 26:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: 2001, okay, huh?
• 26:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Then I was, uh … At that time, I wa- I have no idea what I'm doing I think about it, huh?
• 26:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: But at that time also, I was, uh, just attending a company, okay, huh?
• 26:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, probational appearance, okay?
• 26:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Not formally recognized, okay?
• 26:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Not formally recognized.
• 26:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: But I say, "Okay, I need to go," okay?
• 26:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: And the boss, okay, very reluctantly let me go, let me go, okay?
• 26:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because there was no business around that time, okay?
• 26:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: And I tried to enroll and got the last position in the intensive.
• 26:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: Oh.
• 26:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Bought the tickets for air flights and I got the last tickets, okay?
• 26:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: And when I went there, flew over there, all the hotels, all the hotels, all the hostels are fully booked, and they just gave me a big conference room with independent shower, pantry, and toilets.
• 27:11
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 27:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Oh,
• 27:12
  Tracy Cartwright: wow.
• 27:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is- Wow … I call it VIP room, okay?
• 27:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the conference room is big enough for a, for a constellation, okay?
• 27:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's this very good environment, okay?
• 27:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Everybody just envy,
• 27:27
  Tracy Cartwright: okay?
• 27:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Your ancestors were going, "Yes.
• 27:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Let's- Yeah. … let's get him there any way, any way we can." Yeah.
• 27:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 27:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Well, that's… From that moment I learned that, uh, okay, once I- I'm doing constellation everything just moves so smooth.
• 27:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Mm.
• 27:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 27:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: If I deviate from that, there's a lot h- hair of obstacles, okay?
• 27:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: I don't understand, okay?
• 27:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: So far I don't understand, okay?
• 27:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: But I can call it a kind… You can call it fate, destiny, or the calling, whatever you're, you're talking about, okay?
• 28:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Some sort of calling from outside.
• 28:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 28:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: Huh?
• 28:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: From-
• 28:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I understand that completely.
• 28:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Yep.
• 28:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 28:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: Some kind of sorting, okay, this is, this is what I need to do, huh?
• 28:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Not want to do it, but I need to do, huh?
• 28:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Get later become something I, I want to do, I need to do, and I'd like to do.
• 28:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
• 28:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is something, something interesting.
• 28:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the… Huh?
• 28:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then I spent six years learning about the constellation, huh?
• 28:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: Apart from work, okay?
• 28:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: Full-time work and all the rest of time just learning constellation.
• 28:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: And I do some practice, uh, during the weekends, uh, with my friend.
• 28:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: She was, uh, doing, uh, some, uh, training.
• 28:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, training.
• 28:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: So I work a- work as assistant, teaching assistant, okay, huh?
• 28:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then after six years, and, uh, the company just, just tear apart in some way, uh- Mm.
• 29:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm … so, so I'm out.
• 29:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: I was out, and I, I was not sure what to do, what not to do, okay?
• 29:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: What to do, okay?
• 29:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: Then somebody asked me, "Why don't you contact Hellinger?" Okay?
• 29:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Then I wrote an emails to Hellinger, ask him if he can come to Hong Kong- Oh … to do a, to do a workshop And he said yes.
• 29:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's the start of my considered work.
• 29:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And did you go-
• 29:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ah" Tracy Cartwright: Oh Okay.
• 29:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: Then I organized a 300 people, uh, workshop for him two days, huh?
• 29:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, that's was very, very good result, huh?
• 29:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very, very good result, huh?
• 29:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then- And were
• 29:49
  Tracy Cartwright: they all from Hong Kong, China, or were they from, uh, uh, different parts of the world?
• 29:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia- Mm-hmm and, uh, Singapore.
• 30:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: So mostly
• 30:00
  Tracy Cartwright: throughout Asia, yeah.
• 30:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
• 30:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: Southeast Asia, yeah, huh, huh?
• 30:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: And
• 30:04
  Tracy Cartwright: we- So different dialects, how did you translate that?
• 30:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: We have three trans- uh, because Hellinger himself can speak English, huh?
• 30:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 30:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: I translate that into Mandarin.
• 30:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 30:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: And another person translate into, uh, Cantonese, okay, huh?
• 30:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Address for different kind of people, huh?
• 30:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: The … So that's, I start from this and organize workshop, and I introduced, huh, other trainer into China as well.
• 30:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: For example, the Albert Ma.
• 30:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 30:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: And the Guny, Guny
• 30:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Basta.
• 30:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Guny, yes, yes.
• 30:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Guny.
• 30:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, also the, uh, Wilfried Neres- Uh, Wilfred Neris.
• 30:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Huh,
• 30:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Neris Oh, I don't think I've heard that name before.
• 30:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: There are lots, lots.
• 30:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: About 10 of them, okay?
• 30:55
  Lap Fung Cheng: 10 that I mo- I, I brought them to China, okay?
• 30:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: I'm gonna write it down.
• 30:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, Bertold Als- Bertold Alsama.
• 31:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Boy, Bertold.
• 31:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, lovely.
• 31:02
  Tracy Cartwright: He's… Yeah, he's one of… I love his cheeky personality.
• 31:06
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh- W- Wilfred, sorry … Neris.
• 31:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Neris.
• 31:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: And Henry Breuer.
• 31:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Henrik Breuer.
• 31:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh… Who's that?
• 31:17
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, a lot.
• 31:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: I don't remember all of them, okay?
• 31:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: But I brought many of them to China, huh?
• 31:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 31:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, I organized workshop for them, and I also translate for them, huh?
• 31:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Translate for them so that to me is part of learning and partial of doing business.
• 31:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Oh, that is- Yeah… something interesting, huh?
• 31:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: Interesting experience, huh?
• 31:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: And now they've got their own agents of doing work in China, okay?
• 31:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: Huh, huh?
• 31:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Interesting, right, huh?
• 31:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah,
• 31:45
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, yeah.
• 31:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Tracy Cartwright: So, so you were kind of… Were you the first one in China to introduce constellations, or was there other people that were doing it prior?
• 31:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: Other people also.
• 31:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Valence Lee, okay, and Natra Chao.
• 32:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: They were before me, actually, huh?
• 32:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: But I brought the most of the translator- Mm. Yeah … different kind of translator into China, okay, huh?
• 32:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 32:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that is something interesting, huh?
• 32:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: So, uh, then I create my own training courses, and, uh, I have my own student.
• 32:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: I have my, my own training schedules and, uh, programs.
• 32:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that's, huh, okay.
• 32:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: And then- Yeah … I'm doing something, you know, apart from translating.
• 32:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: I wrote a book about constellation in Chinese.
• 32:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: And the… Now I'm moving to AI and, uh, huh, something Pretty, uh, promising, huh, I would say, huh?
• 32:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Pretty promising, huh?
• 32:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:48
  Tracy Cartwright: On the leading edge there, right?
• 32:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 32:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 32:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the problem, you know, the, uh, it is not that easy to work in China, okay.
• 32:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Tracy Cartwright: I remember you saying that, um… because I, I… my thought pattern was that the Chinese were very connected to their… Is that correct?
• 33:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah?
• 33:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 33:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you.
• 33:10
  Tracy Cartwright: But the younger generation not so much.
• 33:13
  Tracy Cartwright: The little… not as, not as, uh, practicing it as much as the older generations.
• 33:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, that is what happened 10 years ago.
• 33:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 33:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Now it's different.
• 33:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 33:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Now it is different.
• 33:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Now the young people, huh, are actually more connected to the old tradition- Oh … 10 years ago.
• 33:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: They've come
• 33:33
  Tracy Cartwright: back.
• 33:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
• 33:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, beautiful.
• 33:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Come back.
• 33:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Come back.
• 33:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: They're very, very g- good, okay?
• 33:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: And they, they try to learn something very traditional, okay, huh?
• 33:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, to revive, revitalize what, what is the old culture, traditional culture.
• 33:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Okay?
• 33:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: And they practice a lot of Asian… for example, even clothings, Asian drawings, Asian architectures, Asian… whatever Asian, okay?
• 33:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: That has become a fashion in China.
• 34:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Fantastic.
• 34:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh-
• 34:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's very, very nice.
• 34:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: They're very nice, okay?
• 34:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the young people don't consider the, uh, worshiping an ancestor is some call, some kind of s- superstitious, okay, huh?
• 34:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 34:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 34:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: They consider it as a remembering, okay, huh?
• 34:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that's- Mm … different.
• 34:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very, very different some now, huh?
• 34:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 34:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I mean, a lot has changed in the world, right?
• 34:25
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and even in the awareness, even in the constellation field there's a lot more, uh, um, it, it's been quite a growth in the last, um, 10 years.
• 34:35
  Tracy Cartwright: But one thing I do remember you saying was, um, that you were describing it to a group of people and they weren't… th- the, and they were youngish th- then, and they weren't quite getting it, so you said, "It's like when your computer has all these, um, things going on and, and there's glitches happening, and you realize you have to, to defrag it." To get back to those old memories that are all out of order and, and put them, you know, put them back where they belong.
• 35:03
  Tracy Cartwright: And then you said, and then the, then the people, uh, they understood that as well.
• 35:07
  Tracy Cartwright: So that's another description I've sometimes used Yeah, yeah … and I'm quoting you.
• 35:11
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's okay.
• 35:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: But, but the, you know, the, uh, uh, this very interesting is that once the, uh, technology come to certain stage, okay, huh, it can really have good analogy for constellation, huh?
• 35:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 35:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: Exactly.
• 35:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: You know- Mm … what is that called?
• 35:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: The iCloud, huh?
• 35:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: iCloud, huh?
• 35:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: The what called, uh, the, uh, mega computation, okay?
• 35:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Or whatever they call it, okay?
• 35:37
  Lap Fung Cheng: That is, fits the constellation phenomena 100%, huh?
• 35:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. That's a very good analogy, huh, for that, okay?
• 35:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the, so far pe- the scientists have not yet studied one key element in the Earth, on, on the Earth, in the world, okay?
• 35:55
  Lap Fung Cheng: Human consciousness.
• 35:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Human consciousness.
• 35:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 35:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: What's that mean, okay, huh?
• 36:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Is that part of, part of information, okay, or what?
• 36:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Okay.
• 36:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 36:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 36:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: And the, the difference between AI and the human consciousness I've… In the last year I've thought of more like this, okay?
• 36:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Human consciousness can do this self-definition.
• 36:17
  Lap Fung Cheng: I define myself to be what?
• 36:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: To be what kind of person, what kind of being, okay?
• 36:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: AI cannot.
• 36:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: AI can only rely on human definition.
• 36:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: We define AI, but AI cannot define themself.
• 36:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 36:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 36:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's a, that's a, that's a unique, very unique to human being, okay?
• 36:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the… I think, you know, the… we are now in a very different s- time From last year, from the past 10 years, very different time.
• 36:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: We are advanced to what I call a new era of the Earth.
• 37:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: We become a…
• 37:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Not-
• 37:06
  Lap Fung Cheng: we tries to knock the door of interstellar period, huh, of human being, okay, huh?
• 37:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 37:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 37:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: For example, the, the, the Elon Musk, they want to… She wants to migrate to, uh, Mars.
• 37:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mar- the Mars, okay, right?
• 37:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 37:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 37:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: The Mars, okay.
• 37:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: The point is that what kind of solar system he's going to include there.
• 37:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: He or any, any people, any country, they wants to go to this, whether it's Luna or the Mars or other planets, okay?
• 37:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: What kind of family system they want to put in?
• 37:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Still-
• 37:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh,
• 37:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: what kind of
• 37:43
  Tracy Cartwright: family system.
• 37:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah… Lap Fung Cheng: what kind of okay, in that special environment?
• 37:49
  Tracy Cartwright: What kind of system they want to put, okay, huh?
• 37:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Is that still the family system we are doing now, okay?
• 37:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Or Muslims type of family or the mother, uh, you know, I went to the… You know, my face are pretty red at the moment, okay, because recently I visited to Tibet areas, okay, huh?
• 38:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Also- You've been to Tibet?
• 38:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Tibet.
• 38:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Tibet area, okay.
• 38:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 38:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes, okay.
• 38:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, it's fascinating.
• 38:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: There were 26 ethnic minor- minority over there.
• 38:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 38:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: 26 minority over there, okay?
• 38:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: And every minority tribe, they got their own family system, which is very different from the, what government recognized, okay?
• 38:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Can you give me an example?
• 38:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: For example, one man, many wife, okay?
• 38:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, one wife, many men.
• 38:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, poly-like.
• 38:52
  Lap Fung Cheng: And also the walking marriage
• 38:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Sorry?
• 38:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Walking marriage.
• 38:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: Walk- Walking marriage, okay?
• 39:01
  Lap Fung Cheng: Every, okay, to, to the, the, to the, his wife's, the, the girl's house, okay?
• 39:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 39:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: He needs to climb up to the bedroom of the lady, okay, huh?
• 39:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: And sleep one night.
• 39:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Next morning, before breakfast, he needs to climb down and walk back to his own family origin.
• 39:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, busy man.
• 39:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, and, uh, for the older childrens, they are raised up not by their own biological father.
• 39:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: They're raised up by their uncle, the mother's siblings.
• 39:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 39:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: Well-
• 39:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay… Lap Fung Cheng: that's very Yeah.
• 39:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: So in, in this marriage system, in that marriage system, huh, they minimize all the conflicts, okay?
• 39:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because they don't live together, okay, huh?
• 39:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: They don't live together.
• 39:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: There's no, no conflicts on the whatever the life all about, okay?
• 39:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: Daily life, all about, okay, huh?
• 39:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: And mans are not responsible for the wellbeing of his girl, but only responsible for the wellbeing of his family origin.
• 40:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm, mm-hmm.
• 40:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 40:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's very interesting system, huh?
• 40:12
  Tracy Cartwright: So- Very interesting system.
• 40:13
  Tracy Cartwright: So I get what you mean, like, if you're putting someone on Mars, what sort of f- what family system is this?
• 40:18
  Tracy Cartwright: I mean… Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Tracy Cartwright: It's total different from what we, our ideas, okay?
• 40:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: The, the point is that when I go to that area, I try to, uh, talk about the family counseling.
• 40:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: They said, "We don't need that.
• 40:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: We don't have conflicts." I was,"Okay." Just no, no, no conflicts.
• 40:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 40:38
  Tracy Cartwright: It… Too much to think about.
• 40:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 40:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: Complicated.
• 40:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: Too complicated.
• 40:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: People
• 40:44
  Tracy Cartwright: be sitting there going- What?
• 40:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Order?
• 40:48
  Tracy Cartwright: What's order?
• 40:48
  Tracy Cartwright: What's the order?
• 40:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: Wow.
• 40:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 40:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: What's the order?
• 40:52
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's
• 40:52
  Tracy Cartwright: it.
• 40:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: What's the order?
• 40:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's- Yeah … that's no problem at all, okay, huh?
• 40:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: To them, it's no problem at all.
• 40:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: There's no marriage conflicts, okay, huh?
• 41:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: Only they can worry about is the, what the man can do at night, okay ? Can they do their work well, okay, at nights, okay?
• 41:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's it, okay?
• 41:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, they're purely in love with that lady, okay, huh?
• 41:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 41:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: That their marriage based on purely love, okay?
• 41:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. And also sexual attraction.
• 41:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's all.
• 41:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: No, no other things, huh?
• 41:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, that's- That's great … that's very fascinating, huh?
• 41:24
  Tracy Cartwright: It
• 41:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: is.
• 41:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 41:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 41:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 41:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: But what if, when we, when people go to Marsh, Mars, right?
• 41:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: And another planet, and, uh, we cannot ensure every astronaut is one man, one girl, okay?
• 41:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 41:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: There's no guarantee for that.
• 41:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: And how can people give birth to next generation?
• 41:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: By those connections or by- Embryos, for example, huh?
• 41:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 41:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Fertilized embryos, huh?
• 41:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: From other… Bring thousands from other embryos, and you have some mother for the embryo only, huh?
• 42:08
  Lap Fung Cheng: And what kind of system would be… that become, huh?
• 42:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's-
• 42:10
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, I watched, I watched a film recently about something very similar to that, where- Yeah.
• 42:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:16
  Tracy Cartwright: It was interesting.
• 42:17
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 42:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh, yeah.
• 42:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: We have, we have s- we have some case about that already, okay?
• 42:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because, uh, a lot of rich people in China, they, uh, for some of the ladies, rich ladies, they want to give birth to a child themselves, huh, because that was too painful.
• 42:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: So they purposely hire another lady, pay to her, and ask her to be the mother.
• 42:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: They put the embryo inside the… another mother, okay, huh?
• 42:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: We call it substitute mother, okay, huh?
• 42:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh-
• 42:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Surrogate.
• 42:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Surrogate we call it… Lap Fung Cheng: surrogate, Surrogate mother, okay?
• 42:52
  Tracy Cartwright: They give birth for the children, okay?
• 42:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay?
• 42:56
  Tracy Cartwright: And, uh, what happen then, huh?
• 42:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Happen then.
• 43:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Because there's a whole nother… There's blood from the surrogate mother going through, which is feeding the embryo, and it's a whole- Yeah … another system.
• 43:09
  Tracy Cartwright: And then it's given back to the… which it originates.
• 43:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: But that would be a lot more comfort than now, okay, huh?
• 43:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Get it?
• 43:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm.
• 43:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Expect the children like this, they may have the influence from both systems.
• 43:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: From the biological mother's side and father's side, and also from the sub- s- substitute
• 43:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Surrogate.
• 43:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: Surrogate … surrogate, surrogate mother's system also.
• 43:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
• 43:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, so can… Are they going to be very clear about themself, or are they going to be very confused about themselves psychologically, mentally?
• 43:53
  Tracy Cartwright: I guess if, if it's known and it's included and it's all… There's, there's all of that included.
• 44:02
  Tracy Cartwright: You, you are from three systems, not from two systems then, right?
• 44:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 44:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Interesting.
• 44:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 44:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Three- And that's- … based systems.
• 44:10
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, that's the implication that is big, okay, huh?
• 44:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 44:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 44:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: I think we need to study some of this phenomena, okay, huh?
• 44:18
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because we are- Yeah … preparing the next generation of human being, if we believe human, human beings going to continue to survive on Earth, okay?
• 44:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Or go beyond the Earth, huh?
• 44:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 44:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: That will become- Fascinating… normal, common, huh, in the future.
• 44:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 44:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Fascinating.
• 44:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, you've opened the doors for lots of conversations there.
• 44:40
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm sure there's… gonna have people thinking about all sorts of things now.
• 44:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: We are not staying in the tradition anymore, okay?
• 44:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 44:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: We are apart from tradition.
• 44:52
  Lap Fung Cheng: We have something pleasantly new idea in the future.
• 44:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 44:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: So what can that be?
• 44:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 44:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the, uh, that- that's the, that's the thing, okay?
• 45:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 45:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: So I don't know what, what would be the result of that, okay, huh?
• 45:06
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 45:07
  Lap Fung Cheng: But I was- It would
• 45:07
  Tracy Cartwright: be interesting… It would be interesting to put that into the field in a, in a blind constellation, not to fix- Yeah … just to observe, right?
• 45:15
  Tracy Cartwright: To, to witness and… I mean, obviously if someone came with an issue, but But to see that in the field, yeah.
• 45:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: I think that's a good things to explore, huh?
• 45:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 45:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Prepare our constellator for the future.
• 45:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: I think we have some ideas what happen, what going to happen in the future, okay, huh?
• 45:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: And that would be beyond our work right now, okay?
• 45:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that is-
• 45:47
  Tracy Cartwright: That's interesting.
• 45:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, I think that's, that's, that's fascinating.
• 45:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: I thinks those are the things I'm thinking about n- now.
• 45:54
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, uh-huh.
• 45:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 45:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: So if we go to another planet, what kind of system we are going to create, okay, huh?
• 46:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 46:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: Very fundamental is family system, and then the social system, the tribal system, and the, huh, uh, we still stay with that country system or whatever, the racial system.
• 46:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: I don't think so.
• 46:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 46:19
  Lap Fung Cheng: I don't think so.
• 46:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: That means that there will be a lot of cultural shock.
• 46:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 46:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, 'cause each of one… each one, each person, individual brings their own system and their own ideals, and their… And then you're coming to somewhere to create something different.
• 46:34
  Tracy Cartwright: But what is that- Yeah looking like?
• 46:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 46:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
• 46:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the-
• 46:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Which really in the, in the, in the big picture though, isn't that different to people going to, to start a new c- you know, to start a new community, for example.
• 46:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Much smaller on scale, but same, same, but different, right?
• 46:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: But that, that small thing, but that could be become a butterfly effect, okay?
• 47:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 47:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 47:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, I love that.
• 47:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 47:05
  Tracy Cartwright: So tell me, um, how do you describe constellations in China?
• 47:10
  Tracy Cartwright: How do you… To someone who's never experienced it, what, what are the words that you use?
• 47:15
  Lap Fung Cheng: Well, constellation is about the, uh, uh… You've talk about the, the form of constellation.
• 47:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's more like you build up a internal Wi-Fi network, huh, okay?
• 47:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: Internal intranet, okay?
• 47:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Intra, call it intranet.
• 47:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: Intranet, okay?
• 47:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: Once you've got intranet, okay, and you've got, uh, your, the, the constellator is more like a key that channels to that, uh, the gateway, the gateway to that- Mm … iCloud drive, okay?
• 47:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh-huh.
• 47:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: iCloud drive.
• 47:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 47:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 47:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Now from there, and, uh, you create, for example, you, you create your own group on a- For example, New Zealand, uh, counseling group, okay?
• 48:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's the social group, okay?
• 48:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: That, the group is the iCloud, okay, huh?
• 48:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, once you become a member of that group, you can download all the information from that group, okay, real time.
• 48:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: No, no delay, okay, huh?
• 48:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Everyone can get it, okay, huh?
• 48:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, so when you go- when you become a, a counselor or representative inside, that means you are in a group, okay?
• 48:23
  Lap Fung Cheng: You can download, you can download the information from the group, okay, huh?
• 48:28
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 48:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 48:29
  Lap Fung Cheng: Similar system, similar things you can talk about, uh, the whole family system.
• 48:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: The family got a group on iCloud, okay, huh?
• 48:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 48:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: Once you become the member of that group, you can download information from that, okay, huh?
• 48:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, for example, the can you download information from my group?
• 48:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yes.
• 48:50
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 48:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: If I give you an ID and password- Mm … authorization, that means you've got my authorization, you can download my information, huh, from my group, huh?
• 49:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the constellation is more like a setting up a temporary intranet, okay, which all the people can share information from there, okay, huh?
• 49:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 49:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: And, uh, the point is that the people all believe, all the time they want to believe, okay, all the issues of my own body is my own thing, okay, huh?
• 49:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Is my thing, okay?
• 49:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: But what if you know that you're connected to the iCloud, something went wrong on the iCloud also affects you, okay?
• 49:36
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the constellation is not, not about solve the issue on your own body, okay?
• 49:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: But on, on, on the level of iCloud level, okay?
• 49:45
  Lap Fung Cheng: We solve the bugs in the iCloud computation.
• 49:49
  Lap Fung Cheng: So to make it smoother up there, you got a good algorithm, something like that, okay?
• 49:55
  Lap Fung Cheng: The computer- Good
• 49:56
  Tracy Cartwright: algorithm,
• 49:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: yeah.
• 49:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's it.
• 49:57
  Lap Fung Cheng: Sending the
• 49:57
  Tracy Cartwright: information.
• 49:58
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 49:59
  Lap Fung Cheng: We change the algorithm and, uh, so things will … You'll feel much better, okay?
• 50:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 50:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay?
• 50:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 50:05
  Tracy Cartwright: The,
• 50:05
  Lap Fung Cheng: the, uh, constellation about the how to edit, how to download, how to embody or represent whatever happened in the iCloud, okay, huh?
• 50:16
  Lap Fung Cheng: And we change that computation method, and, uh, everything change, huh?
• 50:20
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm-hmm.
• 50:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 50:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: It's more like AI, open AI now.
• 50:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: They, they don't improve your own computer.
• 50:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: They improve on their iCloud computation.
• 50:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay?
• 50:30
  Lap Fung Cheng: How to do alg- algorithm, okay?
• 50:34
  Lap Fung Cheng: They change algorithm, and, uh, you feel much better, okay?
• 50:38
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's the way we call constellation, huh?
• 50:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: That's a knowledge- Very,
• 50:41
  Tracy Cartwright: very different description to how we would describe it here in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and I love it.
• 50:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 50:47
  Lap Fung Cheng: I
• 50:47
  Tracy Cartwright: love it.
• 50:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: Because the, the, the Chinese young people, very, especially young people, they are- learn.
• 50:55
  Lap Fung Cheng: They are living in this high tech period of time, okay?
• 50:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely, yeah.
• 51:00
  Lap Fung Cheng: They just speak their own language, okay.
• 51:02
  Lap Fung Cheng: Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 51:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: Uh- That's
• 51:04
  Tracy Cartwright: great… Lap Fung Cheng: yeah, because the, tradition things, then you talk about all the spirit things, uh, uh, uh, family spirits, stuff like that.
• 51:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay, school spirits, stuff like that, okay, huh.
• 51:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Of course we can use that kind of language, but the point the people got scared maybe.
• 51:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 51:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: They may think it's superstitious, okay, huh.
• 51:27
  Lap Fung Cheng: Then we change another set of language that make them feel very comfortable, and that's it, okay, huh.
• 51:35
  Lap Fung Cheng: So we are not only clear, clearing up your own body, huh.
• 51:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Your own body just like a iPhone, okay . Okay . Nice.
• 51:42
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah,
• 51:44
  Tracy Cartwright: clear out, clear out all the, um, open tabs and,
• 51:48
  Lap Fung Cheng: uh- Yeah… Tracy Cartwright: all Yeah.
• 51:51
  Lap Fung Cheng: You, you clear all those programs.
• 51:53
  Lap Fung Cheng: Those are the work that usually people want to do, okay?
• 51:56
  Lap Fung Cheng: But don't- Yeah … they don't realize that if your iCloud system is not very good up there, uh, not very efficient up there, your speed of your iPhone still needs to be affected by that, okay, huh.
• 52:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm, yeah.
• 52:12
  Lap Fung Cheng: So that is the something I am, uh, trying to get through so they, huh, so that representative of those, uh, constellations, I call them the authorized agent for-
• 52:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Yeah.
• 52:26
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah
• 52:27
  Tracy Cartwright: The facilitators are the authorized agents for downloading.
• 52:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Is that correct?
• 52:31
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, huh.
• 52:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Lap Fung Cheng: So the, the, the facilitator is the gateway to that
• 52:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Ah, wow.
• 52:39
  Lap Fung Cheng: Authorized gateway to download.
• 52:41
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay . Slight difference.
• 52:44
  Lap Fung Cheng: Slight difference, okay, huh.
• 52:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah, huh.
• 52:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, thank you so much for sharing today.
• 52:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, it's been fascinating- Thank you.
• 52:54
  Tracy Cartwright: My pleasure … and, and, and you're opening the doors and the minds for so many other inquiries for people as well.
• 53:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 53:00
  Tracy Cartwright: So, yeah.
• 53:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you for the gift that you bring to the constellation world.
• 53:04
  Lap Fung Cheng: You're welcome.
• 53:05
  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, for all that you've shared with us today.
• 53:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Lap Fung Cheng: Thank you very much, Tracy, for your invitation, and I'm honored to be here.
• 53:13
  Lap Fung Cheng: Thank you very much.
• 53:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh?
• 53:14
  Lap Fung Cheng: Maybe we talk to each other next time or her talk again.
• 53:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I'm sure we'll s- we'll, we'll connect again sometime.
• 53:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 53:21
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 53:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Mm. Good.
• 53:22
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, huh.
• 53:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay.
• 53:24
  Lap Fung Cheng: Okay, bye-bye.
• 53:25
  Lap Fung Cheng: Ha ha
• 53:26
  Tracy Cartwright: ha.
• 53:26
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