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Tom Callahan on the Utah Mammoth, Their red hot play, Daniil But's emergence, NHL Winter Classic next year at Rice Eccles + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 2: We welcome Tom Callahan from the Lockdown Utah Mammoth podcast
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth Insider to discuss a team that right now on
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  Speaker 2: this homestand has become red hot. Tom, welcome back to
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  Speaker 2: the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, It's fantastic to be back on and I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what. It's a great time to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Mammoth, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It really is impressive so far on the homestand obviously
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  Speaker 2: piling up the points. How what kind of importance do
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  Speaker 2: you put on the win last night, because obviously it's
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  Speaker 2: not just who you did it against, but it's how
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  Speaker 2: you did it. It's hanging on at the end there
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  Speaker 2: when they pulled their goalie and it's six versus five,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a team that's I mean, they're the second
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  Speaker 2: best team in the NHL right now. How important was
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  Speaker 2: that win?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Huge? The whole home stand is huge. Let's face it.
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  Speaker 1: The mammoth. Coming into January, we're in a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a tailspin and they were playing themselves out of playoff
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  Speaker 1: contention and so if that continued, they were not going
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  Speaker 1: to make the playoffs this year. So looking at January
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  Speaker 1: season long seven game home stand, and I mean we
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  Speaker 1: circled this one for the beginning of the month and
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  Speaker 1: said this could make or break their season and they
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  Speaker 1: have to respond. And you know what, Delta Center hasn't
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  Speaker 1: always been the best place for them to play, but
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden this year, I think it has
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  Speaker 1: really grown into much more of a wholenice advantage. You know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the new seedings got something to do with that,
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  Speaker 1: but boy oh boy, it's massive. And the two biggest
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  Speaker 1: games in the biggest home stand of the year were
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  Speaker 1: Toronto and Dallas, and they man handled the Maple Leafs.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what caught them coming on a back
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  Speaker 1: to back after beating Colorado and overtime, Well that's fine,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't write the schedule, so you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: to do what you can to beat them, and they
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  Speaker 1: beat them big time. And then Dallas, that's another team that,
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  Speaker 1: as you say, second best team in the NHL right now.
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  Speaker 1: The Leafs are the hottest and Dallas is the second best.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they finally finally played some full games of hockey. Really,
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  Speaker 1: for two games in a row, they were consistent. They
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  Speaker 1: played sixty minutes worth of hockey or a very close approximation.
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  Speaker 1: They finally showed us what they can do. Because the
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  Speaker 1: talent is there, We've just been waiting for them to
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  Speaker 1: put it together for a full game. And Toronto and
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  Speaker 1: Dallas they did it.
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  Speaker 2: Saw some big moments, especially as this game was coming
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  Speaker 2: to a close, from Bed and the defense in front
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  Speaker 2: of him. How we'll start with Veggie. How how has
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  Speaker 2: Vimelka played in your mind, not only in this home stand,
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  Speaker 2: but leading up to it.
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  Speaker 1: He's another guy that's turned it around in January. Coming
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  Speaker 1: into January, he was not having the best run. He
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  Speaker 1: was struggling, you know, letting in some soft goals here
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  Speaker 1: and there. And I think you get the first to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that he wanted more. And I think defensively
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  Speaker 1: as a team, this whole organization wanted more. His January
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  Speaker 1: has been fantastic. His say percentage is through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's just been outstanding. I would not be
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  Speaker 1: surprised if he's Goaltender of the Month for January, Like
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  Speaker 1: he's been that good, that effective and they need him
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  Speaker 1: to be. And you know what the other thing is too,
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  Speaker 1: We've been talking about as players selected to their respective
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  Speaker 1: Olympic teams, you get a natural little boost, right your
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  Speaker 1: confidence goes up, you feel better about yourself. I think
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it with Clayton Keller. He's experienced a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a playoff or part of me an Olympic boost.
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  Speaker 1: I think Veg has really ridden his Olympic boost here
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  Speaker 1: in January at being selected to that checkist squad has
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  Speaker 1: been massive for him. I love the way he's playing
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  Speaker 1: right now. And this is the guy they signed him
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  Speaker 1: to be, so yeah, I mean he is the guy
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  Speaker 1: who has to lead the way for them and give
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  Speaker 1: him the big season they need it, and right now
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  Speaker 1: in January, he is that guy.
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  Speaker 2: You already alluded to it. Keller is going to be
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  Speaker 2: on the US Olympic team. And man, what a what
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  Speaker 2: a roller coaster he's experienced this year. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: tragedy of his father passing and deciding to play through
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  Speaker 2: it and hopefully now being able to put that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: appropriately in the rear view. If that's even possible while
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  Speaker 2: you're just, you know, in the middle of an NHL season.
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  Speaker 2: How has his elevated play been a benefit to this team?
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  Speaker 2: How significant.
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  Speaker 1: Clayton Keller. I mean, first of all, it's hard enough
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  Speaker 1: to deal with that at any point in your life,
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  Speaker 1: let alone when you're trying to have your best season
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  Speaker 1: as an NHL player. And nobody can say what each
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  Speaker 1: individual needs to mourn and to heal the passing of
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  Speaker 1: a parent. Everybody's different. Some players, in the case of
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  Speaker 1: a hockey team or even you know, football team, basketball team,
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  Speaker 1: some players find solace in the locker room, of being
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  Speaker 1: around their team, of being out on the ice, around
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  Speaker 1: the court. Some players get in their own head when
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  Speaker 1: they're not around anyone. So, you know, whatever Keller's path
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  Speaker 1: has been here, I feel like, yeah, it affected him
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  Speaker 1: for a while, you know, and I think we saw
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  Speaker 1: that in his play. I think now he's he's begun
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  Speaker 1: to really refocus on hockey and his career and as
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  Speaker 1: far as I mean how important he is, especially with
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  Speaker 1: Logan Coolly out, Keller needs to be the guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: not going to get that from ninety points like he
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  Speaker 1: did the year before. I mean that ninety point year
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  Speaker 1: that he had was something special, and he could have
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  Speaker 1: done it again this year, I think with a full
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  Speaker 1: on normal season and not you know, dealing with everything
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  Speaker 1: he's had to deal with. But I do think they
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  Speaker 1: need him to be that leading scorer guy, lead by example,
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  Speaker 1: lead in the room, lead on the bench. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he wears that stee for a reason, and I think
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  Speaker 1: they really do need him to be that guy as
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  Speaker 1: much as he can for them. So as long as
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  Speaker 1: he is able to keep that going, yeah, absolutely, he's
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  Speaker 1: the guy who's leading this team to the victories right now,
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately kind of dragging everybody else along with him.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm Callahan as our guest here talking a little
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth on the Sean O'Connell show. We haven't had
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  Speaker 2: Yawn since Daniel Boot came up and started to contribute
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  Speaker 2: to Look we saw early in the year simashev had
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  Speaker 2: a pretty big impact. An he kind of plateaued and
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  Speaker 2: maybe even regressed a little, and they send him back
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  Speaker 2: down for some more development. I think he'll be a
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  Speaker 2: part of this Mammoth future, but for now it's a
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  Speaker 2: swapout and daneil Boot comes up and he's got the
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  Speaker 2: size that they've been looking for and talking about as
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  Speaker 2: something they want to establish as part of this mammoth culture.
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  Speaker 1: And what not.
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  Speaker 2: What have you made of his short runs so far
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  Speaker 2: in the NHL.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I really like Boot. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: not only what he does with the puck, and I
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  Speaker 1: think he's starting to get a little more comfortable and
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  Speaker 1: the new line combinations have actually been pretty fantastic. It's
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  Speaker 1: been fun to watch. But what I will say about
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  Speaker 1: Boot is Number One, you can't teach size, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean any sport you cannot teach size. So he's
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  Speaker 1: a big guy, He's got a big reach. He is
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  Speaker 1: still growing into his body. I mean that's the other
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  Speaker 1: thing you got to remember. He's still pretty young. But man,
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  Speaker 1: I just love his hockey IQ. He sees the game
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  Speaker 1: so well. He understands where things are in and around
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  Speaker 1: the ice, he sees openings, he really and he thinks
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  Speaker 1: the game at an NHL level, and that, more than anything,
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  Speaker 1: is what's going to set him apart, especially as his
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  Speaker 1: career continues on and he gets used to the pace,
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  Speaker 1: used to the grind. This is the best league in
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  Speaker 1: the world, right, Not that the KHL is not good.
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  Speaker 1: But the first two lines of the KHL are good
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  Speaker 1: and then the bottom two lines are not well. In
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  Speaker 1: the National Hockey League, all four lines are good. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: belongs to everybody can play, and so that depth taxes
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  Speaker 1: you more and it makes you work harder, and it
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  Speaker 1: makes you have to be better. I think Daniel Boot
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  Speaker 1: has done a very good job keeping himself now, not
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  Speaker 1: only in the lineup, but as an effective player, finding
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  Speaker 1: some chemistry here and inserting himself into positions to make
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  Speaker 1: an impact. Even if it's not necessarily directly leading to
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  Speaker 1: a goal, Even if he's not directly scoring the goal,
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  Speaker 1: he's generating chances. He's helping the team that way, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he's done an exceptional job being a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: He's actually a lot further along than I thought he
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  Speaker 1: might be. I kind of wondered about it, but I
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  Speaker 1: really like his game and his development.
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  Speaker 2: Tom If we zoom out a little bit and we
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  Speaker 2: look at the league as a whole, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: more importantly the Western Conference, because that's the playoff picture.
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  Speaker 2: Utah's trying to insert themselves firmly into and stay there.
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  Speaker 2: We saw last year toward the end the Blues with
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  Speaker 2: their crazy run resurgence, and you know they they ended
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  Speaker 2: up making the playoffs after being like I think it
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  Speaker 2: was two weeks before the end of the season, they
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  Speaker 2: looked like they were firmly out and ended up being in.
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  Speaker 2: It would take a massive collapse for somebody like the
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  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche to be anything Button number one in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: But when we look at where the Mammoth are positioned
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  Speaker 2: with their fifty two points sandwich between Edmonton right now
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  Speaker 2: and Seattle. San Jose's tied with Seattle as well, who
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  Speaker 2: are you looking at that's lower in the standings. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, you gotta gotta keep pace or stay ahead
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  Speaker 2: of their pace. And maybe who's above the Mammoth that
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  Speaker 2: you could see them leap frogging before it's all said
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  Speaker 2: and done.
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  Speaker 1: The answer is yes, all of them. Sure. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy, right because the specific divisi this year, to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the other guys for a minute, is full
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  Speaker 1: of surprises. Quite frankly, I did not see the Sharks
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  Speaker 1: being where they are, and I don't think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people did. The Flames have absolutely dropped off a cliff.
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  Speaker 1: The Canucks have dropped off a cliff. Those are all surprises.
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  Speaker 1: The Ducks for a while, we're up there, but I
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  Speaker 1: think they're regressing to where their mean is and they're
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  Speaker 1: not really a playoff team. But the Kings are surprisingly
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  Speaker 1: kind of on the outside looking in and kind of
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  Speaker 1: hanging out on the border. Like I said, the Sharks
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  Speaker 1: are definitely a surprise. We knew Edmonton would be there,
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  Speaker 1: but boy, that division is is kind of crazy and
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  Speaker 1: could yield five teams making it in in the central.
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  Speaker 1: Winnipeg went through an absolutely horrible stretch. They lost eleven
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  Speaker 1: in a row. They looked terrible and that's a shock.
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  Speaker 1: But now they're starting to put it together again. I
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  Speaker 1: think they've won either three or four in a row,
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  Speaker 1: but they have a long climb, but they're not out
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  Speaker 1: of it. And Saint Louis, in consistent two months ago,
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  Speaker 1: looked like sellers, then kind of played their way back
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  Speaker 1: into contention. Chicago is starting to fall back a little
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  Speaker 1: bit now. My expectation is Winnipeg plays their way back
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago falls out. Saint Louis hovers around this playoff
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  Speaker 1: cut line along with the Mammoth, who have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to separate themselves. Right now, the only team I see
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  Speaker 1: coming back to the pack from the top three might
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  Speaker 1: be Minnesota just because they have a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: difficult road, and I think that that's a team that
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  Speaker 1: is built where they've had some great success so far.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much of it BI can sustain,
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  Speaker 1: but Dallas is built at a long haul of Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, is not going anywhere but number one.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where the Mammoth have to be in Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: Nashville is finally starting to figure it out in year
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  Speaker 1: two of this four year deal with Steven Stamcost, He's
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  Speaker 1: starting to look better. You can't look past Nashville. So
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  Speaker 1: tough division, but that's why this home stand is so
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  Speaker 1: important because and the Olympic break coming up in the
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  Speaker 1: early part of next month is going to reset everybody
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  Speaker 1: for three weeks. It's almost like you're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to go through camp again. That is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a crusher for a lot of teams carrying momentum, and
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  Speaker 1: Utah has to set themselves up and spot the standings
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  Speaker 1: where it does not crush them. And that's that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be an important part of it too. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this this division is difficult. Every two points, every single
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  Speaker 1: night is going to be massive all the way to April.
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  Speaker 2: In a perfect world and from a strictly NHL playoff standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: do you want your team to have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Olympians or do you want your guys to have rest
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  Speaker 2: during that Olympic break?
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  Speaker 1: Me personally, I mean, I know the grind of an
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  Speaker 1: NHL season up close and personal. I think I'd prefer rest.
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  Speaker 1: If you have a bunch of Olympians, it means you
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of good, individually skilled, in talented players,
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  Speaker 1: and that's awesome. I think the Mammoth have a nice mix.
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  Speaker 1: They have guys who could have made it, Like what
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  Speaker 1: would cool you have done with a full healthy season?
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  Speaker 1: Would have made it? Would he have been a fringe guy?
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  Speaker 1: I think he might have been a fine guy. Don't
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  Speaker 1: know if he had made it because of his youth,
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  Speaker 1: but could have if v tech Manichek had better numbers
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  Speaker 1: this year, because I think he's played well but had
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  Speaker 1: better numbers. He could have also been on an Olympic
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  Speaker 1: roster as a goaltender as well. I think he could
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  Speaker 1: have been on the check team, but Dan Ladar and
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  Speaker 1: Philly kind of put that to bed. He's really played
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  Speaker 1: his way into that. That's that the rest is super important.
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  Speaker 1: The recuperation is super important for a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: guys who are nursing these bumps, these bruises. Does that
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  Speaker 1: get Kerfoot back in the lineup? Does that get Cooley
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  Speaker 1: back in the lineup? I think for the Mammoth, for
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  Speaker 1: the Gauntlet they have March and April, I would much
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  Speaker 1: rather have them rested and healed.
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  Speaker 2: We have not had you on since the big announcement.
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  Speaker 2: Gary Bettman in Town a couple of weeks ago. I
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  Speaker 2: lose my track of time to let us all know
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  Speaker 2: that twenty twenty seven Winter Classic, outside of the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: outside of the Stanley Cup finals themselves, this is the
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  Speaker 2: showcase opportunity for the NHL and it's coming to Rice
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  Speaker 2: Cycles Stadium. How excited are you for this? How big
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  Speaker 2: of a deal? Should we all view this as?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is awesome. I'm very excited for it,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody should be. This is I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: even if you haven't been to a hockey game and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, maybe i'll check it out, this is the
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  Speaker 1: one you're going to want to go to. This is
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  Speaker 1: going to be massive. It's something you will likely not
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  Speaker 1: see again for many years, and even if you do,
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  Speaker 1: the Mammoth might be the roadent team that's involved. But
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  Speaker 1: they have it in your own backyard. Such a beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: you know setting, and I mean just things are happening
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  Speaker 1: right now for the city, for the state, for this
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  Speaker 1: hockey team, and it is a marquee event, it really is.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to bring a carnival with it to
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  Speaker 1: town when it comes. I've been around these before. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is a week long. It is not just we
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  Speaker 1: show up and play the game. There's going to be
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  Speaker 1: so much for the commune unity to do. They're gonna,
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  Speaker 1: you know, try to I guarantee you things will happen,
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  Speaker 1: like they'll try to get a college game out there
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  Speaker 1: or too. They may do some public skates out there.
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  Speaker 1: They may try to, you know, like they're gonna try
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  Speaker 1: to really get everybody involved, and it's just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: so much fun. And this is this is gonna be huge.
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  Speaker 1: It's for the organization, but it's even bigger for the community.
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  Speaker 1: And I could not be more thrilled to see that
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  Speaker 1: it's coming next year.
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  Speaker 2: Can we get somebody besides the Avalanche? I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: guess maybe I guess maybe they'll have a bad year
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  Speaker 2: next year.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't assume that they're going to be great again,
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  Speaker 2: but I want it to be a man with win.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's a tough out against the Avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: It is. But you know what's great oc is they
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  Speaker 1: have played the tough teams tough and they've beaten them.
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  Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, Utah elevates its play against Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: against Dallas, against Toronto, against the difficult teams they play
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  Speaker 1: this here, the teams leading their divisions, they show up
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  Speaker 1: and they play well. So I would go so far
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  Speaker 1: as to suggest I think Utah will beat the Avalanche
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  Speaker 1: next year because they play them so hard, and they
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  Speaker 1: will have another year of these players who are growing
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  Speaker 1: into their roles. Man, And that's what right. This is
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  Speaker 1: the stubborn part of sports that gives us hope. When
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  Speaker 1: you see your team play well against the other best
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  Speaker 1: teams in the league and sometimes you beat them, you're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we could be that good. We are that good. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we just did it. And that's how I feel about
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  Speaker 1: this Mammoth team. And that's quite frankly, I think why
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  Speaker 1: we all get so frustrated when they don't play well,
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  Speaker 1: because we know they're capable, we know they have the talent,
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  Speaker 1: and you just want to see them succeed. So I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't worry too much about the apps. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a good game.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I needed to hear, Tom. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling. No, it's great.
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  Speaker 2: Hey. Before then, we'll have plenty of hockey to watch,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: including this weekend, and of course Tom Callahan and the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Lockdown Utah Mammoth podcast will be giving you all the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: perspective you need. Tom. Appreciate your time today. Let's talk
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: again soon.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Sounds good. I appreciate you guys having me.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: On Tom Callahan Mammoth Insider. That's the raw rye. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: need it, Okay,