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Hunting the Hunter _ Detectives Don_t Sleep _ Part 1 · The Empire of Wealth

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Speaker 1: It's September 12th, 1982, in Alaska. We're on the bank
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of the Kinnick River in the south central region, about
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25 miles north of Anchorage, Alaska's most populous city. That's
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the thing about Alaska. It's not just the largest state
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in America. It's the most sparsely populated, which means you
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can be this close to a big city and yet
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in the middle of a vast wilderness. the Canick River.
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There's a broad, shallow stretch of water in places a
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mile wide, fed by the ice melt from the massive
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Canick Glacier to the east. Kayakers call the river the
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Silt Monster. The silt gathers in sandbars that break the surface,
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creating fast-flowing channels between them. The horizon is a jagged
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line of snow-clad mountains, dominated by the looming Pioneer Peak
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at 6,398 feet. Between the river and the mountains is
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a blaze of gold, forests of aspen erupting in their
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fall splendor. The air is crisp and bracing. Winter is
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on its way, it whispers. It's a remote spot, but
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not completely inaccessible. You can reach it over land on foot. Alternatively,
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you can approach it from the river or land a
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light aircraft on the sand. The view alone rewards the effort.
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But people don't just come here to admire the scenery.
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They come to hunt. As the light fades, two men
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move stealthily along the sandbars jutting out of the Inky River.
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Rifles slung over their shoulders. Off-duty police officers John Daly
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and Audi Holloway have been out here most of the afternoon,
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though without much luck. They reckon they have one last
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chance for a kill before the light's gone for good.
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The two men are hunting moose. They've picked the perfect location,
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as moose are often found around water. Their timing is good, too.
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Moose are what are known as crepuscular animals, which means
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they're active at twilight. So now is precisely the time
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for a sharp-eyed hunter to spot one. But you have
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to keep your senses alert. Not just your eyes, but
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your ears and sense of smell. All have to be
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attuned to the possible presence of an animal. You're listening
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for the slightest rustle or a crack of a branch,
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for an involuntary snort, or a contented grunt. And you're
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looking for a sudden movement. However small, you're in the
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shadows of the darkening forest. But Dalian Holloway's attention is
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not drawn by any of these signals. He's spotted something else.
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A boot lying on the next sandbar. Perhaps it's because
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they're cops that they decide to investigate. As they get closer,
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they realize the boot isn't just lying there. It's sticking
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out of the sand. And then they find what seems
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to be a discarded jacket, too. Like the veteran hunters
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they are, the two men smell what they've found before
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they see it. A body, partially decomposed and buried in
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a shallow grave, although some of the sand covering it
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has evidently been washed away. It's clear to them, as
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police officers, but the body's been placed there and buried
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by someone, which can mean only one thing, murder. Without
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touching anything, they make a note of the site and
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return to their camp. At first light, they report their
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grim discovery to the Alaskan state troopers in Palmer. Sergeant
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Roley Port leads a team of troopers to the Kinnick River.
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Port is a skilled and meticulous investigator. He doesn't allow
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the crime scene to be disturbed until every inch of
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it has been photographed. He then supervises the careful sifting
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of sand taken from the grave as they expose the body.
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It's a long and laborious process, but it pays off.
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A shell casing is snagged in the mesh screen. Could
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this have come from the murder weapons? It seems likely,
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and if it has, it could turn out to be
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a vital clue. Under Sergeant Port's watchful eye, the body
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is carefully removed from its makeshift grave and taken away
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for autopsy. When the pathologist's preliminary report comes in, the
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troopers learn that the victim is a female. Her age
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is difficult to say, given the decomposition of the body.
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It's estimated that she's been dead for at least three months,
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maybe longer. If she was put there at the end
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of the last year, the winter temperatures would have preserved
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the body like it was in a freezer. And so
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it begins. Another case for the overworked homicide detectives of
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the Alaska State Troopers. Overworked because this isn't the first
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body that's been found in the Anchorage area in recent years.
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Not by a long shot. The question on everyone's mind is,
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could this latest death be connected to the others? The answer,
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as they will eventually discover, is yes. As always, a
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major investigation of this kind is a team effort. Many
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officers from multiple forces will play a part, but one
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officer's contribution will prove decisive. At the time this latest
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Jane Doe is discovered, State Trooper Sergeant Glenn Flothy is
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busy with 17 other homicide cases. You could say he's
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got a lot on his plate. For that reason, he's
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not initially assigned to this investigation, though he watches the
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progress of the case with interest. His reputation as a
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formidable detective means it's only a question of time before
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he's called in to help. Then, he will face the
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greatest challenge of his career as he leads the hunt
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for the most prolific serial killer in Alaska's history. My
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name is Mark Dotson, and welcome to Detectives Don't Sleep.
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Each week, we'll shadow the world's most remarkable sleuths Real
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detectives who worked extraordinary cases. This week, we follow a
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gifted but unlikely detective, the quiet-spoken and unassuming state trooper,
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Sergeant Glenn Flothy, as he follows a trail of killing.
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When a number of marginalized women go missing, hardly anyone
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seems to notice. Not even when the bodies start turning up.
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It takes Sergeant Flothy to join the dots and piece
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together the clues. that lead him to the door of
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a successful businessman. Could this respectable member of the community
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really be the cold-blooded predator killing sex workers? From Noiser,
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this is the story of Hunting the Hunter. And this
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is Detectives Don't Sleep. The 1980s in Alaska is a
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particularly grim and frightening time. In 1982, the murder rate
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is double that of the United States as a whole,
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making Alaska's homicide officers the most overworked in the nation.
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They feel the impact of the violence daily. The unsolved
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cases pile up on their desks, and whenever a missing
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person is reported, the fear at the back of everyone's
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mind is, will this turn out to be another murder victim?
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Of course, people go missing for all sorts of reasons,
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especially in a place like Alaska. Some simply get lost
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in its vast tracts of wilderness. Hikers, trappers, hunters, even
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the most experienced trackers can get caught out by a
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sudden blizzard, wander off the trail, and slip down an
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icy ravine, never to be seen again. There's always risks
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of bear attacks, too. But a woman found in a
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shallow grave together with a spent shell casing? That's a
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different story. It's not the landscape, it's not the wildlife,
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or the weather that killed her. It's another human being.
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The first notable killings of the 80s are centered around
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the city of Fairbanks, about 360 miles north of Anchorage.
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The bodies of five victims, all young women, are discovered
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between 1979 and 1981. It's clear that a serial killer
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is at large. Could the body found by the Kinnick
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River be another victim of the same killer? It's a
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tantalizing theory. It takes just over six hours to drive
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from Fairbanks to Anchorage along the park's highway. The route
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passes through some of Alaska's most rugged and spectacular terrain.
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A determined psychopath could certainly make the journey, both to
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escape the heat in their own hometown and to establish
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a new killing ground. But the detectives investigating the Kinnick
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River victim face a possibility even more frightening than a
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lone killer covering vast distances. The existence of two serial
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killers operating at the same time in different parts of
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the state. When the Kinnick River body is discovered, police
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in Anchorage have noticed an increase in the number of
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sex workers reported missing. Now, in Alaska, the disappearance of
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a few sex workers isn't usually a cause for alarm.
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It's viewed by some as little more than an occupational hazard.
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Sex work has been rampant in the state since 1968,
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when the discovery of oil brought about a huge influx
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of men to work oil fields. In the 70s, even
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more male workers flooded in to help with the construction
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of the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline. Most of these men were single,
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and there just weren't enough women to go around. The
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imbalance led to a boom in the sex industry. Women
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came from all over America to work the men who
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worked the oil. It was a transient and unstable lifestyle.
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The women drifted in and drifted out again. either because
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they'd grown tired of the work or made enough money
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to get out. Or maybe they got pregnant or were
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escaping an abusive pimp. Long story short, it wasn't unusual
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for sex workers to disappear without a trace. Generally, nobody
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gave it a second thought, not even the police, until
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the numbers rose above the baseline average as they did
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in the early 1980s. Detective Maxine Farrell of the Anchorage
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Police Department began to notice a pattern among the missing women.
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According to witnesses she interviewed, a number of them had
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been due to meet a mystery man who offered them
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an exorbitant amount of money for a simple lunch date
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or to take a few harmless photographs. They went off
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for their innocent-seeming rendezvous and never came back. So when
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two bodies were found in quick succession in 1980, alarm
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bells started ringing. The first was discovered by construction workers
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digging near the Eklutna River. This victim has never been
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identified and to this day is known as Eklutna Annie.
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Not long after, a second victim was found in a
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gravel pit nearby. She'll eventually be identified as Joanne Messina.
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former nurse. Could they be the victims of a serial killer?
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And could their killer be the mystery man who entices
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girls on dates with the promise of easy money? Maybe
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the Fairbanks perp on a killing trip. Despite her investigations
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into missing women, even Detective Farrell seems unwilling to think
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the unthinkable. At least, not publicly. We don't believe we
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have a mass murderer out Some psycho knocking off girls.
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She's reporting a thing. But we have to cover every possibility.
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Maybe this third body will make her change her mind.
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Sergeant Lyle Hawksman, homicide detective with the Alaska State Troopers,
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is assigned to lead the investigation into the Kinnick River homicide.
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In a departure from Detective Farrell's publicly declared positions, Hawksman
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makes a carefully judged statement. We've got to keep those
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other girls in the back of our mind. In other words,
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it's time to consider the possibility that the disappearances and
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deaths are all connected. Hawksman authorizes a team of troopers
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to search the sandbanks of the Kinnick River for other victims.
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The labor-intensive operation eats up resources and finds nothing. At
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the same time, Hawksman follows up any outstanding missing persons
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leads in the hope of identifying the latest victim. On
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September 27th, he gets a breakthrough. The Kinnick River body
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finally has a name. She's Sherry Moreau, a 24-year-old dancer.
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The circumstances of Sherry's disappearance, they're worryingly familiar. She was
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reported missing by her boyfriend, in November 1981. It didn't
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seem like she'd skipped town of her own free will,
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as she left everything she owned behind. And the day
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before she went missing, she told a friend that she
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was due to meet a man who had offered her
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$ 300 for a photo shoot. Yeah, this is huge. It's
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a definite link between the missing woman and an actual
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murder victim. Question now is, Who is this shadowy individual?
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There are a number of clues found on or near
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Sherry's body that may help provide the answer. First, remember
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that shell casing investigators snagged when they were sifting the
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gravel from the burial site? According to initial tests, it's
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from a. 223 caliber shell, which indicates a very specific
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kind of ammunition. the type used in a high-powered semi-automatic
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rifle or handgun. To Hogsman and his team, this suggests
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a serious weapons enthusiast, possibly someone ex-military or a survivalist,
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and alternatively, a competitive hunter. There's also, of course, another
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type of person who favors this kind of weapon, deranged
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mass murderers. Interestingly, the presence of the shell casing argues
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against Sherry's death being connected to the first of the
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two bodies found in 1980, the woman known as Eklutna Annie.
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According to the evidence, Eklutna Annie died as a result
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of stab wounds, and Sherry Moreau, the Knick River victim,
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was shot. One other vital piece of evidence was found
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on Sherry's body, an ace-branded elastic bandage that had been
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wrapped around her head Maybe it's a blindfold. Hogsman keeps
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this information out of the news. Maybe the killer still
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has the rest of the roll. Hearing about the discovery
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may prompt him to dispose of it, if he hasn't already.
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But the biggest clue will turn out to be something
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they don't find. When Hogsman interviews Sherry's boyfriend, he mentions
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a gold pendant in the shape of an arrowhead. that
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he had given her for her birthday. He says she
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never took it off, and yet it wasn't found on
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Sherry's body. Maybe it got lost in the violent attack
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that killed her, or maybe her murderer took it as
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a memento. For now, it's a crucial detail that's logged
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in the file. But despite these discoveries, Hogsman is no
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closer to knowing who killed Sherry Moreau On March 5th, 1983,
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police investigating the five women killed in Fairbanks close in
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on a U.S. Air Force technician called Thomas Richard Bunday.
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Bunday is now stationed in Wichita Falls, Texas. But in 1981,
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when the murders took place, he was serving on a
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base near Fairbanks. Bunday confesses to the murders of the
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five women. But in a strange oversight, No official warrant
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for his arrest has been issued, and he's released while
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the paperwork is completed. On March 15th, in the window
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created by this administrative error, he drives his motorcycle into
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oncoming traffic and is killed. There's little doubt that he
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killed himself to escape the consequences of his crimes. But
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the question is, could Bunday also be responsible for the
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murders of Eklutna Annie, Joanne Messina, and Sherry Moreau. It's
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theoretically possible, but there's nothing to put him in the
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Anchorage area at the relevant times. Sergeant Hawksman proceeds on
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the assumption that the killer he's hunting is still alive
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and still at large. On September 2nd, 1983, almost a
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whole year after Sherry Moreau's body was discovered Hogsman's assumption
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turns out to be correct. When the remains of another
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female victim are found, the site of the discovery is
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the Kinnick River, very close to the sandbar where Sherry
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was buried. According to the medical evidence, the latest victim
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died in in April 1983, about a month after Bunday's
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fatal accident. Bunday can't be the killer. Something else, something
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that links this case to Sherry Moreau's murder even more
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than the location. Troopers searching the crime scene discover a.
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223 caliber shell casing nearby. the victim was killed by
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the same kind of high-powered semi-automatic rifle as Sherry Moreau.
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Troopers send the casings off to the FBI's forensic lab
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in Quantico. Soon, they'll know whether the exact same weapon
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was used to kill both women. And if that's true,
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Bundy can't have been Sherry Moreau's killer either. And the
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troopers' worst fears will be confirmed. But there's a second
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serial killer prowling the Alaskan wilderness. It just so happens
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that when this second Kinnick River body is discovered, lead
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investigator Lyre Hogsvin is away on a much-needed vacation. The
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months of frustration and failure have taken their toll on him.
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The case passes to Sergeant Glenn Flothy, a detective with
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the Homicide Division of the Alaska State Troopers. Brown-haired and bespectacled,
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with a tall, gangly frame and an unassuming, almost geeky appearance,
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Flothy is an unlikely-looking police officer. His quiet demeanor is
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a million miles away from the usual abrasive bravado of
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the jaded cop, but his gaze is intense and determined.
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You get the impression that Flothy has seen it all,
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and it's affected him deeply. Somehow, it comes as no
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surprise that Flothy trained as a schoolteacher. In fact, he
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was all set to become one when, just out of interest,
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he took a community college course in police sciences. And
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that patient, schoolmasterly manner is still in evidence whenever he
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sits down with witnesses or suspects. He takes his time,
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tirelessly working away to earn their trust or chip away
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their lies. Flothy's approach may be unconventional, but it works.
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Of the 17 homicides in his caseload, he's solved all
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but one of them. The first thing Flothy does when
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he takes over the investigation is conduct a thorough review
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of all the missing women files. And nobody does thorough
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like Glenn Flothy. He goes back over every detail of
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these women's personal histories, cross-referencing timelines, and the places where
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they were last seen. He studies their faces, blowing up
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8x10 glossy photos that he places on the wall of
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his office, as well as investigating the murders of Sherry
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Moreau and the unidentified victim. Flothy reviews the two cold
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cases from 1980. The woman known as Eklutna Annie and
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Joanne Messina. Despite the difference in M.O. between Eklutna Annie
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and the most recent victims, Flothy is prepared to consider
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her as a potential victim of the same killer. She
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too was found in a shallow grave in a remote
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place by a river. He also believes there's a case
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for including Joanne Messina. Other police officers are skeptical. They're
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convinced they already know who killed Joanne, a suspect who
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failed a polygraph test when they were investigating the murder.
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They were unable to prosecute due to a lack of evidence,
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but as far as they're concerned, this man was Joanne's murderer.
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It doesn't look like he's a serial killer targeting random victims.
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He was linked specifically to Joanne Messina. Flothy's colleagues urge
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him to take Joanne off his list of victims, but
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with his usual quiet determination. You might even call it stubbornness.
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He keeps her picture on his wall. By day, Flothy
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immerses himself in the lives of the killer's typical victims,
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the sex workers of Anchorage. By night, on his own time,
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he reads up on serial killers. I guess it's the
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school teacher in him coming out. You know, always do
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your homework. In the 1980s, the actual term serial killer
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is still in its infancy, though the phenomenon itself has
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been recognized for decades. Even the police still use the
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term mass murderer and serial killer interchangeably. Though today, the
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first one specifically means someone who kills multiple victims at
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a single incident, while the second refers to a murderer
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who kills a number of victims over a period of time.
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Glenn Flothy is convinced he's dealing with a serial killer.
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As his wife drifts peacefully off to sleep beside him,
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he immerses himself in some of the most depraved acts
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that human beings have ever committed. Even for a seasoned
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homicide detective, The books make stomach-churning reading at times. But
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Flothy isn't studying them for their sensational shock value. He's
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reading them to learn. He wants to know what it
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is that makes these individuals tick. He needs to understand
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what he's up against. But he's also looking for patterns
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of behavior that he can match to his own cases.
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There may be clues in the books that can lead
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him to the Kinnick River Killer. So, Flothy reads long
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into the night. One book in particular fascinates him. An
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account of the crimes of Ted Bundy, the highly intelligent,
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handsome psychopath who confessed to killing 30 young women in
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the 70s. A university graduate who was active in Republican politics,
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Bundy came from a seemingly respectable middle-class background. Outwardly, he
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fit in. He was attractive, charming, and plausible. In the
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words of one writer who knew him personally, he was, quote, kind, solicitous,
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and empathetic, unquote. Inwardly, as Bundy himself put it, he
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was the most cold-hearted son of a bitch you'll ever meet.
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Could it be that Flothy is looking for somebody equally respectable?
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Maybe even a pillar of the community? Now, one incident
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in the Bundy story makes a big impression on Flothy.
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In November 1974, Bundy attempted to kidnap 18-year-old Carol Durange
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in Murray, Utah. She managed to escape from his VW
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Beetle and was eventually able to ID her would-be adductor
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in a lineup. Her evidence was crucial in his conviction.
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It's the kind of break Flothy dreams of catching. On
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September 13th, 1983, 11 days after the second Knick River
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body was discovered, Flothy gets the break he's been hoping for.
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Flothy may not have been on the case long, but
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he's already familiarized himself with a stack of reports and files.
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He's casting the net wide, looking into every incident that
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could be remotely relevant, always with the hope of finding
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a witness involved. who might have seen the killer in action,
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perhaps without even realizing it. There's a lot to go through.
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It's tedious, but essential work. Flothy doesn't let his concentration
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lapse for a moment. If he did, he might miss
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a vital lead. Now a file lands on Flothy's desk
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that has him sitting up and paying attention. So, it
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was three months earlier, in June of 1983, a young
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sex worker called Cindy Paulson reported being kidnapped and raped
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by a man who had offered her an exorbitant amount
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of money to go with him, which fits the profile
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of the mysterious figure enticing girls on dates. After assaulting her,
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the man drove her to an airfield outside Anchorage where
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he kept a light aircraft, telling her that he was
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going to fly her out to a remote cabin he owned.
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He said it was because he wanted to spend more
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time with her, but Cindy knew what he really had
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in mind. While her kidnapper was distracted, she managed to
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make her escape. Running barefoot and handcuffed onto a nearby
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freeway and flagging down a passing truck. He's gonna kill me!
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she told the startled driver who looked back and saw
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a man with a gun coming after them the trucker
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slammed his foot on the gas and sped off at
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Cindy's request he took her to a nearby motel she
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didn't want the police involved she was a sex worker
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with a john they weren't gonna take her seriously They
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might even end up charging her, but the trucker called
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them anyway. Sergeant Flothy reads a statement from the first
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officer to speak to Cindy Paulson, Greg Baker, from the
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Anchorage Police Department. When he found her at the motel,
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she was still in the handcuffs her kidnapper had put
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on her. She was also scared out of her wits.
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It was obvious that she'd endured a highly traumatic experience.
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Officer Baker released the cuffs and took Cindy back to
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the airfield, where she showed him her adductor's plane. He
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also spoke to a security guard who had taken down
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a license number for the car that the guy was driving.
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Flothy's excitement mounts as he reads on. For the first time,
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he feels like he's closing in on the killer. Officer
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Baker tracked down the owner of the car, who turned
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out to be a respectable Anchorage businessman. The proprietor of
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a bakery, in fact, by the name of Robert Hanson.
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When Officer Baker went to interview Hanson, he found some
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interesting things in his car. First, there was a roll
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of elastic band-aids. What brand? Yep, you guessed it. Ace.
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The very same type of band-aids that was wrapped around
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Sherry Morrow's head. He also spotted some cartridges, which to
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his highly trained eye, looked like they could be. 223 caliber.
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There was also a Thompson Contender pistol, which comes with
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interchangeable barrels, one of which is a. 223. And he
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also noticed a pair of latex surgical gloves, the type
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you might want to wear if you don't want to
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leave your fingerprints all over a crime scene. Of course,
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there might be a perfectly innocent explanation for why Hansen
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had each of these items in his car. But when
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you put them together, it looks kind of suspicious, don't
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you think? Officer Baker certainly thought so. He put Hansen
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in a lineup in front of Cindy Paulson. And sure enough,
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she picked him out as her kidnapper with no hesitation.
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Not a shadow of doubt in her mind. This was
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the guy who abducted her. But can you imagine how
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Sergeant Flothy feels reading this? They've got him. The Kinnick
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River killer. It has to be Hanson. And if Cindy
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Paulson hadn't managed to get away, she would have been
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another one of his victims. So surely the APD must
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have Hanson behind bars for what he did to Cindy.
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You'd have thought so. But it seems that they had
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a different opinion. Officers investigating the alleged kidnapping thought there
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were inconsistencies in Cindy Paulson's account. When she refused to
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take a polygraph test, they decided she was an unreliable witness.
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Not only that, Hansen produced not one, but two alibis.
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Two respectable members of the community swore that he was
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with them when the kidnapping was supposed to have happened.
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The first was a well-to-do manager of a big insurance company.
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The second was a boat builder. Both men would have
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stood up well before any jury. So, yep, Hansen was
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released without even being charged. Flothy can hardly believe what
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he's just read. There's no doubt in his mind Cindy
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Paulson was telling the truth. He's equally sure that Robert
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Hansen is the killer he's looking for, The witnesses who
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provided him with an alibi had to be lying. Flothy's
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disappointment turns to rage. Who knows how many women this
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handsome guy has killed since the APD waved him on
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his way. And if Flothy doesn't take him off the
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street soon, the next murder will be on him. Next
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time on Detectives Don't Sleep. Alaska State Trooper Sergeant Glenn
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Flothy is convinced he knows who's killing marginalized women in
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the Anchorage area of Alaska. But can he prove it?
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When he looks into Robert Hansen's past, he finds a
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history of disturbing and violent behavior. But somehow, Hansen has
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managed to slip through the net time and time again.
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If Flothy is going to catch this killer, He needs
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all the help he can get. So he calls in
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expert profilers from the FBI's Behavioral Sciences Division to help
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him get inside his suspect's head. You can bet it's
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not a comfortable place to be. Join us as we
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look inside the mind of a serial killer in Part
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2 of Hunting the Hunter on Detectives Don't Sleep.