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The Mystery of Mary Magdalene · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and SMITHA.
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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I ever told your prediction of iHeartRadio. And as we
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Speaker 1: record this episode, it is April ninth, twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: and we are coming off Easter weekend, and due to
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Speaker 1: a lot of world events and personal events, we're still
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Speaker 1: scrambling a bit. So today I thought we would do
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Speaker 1: an overview of a controversial figure from the Bible, Mary Magdalene.
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Speaker 1: This was a suggestion from a friend of mine because
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Speaker 1: she was lamenting about the very specific Catholic version of
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Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene's story that she got and how she's like
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Speaker 1: realizing that might not be the case. I have to
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Speaker 1: say I did. I was religious up until seventh grade.
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Speaker 1: I read the Bible a lot of times. I don't
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Speaker 1: remember Mary Magdalen at all, but I did read the
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Speaker 1: Divin Code, which is the first time I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I had not heard of this person. And I know,
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Speaker 1: I know some of you were like gritting your teeth
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Speaker 1: at that, but that is the first time I remember
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Speaker 1: reading about Mary Magdalene. However, if you don't know the
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Speaker 1: plot twists in that book movie, it's that Jesus bloodline
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Speaker 1: lives on through his relations with Mary Magdalene, who may
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Speaker 1: have been a sex worker and or his wife. I
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Speaker 1: think in the book it was his wife, but it
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Speaker 1: has been a minute since I have consumed that media.
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Speaker 2: But whoa.
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Speaker 1: My Christian friends did not like when I would bring
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Speaker 1: it up. They were always like, you know, that's fiction, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: got it? Anyway, So math that I wanted to ask
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Speaker 1: about your experience with Mary Magdalene.
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Speaker 3: Well, I hate it a minute, but I probably would
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Speaker 3: have been that Christian friend of Melake. You understand that
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Speaker 3: that really really bastardized this idea in a way that
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Speaker 3: I would have been upset to. Uh. Yes, I did
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Speaker 3: know quite a bit about Mary Magdalene. Any female character
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Speaker 3: that was of any importance in the Bible was very
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Speaker 3: memorable for me. Mary Magdalen happened to be this like
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Speaker 3: the bar when it came to being the most filthy
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Speaker 3: or most unworthy according to the Gospels, because not only
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Speaker 3: was she a woman, but yes, she was known as
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Speaker 3: it was implied that she was impure. So whether it
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Speaker 3: was because like there were so many implications of whether
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Speaker 3: or not it was her fault that she was impure,
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Speaker 3: as in like she was a sex worker, because that
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Speaker 3: kind of was the implication, or if she had been
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Speaker 3: cast aside because she had gotten divorced, and or and
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Speaker 3: so it was no longer pure in that light, whatever
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Speaker 3: may have been sex was implicated. Her sexualization was implicated
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Speaker 3: as a part of her character. And if we know
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Speaker 3: anything about how Christians, specifically Western Christians feel about sex
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Speaker 3: and women, that is the dirtiest of the dirty.
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Speaker 2: So you can go from that. But her main.
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Speaker 3: Fame in the Bible is her wiping of his foot,
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Speaker 3: Jesus's feet, washing his feet and then wiping it with
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Speaker 3: her hair, which was also symbol of being the most adorned,
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Speaker 3: like most thing of value on her, which was her
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Speaker 3: long flowing hair.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, I do know quite a bit about her.
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Speaker 2: She does.
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Speaker 3: She is pretty significant from my upbringing because of these conversations.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, the interesting thing we're going to get into
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Speaker 1: a lot of this, a lot of the stuff you
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Speaker 1: brought brought up. But WHOA, There's been a lot of
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Speaker 1: effort to paint her in a certain way. She has
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Speaker 1: featured in several movies and miniseries, many of which have
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Speaker 1: drawn boycotts and backlash, including being featured in Jesus Christ Superstar,
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Speaker 1: where she sings I don't know how to love him.
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Speaker 1: He's just a man, and I've had so many men before.
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Speaker 1: I want him, so I love him so all right,
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Speaker 1: All of that being said, Since her debut two thousand
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Speaker 1: years ago, Mary Magdalene has been someone who, yes, has
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Speaker 1: been painted in a variety of different lights, many of
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Speaker 1: them negative at least in the perspective of those describing her,
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Speaker 1: and malded to serve those in power and the narratives
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Speaker 1: that they were trying to enforce. For instance, Pope Gregory
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Speaker 1: the First declared she was a sinful woman and a
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Speaker 1: prostitute in five ninety one CE, despite having no evidence
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Speaker 1: to back up these claims. He said, quote, she whom
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Speaker 1: Luke calls the sin woman, whom John calls Mary, we
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Speaker 1: believe to be the Mary from whom seven devils were ejected,
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Speaker 1: according to Mark. And what did these seven devils signify,
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Speaker 1: if not all the vices? It is clear, brothers, that
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Speaker 1: the woman previously used the unjuant to perfume her flesh
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Speaker 1: and forbidden acts. What she therefore displayed more scandalously, she
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Speaker 1: was now offering to God in a more praiseworthy manner.
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Speaker 1: She had coveted with earthly eyes but now through penitence,
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Speaker 1: these are consumed with tears. She displayed her hair to
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Speaker 1: set off her face, but now her hair dries her tears.
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Speaker 1: She had spoken proud things with her mouth, but in
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Speaker 1: kissing the Lord's feet, she now planted her mouth on
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Speaker 1: the Redeemer's feet. For every delight therefore she had in herself,
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Speaker 1: she now immolated herself. She turned the mass of her
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Speaker 1: crimes to virtues in order to serve God entirely in penance.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to break this down. This was a
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Speaker 1: pretty big deal in how people viewed Mary Magdalene. But
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Speaker 1: notice how he is sexualizing her, specifically for men. How
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Speaker 1: he says, like, listen, brothers, look what she's doing. A
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Speaker 1: lot of early Western Christian artwork depicts her naked and
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Speaker 1: sexualized way as well. But of note, not all sects
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Speaker 1: of Christianity excepted this view, and some Eastern Orthodox religions
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Speaker 1: continued to hold her in very high regard. This is
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Speaker 1: also around the time that the Selected Canon I as
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Speaker 1: New Testament was being popularized, and it was also around
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Speaker 1: the same time that the Church shifted against not only
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Speaker 1: Judaism but also women, a shift that would grow over
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Speaker 1: the centuries and become when it comes to women, largely sexual.
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Speaker 1: But we'll talk about this more in a second, but
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Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene is believed to be Jewish. Throughout history, the
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Speaker 1: way Mary has been interpreted, often determined by those in
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Speaker 1: power and popular narratives, has shifted drastically from the symbol
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Speaker 1: of devotion, to prostitute, to none to mystic, a feminist,
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Speaker 1: a matriarch. As far back as the third century CE,
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Speaker 1: there was a concerted effort to discredit her via her
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Speaker 1: sexuality and womanhood, the sinful temptation, and using their depiction
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Speaker 1: of her to disempower women at large. Almost all of
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Speaker 1: this was spearheaded by men. They wanted to keep women
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Speaker 1: from positions of power, and Mary was a woman who
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Speaker 1: seemingly had power and was a confidant to Jesus, whoa
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Speaker 1: but yeah, let's look at what actually is in the Bible.
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Speaker 1: Mary Magdalen was a woman from a town in Galilee
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Speaker 1: named Magdala, where fishing was the primary livelihood. She went
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Speaker 1: on to become a disciple of Jesus and was the
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Speaker 1: first person to observe his resurrection after staying by the cross.
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Speaker 1: When Jesus was crucified, his disciples hit as I said,
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Speaker 1: she is allegedly of Jewish descent and Jewish women often
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Speaker 1: prepared corpses at the time. She was the first person
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Speaker 1: to alert the others to the news of this resurrection.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, she was the only one who didn't kind
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Speaker 1: of flee after his death. She was one of the
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Speaker 1: most prominent apostles, though she is not recognized as one.
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Speaker 1: Here's a passage from Luke quote. Now, after this, Jesus
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Speaker 1: made his way through towns and villages, preaching and proclaiming
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Speaker 1: the good news of the Kingdom of God. With him
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Speaker 1: went the Twelve, as well as certain women who had
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Speaker 1: been cured of evil spirits and ailments. Mary surnamed the
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Speaker 1: Magdalen from whom seven demons had gone out, Joanna, the
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Speaker 1: wife of Herod Stewards, Choosa, Susannah, and several others who
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Speaker 1: provided for them out of their own resources. So these
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Speaker 1: women were cured of something and now were respectful enough
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Speaker 1: to take care of Jesus. And this is where a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff gets confused. Previous passage, like the passage
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Speaker 1: right before, described a woman with a bad name washing Jesus'
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Speaker 1: feet and being forgiven by him, and as often conflated
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Speaker 1: with Mary Magdalene, but those studying this do not think
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Speaker 1: they are the same person. Matthew's account of the same
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Speaker 1: thing is different and instead tells of a woman preparing
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Speaker 1: Jesus's body for death. This is the problem with historical
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Speaker 1: distortion and oral tradition in the Bible. Some passages claim
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Speaker 1: that the woman was having visions of Jesus' death, visions
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Speaker 1: the Disciples refused to acknowledge, while other versions use Mary's name,
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Speaker 1: making a whole confusing mess. The woman with a bad
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Speaker 1: Name's transgressions are depicted differently depending on what you're reading too,
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Speaker 1: from sexual to being greedy. Of note, many Christians in
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Speaker 1: the early days were not literate and depended on oral
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Speaker 1: tellings that could be warped and shaped, and there were
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Speaker 1: also a lot of Mary's in the Bible, which helped
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Speaker 1: add to the confusion.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because I honestly was thinking about Mary the sister
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Speaker 3: of Martha too.
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Speaker 2: I was like, wait, yes, she came up.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yes, she came up in all of this as well.
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Speaker 1: There is a debate surrounding whether or not Mary Magdalene
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Speaker 1: is the person to the right of Jesus in the
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Speaker 1: infamous the Last Supper mural by Leonardo da Vinci. There's
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Speaker 1: also debate of if that is her, what does her
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Speaker 1: position at Jesus's right hand side mean. Does that mean
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Speaker 1: she was his wife? Does that mean she was his confidant,
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Speaker 1: more trusted, more valued than his twelve male apostles. Some
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Speaker 1: historians have emphasized that to understand Mary Magdalene, we have
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Speaker 1: to look at other women in the Bible, particularly those
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Speaker 1: occupying a sexual space. Also, she was an unmarried woman.
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Speaker 1: In fifteen eighteen, a French humanist challenged the Western Christian
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Speaker 1: interpretation of Mary, arguing that she had been mixed up
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Speaker 1: with other women in the Bible. He eventually was formally
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Speaker 1: condemned by French theologians. And yeah, there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of reasons she's controversial. One is she's a woman in
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Speaker 1: a religious text that seemingly had some type of influence.
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Speaker 1: It kind of seems reading about this that people were
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Speaker 1: trying to put her in a very romantic or sexual
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Speaker 1: role to explain her presence other than she just understood
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Speaker 1: Jesus and his teachings more than male disciples like that.
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Speaker 1: That can't be the case. It has to be this
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Speaker 1: or this. Some claim that even her relationship with Jesus,
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Speaker 1: if it wasn't sexual or necessarily romantic, there were some
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Speaker 1: physical aspects to it, like kissing that got distorted over time. Again,
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Speaker 1: kissing hasn't always been romantic and.
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Speaker 2: Still right literally, Judas kisses Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Right like come on. Jesus was often set apart from
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Speaker 1: other male leaders because he did exhibit behaviors of respect
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Speaker 1: towards women, including women with sexual histories. Mary's ideas were
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Speaker 1: also somewhat dangerous to traditional conservative beliefs, so they wanted
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Speaker 1: to discredit her and suppress her message that favor the
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Speaker 1: personal over church bureaucracy, and they reduced her from a
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Speaker 1: spiritual confident of Jesus to an Eurotic repetent sex worker.
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Speaker 1: There are even more elaborate tellings of her story, weaving
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Speaker 1: all of these women together into Mary's story. So, for instance,
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Speaker 1: an example of one of these is she marries John,
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Speaker 1: who soon leaves her, and then she turns to sex
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Speaker 1: work and becomes an adulteress and eventually found herself at
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Speaker 1: Jesus's feet. He did not condemn her, and she saw
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Speaker 1: the light, so to speak, and she applied ointment to
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Speaker 1: his feet while weeping. But a lot of these stories
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Speaker 1: got a lot of traction, So again going back to that,
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Speaker 1: maybe people weren't literate and they were just hearing this orally.
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Speaker 1: A lot of those stories sort of became what you
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Speaker 1: thought was in the Bible, and a lot of stuff
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Speaker 1: from this time. I know it was a pretty popular
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Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was
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Speaker 1: a satirical work from I think like the thirteenth century.
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Speaker 1: But it people thought it was not satirical and it
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Speaker 1: became like a story. People were like, no, that's what
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Speaker 1: happened in the Bible, and it's like, nope, that was satire.
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Speaker 1: So I think there was a lot of that going
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Speaker 1: on as well. In the nineteenth century, historians discovered a
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Speaker 1: document now known as the Gospel of Mary. It was
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Speaker 1: for sale at an auction in Cairo. Other fragments were
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Speaker 1: found over time. It dates back to the second century,
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Speaker 1: though some argue that it does in fact run alongside
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Speaker 1: Jesus's life, since it was a recounting of past events,
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Speaker 1: which itself introduces a whole can of worms. The document
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Speaker 1: focuses on Mary and how she is the one disciple
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Speaker 1: that understands Jesus on a spiritual level. And how directly
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Speaker 1: pits her against some of the other disciples, perhaps Peter,
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Speaker 1: especially after Mary describes a vision she had after Jesus's
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Speaker 1: death to the disciples, Peter is pretty much like, sure
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Speaker 1: a woman would get a vision from Jesus. I don't
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Speaker 1: think so. So here's a quote. Did Jesus choose her
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Speaker 1: over us? This draws a sharp buke from another apostle, Levi,
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Speaker 1: who says, if the Savior made her worthy, who are
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Speaker 1: you then for your part to reject her? In this document,
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Speaker 1: she is also the only one to suggest they shared
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Speaker 1: Jesus's teachings. The rest are afraid that they'd be killed
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Speaker 1: like he was. It is not officially recognized as gospel
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Speaker 1: by the church these days. Mary is often used as
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Speaker 1: the reason why the Capital c Church should allow for
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Speaker 1: women priests, and in nineteen sixty nine, the Catholic Church
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Speaker 1: admitted that they were mistaken in their description of Mary
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Speaker 1: as a sex worker.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know they came out and said.
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Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, but it's still you know, like there's
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Speaker 1: so much different interpretations and people trying to untangle all
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Speaker 1: of this even to this day. And my friend when
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Speaker 1: she suggested this, she like, she said, to me, I
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Speaker 1: had no idea there was any other interpretation. This is
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Speaker 1: what I have been told. So she wanted to learn
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Speaker 1: more about her. And I find that really fascinating because
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Speaker 1: it is still a controversial topic. It is still something
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Speaker 1: that people are arguing about and trying to interpret or
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Speaker 1: use and however they think will be the most beneficial
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Speaker 1: for their beliefs. When I was reading about this, I
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Speaker 1: did find a lot of articles about the role of
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Speaker 1: women in churches, women as priests, altered girls, women in
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Speaker 1: any role. Still controversial, right.
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Speaker 3: But it also is a book of Deborah, and they
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Speaker 3: also took that out, and she was the only noted
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Speaker 3: prophetess in the Old Testament.
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Speaker 2: She was the one that went.
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Speaker 3: Into battle more often than not, like she was a
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Speaker 3: bad individual. I think this is the beginning of my
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Speaker 3: awakening of like something's wrong here. Honestly, Deborah was the one.
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Speaker 3: And then seeing the Book of Esther was about submitting
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Speaker 3: to Man, and I was like, that's really interesting that
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Speaker 3: the books where they're kind of the leaders we pull out.
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Speaker 3: But as long as they're like, but I'm submitting to Man,
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Speaker 3: i am following my father in law, or I'm doing
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Speaker 3: these things, then it'll be kept in there. Then I'm like,
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Speaker 3: there seems something very misogynistic about this, the.
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Speaker 2: Layout of this.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I purposely use the term selecting earlier
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Speaker 1: when I was saying what they put into the New Testament,
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Speaker 1: they were selecting and the old and the old, Well
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Speaker 1: you should we should come back and do Deborah. I
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Speaker 1: don't know much about her.
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Speaker 2: She necesassinated. I guess it's not really a great thing,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I would like to learn more. She knives
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Speaker 2: some people, according to next Just okay.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready, I'm ready to learn. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: just this whole idea of this historical leaving women out
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Speaker 1: of the story of the Bible if they weren't submissive,
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Speaker 1: and how we're still seeing that in how women can
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Speaker 1: participate in church, and just kind of attitudes around women.
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Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen, Pope Francis, who was
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Speaker 1: viewed as a relatively progressive pope, declared the door to
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Speaker 1: ordaining female priest was closed. In twenty fifteen, the Synod
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Speaker 1: of the Family, and I didn't know what a synod was,
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Speaker 1: but it's basically a council, had only thirty women in
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Speaker 1: attendance out of the three hundred and sixty in total,
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Speaker 1: and the women were not allowed to vote, and some
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Speaker 1: of them spoke out about how their voices are unheard
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Speaker 1: on issues like contraception and reproductive rights. Some of them
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Speaker 1: were saying like, we're all on it, but you're not.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about it, you're not asking us, kind
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Speaker 1: of ignoring this whole thing, and essentially kind of this
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Speaker 1: idea that women can never be on the same level
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Speaker 1: as men. You could never receive the Holy message. Jesus
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Speaker 1: never could have trusted a woman as much as or
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Speaker 1: more than a man. So if Mary Magdalen was somebody
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Speaker 1: he turned to, that is a very dangerous idea for
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Speaker 1: this kind of control. And then of course the whole
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Speaker 1: women are the source of sin thing, right, Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: Madonna versus the horror thing. I find it interesting that
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Speaker 1: she's both been painted in the past as the sex worker,
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Speaker 1: but also in some cases this is a nun are
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Speaker 1: very like a very bias person. Yes, yes, and we
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Speaker 1: talked about that, you know, with even how traumatic that
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Speaker 1: can be when you're a young girl, especially in Bible school,
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Speaker 1: and they're kind of telling you like, this is women's fault,
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Speaker 1: look what you've done, and a lot of this is
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Speaker 1: as the quotes attest painted as very much, well, Jesus
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Speaker 1: is so forgiving for her sins, and then like stereotypes
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Speaker 1: of what women are, what women can do, women's proper roles.
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Speaker 1: If she is this person that was somebody who was
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Speaker 1: like spiritually on, someone Jesus could talk to, if she's
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Speaker 1: this person who's the one that stayed at the cross,
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Speaker 1: then that transgresses those kind of roles of what she
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Speaker 1: should be doing and where she should be. She can
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Speaker 1: be the Madonna of the horror. And that's where you know.
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Speaker 3: So I guess she is often confused with Martha and
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Speaker 3: Mary in generous because I know, like the story of
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Speaker 3: Mary and Martha is the story in which Mary sits
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Speaker 3: at his feet to listen while Martha goes and prepares
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Speaker 3: the dinner and does everything. Then complains to Jesus that
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Speaker 3: Mary's not doing anything, tell her to help me, in
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Speaker 3: which Jesus says, no, she's doing what is the best
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Speaker 3: thing to do, which is to sit and listen to me.
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Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, okay, that's what I remember of
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Speaker 3: Mary and Martha. Also they helped wash his body that
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Speaker 3: I remember.
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Speaker 1: Do yes, yes, like I said, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: Mary's and apparently I think there's three mother obviously the
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Speaker 1: big one, yes, but yeah, there's three specific women that
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Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene often gets mixed up with, and she's one Mary. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: as always. I feel like when we're talking about Western Christianity,
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Speaker 1: the sexuality and virginity big thing, when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: the Madonna and the horror thing. But just how the
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Speaker 1: church used that to discredit her. Try that's what they
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Speaker 1: tried to do, or kind of make a joke out
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Speaker 1: of her. I feel like that quote from Pope Pope
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Speaker 1: Gregory was very like elbow in the side.
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Speaker 3: Like that, because what I was reading about her, Saint
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Speaker 3: patron Saint. One of the things that is titled to
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Speaker 3: her is Apostle to the Apostles, which kids called a leadership.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. That's what my friend was saying, Like,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe I've never even heard that there's a
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Speaker 1: possibility she was not only like an equal but above
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Speaker 1: the twelve.
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Speaker 2: That would imply that she is. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Interesting, yeah, but yet still they were like, nah, she's
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Speaker 3: not worthy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, let's not talk about her. In fact, she's
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Speaker 1: a sex worker with which in our mind is the worst.
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Speaker 2: Thing you could write.
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Speaker 3: Interestingly, though, when I was growing up with learning more
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Speaker 3: about the Bible in her specifically, I honestly thought, because
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Speaker 3: we knew based on old Testament ideas that if you
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Speaker 3: are raped, that the woman is no longer of value
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Speaker 3: and it was on her as being dirty and the
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Speaker 3: only way that could be rectified is that if the
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Speaker 3: person who raped her would marry them and claimed them essentially,
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Speaker 3: So in my mind I thought partially that might have
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Speaker 3: been her a burden was that she had been because
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Speaker 3: she was also not a like a worthy family, so
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Speaker 3: therefore they couldn't because Dowwy's and all that was all
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Speaker 3: set up and doing that time as well. So if
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Speaker 3: she was not worth that in itself, that made her unclean.
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Speaker 3: So all these things I never really understood that sex
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Speaker 3: work was not really implied till later, maybe because I was.
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Speaker 2: The children's version. Yeah, but growing up.
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Speaker 3: Understanding how women were treated in those terms literally like
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Speaker 3: kings can rape women and they have no longer value
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Speaker 3: and are to be cast out of society. Essentially, I
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Speaker 3: say that in that way, but even if it's not
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Speaker 3: on them, it's such a like obviously big injustice in
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Speaker 3: any way. But like knowing that as a kid, I
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Speaker 3: was like, that doesn't what makes that them dirty?
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Speaker 2: How does that make? Like there's so many levels.
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Speaker 3: But in my mind that could have been what Mary
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Speaker 3: Magdalen's mirror problem was that also that she could have
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Speaker 3: just been a really beautiful woman.
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Speaker 2: There was four yes, and that made her dirty somehow?
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely, And there are many interpretations that would
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Speaker 1: agree with like every version of what you said. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I know people like to hang on to the because
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Speaker 1: it's like the seven. It doesn't say seven deadly sins,
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Speaker 1: but it's seven demons.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember that part at all.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was not a part of
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Speaker 3: my teachings, and that's more of a Catholic teaching, yeah,
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Speaker 3: because I do not remember her having any demons at all.
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing though, is they're not sure
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Speaker 1: if it's her, but it's often attributed to her.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I know there is a story, yeah, of people
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Speaker 3: being possessed in Jesus healing, but I don't remember it
25:49
Speaker 3: being her.
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Speaker 1: Yes, uh I did read about that, but from what
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Speaker 1: I understand, it was again like there's three women there
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Speaker 1: and we're not sure which the seven demons necessarily applies
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Speaker 1: to but she was never like exercised or right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting part I didn't know.
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Speaker 1: It's mostly news to me, so yeah, people are still
26:21
Speaker 1: researching those, people are still talking about it. I do
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Speaker 1: think it's important. I think it's really interesting because this
26:27
Speaker 1: is somebody who has been used by a lot of
26:34
Speaker 1: people in power to tell a specific story and to
26:38
Speaker 1: maintain that power. But also more and more people want
26:41
Speaker 1: to know other interpretations of it are perhaps the more
26:46
Speaker 1: accurate interpretations of it. So I find that really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: She's clearly had a staying power in some ways good,
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Speaker 1: in some ways bad. But people are still people in
26:58
Speaker 1: organizations are push for change to have women's voices heard
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Speaker 1: in churches. I saw a lot of resources about that,
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Speaker 1: and many of them cited you know, story of Mary
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Speaker 1: Magdalen got me thinking, or are sometimes men just being
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Speaker 1: like I'm not I didn't have I couldn't believe that
27:23
Speaker 1: I reached a certain point where I could be an
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Speaker 1: alter boy and my sister could be an alter girl,
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Speaker 1: Like it didn't make sense to me, like having those
27:28
Speaker 1: kind of moments. So people are pushing for that change.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to see it.
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