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Rugby Direct - Episode 176 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 3: Lead Rugby commentator and with me as always Liam Napier,
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  Speaker 3: Rugby correspondent from the New Zealand Herald, checking in from
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  Speaker 3: buea side Is Airport's Liam Welcome and hopefully you're you're
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  Speaker 3: parked up and ready to get some shut eye on
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  Speaker 3: the big verd back home.
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  Speaker 4: Wella eliotto, that's how I'm gonna deem your name and
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  Speaker 4: to be Spanish in your and yes, long fly home
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  Speaker 4: three three flights via Santiago and Australia, but it will
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  Speaker 4: be an even longer flight home for the All Blackswona
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  Speaker 4: after that result.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be top line thoughts. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: What did you make of that being on the ground
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  Speaker 3: and seeing that performance from the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was a very special night for Los Pumas
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  Speaker 4: and Argentina. Their first win over the All Blacks in
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  Speaker 4: Argentina in the eighteenth attempt. They'd had the draw in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five. And I'll tell you what, they enjoyed
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  Speaker 4: it because they were rocking at the stadium, the Pumas
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  Speaker 4: that a victory lap afterwards, not a soul left.
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  Speaker 5: They were bouncing, singing, chanting.
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  Speaker 4: So they really enjoyed that result and they fully deserved it.
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  Speaker 4: And look, I'm gotta be honest, I did not see
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  Speaker 4: that result coming for the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 5: Did not see that performance coming.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't as if Scott Robertson rested a bunch of players.
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  Speaker 5: I actually thought he was quite conservative.
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  Speaker 4: I would have liked to seen Kyle Preston get to
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  Speaker 4: go on the bench, maybe a Leroy Carter as well.
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  Speaker 4: But he rolled out his best team, best available, only
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  Speaker 4: made one starting change, and the performance didn't match that.
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  Speaker 5: Did it? It was?
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  Speaker 4: It was terrible, really, three yellow cards, but it just
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  Speaker 4: goes so much wider than that. They all Becks missed
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  Speaker 4: forty tackles, their composure at the death. They couldn't reel
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  Speaker 4: the Pumas in their restarts they couldn't get that going
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  Speaker 4: and they couldn't penetrate the Puma's defense, so some glaring
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  Speaker 4: issues under the high ball as well, So there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot to fix in the next two weeks before Crob
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  Speaker 4: fronting the box.
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  Speaker 5: Eden Parker isn't there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there certainly is.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to know really where to start in a
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  Speaker 3: performance as bad as that. For me, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was probably their worst performance, maybe since the twenty nineteen
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  Speaker 3: World Cup semi final against England where they just didn't
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  Speaker 3: fire a shot that night.
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  Speaker 2: It felt similarly.
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  Speaker 3: I know they had a couple of tries and they
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  Speaker 3: were at one stage leading, but that was a performance
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  Speaker 3: with virtually no positives whatsoever, and it's really hard to
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  Speaker 3: know where to start. As I said in regards to that,
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  Speaker 3: but just the probably all start the aerial contest and
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks is getting completely outdone. In the year
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  Speaker 3: Will Jordan had one of his worst nights as an
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  Speaker 3: All Black. They were targeted there, couldn't win anything aerially,
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  Speaker 3: and just really seem to battle with not only the
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  Speaker 3: aerial contest, but also restarts as an area that they
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  Speaker 3: can increasingly coming under pressure and not able to get
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  Speaker 3: clean ball off the back of it, but lost Pombers
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  Speaker 3: basically unlocked the key to the fence by hammering the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks with the aerial contest, and the All Blacks
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  Speaker 3: spilled the ball, couldn't take it cleanly on a number
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  Speaker 3: of occasions.
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  Speaker 2: It was really really poor.
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  Speaker 5: It was Elliott and this is not something new.
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  Speaker 4: We've talked about that the All Blacks issues under the
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  Speaker 4: high ball. Certainly for all of this year and probably
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  Speaker 4: going back to last year. The wingers, the selections there
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  Speaker 4: have been under the.
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  Speaker 5: Spot light, haven't they.
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  Speaker 4: I spoke to Will Jordan after the game and he said, look,
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  Speaker 4: we knew it was coming and we didn't deal with it.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not as if Piel Blacks were blindsided. The
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  Speaker 4: Pumas are a team that kick a lots, are very
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  Speaker 4: good in the air, but there's it's an area where
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  Speaker 4: there's been a rule change in recent years where you
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  Speaker 4: can't protect the jumper, can you.
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  Speaker 5: There's no blocking and that makes it a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a free for all.
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  Speaker 4: So you've got loose Ford's wingers throwing arms in and
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  Speaker 4: it makes a bit of a scrappy contest and the
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  Speaker 4: All Blacks just didn't deal with that. There were times
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  Speaker 4: also when it wasn't just the back three that kicks
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  Speaker 4: went up in the middle of the field and players
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  Speaker 4: were standing around looking at each other, and then you've
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  Speaker 4: got a case of fin Lay Christie, one of the
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  Speaker 4: smallest fokes on the field trying to leap up and
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  Speaker 4: claim the high ball. So lack of communication, lack of accuracy,
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  Speaker 4: and that's certainly an area where the spring Box targeted
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  Speaker 4: the Wallabies, and looking at the tape of field Blacks
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  Speaker 4: and the Boomers, they'll come for them hard again there
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 3: We might get into some changes or possible personnel changes
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  Speaker 3: a little bit later, but what are the immediate solutions
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  Speaker 3: do you think to fixing this aerial problem? And it's
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  Speaker 3: not as simple as just hammering aerial practice at training, surely,
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  Speaker 3: but they need to find solutions pretty quick because as
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  Speaker 3: you said that the spring Box are going to bring
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same thing. And maybe it's in the coaching
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  Speaker 3: setup where they just don't have that kind of personnel
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  Speaker 3: at the moment to be able to teach that aerial contest.
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  Speaker 3: You think of mcburn makes the kick who is part
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  Speaker 3: of that all black set up for so long AFL background,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, is there someone like him that could potentially
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  Speaker 3: come in, you know, not mcburn specifically, but someone from
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  Speaker 3: the AFL round where aerial kicking is so big and
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  Speaker 3: pressure is such a big thing, that could maybe come in.
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  Speaker 3: Or is it just a matter of hammering that high
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  Speaker 3: ball that training over the next week or so.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good point you raised. Mcburn was very specialist
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  Speaker 4: in that regard, wasn't he. I'm sure there's others they
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  Speaker 4: could well tap into. To Wayne Smith, he's in an
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  Speaker 4: advisory capacity for Scott Robertson to tap into it at
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  Speaker 4: any time. He might have some thoughts on how to
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  Speaker 4: improve that area. Look, i'd back a guy like Will
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  Speaker 4: Jordan to bounce back from that performance, but I think
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  Speaker 4: someone like a moaning Daraua is actually really good in
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  Speaker 4: the air, very skillful. But it's probably not on just
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  Speaker 4: the catcher alone. Bill Blicks need to find ways to
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  Speaker 4: You can't protect the kicker as such, but you can
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  Speaker 4: have people stationed around so when that ball does get
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  Speaker 4: slapped back, that get that hunger, get that desire to
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  Speaker 4: dive on it, to be first there to communicate well.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there are there are fixes, but it's
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  Speaker 4: an area that they desperately need to address, and for me,
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  Speaker 4: I would have Ammani Naraua coming in for sever Reese.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if lee Roy Carter is necessarily the
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  Speaker 4: answer because he's another small winger, isn't he So I
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  Speaker 4: think he would potentially be targeted there. But I think
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  Speaker 4: you're right that's is certainly in the spotlight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Look Caleb Clark can't be too far away either.
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  Speaker 3: Not sure if he were ready for South Africa as yet,
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  Speaker 3: but he's another player that is strong area.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen it a lot of times for the Blues.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be a welcome addition back to that All Blacks
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  Speaker 3: backline in terms of what he can do e really,
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  Speaker 3: which probably flows into the wings and the area that
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks just weren't able to get a lot
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  Speaker 3: out of, both distribution wise but also through meters gained
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  Speaker 3: over the course of the game. Sever Reese and Rico
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  Speaker 3: Yuwanne have been stationed there for a couple of tests
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  Speaker 3: now and really didn't have a huge influence on the game.
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  Speaker 3: Sevu was quite quiet. I think he had four carries
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  Speaker 3: in the end. Rico Yowane was similarly quiet. He had
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  Speaker 3: two carries on the night and obviously no line breaks
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  Speaker 3: between either of them, because there's only one line break
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  Speaker 3: from the All Blacks during the game. But I think
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  Speaker 3: big picture, the wings are a real issue the All Blacks,
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  Speaker 3: which flows into that aerial kicking problem as well.
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  Speaker 4: It does, and that's probably a reflection of the back
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  Speaker 4: line attack in general, isn't it. Elliott's I think there's
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  Speaker 4: As you mentioned, they're one line break, but the week
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  Speaker 4: previous when the All Blacks got a bonus point winners
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  Speaker 4: scored six tries, there was only two line brakes, So
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  Speaker 4: the back line attack is quite.
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  Speaker 5: Clunky at the moment. They're not getting the best from that.
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  Speaker 4: I think at the weekend only had about forty percent
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  Speaker 4: of the ball and what they did have was not
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  Speaker 4: on a front foot platform.
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  Speaker 5: They had vastly less.
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  Speaker 4: Post contact meters than the Pumas, who were led by
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  Speaker 4: an inspirational performance from Pablo Matela. They got some real
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  Speaker 4: pay from their big forwards punching through the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks. So yeah, I think attack in general,
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  Speaker 4: but you want your wings going looking for work as well.
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  Speaker 4: So those carry stats are quite alarming from from the
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  Speaker 4: All Black swings, aren't they.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah they are, and you're right, post contact meters is staggering.
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  Speaker 3: And these are the if you're not much of a
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  Speaker 3: rugby stats, and now these are the meters basically, once
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  Speaker 3: the first contact is initiated by the defense line, how
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  Speaker 3: many more meters you get after that? And Argentina just
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  Speaker 3: absolutely bossed the All Blacks when it came to that.
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  Speaker 2: In the game yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: The stats were quite astounding in the end, three hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ninety two post contact meters to one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty four meters carried Oney one hundred and three versus
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  Speaker 3: five hundred and thirty, which speaks to a whole back
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  Speaker 3: line issue.
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  Speaker 2: The attack was clunky.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't help that Cortez Ratzima went off in the eighteenth minute.
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  Speaker 3: Finlay Christy came on and did a serviceable job. I thought,
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  Speaker 3: probably in fact, one of the better All Blacks backs
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  Speaker 3: on that night. Don't think he's a long term answer,
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  Speaker 3: but it was just clunky, and the back line is
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  Speaker 3: seemingly just. It feels like seven individuals playing to their
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  Speaker 3: own tune, their own rhythm. At the moment, no one's leading,
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  Speaker 3: and they're basically waiting for individual moments of brilliants for
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  Speaker 3: something to happen. And that is not going to win
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  Speaker 3: too many rugby matches.
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  Speaker 5: It's not.
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  Speaker 4: And you're right, I think they are playing as individuals
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  Speaker 4: and I think one of the problems is that it
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  Speaker 4: looks to me like they're drifting quite a lot across
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  Speaker 4: the field. They need somebody to straight They needs some
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  Speaker 4: deception in terms of changes of angles and to punch
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  Speaker 4: some holes, some real direct, strong carries. And yeah, if
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  Speaker 4: you go back the previous week when they scored six tries,
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  Speaker 4: I think what's one two?
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  Speaker 5: Three of those came off the mall.
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  Speaker 4: One was an individual piece of brilliance from Will Jordan,
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  Speaker 4: so they only really created two tries. So this is
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  Speaker 4: not a new issue. I think. To be fair to
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks back line, they didn't have that front
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  Speaker 4: foot platform. They had limited ball against Argentina. But it
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  Speaker 4: is a worry because their attack is not firing and
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  Speaker 4: your Blacks are only really getting dominance in scoring points
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  Speaker 4: when they go to their set peace strength that their
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  Speaker 4: line out as a real weapon for them. Their scrum
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  Speaker 4: is still functioning very well the mall, but the back
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  Speaker 4: line is a big question mark.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look at the carries for the All Blacks,
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  Speaker 3: nine for artis a v seven each for Scott Barrett
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  Speaker 3: and Will Jordan, five for Proctor and Taylor and Takyaho,
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  Speaker 3: those numbers that are dominated by the Fords, which to
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  Speaker 3: an extent you would expect largely, but there's not enough
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  Speaker 3: carries their Publimitariy had eighteen for the Pumas and was
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  Speaker 3: getting GameLine meters every time that he carried in what
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  Speaker 3: I thought was a staggerantly good performance from the Pumas.
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  Speaker 3: Another one to touch on is the discipline, and this
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  Speaker 3: has been an issue for the All Blacks not only
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  Speaker 3: for the last eighteen months, but for basically the last
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  Speaker 3: dare I say a decade or thereabouts. Their discipline is
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  Speaker 3: playing to the rules that they think should be in
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  Speaker 3: the game, not the rules that actually are there. And
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  Speaker 3: Will Jordan, you know, changing his line yesterday sevu Reese
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  Speaker 3: with the charge down pass. I mean, I don't like
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  Speaker 3: that rule particularly much, but it was clear and obvious
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  Speaker 3: what he did there, and that's going to invite a
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  Speaker 3: yellow card there every day of the week. Two PO
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  Speaker 3: five watched on replay a couple of times now for
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  Speaker 3: what was being deemed there. I think Pablo Materia passing
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  Speaker 3: in a knockdown. I don't think Pablo was trying to
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  Speaker 3: pass it all I think may have been slightly dutted there,
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  Speaker 3: but regardless, that's two yellow cards that were fairly legal,
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  Speaker 3: three that were dished out. Penalty account was poor against
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks as well, and it's an ongoing issue
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  Speaker 3: that the All Blacks just can't get their discipline right.
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  Speaker 3: I know our colleague Greg called them dumb yesterday. What's
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  Speaker 3: your take on it.
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  Speaker 4: I think you can stomach penalties that effort plays, you know,
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  Speaker 4: trying to get a turnover, maybe pushing it off the
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  Speaker 4: line a bit quick, trying to make a tackle. But
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  Speaker 4: it's the it's the unnecessary ones, brain explosions, and Bill Blacks.
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  Speaker 5: Are self destructing at times.
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  Speaker 4: They are self sabotaging by giving away these yellow cards
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  Speaker 4: and inkbota. That's what allowed the Pumas to come back
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  Speaker 4: into the match. So Bill Blacks would have talked about it,
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  Speaker 4: they would have addressed it, and they haven't fixed it.
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  Speaker 4: Two yellow cards last week, three, this week five and
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  Speaker 4: two weeks it's far too many. Your blocks were down
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  Speaker 4: to thirteen men at one point in the first half.
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  Speaker 4: The actually managed that period really well, managed to hold
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  Speaker 4: the Pumas up and Boden Barrett made a couple of
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  Speaker 4: really telling tackles, but I think what that did that
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  Speaker 4: periods and then when Seva Reese went off, which killed
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  Speaker 4: any hopes of a comeback after SUMMERSONI Takeyaho scored. When
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  Speaker 4: you're down one man at zaps your energy and I
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  Speaker 4: think that's why the All Blacks missed well, it's partly
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  Speaker 4: why they missed so many tackles because they were having
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  Speaker 4: to scramble because they were tired, they had to go
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  Speaker 4: to their bench early. And but it is a major issue,
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  Speaker 4: isn't it, Because you can't afford to be reduced one
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  Speaker 4: man two men because the compounding issues, and you end
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  Speaker 4: up living without the ball, you end up defending long
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  Speaker 4: periods and then you're fatigued.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a vicious.
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  Speaker 2: Cycle, it is.
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  Speaker 3: And I think teams know that if you're playing the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks, you can probably bully or force them into
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  Speaker 3: making some dummyras and numb mistakes, and that's a really
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  Speaker 3: bad reputation for a team to be carrying in World rugby.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they've become basically a team we can guarantee
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  Speaker 3: that they won't play the full eighty minutes with fifteen players.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like a fairly regular occurrence that a yellow
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  Speaker 3: card will be shown, if not worse. And the worrying
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  Speaker 3: thing for me is that there doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 3: any halting to it, that doesn't seem to be going cheap.
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  Speaker 3: As we've conceded a whole bunch of yellow cards in
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  Speaker 3: the last few tests. We better fix our discipline because
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  Speaker 3: continually keeps happening, which to me speaks to a coaching issue,
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  Speaker 3: but also a personnelity players on the field that these
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  Speaker 3: lessons just aren't being learned.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this is it a leadership issue,
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  Speaker 4: an on field leadership one as much as anything else,
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  Speaker 4: because the messages not getting through. I think there was
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  Speaker 4: a clear lack of composure. You think about All Blacks
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  Speaker 4: teams of the past, and I know will rugby has
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  Speaker 4: changed to a degree. The All Blacks aren't dominant force
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  Speaker 4: they were, and test rugby is very tight among the
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  Speaker 4: top six or eight teams. But we still have every
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  Speaker 4: right to demand excellence from the all Blacks, and I
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  Speaker 4: think all Blacks teams.
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  Speaker 5: Are the past, you could count on them to come
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  Speaker 5: back and come.
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  Speaker 4: Over the top of teams that have that composure in
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  Speaker 4: the last twenty minutes to pull off great comebacks, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and when SUMMERSONI Takeyaho scored, I think there was about
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  Speaker 4: ten twelve minutes to go. That should have been the
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  Speaker 4: sign that the All Blacks were getting together.
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  Speaker 5: That they'd regained some composure.
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  Speaker 4: Momentum, and instead, what they did is they botched the finish.
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  Speaker 4: There was a couple of one maybe two lineouts where
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  Speaker 4: they got pinged for balking. It was an early jump.
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  Speaker 4: Little mistakes like that I think speak to a lack
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  Speaker 4: of composure, perhaps a lack of leadership, and I think
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  Speaker 4: that also stems into the discipline issue because there's no
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  Speaker 4: composure there and the All Blacks are being rattled.
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  Speaker 3: They are being rattled and it doesn't seem like there's
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  Speaker 3: leadership or a mentality out on the park at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Quite confusing.
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  Speaker 3: In the closing stages you might have heard it at
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  Speaker 3: the ground, but Artie sa Viller felt like he was
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  Speaker 3: doing more talking to the referee than Scott Barrett was
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  Speaker 3: in the closing stages of the game, despite Barrett still
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  Speaker 3: being out on the park and being the All Blacks captain,
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  Speaker 3: didn't seem like there was as you said once they
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  Speaker 3: scored that try and got back to closing the gap
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  Speaker 3: to within six points, that the All Blacks, you know,
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  Speaker 3: could just PLoP their way on the field. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: in some games it was a certain this is going
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  Speaker 3: back a decade or thereabouts, but a certain inevitability that
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks were going to score and find their
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: way out of tough spots. That inevitability is completely gone
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  Speaker 3: now from the All Blacks, that if they find themselves
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  Speaker 3: in tough spots, they're more likely to lose the game
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: than they are to wriggle their way out of any trouble.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And it's funny.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I was watching the game twenty fifteen World Cup, the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: All Blacks first game against funnily enough, Argentina. They played
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: at Wimbley on that occasion, and the All Blacks did
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: some dumb shit during that game as well. We saw
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Richie mccaor yellow carded for a foot trip in that game,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: which is a very rare moment for him. Conrad Smith
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: went off as well in the first wall this is
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: being replayed on Sky a couple of weeks ago, and
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: the Puma's lead, but they just settle things down after
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: halftime and the All Blacks found their way just you know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: methodically finding their way around the park, didn't put themselves
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: under any more pressure once they didn't have to, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: took their opportunities smartly once they got into the closing stages.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: We just don't see that from the All Blacks team
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: at the moment.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: And then it's that clinicalness, the ability to come over
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: top of teams and take your opportunities. How many times
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: have we heard Scott Robinson talk about a lack of
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: execution or not finishing chances. That's been a common theme
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: of his era that we haven't seen amended or come
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: to fruition. Boden Barretts missed three kicks which proved telling.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Two of them were from the sideline, but one penalty
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: that he would expect to throw over. He was replaced
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: of twenty five minutes remaining. I think it was Damien
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: McKenzie came on and slotted that sideline conversion up Takeyoho scored.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: So a bit of a question mark around the goalkicking,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: but that does stem into taking those chances, because if
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: kicks those goals, then maybe the All Blacks go on
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and win that match.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the mental skills is an interesting
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: one as well. I know they've got Kerry Evans in
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: there at the moment, but Gilbert and Oke. Back when
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: he was in the team, it was talked about the
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: the redhead and the blue and if you're in the red,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: not a good suppose to be and players would have
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: their different signals to basically get themselves out of that
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: move back into the blue. I think it was Kiaran
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Reid looked at the furthest point of the stadium and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: found where he could center himself and get back to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: clear thinking. When other teams, you know, the Warriors and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: other teams you know, do the whole breathing exercises, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: it seems like the All Blacks at this era live
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: in the reds more often than they do live in
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the blue.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: To use that analogy.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a fair point.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: That speaks to the discipline, the inability to sort of
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: come back, I mean to be fair.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Look, they did pull themselves out of.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: A hole the previous week in Caboda with two late
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: mal tries, but.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: The second half fades.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: The back end of matches were a major issue last
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: year and we're seeing common themes, common trends that the
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: All Blacks aren't able to fix week to week, So
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: they've got a lot to do in two weeks and
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think there'll be a lot of anxiousness, a lot
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of nerves because we all know what's coming next. The
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: spring Boxs aren't at their best, but that Eden Park
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: record Scots will be desperate to preserve that because losing
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: to Argentina and Argentina been coaching the first All Black
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: team to do that, and for the players involved, that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: will really cut them deep.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk a bit about selections next week on
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the podcast as we build into that game, but probably
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a good opportunity to talk about bigger picture All Blacks
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: selections now. The team for Buenos AIDI is to me
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: felt very conservative. We touched on that a little bit
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: earlier on You touched on a little bit earlier in
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: terms of the personnel that he took abroad and then
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: decided not to play in Buenos Aires. Went with the
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: best team approach. The question I've got for you now,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Liam is that we perceived that as their best team,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: but is it actually the All Blacks best team and
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: players basically they're tenured because there are reluctance to basically
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: change things up and move away from the conservative approach.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Well, I think there's big selection questions earlier.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I think we will see Wallace a tit and Tomighty
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Williams go back into that starting team. Wallace made a
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: real impact off the bench. I wasn't overly impressed. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: think with Simon Parker on debut it's hard in a
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: team performance that was well below par where most people
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: in that team struggled. But there was a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: hype around Simon Parker wasn't there his size. Gil Blacks
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: had talked about him a lot. They wanted to get
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: him involved in July. I didn't think we saw a
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: huge impact from him, So I think Wallace goes back
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: into number eight. The Wings needs a serious look. You
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: mentioned Caleb Clark. I think the All Blacks need him back.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: He's big, he's great in the air. I would like
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to see Leary Carter get a crack Ammonia Narawa as well.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: The balance of the midfield hasn't come to fruition. Billy
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Proctor has struggled with a step up to Test rugby.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: I'm a big advocate for him after what he did
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: in Super rugby, but hasn't quite stepped up yet.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And then half back is a major issue because Bill
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Blacks are really missing Cam Rugard. Neat's compounded again without
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Noah Hope from there, and then we don't know how
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: long Cortez Arsma is out for now, so we could
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: very well have a situation where Finlay Christi who a
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: big issue for me around his game is his box kicking.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: It's quite inaccurate and it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Could very well have a situation where he's starting yet
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Eden Park against the Springboks.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Could well do.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Kyle Preston can kick off both feet, so I'll be
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: looking at him. This has been floating around a little
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: bit and I justin Marshall suggested it and it was
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: very much tongue in cheek. But with the three half
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: backs that were originally selected now injured, we don't have
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: long quarters right is out injured for Is this where
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you can pull a trigger and go Aaron Smith playing
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: in Japan, call him in until the All Blacks top
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: three half backs are back to full fitness. Now I'm
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: throwing flying a kite essentially here, But is this where
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: maybe the rules need to be bent a little bit
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and go We have got an injury crisis. We know
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that someone's played one hundred plus tests for our country.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Here do we give him a call? He hasn't played
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: rugby in a few months. But is he the kind
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: of player that you bring into the setup. You know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: given the lack of top quality options that are there
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: for the All.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Blacks, I don't doubt that Aaron Smith would come in
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: and do a great job.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: He's been there, he's done that. But personally I don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: like it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I think you should work with what you have and
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: promote the next generation, expose them if it's a bit
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: of a sink or swim moment for some and you're
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: going to be getting those guys back. We don't know
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: whether camro Regard is going to be fit for the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: spring box yet. No hope them is a bit longer term.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: So look, there is depth at halfback. It's just as
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: you say, it's a bit of a crisis in one area.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: But I don't think a stopgap measure is what the
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: All Blacks should be looking to do.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: But I think stop gap is the same with Finlay Christie.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He's not the long term answer for the All Blacks either,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: So shouldn't you go right?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: We need to win these.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Two Test matches against South Africa. Who's the bloke that
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: has won the All Blacks a number of Test matches
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: through his career, Aaron Smith. I mean, I don't see
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: the issue with it. I don't think it sets It
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: sets a precedent in a little way, but I think
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: there's a needs must scenario here that going Aaron Smith,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Finlake Christy, who would you rather have in the mix?
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It's a no brainer, isn't it? Your dave Aaron Smith?
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Every day of the week. But it does seem like
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: you're pushing panic buttons a week but by you know
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: the rules and changing things up to just to try
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and sort things for such.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: A pace of time.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: So my personal I think you should reward those who
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: are playing in New Zealand rugby.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: But I totally see your points.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Look Aaron Smith, I think he would make a real
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: impact on this team, and if it was a choice
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: between him and Findlay Christie, I don't think you'd find
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: too many people that would pick Finly.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Just finally, before we move on and touch on some
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: rugby the rugby topics, Liam Boden Barrett as he saw
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the guy at ten for you for the All Blacks
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to lead them into this the South African Games.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Well, it's an interesting question because I think Bowden has
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: performed well this year, but and he was good on defense,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: but that wasn't his best performance, and he's got to
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: assume some responsibility for the struggles of their attack, not solely.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: But look, I think if you asked Amen McKenzie, he'd
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: be pushing hard for a start. I can't see Scott
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Robtson pulling that lever for the spring box.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: What about you, Well, I think he's the guy by
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: default at the moment. Boden. I look kicking yesterday. I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: don't know whether you had an injury.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: It was heavily strapped around his knees, Whether he was
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: carrying an injury, and maybe that was the reason for
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: the goal kicking.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're picking knits here because I don't think
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the All Blacks anyone stood out really from that performance.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: So immediately attention Zero's and on the ten and the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: impact they had in the game, But they didn't get
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the front football that they needed necessarily. But I just
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: think they've kind of restricted themselves a little bit by
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the options they've got there. I don't think they're going
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: to put Reuben Love in at Tea in a test
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: match like that. They went to McKenzie last year and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: have gone away from him again, so Boden Barrick kind
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: of has the jersey by default at the moment. I mean,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be against them re selecting the squad for
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: South Africa and making some tweaks and maybe looking at
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a Josh Jacob potentially.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's a finished product, but I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: someone like him coming in putting pressure on mckenzy and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Barrett can only be a good thing, and Love as
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: well can only be a good thing in the environment
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: at the moment, and putting some heat on the incumbents
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel like there's enough heat coming on
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: those players. I mean, the selections are consistent, which is
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: a worrying thing. And this story about whole team now
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and you look at the All Blacks and they've become
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: almost like the Black Caps to an extent of some
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: areas gone by, where they're almost playing by default and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: playing on reputation, and maybe they need to get away
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: from that a little bit and bringing some new faces
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: just to put a little bit of heat on those
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: players there as the incumbents.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there will certainly be a bit of heat in
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: that environment over the next two weeks when I can
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: imagine Scott Robertson will be very edgy that that Eden
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Park records is something that's treasured throughout New Zealand rugby.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And we saw it last year when after the All
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Blacks lost to the Pumas and Wellington and the following
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: week they played the Pumas at Eden Park and he
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: had planned to give guys like Billy Procter and others
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: game time and didn't went away from that plan, went
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: back to experience to preserve that Eden Park record. So
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: they'll be acutely aware of the need to preserve that
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and they'll be acutely aware that the Springboks have probably
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: circled that match on the rugby calendar a long way.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: It will be their biggest match of the season two Well.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Indeed, we'll get into that more next week here on
• 29:00
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• 29:13
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• 29:24
  Speaker 3: You're back with rugby to wrecked on how to get
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: into a few final four topic. Let's change direction and
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: the Black Ferns and Spain. The Black Fan's kicking off
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the Women's Rugby World Cup with a comprehensive victory overnight,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: getting the job done pretty comfortably against Spain. I think
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: from a Black fan's perspective, Liam they racked up fifty
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: four points. They can see that just the try at
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the very very end of the game when they were
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: reduced to thirteen with a couple of injured players. So
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty content to say job done from the Black
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Ferns in the opening game. Those injuries are worrying though,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Copo Olsen Baker looks to be the most concerning. You'd
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: expect probably her to play some of the Burger games
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and start those bigger games can with a bench and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: was in so I'd be worried about that. So other
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: than that though, good start from the Black Fans too.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Are the World Cup campaign?
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to tick that box and I guess shake
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: off a few nerves and run up a bit of
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a score. Yeah, a couple of injury setbacks there, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I saw a few tweets around Georgia Miller certainly announcing
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: herself to the global stage.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: You know, we've known what an athlete.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: She is on the seventh circuit and now coming into
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: the fifteens game. I think she only played forty minutes
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: and really lit up that match, So what a talent
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: she is.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they've got Japan coming up next week. The
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: concern I'd have around this Woman's World Cup is a
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: lot of blowouts in the opening round and it feels
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: like World Rugby have jumped the gun and expanded this
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: far too quickly, from twelve teams to sixteen. Closest game
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: on the opening weekend was twenty four points. Now, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: know the men's World Cups had a few blowouts through
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the years as well, but I didn't think it was
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: a great advertisement for the women game to have so
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: many blowouts on the opening weekend. As I said, closest
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: game twenty four points, which was France beating Italy.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you have blowouts in the men's game
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: as well, But yeah, I think you're probably right that
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: will rugby has gone too early the women's game doesn't
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: have the same depth in terms of you know, strong
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: competing nations. Even the Wallaroos, you know, put it ran
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: up a score on Samoa. So this tournament's always going
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: to build, isn't it as you get to the knockout rounds?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: But I can understand the willingness to try and grow
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: the game. But blowouts doesn't necessarily draw and people, does it?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Topic number two Wallabies and the spring Box. We talked
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a lot about, obviously the All Blacks in Argentina in
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the first half of the podcast, but some context around
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the spring Box and the Wallabies.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Good bounce back.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: We're not great probably from the spring box, but they
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: dead enough in muddy conditions in Cape Town to take
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: that box and get back to one win, one loss
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: in the championship.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Well, the Rugby Championships wide open, isn't it, Elliott? For
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: all four teams with one win? So it's gonna be
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: a fascinating tournaments.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I agree. I wasn't impressed by the spring Box at all.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: They went back to type, recalling Andre Pollard, Damien Delende
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and a couple of others as well. Cheers on Colby
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and it very much was type a spring box. They
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: kicked a lot, they dominated the aerial battle Ebanez that
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: scored a late try.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: But I was very impressed by the Wallabies.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, they're down on troops and a
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: few more injuries there. They lost their captain Harry Wilson
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the previous week, but they were unlucky not to win
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: that game. James o'connomiss a couple of kicks. They had
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: one try ruled out in the first half. I think
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: it was Andrew Callaway made a tackle on a Pollard
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: and was ruled to have knocked the ball on and
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: late in the match I thought they should have been
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: given a yellow card. I think it was the spring
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: box fullback was holding on, clearly fussy, clearly holding on
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: and that was a blatant cynical yellow cards and that
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: was missed. So I thought they were really hard done
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: by on that occasion. So a really gutsy performance. You know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: the Wallaby's lost a lot of backs in that match,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Sue Lee among the others, so they were really stretched,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: their depth tested and just it's.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Been a great tour for them and I think coming
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: out of.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: The British and Irish Lions series has really helped them
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and that they could have easily won that match.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They could have.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Would you expect Pollard to start at ten at eden
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Park next Saturday.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Night, Yes, yes I would. I think he's their guy. Well,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: for me, he's a sure. He's not the Pollards of
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: yester year, the guy that used to challenge the line
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: and break the line.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: He was a brilliant, strong running ten.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: But he's still the guy that will kick all your
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: kicks and he had one crossfield kick to set up
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: a try as well, so he's very reliable. He's experienced
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and I think everyone will expect that Eden Park tests
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: to be tight and goalkicking could be massive and I
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: think the spring Ups will stick with Pollard for that match.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Topic number three in the Final four the New Zealand
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Rugby Union that's about twenty years old. In New Zealand
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Rugby and sky TV, I don't even called the sky
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: TV anymore. They're probably called sky in New Zealand, in
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Zidar and sky Let's three phrase that have signed off
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  Speaker 3: their five year broadcast. Steel as we know, pumps a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money into the sport. Not a surprise that
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  Speaker 3: they've linked up again.
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  Speaker 2: With Sky.
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  Speaker 3: There was a wee bit of chat around design potentially
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  Speaker 3: coming in maybe some overseas players Amazon Prime you know,
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  Speaker 3: were mentioned in dispatches very early on in the process.
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  Speaker 3: But not a huge surprise that this deal has been resigned.
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  Speaker 3: But there are a couple of things there. The TV
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  Speaker 3: and Z part, with the all of the NPC being
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  Speaker 3: broadcast on TVNZ plus some on TV and Z one
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  Speaker 3: is more than maybe people expected. And they've also ring
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  Speaker 3: finced five games as well that can be played outside
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  Speaker 3: the Sky deal for the All Blacks for the Black
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  Speaker 3: Ferns over the next few years. So leam, what's your
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  Speaker 3: take on this contract being finally signed off.
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  Speaker 4: I think first and foremost is the money. It's quite
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  Speaker 4: a significant reduction. It's about seventy five to eighty million,
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  Speaker 4: down from about one hundred million, so you know, less
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: money in the koffers, but that is expected to be
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: made up by the revenue sharing arrangement from the Nation's Championship,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: or at least partly made up, so it shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: too much of a shortfall there. I was surprised with
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: the TVNZ element, just given Sky's recent acquisition of three
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  Speaker 4: I thought if there was going to be a freeware
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  Speaker 4: component that it might come via that avenue.
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  Speaker 5: But look, I think it's a win win.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a great result for the NPC to
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  Speaker 4: reach more viewers and it's a great result for rugby
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  Speaker 4: to be you know, not behind, not totally behind the paywall.
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  Speaker 4: I think more exposure the better, and I think the
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: NPC is the right level of the game for that.
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  Speaker 5: What's your big takeaways? What about the the.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Up to five All Black tests that punters may have
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  Speaker 4: to pay for outside of the Sky subscription.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting to me and I wonder. I mean
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: this is these are the you know, the cut aways
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Cup tests of twenty three before the World Cup between
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the All Blacks and South Africa at Twickenham, it's the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Chicago Test presumably later in the year. It's other ones
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  Speaker 3: that fall outside that nation's Cup framework, the Sansar framework
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  Speaker 3: that basically party come to Indida and we will have
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  Speaker 3: something there. So in theory you could have you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Crown Prince Muhammad bin Saman from Sadi Arabia going we
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: want the All Blacks and the spring Box to play
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  Speaker 3: a test and read and it's going to be on
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  Speaker 3: Netflix worldwide and here's the feet that would allow New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby to sign up for that without worrying about
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the Sky deal that they have in the back seat.
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  Speaker 3: So for me, it's probably the way that world Sport's
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: going and getting some of these exclusive deals on platforms, etc.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it'll sit too well with the casual
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: fan that maybe has to shell out for an extra
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: subscription or an extra servers just so they can watch
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you might find that viewership is down
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  Speaker 4: for those matches because some people won't pay. You'll have
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a generation of people that aren't as technology savvy who
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: maybe don't have Amazon Prime or The Zone or or
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: whatever avenue that does come on. So it will be
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  Speaker 4: interesting to see how that works. But from New Zealand
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  Speaker 4: Rugby's perspective, you can understand them wanting some flexibility, wanting
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: an avenue to rake in some extra cash, and look,
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  Speaker 4: I think on the whole it's a good arrangement. Sky
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: does a good job broadcasting and most New Zealanders who
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: watch Rugby have Sky and then you can watch provincial
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  Speaker 4: rugby on TVNZ, so it's only a couple of games
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  Speaker 4: that you might have to pay for over the course
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  Speaker 4: of that deal.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And final topic in the final four. Didn't flag this
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  Speaker 3: one with you, Liam, But the NPC, what on earth
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: is going on with Wellington? Belted by munterwork two thirty
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  Speaker 3: eight twenty eight At one point it was thirty eight
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  Speaker 3: fourteen from memory in that game or thirty eight, Yes,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: it was thirty eight fourteen, one win from four games.
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  Speaker 3: They've got Auckland this week, who pretty hapless themselves.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on to you? What's happening to your lines?
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  Speaker 5: He didn't. It's nicely not to flag that one with me.
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  Speaker 4: Look, it's great that we put that the Jersey on
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  Speaker 4: the line last year and not this year.
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  Speaker 5: So yes, not too sure what's what's.
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  Speaker 4: Going on in the capital there, but yeah, some of
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: the bigger unions really strogging out there. I think that
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Northland tipped up Auckland and the battle of the actual
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: the top of the North Island in general is not
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: going very well in the NPC, so I'm pretty happy
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: for man Or two. It's nice to see some of
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: the smaller unions they have their time in the sun.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they really enjoyed getting one up on big brother.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why Kattow taking the Ranfilly Shield as well and
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: really looking forward to wayto losing to Southland this weekend,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: so unbeaten Canterbury can get a shield challenge against the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Stags the following weekend in Viicago.
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  Speaker 2: That would work out quite nice.
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  Speaker 3: And it got quite well before the All Black scaming
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  Speaker 3: Eden Park South and Canterbury four h five. Canterbury take
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  Speaker 3: the shield, then the game at eden Park. Who says no, well.
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  Speaker 4: We'll Saine Harvey, good Fox and boy playing for the
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  Speaker 4: Southland Stags making.
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  Speaker 5: His debut a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: My second or third favorite team, mishear Elliott, so I'd
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: be happy for them to take the shield and then
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: retain it against Canterbury.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: That'll go quite nicely.
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  Speaker 3: Right enough for that, Thank you very much, Liam. We
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: appreciate your time as always, safe travels back home. Look
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: forward to seeing you next week as we build into
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: what is a big test and probably is only just
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: got bigger given the context of the last fortnight for
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the All Blacks in South Africa.
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  Speaker 5: As indeed, can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: Vamos We will see you next week.
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