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LA Clippers' Punishment, NFL vs. College Quarterback Money, Harrison Barnes Buys a Bank & Ohio State · Bottom Line on Sports

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, everybody?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another episode of the bottom line on sports.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's Jeremy Pink.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm John-Jacques Taylor.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you know how we get down.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: We need you to subscribe, share, and review.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've not had a cocktail yet.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've just been four o'clock this morning.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, rough, rough start.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Rough start.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I had a rough start.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Guess who had a rougher day?
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Those LA Clippers.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I was gonna say Steve Ballmer.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the number is 30 million.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, that sounds like a lot of money to me and you, but that's his fine for the shenanigans involving the clippers, and we'll tell you about those in just a minute.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: But as a moneyman yourself, one who counts it, does$30 million matter to a man worth$1.5 billion?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Not at all.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think what matters.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: So these these this is the fine that the Clippers got for the shenanigans that went on with endorsements around Kawhi Leonard and circumventing salary cap uh issues in the NBA, right?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think the bigger issue is it uh got rid of uh they had to forfeit five first-round picks from 29 to 33.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's a bigger deal.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's costly.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: That will cost the cost to the franchise by forfeiting five number one picks, um, is going to be far greater than 30 million, in my opinion.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no doubt.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Five first-round picks each of the next five years, there's no relief.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not like they skipped a year and said, no, five in a row.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean they're starting in 29.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: So they've got, but you know, if you think about it, and if you say that Kawhi was traded essentially for five first-round picks or whatever it was, and you add these uh Kawhi was basically traded for 10 first-round picks, and the end result is that Kawhi gets a contract with the Raptors.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: He had a$50 million deal, and he's being fined$700,000 in restitution.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Big whoop-de-doo.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's calculating money for him.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was interesting that his uncle got suspended for five years.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and can't do any business in the league.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Steve Baller, the owner of the Clippers, he got suspended for a year.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, their um CEO, I think it is.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um Gillian, the woman, yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: She got suspended for a year.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Lawrence Frank got six months.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so and then now here's the deal.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: The Clippers still say we've done nothing wrong.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're innocent.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: And uh now I may catch a little heat, but I don't care.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: ESPN came out with a story, I believe, two weeks ago said the NBA has no evidence that um the Clippers have committed any crimes against the people.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: I can't I can't imagine where the sources came from on that story.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Can't possibly imagine where that came from.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the problem, man.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: And as somebody who's worked in media for 40 years, sometimes you just have to admit it's the rare day you got your butt kicked.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And somebody else has a story, and they got it so tight and so good that you can't confirm it because their sources are so deep.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so you you go out of your way to try to refute it.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Dan Van Hatta is a great reporter, Ramona Shelborn's a great reporter.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: All great reporters at some point, yours truly have gotten the ass kicked.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it just be what it be sometimes.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, I don't think the NBA cuts a franchise five first-round picks and suspends anybody who had anything to do with it, in their opinion, with no smoking guns somewhere.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Quite quite possibly.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think what's happening here there's two things that are happening here.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: One is that this is reminiscent of the whole Joe Smith deal from the beginning of the, you know, right 25 years ago, whatever that was, with Kevin McHale and the ownership group there.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um and they they had a sacrifice five first-round pick.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's how they came up at the five first-round number.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I also think it's a case of, again, from what I've read, and this and five dollars to get you a cup of coffee, but from what I've read, you know, I think it's plausible deniability on the part of a lot of people in that chain, including Kawhi.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that the you know, Kawhi is totally fine with this because Kawhi's first statement was, or second statement was looking forward to joining the Raptors.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is this is a win for Kawhi.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's a huge win for Kawhi.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Win for Kawhi.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: He probably did have lousy advisors, and I know there was his dad or his uncle, whoever it was.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was his uncle Dennis.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was his uncle, right?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Uncle Dennis.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what could possibly go wrong with Uncle Dennis?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and so, but the thing is that it is it is apparently binding with the NBA and the NBA Players Association.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: However, the Clippers and Ballmer are adamant that it's not over yet.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um let me say a word about what you just mentioned, because it it's uh none of us knows, but plausible deniability is um I'm gonna say it a way a journalist would say it.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I've been in this situation, not to that extent, but I had a colleague who was who was in it over his head in a situation where you are right.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: What you report is right, but you look wrong because your sources aren't coming out to defend you because it's too hot.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're out there and you know in your heart that it's right, and everybody is saying that's a lie, that's a lie, that's a lie.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just out there by yourself, man.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: But but but but you're but you're right though.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the NBA takes this action unless it's a hundred percent certain, and keep in mind, or not a hundred percent certain, unless it's very confident that it's doing the right thing.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: But but but also keep in mind that this investigation took forever.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: So so my re my read of that is the NBA was making certain or as close to certain as they could get that this this case they could they could punish the Clippers to this extent.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's also a case where you know Pablo Torre Pablo Torre has been kind of leading the charge on this thing in terms of investigative reporting and and and writing about it and talking about it and and putting new new things out there about it all the time.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I I would venture that the NBA used a lot of his stuff to corroborate what they had, uh, you know, what their thoughts were on it, uh, you know, and um you know, to help build the case.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he did a lot of the legwork for him just because he was being a dogged reporter, dog with a bone, and found something and was just unpeeling the onion, as they say, layer after layer after layer, to became clear that whether you did this, or whether you did that, or whether you did this or that, you did something trying to circumvent the salary cap, and we're gonna bust you for that because we don't want other people doing it.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: What one one final note they Ballmer's not gonna sell the clippers, no, but if he were, he would still sell it for an astronomical amount of money.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: He bought it for I think two billion from uh from what's his name?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: The old Sterling, right?
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dennis Sterling.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when which people thought were crazy.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: He would make he would make a fortune on that.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: The Clippers would still be one of the most coveted uh sports franchises out there that would be for sale.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So what will the long-term impact be?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's gonna be certainly uh uh tarnish Ballmer's reputation.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna impact the Clippers on the court because they're not gonna have five first-round picks from uh 29 to 33.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, not a whole lot.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me, the Clippers have been a largely irrelevant franchise except for a few years of Lob City with uh Chris Paul and uh Blake Griffin.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Outside of that, they've been largely irrelevant for the uh 30, 40 years, 50 years since they moved uh for my beloved Buffalo Braves.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I think all this means is they will remain largely irrelevant.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't think it tips the basketball world on his end because can you name four players on the Clippers roster, not a Kawhi's guy?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm serious.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do we even know who who coaches the Clippers right now?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't either.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: So they're about as irrelevant as the Brooklyn Nets, and uh now they just stay that way.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh bottom bottom line for me is as you as you know, and listeners and and viewers of this uh show know, I travel to LA all the time.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be able to get a lot of cheap tickets to Clipper games uh this year.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's gonna be the bottom line for me.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think, as I said, I I think the long-term, I think the the long-term impact is gonna be costly just because of the first rounders.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think the 30 million was uh uh you know was was an amount that that seems large, but in the grand scheme of the NBA and the size of the business, it's not that big.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not fair.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh as we shift topics here, um on the bottom line on sports, our show about the intersection between sports and money, is I think every year now, the big question in college football for some of the best players in college football, more than ever.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it really to me only applies a quarterback is should I stay or should I go?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that song from our youth?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it comes up because quarterback to me, and I this is not breaking news and I'm not alone, is the one position where staying in college and getting more reps and seeing more things can help you be a better pro.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas some of the other, most other positions in college, you want to get there as fast as you can, start your money clock and your career.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: The money is so big playing quarterback, and the patience is so low that you want to give yourself the best opportunity to start and play and win and succeed.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the way they're paying college quarterbacks now, sometimes it's better to stay in college than it is to go to the league.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, for sure, for sure.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have um I had sent you a graphic earlier this week that was from uh I think Front Office Sports put it together, it was an excellent graphic.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it looked, it looked at the top uh the most recent five uh five quarterbacks that were recently drafted in the NFL, and what they're earning their first season in the NFL, and what the top five uh five of the highest paid quarterbacks in college football are getting.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: So so uh Mendo Fernando Mendoza of the of the Raiders, who by the way, today found out that he's not starting.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's the first, he's the first number one pick at quarterback and not to start in many years, I think since 2019, but that's neither here nor there.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's making 10.4 million a year.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Your boy, your boy, Darien Mensa.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: University of Miami.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: University of Miami, but formerly of Duke, and for before that, before that two lane, he's the highest paid, according to the front office sports, at 6.5 million.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he's making less than for Fernanda Mendoza.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Quarterbacks two through five in the college, and quarterbacks two through five in the pros, the rookie quarterbacks, the all the college players are making more money, indemonstrably more money.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Josh Hoover for your Indiana Hoosiers, uh, normally of your uh TCU.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: What is TCU anyway?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hornfrogs, of course.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I can't keep up with where everybody's been.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Your boy Josh Hoover is earning four million, and Cade Klubnick is earning 1.2 million.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: But that's just show you.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's the that's a significant difference.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Drew Aller is earning the fourth uh quarterback selected, is earning 1.3 million.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Sam Levitt is earning 4.5 million.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Trinidad Chambless, who I think is now, I think he's got about 40 years old now, he's the third highest pay quarterback in college football, according to this.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he's making 1.35 million.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um he he makes 5 million, the third quarterback in the third quarterback chosen the NFL uh draft this year.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Carson Beck is making 1.3.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'm telling you, man, if you don't have to go, if you don't have to go on your team, like sometimes I had an interesting conversation about this today, you know, in terms of standard, like Arch Manning, and this is, and somebody broke this down on the radio today.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know what?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're making a very good point.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: They go, this is Arch Manning's last year at Texas, even though he's got, even though he could play one more year at college ball if he wants to.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they said, and here's why either he's going to play great, whether they won a national championship or not, he's going to play great, they're going to get in the in the tournament, he'll play well, and they'll be a contender for the national championship.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: They go, or they may have a little bit, they got a tough schedule, legitimate tough schedule.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: He may just be okay and they lose three games, and maybe they lose in the first round of playoffs, and he has an average season by the standard of expectations.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: People in Texas are like, bro, you've been here four years.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: You got to go because the next one is up.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like the Quinn Ewers thing where hey, we love you, but Arch is here.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta go.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so they go.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is Arch's last year.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Either he's going to ball out and be a high draft pick.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Can I tell y'all something?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is all just talk.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's been nothing, zero zip, zilch, not uh, nothing on the football field to suggest he's a first round anything through this point of his career.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: That could all change this year.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: But people talking about he's gonna be the first pick of the draft, dude, based off of nothing that they've seen.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think that's the most critical point that you brought up, though.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Not about Arch specifically, although I I tend to agree with you.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think the the second game of the season against Ohio State will be really telling for Arch to see how he plays against against uh against the Buckeyes.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look at this uh graphic, which will we'll we'll post this graphic, um what it says to me is if you're a college quarterback, if you're drafted in the first, if you think you're gonna be a first-round pick, go.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not a first-round pick, don't go.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on to college as much as you can because you're gonna probably make more in college.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's that's what it simply boils down to me as what's happening.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And this reinforces the idea that the college is essentially it's not quite triple A baseball, because I think it's better than triple A baseball.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but it is a it is a professional league that feeds into the NFL.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's really that's that's really what it's what it's uh that's really what it's become.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the thing it's all a dollars and cents game.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you have, and and the reason why you gotta you gotta make a the right choice is teams don't have patience.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Rams are already done with JJ McCarthy.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's been like this is like the Vikings.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the Vikings.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the Titans are done with Will Levis.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: He was, I think, first or second pick of the second round.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: They have no patience.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Once they decide you can't play, brother, it's it's a wrap for that franchise.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then you start that that journey where maybe I can find a place to stick, but the odds of that happening are rare.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Baker Mayfield has done it, but he was a number one pick overall.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Sam Sam Sam Darnold was a, I think, with the third pick or the fifth pick.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't recall anywhere.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sometimes you can get it done, but the longer you're trying to accumulate the most amount of money you can, and the way the game is going for right now is uh and I think that's a great point, is unless you're a bona fide first round pick, don't go.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go, don't go.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can get the man, you can get the money, the endorsements, everything uh and and you said this earlier, and this is a this is a critical point too.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And you get the reps in college, and college quarterbacks who have more games and more reps tend to do better in the pros anyway.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: So there was a stat a while back.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have not looked it up lately.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: If I felt like doing some homework, I might give it to y'all next week.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I've been out of school a long time.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not playing.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I know I know uh how you were as a student at Ohio State, so let's assume that's not happening.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: But there was a number that there was a cutoff number, like the best quarterbacks in the NFL had like 1,100 attempts in college, which was basically three years being a starter.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because it allowed them to see defenses get used to moving in the pocket.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: All of stuff comes with experience.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: You've seen every coverage, this and that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you can succeed with fewer throws, but it was it was clear that the more throws you had in college, the better chances you were of being a good pro.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we're probably going back to that now because you know, so much of the college game does not prepare you for the NFL.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're looking over here for the play call and it's signaling, you don't have to do anything.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go in the center, you don't have to read the defense, much other than okay, if this linebacker comes, I throw it.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: If he stays back, I hand it off.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's an RPO.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you just have to execute.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: The coach is doing all the thinking.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas in the NFL, the quarterback's got to do all the thinking.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and and also the margins are the margins are slimmer, the speed is faster, the the windows are tighter that you're throwing into.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's a hole.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now, as you look at, as I look at these quarterbacks that are uh in the NFL this year, the who were in the NFL draft this year, Mendoza, Ty Simpson, Carson Beck, Drew Aller, Kate Klubnick.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Who's gonna be the star of those, if any?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you don't like Mendoza.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I don't have any confidence in Beck, Aller, or Klubnick.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Ty Simpson, if he can convince uh McVay to stay, he'll have a shot because he will have had a couple years to learn and see it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then if McVeigh stays, he'll have a guy who's a terrific offense coordinator, play caller, offensive guy who constructs an offense.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, all right, even though they hated the pick, to me, out of that group, Ty Simpson has the best chance for success.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Not Mendoza in your mind.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, because here's why.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is just me, of course.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: One is and we haven't talked about this as all, I'm a big, huge believer.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'll die on this hill.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Organization that drafts you matters.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Raiders are a trash organization.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, right, right.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: The organization whoever they're so dysfunctional, it's difficult to have success.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, I don't like their coach, and he just showed up.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you know why I don't like him?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like him because he said Ash and Genty was the starter, and now I think he's gonna split time with the other guy.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just like, dude, stop it, man.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I so as I look at that.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think he thinks he's too smart.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: As I look at those quarterbacks, I'm not a I'm not a Mendoza.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a Mendoza fan.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't mean he's not gonna be good.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a Mendoza fan.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: My prediction is this is that Drew Aller will be starting for the Steelers probably around Thanksgiving or possibly before, and he will be the starting quarterback for the Steelers next year.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's my prediction.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And for for you know, a reason that did Aaron Rodgers get hurt, or he or they just stink and Aaron Rodgers is gonna be 43.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's and he's and and this is gonna be Aaron Rodgers last year.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the Steelers are gonna be very good.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I think they're gonna have to, you know, uh they're gonna they're gonna say, listen, we got Drew Allerman and Will Howard, Ohio State's Will Howard is also but I'm not I'm not opposed to that, but I think um I don't if he but I think the Steelers will hang around the race long enough, it'll be because I don't think their division is that good, that they won't want to make a move while they're still in the playoffs.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean they'll believe it.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not sure Rogers can survive the whole Rogers made up.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's that's a different thing.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's I think that's true.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you were to look 365 days ago, maybe 370 days ago, and somebody told you looked at all these quarterbacks, you would have said, if I had to bet on any of those quarterbacks a year ago, you would bet on Drew Aller to be the one that emerged from that group, too.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Telling him.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I guess so.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let me see.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Was that before Carson Beck's meltdown?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe so.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Carson, well, Carson Beck had transferred to Miami.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was after his meltdown.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I got his confidence in it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll bet it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bet it.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think, and I think, and listen, I I also think that you know Aller was injured last year.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Penn State's program was a lot worse than we thought, or at least, you know, Franklin, James Franklin wasn't, uh didn't have a hold on the program as much as possible.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think Drew Aller, I'm I think of all the quarterbacks drafted this year, I think Drew Aller is going to be the guy who emerges.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me, man.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you ain't got to go to the NFL, stay your behind in college and get the money and the girls.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Bottom line for me, very similar.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you're going to be a first-round pick, stay in college.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to make more money, you're going to get more reps, and that's going to prep you for the NFL better anyway.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Look at us advocating staying in school.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Who would have thought that?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Next up, our person of the week.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have this on my bingo card at any point this year.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Harrison Barnes, who I must say, has had a much better NBA career than I would have imagined.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And um he's still not as old as you think he is.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I thought is he?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: He was he 38, 36.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to look it up.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: He might not be that old, man.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the problem: Harrison Barnes, he's from Iowa.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's from Ames.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's an he's from an hour outside of Ames, at least according to what I read.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which is clearly the middle of nowhere.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, but he was he was the big he was the big to-do coming out of high school basketball.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, he was he was the guy out of high school.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: He was the top recruiter in the country.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's 34.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's 34.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like it feels like he's 40.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's only 34 years old because he probably came out after his freshman year or so.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been a good player, maybe a really good player, never anything close to a great player.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But because he's a good person, he just stays on everybody's roster, averages like 12 or 14 points a game, doesn't cause any trouble, and he'll probably play till he's 42.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that's not what we're talking about.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about him because he's our sports person of the week.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why he just opened up a bank, he just bought a bank in in a little town in Iowa, put 25 million of his own money in there, and that's called being a businessman.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was impressed by that.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's$25 million.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's bought a community bank in Iowa.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: He says it's because, you know, if community banks, for those who don't know, are lending institutions that allow, especially in Iowa, allow the farmer to buy a new tractor or you start your own restaurant, or you know, you're lending money to go back into the local community and go back into the local economy.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And he said he kind of got the impetus for this idea when he saw what was happening during COVID.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's I think it's fantastic.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it is uh, you know, and and what's crazy is 25 million for a community bank doesn't seem like a lot of money.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's less than the Clippers find.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Five million less than the Clippers find.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, which is what'll give you an idea of the magnitude and the size of the business.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, he's doing it, and yes, it's it's fantastic because I think community banks uh are critical uh to local economies, particularly economies that are kind of not near major cities and major metropolitan major metropolitan areas where they may not have this easy access to capital.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think all of that is good, and I think it's uh uh and I think it's kind of speaks to what you're saying, that he's an all-around good guy, and he's doing this.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm sure he's doing this because he thinks he can make money, but he's also doing this because he thinks it's the right thing to do.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's uh there's nothing that says you shouldn't be able to make money.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but if you can make money and help people, that's that's uh that's that's an even greater thing to do.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I always like it because um I think we do a pretty good job on this show, but there's so many tragic stories involving athletes and money.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um they wasted it, they blew it, they lost it, they got it stolen from them.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that it's always good to point out there are a bunch of guys who got wealthy through their athletic endeavors and are making the money work for them, whether they're doing big business for themselves, or whether there's something like this where they're they're uh buying a community bank and trying to help others.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh I always think it's a good point of spotlight on it that not every athlete who comes into a bunch of money waste it or blows it on strippers and cars.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a lot of them you know invest it, a lot of them help people, a lot of them have great charities.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just good to point out that uh there are a lot of people like Harrison Barnes doing good things with the money that they've been blessed to earn through their athletic uh ability.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you watch him play, I think when you watch NBA players play, you can kind of get a sense of their personalities for how they play, you know.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if you watch Harrison Barnes play, tremendous talent, smart player, uh quiet player, uh steady.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's very steady, very good, seems like a great teammate, is as you said.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's kind of reflective in what he's doing as a as a business person and buying the spank.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh I think that's a good way to put it.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: How many teams has he played for?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's think about this.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: I would say he's played for six teams.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like that could be a little low.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, does it say or not?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I was I was looking at I was looking for it.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um let me see.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you're when you're looking for this stuff, you can't find it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: When you're uh like he was the seventh overall pick.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he played four teams.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh that's less than I thought.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I thought he had I thought he had a brief like one-year stops at certain places, but he didn't.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he didn't.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh by the time his career is over, he will have played for eight teams.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably true.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you think he's gonna stick with you think the Spurs will keep him?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they'll keep him for a little while because he's the ultimate vet now.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's going to show up, he's gonna be the professional, he's gonna do everything he's supposed to do, he's gonna be on time, he's gonna pull Wimbyana aside and say, hey man, here's what you do, da-da-da-da-da.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: In this situation, he's gonna tell some of the young guys, hey man, uh, here's what you should do to your money to protect it.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, two of those guys will listen to him, one of them won't.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we'll be talking about him in 15 years, about him being some guy being broke because he didn't listen to Harrison Barnes anything.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but uh aside from that, man, no, he's a he's a terrific dude.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh I was really impressed to see what he's doing.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think this is uh this starts something big for him and uh for the uh community, uh, the farmers in Iowa, because we all know farmers are underserved.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they're always in need of a hell handout and some help because uh farming is a fickle world to live in, brother.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Farming is now dominated by large corporations, and to be an individual or family farmer is much more difficult these days because you don't have the scale.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, how many points has he averaged during his career?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna guess, not having looked it up.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the number 14.6 is in my head.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: 13.6.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll tell you, he just looks like a 14 points a game game.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: What's what's the what's the most points he's averaged in a season?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: The most he's averaged, he probably had one year where he averaged uh 17 and a half.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: 19.2 for your Dallas Mavericks in 2016.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I remember him having a good year in Dallas, but again, you know, I I tie everything to this.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember that year in Dallas.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was Dak and Zeke's rookie year, and they were going 13 and 3.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Was that 2016?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, you're right.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: 2016.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: 2016, 2016.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I and the Buckeye has won the national championship that year.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't remember any any of that basketball stuff.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: So what's what's your bottom line on Harrison Barnes?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line on Harrison Barnes.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I wish they were more like you, brother, and uh, you're doing a great thing and serving as a great example to what other young men with money can do for their communities and themselves.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Bottom line for me is he has the absolutely perfect last name to own a bank in Iowa.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: His last name is Barnes.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna be lending money to farmers.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a great thing.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's pink humor at his finest.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's wrap it up with our favorite segment.
• 31:17
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• 31:19
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• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's the Buckeye Talk.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: This week it focuses on one of my favorite players, Chris Alave, wide receiver for um the New Orleans Saints.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Chris Alave is one of my favorite players because he came literally out of nowhere.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's like a three-star recruit, hadn't done much in uh whatever his junior year was, showed up in the Michigan game.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even remember having heard anything about him and scored like the first two touchdowns of the game.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, oh, he was a young guy.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, who the hell is he?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh then he teamed up with uh Alan Wilson the next year, and they just crushed it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's been a good pro, uh, but he's been hampered by concussions and some bad ones that make me think uh his career, unfortunately, will not be long.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it feels like.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Four concussions I read, or he's been diagnosed with four concussions.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows how many he's had?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: They've been he's had some severe ones.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're all bad, but he's had some where he's had to miss several weeks.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but then, dude, he got a contract extension.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was just reading about it, and it's the wildest contract extension I've ever read.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the money is good, the guarantees are good at 35 or 40 million, but he's got a couple waivers in there.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now he signed it, so he knows what he's doing that says if he gets a concussion or a blood clot and can't play, the guarantees disappear.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, the bigger issue is this is why I'm always on the side of players.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever a player has a great year and he says, Hey, they're not paying me enough, I'm gonna hold out, I'm gonna be like, Hold out then.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because the league does not care about you at all.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's all transactional.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because if the league cared, if they really cared, the league would be like, What do you mean if he has a concussion with a history of concussions?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he doesn't get paid.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: It should be the opposite.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: But that's not how it works.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, he's got so the the good thing is he's got uh 35 million that he's already he's already got.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he's got essentially pre-existing conditions, and they said, if you can't play due to these pre-existing conditions, you don't get your money.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: My question is, and I we talked about this briefly before we started tonight, is you got 35 million.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you put yourself at risk?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Clearly, clearly, if the organization is writing a contract that says that, it means they think you're really, really at risk.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you sign that?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I talk about this all the time.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you play?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: I guess is the question.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you pull a Chris Borlin and just leave in your second year?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think those are few and far between.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think um most guys, especially a guy Olave's age, he's probably 27 or 28.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's played football his entire life, he's reached the pinnacle.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think those guys really don't know what to do with themselves.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you find a lot of guys at the end of their careers in their mid-30s don't know what to do with themselves.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I understand.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the the flip side of that is, and I have friends like this who are my age, who are like, oh, I I retired four years ago, and now I've got a part-time job doing something.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what happened to retirement?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I got bored, there's nothing for me to do.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta have purpose when you wake up, whatever that purpose is.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, of course.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't really know what to do with your life because you figured out you're gonna play football from 25 to 35, and then whatever.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's hard to come to grips with what to do when you've been doing this since you were seven years old.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Your identity, if you talk to a lot of team psychologists, you know, there's a reason why just pick any player on the Dallas Cowboys, and there's a better than 75% chance that he's got some kind of jewelry with his number on it, that his email address has his football number in it, that his phone number has his football number in it somewhere.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm I'm an offensive lineman.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right, that's that's that's how that's how he's he identifies that right.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's who he is, his identity is is his work.
• 35:35
  unknown: Right.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so we say take that away and go do something, and it's just not that easy.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why you see these guys play with mangled bodies.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it is that that's one thing.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's different, though.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: If somebody were to say to you, for example, Jacques, if you write any more books or do any more journalism, it's gonna potentially put your life in jeopardy, and we're not gonna pay you.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: Would you do it or not?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I would.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Not that I can write or I can do journalism, but but um, but it's it's one of those questions.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're also somebody who had a high high profile job or a high-profile career, and you decide to walk away, one of the this is where I agree with you.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: One of the biggest issues is oftentimes your identity is who who is your work, is your job.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And once you always met, I think that's tricky.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've had to I have to be very conscious of that myself.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Being a columnist in Dallas, covering the cowboys in Dallas, being on TV and on the radio in Dallas.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very well known in Dallas.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I would say most times when I go out, I get recognized at some point during the day if I'm out for a few hours.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got recognized today, and I was in a in a doctor's office, and the guy's and receptionists that's great.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was being funny.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: The receptionists were like, How do you guys know each other?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Oh, I saw him on TV all the time.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he left, and she goes, You don't know that guy?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: I go, Never met him in my life.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and so that feels good that people recognize you for your work, right?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta imagine if you've been if I've been doing this for 25, 30 years, well, yeah, I can't sit up here and tell you that part of your ego isn't of course it is, and so if you say that gets wiped off, there's a part of you that goes, I don't know, man.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like that every now and then.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, and you gotta keep it in check so that you don't become a seven-letter cuss word, but you know, ego anybody who's successful has an ego, and it's how you manage it and how you deal with it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, for you, it would be well, you you don't want to work, so it's not a big deal.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: But it'd be like, you can't put together another deal for any other company ever, and you'd be like, huh.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess I'm cool with that, but at some point knowing you, you you'd have an itch to work.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do I do something.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: But but but I think but but my life isn't in jeopardy, or my my well-being is in jeopardy.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's a big, that's a significant difference.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I listen, I can't, he's gotta make the decision on his own.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: He knows his body better than anybody else.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: He knows what he can and can't do.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, they're invincible at that age.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's 20.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I looked it up, he's 26.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you what are you gonna tell him?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: How do you think how do you think the Saints are gonna do this year?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of people seem to think the Saints are like a sleeper team because Tyler Shuck played well at the end of the year.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and their division is not that great.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not a you know, uh their coach was here.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Keller Moore was in Dallas for a long time.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have a hard time seeing him as a as a as a great coach.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's so soft-spoken and so mild-mannered.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just uh he's a nice guy.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Don't confuse that, but he just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who just control the team and take advantage of me.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't mind it proved me wrong, but uh, and I don't like end of the season rookies who do well.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I need to uh I need to see you do it when everybody when you've got it everybody's full attention, not at the end of the year where you suck and they're like, oh, we got the Saints coming to town.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and they don't really give you the full effort.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh I think that division is so weak.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Saints will do really well this year.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Olave will have a very big year uh this year.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: If he doesn't get knocked out, he doesn't get knocked out, and he he very well might.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the bottom line is I wish I wish Chris Olave well, although I still can't believe he signed a contract that doesn't guarantee him any money if he gets hurt.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh bottom bottom line for me that's gotta be one of the hardest decisions you have to make, which is someone's putting a lot of cash in front of you.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Probably you're gonna make more money at this age than you will the rest of your life.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: But there's you know potential bodily harm or or long-term health impact.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's a hard decision to make.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: I wish the guy well.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Also, we got just a few days till Buckeye season.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Buckeye season starts.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: How are you feeling?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Playoffs or not?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, they're definitely in the playoffs.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're in the playoffs.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uh you know, I I mean, this isn't too complicated to me.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: The season to me will be determined by the offensive line of whether they can run the ball.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because their passing game will be fine.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: But you're going to they didn't win last year the ultimate prize because they couldn't convert third and ones and third and goals.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: 100% right.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and ones.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: And when Ohio State has been at its best, whether it won a championship or not, in the last 20 years, they've had to do the running back that you could that, yeah, whether it was Beanie Wells or Ezekiel or J.K.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Dobbins or the duo that they had when they won a couple years ago.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Dutch and Anderson, yeah.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: When they got a running back back there that's legit, they they they you know they're gonna make you deal with it.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Bring back Keith Byers.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta get Keith Byers.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think uh I've heard a lot of great things about Legend Bay, who's from Dallas.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and maybe he can be, you know, maybe him and Bo Westbrook can put that one, two punch together.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bo Jackson.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Bo Jackson, but Bo Westbrook is uh you know, there's a there's a school in Texas, Beaumont Westbrook.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's getting late.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Now it is because you know, I'm an early riser.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: I've been up since uh 4 30 this morning, so uh I'm way past my bedtime.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, we're taping we're taping this late on a Wednesday night.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: So uh all right, I think that's it for today.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, he's uh Jeremy Pink.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Jai Jacques Taylor.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Did I say my name wrong?
• 41:55
  unknown: I'm John.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think you did it right.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you said you said all three names exactly right.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Very impressive.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh until we chat again, uh keep your eyes on your money, people.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, thanks everybody.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see you next week.