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Psychic Channels Einstein? Barbara Lee on Consciousness, Timelines & Spiritual Awakening · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  Welcome to Willow Healing Matters the podcast we are so excited
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  SPEAKER_02: as we look into different ways to heal your mind body and soul
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone,
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  it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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  Matters and I am
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  SPEAKER_02: joined again by the delightful Barbara Lee Whipp.
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  SPEAKER_02: She has been on our show before.
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  Her episode came out in October last year and I'll make sure to
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  include a link to
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  SPEAKER_02: the show notes.
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  But for those of you who are new to my world and just listening
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  to my interview
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  SPEAKER_02: with Barbara for the first time,
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  SPEAKER_02: she's an international peace activist,
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  SPEAKER_02: an award-winning author and publisher and
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  a psychic channel composer and performer and the co-founder of
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  Conflict Revolution.
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  Bold piece a one person at a time starting with yourself a
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  revolutionary way to
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  SPEAKER_02: resolve conflicts of the psyche.
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  as a pathway to world peace based on her work channeling the
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  angels and Albert Einstein.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a big welcome back, Barbara.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much, Catherine.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm just so delighted to be chatting with you again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now,
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  SPEAKER_02: since we last spoke,
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  SPEAKER_02: you have had a lot happen in your life,
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  but I feel the biggest thing that we were just quickly touching
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  upon was you going
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  SPEAKER_02: to this World Science Fair in,
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  SPEAKER_02: was it Germany?
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  SPEAKER_03: It was Barcelona.
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  Barcelona yes so so for those of you who aren't familiar
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  because Barbara channels
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  Albert Einstein she wrote this incredible book that was so well
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  revered correct me
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  if I'm wrong that she was invited to speak this science
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  synopsis and share the work
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  SPEAKER_02: at that level and please continue that story
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  SPEAKER_03: and just to give it context,
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  SPEAKER_03: the Science of Consciousness Conference,
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  SPEAKER_03: this was the 31st year,
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  and it comes out of the University of Arizona Tucson
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  Astrophysicist Department.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they started it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I did 30-some years ago, and it was just scientists.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as they've pursued what is consciousness,
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  SPEAKER_03: quite naturally,
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  SPEAKER_03: the psychics and the psychologists and the roomy mass,
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  SPEAKER_03: everyone started to come to add.
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  SPEAKER_03: So on the 30th anniversary, I didn't actually speak.
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  I just had a poster session where I had a big poster and stood
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  there while people
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  SPEAKER_03: came or didn't come.
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  SPEAKER_03: So in Barcelona,
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  SPEAKER_03: it was actually the day I was speaking was one day shy of the actual 70th
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  SPEAKER_03: anniversary of Einstein's,
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  SPEAKER_03: not the one I channel.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, they're the same, but the living.
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  Einstein's last manifesto his last words were read on July 9th
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  1955 probably a few
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  months after he died because he died in April and so it was one
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  day short of the
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  70th anniversary of Bertrand Russell delivering Einstein's
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  message in London and so
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  here I was and honestly Catherine it was so it was I was so
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  nervous and anxious
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  SPEAKER_03: which is not like me
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  I get nervous but I don't get like my hair falling out and it
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  was really curious to
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  me but what now in retrospect as I've digested what what's
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  happened it's just was
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  huge it was huge to stand there and deliver this unified field
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  theory and the maps
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  of human consciousness and consciousness is the fifth
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  fundamental force of the
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  universe to a lot of scientists and when this sort of sums it
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  up for me I was
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  SPEAKER_03: expressing to them that
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  SPEAKER_03: 20 years ago when I was channeling this and Einstein was telling me these
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  SPEAKER_03: revolutionary ideas that I had no idea.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not a scientist.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a musician.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, all I wanted to be was a rock star.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know if it's even feasible for the source.
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  to be in the center of the earth and to have it operate like a
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  black hole.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what he told me in 2005 as I was writing this book for him.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so all of these years later,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm standing at this conference saying,
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  SPEAKER_03: I said,
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know if this is possible.
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  SPEAKER_03: And three people stood up and fist bumped.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, it's a black hole.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  And it was like after the entire experience and I finally
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  settled sort of back down
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  SPEAKER_03: to earth,
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  SPEAKER_03: I felt like my job was kind of done.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I don't mean I'm through completely,
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  but I left the conference feeling like that is the culmination
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  of all of the work
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  that Einstein wanted me to do to bring forth this theory so he
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  could get it into
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  SPEAKER_03: consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's been a real change, a real change of life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it's like, okay, we've achieved that project.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's next, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's the next evolution for Barbara?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as I've kind of, it's taken a long time to adapt.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I've done this work since 1987.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've been channeling.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's part of who I am.
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  SPEAKER_03: And
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  The project and the mission of Einstein and the angels and all
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  of that has just
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  SPEAKER_03: been woven into the fabric of my life.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I had to take this time to adjust.
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  SPEAKER_03: Who am I any more than anyway?
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  SPEAKER_03: As we say in the psychic story, who am I any more than anyway?
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  And what happened was that space was filled quite synchronicity
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  with synchronicity.
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  And that's another story of how I spent my winter,
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  where it led me into the winter.
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  And I live on an island in Lake Superior in northern Wisconsin
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  And for the past
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  several winters I've gone south to Georgia to spend time with
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  my friend And I was
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  all ready to go I had the house rented And my friend could not
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  accommodate me She
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  SPEAKER_03: couldn't have me for circumstances that had come up
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  SPEAKER_03: Come and stay with her for the winter.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I was without a home or anywhere to go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Luckily,
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  some very dear friends of mine invited me to come and live with
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  them in Madison,
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  SPEAKER_03: Wisconsin.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wonderful people, very community.
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  SPEAKER_03: They have a big compound.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was really wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I had to get a job of some kind to do something.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, you know, working in a bookstore or teaching piano.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they are both union cab drivers.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is not Uber.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  A worker-owned cooperative of taxi drivers who've been driving
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  since 1979.
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  And I just,
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  I really lit up with the ideas because I love to drive anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I love meeting people.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I had absolutely no idea the spiritual nature of what that work
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  SPEAKER_03: is about.
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  SPEAKER_03: It almost became,
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  SPEAKER_03: to me,
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  the difference between me sort of teaching and training and
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  speaking and doing
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  SPEAKER_03: readings,
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  SPEAKER_03: which is a wonderful thing,
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  but it's almost having to take all that and put it to use in
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  the moment when you're
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  SPEAKER_03: not...
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  SPEAKER_03: You can't teach everybody who gets in your cab conflict revolution,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I can...
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  SPEAKER_03: and intentionally exude sort of, you know, in a Christ consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_03: If I'm going to be here, I'm going to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because a lot of the people that we drive are people with disabilities.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is homeless people,
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  SPEAKER_03: people getting out of the emergency room,
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  SPEAKER_03: people getting out of the hospital.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's a real service-oriented piece of it.
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  And I just finished the,
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  whatever,
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  four months of driving and interacting with
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  SPEAKER_03: The most amazing people,
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  SPEAKER_03: just ordinary people and doing my whole like,
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  SPEAKER_03: okay,
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  I'm going to fill myself up with this love and they're going to
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  get in the cab and
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe they don't want to talk,
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  SPEAKER_03: but they're going to feel it and I'll be praying for them.
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  And then there's other people who are so alone that when you
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  just talk about
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  SPEAKER_03: fishing or what did you do?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, how did you get here?
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  SPEAKER_03: And it means so much to them.
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  SPEAKER_03: And these are people I never would have a chance to spend whatever it is,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: 15 minutes to sometimes you're driving them two hours away and interact.
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  And so it's filled up this interesting space of spirituality in
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  my life that I
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  SPEAKER_03: hadn't really anticipated.
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  So I love the mirror in this because my husband currently is a
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  cab driver.
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  really and we have these discussions yes but also I started
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  working on a psychic
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  hotline because I was like I just have all these amazing gifts
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  and yes I have
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  clients but I want to serve more people and how can I do that
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  really quickly surely
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  there's this some job for a psychic so I literally searched
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  psychic jobs as
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  Australia and I ended up working on a psychic hotline and then
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  I was looking at
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  like you can have serious statistics on the dashboard and I was
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  like my goodness I
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  have had 150 calls since I started yes some of them are repeat
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  people some of them
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  come back because they like what we're doing and and the work
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  that we're doing but
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  I was like that is 150 more people potentially I have served
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  than sitting there
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  wondering what to do with my gifts so very similar to how you
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  find yourself in that
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  SPEAKER_02: cab conversation and
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  SPEAKER_02: It can even happen when you go buy coffee.
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  I was picking up takeaway drinks for some friends and I was
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  looking at this lady
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  SPEAKER_02: and I said to her,
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  SPEAKER_02: it was a young,
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  SPEAKER_02: she was I think maybe late teens or early 20s.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, I'm sorry, are you a dancer?
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  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, how did you know that?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I said, I just keep seeing this image of you dancing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, but you're applying for the wrong jobs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, you need to do something different.
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  she goes I just started applying for like Broadway or like
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  musicals I said that
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  pursue that she's like okay and I was like but it doesn't like
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  you said it doesn't
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  have to be this very formal like let's you know booking for a
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  call or like
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  listening to you speak spirituality can happen in everyday
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  moments if you allow
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  that to and if you allow I guess source to flow through you and
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  give you the
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  SPEAKER_02: information you need in that in that moment
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  SPEAKER_03: And like in that example of you with that,
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  SPEAKER_03: it wasn't,
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  SPEAKER_03: hey,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a psychic and I've got information for you.
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  It's just,
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  it's how we seamlessly allow our gifts to be a part of just
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  everyday interactions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  I feel it's such an important contrast because there's such
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  this pool in the
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  spiritual community where just because you have gifts means
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  that you're very,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: a guru or you're very woo or
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  you know even I was on this call the other day and he's like oh
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  yeah we've got this
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  big project but for those who are very well established in a
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  spiritual place it's
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  free but if it's if you're not well established you have to pay
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  this astronomical
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  SPEAKER_02: fee and
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  and I was like shouldn't it be the other way around because the
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  ones who are very
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  established obviously have the income and they've figured out
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  how to magnetize
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  these opportunities and everything but the ones who are trying
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  to get the leg up
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  are the ones that need the support to get there but that's how
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  I felt in that
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  moment and not everyone might see it that way but at the same
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  time I'm like
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: why,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  why can't we just acknowledge everyone for their beautiful
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  gifts or what they have
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  SPEAKER_02: to share in the world or what they need in that moment?
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they need to talk about fishing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they need to listen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's psychic confessions with a cabbie or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  and the ride that I picked up a man at the veterans hospital
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  and we had probably a
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  SPEAKER_03: probably a 45 minute ride out to the country where he lived alone.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like to just let people be the lead.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like if somebody's not talking,
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  SPEAKER_03: I still surround them with the loving energy of me,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I kind of let them lead.
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  We just started chatting and we were once talking about the
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  fishing and he got out
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  SPEAKER_03: and he looked at me and he said,
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  SPEAKER_03: I live alone and I don't ever talk to anyone.
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  SPEAKER_03: And
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  A lot of the cabbies don't want to talk and so you've made my
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  whole entire week and
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  he hobbled into his little house in the middle of nowhere and I
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  thought this is
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  what it's about but you don't have to be see this is I think we
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  agree it's not like
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  we have to be anybody has to be gifted like has to be a podcast
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  host or famous
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  channel it's just something everybody can do every day as a way
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  of life I think
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah and I
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  SPEAKER_02: It was funny what you said, like some people don't want to talk.
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  SPEAKER_02: My husband got this massive tip one day and the guy said,
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  I'm tipping you because you actually didn't speak and I really
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  needed that silence.
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  SPEAKER_03: See, it's like it's not one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  and then this other day another person gave him this massive
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  tip and he tried to
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  SPEAKER_02: give him change.
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  SPEAKER_02: The guy's like, no, no, keep it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, no.
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  This is a lesson for you as well of just saying thank you
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  because that person saw
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  your value and it's so important when you are given that money
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  however it comes for
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  SPEAKER_02: you to actually just be grateful.
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  I said you know that for us is extra grocery money this week
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  let's say thank you for that.
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  you know and be appreciative of that and you know that goes
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  from both ways and you
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  know and he he likes it when people talk especially if it's a
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  long trip you know
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  because he's like keeps you awake it keeps you engaged you know
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  otherwise it gets
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  really really boring but at the same time he can feel when
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  people don't want to
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  talk and he just lets that go too so you know that's just being
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  human like a I feel
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  it's being good human right it's being present with the person
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  and understanding
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  SPEAKER_02: their needs in the moment
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  And in this day and age of so much technology,
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  and I mean,
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  I'm glad we have Zoom.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, I never would have met you without Zoom.
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  But to have,
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  and to have that kind of,
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  I treasure it,
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  that kind of human interactions.
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  SPEAKER_03: And now I find myself,
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  SPEAKER_03: I've just come home,
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  I've just traveled from the South to the North to come home
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  again for the season.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I found myself all along the way, just almost looking for strangers.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_03: you go into a coffee shop or you stop at the gas station,
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  SPEAKER_03: just to be kind to,
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  SPEAKER_03: just to purposefully like want to look at them and go,
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  SPEAKER_03: how are you today?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because so few people do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's free.
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  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't cost me anything.
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  I used to connect with random people on Instagram and actually
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  genuinely take an
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  SPEAKER_02: interest in what they were doing and be curious about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was amazing the different reactions I got.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like some of them would be like, I don't want to buy anything off you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm not selling anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just genuinely like love the work that you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or I'm genuinely curious or...
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  I had this one lady go off at me and she's like why are you
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  asking me these
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  questions and I said well actually I have a podcast and I was
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  considering if you'd
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  be a suitable guest but you already answered my question so I
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  guess not and yeah
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  thank you or I'd have some like just generally appreciate being
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  seen because
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  sometimes you know when you post something and you don't you
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  know you post and you
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  post and you post and you post and you think it's not getting
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  to anybody sometimes
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  SPEAKER_02: it's not
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  Nice to know that the message landed and then the same like
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  being curious about
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  strangers like what does it cost to smile I like smiling at
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  strangers because
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  sometimes you never know that smile might change the trajectory
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  of their day you
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  never know how that will go you don't know and I find more
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  times than not it does
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  that's my informal experience over the past four months it's
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  like when I sincerely
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  can look somebody in the eye with that smile and know that
• 16:00
  makes a difference for
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: people
• 16:02
  100% 100% I guess it's another act of service right this is
• 16:11
  like another form of
• 16:12
  service but on the ground level because so often we just you
• 16:16
  know want to awaken
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: people but sometimes people just need to be met where they're at
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: and allow themselves to be seen in that moment.
• 16:24
  And that can be enough to start awakening or it can be enough
• 16:27
  for them to actually
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: realize,
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: hey,
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: people see me and that's important too.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 16:31
  and there's the other side of the coin that I've been
• 16:34
  experiencing recently is I've
• 16:37
  been working in readings and face-to-face with pretty
• 16:43
  high-level thinkers and
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: healers and practitioners.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a theme that's running through
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: And it's that sometimes people who do this,
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: like you and like I,
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: because we know so much,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: we understand so much,
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: we really do have a capacity to understand how things work,
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: what it means.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a different skill than putting it to work in our lives.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I've come across several
• 17:13
  Situations like this of pretty evolved people kind of suffering
• 17:17
  because they,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: one of the responses is,
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: I do this.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: I meditate.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: I do my yoga.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I do my prayers.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: I, you know, try to do all this stuff.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, that's all well and good.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: But when it comes...
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: To this time,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: when we're really dealing with deep emotion,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: self-doubt,
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: all of that,
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: this is where the rubber meets the road for us,
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 17:45
  is how we put it to use on ourselves and not just walk around
• 17:50
  talking about it and
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: talking,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: showing how much we intellectually understand it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a big difference.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: I've seen people really start to go...
• 18:00
  Okay,
• 18:01
  and be able to make some headway into that personal
• 18:04
  transformation.
• 18:05
  So if anybody out there is going through that,
• 18:10
  it's something to consider.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: The next thing they're trying to shake off.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: The next veil they're trying to shake through.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: What was I going to say with that?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's gone.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's back.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's gone.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's back.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: because I can see timelines and see people's highest timelines.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: I can see my own highest timeline,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: but then I get really impatient because,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: because time isn't linear,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: really,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: but I can see it happening right now,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: but it might be a year from now.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: So then I get really frustrated and I'm like, why isn't this happening?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: And the universe was like, soon, soon it will happen.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: What soon?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Your soon?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Or my soon?
• 18:53
  It was like the previous guest I had just before you,
• 18:55
  we were talking about this.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: She goes, my guides never give me timelines.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: They always say soon.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, so do mine.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: They have a phrase, time is not our forte.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we can tell you some time, but it's probably not going to be right.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: And then they'll tell us something, but they've...
• 19:12
  I have to like working on the psychic hotline I have to give
• 19:15
  the preface because
• 19:16
  people want timelines they want to be able to control it and
• 19:19
  they want to know this
• 19:21
  is when the outcome is going to happen and this is when it's
• 19:23
  going to be and but
• 19:25
  what I ended up starting to do was saying okay I can't give you
• 19:30
  an exact timeline
• 19:31
  because if I do do that then if it happens faster you've missed
• 19:35
  it if it happens
• 19:36
  slower you've missed it and if you're aiming and making your
• 19:39
  whole thing like okay
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: they're going to show up
• 19:40
  in a month my dream person's going to show up in a month you
• 19:43
  might just miss them
• 19:44
  because you're too focused on this date and you miss the
• 19:47
  outcome and so what I
• 19:49
  started asking for instead was can you give me a percentage of
• 19:52
  around the date so
• 19:54
  like they'll say okay there's a 90% chance that it will be
• 19:57
  within a month so then
• 19:59
  they're not absoluting it and they don't get fixated on it
• 20:03
  because this is what you
• 20:04
  know we try and explain that we all have free will we all have
• 20:08
  this ability to
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: shift our reality to shift
• 20:11
  Timelines at any point you make a choice you're making a shift
• 20:14
  right so then if
• 20:16
  you're asking with a relationship on the other side of that
• 20:19
  well or a career or
• 20:21
  something like that there are other people involved you know
• 20:24
  there's like you know
• 20:26
  it might be a hundred working pieces just so you can get that
• 20:29
  position or just so
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: that you can meet Mr.
• 20:31
  Right in that exact moment you know or whatever it might be so
• 20:35
  when you ask for a
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: timeline it's very constrictive and you're you're almost
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: putting a timeline on yourself and conditioning the universe.
• 20:43
  Like,
• 20:43
  okay,
• 20:43
  well,
• 20:43
  if it's not in this month,
• 20:44
  then it's just not going to happen.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Which affects the manifestation.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: People don't.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I have a story about it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was, I remember the date of the channel.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: It was August 16th, 1994.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: It was me and Kim and Teresa, the psychic sorority.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: We had been working together on this incredible stuff.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: And we did a reading.
• 21:10
  And they said,
• 21:11
  and we quoted it for years,
• 21:13
  and it was odd because time is not our forte.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: They said, something big is about to happen.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: If we had to pick a date, we'd say September 19th.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: So this was August 16th.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so...
• 21:25
  and it we we had just it was like nine months of work together
• 21:30
  we'd been only
• 21:30
  working together for nine months and okay that must mean we're
• 21:34
  going to be on Oprah
• 21:36
  next month and every year September 19th would come around and
• 21:39
  we'd call each other
• 21:40
  up if we had to pick a date and nothing happened until 2001 and
• 21:46
  it was 9-11 they
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: said September you know
• 21:50
  September 19th and they've always said time was not our forte
• 21:53
  so that was something
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: super big and I thought wow see it took from 1994 to 2001 for this one
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Timeline to take place.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: But no, that wasn't it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: It was in 2007 when,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: long story short,
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was invited to speak at this conference in Taos,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: New Mexico with the Crimson Circle called Quantum Leap.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was the biggest.
• 22:20
  I was going to be channeling Einstein live internationally to
• 22:25
  maybe a quarter of a
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: million people.
• 22:28
  And I got there and I was looking at I was sitting slurping my
• 22:32
  martini looking at the program.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I thought it started on September 18th.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: So that's what I had in my mind.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: I was scheduled for the 19th.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: So when you,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: you can give it up or you can keep,
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: just keep it alive until it could be decades.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Could be decades.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel this is the thing.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I've learned too,
• 22:54
  like when we start to condition how our life should show up or
• 22:58
  how spirit should
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: show up for us,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: we won't get that.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, we
• 23:02
  we shut it down no we shut it down or um when we get time
• 23:07
  frames when they don't
• 23:08
  happen then we get disappointed and we lose hope or you know or
• 23:12
  it might be a
• 23:12
  little bit different or whatever it might be at one point um I
• 23:17
  started to get I was
• 23:18
  walking just walking around my local town and I walked past
• 23:22
  this person they're
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: like six months to live I'm like
• 23:27
  what was that and then I walked past another person two years
• 23:30
  and then I started
• 23:31
  getting them from my family and I'm like what is happening here
• 23:34
  and I got one from
• 23:34
  my grandmother and it was she's not going to make it like she's
• 23:38
  going to die soon
• 23:38
  they originally said it was before the end of the year so we
• 23:42
  got past the end of
• 23:43
  the year and I thought okay something shifted and my husband's
• 23:45
  like oh see you know
• 23:46
  it didn't happen two months later she did die she was brought
• 23:50
  back to life like she
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: full-on coded left this world came back to life and I was like
• 23:56
  she did die then my husband's like but the time wasn't right I
• 23:59
  said no but they
• 24:00
  gave me the timeline to prepare me for when it did come because
• 24:04
  sometimes we can't
• 24:05
  get fixated on the information but it's more just so your soul
• 24:09
  can get ready for it
• 24:10
  to come through but then then it stopped after that I didn't
• 24:14
  get getting timelines
• 24:15
  for people so sometimes we hear it early to prepare us but like
• 24:18
  you said decades
• 24:19
  ahead like you just kind of forget about it by then it's not
• 24:22
  gonna happen and then
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: when it comes about and I think like with your
• 24:26
  Grandmother I think that would have been too much of an onus if
• 24:29
  you had said you
• 24:30
  know and then she died on like 31st or you know what I mean
• 24:33
  it's like it would be
• 24:35
  just too much for you to have to bear like you said it prepared
• 24:39
  you for yeah the
• 24:41
  the craziest one I have that happened was I had this very
• 24:44
  prophetic dream and it my
• 24:46
  my normal was very unwell at the time as well and he came
• 24:49
  forward so normal was
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: Italian for grandfather and he came forward in this dream and
• 24:54
  he was for some reason we were at my great-grandmother's house
• 24:57
  which was on the
• 24:57
  other side of the family I don't know that's just where we were
• 25:00
  and then he said I
• 25:01
  want to go to the park I want to go sit on the bench and I was
• 25:04
  like oh okay well
• 25:04
  I'll start walking you up and my dad's like okay I'll look up
• 25:07
  the house and I said
• 25:08
  well my car's closed I'll take him to my car and then we'll
• 25:11
  drive anyway on the way
• 25:12
  to my car he collapsed and my dad ran up and I he go and I knew
• 25:16
  he was gone like I
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: just knew he was leaving the angel showed up
• 25:21
  my nonna showed up my grandmother you know everyone was there
• 25:24
  ready to take him and
• 25:26
  I went into this automatic process in my dream of releasing his
• 25:29
  soul this shamanic
• 25:30
  ritual just automatically went into it knew how to do it I
• 25:33
  never heard about it
• 25:33
  before never knew it just knew what to do and my dad's like
• 25:37
  I'll call an ambulance
• 25:38
  I said you can I said but you need to say goodbye like he's
• 25:40
  he's going you know and
• 25:42
  so I released it and then the ambulance arrived in like time of
• 25:45
  death whatever time
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: it was and I woke up and that was the time on my clock
• 25:50
  And then my guides went,
• 25:52
  if it happens,
• 25:53
  you're going to get a phone call before 8 o'clock.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: But they didn't specify the morning or the evening.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was like...
• 25:58
  Okay so like I'm there and it goes eight o'clock in the morning
• 26:02
  and then it went
• 26:03
  through and then like my husband's like just call your your dad
• 26:07
  and see what's
• 26:07
  going on and what had come through after that dream was I got a
• 26:11
  message from my dad
• 26:12
  and my uncle and I wrote it down and I just left it because it
• 26:15
  was from my
• 26:16
  grandfather and then my dad said no no he's the healthiest he's
• 26:19
  ever been today
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: he's the happiest and healthiest he's ever been and
• 26:23
  and I was like my goodness but fast forward it was a year about
• 26:28
  a year and a half
• 26:29
  later maybe a little bit maybe I don't know something like that
• 26:32
  a year later it was
• 26:34
  six o'clock in the morning and my mum rings you know your
• 26:36
  grandfather's passed away
• 26:38
  but I knew the week before because I'd just seen my dad and he
• 26:41
  was really unwell
• 26:42
  and I'm like this is it this is the end but I'd seen him in
• 26:44
  between that and
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: actually physically
• 26:46
  done it and it turned out the week after I had this dream I
• 26:50
  picked up this book
• 26:51
  called Shaman Healer Sage and in the back of it was the process
• 26:55
  of how to release a
• 26:56
  soul when someone's about to leave this plane and allow the
• 26:59
  soul to leave easier so
• 27:01
  I had to do that in my dream so he could pass the messages on
• 27:04
  but then I also did
• 27:05
  it in real life so that his soul could just move on like a lot
• 27:10
  easier but I
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Again, timelines, right?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: But the time thing, that freaked me out.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: That absolutely freaked me out.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: I bet.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 27:22
  that's so beautiful though that's so beautiful yeah but again
• 27:27
  didn't put a time
• 27:28
  frame on it just knew it was there kept those messages from my
• 27:31
  dad and my uncle and
• 27:32
  then the day he passed I knew it was time to give that to my
• 27:34
  dad and my uncle and I
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: did yeah definitely and I've been doing some sort of extra extra
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: curricular communication with,
• 27:45
  there was a young man in the United States named Charlie Kirk
• 27:48
  who was murdered.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: He was assassinated.
• 27:52
  And he came to me right after he passed and wanted me to get a
• 27:56
  message to someone
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: famous who he loved and was with.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, no, let's wait.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Get me in front of her.
• 28:05
  is usually what I say when somebody says,
• 28:07
  I need to get a message to someone.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, get me in front of her or get me a way to contact.
• 28:14
  And so for all the winter,
• 28:16
  and she's doing this quite a public investigation into his
• 28:19
  murder.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just been fantastic.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's fascinating to wait and then see as talk about a timeline,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: the timeline of what she's discovering through all of this.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so finally in March,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: I said,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: OK,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'll sit down and do a session with you if you want,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: and we'll see what you have to say and how I could get it to her.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not a famous person.
• 28:42
  And he was very reluctant to let speak through me like Einstein
• 28:47
  does and others.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I did a
• 28:50
  you know Charlie says this Charlie says that and maybe about a
• 28:53
  week and a half
• 28:54
  later he came and he said I'm really ready now and so he came
• 28:57
  he called it
• 28:58
  inhabitation I'm ready to inhabit you like okay and I still
• 29:03
  have been sitting with
• 29:04
  it because I don't know why I just feel like it's such a big
• 29:08
  thing and well I
• 29:11
  should just say I'm being intuitively guided so there's no rush
• 29:15
  to try to force it
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: or get it but I'm about to do a third
• 29:20
  And I think that one's going to be the one that is articulate
• 29:24
  to the point where I
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: feel like,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: okay,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: this is what you will hear and you will know.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: You'll know not because I'm telling you it's true or it's him.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: You'll know it's him.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, how does this happen?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 29:47
  what I'm getting for you is that the invitation to share the
• 29:50
  information hasn't
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: come forward and you're not going to push it on people,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's people...
• 29:55
  can choose to have it or not you know this is the this is the
• 29:59
  thing when we're
• 30:00
  psychic mediums to a capacity but it's like people can have the
• 30:03
  information or they
• 30:04
  don't want it they can have it or leave it you know and
• 30:07
  sometimes people will say
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: no and then you're like okay great my contract's done they don't want the
• 30:11
  information I'm not going to pass it on and I guess the other
• 30:14
  flip side of that is
• 30:15
  there's also that intuitive part of you it's like I need more
• 30:19
  you know like you
• 30:19
  can't just you know because there's so many false energies that
• 30:23
  come forward too
• 30:24
  and it's like we need better proof of this is actually you or
• 30:29
  this is what's really
• 30:30
  coming through and for anyone listening to this you'd be
• 30:33
  surprised how many fake
• 30:35
  people show up or how many fake spirits show up or fake
• 30:39
  entities or fake galactics
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: or whatever you want to put in there but it's amazing how much it can be
• 30:47
  misconstrued and why we are really careful sharing big messages
• 30:51
  because we want to
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: make sure 100% it's true
• 30:54
  Yeah,
• 30:54
  and that the truth will survive the skepticism,
• 30:59
  which I think is basically what it is.
• 31:01
  I know of myself through my career of channeling some pretty
• 31:06
  prestigious people has
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: always been skepticism.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when Einstein showed up, it was like, really?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: Albert Einstein?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: And this is what you're saying as a unified field,
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: but the truth survives skepticism,
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: which is why skepticism is,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: a very good tool.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: And so thank you for reminding me that this skepticism is on my part too.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, Charlie, is it?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: Is it Charlie?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: But what started to happen was every time he would come and say,
• 31:35
  She started to share on her podcast,
• 31:37
  and she's a Catholic,
• 31:38
  but she's a Catholic.
• 31:50
  she's not a spiritual like us she's very Catholic but she has
• 31:55
  dreams she and he had
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  dreams so there's a whole other side of it and she started to
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  share that side of
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  SPEAKER_03: herself and now by the time um
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  I was listening just the other day and she was sharing a lot of
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  stories about
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  SPEAKER_03: Charlie that he had said in the channeling.
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  SPEAKER_03: The stuff that had come out in the channeling.
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  So I feel like there's some sort of cooperative messaging going
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  on between life and
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  SPEAKER_03: afterlife here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  and I guess because our dreams are our easiest way for people
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  to access us
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  SPEAKER_02: unconscious as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is why dreams are so important.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I said with my nono, but also now happening this parallel like
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I was channeling through.
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  SPEAKER_02: Great.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's what I needed to hear.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was like a watch this space thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm just getting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Watch this space.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as we start to finish our time...
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  SPEAKER_02: It would be everything we're talking about today.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would inspire people to turn inward and to know that.
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  SPEAKER_03: That they have that power to do these things, that it's God-given.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's our God-given gift.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I think when people start to give,
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  SPEAKER_03: not just want to receive,
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  SPEAKER_03: but see that flow,
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  SPEAKER_03: sort of like your husband,
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  SPEAKER_03: take the tip.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a flow, you know?
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  SPEAKER_03: And when people understand that their giving is part of their receiving,
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  SPEAKER_03: I think today that's kind of what I would change.
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  SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if people want to come and have a reading with you, Barbara, or
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  SPEAKER_02: Follow Your Work, where's the best place they can go?
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  You can go to barbarawith.com and I think because I've been so
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  busy as a taxi
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  SPEAKER_03: driver,
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  SPEAKER_03: I think I still have my holiday special up.
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  SPEAKER_03: So 40% off a reading.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'll put those details in the notes for everyone listening.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if this episode caused you to think about, hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: How do I want to show up differently in the world?
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  Or if you are spiritual or have gifts,
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  how can I share these differently in the world?
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  SPEAKER_02: I would love to hear.
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  SPEAKER_02: Feel free to comment,
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  this episode.
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  And Barbara,
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  thank you again for being on the show and coming back again to
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  be on the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: Truly appreciate you as a human.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Catherine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right back at you.
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