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EDP8: Nationals @ Perth / Bunbury Half: Dean wins again, Ryan is DQ'd · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello everyone, welcome back to easy double podcast episode #8
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  we're two episodes away from reaching double figures which is
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  will be the first milestone. It's has come around pretty
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  quickly, you think, Dean? Yeah, I think so.
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  It sort of feels like we're still just starting out, don't
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  you think? Yeah, it's like just every time
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  you sat here, it's like, shit, that's another week just gone,
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  another week gone. But I guess it's helpful when
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  we're counting down the weeks towards a marathon.
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  Yeah, nice. For now, two weeks out.
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  Yep, nice for a lot of it to be in the rearview Mirror Now.
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  So how are you feeling heading into, I don't know if we're
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  going to fully, fully taper from now, but heading into the phase
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  where most of the work is done anyway?
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  Yeah, exactly. Happy that it's that it's done
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  and looking forward to sort of backing off a little bit and
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  starting to feel fresh soon. Yeah, and as the listeners may
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  have noticed, we are without our our partner in crime.
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  Yes, again, because he's he's actually on a flight right now
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  as we're recording. And then he's told me he texts
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  me to borrow my tents because as soon as he gets back to WA, he's
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  going camping down South. So the man just hasn't got time
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  for us anymore. He he's a jetsetter.
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  Too busy? But we have it on good
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  authority. He'll be popping in again for a
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  brief segment. We've left them, we've left them
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  some homework. So hopefully that will be
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  entertaining and we'll we'll sloss it in and we can hear how
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  he's been getting on and then his annual leave will have
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  expired by next week and he'll be back.
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  That's it. No option.
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  Yeah, so we've got the main things to cover off this week is
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  Nationals of Perth, which Dean and I managed to get down to
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  yesterday afternoon. Boston Marathon is coming up a
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  week today, which is very exciting.
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  Dean is back on the YouTube Diaries with a double.
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  We're going to go through the training week in a similar way
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  that we've done last week. Dean and I'll just bounce off
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  each other. And then we have an interesting
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  race slash workout review from yesterday, Sunday down in
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  Bunbury there at the half marathon at the Three Waters
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  Running Festival. I did ask Owen to do a double
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  trouble and I haven't actually listened to his recording, so I
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  don't know whether he's left as one or not.
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  But we'll see how we get on. And then we've got a fair few
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  listener questions came in thankfully.
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  So thanks to everyone who's sent them in and we'll try and get
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  through as many as we can. Excuse me.
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  So first item on the agenda being the Australian Athletics
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  National Championships this weekend in Perth.
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  Do you want to take us through any thoughts you've got there,
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  Dean? Maybe just like an overall
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  thought. So when I heard that like, and
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  it maybe it could be a double trouble segment in terms of lack
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  of financial support for runners or athletes in, in Australia in
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  terms of participating in, in athletics, it's sort of like
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  it's sort of fairly well known that athletes aren't typically
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  well looked after. And then when I heard that the
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  IT cost, what was it $26 a ticket plus a $6 booking fee per
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  session or per day if you wanted to go down to the athletics.
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  I'm like, gosh, that's that's a bit steep for for a sport that's
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  generally, you know, on our Friday night sort of strife
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  mates. They're sort of not that well
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  attended. Not that you need to pay for
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  admission then, but I I didn't anticipate that there would be
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  much of an atmosphere and I didn't and I thought that
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  pricing a ticket like that seemed to be unreasonable.
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  But I was pleasantly surprised after chatting to you on the
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  Saturday and going down on the Sunday, what sort of a made it
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  was and the just how good a an atmosphere it was there and how
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  cool it was to sort of see it live like, and I think it sort
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  of came across fairly well on the Channel 7 stream.
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  But I just thought, I mean, it was a mix of both.
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  I thought WA did a great job of hosting the event, but also all
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  of the athletes turned up. And I think, I think the, you
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  know, not to go too deep into it, but what World Athletics
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  have done recently in terms of and what Australian selection
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  policy does in terms of auto selecting an athlete that wins a
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  national championship and then the bonus points that get
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  awarded when an athlete runs a time in their national or area
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  championships. Like there's so much incentive
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  now for all of the best athletes to compete in a national
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  championship. And So what that means is
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  because they're because the incentives are right.
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  You just get these really good quality fields.
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  And then if you put on a great event like I thought Perth did,
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  it just made for such a a good spectacle.
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  And it, it drew people, it drew people to the event.
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  It drew runners to the event. Like we loved all the events,
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  but in particular, like we were there for the 200 on Sunday
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  afternoon and there were non running people.
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  Like, I don't know if you noticed there's a guy walking in
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  front of us, Ben Cousins, who's sort of like one of the sort of
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  West Coast Eagles greats in terms of like football
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  footballers. And sort of he's down there and
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  he's, you know, he's a obviously he's a, he's a bit of a local
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  icon, local legend. And he's down there.
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  And it looked like, I'm assuming he came there just in time to
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  see sort of gout gout run, which I think it was sort of drawing
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  people that aren't traditional athletics fans into the sport.
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  And I thought, yeah, they did such a good job and it just
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  looked like such a fun mate, so I thought it was really good.
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  Yeah, I actually got a text off a woman that I used to house sit
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  for and she texted me saying we're in Sydney watching the
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  athletics on Channel 7. Are you there or are you
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  watching it? And like she was buzzing about
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  it too and as a non athletics fan.
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  So it just shows what it does. Like if you make it accessible
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  and all the kids getting down as well, it's just so much fun
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  because one of the best parts was how like accessible the
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  athletes were. And that's kudos to the athletes
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  themselves and like making themselves available and being
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  present afterwards. Like you and your kids benefited
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  from it, didn't they? Yeah, I mean, you and I cashed
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  in in between the there was a, there was a section for the
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  listeners, There was a section. So there was a couple of false
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  starts in the men's 200 and Kai Robinson and Cam Myers had they
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  just run there 5000 meters and they'd literally come out to
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  sort of spectate the 200. And we were sort of situated at
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  a decent point for them to come and catch it.
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  And so in between the false starts, so sort of everyone was
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  hanging around and we use that as an opportunity to snag a
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  photo. And then later on, sort of Jess
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  Hall was hanging around getting photos with all the kids and
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  yeah, our kids all jumped in and got a photo, which was super
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  nice of her, which is something they'll look back on very
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  fondly, I think, which is cool. I.
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  Did I did see that Jess done a photo with someone and the child
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  had asked her if she could wear hair medal.
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  So the child's got a gold medal round there.
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  Now that's cool. Before we go into the results,
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  then one of the things I thought as well, sorry, was flashbacks
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  to this time last week and think about how you feel and talking
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  about Grand Slam track and considering how much money and
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  endorsement and hype and all that sort of stuff, the world's
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  international fields that they had.
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  And it it's just, I don't know if we're just being biased
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  because this has been held in Perth, but it's it doesn't
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  compare. Was it?
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  Yeah. Like, I mean, I was like, we'll
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  get into some of the races, but the excitement that I felt with
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  some of those performances, yeah.
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  Like, you could. I was so much more excited as a
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  spectator watching what on the weekend than I was for any of
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  the glam Grand Slam results. Yeah.
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  And it's so exciting to see athletes getting really well
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  remunerated. But there must be some sort of
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  balance that they can strike, you know, a better balance than
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  Grand Slam and perhaps what was what and the national
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  championships, you know, because yeah, yeah, I certainly we could
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  follow their stories a bit more. There was so much more drama.
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  Like the the events were just, yeah, we're just really good.
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  And it was a combination like where I feel like we're in a bit
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  of a unique position. And there's like various media
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  outlets have said this like Australia, like it wasn't the
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  quality of athletes and the quality of times that were being
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  run in A lot of the events was like pretty insane.
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  Like the new, the world standards now are intentionally
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  set it at A at such a high level that the quota is not meant to
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  be filled by, by reaching that standard like the quota of the
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  event. So you're only meant to get say
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  60% of your field run the standard in the 12 month window
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  that there is to qualify. So, but we saw we saw WCQ
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  lighting up on the board continuously on that Sunday,
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  didn't we? Like there was people just
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  running so fast, which is full credit.
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  So I think the quality of athletes that were there, but
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  the competition was exciting, but it was the standard was
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  ridiculously good. Yeah, I think it bodes well for
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  Perth, doesn't it? Like we commented on everyone
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  running fast times and in particular the sprinters, they
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  benefit from the slight tail went down that straight there
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  and unfortunately that court gals out a couple of times.
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  Like it seems to be the only time it would blow too hard to
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  make it illegal would be when he'd run.
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  But yeah, I did. Like.
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  Around other distances. Oh no, I just saw her on a like
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  a media outlet, someone talking about they're like someone not
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  from Australia because he obviously has run mostly like
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  he's running what, Sydney, Queensland and now here.
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  And I think, I don't know, like most of the times he's run, it's
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  been with like an illegal tailwind and everyone's like
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  what's going on in Australia. How bloody windy must it be over
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  there? Because he just, I don't think
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  it's like that all the time. I think he's been a bit unlucky.
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  Yeah, well, we do feel the effects of the usually we we
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  forget about the tailwind down the back street and we're always
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  complaining about the headwind on the other side, aren't we?
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  Well, yeah, we never took half a lap, that's for sure.
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  So we never, we never really see the the upside of it.
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  But yeah, let's cover off some of the results then.
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  So we had the women's 800 firstly was won by Abby Caldwell
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  in 2 minutes. Dead well, two minutes, 0
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  seconds .53. So she just picked Claudia
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  Hollingsworth there. She was 2 minutes, 0 seconds .9.
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  So I think Claudia potentially would have been favorite there.
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  So a little bit of an upset, do you think?
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  Yeah, I think I tipped Claudia and I think given how she ran at
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  Murray Plant a couple of weeks ago, I think that would have
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  been. Yeah, I think you're right.
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  I think she would probably would have started as the one you
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  would have tipped first. So yeah, a bit of a.
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  Bit of an. Upset.
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  And I was just going to say a bit of a theme in terms of in
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  terms of that the sort of like if you took who finished in
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  front of who at Murray plant and you just assume the form guide
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  is indicative of, you know, who should be winning at nationals.
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  Yeah, there's a few of those and I think that was one of them.
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  Yeah, and that's a good little narrative or story in itself,
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  isn't it? Because often with athletics,
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  like the fastest person wins or the fastest person wins and
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  almost all of the time. So it's nice to see different
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  people racing against each other and different out, well, the
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  same people racing against each other with different outcomes.
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  Yeah, and the dynamic sort of changes so that Mori plant mate
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  where a lot of the athletes raced each other, a lot of the
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  events were paced, whereas here it's a championship, so there's
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  no pacing. So and there was a bit of wind
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  along that back straight. So yeah, it may be that I think
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  that in and of itself, yeah, just shifted the dynamics and
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  because every because the margins are so close, it's it
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  wasn't obvious who was going to win, which was cool and that
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  those times are pretty fast. Are they, were they qualifiers?
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  But I think they've already run probably the standard anyway.
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  Yeah. What is the qualifier?
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  Let's see if I can pull it up. But I didn't actually see that
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  race. I think was it yesterday
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  afternoon whilst we were kind of still just getting back and
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  stuff, but I did read or see that apparently Abby went
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  through the bell dead lat and then like came through everyone
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  because I think like 800 meters is more of like a specific
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  special distance, isn't it? Whereas Claudia kinda can go up
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  the distances as well to the 15 and.
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  Then did you catch the? Qualifier was 159.
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  OK, there you go to. The close, yeah.
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  So the men's was won by people in 143.79, which was a
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  championship record, a PB and a World Champs qualifier.
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  So I think again, we just missed this because we talked about it
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  as we were walking in, didn't we?
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  And you said that beat, that's a new PB from, was it the
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  Olympics, his previous one? Yeah, I thought he he ran the
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  Australian record. I thought it was in the semi
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  final of the 2021 like Tokyo Olympics.
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  I remember him running really quickly then, which is why he
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  sort of firmed into sort of medal contention for the final
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  at Tokyo. So for him to be and he was, you
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  know, he was sort of top of the world at that point in time.
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  The the event sort of evolved from that point from like 143
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  being probably as quick as you needed to run to, you know, the
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  is it when you're new and able what what's is it crop the
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  Canadian and a few of those guys that I rock that are just
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  running, you know, what are they 141 for 142 Now the event sort
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  of gone up a a level again, but I mean, 143 is flying.
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  And did you see the I saw the highlight of this race?
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  Did you see the second lap? Yeah, it was like he just put
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  them to bed, didn't he, once he got going?
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  Like he's had a difficult couple of years.
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  I think hasn't he passed two or three years, he hasn't been in
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  his best form. He hasn't been racing amazingly.
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  So it's cool to see him back at his best.
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  Yeah. And he's sort of originally from
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  Perth, so I, I suspect maybe he, he probably felt that and he was
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  racing here because again, he sort of spent so much of his
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  time living on the East Coast, but he sort of went to high
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  school here. So I would imagine he'd feel at
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  home in Perth and probably, I like to think that probably
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  helped him get back to his best. Yeah, giving the crowd a bit of
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  AG up like 20 meters out because he knew he'd he knew he'd, yeah,
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  got rid of. That was.
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  A second there, yeah. Yeah, yeah, He's looking back,
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  wasn't he? So I think and.
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  Those guys were lightning. Hey like for 2nd and 3rd?
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  One, yeah, the way that 44. Five.
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  Yeah, flying. And such a strong run from Luke
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  Boys as well, because I think he'd done most of the work, like
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  he took them out. He can take a lot of credit for
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  it being so fast. Obviously he'd ran his legs a
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  little bit for the last 50 meters, but all three of them
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  ran the standard for Tokyo in September, which is obviously a
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  big tick for them. Yeah, you probably think that's
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  the three that go after that. So on to the men's 15 and that
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  was won by the main events. Cam Myers, the 18 year old
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  sensation there in 334.39, followed by Adam Spencer in
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  second in the 334.57 and Ollie Gore third in the 334.6.
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  So I know you didn't get down to the track on Saturday, but did
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  you catch this on the on the TV? Yeah, I watched a like a replay
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  of it. It looked awesome.
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  Like it looked like there was a great atmosphere on that
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  Saturday night. And that race was Yeah, it was
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  really cool. Did you see Cam's caption in his
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  Strava the No pacer? No worries.
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  I thought that was a cool one liner and probably sums up sort
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  of how he felt about the race, which was because he sort of as
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  maybe we thought he might sort of he needed to sort of apply
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  pressure or to or you know, initiate the race from a ways
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  out. Because he and that was sort of
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  what he did after the pacer dropped out at that Murray plant
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  mate. And then the question is, was,
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  is someone able to hold on and kick over the top and no one
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  could. He was sort of too strong.
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  Yeah, it was interesting because the the first lap was pretty
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  slow. I think Ollie got out pretty
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  hard and went to the front and you you didn't see Cam get drive
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  to the front the way he usually does.
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  He was in the pack for a, for a lap, which was like, what's
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  going to happen here? Like this could play out a
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  little bit differently. Like is he, is he adopting some
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  anger Britain tactics here or what?
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  But then I think after 400 meters Max, like business as
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  usual resumed. Then he he took to the front and
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  started to string the mouse for everyone, maybe because they got
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  almost a free first lap. He didn't really get rid of
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  anyone, he just strung them out and most people were still
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  there. So it was still kind of an
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  exciting finish and particularly last lap because it did come
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  down to like a bit of a Sprint. And then Adam Spencer, I think
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  he won last year, didn't he, when it was in Melbourne, came
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  back from the US and won. I don't know if that was just my
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  lack of knowledge of Australian athletics at the time, but it
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  seemed like kind of a big upset when he did that.
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  But yeah, he came in second and he ran down Ollie because Ollie
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  was doing working quite hard to kind of try and stay attached to
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  the back of Cam in second there. For most of the races.
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  Cam was applying the pressure, but yeah, like 334 after a slow,
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  fast lap. It's not fast in itself, but
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  when you apply that context to it, it's pretty fast.
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  Yeah, I think Adam sort of like he ran.
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  He was a last minute call up to a diamond leg a couple of years
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  ago and was sort of like a light into like London and he ran I
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  think 331 maybe. And it was like, where did that
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  come from? Because he was more like a three
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  mid three 30s guy. And so then everyone sort of
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  like he was sort of a bit on notice, but then he sort of
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  wasn't held in the you know, there was sort of him, but you
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  always thought there was a bit of a level up to the likes of
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  Ollie and Stewie when like Ollie won like com games and Stewie's
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  run like, you know, under 330 and was sort of top three and so
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  many Diamond League 1500. So you sort of thought those
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  guys were sort of a tier above. So when he did win, it was sort
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  of like, oh goodness, well, it's that's not what we would have
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  expected. So I think, yeah, I think now
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  he's sort of is more based on recent form.
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  You thought he'd be quite competitive, but it's sort of
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  this I thought maybe went by as maybe more of the form guide.
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  Do you do you think that was probably how we thought maybe it
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  would play out? Yeah, I think so looking at the
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  result, but going back to our predictions and I was trying to
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  re listen to it before because we couldn't quite remember what
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  we said, could we? And I think I very rudely
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  overspoke you. So I didn't get get a prediction
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  from you for the men's 15, but I remember I, I.
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  Would have said camo as one. And always wanted to say yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. I, I went for Ollie.
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  Didn't know because I remember saying about the the fairy tale
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  that was in my head about him making a comeback.
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  And then I almost felt like the stars were aligning because I, I
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  spoke to someone who's kind of like in his camp, if you like.
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  And he was telling me that he's giving him this big motivational
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  speech about how how he's going to take Cam down and tactically
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  how he can do it. And that he needed to be like
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  right on him from the start and not let him settle and not let
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  him be comfortable. And that they were practicing
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  these 150m finishes, the premie. And then as as you're watching
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  the race unfold and you're seeing Ollie right on his heels,
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  I'm like, oh shit, he's going to do it, isn't he?
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  But yeah, Cam, Cam's just kind of like in a league of his own.
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  Yeah, too good. Well in on on Saturday he was
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  anyway. So the women's 15.
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  Then we had Jess Hall winning in four 1136, Sarah Billings second
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  in 411.51 and Georgia Griffiths in 412.09.
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  So again, this was slow from the from the gun.
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  I think I noticed that like a 73 and a 72 first lap, first two
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  laps, which is like just slower than three minute K pace, which
• 19:31
  sounds very fast, but for a 1500m race, it's not past at
• 19:35
  all. And then the race was from about
• 19:38
  500 meters out, Jess took to the front and kind of put the hammer
• 19:42
  down and it wasn't like the slow wind up.
• 19:45
  It was like, right, let's go. And from here, no one's getting
• 19:48
  past me. And that was kind of how it was
• 19:51
  like everyone was able to go with her.
• 19:53
  She didn't gap them, but just no one could get up onto her
• 19:56
  shoulder and certainly not overcome her.
• 19:58
  And so Sarah Billings finished really well there because I
• 20:02
  think she was in the pack or third for most of the race.
• 20:06
  But she finished really strongly down the 100 and then came past
• 20:09
  Georgia on the predictions for that one.
• 20:11
  Actually a best check. I had Jess and you went Claudia,
• 20:17
  but I don't think, I think Claudia was ADNS in that one,
• 20:20
  wasn't she? So I let you off.
• 20:21
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
• 20:22
  I think she just focused on the Yeah.
• 20:25
  It's actually worth mentioning. Was it nearly an upset by Sarah
• 20:27
  Billings? I think so.
• 20:29
  Yeah, 'cause I can't remember Marie Plan, but I don't think
• 20:33
  Sarah had a great race or was it the indoors and she didn't get
• 20:36
  out of the heat in China, so she'll be glad to get a good one
• 20:40
  under about there. But just on on the subject of
• 20:43
  Claudia, did you you see that she signed to Grand Slam as a
• 20:47
  challenger for the next meet in Miami?
• 20:49
  No, I didn't. That's cool.
• 20:51
  That'll be interesting. Yeah.
• 20:52
  I wonder whether about yeah, whether Jess has had some
• 20:55
  influence in that onto the five thousands then the men's was the
• 20:59
  men's was one Jesus. I I didn't have the results in
• 21:02
  front of me then I was thinking who was it 1 by and now now the
• 21:05
  results are here. I'm like, of course, the grace
• 21:08
  absolutely flying this year. Seth O'Donnell in 1349.3 follow
• 21:14
  by Cam Myers Dublin up coming back on the Sunday but couldn't
• 21:18
  quite get the win. He was second in the 1349.6 and
• 21:23
  Kai Robinson could not double down on his win in a 5000 meters
• 21:28
  over Seth this time and finished third in the 1350.31.
• 21:32
  So we what's up? One together, didn't we?
• 21:35
  And that was quite exciting. Yeah, that was, that was pretty
• 21:39
  cool to watch live, like, yeah. Jacob Cox from South Australia,
• 21:44
  he sort of set tempo early because they sort of were, you
• 21:49
  know, no one was wanting to take the pace on early.
• 21:52
  So he sort of took it upon himself and was sort of got
• 21:54
  things up to closer to that sort of 14 minute tempo.
• 21:57
  And you could see there's like a temperature gauge in the
• 21:59
  stadium, wasn't there, which was sort of between say 27 and 29°.
• 22:03
  So it's reasonably warm and there was wind along that back
• 22:06
  straight. And so, but he was happy to sort
• 22:09
  of, you know, try and make a bit of a race of it, which was,
• 22:13
  which was good, but things didn't really kick off until I
• 22:18
  think inside the last. It was within the last two KS,
• 22:21
  probably with about four laps to go.
• 22:23
  Kai Robinson maybe went to the front maybe inside 4 laps.
• 22:28
  Umm, and I think I clocked like the last K, the last K may have
• 22:31
  been like 227 and the last like might have been like 50-4,
• 22:34
  something like that. So they like closed hard.
• 22:37
  And yeah, the race was sort of on.
• 22:39
  It was an interesting dynamic. So, so if we think back to the
• 22:42
  like that Maori plant mate, you had a pacemaker setting that
• 22:45
  sort of 1320 pace. Remember Max, who ran really
• 22:49
  well in both the 15 and was also in the 5K from Perth.
• 22:52
  He he sort of set up that race and then Seth sort of took over
• 22:56
  from that pace race and Kai managed to kick over the top.
• 23:00
  Whereas this being a championship race, the tempo was
• 23:02
  set slower. And then it was wasn't until
• 23:05
  sort of Kai Seth, where I thought Seth would have made a
• 23:08
  move early and but he didn't. He just hung back.
• 23:12
  And then because you had Cam in the race for the first time and
• 23:16
  you had sort of Kai who's, you know, just won that Murray Plant
• 23:19
  5K just won, you know, one of Australia's only ever sort of
• 23:23
  middle distance global medals a few weeks before that.
• 23:26
  He's sort of odds on favorite, but he sort of knows he he can't
• 23:28
  leave it to a burn up because Cam's in the race and Cam's
• 23:32
  never won run a 5K before. So he's sort of still trying to,
• 23:35
  in his mind, get his head around how to navigate the distance.
• 23:38
  So Kai's sort of incentivized to go earlier rather than later.
• 23:42
  But then you sort of thought Seth would be the one just
• 23:45
  because he's a bit wild, would just do that for him anyway.
• 23:48
  And he didn't. And so then that left it to Kai
• 23:50
  to take it up. And so then as soon as you saw
• 23:52
  him sort of make that drive, you sort of, I just assumed that Cam
• 23:56
  would sit on his shoulder and then maybe kick over the top
• 23:58
  because I left it for only the last sort of mile.
• 24:02
  But that's not how it played out.
• 24:03
  Yeah, I just think it's AI just can't get my head around the
• 24:05
  fact that Seth's managed to win that race against Kai and Cam
• 24:10
  and was even Jude Thomas in there?
• 24:13
  Or there was others anyway, besides the podium?
• 24:16
  Like it wasn't just those three who would like the elite
• 24:19
  athletes in there and like how has he won it when it comes to
• 24:22
  like an 800 meter kick in like a relatively slow race, like he's
• 24:26
  out kicked those guys. It's just obscene.
• 24:29
  So Jude's run 1309 I. Think a month ago exactly.
• 24:33
  I think I watched it back before and I don't know if if it
• 24:37
  actually was or if it's just a different vest, but you know
• 24:40
  that like kind of 1 running vest he's been wearing, like the red
• 24:44
  stripy white thing, He's got it inside out with his bib on
• 24:49
  inside out. I don't know if that's something
• 24:52
  to do with the Brandon or like what, but it just kind of sums
• 24:55
  him up, doesn't it? He's just wild.
• 24:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mullet flowing and just like not
• 25:00
  caring about how he looks in terms of that last 100 meters,
• 25:03
  literally just throwing his body forward as quickly as he can and
• 25:07
  just rolled them. Yeah, Cam couldn't close him
• 25:09
  down. So they sort of what they gapped
• 25:11
  Cam at the bell and then Cam was as bad.
• 25:14
  Cam was fifth maybe with like 2:50 to go and then started
• 25:17
  closing in on them but couldn't quite wheel them in.
• 25:20
  And Seth just found another gear in the last 100.
• 25:23
  Didn't he sort of sat on Kai's shoulder And then just in that
• 25:26
  last one 5000 made just sort of pulled up alongside and just
• 25:30
  threw the kitchen sink at it. And it was man, I was, I was up
• 25:33
  and about. I couldn't, I couldn't believe
• 25:34
  it. That was like a not something
• 25:36
  you'd see and just that real like underdog.
• 25:38
  You know, you sort of you've got 2 full time professional
• 25:42
  athletes and this guy who like took up running and over and
• 25:45
  it's just a fizzy like a local physio has like a real OCA sort
• 25:49
  of accent. And I don't know, just seems
• 25:52
  like a really nice person. And not that the other guys
• 25:54
  aren't incredible people either, but it was just very cool.
• 25:57
  It's like young, Young when you see Kai and Seth side by side,
• 26:01
  like Kai's got this gracious. Like.
• 26:04
  Perfect running form. And then you just see Seth put
• 26:08
  the hammer down and his arms just go even wider and you think
• 26:11
  how how does that movement actually make you go faster?
• 26:15
  And I think Kai even like, has a little glance and he's he's
• 26:19
  clearly working incredibly hard at this point.
• 26:22
  He's probably thinking like, are you like, what?
• 26:25
  How are you going past me right now?
• 26:26
  Yeah. Like, I think he can handle that
• 26:29
  to him, but he's like, what's? We should live in hindsight when
• 26:34
  when Kam and Kai are still behind us and we asked them for
• 26:37
  a photo we could have said hey boys, what?
• 26:39
  What are your thoughts on getting beat by Seth there?
• 26:42
  Or should talk our attention? To me, but it ended up in the
• 26:45
  scrub. And although we couldn't get any
• 26:48
  reaction from Kamal Kai, we did get a few words from the great
• 26:52
  man Seth himself. So I reached out to him on
• 26:54
  Instagram and just asked him if he had any words he'd like us to
• 26:58
  share during the episode. And thankfully he responded.
• 27:02
  And yeah, grateful for that. He said thanks so much for the
• 27:06
  support. Was up against some quality
• 27:07
  opposition. So I focused on listening and
• 27:10
  making sure I stayed patient but still be aggressive when the
• 27:14
  time was right. So grateful for all the support.
• 27:16
  We'll discuss my plans with my team soon.
• 27:19
  So it sounds really exciting what Seth's got in the works
• 27:22
  there. And we're really grateful as
• 27:25
  Easy Double Podcast that he's taking the time to respond to us
• 27:28
  and give us a couple, give us a bit of insight there into what
• 27:31
  he's thinking during the race. And then lastly, the women's 5K
• 27:37
  was won by Jess Hall doing the double in 15 O 2.74, which is a
• 27:42
  championship record and APB Georgia Griffiths second in 15 O
• 27:45
  2.92 to PB for her and Rose Davis third in 15 O 3.83.
• 27:53
  And this one again was a little bit of a slow start, but then
• 27:57
  once you see the field settle, it's it's very familiar and that
• 28:00
  Izzy goes to the front and she done a lot of work for a lot of
• 28:04
  the race. Well, pretty much all the race,
• 28:06
  didn't she? She she just got to the front
• 28:09
  and made it pretty tough for everyone straight away.
• 28:11
  So instantly that separated, kind of like those who were
• 28:16
  going to be involved who weren't.
• 28:18
  It was, yeah, I think like Wacey was there, friend was there with
• 28:24
  us, and he was sort of lap timing.
• 28:26
  And they were sort of consistently knocking off 72 to
• 28:28
  74 second laps, which is, you know, going around that sort of
• 28:31
  around that sort of 1510 pace, which in that, given that it was
• 28:35
  fairly warm, is pretty like solid time and around that sort
• 28:39
  of world championship qualifying standard of just under 15
• 28:43
  minutes. So they were sort of moving
• 28:44
  pretty well, weren't they, in terms of making a race of it.
• 28:47
  But Izzy wasn't able to drop too many from that main, was she?
• 28:51
  It was sort of, it was pretty. There's quite a few that managed
• 28:56
  to hang tough for the majority of the race which was which was
• 29:00
  good to watch as well. Yeah, and almost as the as the
• 29:03
  race unfolded, my confidence in his he was growing because like
• 29:08
  at first I was like, oh, going to the front again.
• 29:11
  It's a, it's a usual tactic and like kind of we know how it ends
• 29:15
  up usually like, but as she like kind of grounded out and you
• 29:20
  could see maybe that underlying marathon fitness coming in,
• 29:23
  you're like, oh shit, she actually looks pretty good here.
• 29:25
  Like it's starting to as the lap time is going down like 4 laps
• 29:29
  to go, 3 laps to go, 2 laps to go.
• 29:31
  And she's she's still kind of on the front and 1 by 1 they're
• 29:34
  dropping. But then there's Jess, Georgia
• 29:38
  and Rose, the change of gear that they've got, as long as
• 29:40
  they can keep themselves there for the last lap, then they're
• 29:43
  they're just always going to finish so strongly, aren't they?
• 29:46
  And that's what we saw. Yeah, and it was interesting
• 29:49
  like because do you remember there's at a Peck 10 when Rose
• 29:55
  was able to just like rent just closed super fast in that last
• 29:58
  200, sort of burnt like Lauren Ryan and looked very strong.
• 30:03
  She sort of looked to do something similar.
• 30:05
  And I was like, oh, wow. I wonder what that will how that
• 30:08
  will stack up against Georgia and Jess in terms of like their
• 30:11
  shorter distance. But this is sort of it requires
• 30:14
  some sort of strength to get to that far into the race.
• 30:17
  And like she closed really well, but they would just like a level
• 30:21
  again, weren't they, in terms of how quick they could, they could
• 30:23
  close, which was interesting to see.
• 30:25
  The sort of speed endurance was just like there was just another
• 30:29
  another gear that they could find and they were just too
• 30:31
  good. I think it kind of shows like
• 30:33
  the difference between or almost like the the levels within elite
• 30:38
  run and two. So you've got the likes of
• 30:40
  Georgia Griffiths and Rose Davis who are making Australian teams.
• 30:46
  But then Jess Holt she's clearly a cut above because a week ago
• 30:50
  she's run the one 58800 and then now here she is run winning the
• 30:55
  5th 5K champs and 50 and low in a championship record like.
• 31:00
  And I think, but I think that's what makes this Seth's run more
• 31:04
  extraordinary because like you can build a similar narrative.
• 31:07
  I know Kai's not Uber fast over a short distance, but like both
• 31:12
  Jess and Kai have come off the back of winning like a global
• 31:14
  medal. I just those sort of those
• 31:16
  polished athletes and then even Cam, you know what he was doing
• 31:20
  at world it like in the indoor circuit earlier in the year.
• 31:24
  So then what did what Seth doing beating them?
• 31:27
  Like I just just still like crazy.
• 31:30
  Just couldn't believe. I still can't believe it was so
• 31:32
  cool. And how good was it to be like
• 31:35
  in the stadium live whilst Gout was doing his thing?
• 31:38
  After watching it all unfold last week and the drama and the
• 31:42
  excitements and all, kind of like the media carry on that
• 31:46
  went with it, I was so intrigued to see how it would unfold.
• 31:50
  And I think it definitely lived up to expectation for me, yeah.
• 31:54
  Like I was excited to be there sort of as a distance fan, but
• 31:59
  yeah, being there for that run. And he sort of just exploded in
• 32:03
  that last 50, didn't he? And we sort of were on a bit of
• 32:06
  a strange angle angle. We were situated just past the
• 32:10
  finish line on the on the sort of like away from the finish
• 32:16
  area. So the athletes on the finishing
• 32:18
  straight were running straight towards us, it felt.
• 32:20
  And so you sort of didn't get a feel for if they were marginally
• 32:23
  ahead. It was hard to tell.
• 32:24
  But he, you could just see him streaking away and just running
• 32:27
  so fast. And the atmosphere, the crowd
• 32:29
  was just absolutely electric. And the whole stadium, you like,
• 32:33
  it's people cleared out, literally.
• 32:35
  But there's still events on after it.
• 32:37
  But they people came that people bought tickets to see him in the
• 32:41
  flesh and he. Yeah, he was sort of worth the
• 32:44
  price of admission, wasn't he? Yeah.
• 32:46
  I like that time as well in 19.84.
• 32:49
  I know the the wind was off, but he he stayed in the block.
• 32:53
  Not that I'm a Sprint expert, but some some reason and it is
• 32:57
  kind of visually evident that he stayed in the blocks a little
• 33:00
  longer, didn't he? Kind of playing it safe because
• 33:03
  they've been a couple of false starts.
• 33:05
  So I think even if you, if you make that a legal wind, he
• 33:10
  probably still runs sub 20, doesn't he?
• 33:15
  So, and then just like kind of the performance that he put on
• 33:18
  after the run was almost as exciting as the run itself.
• 33:22
  Like he went around the whole perimeter of the track and high
• 33:25
  fived everyone who's there. And like if anyone wanted the
• 33:29
  selfie, he was doing selfies all the way around.
• 33:33
  It's just, it's so good for like the kid, he's literally 17 and
• 33:38
  he's kind of thriving off. It's not even pressure.
• 33:40
  Like it's just hype and he's he's thriving off it.
• 33:44
  I think even for like grassroots athletics, like in terms of
• 33:48
  that, sort of like, I still remember being in the stadium
• 33:52
  the day Patrick Johnson ran under 10 seconds for 100.
• 33:57
  We were sort of like collecting hurdles as sort of like
• 33:59
  volunteers as kids. And we got these T-shirts that
• 34:02
  were handed out as part of that. And I remember him signing it
• 34:05
  and like that sort of stuff like, you know, pulls you into
• 34:09
  the sport. And so that the like a day, an
• 34:11
  afternoon like that where you get to have a picture with Gout
• 34:13
  Gout or Jess Hull or Cam Myers, it's sort of pretty special.
• 34:16
  So yeah, I thought it was a really cool event.
• 34:19
  And I thought it was really nicely capped off as off by the
• 34:23
  mixed 4 by 400 as well. That was sort of like the final
• 34:27
  event of the program. And as a proud W Australian,
• 34:30
  excuse me, we saw Team WA get up and one of our teammates, Adam
• 34:34
  Cobb was the was in the was, was whizzing around and absolutely
• 34:40
  flew through the 1st 100. And they sort of grabbed the
• 34:43
  baton and yeah, ran a great leg and sort of set it set the, set
• 34:48
  the team up well. And they ended up, I think, I
• 34:51
  think it was a, might have been a national record or a national
• 34:54
  championships record time. And they sort of just edged out
• 34:58
  New NSW. They sort of went into the final
• 35:01
  leg a few meters behind and we're able to run over the top
• 35:04
  of them. And the West Australian crowd
• 35:05
  got right behind it. And it was just such a such a
• 35:08
  cool way to finish. What was a really cool mate.
• 35:11
  I know we've banged on about it, but it was a yeah, it was really
• 35:14
  nice. It was sort of a highlight in
• 35:16
  terms of, you know, local athletics.
• 35:18
  That was as good as you could imagine it, I think, and script
• 35:21
  it. I'm intrigued to see how it's
• 35:24
  reviewed by other people, like are we just biased because it's
• 35:29
  been held in WA or was it genuinely like as good of a meet
• 35:33
  as we've made out? But nevertheless, we enjoyed it
• 35:35
  for what it was. So OK, then we're onto the
• 35:38
  training week. So do we want to quickly fly
• 35:41
  through what we've done leading up to the weekend?
• 35:44
  We can kind of bounce off each other in the same way that we
• 35:47
  did last week. If you want to kick us off, I'll
• 35:50
  just pull mine up. Yeah, sure.
• 35:52
  I mean, Mondays for me, just the usual commutes to and from the
• 35:55
  office. So yeah, nothing, nothing
• 36:01
  particularly special there other than my what diet.
• 36:05
  And then she was, we were at the track and sorry, we weren't at
• 36:13
  the track because the track was closed for junior nationals.
• 36:16
  So our traditional Tuesday track workout we did, but we moved it
• 36:20
  to Lake Munga. So we had a, we'd only have a 4K
• 36:25
  lap build I think, but we just did a 1500 metre lap threshold.
• 36:30
  We did that with a couple of the guys that were racing nationals,
• 36:34
  the two Toms into 10 by 500 metres at at VO2 and we just did
• 36:41
  this up and down A like a part of the path that was almost 500
• 36:45
  meters. I think it was just shy, but
• 36:47
  it's sort of for all intensive purposes was all we needed.
• 36:50
  I just remember my legs being dead from racing the bridges
• 36:55
  last Sunday so I was just keen to sort of get it done and yeah,
• 37:00
  not, not hurt myself really. Yeah, I mean, it was pitch black
• 37:03
  that little, well, that 450 meter stretch as well, wasn't
• 37:07
  it? By the time we're doing the reps
• 37:09
  up and down there. So I don't know if that helped
• 37:11
  with the kind of increased adrenaline or if it didn't help
• 37:15
  because we didn't know where we were planting our feet, but we
• 37:18
  seem to get it done. OK.
• 37:20
  Anyway, apart from the, the last couple of reps, I wouldn't say I
• 37:23
  was hanging on, but I was like, oh shit, yeah, I haven't done a,
• 37:26
  haven't done a video two session for a week or so here.
• 37:29
  And I'm starting to feel it in, in my legs.
• 37:32
  But I was, I was, I was made-up to get that one done because it
• 37:36
  felt like it had been a little while since I'd done anything to
• 37:39
  to that intensity. So it was nice to kind of get
• 37:43
  back involved with that sort of work.
• 37:45
  Nice. And then, yeah, for Wednesday,
• 37:48
  just for me, it was the usual commute in and and steady run
• 37:52
  home added a little bit on again.
• 37:53
  But yeah, nothing particularly special or notable for me on a
• 37:58
  Wednesday. I started, I could feel myself
• 38:00
  getting like recovering from the race on Sunday, which was good.
• 38:04
  But yeah, just ticked it off. And I think what I've been doing
• 38:08
  is just been instead of Dublin, which the irony has been pointed
• 38:12
  out that we've named this podcast Easy Double.
• 38:15
  And I seem incapable of producing a double run right
• 38:21
  now, but I'm just trying to manage, manage my way to the
• 38:24
  start line. So like the double S have been
• 38:27
  swapped out for cross trains basically.
• 38:28
  So like on on the Monday and Wednesday, I'll do one run and
• 38:32
  one cross train and just kind of try and replicate the load that
• 38:36
  a double easy run would provide, which is just jump on the cross
• 38:39
  trainer and try and get that heart race up to an an easy run
• 38:42
  heart rate, which is actually quite hard on the cross trainer,
• 38:45
  to be honest with you. You've got to be, you've got to
• 38:47
  be pumping it. And when you're in a public gym,
• 38:50
  which is quite small, it's, it's not the most, not the most
• 38:55
  flattering exercise you can be doing absolutely stomping on a
• 38:58
  cross trainer, but you've got to get it done.
• 39:02
  And then, yeah, Thursday just to easy run in the morning, and
• 39:05
  then I had in the afternoon 4 by 5 minutes at sort of threshold
• 39:10
  pace or just above, and then two minutes recovery between each
• 39:14
  sort of continuous running. I just remember it feeling like
• 39:19
  I didn't have to force it to sort of get up to sort of the
• 39:22
  pace as I was hoping to hit, which was a good sign.
• 39:25
  So yeah, I think I was 304 to 305 pace for the first three and
• 39:29
  then the last one, I think I was on that pace.
• 39:31
  But just the way the workout was, you had to do a little bit
• 39:34
  of AU turn out on that freeway side of that path at Lake
• 39:37
  Munger. And in amongst all that, the GPS
• 39:40
  sort of wigs out a bit and you're doing AU turn.
• 39:42
  So I think my pace doesn't quite look that flattering, but I
• 39:45
  think I was up until the last and up until I had to do that, I
• 39:48
  was sort of sitting on pace, which was good.
• 39:50
  And yeah, it all felt all felt fine, which was encouraging.
• 39:54
  And then you had a, I think you were, You ran Thursday morning,
• 39:58
  didn't you? Yeah, I will go into that, but I
• 40:01
  was just going to ask you on yours.
• 40:03
  In terms of like the bigger picture, obviously you've just
• 40:05
  come off that 10K race on the Sunday and was your week leading
• 40:11
  into that you didn't really come down at all.
• 40:14
  Did you kind of like rode a full training volume or slightly
• 40:19
  reduced it but not there was no no taper, was there?
• 40:23
  No, I think I'd like. I was going to have the option
• 40:26
  of maybe running up to 90 minutes on the Saturday before,
• 40:29
  but I only ran 40 and I didn't run again Saturday afternoon.
• 40:33
  And I could off. And I'm probably glad I didn't
• 40:35
  because I raced, you know, like a pretty hard effort.
• 40:37
  So it's slightly down on what the previous weeks had been.
• 40:41
  But yeah. And then the intention was to
• 40:43
  try and get back into training again this week, knowing that
• 40:47
  again, I was going to do a bit of a race on the weekend, but
• 40:50
  I'm sort of trying to keep my training load and training
• 40:53
  intensity relatively high because I sort of don't want to
• 40:57
  freshen up too. So, so, but I also need to be
• 41:00
  careful not to overdo it. So I think this week was more if
• 41:03
  I feel up to doing the workouts on the Tuesday and Thursday,
• 41:06
  I'll do them, but I wouldn't do them.
• 41:08
  I'm sort of adding in quite a bit of intensity.
• 41:10
  So I just need to be careful. So I'm sort of bearing that in
• 41:12
  mind and sort of knowing that we're going to, I sort of knew
• 41:15
  on Thursday, though if we do like a threshold workout, I'm
• 41:18
  going to have a couple of days of job before Sunday, which
• 41:21
  which will you know, which helps.
• 41:23
  Yeah, I know that was only an observation of just I've just
• 41:26
  made now on hearing you kind of spell it out and I'm realizing
• 41:29
  kind of how how tiring the past couple of weeks must have been
• 41:33
  for you because you've just rolled session after session and
• 41:36
  a couple of well, one race in there.
• 41:38
  So yeah, you must be really glad to be reaching the two weeks out
• 41:42
  marker. But yeah, Thursday morning for
• 41:45
  me. Well, Thursday was due to be a
• 41:47
  steady run. So like kind of that Zone 2 work
• 41:53
  like 3:45 to 350 pace. So like comfortable, but a bit a
• 41:58
  bit like bottom end building from the bottom up to kind of
• 42:01
  work, work up to that marathon pace and make marathon efforts
• 42:05
  feel easier just through kind of having a lot more endurance in
• 42:09
  the bank. So I actually heard that.
• 42:13
  I don't know, this name might not mean anything to anyone, but
• 42:16
  if you listen to the Inside Running podcast, which I imagine
• 42:20
  people might like, if you like me and Dean Jordan Donnelly is a
• 42:25
  guy who they've had on there quite a bit in the past.
• 42:28
  And he kind of featured heavily during the Olympics last year
• 42:32
  because he was working on and he was kind of jumping on daily and
• 42:36
  providing updates from like what the athletes are up to and
• 42:39
  stuff. And I heard that he was in
• 42:41
  Perth. So I reached out to him because
• 42:43
  he's actually from where I'm from, the Wirral, and literally
• 42:48
  could bizarrely drive to his house in about 10 minutes.
• 42:52
  So he came down and met me on the river and we've done a
• 42:56
  steady run together. And yeah, we ran 340 twos, 45
• 43:03
  minutes and heart rate was good, like 1:54-ish.
• 43:09
  And it just felt really comfortable.
• 43:10
  We were chatting the whole way and we, we ended up running just
• 43:13
  because we weren't kind of watching the clock.
• 43:15
  We ran 48 minutes and we're like, oh shit, we've gone over
• 43:18
  best, best, call it off. So then I've done just done a
• 43:21
  couple of strides afterwards. And that felt really nice to do
• 43:25
  that on a Thursday morning because usually it's it's on a
• 43:28
  Thursday evening, we head down to the lake and do those
• 43:30
  sessions. So I felt like I'd won the day
• 43:32
  by getting that one out the way with nice and early it.
• 43:35
  Would have been fun. It would have been easier to run
• 43:37
  when you have the likes of someone Jordan to run with.
• 43:39
  It sort of makes the motivation to get up in the morning, you
• 43:43
  know, makes it pretty easy, which is.
• 43:44
  Yeah, well, maybe if we had a Patreon platform then there
• 43:49
  would be some stuff worth worth sharing, but there's also some
• 43:52
  things you've got to got to keep to yourself.
• 43:55
  But yeah, he's, he's full of absolute gold, as you can
• 43:58
  imagine. I, I didn't struggle to get away
• 44:00
  then, but I was just keen to listen to all the things he had
• 44:03
  to say because he's just got so much knowledge and experience.
• 44:07
  So yeah, it was very fun. And the fun thing is he's
• 44:10
  actually, he's heading over to Ballarat and he's doing the half
• 44:14
  and I think he's looking to kind of run a similar pace to maybe
• 44:17
  what I'll be looking to run to go through halfway.
• 44:20
  And so hopefully you might be able to help me out there or or
• 44:23
  drop me and do dirty on me, I mean.
• 44:27
  That'd be nice, if you can catch a lift for the first half,
• 44:31
  that'd be good. Well, yeah, hopefully there'll
• 44:32
  be plenty of others around anyway, but we shall see.
• 44:36
  I still don't to be honest on that.
• 44:37
  I still don't even know kind of what halfway looks like for me.
• 44:41
  I'm, I'm oscillating daily between 30 to 62nd variables.
• 44:46
  But I guess that's, that's what happens as you get close to race
• 44:50
  day, isn't it? You start thinking about all
• 44:51
  these things, but we'll probably save the that chat for next
• 44:56
  week. Yeah, in terms of my next couple
• 44:59
  of days, Friday was just the usual commute runs, so two of
• 45:04
  those. And then Saturday I just did an
• 45:07
  hour easy. And then, yeah, I had a bit of a
• 45:11
  busy day family wise, so I went over and collected you.
• 45:16
  You were finished at the stadium by the time I rolled past to
• 45:19
  collect you on the way to Bunbury.
• 45:22
  But yeah, that that was sort of my running day.
• 45:24
  Grab grabbed you and we sort of headed to Bunbury for Saturday
• 45:27
  and night arrival. It's sort of for anyone
• 45:30
  unfamiliar, it's two hours South of Perth car.
• 45:34
  So a bit of a breakdown to to where the race was and we sat at
• 45:38
  a hotel that was almost opposite the the park.
• 45:41
  That was the start finish area, which was super handy.
• 45:43
  It was really nice. Yeah, I did actually think like
• 45:45
  it would have been so much easier if we we just took like
• 45:48
  some sort of recording device in the car because we just, we
• 45:52
  basically recorded a podcast on the way down and then another
• 45:55
  podcast on the way back. Like we had four hours of
• 45:57
  content right there. So yeah, good point.
• 46:00
  We could have just done it on the way home.
• 46:03
  We had the thought on because of could have got you your early
• 46:07
  night. Yeah, when you, when you grabbed
• 46:09
  me, things were a little bit stressful, weren't they?
• 46:12
  Because I got in the car and I said, oh, Oh, no, like my
• 46:15
  girlfriend's gone out and we've just fostered this bloody cat
• 46:19
  like 24 hours prior. And I've just got back from the
• 46:22
  track, grabbed my bag and quickly tried to spot the cats
• 46:26
  in the flat. And you were like, Oh yes, so
• 46:30
  where was it? And I was like, no, no, like
• 46:32
  that's the end. I tried to see where it was.
• 46:35
  I couldn't see it. And now I'm sat in the car with
• 46:38
  you. So as the journey unfolded,
• 46:41
  this, it was 2 hours, it was stressful. 2 hours down to
• 46:44
  Bunbury in communications back and forth to Becky to see if
• 46:47
  she'd, she'd found the cat in the apartment.
• 46:51
  But unfortunately we went to bed and there's still no sign of the
• 46:54
  cat. So didn't have the best sleep on
• 46:59
  Saturday night. We got to the right.
• 47:01
  When we got to the hotel in Bunbury, I was worried you were
• 47:03
  actually gonna let the cat out of the bag.
• 47:07
  I wish the cat was well, truly in the bag and he was stored in
• 47:11
  a very bizarre place. But the story ends well because
• 47:14
  we did find them on Sunday evening.
• 47:17
  So literally over 24 hours after we last seen him, we got in bed
• 47:23
  on last night on Sunday. And at this point, like there's
• 47:26
  not much communication going on in the flat because we're kind
• 47:29
  of residing to the fact that the the cats gone missing.
• 47:33
  And it's more than likely my fault because I was last in the
• 47:37
  flat prior to the cat being seen, so I've left some sort of
• 47:40
  door open or something Anyway. And then we get in bed last
• 47:43
  night, lights off, silence. And then we just hear like this
• 47:47
  cry. So then we flick all the lights
• 47:50
  on, running around this small flat.
• 47:52
  Still can't find the fucker and like he's obviously here because
• 47:57
  we've literally just heard them cry.
• 47:58
  Or are we? Like is our mind playing tricks
• 48:01
  on us? He gets back in bed, turns
• 48:03
  lights off 5 minutes later I cry again and I'm like, he's in the
• 48:06
  wall. Like he's literally in the wall.
• 48:09
  So he goes into the bathroom and there's like a laundry sink next
• 48:14
  to the washing machine and it's he's basically crawled into the
• 48:19
  plumbing of of the units and he was just happily chilling in
• 48:25
  there. So it seemed because the whole
• 48:27
  we couldn't access it because they kind of tucked around the
• 48:30
  back in between the washing machine and stuff.
• 48:32
  But the hole was massive. So it wasn't as though he was
• 48:34
  stuck. He just took himself off and was
• 48:36
  playing games. Just a little hard out.
• 48:40
  Yeah, so the the cat returned a little bit too late, but he's
• 48:46
  good and well now. Anyway, back-to-back to running
• 48:49
  stuff. We arrived in Bunbury safe and
• 48:53
  sound and the hotel was very pleasant, wasn't it?
• 48:56
  Hotel was lovely, great choice. Nice can pick him.
• 48:59
  Yeah, it was. Well traveled by you, obviously.
• 49:02
  So we it was a quick unpack of the bags and jumped into bed.
• 49:06
  Wasn't it was about 10:00. We, we pulled in maybe and we
• 49:10
  were in bed 2 separate single beds just for the avoidance of
• 49:14
  doubts. And so then Saturday, well that
• 49:19
  was Saturday. In fact, I should preface that
• 49:22
  with I'd done half an hour and drills and strides on Saturday
• 49:25
  and actually felt like garbage. I don't know why but just felt
• 49:28
  dead stiff and like I couldn't really move but that was fine.
• 49:33
  So Sunday morning we got up at 6:00 AM and we didn't have our
• 49:38
  bibs did we? We were a 730 kick off, but the
• 49:42
  as Dean said, the hotel was literally on the start line.
• 49:45
  So we just had over, grabbed our bibs and came back to the room,
• 49:50
  got ready quickly and we were out.
• 49:54
  Was at 7:00 AM on the dot pretty much because we had a 5K warm up
• 49:58
  to do. So kind of we were pushing it
• 50:00
  for that. We just headed out along the
• 50:02
  coast and done 5K, whatever pace that was like 450 or something
• 50:07
  probably, and made it back to the start line just in time for
• 50:11
  a couple of stretches, a couple of strides, nothing like last
• 50:14
  minute, but everyone's there in the start pen and the, the race
• 50:19
  directors counting down and giving everyone the the G up and
• 50:23
  the motivational speech. And Dean and I probably look
• 50:26
  like a pair of idiots doing strides next to the fence and
• 50:29
  throwing a hamstring curl here and there.
• 50:32
  We we stepped on the start line just like a couple of minutes
• 50:37
  prior to kick off and the race director shoves the microphone
• 50:41
  in my face because he must have thought you look like you look
• 50:44
  like a soft lad or you look like a man who's maybe going to try
• 50:50
  and win today. And I quickly deflected and sent
• 50:54
  him Dean's way and said, Oh, yeah, I think you might want to
• 50:56
  go and speak to the man down, down the other end there.
• 51:00
  So it came, in other words, with you, didn't he, Dean?
• 51:03
  Yeah, I don't think I said anything overly insightful.
• 51:05
  I probably should have just said good luck to everyone.
• 51:07
  But yeah, said something short. You sort of, you know, you're
• 51:11
  not at your most creative moments before you're about to,
• 51:15
  you know, get stuck into a fun run, are you?
• 51:17
  Well you should have said make sure you turn left when you do
• 51:20
  the out and back on the Jessie. That might have helped me.
• 51:23
  Should have. We should.
• 51:25
  Should we go into that now? Yeah, go on.
• 51:27
  So talk us through what what was kind of set for you and what
• 51:30
  what was the goals of this run? So I think, yeah, so normally
• 51:35
  two weeks out or in the past a couple of weeks out, we've done
• 51:38
  like a of a marathon, we've done a overspeed under speed sort of
• 51:42
  session. So you sort of spend time
• 51:44
  quicker than marathon pace and then time recovering that's
• 51:46
  slower than marathon pace. So that was the intention and
• 51:51
  it's often around sort of 21 K's.
• 51:53
  And so this sort of bumbry half marathon timed quite well and
• 51:59
  they, you know, kindly put on some some prizes for us if we
• 52:02
  finished inside the top three and ran the course.
• 52:04
  So I thought we'd thought we'd double the, you know, we could
• 52:09
  use that as an opportunity to, you know, make the and, you
• 52:13
  know, these sorts of sessions you're getting later in your
• 52:16
  marathon block. So you're sort of a bit looking
• 52:18
  for some extra motivation perhaps, because doing these
• 52:20
  sessions solo can be a bit tricky and running more laps of
• 52:23
  like Munga would probably send us a bit mad.
• 52:24
  So anyway, so that was part of the brief is to sort of do
• 52:28
  something that's a bit quicker than marathon pace and then some
• 52:31
  time recovering. So when I've done this before,
• 52:33
  it's two KS on one K float, but Rafford suggested 2 1/2 K half
• 52:38
  AK for this. So that's what I did.
• 52:41
  So it was 7 by 2 1/2 KS and I think the pace guides was 307 to
• 52:45
  311 and the floats were, I didn't remember looking at the
• 52:49
  floats, but I just assumed it would be maybe around 3 1/2
• 52:52
  minute K pace. So that's sort of what I set out
• 52:55
  to do. I had my heart rate monitor on
• 52:57
  and I'd sucked down, carried a couple of big shells in my hands
• 53:01
  and then I had, I'd had one just before we started.
• 53:05
  So that was sort of the plan for nutrition because I couldn't
• 53:07
  grab bottles from every anywhere.
• 53:09
  Yeah. So that was sort of my brief
• 53:10
  going into it. And so that's what I sort of had
• 53:12
  in mind for the paces. The course is probably not
• 53:15
  completely flat. Like we chatted to the we
• 53:18
  chatted to Chris and Simon from the War podcast beforehand and
• 53:22
  they were giving us some heads up because I think the website
• 53:25
  said it might have been 270 meters or 240 meters.
• 53:30
  Would it be for the half marathon?
• 53:31
  And we're like, oh gosh, that sounds very high.
• 53:34
  And then I think they mentioned it's probably closer to like 80
• 53:37
  meters for the half marathon, which was much more realistic,
• 53:40
  which is, which was good to hear.
• 53:43
  But you could sort of as you were doing it, it's not
• 53:44
  completely flat, but there were certainly some nice sections of
• 53:47
  Rd. that you were on. And it was certainly there's a
• 53:50
  few pinch points, but for the most part you could find rhythm
• 53:53
  in different places. There was a bit of wind around.
• 53:55
  It wasn't super cool, but it was sort of you sort of fairly
• 53:58
  familiar with a lot of the conditions.
• 54:00
  I didn't feel like it was too adverse in terms of, you know,
• 54:03
  impacting performance too much. So I sort of thought with all
• 54:06
  that in mind, thought I'd try and target the paces set and
• 54:09
  just go for and my heart rate. It'd be a bit of a guide as to
• 54:12
  whether or not it was achievable or not.
• 54:15
  How about yourself, Ryan? What were you sort of thinking
• 54:17
  going into it? Yeah.
• 54:18
  So my guidance was similar but different in that it was to be 5
• 54:24
  * 3 K on with A1K float, which would give me 20 K.
• 54:29
  And then obviously I would just run the last 1.1 K to finish the
• 54:33
  race off. And again, I think the pace
• 54:37
  guidance for me was around 3:20 to 3:24, if I remember rightly.
• 54:44
  And yeah, my first two were three 20s.
• 54:50
  And I remember I've carried the bottle with me for the first Rep
• 54:53
  because, I don't know, I just wanted to have some liquid with
• 54:56
  the carbs in. And my shoulders were all tense
• 55:00
  and tight and I just didn't feel comfortable running with this
• 55:02
  bottle in my hand, which is pretty obvious.
• 55:05
  So I managed to keep it until the 1st float and then I just
• 55:09
  downed most of it then and got rid of it.
• 55:11
  And then the second Rep I think was 321 maybe.
• 55:15
  And we've, we've kind of ran out along the coast here, haven't
• 55:18
  we, for a couple of KS and then turned inland and kind of done
• 55:22
  like a circular around some Parkland.
• 55:25
  So that was that was quite pleasant as as Dean alluded to,
• 55:28
  it was a little bit rolling hills, but it's nice.
• 55:31
  We're running on the road, which is nice, nice open wide roads.
• 55:36
  And I was looking at the back of Dean for as much of it as I
• 55:38
  could and keeping them insight because this was uncharted
• 55:41
  territories as we're going to find out.
• 55:45
  And then we kind of done a circular and came back along
• 55:49
  that coastal Rd. that we just ran out past the star area and
• 55:54
  then kind of up towards the lighthouse there.
• 55:56
  And I think this was maybe the start of the third Rep or like
• 56:00
  throughout the third Rep for me. And yeah, that, that hill up
• 56:04
  towards the lighthouse pinched a little bit.
• 56:07
  And then you do kind of like a, a bit of a snake going back
• 56:11
  downhill. But they're quite short sharp
• 56:13
  bends, as in like you'll run for 10 metres, do a 18010 metres, do
• 56:17
  a 180. So at that point, like I, I kind
• 56:20
  of looked at my watch and just like had a little giggle to
• 56:23
  myself and thought, Oh, well, this wraps out the window
• 56:26
  because then you try and you try and recover it immediately, a
• 56:29
  couple of rolling hills and there's just no way of getting
• 56:32
  back into a rhythm and almost the average pace is gone.
• 56:36
  So you're just looking to kind of work hard for the rest of
• 56:39
  that Rep. But it was nice because there
• 56:40
  was a, there was a house on the right there.
• 56:43
  So the coast is on our left and there's a house on the right
• 56:46
  with them on the 2nd floor. Someone's got a set of decks on
• 56:50
  the balcony, the wall. This must be like 8:00 AM and
• 56:53
  he's just absolutely blazing tunes.
• 56:56
  So that probably helped me get a couple of seconds back in in
• 56:59
  that Rep in the average pace. And then we've kind of carried
• 57:03
  on along the coast a little bit and got to a Jessie where we've
• 57:07
  headed out and back what must be maybe 500 meters up this Jessie
• 57:13
  to around about 10 point. And everything's going
• 57:16
  swimmingly here. Me and Dean of High 5, there's
• 57:19
  Dean's been out and back and I'm heading on my way.
• 57:22
  And we're like, yeah, this this workout's going great.
• 57:25
  Dean's a shoe in for the win. This trip's going to pay off
• 57:28
  like exactly what we wanted from it.
• 57:30
  And then I've came back down the Jessie and turned right instead
• 57:34
  of left. And what was on the left was
• 57:38
  like another 10K worth, of course, which I just haven't
• 57:43
  seen at all. So I've just turned right, had
• 57:45
  the back towards the start and within about 400 metres or so I
• 57:49
  knew something had gone wrong. And I was thinking, Oh yeah,
• 57:52
  that was back at that, that E, because I was spat back out into
• 57:56
  all these marathoners or 10 KS because there's a couple of
• 57:59
  different distances going on. And it just didn't feel right
• 58:03
  that I was in the middle of this marathon race.
• 58:07
  But anyway, I just, I tried to try to contextualise it as quick
• 58:13
  as it could and just be like, well, the purpose of this is to
• 58:15
  do your last work out before the marathon.
• 58:18
  So let's just get the work done. You know that you can run for
• 58:22
  another 6K out back on the first half of the course.
• 58:26
  And let's just finish this off. But I did think, Oh well, I'll
• 58:30
  just, I'll make sure that I run the 21 K and just come back
• 58:35
  through the finishing shoot as I would have if I'd run the race
• 58:38
  anyway. But I'm misjudged how far I
• 58:40
  needed to run out to come back. So I've got back to the start
• 58:43
  area around 20 K. So I'm just trying to top up my
• 58:47
  last K running around the roundabout and over the grass
• 58:50
  Oval. And there's a couple of
• 58:52
  volunteers who are kind of directing the the 10K in the
• 58:55
  marathon, which is going on at this point.
• 58:57
  And I've obviously got a bib on the chest.
• 59:00
  So at one point this woman's like I had to say to someone
• 59:03
  else, where's that guy going or what?
• 59:05
  What's he doing? Because I'm literally just
• 59:07
  making up my own course and running around in circles.
• 59:11
  But yeah, the the last, I think the middle Rep maybe didn't say
• 59:14
  this when we went up to the lighthouse was 3/28.
• 59:18
  And then I think A325 and A320 four.
• 59:21
  And I've finished off. Maybe I ran across the finish
• 59:24
  line 7320 odd they might have been, but I didn't pay much
• 59:28
  attention to that because I was a little bit pissed off with
• 59:31
  myself that I'd run the wrong way and forfeited.
• 59:34
  What would have been a nice would have reimbursed the cost
• 59:37
  of the hotel and maybe my race entry, but there we are.
• 59:40
  The workout is done, that's that's put it to bed.
• 59:45
  I think it's just the training, hopefully.
• 59:46
  You got the training that you training you're looking for,
• 59:49
  right? Yeah.
• 59:50
  I mean, that's it at the end of the day.
• 59:51
  It wasn't despite the whole wrong turn thing and whatever,
• 59:55
  just looking at the session as it was, it probably wasn't, I
• 59:59
  don't know. It didn't feel as comfortable as
• 1:00:02
  I'd have liked as I would have liked it too, which I realized
• 1:00:06
  pretty early on, which is maybe why I didn't enjoy it very much
• 1:00:10
  because I just, I wasn't very comfortable out there.
• 1:00:13
  But then on reflection, I haven't looked at my heart rate
• 1:00:17
  data. It's a bit weird because my
• 1:00:19
  heart rate kind of comes down as the reps go on, which maybe just
• 1:00:23
  shows that I did lose interest and.
• 1:00:26
  Lack of concentration and wasn't able to kind of make myself work
• 1:00:30
  hard enough throughout to kind of make those paces a bit
• 1:00:33
  quicker, which is a bit of a shame in itself.
• 1:00:36
  But I guess there's fine margins between the workout that I did
• 1:00:40
  do and a good workout. So I'll just put that one to bed
• 1:00:44
  and be thankful that that was not the day of the race.
• 1:00:48
  And and your calf, there's no, no issues.
• 1:00:50
  There anymore? There wasn't Joran yesterday.
• 1:00:53
  Evening, my heel was a little bit swollen and unhappy, but
• 1:00:56
  this is kind of how it's gone the past couple of weeks since
• 1:00:58
  we've resumed to running on the back of a session.
• 1:01:02
  It will kind of swell up and stuff and then the next day when
• 1:01:05
  across train and kind of deload it, it comes back.
• 1:01:10
  So I'm kind of I've discovered the margin of error that I've
• 1:01:14
  got and how far I can kind of push it comfortably to be able
• 1:01:18
  to be ready to go in two days time again and kind of learn
• 1:01:21
  what I need to do to manage legit in between.
• 1:01:23
  And I was saying before actually to the physio Tom that I'm glad
• 1:01:28
  now because I've got through the past two weeks where that was a
• 1:01:32
  little bit of a worry for me. Like I knew that the calf thing
• 1:01:36
  was fine, but it was more so am I going to be be able to kind of
• 1:01:39
  get these last two weeks worth of training and done without
• 1:01:43
  kind of deload them massively? And I have.
• 1:01:46
  So that that's good because I know that like the tape is going
• 1:01:50
  to kind of start to kick in from here.
• 1:01:52
  So I know that I'll be feeling relatively fresh on the well,
• 1:01:55
  very fresh on the start line. And yeah, we'll be good to go.
• 1:01:58
  Maybe not in absolute optimal shape that I would have thought
• 1:02:01
  maybe I was going to be in four or five weeks ago, but not a
• 1:02:05
  massive, I'm hardly unfit, I'll be in good shape.
• 1:02:09
  So yeah, very good. How did How?
• 1:02:12
  Did yours finish off? Sorry, I had to get that wrong
• 1:02:16
  turn off my chest there. Yeah, I think on that wrong
• 1:02:20
  turn. I remember when we loop back and
• 1:02:23
  we high fived because we'd done a loop at the end of that that
• 1:02:27
  point. And then for whatever reason,
• 1:02:29
  the lead cyclist sort of directed us back onto that
• 1:02:31
  footpath. We ran all the way along there
• 1:02:33
  and then right at the end, he's sort of Bunny hopped back down
• 1:02:36
  onto the road to then veer like a sharp left to then go left.
• 1:02:39
  So I think when I ran past you all like, gosh, I'm, I'm worried
• 1:02:42
  that it's misleading us being back on that side of the road
• 1:02:45
  because that's why you would have naturally veered right
• 1:02:47
  rather than come down and gone left.
• 1:02:49
  Umm, albeit that we were running a looped course that the
• 1:02:53
  marathoners had start had already run some, they started
• 1:02:56
  out before us. So there would have been
• 1:02:58
  everyone that's run before us on that course would have been
• 1:03:00
  getting directed left. I would have thought.
• 1:03:01
  So it's a bit of a shame that someone didn't didn't call out.
• 1:03:05
  But yeah, it's an unfortunate part of fun running sometimes is
• 1:03:10
  some sort of those course directions.
• 1:03:12
  But yeah, very sorry to to have learned and sorry to experience
• 1:03:16
  the fact that, yeah, you were a you went off course.
• 1:03:20
  They did kindly encourage us to come back, didn't they, after
• 1:03:24
  the race and offered you free entry gear.
• 1:03:26
  So I think the war guys might have made a mention or at least
• 1:03:31
  have mentioned to me about your you being on their Road 2 series
• 1:03:34
  for next year. So watch this space, listeners.
• 1:03:37
  Yes they did DM me. Before actually and I said yeah,
• 1:03:41
  we can title it as my debut at Bunbury half soon as I haven't
• 1:03:45
  technically done it. But yeah, no, mine was good.
• 1:03:50
  It was sort of, yeah, my paces were sort of as yeah, as they
• 1:03:54
  were prescribed. So started around that three
• 1:03:57
  11312 for sort of the 2 1/2 K reps and then I floated probably
• 1:04:01
  a bit too quick, but it was sort of some of the sections of the
• 1:04:03
  course were like quicker sections for those floats.
• 1:04:05
  So they're probably a bit flattering, but I sort of held
• 1:04:08
  the floats around that sort of 320 to 325 pace.
• 1:04:11
  And then we joked about this on the when we were chatting to
• 1:04:14
  some of the guys after the race. But there's this nice section
• 1:04:18
  you sort of run in towards this sort of the prevailing like
• 1:04:20
  easterly wind, I think for kilometres, say 14 to 17.
• 1:04:25
  And then from 17 through to 20, you've got this really nice sort
• 1:04:29
  of tailwind and a real flat section.
• 1:04:31
  So that's where I had my last couple of reps.
• 1:04:34
  And so that was sort of a bit easier to sort of hit pace or
• 1:04:36
  run it slightly quicker and it sort of wasn't as intentional.
• 1:04:40
  My heart rate was sort of, you know, it was there was heart
• 1:04:42
  rate creep throughout. It did get up, but it didn't, it
• 1:04:45
  sort of didn't get too carried away.
• 1:04:46
  So the effort felt pretty, pretty good.
• 1:04:49
  And yeah, I enjoyed the course. That run up to the lighthouse
• 1:04:52
  bit feels like a bit of a pinch to it.
• 1:04:54
  That's probably the hardest part of it, but yeah, I really liked
• 1:04:58
  it. I'd sort of never been into
• 1:04:59
  Bunbury before. I think we'd have to make it a
• 1:05:01
  family trip for next year. It was a really nice week, like
• 1:05:05
  really nice course and the locals were super friendly.
• 1:05:07
  I got a heap of on course support and it was just a fun
• 1:05:10
  way to yeah, fun morning and you came across the line and what
• 1:05:15
  time? Was it about 60?
• 1:05:18
  7:30 Maybe just sunder Yeah, just a just a touch quicker than
• 1:05:22
  my. PB yeah, not intentional, that's
• 1:05:26
  for sure. Scissor arms.
• 1:05:29
  At the end, Seth. O'Donnell down the queue last
• 1:05:31
  last float well and truly out the.
• 1:05:33
  Window might have been a bit quick actually.
• 1:05:35
  Yeah, but downhill. Downhill.
• 1:05:41
  And then what did we do? We just had a 5K cool down then
• 1:05:45
  we went back to the room and just quickly changed and then
• 1:05:49
  went and done the cool down, smashed the chalky milk and then
• 1:05:52
  hit the. Road to get down to the
• 1:05:53
  athletics in the afternoon. I I only thought before
• 1:05:56
  actually. Did you take those ketones?
• 1:05:58
  Because I forgot about them. Put them in the fridge as well,
• 1:06:01
  didn't you? No, I realized.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah, We. Donated them to room 104.
• 1:06:08
  Oh God, I. Hope, I hope someone, some
• 1:06:11
  unknowing innocent couple doesn't open the fridge and
• 1:06:14
  think they're part of room service and think oh what's
• 1:06:17
  this? I'll try.
• 1:06:17
  I'll sample this and I would love to know the feed the
• 1:06:21
  weekend of their lives. But then, well, when we were in
• 1:06:27
  the room after once getting showered and stuff, we go got
• 1:06:30
  the cold and we and I thought I might have been on for the prize
• 1:06:33
  money, but yeah, it just teased me with the free entry, which
• 1:06:36
  did come through today. So that's that's nice for next
• 1:06:39
  year. And yeah, we, we hit the road to
• 1:06:41
  get back for yesterday afternoon's track, track stuff.
• 1:06:44
  So it was a pretty full on weekend, wasn't it?
• 1:06:47
  And you had a couple of birthdays in the immediate
• 1:06:49
  family. So if it felt full on for me,
• 1:06:52
  God knows how it was for you. Yeah, no, we had, yeah, two
• 1:06:55
  birds with. One stone.
• 1:06:56
  So we had yeah, birthday party. Well, you know, birthday events
• 1:07:00
  on the Saturday into Saturday evening.
• 1:07:02
  But but yeah, no survived, which is good fun weekend.
• 1:07:07
  And just to finish off that training week.
• 1:07:09
  What what was your case? What's the total damage?
• 1:07:12
  I think it was like 147. Maybe just under 150, I think.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, nice. But with a.
• 1:07:17
  Lot of good quality work in there.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, not decent weight. I think mine.
• 1:07:23
  Looking at it is 100 and. 12K of running and then maybe about 3
• 1:07:27
  or 4 hours of cross training. So yeah, decent for me as well.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah yeah. Spines.
• 1:07:33
  Why you're feeling a bit tired? Probably.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah, the the impact of the cross trainer.
• 1:07:37
  Hits the muscles differently, that's for sure.
• 1:07:39
  And I think that might be kind of one of the reasons why I was
• 1:07:42
  feeling a bit flat and heavy during the running.
• 1:07:44
  But we shall see. Can't be making any excuses now,
• 1:07:48
  can I? No excuses there.
• 1:07:54
  I've made my bed. I shall lie in it.
• 1:07:56
  So we're going to jump across to Owen, who's tuning in from
• 1:08:00
  Brisbane Air Force. Take us away, Owen.
• 1:08:03
  Hello guys. It's Owen here and unfortunately
• 1:08:06
  I'm not with the guys this week. I got the dates mixed up and
• 1:08:10
  then currently in the airport in Brisbane so I thought I'd be
• 1:08:14
  with the lads live. However, I am currently
• 1:08:17
  recording from a corner of Brisbane airport so if you hear
• 1:08:20
  some background noise, desperate times call for desperate
• 1:08:23
  measures. I'm just working with what I've
• 1:08:25
  got. So I've had a lovely beautiful
• 1:08:28
  road trip along the East Coast. Got spoiled with the weather,
• 1:08:31
  probably only got a bit of rain on the very last day in the
• 1:08:34
  Sunshine Coast. So yeah, really, really good
• 1:08:37
  trip. Again, little to no running done
• 1:08:40
  on my behalf. I'm having a little bit of a
• 1:08:42
  break. The leg is coming around slowly
• 1:08:44
  but surely. But yeah, I'm still taking it
• 1:08:47
  very easy and slow on my return. So I've got, again, not much
• 1:08:53
  running done, but I've had a really good trip.
• 1:08:56
  The highlight of the trip would probably, I've done a skydive in
• 1:09:00
  Cairns, a sun, a sun sunrise skydive.
• 1:09:04
  And yeah, that was incredible. Jumping out of a plane at 15,000
• 1:09:07
  foot. It was, yeah, sort of a once in
• 1:09:10
  a lifetime experience. Another highlight was the
• 1:09:13
  Whitsundays. Like that beach is an absolute
• 1:09:15
  joke. It's just a postcard.
• 1:09:17
  The only bad thing is you can't swim the water because of them
• 1:09:20
  little. Your kanji and jellyfish,
• 1:09:23
  they're like the size of like the nail on your little finger.
• 1:09:26
  But yeah, if they sting. Yeah, Sorry if you can hear
• 1:09:29
  that. It's just announcement going off
• 1:09:32
  to prove that I actually am in the airport.
• 1:09:34
  I'll just let it play. All right.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah. Literally.
• 1:09:37
  Or kanji, jellyfish. Do you like the size of the nail
• 1:09:40
  on your little finger? And if they sting yet, you are
• 1:09:42
  in serious trouble. I think you've got like 2 hours
• 1:09:44
  to get to the airport. If you're in with Sunday's, the
• 1:09:47
  closest airport is Mackay. So you don't feel the effects of
• 1:09:50
  being stung for half an hour and then it takes like 40 minutes to
• 1:09:54
  get to Mackay. So yeah, you're sort of cutting
• 1:09:56
  it for time, which is why you wear Stinger suits and you just,
• 1:10:00
  if you're not wearing a Stinger suit, you basically don't get in
• 1:10:02
  the water. So yeah, but with Sundays,
• 1:10:04
  again, stoning place. Another highlight was Kigari or
• 1:10:09
  Fraser Island. Really cool place.
• 1:10:12
  It's like, it's like the largest sand island in the whole world.
• 1:10:16
  So yeah, I got tore. You're in a little.
• 1:10:18
  I was in a little like 4 wheel drive bus and yeah, you just get
• 1:10:22
  a tour in the island. It's pretty cool to bring to all
• 1:10:24
  those different spots. Seen a dingo, which was pretty
• 1:10:26
  cool. Just a wild little dog.
• 1:10:28
  Yeah. So my trip has been, has been my
• 1:10:30
  trip has been really, really good.
• 1:10:32
  And yeah, just ready to get back to personnel.
• 1:10:35
  That was the highlights of my trip.
• 1:10:37
  The worst, the like the worst part of the trip was the
• 1:10:39
  humidity in Cairns. And if you live in Cairns, I
• 1:10:44
  salute you that like I could not live there.
• 1:10:48
  You're literally walking around 2 minutes, not even 2 seconds
• 1:10:52
  and you're just sweating like that's walking, never mind
• 1:10:55
  running. I don't know how you would even
• 1:10:56
  go about running in Cairns or final Queensland like it's it's
• 1:11:00
  actually a joke. So yeah, that was a downside.
• 1:11:04
  And another bad thing about the holiday was we done a layover in
• 1:11:08
  or stop over in Rockhampton and it was genuinely the police.
• 1:11:13
  People from Rockhampton don't take offense to this, but I just
• 1:11:15
  didn't feel safe in that place. Yeah, a lot of funny dodgy
• 1:11:19
  people around there. So yeah, that was only A1
• 1:11:21
  nighter. I got out of there as quick as
• 1:11:23
  possible. But other than that, yeah, we
• 1:11:25
  were so lucky with the weather. Sunny 95% of the time and all
• 1:11:30
  the trips were really sunny as well.
• 1:11:32
  Really cool. And yeah.
• 1:11:34
  So All in all, far North Queensland is a really nice
• 1:11:39
  place. Sorry, another announcement.
• 1:11:46
  And I'm back. So yeah, the lads will give me a
• 1:11:48
  couple of questions. Ryan is trying to be funny
• 1:11:50
  sitting asking are they familiar with the Irish accent in far
• 1:11:54
  North Queensland? And my answer to that is there's
• 1:11:56
  a truckload of Irish up in far North Queensland getting their
• 1:12:00
  88 days done because we have to do a bit of farm work like the
• 1:12:04
  Commonwealth countries. So yes, I met a lot of people
• 1:12:08
  that knew my friends back home because Ireland's so small.
• 1:12:11
  So like, I knew people that they know and yeah, they they could
• 1:12:14
  understand what I was saying. Basically.
• 1:12:16
  Another question I got that I have any FOMO from nationals.
• 1:12:19
  I absolutely did. When I seen the photo of you
• 1:12:23
  guys, Ryan, Dean Whit, Cam and Kai Robinson and Zafacchione, I
• 1:12:30
  was extremely jealous and like even just watching all the races
• 1:12:34
  from the stream, like the crowds looked unbelievable there.
• 1:12:38
  It would have been so nice to have been there in person.
• 1:12:41
  But yeah, I had serious, serious FOMO.
• 1:12:45
  But hopefully, well, I'll never be here again so you never know,
• 1:12:49
  I might come back for nationals in the future.
• 1:12:51
  Another question from the lads Ryan asked, what are your
• 1:12:55
  thoughts on Man United? For everyone who listens, I am a
• 1:12:59
  United fan and put it in Australian terms.
• 1:13:03
  Man United's current situation is pretty similar to West Coast
• 1:13:07
  Eagles situation. We are both super shit.
• 1:13:09
  So all you West Coast Eagle fans know what I'm going through.
• 1:13:12
  So yeah, it's not fun, but hopefully we can turn a corner
• 1:13:16
  in the near future and actually win a game.
• 1:13:18
  But yeah, next year might be our year, so I'm just going to leave
• 1:13:22
  it at that. On my YouTube, I didn't really
• 1:13:25
  watch much. I've got a couple of Irish
• 1:13:28
  Youtubers lined up in the coming weeks.
• 1:13:31
  But I'll leave it to the lads to do YouTube Diaries this week.
• 1:13:34
  And my double trouble, my personal double trouble would be
• 1:13:38
  the humidity in Cairns or Farnall QLD.
• 1:13:42
  If you live up there, you are built differently.
• 1:13:46
  I don't know how you guys do it. Yeah, I was.
• 1:13:49
  If I was living up there, I'd have to have a couple of pairs
• 1:13:51
  of T-shirts, spare T-shirts on me the whole time.
• 1:13:53
  And. And yeah, guys, that's a little
• 1:13:55
  update from me, really. Next week I will 100% be be
• 1:14:02
  recording with the lads unless the plane goes down or something
• 1:14:05
  like that, which God forbid those.
• 1:14:07
  But yeah. So guys, I shall see you next
• 1:14:10
  week. Hopefully I'll have done some
• 1:14:12
  more running. And yeah guys, that's it at the
• 1:14:15
  moment. Ryan and Dean, you guys are
• 1:14:17
  keeping this podcast afloat. I've been slacking.
• 1:14:20
  So hopefully next week we will return to normality and yeah,
• 1:14:25
  back to normal. All right guys, Owen here from
• 1:14:28
  Brisbane Airport, do you want to talk to us about?
• 1:14:33
  What you've seen on YouTube this week, you sent them through
• 1:14:36
  earlier. It's pretty good.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah. This is this is sort of.
• 1:14:39
  Inspired a bit by Seth O'donnell's run.
• 1:14:42
  So I feel like, you know, like I love an underdog.
• 1:14:47
  And that's what I thought Seth was.
• 1:14:49
  And I've sort of followed athletics for a while, and these
• 1:14:55
  are a couple of races. So the NCAA sort of US
• 1:15:01
  collegiate athletics is probably undisputed lead the top tier of
• 1:15:07
  sort of college athletics and for for.
• 1:15:11
  And so they have a really sort of competitive program and
• 1:15:15
  there's been there's been success in terms of Aussie
• 1:15:18
  success over there over time. But during this sort of period
• 1:15:23
  of which I'm referring to sort of say from 2013 through 2016,
• 1:15:28
  there was a guy in, in the US college system known as Edward
• 1:15:32
  Cheserick or King Chez, as he would, he would become known as
• 1:15:35
  because he sort of ruled the roost.
• 1:15:38
  And I think he, he, he won 17 NCAA titles, which is sort of
• 1:15:43
  quite coveted titles to win. And he somehow in his Four
• 1:15:46
  Seasons of athletics, you know, but over the course of sort of
• 1:15:50
  indoor track, outdoor track and cross country just dominated.
• 1:15:54
  He sort of came in as a freshman and surprisingly won NCAA cross.
• 1:16:00
  And then he won, went on to just like just this top, top athlete.
• 1:16:05
  And so as a result, he sort of had a monopoly on a lot of the
• 1:16:08
  prizes. But on a rare occasion there
• 1:16:11
  might there was some Aussie underdogs that were sort of
• 1:16:13
  competing. And there was a few Aussie
• 1:16:16
  athletes that ran for a college called Villanova.
• 1:16:19
  One of them was a Perth based guy, Sam Mcentee.
• 1:16:22
  And Grainy used to coach him back in the day when he was a
• 1:16:25
  high schooler. And he went over to Villanova
• 1:16:27
  and at the same time Geordie Williams, who I think might be
• 1:16:30
  partner, his partner might be Sarah Billings, but he he was
• 1:16:34
  over there and so was Pat Tiernan all at the same time.
• 1:16:37
  So there's sort of three Aussies all competing for Villanova at
• 1:16:40
  the same time. And there's they in US track,
• 1:16:44
  they have a, a meeting where they do a four by mile.
• 1:16:47
  So you have 4 people run for your college team and those 4
• 1:16:51
  athletes, they, they, it's a relay and it's sort of first to
• 1:16:55
  finish. And this NCAA 4 by mile flow
• 1:16:58
  track back in the day, they used to release, they used to call it
• 1:17:01
  the tasty race of the week. And that's why if you find this
• 1:17:04
  one on YouTube, it's referred to as tasty race.
• 1:17:06
  It got uploaded from sort of low tax flow tracks website to
• 1:17:09
  YouTube maybe 7 or so years ago. But it's such a good race and
• 1:17:13
  it's really good because it's such a tactical affair.
• 1:17:15
  So it really hots up in the sort of fourth leg when Geordie
• 1:17:18
  Williams takes over, but he just lost to chairs in the DMR the
• 1:17:22
  day before, which is the distance medley relay.
• 1:17:24
  So Villanova and and sorry. And for further context, King
• 1:17:29
  chairs used to run for Oregon and Oregon at the time.
• 1:17:31
  So Oregon track club were like the premium, you know, like the
• 1:17:35
  Rolls Royce track club. Like during that time, the Nike
• 1:17:38
  Origin Oregon Project was in full flight with the likes of Mo
• 1:17:42
  Farah and Galen Rupp sort of dominating the 2012 Olympics.
• 1:17:46
  You know, that was that era where Mo Farah was, you know,
• 1:17:48
  dominated again in Rio 2016. So Oregon just had this shine to
• 1:17:52
  it. And so then you had this sort of
• 1:17:54
  group of like Aussie underdogs trying to stick it to the Oregon
• 1:17:57
  Ducks. And so it was just a really good
• 1:17:59
  4 by mile race. I won't spoil the ending, but
• 1:18:01
  one to watch. And then that was against King
• 1:18:03
  Chez and then the next one was the end.
• 1:18:06
  So that's the first one, this 4 by mile race.
• 1:18:08
  The next one is the following year.
• 1:18:10
  That's in 2015. Then you flash forward to NCAA
• 1:18:12
  cross country the following year and Pat Tianan who's on a bit of
• 1:18:16
  a who's running really well. Pat and Sam I think made it into
• 1:18:20
  the Olympics in 2016 at Rio in the 5K.
• 1:18:23
  So they were running really well and Pat sort of races.
• 1:18:26
  Pat tried to beat King Chez the year before in NCAA cross, which
• 1:18:31
  Chesaric had won the first two years of his collegiate sort of
• 1:18:34
  career. And then Pat tries to basically
• 1:18:37
  run Chesaric off his legs and just sends it.
• 1:18:41
  And Pat and and Chesaric just like clear the field.
• 1:18:44
  They're like 30 seconds in front of everyone, but Pat just can't
• 1:18:47
  drop him and and Chesaric just, you know, sort of just sits,
• 1:18:50
  sits, sits and with about a couple of KS to go, just drops
• 1:18:53
  him and runs away with it. But Fast forward to 2016 and Pat
• 1:18:57
  has a different plan and the race is really good.
• 1:19:00
  Hales has probably heard me play this race because this this race
• 1:19:03
  I used to plan like repeat to I may have fallen asleep to it
• 1:19:07
  once or 1000 times. So she's like, I know, I know
• 1:19:10
  this race inside now and it's a it's a really good race and I
• 1:19:13
  won't spoil the ending again, but it's another good one where
• 1:19:16
  good sort of underdog story. SO2 good races, link them in the
• 1:19:20
  show notes. They're a couple of ones where
• 1:19:23
  you know some Aussie favourites are sort of causing a bit of an
• 1:19:26
  upset. Yeah.
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  Thanks for sending them through. Because I watched the first one
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  that you're referring to before and I've heard other people talk
• 1:19:34
  of that as well, but just never made the effort to go and watch
• 1:19:38
  it. But I did watch it before and
• 1:19:40
  yeah, it's there's so much drama in it and it's such a good
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  format as well. Isn't it like 4 by a mile?
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  It's something you don't see otherwise.
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  Yeah, good dynamic, Yeah. So.
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  Listeners, please let us know if.
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  You are watching these videos and also if if you're not, then
• 1:19:56
  that's fine. But we're just assuming that a
• 1:20:00
  lot or some of you may be just fully endorsed running nerds
• 1:20:04
  like ourselves. So we're trying to bring you
• 1:20:06
  bring you some fresh content or some some vintage content as
• 1:20:09
  Dean likes to go down that route.
• 1:20:12
  And with the double trouble, as I said earlier, I'm not sure
• 1:20:16
  whether Owen will have submitted one or not.
• 1:20:18
  I asked him to try and dig one out from his trip, maybe a non
• 1:20:21
  related double trouble. But otherwise to play it safe,
• 1:20:26
  we'll go with the $6 handling fee.
• 1:20:29
  Not that this is hardly going to come across ticketmasters desk
• 1:20:33
  isn't know how they're going to give an absolute shite about
• 1:20:35
  what we say. But to get a ticket for
• 1:20:39
  nationals, as Dean said earlier, was $25, but then you have to
• 1:20:43
  buy it through Ticketmaster and Ticketmaster puts it might have
• 1:20:47
  even been 650 on top of the $25, which is like just extortionate
• 1:20:52
  ratio of handling fee for the price of the ticket.
• 1:20:56
  And yeah, Ticketmaster, you've got nothing.
• 1:20:59
  Well, I mean, they're the ones selling the tickets, but just
• 1:21:03
  stay out of it. You make enough money.
• 1:21:04
  Why are you getting involved and putting $6 on a small little
• 1:21:09
  athletic meet ticket, which you're probably going to sell an
• 1:21:12
  absolute handful of tickets for compared to like the 1800
• 1:21:16
  thousand seater stadiums that you'll be selling out like in
• 1:21:20
  probably 20 plus venues week, week in, week out around the
• 1:21:24
  world. So yeah, I wasn't too happy
• 1:21:26
  about that one, but if you learnt the trick then you could
• 1:21:30
  turn up to the track and buy a ticket from the box office with
• 1:21:34
  no handling fee. But again, you shouldn't really
• 1:21:37
  be having to do that because you have to jump in a queue in the
• 1:21:40
  in the sun. But yeah, it was a nice, nice
• 1:21:42
  backup. And at the end of the day, I
• 1:21:45
  think if you said to me now, would you have paid $32 for the
• 1:21:49
  ticket then? Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  So we'll be more than happy to do that.
• 1:21:51
  But if you're going in multiple days then and you're paying for
• 1:21:55
  multiple people, all of a sudden what should be accessible to all
• 1:21:59
  becomes an expensive affair. Yeah, I think you still hear me
• 1:22:01
  at the I. Think at the very least they
• 1:22:03
  could have part proceeds could maybe could have gone to like
• 1:22:06
  grassroots athletics or something, you know, give
• 1:22:09
  something back to a sport that sort of doesn't do that well
• 1:22:11
  financially. I think in some respects that
• 1:22:13
  would have been, but yeah, bit stiff, bit steep, but we'll see
• 1:22:16
  if I might. Provide the drama as he
• 1:22:20
  sometimes does. So we shall see.
• 1:22:23
  Relax, we do have a few listener.
• 1:22:24
  Come on, say again, sorry I. Say be relaxed and ready to to,
• 1:22:28
  to shoot from the hip. Hopefully.
• 1:22:29
  I think, oh, I'm sure we do. We do have a few.
• 1:22:32
  Listener questions because I opened it up on the Instagram I
• 1:22:35
  thought on earlier. So got Thomas Ted Jasks who had
• 1:22:40
  the best running partner for a day in Perth whilst the
• 1:22:42
  nationals were on within a little almost sarcastic wink
• 1:22:46
  because then did you see what he got up to Dean?
• 1:22:50
  No, I didn't. No, this is.
• 1:22:52
  Do tell, he managed. Maybe it was.
• 1:22:55
  Two, at least one room with Jess Stenson and and he got, he got a
• 1:23:00
  nice selfie in with her. So I'm not sure if there's an an
• 1:23:02
  underlying connection there where he like already knows her
• 1:23:05
  or if they just hooked that up. I'm not sure.
• 1:23:08
  But yeah, that was a good experience.
• 1:23:10
  Tom's a fair play. I didn't manage to get the run
• 1:23:14
  in with Cam Myers as we alluded to last week, but I think maybe
• 1:23:17
  on reflection, I thought I would leave the poor kid alone, but
• 1:23:21
  then yeah, world's collided. Then we ended up asking him for
• 1:23:23
  a selfie instead. So Josh, Ty asks, I don't know
• 1:23:30
  if there's any, any context or any back story to this, but I'll
• 1:23:34
  leave it up to if the listeners can put two and two together and
• 1:23:37
  they they know what the back story is, then then you know.
• 1:23:40
  But he asks, what are your thoughts on cannabis gummies for
• 1:23:45
  recovery post marathon? No comment.
• 1:23:48
  No comment. No, it's.
• 1:23:50
  I think. That's the the safe answer.
• 1:23:53
  It's not. It's not something I would use
• 1:23:55
  particularly even if I did use them, Maybe not if I was racing
• 1:24:00
  overseas. Adam Lamb asks.
• 1:24:03
  Should we normalize course maps in tight pockets for athletes
• 1:24:08
  who can't navigate the course themselves?
• 1:24:12
  I think this one might be aimed towards me.
• 1:24:16
  So apparently, yes, we should normalize that and maybe it's a
• 1:24:19
  learn for me to take from here. So yeah.
• 1:24:22
  So is that downloading the GPS? File so that you like can use
• 1:24:26
  that when you're racing. I think that's a great idea and
• 1:24:29
  I think maybe it should be offered in a, as part of, you
• 1:24:32
  know, when you, when you find their course map that you can
• 1:24:35
  download the Garmin GPX files. Probably a nice, a nice option
• 1:24:38
  because then you a lot of the, the features of Garmin or Chorus
• 1:24:42
  is it actually will like when we use that for the Helena Looper.
• 1:24:46
  I've used it first the Perth 50K is you can actually, it'll
• 1:24:49
  countdown how far you've got to go in your race, which is quite
• 1:24:52
  helpful because then you can sort of work out and you know,
• 1:24:55
  what pace you're on and, and what your expected finish time
• 1:24:58
  is. So, Oh yeah, it's a very good
• 1:25:00
  idea. I think that is actually.
• 1:25:03
  A great answer and it's also what I thought when he said it
• 1:25:06
  as well, but I think he is just trying to poke fun.
• 1:25:08
  So cheers Adam. But that is the logical
• 1:25:11
  response. Like it's a legit option to do
• 1:25:14
  that and it would avoid doing what I've done.
• 1:25:17
  So yeah. Chris Shaw, metronome run asks
• 1:25:22
  has Ryan picked up a copy of the 2025 UBD?
• 1:25:26
  Do you know what UBD 2025 is, Dean?
• 1:25:31
  I thought is it business director?
• 1:25:33
  I think you might be. Referring to the the the maps
• 1:25:36
  basically. So about directions, it's a
• 1:25:39
  direction book. So yeah, that might be another
• 1:25:42
  comment on on yesterday. I've just googled it now and
• 1:25:46
  says Perth. Street Directory 2025.
• 1:25:49
  So yeah, won't be, won't be looking into that any further.
• 1:25:53
  No I haven't Chris fittingly WA running pod as we allude to.
• 1:26:02
  Will Ryan join the Warp Rd. to Bunbury Lighthouse training
• 1:26:05
  series next year? Not sure if that's poking fun
• 1:26:07
  again or if he's being serious, but who knows.
• 1:26:12
  Hopefully I'll still be around to be be doing Bunbury
• 1:26:17
  Lighthouse next year so we'll see.
• 1:26:21
  Susie McMahon says top two most impressive races at nationals
• 1:26:26
  and what did you most enjoy? I think we've kind of covered
• 1:26:29
  that off. It's it's probably hard to hard
• 1:26:32
  to separate some of them, but I don't know.
• 1:26:33
  Did you have a stand out favorite?
• 1:26:35
  Mine are probably a bit unfair because I didn't see.
• 1:26:37
  All that many, but I just thought Seth's upset win and
• 1:26:40
  Gout Gout's 19.8, they were like like there were so many very
• 1:26:46
  good races. But those those are the of the
• 1:26:48
  few that I saw and that sort of yeah, I won't forget anytime
• 1:26:52
  soon. So yeah, but there was hate.
• 1:26:54
  I love the whole thing. Yeah, fair.
• 1:26:57
  I won't disagree with. You but maybe just for variety,
• 1:27:02
  I'll go with both the men's and the women's 1500s because I
• 1:27:05
  always just find them so exciting.
• 1:27:07
  Like they're on on for long enough to like kind of gauge
• 1:27:10
  your interest in a bit of a tactical affair.
• 1:27:13
  But they're, they're also like less than 5 minutes.
• 1:27:16
  So every like kind of second of it is intense and everything's
• 1:27:20
  on the line. So yeah, Shandy man's life.
• 1:27:23
  Ryan Shand, who actually posted an intriguing comment on your
• 1:27:29
  Strava this weekend, asks thoughts on Minister for Sports
• 1:27:36
  only giving medals for men's 200m so she can meet Gauth.
• 1:27:42
  I was not aware of that, but that is hilarious.
• 1:27:46
  The the name goes before the man or the boy.
• 1:27:50
  James W Payne asks what data fields do you use on your Garmin
• 1:27:54
  slash core off? It sounded like Dean just uses
• 1:27:57
  average pace, time and HR as bridges.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah, that's my. Main.
• 1:28:03
  That's the main one I run to. I think I have a few data
• 1:28:06
  screens but like that's pretty much it.
• 1:28:08
  Normally for me, I don't have, like, I actually don't even have
• 1:28:12
  a screen at the minute for total distance, which sometimes can be
• 1:28:17
  annoying. But yeah, no, wait, no, I think
• 1:28:20
  I do. Hold on.
• 1:28:21
  Let me check. How about you, Ryan?
• 1:28:23
  Yeah, usually. For a session, I just want to
• 1:28:26
  see my lap pace, my lap time and my heart rate.
• 1:28:33
  I'm just trying to think in my head if that's right, because I
• 1:28:35
  don't want to get called out and be like, oh, you idiot, why
• 1:28:38
  don't you look at that? But I think that is right.
• 1:28:40
  I'm only ever concerned with kind of what each interval that
• 1:28:44
  I'm doing right there. And then it's like don't look at
• 1:28:47
  the session cumulatively until afterwards.
• 1:28:51
  And then maybe in a race I would have total time, lap time in
• 1:28:56
  case I'm lapping like manually every K or every two K, every
• 1:29:01
  5K, whatever it may be. I always want to see that what
• 1:29:05
  that individual split is, what I'm in there.
• 1:29:07
  And then, and then the total time to refer back to in a race
• 1:29:12
  heart rate, I think that will be it.
• 1:29:14
  Yeah, I've got like 2 data screens one.
• 1:29:16
  'S heart rate time, lap pace, that's my main one, and then the
• 1:29:21
  other one's lap distance, lap time, lap pace.
• 1:29:24
  Oh yeah, see, I knew I was missing something, obviously.
• 1:29:26
  Lap distance, you know, you know what you're up to.
• 1:29:30
  We're getting out. It's gone.
• 1:29:31
  Yeah, it's sometimes, I don't know, total.
• 1:29:34
  Distance, but I can do them. I think that's we're through the
• 1:29:38
  lesson of questions. So just to kind of wrap up ahead
• 1:29:41
  of next week, what's coming up, we've got Boston Marathon a week
• 1:29:45
  today, which is very exciting, but maybe in terms of Australia
• 1:29:50
  time, it might be a week tomorrow haven't quite looked
• 1:29:53
  that far ahead kind of how the time difference works would
• 1:29:56
  would you know when that would be the start time or let's
• 1:29:59
  actually have a look. No, I'm not sure off the top add
• 1:30:03
  15 hours. That means is it on this the
• 1:30:06
  start time will be between midnight and 2:00 AM the
• 1:30:09
  following day. So that's it's no good, Yeah,
• 1:30:12
  but that's off a quick Google search.
• 1:30:14
  So please don't take my word for it.
• 1:30:16
  And please do your own research. Don't want to be responsible for
• 1:30:19
  anyone missing the race. And then we have also the return
• 1:30:23
  of our the promise return and we'll look, we'll look at how
• 1:30:28
  the first week of a taper or slightly reduced volume and
• 1:30:31
  intensity looks for Dean and I as we look to bring this
• 1:30:35
  marathon build home. Just lastly, Dean, I did want to
• 1:30:38
  say not that you have to comment on this and just call.
• 1:30:40
  Yeah, bring on the taper that we.
• 1:30:43
  Have to. We've got a few listeners in the
• 1:30:46
  US amongst other countries, but the US intrigues me because I
• 1:30:49
  literally don't think I know I know anyone in the US.
• 1:30:53
  So if you are listening to a country from a country, see that
• 1:30:56
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• 1:31:01
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• 1:31:06
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• 1:31:10
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• 1:31:13
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• 1:31:15
  And then yeah, give us a rating if you're enjoying it.
• 1:31:19
  Thanks guys. See you next week, Dino.
• 1:31:21
  See you mate. I'll be training.