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Trump says Tylenol bad for babies; Liberal women most affected | Maintaining Frame 181 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: who's edition.
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  Speaker 2: He's somewhere here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in the background. He's at the Badger Cave
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  Speaker 2: You actually hear him. He spoke, he spoke. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear him. Yeah. And this is maintaining frame one.
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  Speaker 1: Any one Trump says telling all bad for babies, liberal
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  Speaker 1: women most affected. Yeah, so I guess we're talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: It's a TikTok trend. At least it became a full
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  Speaker 1: TikTok trend. I don't know if we have we been
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  Speaker 1: to TikTok to see.
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  Speaker 2: I should go to Yeah, you should go to TikTok
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  Speaker 2: to confirm that it's a TikTok trend.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's what I heard. But I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it is. So let's see.
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  Speaker 2: But we I mean, even if it isn't a trend there,
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  Speaker 2: we can look at the logic of these individuals and
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, so what are we going to start with?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with like the tail and all nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna even get like, how
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  Speaker 2: much can you say about this aside from saying that
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  Speaker 2: Trump announced that there has been a causal link between
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  Speaker 2: tail and all consumption during pregnancy and autism, And of course,
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  Speaker 2: the Internet internets went nuts. The left left web went nuts.
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  Speaker 2: What are we calling it? The left web, the threat
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  Speaker 2: narrative pro the threat narrative political side went nuts because
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  Speaker 2: of course everything that Trump says, they have to do
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  Speaker 2: the exact opposite, which, you know, me looking at it
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  Speaker 2: from a situation of being Trump agnostic, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what that means. But you guys are essentially turning
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  Speaker 2: yourselves into idiots because of your antipathy towards this man. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and then we find like somebody compiled all of the
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  Speaker 2: outlets that showed that there may be a causal link
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  Speaker 2: between autism and pregnant women consuming time level.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't like, yeah, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Trump did the research?
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  Speaker 1: He's just announce I think Trump was just no, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't do the actual research. He just spoke on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was a press conference where Donald Trump and JJS
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  Speaker 1: Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior announced federal actions to address
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  Speaker 1: the autism epidemic, including an FDA review of acedamnifin Labely.
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  Speaker 1: They cited studies. There are studies from twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: JAMA review that suggests a link, maybe a weak one,
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  Speaker 1: And I think Trump said that he didn't say for sure, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: He said there's a possibility between prenatal ACEDA minifin use
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  Speaker 1: and increased risks of autism or ADHD in children, urging
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  Speaker 1: pregnant women to avoid it. That and because it came
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  Speaker 1: from this emitished women in particular flipped out everywhere and
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  Speaker 1: they just started doing the opposite, like on purpose, in
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  Speaker 1: spite to.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we can't say that the exact numbers of
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  Speaker 2: women who did.
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  Speaker 1: This, no, we don't. But even if they didn't, even
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  Speaker 1: if they didn't do it, there was still pushback. It's
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  Speaker 1: like saying, you know, sure only one guy killed Charlie Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: but and the thousands of people were celebrating it. So
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  Speaker 1: there is like a side that has been chosen in
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  Speaker 1: this conversation. I watched some of the videos and it
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  Speaker 1: looks like there are some women who are pretending to
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  Speaker 1: do it but they're not doing it. But there also
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  Speaker 1: are probably like ten percent of women that are actually
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  Speaker 1: doing it. And I mean that sort of probably makes
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  Speaker 1: sense for you know, like the people online, they're just like,
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  Speaker 1: this will get me a lot of views, and so
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, it's just like I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: just think it's insane. I don't care if you're faking
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  Speaker 1: it or if you're just being critical or whatever, you're
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  Speaker 1: just yelling. I think it's insane because it's like he
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  Speaker 1: can't say anything without getting a reaction like.
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  Speaker 2: This, you know, tweet up and then I sent you
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  Speaker 2: Thailand also.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I saw this too. Yeah, so this
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  Speaker 1: is a this is an official post from thailandl in
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, not new they said, we actually don't recommend
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  Speaker 1: using any of our products while pregnant. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: taking the time to voice your concerns today. Yep, they
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  Speaker 1: said this in twenty seventeen. Yeah, so when I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't even go into why that is. And
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  Speaker 1: again I yeah, I mean they just said, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: don't recommend it. And this is like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like is it is it just me? Or is this
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  Speaker 1: common knowledge that when you are taking any kind of
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  Speaker 1: pain medication, there's usually a warning saying, hey, don't take
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  Speaker 1: more than so many in such amount of time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: So you don't like, for whatever reason, they always tell
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  Speaker 1: you don't take too many of these, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: like I don't see how this is in any way controversial,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's being made controversial because the Orange Man
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  Speaker 1: said it, and that just like he can literally like
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  Speaker 1: get women to do whatever he wants by telling them
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  Speaker 1: to do the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. It's like, you
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  Speaker 2: guys are idiots like this, reardless and okay, regardless of it.
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  Speaker 2: If you have any criticisms of Trump, right, and I
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  Speaker 2: think some people do. Behaving in this way is deranged. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And even if you are trying to stick it to Trump,
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  Speaker 2: do like doing something that puts your unborn child at
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  Speaker 2: greater risk, which tyland All says it's contraindicated for pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: Don't take tiland al while you're pregnant to own the
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  Speaker 2: Orange Man is such deluded nonsense like it it's insane. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's irrational emotional thinking to the nth degree,
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  Speaker 2: to this to a self destructive degree. Well, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even read tile and all the labels before they started
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  Speaker 2: popping it. And again, yeah, some of these people, some
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  Speaker 2: of these women are probably just pretending just to stick
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  Speaker 2: it to if they want.
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  Speaker 1: To feel like they're part of the part of the
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  Speaker 1: crip I hate Donald Trump. Yeah, they're just getting they
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  Speaker 1: just want to be a part of the clique, so
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  Speaker 1: they're just doing it. It's it's to signal to their
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  Speaker 1: friends online. I agree with you on this thing, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not actually, Like we have some videos of pregnant women,
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  Speaker 1: you know, either really taking it or pretending to take it.
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  Speaker 1: You can usually tell. I think one of them has
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  Speaker 1: a blue pill, which I think, like a leave is
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  Speaker 1: blue still somebody you shouldn't take a ton of anyways.
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  Speaker 1: And again I don't know about the pregnancy thing, Like
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  Speaker 1: I think when you're pregnant, there are a number of
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  Speaker 1: new things, like new ways you have to live your life.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is just women feeling
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  Speaker 1: entitled to live their life however, they like no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: like even if they're pregnant, they want to go to
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  Speaker 1: the club, they want to drink alcohol like whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: there are people saying, you know, you probably shouldn't do that,
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  Speaker 1: and they get mad because someone dares to tell them,
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  Speaker 1: what make a recommendation? No, I mean I think so,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, like people ask, why do why is
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  Speaker 1: it Trump pisces women off so much all the time,
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's because he makes a recommendation, a
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle recommendation, and they don't like men telling them what
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  Speaker 1: to do. Even if they're not actually telling them anything,
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  Speaker 1: they can't enforce it. It's just like, yeah, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, And women go, now, you can't tell
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  Speaker 1: me why I can can and can't do. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do the opposite of that just for that. And I
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  Speaker 1: just like I do think that there is like an
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  Speaker 1: extreme like I don't know, delusion, well, no desire to
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  Speaker 1: rebel against like male men just in general. I think
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  Speaker 1: Trump's like the current man to do that too, But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who it is. Like next time a
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  Speaker 1: man in any position of influence says, ladies, I think
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  Speaker 1: you should do this, you're gonna get a reaction like this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be Trump. I think
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  Speaker 1: that he's just especially I don't know, radioactive to these women,
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  Speaker 1: but like RFK just for being friends with him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they love the Kennedys, Like before this they were fine
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  Speaker 1: with them, but you know, an RFK has been on
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a crusade when it comes to you know,
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  Speaker 1: like our food supply and medicine and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that he came with he comes with
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  Speaker 1: receipts a lot, and in particular he's going after he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to address the autism problem. They're calling it an
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  Speaker 1: autism of epidemic. I think there could be some truth
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  Speaker 1: to that. I didn't look into it. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: no reason to doubt it. I know that I'm surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by Spurgs, and I think that it'd be better if
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  Speaker 1: we did we had fewer Spurgs. I think they have
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  Speaker 1: a place in society, but I don't think we want
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  Speaker 1: to normalize it.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, But to be fair, where would the men's
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  Speaker 2: rights movement be.
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  Speaker 1: Without spurg Well, I don't think Warren Ferrell is a Spurg,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think Paul Elam is a Spurg, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we can. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Spurgs are are specially equipped. But look, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm being funny mostly, But theruth is is that I
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  Speaker 1: know a kid.
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  Speaker 2: They're especially equipped for amphibious assault.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, yeah, I know a kid though, that goes
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  Speaker 1: to our church and he was vaccine injured and he
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  Speaker 1: is like really on the spectrum, and they're pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it was a product of getting the jab, which, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, we can talk about now and and you know.
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  Speaker 1: RFK is talked about that too, And I think that
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  Speaker 1: like instead of like looking at this and saying, okay,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, is this a problem? Like is this
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing? If your child has autism? Is that
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing? Could that be a problem for them
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  Speaker 1: growing up? Right? And if it is, is there's something
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  Speaker 1: that can be done about it. How widespread is the problem?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And I think that they have said, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we probably don't want this at you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: scale that it's at, you're going to have like this sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And so they want to treat it like a problem,
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  Speaker 1: which is why they're calling it the epidemic. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that a lot of these people online they want
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  Speaker 1: to normalize it instead, and they want to say no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is like it's like another identity. It's like another identity.
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  Speaker 1: It's like being queer or trans or non binary. I'm serious,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's another identity, and they want to normalize
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  Speaker 1: that identity. So I think that's another problem because you
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  Speaker 1: have people that are trying to find solutions to what
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  Speaker 1: they think are problems, and you have people who say
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  Speaker 1: these are not problems, they should not be fixed. Because
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  Speaker 1: that suggests that you know that people have problems that
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  Speaker 1: should be fixed, and we don't want that. Instead, what
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  Speaker 1: we want is to normalize it and make you embrace it,
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  Speaker 1: and then like build society to adapt itself to give
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  Speaker 1: those people comfort. Right, So, I don't know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen I don't I don't think that's I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's good in my mind. But to normalize dysfunction
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  Speaker 1: and instead of like treating it as dysfunction, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you're mean to people. It doesn't mean that you
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  Speaker 1: alienate them. You know, you understand that they have a problem.
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  Speaker 1: But like if if a bunch of kids were coming
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  Speaker 1: out with Down syndrome, we would probably start asking questions
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  Speaker 1: or we would try to normalize it, and then we
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  Speaker 1: just have like, you know, thirty percent of the population
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  Speaker 1: has Downs syndrome and we're like, well, OK, how do
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  Speaker 1: we handle that.
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  Speaker 2: We also need to distinguish between Aspergers and autism.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're specifically saying autism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because autism is pretty severe. Most of the people
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  Speaker 2: who think they have autism just are on the Aspergers
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  Speaker 2: specirum in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the risk of you know, conflict of interest,
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  Speaker 2: I would like to advocate for those with Aspergers and
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the functionalness of the way that they think, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's just a way that it's a different way
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  Speaker 2: of approaching thinking. Because I'm not honest falling.
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  Speaker 1: For eugenics and to wipe out the Spurgs Allison, they
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  Speaker 1: can exist. I'm talking about future generations of children who
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  Speaker 1: maybe for whatever reason, because women are popping the pill,
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  Speaker 1: or they're drinking, or they're you know, whatever, they're doing
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  Speaker 1: to their body, because they don't actually consider what could
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  Speaker 1: affect their child, and they could be giving birth to
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  Speaker 1: children who are let's say, operating at less than capacity
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and that there's like I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to avoid that, That's what I'm no.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I understand that. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: I would argue that sometimes not you know, living in
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  Speaker 2: a series of how how it makes you feel is
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  Speaker 2: not the greatest thing. What I've noticed is that people
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  Speaker 2: who aren't on the spectrum tend to prefer to feel
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  Speaker 2: good then understand the truth. I'm just I'm just pointing. Then,
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  Speaker 2: I know that there's there is, there is problems with
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  Speaker 2: people on the spectrum.
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  Speaker 3: Two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we all exist. Of course we can't and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not again, I'm not trying to make an aught.
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  Speaker 1: I think that right now we're just trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what the is is before we get into the aught.
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  Speaker 1: And there are people like these, like these women online
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  Speaker 1: that don't want us to arrive at an EZ. They
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  Speaker 1: just want to normalize based on their feelings.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe there's also a problem with like seeing people
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  Speaker 2: who tend more towards like logical or reasoned analysis or
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  Speaker 2: obsession with certain things as autistic might be a little exaggerated.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, I'm I'm but like the kid from my
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  Speaker 1: from the my church can't communicate like that's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about. I'm not talking about kids that are nerdy
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, like they're introverted, nerdy, but and maybe they
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  Speaker 1: beget yeah, they get obsessive over certain things.
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  Speaker 2: Wait and nerdy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm talking about like people who you know,
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  Speaker 1: you wonder like could their life have been better? Could
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  Speaker 1: they have lived a normal life? And again, to suggest
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  Speaker 1: there is such a thing as a normal life that
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  Speaker 1: kind of like gets people's you know, alarm bells going off.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I hate to tell you there is such
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  Speaker 1: a thing as a normal life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure there is. I'm just like, can
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  Speaker 2: we find out what causes border like cluster B disorders?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, Well that's another thing. That's that that
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  Speaker 1: could be a whole other discussion that I think should
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  Speaker 1: also happen. Yes, I wouldn't. Look, I'm thinking the birth
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  Speaker 1: control pill has a lot to answer for. That's my
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  Speaker 1: that's my theory. Anyways, I don't know for sure, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't or cluster B could be a fatherlessness thing too,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, control pill with fatherlessness you get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and historyonics.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just find that the people on the
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  Speaker 2: cluster B to be so much more difficult to deal
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  Speaker 2: with than people who are asked bergy to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you know, Okay, But I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, anyway, that's that's that's a discussion. This is insane.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think that tiland all is going to make your
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  Speaker 2: kid aspy. It's probably gonna make your kid autistic, which
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  Speaker 2: you don't want, because that's a disability. I might argue
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  Speaker 2: that aspy is just a different way of processing information.
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  Speaker 2: But I imagine that what they're talking about when they talk
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  Speaker 2: about don't take tilan all when you're pregnant, is that
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  Speaker 2: you severe effects, severe effects not just getting a little
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: child that's a little bit nerdy and really likes dinosaurt
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So I did get a comment in the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: chat that I think is important to bring up with
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: regards to this badass Dan said in nineteen ninety fours
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: DSM four, and especially in the twenty thirteen DSM five,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the definitions of autism spectrum widened. Conditions that once were
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: diagnosed separately, like Asperger's bdd NS, are now under autism spectrum.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: So this is another problem. Like, and somebody else mentioned
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that the conflict appears to be with like the sort
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: of medical establishment, and that's a problem too, because like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the medical establishment has not proven itself to be very
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: credible in the last five years, so you're gonna get
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: people questioning it, and I think they should, and so
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna run into problems with that. Also, Yes, the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: DSM five has has moved things around, has widened definitions,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: has done other things, some of it even politically motivated.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not referring to this per se, but you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: there's definitely been some of that, and I think as
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a result, it's not wrong to call that stuff into
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: question the way I see it is at the end
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of the day when it comes to like the facts
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of what we know. If RFK comes forward, and I mean,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: like to be honest, no previous administration has done this
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: where like the Health and Safety people or whatever it's called,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: they've come out and they're basically telling you this is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: what we're looking into, this is an issue here or there.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Do you guys remember the health secretary last term? You know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like I didn't hear anything about them, but we saw
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: all their pictures and I'm like, if they are telling
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: us that there could be a link here, my instinct says,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: let's wait and see what they find and then just
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: go from there. You know. They I think RFK is
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: talked about birth control as well. Now if that comes
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: up in like a big statement, wow, get ready. Women
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: are gonna lose their minds if if they learn that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that they're telling them that birth control has all these
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: negative side effects and that and this is not controversial
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to know for people who want to know, but like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it's not common knowledge. When that comes out as common knowledge,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: women are gonna flip their shit because there they think
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that it's just kind of a like they're gonna to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: see it as an attack on their rights if it
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: comes out. You know, birth control has problems, and that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: how it's gonna be framed. So just prepare yourself for
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that and calling it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Now, okay, we have a super chow and then maybe
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we should move.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: To the I got the super chow up on the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: screen here. Richard Pierre gave us five and said, I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: waiting for the announcement to come out from Trump and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: RFK that drinking alcohol during pregnancy has been shown to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: have detrimental effects on a developing baby. Just to see
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: how many women will purposely do something that would result
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in a disabled child, just to own the orange man.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You know what? And again, this isn't this is this
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: is common knowledge, like like this whole like these are
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: things when you're pregnant you shouldn't be doing. I don't
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: know if like women are not getting the memo anymore.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But when I was growing up and I was learning
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: about pregnancy, you know, and they talked about what how
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a woman's body changes when she's pregnant and what this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: means for her and how she should like her lifestyle
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: has to change. This wasn't controversial, but apparently today it
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is so all right, anyway, do you want to look
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: at some videos of pregnant women.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, let's go take a look at let's.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Let's actually wait, I think, yeah, I know, we got
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: like three and I looked it up on X and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I looked up some TikTok. Yeah I did,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: so all right. I don't know if it's this has
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a challenge name or something, but let me see if
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: there's audio. I'm gonna play this now, hold on a second.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Making my child autistic with Thailand all challenge? Yeah, yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: may make your taking the bottom of the barrel.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Really so you see, she's got a blue pill, so
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that might not be a Tyler mark because I think
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: talano is usually white or red and white if it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a capsule. So this is not real maybe, but it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: still like she is she is sort of like signaling
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to her friends. So that's the way of these women
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: participating in eugenics, I.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Mean reverse eugenics. I would, Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: They're you genicizing their own kids potentially. But that's the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: thing too. It like if she does it and she's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: not really doing it, and another woman watches this and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: she decides to do it too, and but she really
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: does it is this woman ruining that other woman's life
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: potentially by like saying you should do this because I'm
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: doing this, because a lot of this is like look
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: at me, that this is what I'm doing. You know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I think there should be women saying,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he might have a point, but you can't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: do that because you can't admit that you're wrong or
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that you don't know. All right, here's another one. Here's me,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a pregnant woman taking tail and all because I believe
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in science and not someone who has no medical background. Wait,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you believe in science, but the science said that they
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: don't recommend in using these products. So wait what Okay,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: well I believe in the science. Okay, t only twelve seconds,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: so hopefully the song won't.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Get us singed well and we're not gonna be doing Boy,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: this is the hell is this? Like this is just insanity.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It's just resentment. I mean, I don't know what else what.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Is with this music? Like it's insane?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is TikTok stuff though, yeah they do.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I just it's like, why would you even what is it?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of this? I'm really curious, Like.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: The other thing. The other thing too, is I'm putting
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it in context. Do you remember when Trump mentioned I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: remected and how people reacted to that, and he said, oh,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like I've remectin you could use that, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: people are like horse pace, horse paced, and so that Well,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's what this is. He's right, that's the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: guy who recommended horse pace even though it works, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Lindsay and I used it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, somebody mentions the irs now, so will ensure companies? Yeah, congratulations, ladies.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just show.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Let publicly that you disregard the health of your child
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and see if that if that actually impacts your insurance. Yep,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: oh good lord. This is absolutely like and again, what
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: are they trying to say? Like, what are you trying
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to say with this?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: People? You actually read good things like science.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: But if they actually read the tailanol label, it would
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: say not recommended for use during pregnancy.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Right, But they want to they want to stick it
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to the Orange man. At this point, you guys are insane,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: right you you you are certifiably insane, even if you're
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: not doing it, you're insane, Like this is this is
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: just this, There's no excuse for this nonsense. The movie
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: there is I don't know, maybe maybe we can divine one.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: All right, do I want to let's let's some did
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you want to finish watching this woman? This is apparent surgeon.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Who's yeah, this is another video, but I want to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: read this bit. This is Michelle y Vu, MD. She
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: does fertility medicine in New York. Twenty eight weeks pregnant.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna that what I'm going to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: take some tailan all with acidamnifin and my baby won't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: have autism. Laughs. These people need to lose their medical
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: licenses again. This woman is in fertility medicine. There's a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent chance she will still be advising all
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of her patients to take tailan all.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And you're going to use your child as a prop
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: in your little passion play against Yan, who honestly is
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: not even I don't know why they have such hatred
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: for this guy because he's not even particularly conservative.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I did it, guys, you did it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Congratulations, You're an utter moron.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And also this could be like child abuse. You don't
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: use your child as a prop in your little passion play.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Good lord, let's let's go to just some regular feminist shenanigans,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: because I'm feeling like these shenanigans are advanced shenanigans, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And I just step back, go on easy mode for
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a bit, read the article.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go back to.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: With our miss injury.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: All right, let me close these. But yeah, for the record, no,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this is women signaling to other women about how great
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: they are, that's all. And there's a little bit of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a suggested like, you know, if you're one of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: good ones, you'll participate in this, Like it's like a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: bit of a social contagion.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, what what what is? Uh? What? What
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: kind of articles does Olivia pet her? Usually?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe we could look at.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Her Oh yeah, let's see corpus.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Is that how you say it? Uh?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look at her body of work.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Body of work CD.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Is an award winning This is an English paper, I believe,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the Independent. That's why her name is Petter. Sounds like
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: some you know, Olivia, it's an award winning journalist.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Writer. What Yeah, that's what I've noticed, Like people who
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: want to actually write stories often end up in journalism
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: because they can't just writing a story, writing a novel,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: even writing in a short story requires a set of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: skills that they don't have, Like, it's actually incredibly difficult.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: So they go into journalism and said, because then they
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: can be fiction writers and nobody fact checks them, or
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: nobody even checks them for veracity. Right, see what I mean.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It's easier to be a journalist and lie about reality
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: because nobody's going to fact check you for veracity than
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: be a novelist and have to construct a world that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: has the patina of truth. But they're still just constructing nonsense.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Like all right, let's keep sorry. I just wanted to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: put that out, all right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Olivia an award winning journalist, author and broadcaster based in London.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: She is the columnist at The Independent or a Columnist Columnist,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and has also written for The Sunday Times, The Guardian,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: British Folk Stylist and Gross. Yeah she reads to the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Guardians what I'm saying, Yeah, definitely one of those. She
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: hosted the Independence chart topping Millennial Love podcast later renamed
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Love Lives for six years. In twenty twenty three, she
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was named one of Forbes's thirty Under thirty. She wrote
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: her first book, Millennial Love, in twenty twenty one, which
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was followed by her debut novel gold Rush in twenty
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: twenty four. Village by the Fort. Hunh.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at novel, you know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Gold Rush Olivia is represented by Emma Leong at Janklow
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and Nesbit. No no idea what that is? All right?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So silver articles, the y two k look you hoped
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you'd never see again, and five more autumn trends. So
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it's like fashion stuff. The reality behind the hidden crisis
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of suicide among new fathers. Oh, I could open that one.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: The unstoppable rise of invisible string theory. No idea what
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that means. Electoral lights are everywhere, but they work. Leggings
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: are unofficial, officially uncool. I don't see anything like too egregious.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But we could take a look at these. The rise
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of suicides among fathers.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Reality behind.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we probably should do is click that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and then go to the last paragraph to find the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: concluding statement, the summary. Yeah, that's usually where they put
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: their their conclusion. I was thinking of another a synonym
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: for conclusion that was a little pointed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's not the last thing, because that's more
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: like a follow. There's like a story. So she has
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like an anecdotal story that goes on for a while.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So currently, fathers are excluded from specialist prenatal uh prenatal
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: mental health services in the UK this or perinatal sorry.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: This is despite the fact that up to thirteen percent
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of dads are thought to experience depression during pregnancy and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: early parenthood, and yet the only nation recording the age
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: of children at the time of parental suicide is Wales. Meanwhile,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: maternal mortality is recorded nationally. Hence thousand and one Critical
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Days Foundation has awarded a million dollar a million pound
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: grant to Home Start with the aim of nationally rolling
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: out its Dad Matters program. It supports new fathers through
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: one to one confidential support as well as group services
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: designed to help dads understand their role in early childhood
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: development and build bonds with their babies while maintaining their
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: mental health. Men struggle to talk about their mental health anyway,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: but when they're having a baby, a lot of them
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: think they must look after their partner and not be self.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Men don't struggle. Men don't struggle talking about their mental health.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Men who suicide have contacted service providers, they just haven't
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: received the help they need.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Simple as that women receive the help they need men don't.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Men go on to kill themselves. The end has nothing
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to do with men struggling or failing or toxic masculinity.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It's just the help isn't there for them. And I
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: mean I've been I've been going into a deep dive
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: on why the help isn't available for them, and I've
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: found very explicitly that in Australia, abused men are held
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to a higher evidentiary standard than abused women, and they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: are subject to something I'm calling sudden death, which means
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: if their abuser does a false counterclaim, they are they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the man is now the abuser. So when you're dealing
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: with a system with that level of antipathy and stigma
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and bias against you, and that system and then men
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: are failed by that system and then they're blame as
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: having not opened up or they're toxically masculine. That's why
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: they're not reporting their domestic violence. No, they're not reporting
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: their domestic violence because feminists have made it more difficult
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for them to see justice. And that's across the board
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: with all kinds of services, services from psychology and that
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: are completely tailored to women well, allegedly. I'm not sure.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much they actually help women, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they are tailored against recognizing men as being as legitimately
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: living their lives, not failing, but actually you know that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: they have coping skills. Instead, they focus on this idea
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that toxic masculinity leaves them bereft of coping skills and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: makes them more likely to And it's all a bunch
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of Fundamentally, it is a bunch of stigma and bias
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: against men, all of it, All of these services are
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: saturated in it, which is why when men speak out,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: they don't get help. They speak out, but they don't
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: get help, and then they go on to suicide. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: these institutions then, instead of doing some serious self examination,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: what do they say while they should have spoke out.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: More so, if if the suicidal men speaks out seven
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: times to the services that are supposed to help him,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: he should have spoken out eight times, and then his
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: suicide wouldn't be his own fault? Is that it? It's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: like anyway, So I'm just putting that out there. Again.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: This is not as bad as it could be, but
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: still it is turning the finger back on men for
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: not being served by services that explicitly say they don't
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: want to serve men. Okay, so it's not bad, but
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it's it's not the worst out there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: She wrote, I don't know if this could be its
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: own show. But misogynistic chat rooms, bogus science, and rape myths,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: what exactly happens in the manisphere? And of course this
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is linked to adolescents because they have to so adolescens
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: was created in order for the meeting conversation.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: There went all of my charity for this one.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Ye of course, and yeahs in rape myths?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: What are the rape myths? I wonder that men get raped?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It's the UK. They don't recognize that men can get
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: raped by women? There? What are the Okay, we shouldn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: go into this. This is a freaking black hole. Maybe
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: we have time after the other one. Let's let's look
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: at the let's look at what we said we would
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: look at stick to the script.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the script. Okay, So how viral
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: man hating memes went too far? And I think I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: think that the tone I'm going to predict, the tone
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of this is not so much that we shouldn't do this,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but rather we're doing it, and it's starting to like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we're starting to get some backlash, and so
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: maybe we should, like, you know, contain the optics so
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that we can attract men back, because we're losing them
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and we need to keep them, like on the plantation.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. But let's see, the Internet has
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: always hated women. The first sentence.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, charity is no negative.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: The Internet has always hated women.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: How is this read?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of long.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, what did I set us up for?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. You don't look at
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: these things. Well, look, if it goes, you can look
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: at the paragraphs and see what the let's.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Just I will keep my mouth shut. Okay, just read
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: paragraph stop and I will. I will just sit here
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and I will.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I'll just read two paragraphs and then if there's something
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about, we'll talk about it. Otherwise I'll just
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: keep going. Sgty thrives in spaces where the propensity for
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: anonymity is high and any kind of accountability is low. Now, though,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it seems that the Internet also hates men, particularly the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: ones who date women. Hm hmm. If you're looking for evidence,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: just been a few minutes in a single straight woman's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: social media algorithm one quick look get mine, and I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: inundated with clips and memes like that. Take hashtag men
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are trash to another sharper tooth frontier. I hate when
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: energy drinks are marketed towards men's reads one meme on Instagram.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: What could they possibly need energy for? Telling? Lies? On
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: x Twitter, a post states getting your heartbroken by a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: non committal man with a slutty mustache is like losing
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: chest to a dog. Hey, I take I take offense
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to that. Another reads One cool thing about dating men
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in your twenties is that you get to experience motherhood.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: What is that? Anti mail? One? Cool because they're boys
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: right there?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Boys right?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, I get it, totally.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: They're older than them. Too interesting?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, you you want more treats? Should do you deserve
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: more treats? I'm gonna squitch you. Okay, go ahead, Ryan,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: let's keep it okay?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Not not okay. So, despite the fact that the Internet
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: has always hated women is kind of bullshit, the acknowledgment
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of man hatred online is promising.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. We'll see where it goes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Then there's the litany of parody TikTok videos and Instagram
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: reels reinforcing the same deeply hetero fatalistic message about modern
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: dating hetero fatalistic. There's that term again, didn't we like
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: do something on that? I mean, why wouldn't you just
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: call it anti natalists or something? In this one or
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: anti relationships? I don't know. In this one, a man
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: pretending to be talking to his therapist says he has
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: an inclination to cheat on his girlfriend, but is worried
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: about her finding out in case it hurts his reputation.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Men in therapy probably reads the caption. Several other clips
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: feature videos of women walking, all with the same overlaid text,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: don't let the fact that you're attracted to men stop
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you from hating them. Then there's the viral TikTok featuring
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Steve Carell from the Office with the caption dating men
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Is it easy?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: No?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Do I like it? No? I don't. But do I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? I do. As chung and cheek as
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it may be, the ubiquity of rhetoric like this online
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: isn't necessarily something that takes so lightly. All of it
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: sends the same rather depressing message to women about what
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it's like to date men today, which is basically horrible.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Social media has created a space where extreme voices are amplified,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and content that ridicules or diminishes men often spreads rapidly
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: because it provokes strong emotional reactions, explains Lauren Cren, relationship
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: coach and host of the podcast Masculine and Feminine Dynamics.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, go ahead, Okay, so she's acknowledging
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the existence of this, I would point out that I have.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I've actually started to use GROC to analyze some of
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the profiles of the women that I argue with, and particular,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I ask GROC how much is this person's Twitter feed
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: devoted to men? And GROC says eighty usually comes back
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: with like eighty to ninety five percent, So these women
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: are completely centered on men, and these women who hate
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: men are completely centered on men. And then I ask ROC,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: what are the mental health implications of spending so much
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: time talking about and ruminating over something that you hate
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and you think you're a victim of And GROC comes
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: back with not good. And then I asked, okay, so,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: but with a caveat, if they use that for positive advocacy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Apparently that results in good mental health outcomes. So I ask,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: what's the difference, what is the difference in behavior between
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: people who talk about things that they find problematic and
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: have better help mental health outcomes and those that don't.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: And GROC comes back with emotional dwelling. If you are
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: dwelling in your negative emotions in regards to these topics,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and rather than pursuing proactive strategies like information exchange, analysis
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and taking action in the real world, or or you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: doing doing things that are proactive, having goals, taking action.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And I say, well, GROC analyze their analyze their their
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Twitter profiles for taking action versus emotional rumination, which are
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: they doing? And GROC comes back with emotional rumination. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: so it's like, this is encouraging women to pursue destroying
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: their own mental health right there there is. And actually
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the reason why I say that is because it not
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: only encourages them to center their lives around men in
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the most negative way possible, it encourages them to learn
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: helplessness in relation to men, because that's what patriarchy theory
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: teaches you, that women are always weaker and more helpless
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: relative to men, and the only thing that the only opportunity,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the only thing that they can do to speak out
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: against the fact that they can never get out of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: man's world is simply to ruminate on how much they
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: hate men, which destroys their mental health even further, so
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: they're caught there. What's happening is you have these tar
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: pits of women online who are destroying each other's mental
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: health and their dating prospects absolutely, and there is no
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: way an individual man can extricate these women from that
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: black hole of self destruction. Sorry conservatives, because they're the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: ones who usually talk about this. There's no way. We
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: got to fix it at its root, and that means
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: we got to stop allowing this stuff to be promoted
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: or somehow we have to shame it. We've got to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: figure out some way of reducing its scope if we
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: want to solve this sickness that has gripped women, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: in particular it's women. And it's in particular it's women
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: because not only are these these enclaves, these tr pits
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: on the Internet of women of these self reinforcing which
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: is destroying each other's happiness. There is government, media, academia,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: NGOs and corporations who all support this activity and all justified,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: all give women frameworks in which this activity is justified.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And in fact, it's the only activity you engage can
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: engage in to smash patriarchy, even though it does nothing
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of the sort. It just smashes your own mental health, right,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And of course all of these institutions are likewise self reinforcing,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: because you can't get in there and point out, hey,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: patriarchy as envisioned by feminists never been proven. And in fact,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I actually went back and forth with GROC on this one.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: There is they actually did, like there were like maybe
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: two studies in the history of feminist scholarship that looked
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: at the null hypothesis that they're that their hypothesis about
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: how men and women relate wasn't true, and we got
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: mixed results and null results. And I'm pretty sure the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: mixed results are like, well, men appear to be just
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: as damaged as women, which is a null result. Okay,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: So everybody's destroying and everybody's promoting the destruction of women's
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: mental health based on something that hasn't even been proven.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: This is the most retarded activity in human history, Like
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: this is this is just it's just a civilization, just
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: one day waking up and saying we need to select
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the form of our destroyer because we're too happy and prosperous.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So how can we destroy ourselves because we're bored? Okay?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: How can we destroy this stream because we're a cat? Okay,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: let's let's keep going.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Part Oh so I looked up this
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: mask and in Dynamics podcast while you were ranting. It's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: basically some Alex sykeshit. It's some dude and he's talking
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: about energies and stuff, and I'm just like, oh my god,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a podcast about relationships made by a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: man for a female audience, if that makes sense. So
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: it's not really like men won't get much out of them,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's what I think the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Alex sit psych types are, that they they they're successful
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: because they say things they disappeared.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: What I think Alex Syke has disappeared. Sorry I just
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: squirreled on. You continued, Oh okay.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Well anyway, never mind, let me move on. Part of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: this is about understanding how the Internet works, nuance and moderation.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Just don't click instead, the algorithm's reward outrage, which often
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: means divisive content that clearly sits on one side of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: a debate. That way, it's likely to attract an engauged
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and ideally impassioned audience who will fervently comment and like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to their hearts to light. Black and white statements require
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: less introspect, whereas the truth is always more nuanced, says Kran.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Nuanced saying all men are bad is easier than saying
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I have been hurt by someone with damaging traits. My
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: heart is afraid to open again. Yet I know there
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: are still good men out there. Yeah, yeah, But would
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you give that same courtesy to the supposed internet that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: hates women that you said right in your first sentence, Yes,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and that yeah, of course not. That's not to say
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: there isn't true to what's being said in the dating space.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Kran has seen a major rise in the number of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: women publicly voicing anger, resentment, or dismissal toward men as
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a group, but not just towards specific behaviors. What was
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: once limited to small communities or private conversations is now
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: broadcast and consumed on a mass scale, and it has
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: even become fashionable in some sort of to speak about
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: men in ways that would never be tolerated if directed
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: at women.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That's that's always been like. There have always circle like
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that where it would be yeah, and then they wonder
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: why men are just checking out? Mm hmm okay.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: But is is all this mere empty misndrosus rage? She
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: used the word she used the word misunderss. But is
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this all? Or is all this mere empty miss andress
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: rage designed to keep us staring at our screens or
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: helping the next aspiring love island star go viral? Or
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: is there a very real and important truth underneath it all.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Certainly among my single female friends at least, there seems
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to be a sense of camaraderie that comes from exchanging
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: these kinds of memes and reels. One sends me different
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: memes daily, and another frequently shares them to great acclaim
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: in a WhatsApp group. They make me laugh too. One
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: trend depicting men the day before they goes to you
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is particularly popular. Typically, it shows a man gushing over
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a woman in a hyperbolic manner, telling her he wants
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to marry her, introduce her to her parents, also known
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: as love bombing. Yes, it might be insulting to men,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: but it's also funny and relatable.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Good look, I'm gon I gotta, I gotta stop you.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You are creating friendships around shitting on another group of people.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: That's what this is. That is despicable, right, And again
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: she says, it's not just calling men out on their behavior. Now,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it's just shitting on men, right, just outright shitting on men.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And I get like these when I get in contact
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: with women who are part of these kind of circles,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they always say, oh, you shit on women. No, I
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: say that women will be well rised to the standards
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: that they're held to, and they're not held to any
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: standards when it comes to men. That's just a plain observation.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And this is the response. This is the result. Women
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: think it's okay to have relationships that revolve around shitting
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: on men, Like that's okay. I mean, isn't this what
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: we condemn in cells for, even though I don't really
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: necessarily see that in cells just trying. I think in
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: cels want people to acknowledge that women desire certain things
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and men that they don't have those things. It's not
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: necessarily their fault that they don't and just be honest,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and the fact is that people refuse to do that
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: because they feel like it insults women, which I guess
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: it does. So in cells become angrier and angrier. Actually,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: they get more and more depressed because they just don't
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: want to be gaslighted by normies. That's it. But here
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: we have women who specifically are making friendships around shitting
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: on the opposite sex. But that's okay, there's a deeper truth.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I like to see it because from where I'm sitting,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: you're just appalling human beings.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from it, And look what kind of look there
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: are men who will ghost women and stuff. But then
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: like what kind of men are they? Like, why are
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you like if you find this relatable, then what kind
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: of men are you dating that? That's what I'm not
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to shit on those men. I'm just saying, like, is
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it like a small number of men who have basically
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of options, so they're okay with ghosting you
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: because there's another chick they like more. And why are
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you mad about that? Like you're going are you going
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: after the top one percent? Is what I'm saying, And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that's why you're getting ghosted? Is that? Why? Right?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Well, what's happening is they're all.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Probably he like does not text the very next morning
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what the hell? Or maybe he did
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: text the very next morning, You're like, this guy's getting clinging.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The rules are always changing.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: The icks are always multiplying.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, the X list continues to grow. Men can't keep up.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: From an interpersonal neurobiology perspective, humor like this can act
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: as a defense mechanism, says Jessica Baum, psychotherapist and author
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of Safe, an Attachment informed guide to building more secure relationships.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It helps regulate overwhelming feelings of rejection or abandonment by
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: turning them into something laughable. On a nervous system level,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: It's a way to charge pain and temporarily regain a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: sense of power. Okay, that was like you're just saying
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: this can be It's okay to laugh at men sometimes. Basically,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: in this sense, engaging with this content could be perceived
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: as a net positive if it makes you feel better
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: about a disheartening dating scenario. Who are we to judge?
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: There is a fine line, though, if the humor becomes.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: What if shitting on men makes you feel better, it's okay?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's good for your brain. There is a
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: fine line, though, If this humor becomes the dominant narrative,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it reinforces a protective stance rather than opening us up
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to deeper, more vulnerable connection. And vulnerability is the very
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: thing our nervous system requires to feel safe in a relationship.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Explain no, Okay, let me tell you this. Guys, don't
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: even try to extricate a woman from one of these
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: tar pits. Just leave them alone. Just leave them alone,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: because you are in more danger than they will ever
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: conceive of. Honestly, I always felt bad about saying this
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to men, but these women are undatable. They are undatable,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: and they are dangerous. Avoid them completely. But take a
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: look at our social media history. If she's in one
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: of these tar pets, which you can easily find, just
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: ask rock on Twitter, what is the total content of her?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: What is it focus? Is it focused on men? Negatively? Right,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: she's in a tar pit. There's no way of getting
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: her out, and unfortunately, the government empowers women to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: extremely dangerous to men. Like Okay, I'm gonna use the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: thing that's on my mind now because I'm arguing it
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: for the last three days. An ros, which is the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Feminist DV organization in Australia, which has the greatest amount
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: of any organization feminist or otherwise on Australia's domestic violence
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: a law and policy. Literally, men who are victims of women,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: and these women will make you a victim like this
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: is this is precipitating. These kinds of attitudes towards men
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: are causally linked to sexual violence in women. In other words,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: women that have these kinds of attitudes engage in sexual
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: violence against men. And I think also domestic violence. Don't
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: quote me on that. So these are these are not
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: nice women, and if they get you in their clutches,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: you can expect some violence, and then when you are
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: tired of it, you can expect more violence. And if
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you if you're an Australian most likely and everywhere in
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the West, if you go to the authorities, you have
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: to show that she is engaging in coercive control and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: violent behavior to a far higher standard than she has
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: to control. And this is something that men need to know.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: You are not protected. When you're in a relationship with
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: a violent sexually or physically violent or emotionally violent way,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you are not protected. You will have to be able
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to prove your case to a far higher standard. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: here's the kicker. If she decides to make a false
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: accusation against you, you're done. You're cooked, it's over. You
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: are the abuser, and you lose your rights. Do not
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: go anywhere near women like this, right, you guys need
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to start looking at her social media history. If you
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: see crap like this, run ghost no wonder these women
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: are ghosting. I'm sure there's some men out there who've
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: realized this. You know, they're like, I'm gonna take her
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: home to my mom. Looks at her social media block
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: click really, and that's exactly what men should be doing
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: with women like this, And you shouldn't be giving attention either.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Look at her social media feed. Get Grock to do
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: an analysis. This is probably the best at this point,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: This is probably the best way for a man to
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: protect himself. Ask Grot how much of her social media
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: presence is talking about men in the negative? If you
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: get if you get results like eighty five ninety percent,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: run right, Okay, tell her that you've moved to a
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: different fucking state. Right, Make sure you don't tell her
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: how to contact you in the first place. Before you
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: look at her social media run. Probably if you get
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: results like ten fifteen percent negative, it's it might not
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: be a good thing, right And like I say this,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: because men have you end up getting sucked into one
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: of these women's worlds. You will end up becoming the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: thing that she complains about her her girlfriends with. Because
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: she's more interested in having complaints to bond with her
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: girlfriend than she is having a relationship with you. You
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: are simply fodder for her. Next, my ex was a
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: narcissist complaints with their girlfriend. Yep, this is fucking scary.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: And again, services that are supposed to help you if
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: you get involved with a psycho like this won't okay, okay.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It also reinforces helpful unhelpful stereotypes. Let me just make sure. Yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: this is where I left off about dating, specifically those
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: around attachment styles. Many of the negative clips and memes
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: about male behavior and dating revolve around the assumption that
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: all men are emotionally unavailable, self sabotaging, commitment phobic cavemen
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: being emotionally unavailable is so fun, I see, I see
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: why men do this? Reads one post on x which
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: has been parroted several times across the internet. Then there
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: are those countless ghosting videos which tap into a wider
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: narrative around men being incredibly keen at first and then
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: suddenly vanishing the truth.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Why, like, seriously, have you considered cause here, ladies, you're
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: part of these groups that you shout red flags, maybe yeah,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: causing to run away. You're part of these groups that
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: shit on men and then suddenly men ghost you. I
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: wonder why? Okay?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: The truth is that both men and women can struggle
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: with avoidant attachment, says Baum. Avoidant attachment often looks like
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: ghosting or diving in quickly, only to pull away when
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: real intimacy shows up. This is a pattern I've seen
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: frustrate many women, and culturally it has been stereotyped as
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: a male behavior. But it's not. Still there is truth
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to it, otherwise the means wouldn't hit home. According to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two study published in the journal Behavioral Sciences,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: men are more likely to have an avoidant attachment style,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: whereas women are more likely to have an anxious attachment,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: which is characterized by a fear of being abandoned by
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: your partner and can result in a requirement for constant reassurance.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Those are kind of a bad combo too, because if
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the man is slow to attach and the woman is
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: paranoid that she's being abandoned, then they're gonna have like
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: issues where you know, where there's like it's going to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: come down to the patients of one person or the other.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: We likecause the thing.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Is that if having an anxious attachment style is not
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: a good thing either. All this study has shown that
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: men and women have different things that they need, different
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: types of shit they need to stow.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: In these In these groups, it's just men who have
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: a problem, men who need to change, men who are wrong,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: men who are shit, men who don't know how to love.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: But there are exceptions, and leaning too heavily into stereotypes
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: will prevent us from seeing them, because ultimately, all this
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: is harming men and women. For women, it's a case
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of getting trapped in a cycle of negativity. That means
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: we go looking for trouble where there might be none.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: We go into dates, assuming the worst and often projecting
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that onto the men themselves, subconsciously or not. Culturally, we
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: champion an independent self sufficiency, self reliance and success, but
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: what often gets overlooked is the loneliness and isolation that
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: comes with this way of being, says Bam. Many women
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: buy into this independence era, but the messaging can sometimes backfire,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: leaving them more disconnected and hurting inside. The truth is
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: thriving happens in connection, not in isolation. For men, the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: consequences were explored in a recent survey of one hundred
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: single men conducted by The Cut, which highlighted the anxieties
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: men have about being vilified on social media for their
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: dating habits. I am terrified of becoming the next viral TikTok,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old New York man told the publication.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: All your responses are likely being circulated into a group chat,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a twenty six year old Texas man said. Many also
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: pointed to west Elm Caleb, the man who became persona
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Nongrada on TikTok for allegedly ghosting several women in New York.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: West Elm Caleb did I did we cover that?
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Talked about it briefly.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of remember that. Okay, Well, look there
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: is an acknowledgment that men go through it too, so
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that's kind of surprising.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is there assigning responsibility and blame to women
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: for putting men through.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: This doesn't look like it. It's too wrong. Who cares?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: That's what it sounds. Well, not really, it's.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Not really a wrong because again we're starting from the
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: premise that women have an anxious attachment style, men have
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: an avoidant attachment style. But only one of them is wrong. No,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: they're both wrong. Start right from the start. Both have
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: problems they have to overcome. Women are adding to their
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: anxious attachment style getting into these tarpits and violating their relationships.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: But with men by turning them into fodder for rumination
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and constructing these disturbing friendships with other women. That is
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a massive violation of men. So we start from men
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: and women have things to overcome, neither of which is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: particularly worse. We add in a massive violation by women
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: to the male partners, the men that you're they're dating,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: and somehow we get two wrongs. No, there was no
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: two wrongs. Men have done nothing. They've done nothing. They
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: have their problems, Women have their problems, and then women
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: add to their problems this monstrosity, this monster from the id.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it is concerning on many levels, says Krenn,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: of the proliferation the proliferation of this kind of content online.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: It harms men because it normalizes a narrative that they
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: are inherently unworthy, untrustworthy, or disposable, and it harms women
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: because it breeds cynicism and makes it harder to approach
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: relationships with an open heart. It also creates a divisive
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: dating culture built on fear, resentment, and in some cases rage,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: bait and mysery is normalized.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Huh, and it's entirely driven by women. Yeah, they're gonna say, oh,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: men are instigating it by having avoidant attachment styles or whatever. Well,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: they're not instigating shit, right, you are. They're both men
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: and women have their problems. You are taking men's problem
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and using it to justify doing something that is a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: violation of others. Yeah, you know, somebody having an avoidant
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: attachment style is just has an issue in their relationships.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: You are amplified. You are using that as an excuse.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Women are using that as an excuse to engage in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: this toxicity. Okay, I don't see men using women's anxious
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: attachment style to engage in this kind of toxicity.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you mean. Maybe, Yeah, I haven't
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: seen it. But when mis injury is normalized, men often
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: either shut down and withdraw from dating, or they respond
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: with equal hostility. Both reactions fuel the cycle of separation
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: and leave little space for authentic intimacy.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: And trust their reactions.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: But there is something interesting in this statement that I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: think is important to point out. He said, I'll read
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: this again. When MYS injury is normalized, which I think
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: it is, I mean, I think it has been.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: For a while normalized.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, beyond normalized, it's.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Incentivized, and if you don't engage in it, you are
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: bashed as a woman.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a pick me. When MYS injury is normalized,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: men often either shut down and withdrawal from dating, or
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: they respond with equal hostility. So there there is ever
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: there is a problem they are seeing now, there they
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: So this article is actually like the silver lining is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: they can't ignore what they have done. They're not able
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: to admit that they did it. They're not able to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: do that yet, but they can't ignore that they are
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: finding men checking out more and more. They're actually talking
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: about it now. So firstly, they're using the word mysagery
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: and they're literally not saying migtow, but they are describing migtow.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: They're saying what men shut down and withdraw from dating,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: so they're just not doing it and leave little space
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: for authentic intimacy and trust to grow. So I'm just
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: saying that's interesting to me because I don't think we
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: would have heard that in twenty fifteen. Short of half
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: heartedly repeating not all men like brainwashed cyborgs. It's hard
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to know where to turn to improve any of this. Clearly,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: there are very real problems at the heart of the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: modern dating landscape which are feeding a culture whereby it's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: become normal to de ride men in this way. But
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: at some point, surely we have to find a way
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: to move past this way of thinking. To comeback this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: cultural trend, we have to model and promote vulnerability, curiosity,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and compassion in dating, says Bam. On a cultural level,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that means moving away from glorifying radical self reliance and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: instead valuing interdependence, because safety, healing, and thriving all happen
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: in relationships, not in isolation. On an individual level, it
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: could also be a symbol as switching up your social
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: media algorithm. I've recently traded memes of terrible men for
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: videos of kittens meeting big dogs, and I feel more
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: optimistic already.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Can I point something out? Can we just go back
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: to that final paragraph. We have to surely we have
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: to find a way to move past this way of thinking. Yeah,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: stop dragging men. Absolutely, stop get rid of all of
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: the women in your social circle that do it. Replace
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: them with women who are happily married and to regularly
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: give you anecdotes about why they're happily married, who support
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: married right and support you taking responsibility. I mean, here's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: the thing, How does how do we stop this thing
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that we're doing, Brian? How do I stop this this
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: thing that I do? How do I stop it? Tell
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: me how do it? How do I stop it? That's
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: how you stop it? You stop doing it? Like, did
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: you see that we need to We need to moving
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: away from glorifying radical self. Why don't you say the words, lady.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean moving away from glorifying radical self reliance
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and instead valuing independence. It means stop shitting on men,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: stop engaging in miss injury. Throw it out of your life,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: all of it, right down to the feminist bullshit that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: has never been proven. Okay, throw it all out, all
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: of it. Go in the trash. Stop doing what you're doing.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: If you want to stop doing what you're doing, why
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: do people have to say this to them, like take responsibility,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: blame yourself, look in the mirror and say, I have
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: asked acted like a shit bag to men, and I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: resolved to stop. My name is Olivia Petter, and I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: am an addict, a missingery addict, and I am resolved
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: to stop. That's what you do. And then you stop,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: and you surround yourself by people recovering missingry addicts who
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: can support you in your recovery, and you take responsibility,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: and you keep taking responsibility, and you don't look for
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: some kind of woo excuse to evade taking responsibility, like
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: oh I need to I need to let go being
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: an independent and and pursue compassion and but no, just
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: stop being misandress.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: That's start step one zero. All that. Okay, I got
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: one other thing. Okay, this might be a little bit sad,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: but it's I think it's it's related going back to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the whole hell an all thing. So I want to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: show you guys this video. It's like three minutes long.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: But this isn't gonna be one of my funny videos
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: because I don't think this shit is funny at all anymore,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: and you people need to cut it out.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Cut it out.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I just watched a video from Nicole Sorrento on her
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: Instagram about a husband who contacted her at four am
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: this morning.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Do you know why?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Because his wife, pregnant wife who's twenty three to twenty
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: five weeks pregnant, wanted to prove that tailand all doesn't
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: cause autism. Guess where she is. She's in a hospital
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: on a ventilator with liver failure, and they said she's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: not going to survive.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I just want to play that.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, if this is true, what the fuck is
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: wrong with women? I mean it is.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Part of the original video, the source video.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my fucking god.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Mhm.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: So it's about you know, it's gonna be six am finally,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: And for those of you who don't follow me on Twitter,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: I recommend that you do.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I got a call, very frantic call at four o'clock.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: In the morning from a husband whose wife is now
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: dying of liver failure on a ventilator in an ICU
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: because she was trying to prove that time and all
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: doesn't cause auto What Trump said on the news.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: What what is like.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: If this is true, ladies, do you have brains or
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: do you just have sponges that keep your skulls up?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: And it's possible, I don't. I mean, honestly, I think
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: this is quite the elaborate ruse. If it isn't, but no,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: keep going. Let's let's have hear what this.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a Harvard study. Now, whether or not you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: believe the Harvard study or not is not.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: It was a Harvard study that said this, So it
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't like they pulled it out of their ass.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like Trump did the study.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: No, Trump didn't do the study. He Harvard did it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: But his name is attached.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: So it must be that he should start reporting on
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: these studies. But he should wear like a lab coat
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: in a lab with like a flask.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: A stethoscope and one of those things on his head.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: You know, nobody doctors don't wear that anymore, but you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: those mirror things.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: But it's like it's like the art of it, you know.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh I guess yeah, either that or like you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: goggles and like rubber gloves like a Nazi scientist, like
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Know, but I think they'd have like studied leather. No okay,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: that's no, no.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Just the leather, the pull up gloves and the white
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: coat with the buttons on one side and the goggles.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: That's like why the mad Nazi mad scientists. Look.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's somewhere between twenty three to twenty five weeks
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: and she overdosed on thailand all, and she's going to die.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: She's not going to come off that ventil later.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: He took the whole phone.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Number from somebody.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: What she took the whole bottle.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she wanted to dunk on the orange man. She
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to dunk harder than all the other women.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: So okay, all right, keep going.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to him. I mean, guys,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: it's early in the morning.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: I'm still in Hello Katie's sweatpants in my gym, trying
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: to work out.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: And she's gonna die.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: It's going to be Let me tell you something about
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: thailanol overdosing and death is that if you aren't administered
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: the antidote, it is.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: A very slow and painful death.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, Because thailand all, as well as benadryl and aspirin
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: are the three most common OTC's that people will typically
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: try to unlive.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Themselves with, you know, so I don't get censored.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: But now people are just taking massive amounts of thailanol
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: to prove Trump wrong. I mean, weren't these the same
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: people who put Harvard and Fauci and the pillars of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: science on a pedestal and now they refuse to believe it.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Like I don't believe it either, But I'm also not
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: going to go overdose on thailanol either. And it's just
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: so sad because he has to make the choice of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: them going and trying to emergency deliver this baby and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: the baby may not survive. Baby's gonna spend a long
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: time in the nicky. Hopefully the baby will survive. And remember, guys,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: preemies have complications even if they do survive. I didn't
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: ask him if he had more children, So I mean,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: let's say this woman did have they have more children,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: they lost their mother.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Baby's not going to grow up with the mom. He
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: lost his whole life.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: If this baby dies too well, because of TikTok challenges, guys,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: everybody wants like come, not everybody, but maybe these crazy
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: liberal women they like literally hate Trump so bad that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: she killed herself and her baby potentially.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, this could be this could be a hoax. It's possible.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: There is a Buddhist saying about you know, like about
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: drinking poison hoping the other person will die.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Hatred is like drinking poison hoping the other person will die. Yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: well literally, this is drinking poison hoping. What.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I hope it proves somebody wrong, which you wouldn't even
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: really prove until like way later. Yeah, so yeah, I mean.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It seems slightly exaggerated. It's uh, you gotta be careful
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: about like false information on the other road. Yeah, we'll
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: see what the people in the chat say. Yes, Chrum
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: did say that there may be a relation. So it's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: on overaction. Yes, it's a huge overreaction. And I hope
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: all of that.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: He didn't say it's for sure anything. He said that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: there's there and again he was reporting on a Harvard
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: study with RFK. He didn't It wasn't him. He was
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: just a messenger. The messenger was the wrong kind of person.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Take the look at the comments under that video. Let's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: see if there's anything video.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the oh, I'll go back up. Yikes,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: this makes me nervous because my doctor literally prescribed me
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: to take benadruil every night to sleep, and I never
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: thought twice about it. There are better ways to get sleep. Well,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: that's weird that I was taking benadrux for a while,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: because I mean, like it just knocked me out. I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: was having trouble sleeping. If all else fails, the label, yes,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: the label tells you everything. Thailand all a set of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: minifit can damage the liver if taken in excessive amounts.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Overdosing typically about four thousand milligrams a day for adults
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  Speaker 1: can lead to severe liver injury or failure. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of medicines use the liver or they like tax the liver.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of medicines do that. And your liver, man,
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  Speaker 1: you need it. What about the child? This is every
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  Speaker 1: bit is infuriating as it is heartbreaking. Low chances of
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  Speaker 1: survival if true, not faked. I worked EMS for thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: I transported many people who overdose on tailanl Many were
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  Speaker 1: kids who thought it was harmless. We would get called
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  Speaker 1: the other the after they told someone, and then by
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  Speaker 1: then it was too late. They always ended up in
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  Speaker 1: ICU with liver damage and many died, so sad she
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  Speaker 1: is correct.
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  Speaker 2: You might go to grok is this real? I'm curious
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  Speaker 2: if Grok responded, couldn't find verified.
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  Speaker 1: We may not know because this is like literally like
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  Speaker 1: just fifty minutes ago. So if they die, there might
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  Speaker 1: be a new story after that.
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  Speaker 2: Autism tunnel autism link itself is disputed by fact checkers
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  Speaker 2: like fact check and CDC.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean even if it was even if it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't true, that doesn't excuse this like that in no way.
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  Speaker 1: You know. You could just be like I don't buy it,
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  Speaker 1: and then you move on with your life. You don't
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  Speaker 1: post it online exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, you just like a normal human.
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  Speaker 1: Not like you just say well, I don't know about that,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe you say, oh, well that's interesting. Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 1: I'm pregnant with a baby that I hope to like
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  Speaker 1: deliver and like have in my life, you know, for
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  Speaker 1: forever and ever, so maybe I'll look into that. Or
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll just avoid a scene of minifins until the
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  Speaker 1: baby's delivered or whatever, you know, like I'll drink tea
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  Speaker 1: to like if I have pain, you know.
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  Speaker 2: For other ways yourself in order to like stick it
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  Speaker 2: to a I's never even probably gonna know, or I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if he cares. I mean maybe he would,
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  Speaker 2: because this is ridiculous and and nobody wants anybody to
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  Speaker 2: die over it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, this could be a lie. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that that can definitely kill you. So yes, the
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  Speaker 1: idea that it can happen, I think it's true. Whether
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  Speaker 1: or not it actually did happen, we don't know, so
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  Speaker 1: we may have to wait. But anyway, I just thought
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  Speaker 1: I would share that pretty uh, pretty dark if true.
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  Speaker 1: But all right, all right, mm hmmm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, today another level of new level of sanity
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  Speaker 2: that we've reached. I mean, just the logic of it
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  Speaker 2: is insane. Just get on with your life just if
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: you don't believe it, don't believe it. You don't have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: to believe it, but don't not believe it to the
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  Speaker 2: degree that you believe doing the opposite is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't blame TikTok challenges for this. I don't
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: think the existence of challenges is the problem. I think
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: it's people actually like responding to them, and specifically, I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: mean women.
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  Speaker 2: It's working yourself into a state where you think that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: this makes sense because you don't like a guy. That's ridiculous.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: You got to step back and start asking yourself if
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: your emotions are serving you. Okay, all right, So I
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  Speaker 2: guess I'll take a look and see if there's anything
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  Speaker 2: caught in the voles, the full the bulls. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: just keep take a look. And uh, while I'm doing that,
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• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: if you have any final thoughts. It looks like Mike
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: was not not at all intrigued by anything that we
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: talked about.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's okay. It's not for everybody.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's more female insanity. Like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: just they are in that place where they become hypnotized
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: by their own emotions. And I actually find that article
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: to be hilarious because she's asking, how do we stop
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: this thing that we're doing? You stop doing it, okay,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: You learn to control your emotions and choose a better action.
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  Speaker 3: Right, You are.
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  Speaker 2: Addicted to this particular emotional feeling of rumination and companionship
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  Speaker 2: with your sisters, except your engaging in destroying each other's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: mental health and reproductive prospects. And it's like people don't
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: want to talk about how there is a female instinct
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: to destroy other women's reproductive prospects. Like you, if you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: ever watch like meerkat manor no, the female meerkats would
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: compete over that. Women are like that too, there's an
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: instinct to destroy other women's ereproductive prospects. So you're sitting
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: there and what you're giving each other is the feeling
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: of destroying each other while hating on men, while bonding
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: over hating on men.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: So fucking sick and disturbing, and the only way you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: stop it is by stopping it, by choosing to stop it.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: But of course, women have this tendency to see themselves
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: more in terms of how things impact them and the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: emotions they get out of them than the taking the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: actions to prove their lives, and GROC actually showed that
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: when it analyzed those feminists I was arguing with for
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: emotional rumination versus positive action taking and found no more
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: emotional rumination women are prone to that which is why
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: they seem to get hypnotized by their own emotions into
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: doing stupid things like taking a contraindicated substance like thailanol
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: during pregnancy to supposedly stick it to the Orange Man.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: There is no logical analysis that makes that make sense.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Only makes sense is if they're chasing the dragon of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: their own self righteous emotions, Well, good luck with you,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: because that's that's some serious that is some seriously self
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: destructive behavior. And if you keep chasing that dragon, there
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna be much self left that hasn't been destructed. Okay,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do another refresh.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I got a super chat in the meantime. ZARANX gave
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: us five and says, I think this just shows how
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: irresponsible Trump is with his power. He could be telling
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: people not to get married and have kids who increase
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: birth rates. I don't know if those people should be
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: having kids though. It's going to be yeah, well no, no, yeah,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: but I get I get what you're I get your joke,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: all right, that's it. What he should do.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Is very cleverly tell them that doctors have have said
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: that people shouldn't vote Republican.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or he could say you know what I hate men? Now?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: We should all hate men now and see what we do.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, we could look at Olivia Petti's novel What, Oh
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: good Lord. This is the This is imagine we give
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: celebrities of power. They don't deserve power. This is from
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: her novel, power they haven't earned. What happens when they
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: exploit it a romance novel. Imagine you've just spent the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: night with the most famous man on the planet, except
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: you don't quite remember it. That's what happens to Rose,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: a twenty somethingter woman who seemingly has everything going for her.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe you shouldn't have drank so much. Working for one
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: of the most powerful news outlets in the country, Rose
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: spends her days doing pr for glossy magazines. There are
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: tedious spreadsheets, flashing divas, and many a list parties. It's
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: one of those parties where she meets Milo Jack's, a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: world famous, globally adored British pop sensation. An unlikely flirtation
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: turns to an even more unlikely evening, and then Rose
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: wakes up unable to piece it all together. What happens
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: next changes everything. Gold Rush is a story about consent,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: celebrity culture, and trying to figure out where women fit
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: in a world that consistently devalues and disrespects their bodies.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Compared to what you remember, She's part of the generation
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: of women that's breaking new ground and being the most
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: rapy human beings on the planet. Yeah, now, flat out right,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: no excuses, rape, weapons, rape, drugs, rape. She is part
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: of the generation and the sex that is the rapist
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: on the planet. And they keep writing these books about
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: how they're victims. Okay, I'm good. Yeah, I'm not good,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: but I'm good. You know what I mean.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, yeah, I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, let's I'll do one final
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  Speaker 6: Men's right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 6: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked