Latest / The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views / What's Wrong With The Eagles Offense? (PST Episode 638)

Transcript

What's Wrong With The Eagles Offense? (PST Episode 638) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

• 0:42
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, twelve
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: years strong. Got a great show coming your way this week.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Warren here of my buddy Eric Leonard Bender
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: known as Jackson. How are you, buddy boy?
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: How you doing?
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing all right. Look,
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: I you know, we're gonna certainly be getting into the
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Phillies here. We're gonna be getting into some Sixers talk
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: as well, some Eagles talk on this show. But man,
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: I'm still like, I'm still so bummed about this Phillies
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: freaking team. But I mean, we're gonna get it. We're
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: gonna get into it in a bit. Look, I know,
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like all over the place right off the bat
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: here you and I were looking at concerts to go to.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: There's some good death metal stuff coming around.
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: Whitechapel. Yes, who else do we talk about? Death Angel?
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: Yes? I know, I'm all over the place here. So
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: we're recording this on Wednesday.
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: I guarantee this audience is like, oh cool, nice, Yes,
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: Hi Simon pretty much yet.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: Probably Yes, our good friend from Australia has been listening
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: to us for like twelve years that we've been doing.
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: The only guy I can think of it be into this.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, talk, my gosh, we got to get to a show.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm tired of being so busy all the time.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I'm running my kids all around. I mean, I'm doing
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: dad stuff, right, I'm doing dad stuff that I need
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: to be doing. But man, I just want to go
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: to a show. I just want to see some live music.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till this election's over. Like I just said,
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I'm all over the place here, I really am. Yeah.
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I shipped a kid off to college a
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: few months ago, two months whatever it was, and I
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: thought like everything would like slow down. But my son's
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: sports schedule and everything else, and now he has friends, yeah,
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: and he can hate. I'm driving around more than I
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: ever did. But then I realized, like, my daughter had
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: my car for a year there take care of her.
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: So and plus we're dealing with old parents. We talked
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: about that for the show. That's That's fun. It was
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: fun for guys trying to raise a family and deal
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: with deal with our elderly parents.
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: The children parents, yes, yeah, their children, Yes, they are the.
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: Kind of Art's like I can't get the thing from
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: the top shelf. Can you take me to the doctor?
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: Then tis like, oh my god, my cheery house.
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was eight, I was like, I can't
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: reach that. Can I take me to the doctor. It's
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: it's all reverse.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: So well, we're gonna be getting together this Saturday. It's
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be cool to hang out. You got your fantasy
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: basketball draft right around the corner here, man, I right
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: at your house. I can't wait. It's gonna be a
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: great time. Hopefully I won't draft Joel Embiid again in
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: the second round.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: We just saved for the show. I can't wait whoever
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: takes him, because we're all gonna laugh. It's just gonna be.
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: He's ranked like we talked about, He's rank like fifty
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: to fifty five. Oh gosh in the fantasy rankings. Oh my,
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: it's gotta be a Lewis since he's a rookie. It's
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: so bad. But this will make you happy.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: I'm making me my famous bacon blue cheeseburgers.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, I know, four, Yeah, make me four of them.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make like twenty paddies because I know you guys.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, a bunch of animals. There's a meat around, I
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: go crazy.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: There's bacon in there and cheese.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Ah, it's gonna be a fun time.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. I can't. Hopefully I have a
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: better team than I did last year. I'm not kidding
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: that that that pick, that Joe ellenb pick of mine.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: I think it was the second round, it was second
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: or third round. That was a killer man, that like
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: killed me.
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: Who'd you pick in the first round? I think it
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't great Haliburton, Yeah yeah, okay, but he missed like
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: twenty games did yes, yeah, and then you follow it
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: up with him be barely yeah, yeah, a rough one.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: It was terrible. It's the reason why I was at
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel.
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: Don't take Haliburton this year. I'm telling you right now.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: Toy's Achilles in the final.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: So I thought I was making a joke. I should
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: have said anything.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot.
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: I would have I would have like put him up
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: in the top ten, like somehow you'd be like, oh.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: I still got to do some research here, Okay, I'm
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: still on still on this. You know this downslide here
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: with the Phillies. So you know, why don't we why
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: don't we get into it here? Let's first get into
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: some listener feedback that we got this week from one
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: of our longtime listeners, Francis here. He uh, he was
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: a bit enraged by the by the Phillies, and the
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: subject of his email to us here Philadelphia Sports Table
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, by the way, was four fucking
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: hits and he spelled fucking with pH said.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: I read this like four times.
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: I know it's a great one. It's a great email,
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: it really is. He just started. He doesn't even start
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: off greeting us. He usually greets us, you know, you know, no,
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: no time for that. He just said, same shit, different postseason.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: What will our position players do this offseason to improve
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: their plate discipline? Nothing like they do every postseason. Maybe
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: blame the fans a bit. I like that one made.
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: I love that he didn't even put an exclamation point
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: for nothing exactly, nothing nothing exactly.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: We can't truly pay Ranger and Schwerber, but need both
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: only hope that maybe Rangers' injury history dissuades other suitors,
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe Kyle rejects a higher team's offer for something familiar
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: and then in quotes, I get paid to hit Baseball's
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: Nick Castiano's fucking JIBBRONI what what a waste? I hate everything.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: That's probably my favorite line. I hate everything and that.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: But he does actually say thanks for doing the pod
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: as always Francis, So thanks Francis. We appreciated the email.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: This is a good one to read through. It really was,
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: and he's not wrong. He's not wrong with this stuff too.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: For fucking hits.
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: Come on, I love Jabroni. I would have went Hamm
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: and ager, but that's my own personal preference. Jabbroni is
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: very fitting because Castianos is kind of a meathead. So
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: I have no arguments. Yes, a will proof, you know
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: those tables like prove me wrong or whatever. You can't
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: you hit every every bullet point, Francis, So thank you.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: You know I got I got into it on the
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: table talk show this week with our friend John Jansen
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: from Fox Sports Phillies The Gambler, and we were talking
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: about the Phillies what the off season may look like,
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, we Eric, we still haven't talked about this,
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I actually as
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: terrible as a flub and blunder as it was from
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: Arian Kirkering. It really does come down to what Francis
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: was just saying, only four fucking hits, Like it comes
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: down to your top guys on this team not coming
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: through during the postseason, Schwarber, Harper and Turner, And you know,
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: it's a good segue into you know what we're going
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: to see this coming off season from this team. Look,
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: Rob Thompson, we know he's coming back, it's official, but
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: there absolutely need to be changes to this Phillies team
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: next year, and like what should those changes be. There's
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: so many rumors floating around and a lot of folks
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: like us are dissecting what it could be and what
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: type of team we are going to see. Could actually
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: see Trey Turner, like I was talking to John Jansen
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: on the Table Talk interview show go back and listen
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: to it. I could see them trying to move Trey
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: Turner to get that contract off the books. I can
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: also see Bryson Stott not being around, Alec Boem not
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: being around. You know, we could have an entire new outfield.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: What's gonna happen with Ranger and Kyle Schwarber and maybe
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: maybe we start there because you're talking about big contracts
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: that need to be signed or that fans want to
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: be signed. I think I think they're gonna try to
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: really bring Schwarber back, and I think they're gonna let
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: Ranger walk because I think Ranger is gonna be way,
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: way too expensive. That's just my initial gut reaction. What
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts with regard to those two guys there,
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, like I think,
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: like the money the Phillies are gonna want to spend,
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be one or the other.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, there's so many there's so many options here. Yeah, right,
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: is your question specifically specifically about Schwarber and Ranger?
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, why don't we get into them first, like the
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: big type of resign, like a big type of resign.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Should they resign Ranger or Schwarber? Because I'm feeling at
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: this point that from a financial standpoint, they're probably gonna
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: do one or the other.
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: This is gonna sound like blasphemy, but I would I
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: think keeping Rangers like the bigger deal.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: It's just I Schwarber was amazing last year, but he
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: does play a position where I think you could moneyball
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit and bring somebody in or even promote
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: somebody to that or move them to that position where
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: you can get like seventy to seventy five percent of
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: what Shoorber did last year.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: Schwarber is gonna be thirty three. Next year, it's.
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: Gonna be thirty three. And I think, if you, if you,
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: if you offered him a four year contract with heavy
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: on the money, obviously because it's only four years, and
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: he accepts that, awesome, that I go ahead and go
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: ahead and run with that. But if he demands five
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: or six more, I think I would let him walk, yeah,
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: and put and put my attention on to Rangers Suarez
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: because I'm seeing I'm bringing I have up the list
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: of of free agents for for next year, and the
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: top four pitchers or Chris Sale who's thirty seven years old, Okay,
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: Dylan Cee is thirty years old, Franbervaldez thirty two, who
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: gets hurt a lot, and then Suarez is the fourth
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: ranked one with a seven point five war He's only
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: thirty years old. The way he pitches doesn't matter if
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: he's thirty years old. I think he's actually the more important,
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: Okay player to keep out of the two because you
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: know that the Phillies were in those Dodgers games because
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: of the pitching, you know what I mean, Yeah, they
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: couldn't hit the damn ball. And I know letting Schwarbor
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: walk creates a concern there hitting wise, but I think
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: you have to maintain that solid pitching chord. You know,
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: if and Wheeler comes back next year, Sanchez comes back,
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: hopefully exactly, and if he doesn't come back and you
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: let Ranger walk, then you're screwed. And the amount of
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: fans from other teams I've seen saying go after Suarez,
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: go after Suarez, go after Like I saw an Astro's
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: account today on Twitter say he's the guy. To pinpoint,
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: I saw someone from the Diamondbacks, this is the guy
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: we should go after, And I'm just like, I think,
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: if you look at that list, he is probably higher.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: The smart teams are probably looking at that going he's
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: the guy to pinpoint, like, he's only thirty, you have
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: another solid three to four years out of him as
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: a as a legit starter. Yeah, he gets some better
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: shape and you know, stays healthy. But I honestly, my
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: my thing is like and I'm I'm going to like
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: launch off of Francis's email. I think you'll let Shoreber
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: walk if it doesn't take the four year you focus
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: on Ranger. I think you go heavy, heavy, heavy after
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: the kid from Japan that everyone's talking about. Oh yeah,
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: Mirror Kami. He's twenty five, twenty six, just blasts home
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: run he had. He had a couple of home runs
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: against Team USA a couple of years back when they
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: played in the whatever those games were, and he was
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: so impressive. He plays third base. Yeah, there's your move
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: of Alec Bohm. You know, if you could get him,
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: and the Phillies are worried about money, you're gonna open
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: yourself up to a whole new marketing like Floodgate the market,
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I know the Dodgers are going to go
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: after him, Heavies, the sort of the Yankees. I think
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: the Phillies got a step and finally get step up
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: and finally get one of these guys, you know, like
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: when Otani came over, and you know, the Dodgers seemed
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: to get all of them. I think the Phillies really
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: got to enter that market, and not just again for
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: because he's so talented and you could fill fill in
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: a third base. But like like I said, if you
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: read Francis, there's two things. If read Francis his email,
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be a malaise here with the fan base
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: if you start to bring the same team back again
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, I know they'll be excited at first,
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: but I think they're going to start to be like,
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: we need to re energize this thing. And I think
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: bringing in someone like him and again financially opening up
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: that market to Asia, yeah, offset some of the costs
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: of that as well. Yeah, I think I think you
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: go after Suarez. I think you go after this kid,
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: and I think you go after Kyle Tucker. If you
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: can spend a month.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, get see and these moves that you're talking about.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: Is one of the reasons why I believe that they
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: may be in the market to trade Trey Turner, because look,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: the Phillies have the sixth largest payroll commitment for next season.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: It's one hundred and seventy point two million dollars total,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: and then eight players under contract. Zach Wheeler's making forty
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: two million next year, Harper's twenty seven point five. Turner
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: is twenty seven point two. Okay, you've also got Taiwan
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Walker's making eighteen, Castianus at twenty. I'm not going to
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: go through all of them, but if you're able to
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: move that twenty seven point two mil with Turner and
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: just that that huge contract he has basically until two
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: thousand and seventy eight, the year two thousand and seventy eight,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be here for a long time. I think
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: it gives the Phillies some flexibility. Do I want to
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: lose Tray Turner necessarily No, but I'd like him to
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: have some flexibility to do some of the things you're
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this might be blasphemous, especially considering Francis's email
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: as well. Maybe you keep Castianos around for that last
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: year of his contract and make him the DH if Shwoarward.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: If Shwoarbard disappears, Yeah, he'd be in a contract year.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: All he'd be asked to do is hit. You want
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: have to stick him with his awful glove out and
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: right field. If you got a guy like Tucker, he's
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: your right fielder. Now put Crawford in center field. God
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: knows what you do and left. Yeah, and then get
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: the kid from Japan, move Alec Baum and then, like
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I said, may Castianos the DH that's like and re
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: assigned ranger. Like you come back with the same pitching,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: same like same, pretty much the same pitching lineup as
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: last year. You kind of you have like a revitalized
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: batting order. Yeah, with what we did now, the problem
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: is we haven't mentioned real Muto yet. I don't know
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: what the hell to do with him because it's another
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: couple of mill Yeah, you got to say this guy.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I again, I'm okay if he walks, I know, he's
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: all they have at catcher. I feel like they're one
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: of the few teams in baseball that has no catching prospects. Yeah,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: the team seems to have one guy. We have nothing.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Garrett Stubbs isn't going to do do it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's cute that he wears the overalls and
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: he drinks beer, but like he's not an everyday starter.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So they have a lot of they have some flexibility
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: with those contracts.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Man, the Aaron.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Nola contract, he's making twenty five next year and he's
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: signed through twenty thirty. Oh yeah, that's.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: A rough one. He's going to be on the team.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: He's going to be on the team. Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But again, if you can't get Schwarber re signed, Ranger,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: go after the Japanese kid, and then you know, go
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: after Tucker and then go from there. You gotta do.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: You have to have at least three spots in your
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: lineup that are completely different than last year. Yeah, to
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: again revitalize because you're you're you're tempting the fates of
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: having a board fan base.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, God forbid.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: You come in next year and you're like twenty and
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: twenty and seventeen the first like month and a half, Yeah,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: and it looks like the same shit on the field,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: and people are gonna be like, oh my god, Okay,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you're gonna start see attendance a little bit, you know
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like they got they gotta do something different.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: They do They've how many years if they tried it
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: with this crew, you know, and we are seeing these
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: same results. I have loved watching this crew, really, I
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: have loved watching it. First round By this year they
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: earned it during the regular season. It was a fun
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: regular season. Last year, First round By they earned it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Last year it was I mean, they earned it kind
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of by the skin of their teeth. September last year
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: was rough. But this crew has been fun to watch
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: in general. But they're not getting to the next level
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: where they need to be and where we expect them
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: as a fan base. They're not getting it done.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Like can I can I just read you real quick
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: that my idea of putting castianis in the DH if
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: if things work out the way they you know in
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: my head. So your your top DH your top designated
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: hitters in free agency this year, Schwar was number one,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Marcella Zuna is thirty five, Jack Peterson thirty four, McCutchen,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: who's forty. Jesus he'll be forty next season.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah crap.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: If you put Castianos in that list, he's probably number
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: two or three, right behind Ozuna, probably for the DH list,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I mean honestly, yeah, I know there's a huge swath
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: of our fan base who listens is like, shut the
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: fuck up exactly. We hate casting out. I've said on
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the show. I don't hate him at all.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I know either do I.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: But his thing was I want to play every day. Awesome,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: you can play every day, You're just not gonna be
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: in the field. Yeah, all you focus on is hitting
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you're gonna be a contract year you're like thirty years old.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's actually a good spot for him in
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: the Phillies. If they did that, it's a good thought.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if Shorber wants.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: An exuber amount of money, I think that's what.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's the We're going to get at least
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: thirty million a year, and that's like the thing, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like it's I just don't know. I don't know would
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: he take four years one hundred and twenty when he
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: could probably get five and one seventy five somewhere else?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure he could.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know. Oh man, Well, we're
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: gonna continue talking about this Phillies team and what it's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: going to look like, decisions the front office is going
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to be making as we continue to move along here
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: at the PST podcast Show in the future. So we
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: are going to take a break here and we're gonna
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: be back in just a bit. But first, like and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: subscribe to us if you are on the socials out there,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: specifically YouTube, like and subscribe, hit the bell to be
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: notified and we post new videos. And also you can
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: like our social sites as well. You can like us
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: out there and follow us and try to interact with
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: us if you want. If you're watching on YouTube, you
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: see the sites right here. We are on Instagram, Twitter,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: slash x, I'm over on TikTok where we got Facebook threads,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Blue Sky. It's all there. So we're gonna take a break,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and when we come back, we're gonna be get into
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: some Sixers talk, not necessarily with the team itself, more
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: nostalgia that we're gonna be seeing this coming season. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: then we got a ton of Eagles talk because this
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: team has lost two in a row. Can they rebound
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: from this? So here's a break. We'll be back in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: just a bit. All right, we are back, and Eric,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: let's get into this. Phil, what's wrong?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Can you hear the crickets down here?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: All the down there? But let me hear a little
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: tiny bit. I heard a little tiny bit.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Well, when when we went to break and it was
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: dead silent, all of a sudden, they all like a course.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, the that was perfect. Last week.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I had a horrendous joke, Oh the crickets, the crickets.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: We went right to the crickets. We got to keep
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: them down there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I should try and hurt them over this way, yes,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: because they usually hang on this corner over here.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, didn't I say, you like, bring peanut butter over
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: so I don't even know if they eat peanut butter.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we discussed that then, and then we're like, what
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: what the hell are they doing in society or not society,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: but like uh out in nature, chain in nature nature. Yes, that's.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's get into the Sixers because like, it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: interesting heading into this season what we are seeing the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six Ers potentially doing. They're they're really I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: think banking on some uh nostalgia, uh to keep fans
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: interested maybe uh you know, I do want to say
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: interacting perhaps like during games, because if you haven't heard
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: out there and if you're a Sixers fan, Sixers are
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: going to try to use a decent amount of nostalgia
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this coming season, whether it's the old classic Alan Iverson
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: era black jerseys that they're gonna be wearing from time
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to time. And then we heard this past week the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: return of beloved mascot hip hop. He's going to be
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: making his return and he or she I'm not sure.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what hip hop is thought he thought
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: it was. I know, I know. Look, the marketing team
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for the seventy six ers, they're, you know, they're working
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: on trying to keep certain segments of this fan base engaged.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily gonna work here, Eric,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: but we're at a point with the Philadelphia seventy six
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ers where they just were kind of grasping at straws here.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: They need to keep the fan base engaged, and they're
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be using some nostalgia this year to get it done.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I do. I have to say, Like, I was like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: when I saw the hip hop uh it was I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: think I was on Instagram and I saw it. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, Like, this is gonna be interesting.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Do people forget that everyone hated hip hop? I was there,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: all right, no one liked hip hop. It was this weird.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: It was the Sixers weird, like, well, kids like rap music,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: let's make hip hop right. It was just it was.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: It sucked at the time. Now it's nostalgia. I think
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: it still sucks.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: What are they gonna do with Franklin?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Franklin's nice, frank is a dog.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I know he's nice. What are they gonna do with
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: him when they are they gonna have both hip hop
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and Franklin out at the same time. And what's the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: dynamic gonna be?
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Is Franklin gonna chase hip hop because it hip Papa Rabbit? Yes, No,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: What about the.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Big fat bald thing they had?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: What what's the sixers? Yeah?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Len sent us a picture of him the other day.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Derek Coleman. No, No, Lenwood never send a picture.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I know he does.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: In two thousand and nine, folks, we were in Detroit,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Len and I and we we were at the Final
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: four and we went to this with this bar and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: it was owned by Derek Coleman and he was in
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: there and all of us were going to shake his
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: hand and to meet him. And Len walked out of
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the bar and stood up front and went out, Liken,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you want to go meet Derek Coleman, goes, I'll never
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: shake his hand. Bet which much time I wasted watching
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: him play basketball?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: He refused to shake his hand.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: This wouldn't even go back in the bar.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He stood out front.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite Len moments.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: It was great. It's great third degrees out here.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Other than talk to Derek Coleman. Fine, do you do that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: We saw, we saw we saw Derek. Didn't we see
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Derek Coleman airball a free throw at a game?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was the game, Yes, haven't I haven't seen
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: that from like a quote superstar maybe every Yeah, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the place was just like like there's murmurs like what.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like what the hell was that airball? The free throw?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: What the hell?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: How much does he make?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: A nostalgia, Yeah, hip hop is dumb. Of all the jerseys,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the Iverson era, the black Ones are like my least favorite,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I know, outside of like the mid nineties when they
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: were just the Charles, the Chuck Weathers or the Witherspoon. Yes,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Dana Barrows, like you know, pre Iverson. Those are the
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: worst ever. Those are horrendous. There's nothing sadder than Moses
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Malone in his last year with the Sixers, with the
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: crappy Sixers. It's like just we need to just end this.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But I you know, I'm also almost fifty, so kids
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: younger than me to actually buy this shit, yeah probably
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: see that, like this is cool, My god, this is
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: like twenty some years ago.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Because I wore it and stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, and I and again I was there
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: for it and it was like my least favorite. But
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I understand why they're doing it. Is it going to work? No,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: because if they don't win, that shit can only go
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: so far.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Really, you know what I mean?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Like, what are the what did the Colorado Rockies do
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: this year to get fans into the building? Winning like
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: fifty games or whatever they did?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they had name me any great Rocky Tolowitzki,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Larry Walker, like I name name them all. I'm sure
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: they had like fifty or those for their home games,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you know, just to get people in the building. Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And I still would watch their games sometimes be like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: there's two thousand people there.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: This is a joke, right, But if.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: The team's not winning, if they're fun to watch along
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: with the the nostalgia, that might work for for a while.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But if they come out that's starting five opening night,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: we talked about it two weeks ago, a week ago,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: that is going to be sad. But if they come
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: out and they're just not they're they're just getting trounced,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and edge Comb is only scoring like twelve
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: points max he's put up to there's this This will
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: be fun for like a week or two, but if
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: they're not winning at all, Like I buy, by Christmas time,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: this nostalgia is gonna be dead, like no one's gonna.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Catch, nobody's gonna give a crap.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, as Embeied and Paul George is gonna wear
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the ship on the bench over their street clothes or
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: because I don't know when the hell they're gonna play.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think that. I mean, that's obviously the key to
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the whole season, but like this will work for a
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: while as long as they're exciting and what they're not
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and what the hell's.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Hip hop gonna do with them too? Like was he
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: gonna flirt with them? You know it'd be like all flirty.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Well, at least once a game is gonna go over
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and be like he's gonna lay the land under both
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: their legs, eh my hip hop, and it's like get
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: off their knees, my god, you know. But I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: know if you Sawn Beid had a practice game O
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the day. It looked really good. It was on Instagram.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I did, I saw it. All the good stuff's on Instagram,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: In a practice game?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Comments like this could be it?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Man, he looks great.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Oh god, he's playing half speed against his own teammates.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, all right, well buddy, before I let you go,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: let's get into some Eagles talk here and whether or
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: not we think this team can really turn things around
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: after after losing two games one to the Denver Broncos,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: second game two the lowly New York Giants, who the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Eagles made look like they were just a Super Bowl
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: contending team. It was really really incredible. As of us
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: recording this, the Eagles have not played the Minnesota Viking yet,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a very winnable game by the way, because they're probably
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: gonna have Carson Wentz under center. I would think at
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: this point it hasn't been uh hasn't been determined, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's going to be Wentz. The
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagle should win this game. This should be again,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: this should be a get right game, not the get
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: wrong game from from from last week. So I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they can, but really it's just it's mind boggling. We're
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: gonna talk to our good friend Shane Haff from the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Eagles Pinpool Network, uh in a little bit here where
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: we're really gonna dive into what this Eagles offense has
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: looked like how it can improve. But it can improve
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: if they actually want it to improve. You know that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a predictable offense. And when you have
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a predictable offense, you just have to make changes. And and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I'm some dope here in my in my little home studio.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I watched this team on the couch my entire life.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yet I understand what's going on here with this team
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and and how changes need to be made. I'm not
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: sure why they don't do it. I really, I'm really
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: not sure why they don't do the obvious changes that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: need to be made.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Well, every not capable, you know, Oh my god, maybe
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: they're just not that good. I mean, I would one
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of the one of the concerning things was Zadarius Smith
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: just retiring this week.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That that that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That probably I think I'm pretty sure that I stoked
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: some rumors of like, what the hell's going on in
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: that locker room? Yeah, you know that He's like, I mean,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: when he signed them, he was like, I can't wait, man,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going for a ring. I can't wait to play
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: if so glad to be back. And then two weeks
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: later he's like, fuck off, I'm out. Yeah. That was
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that was a little that was concerning in my opinion.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I think Vegas has finally like got to
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: the point of like they don't trust the Eagles totally.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I mean they're one and a half point favorites against Minnesota.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I know it's in Minnesota against Carson Wentz in what
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Jordan Mason? Yeah right, I mean, who has as many
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: yards as Saquon Barkley and less carries. Carson Wentz has
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: pretty much the same stats as Hurts, with better completion percentage.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Zach Bonnis two sacks, and he's also leading the team
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: in sacks or tackles forty eight tackles. Yeah, team's not
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: performing at all. You're hoping this. I mean, the Minnesota
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: is kind of depleted, right, I mean, they have some
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: injuries on defense offense, so do we. But like this
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: should be I mean, I man, this should be a
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: get right game, But so was last week. This one's
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: supposed to be like, Okay, let's kill the Giants and
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: then let's we'll gut one out against the Vikings and
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: we'll kill the Giants again next week. Right now, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: have no idea and just the vibes of this team
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I know it's vibes is ridiculous and every kid uses
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that term now. But like the vibe of this team
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: not viting for me.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, there are questions about whether
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Quinnon Mitchell is gonna play. If he doesn't. I mean,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you've got Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, who are too
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: damn good receivers in this league, against Keeley Ringo and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: possibly a Dori Jackson. And yes, I know they're gonna
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: take Cooper de jen and probably put him on the outside,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you know, because he is he is absolutely fantastic, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he certainly is. But the secondary man is having problems.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Andrew mccooba like a really good player, but he is
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: learning one of the most difficult positions in the league
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as a rookie, and he is making rookie mistakes. He
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: is making rookie mistakes and he's got to learn. It's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: gonna take time. But man, this second, the secondary is
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: having a hell of a time and going up against
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison like that. I'm scared about that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I really am.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I am too. I mean, Mitchell makes the whole thing work, yes,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, mccooba looked amazing the beginning of
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the year. Mitchell looked off the right. I think Cooper
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Degene looks awesome on one end if Mitchell's on the
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: other end. Yeah, Degene is not a one at all.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I don't I'm not even sure if he's a two
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: at cornerback right, just he just hasn't played that position.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You're hoping m Kouba becomes your two eventually. And I
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: know everyone loves Cooper Degene. I'm not sure what his
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: position is, but when you have Quinnion over here, you
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: can make him your two and it all works out right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And Kuba and the Nickel Nickel spot. But like that,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I Dickerson is questionable, Mitchell's questionable. Those are two scary
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: questionable players for this team. I mean, I know the
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Vikings have injuries too, but like, is there a party
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that's a little like is Carson Wentz gonna want to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: try and like have a fuck you game?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Not that he I don't sure. I'm not sure if
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: he's physically able to do it anymore. But like he's
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: never really had this chance, has he since? Since they
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: moved on from him?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Not really did he play? He was in Washington. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: did he play against the Eagles when he was in Washington.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I forget. Not memorable at all, I actually forget.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: But this game's I would never I gamble a little
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: bit here and there, Jeff, rank little bit. I wouldn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: touch this game ten foot pole.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have this game with your money, Jeff. This
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: one is like who the hell knows?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Really, I don't know. Eagles could come out and just
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: kill because if they can get the run game going,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: If they get the run game going, they can they
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: will win this game, absolutely one. But if they can't,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: if Saquon Barkley isn't getting his over three point four
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: yards of carry, which he's averaging this season, which is horrendous,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't do that, I think the Eagles actually
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: lose this game. If it's the same old, same I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: really do so.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, same rushing yards as he's the same rushing yards
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: as Mason. Yes, I look at their stats now. It's
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: just it's unbelieve.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: It's nuts, it really is.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: And every time I turn on Prime I see this
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Saquon documentary, I'm like, let's just take that off and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like let's if he has another season like last year
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and then May I'll watch his Saquon doc. Right now,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're killing a saque.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That's the offensive line. I don't think it's him.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I know that. I but like he was otherworldly last
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: year and he's the top reason we know, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: we want that won the World World Series, the super Bowl. Yeah,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: we're never winning World Series again ever. But yeah, but
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you're hoping that. Okay, Hurts, Hurts was horrendous last week,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that that interception was a killer. I'm hoping he comes
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: out and is like, all right, I only put the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: team in my back this one time. Yeah, make some plays.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be Minnesota the defense and be
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: allowed as hell in there, but like, like, can we
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: we see it one time this year Hurts like and
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: not not be a god damn push push fest, right like?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I you know, I think I said on the do
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: we even call that a postgame show?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Last week? It was fun though it was.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I went back and listen, I'm like, this is not
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: analysis at all, it's.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Just bitching and moaning.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But now I with this game, I have no clue.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I you know, the last the Giants game,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I went in like, this is a this is a
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: two touchdown victory. Yeah, no quest yep. With this one,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't know what to think.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So that's it's definitely it definitely is a get right game.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: But if they lose this and they end up going
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: four and three on the season with three straight losses,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: there's there's gonna be there has to be some sort
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: of accountability. Something needs to happen, I think, And I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: don't think that's a knee jerk reaction. I don't think
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: it's an Eagles knee jerk reaction and the fans saying, oh,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you know, somebody's got to be held accountable or fired
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It's now this is this is a super
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Bowl winning team and a lot of the same pieces
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are here, specifically on offense. Specifically on offense. I know
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: there's injuries stuff going on, but you know, you've got
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Jeff Stotlin who has done a damn good job with
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the offensive line over these years, and we're seeing some
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: weird stuff going on with the offensive line. It's not
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: necessarily coaching on the offensive line standpoint. As far as
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, I don't think it's Jeff Stoutlin. You know
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: there's stuff going on with this team. There's injuries, yes,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but Kevin Patulo in terms of his play calling, in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: terms of the play designs themselves too. I just want
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to see some new stuff I want to see. I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: want to see Hurts going and looking at his second read,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: even his third read on plays. I want to see
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: some intermediate routes over the middle.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I just if you're having trouble creating running lanes because
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: your offensive line is hurt, then run a speedy pass
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: first offense next. Yeah, yes, let's just see it and like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: let let Hurts make the reads, but make it quick,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like if it just like
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: change the game plan to fit, like what you're what's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: going on with your personnel upfront, Like, let's just see
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: it one time and then this would be the game
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: to maybe try it. But I think I said that
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: for the Giants game and they didn't fucking do it. Yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and they did air it out a little more. But
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: if you know, if if if Saquan needs to be
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: a decoy, sure, I mean just just to get something.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: You know, Penn State needs a coach, maybe popo holes,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: uh could jump over this week. I don't want them
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: well and then nice thing too is the NFC East
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: is just keeps crapp in the bed. Oh my god, yea,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: we might touch push our way into first place when
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: in the division because because like the Cowboys lost the
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: pant like that's ridiculous. Yeah, yep, all right, buddy, I'm
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: gonna let you go. You have any final thoughts before
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: we go to break and before we get to work.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Thrown down on the table this week.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: No, just still last week was the worst, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: but it's still not great. Like the Flyers had that
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: weird loss where they scored the goal and it was
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: taken away. I'm not so I'm not super high in
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the sixers. If the Eagles lose Sunday, man.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: It's we're gonna feel bad. It's gonna start. It's gonna
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: feel real bad.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: But it is funny when you have it, when you
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: cheer for a city with four teams, it really does.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: It goes up and down so fast. Like in August,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: we're just thinking like or you know, early September, this
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: is awesome. Yeah, right October Eagles are killing and man
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: it just went yeah and then last Thursday at midnight,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: we're screaming at at each other pissed so quickly it goes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, folks, were gonna take a break. When
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: we get back. We got our buddy, Shane Half from
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the Eagles Pinpool Network. He's gonna be joining us for
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: some more Eagles and now stick with us.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And now on the table.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back to get into this Philadelphia Eagles
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: team and a lot more detail with our good friend
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: from the Eagles pin Pool Network on the Shane Page podcast.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: They're over on Patreon as well, and they do fantastic
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: stuff over at the Eagles Pinpool Network. My good friend
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Shane Half, Shane Man, buddy, thanks so much for joining
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: us here. I mean, it's probably not gonna be the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: greatest discussion in the world, but we got to get
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: into it, like this is what's happening with the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's not the greatest thing in the world, but I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate you being here to discuss it with me. Man.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, always happy to come on, prefer coming on to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: break down Super Bowl wins. Yes, over what just happened
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: last week, but always good to come on and chat
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, it's always great to have you, man. So
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: let's let's get into this Eagles offense right off the bat.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Right here, let's talk about first just about the rushing attack,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: maybe lack of rushing attack, why it just hasn't been
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: productive this season. Saquon Barkley, as we know, one of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the best running backs in the NFL, yet he's sitting
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: at three point four yards per carry on ninety five
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: carries as of us recording this show. This is really
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: coming down to Shane ineffective offensive line productivity in the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: rushing game. Correct am I correct in that. You know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on why we've seen this rushing
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: attack and game struggle so much here?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I think there are multiple components to that. So, first
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of all, when a guy has a two thousand yard
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: season with as many carries as Barkley has, yeah, you
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: expect some sort of regression the next year. Now that said,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Barkley's made some cuts and some spins this year that
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: don't look like that is the issue. And I don't
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: think that is the issue. I think he might just
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be a freak that's able to sustain that over a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: couple of years. And so I actually don't think it
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: has anything to do with the workload from last year. Okay,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, first and foremost, you mentioned the struggles of
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the offensive line and particularly the interior offensive line. Now
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: there's some nuance to that. We know that Landon Dickerson
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: has been playing through injury. We know that Cam Jurgens,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: you know, had to put off a surgery because of
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and he hasn't looked great, and so
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: we can start out saying there's been some injury things
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that are overarching here. Yeah, but the Eagles offensive line
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: is twenty first in run block win rate this year
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and they were ninth last year, and so that's a
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: piece of it. The offensive line is not playing very
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: well right Saquon Barkley is averaging zero point nine to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: eight yards per contact per rushing attempt. Last year it
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: was at two point three eight, so basically gone from
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: one from two point four yards before he was touched
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: down to about one yard. So that's a huge difference,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and that's indicative that's not Saquon just losing his vision.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: That's so offensive line play. Now where it can get
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: hard to riddle that out is the offense is also
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: just so tremendously predictable, and so you'll have elements of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the defense knows what you're doing, and so offensive linemen
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: get beat, maybe not because they're injured or they're playing bad,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: but because the defense just knows, and the defense is
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: or the offense is tremendously predictable. You know, I charted
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: out splits just based on QB alignment runner pass and
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I haven't updated those for the Giants game because I
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: haven't just had the motivation to go watch the offense
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: a whole lot again. But it was something about eighty
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: percent of the Eagles snaps and shotgun or passes and
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: about twenty percent of their snaps from under center or
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: pistol or passes, and so you get a massive indicator.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: You can see teams attacking downhill when the Eagles take
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: a snap and pistol, and so that's part of it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And then part of it too besides the predictability is
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: just the scheme. A year ago the Eagles ran gap
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: scheme runs on about thirty six percent of their carries.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And for the listener, a gap really easy way to
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: recognize gap schemes. There's a polar Usually if a offensive
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: lineman polls. Usually it's gonna be gap scheme. Usually if
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: none of them pull, it is a zone blocking scheme.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Not always, there's some gap schemes that don't use a poller.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But we won't get too much into the semantics there.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: But thirty six percent of their carries last year were
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: gap scheme runs and they were a lot more effective
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: doing that, thirty percent more yards per carry, they had
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: three times the EPA per attempt. Well, this year that
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: gap scheme runs are down to twenty one percent of
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: their attempts, so they're running gap scheme less. And you
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: think about a guy like Cam Jurgens who is so
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: good out on the move and they're just not using him. Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: that way I posted up. I think it was from
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: the Broncos game when they had like that second and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: one or second and six after the penalty and they
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: called the only under center play of the game and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it was a run, and they asked Cam Jurgens to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: reach blocks so jump across the face of Dexter Lawrence
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and seal him out playside, when last year almost certainly
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: they would have had Tyler Steen down block him and
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: pull Cam Jurgens behind him through the hole. They're just
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: not doing those things, and so then when you're going
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: to just run zone, you need your quarterback involved in
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the running game, and Hurts hasn't been involved in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: running game. He had just under five designed runs per
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: game last year, and that's been cut in half to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: about two point six this year. So all of those
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: things add up to the run game just being really bad,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the offense follows after that, because
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I firmly believe the biggest issue is the run game.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Last year, the Eagles scheme was pretty simple. The run
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: game was dominant, and so when you saw teams have
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to load up the box like the Chiefs did in
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, the offense could shred them. This year,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: teams are stopping the run from light boxes because it's predictable,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: because the scheme is bad, and because the offensive line
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: hasn't played particularly well.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I'm really, quite frankly baffled by the fact that the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: offensive coaching on this team hasn't made any sort of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: alterations in the opposite direction of what you just said
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of predictability. I'm really surprised by that. I mean,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that professional football coaches in this day
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and age are seeing what they're seeing on film week
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: after week. Have to be saying in these coaching rooms,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: this is predictable and we have to change it. I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was watching your video this past week that you posted
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: on Twitter slash x that dissected the play where Jalen
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Hurts through his first interception of the season. Honestly, fantastic,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: fantastic dissection of that. Shane and you were talking about
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and questioning this play based on the actual play design itself,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and you also mentioned as you were breaking down the film,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you're only seeing one route, one receiver route that they
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: can throw to on just about every passing play as well,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: only one. And it's mind boggling again to know that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a talent like Jalen Hurts, with all the talent on
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this team at skill positions, that this is how the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: passing game continues to operate here and they are not
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: making alterations and they're continuing to do the same predictable
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: type of play calling week after week. I mean, can
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they alter this or or maybe I should ask do
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you think they'll be able to alter this as the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: season progresses? And what would that mean in terms of
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: offensive productivity?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so much of what the Eagles do in their
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: passing game is they run these mirrored concepts, so you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: run the same thing on both sides of the field,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and so much of it is like mirrored hitch routes
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: with corner routes behind it. And it's like, if I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: open up to the left and that hitch route's not there,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the hitch route on the right broke at the same time,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I'm late to it. I can't throw it. Yeah, if
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the corner route isn't there, which it never will be
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: because they're not influent, they're not conflicting zone defenders. I
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: have to bounce all the way to the other side
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: of the field to see a route breaking the other
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: direction that also broke at the same time, and I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: can't possibly get to it. You know, you watch other
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: teams in the NFL, and you have you know, you've
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: got a route attacking outside the numbers on the right,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: and if that's not there, then you've got routes coming
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: across the middle of the field, and so you can
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: scan right to left and there's a logical way to
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: move through these. And the Eagles just don't have that,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and so could they alter that absolutely, And it's honestly
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: not hard, which is what makes it even more baffling.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: They haven't done it yet, That's what I don't understand,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and so I hesitate to make definitive statements like the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: season is over if Kevin Patulo isn't demoted, because the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: fixes seem so unbelievably simple to me that sure he
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: will make these changes and yet I haven't seen any
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: sight of it yet. Yeah, and so I have no
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: confidence that he will. But at the same time, it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: like I can't say he won't because this is elementary stuff,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and so, you know, there's a lot of easy buttons
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I think the Eagles could push on this offense to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: to really you know, you don't have to bring in
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a whole different scheme. We don't have to run under
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: center play action crossing routes, like we don't have to
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: run the Kyle Shanahan offense, the Mike McDaniel. We don't
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: have to do that. The elements are all there. They
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: were sequenced differently last year and they weren't And so
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: there's easy things you can do, like run empty more
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: often the Eagle empty as a cheat code. It spreads
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the offense or the defense out. It makes them declare
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: pre snap, their coverage structure, where their pressure is coming from.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: All of those things are helpful. And the negative to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: empty is that it hurts your run game. But it
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't with the Eagles because Jalen Hurts can be the
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: run game out of empty five or six times a game.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: If they widen out too much, you just run it
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and it's not like, you know, Saquon Barkley's ripping off
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: good gains this year, where it's like, man, now we
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: can't really run Barkley much. Yeah, so get an empty.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: What about mesh concepts. I'd love to see some mesh
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: concepts every now and again too. Yeah, especially against Man.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: They love to run that against zone.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, ditch twelve personnel, like literally, don't ever put a
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: second tight end on the field. It's terrible when you do.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: If you want to do that, put a sixth olignment
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: on the field, because even you can call a pass
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: play with a sixth though alignment on the field. It's fine. Yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: you've got to be willing to run Hurts like I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: love Jalen Hurts. If you are going to use him
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: as a pocket passer and not move the pocket, move
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the launch point. Not use him as a runner. He's
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: not a top ten quarterback in the NFL because you're
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: stripping away one of his superpowers, which is his rushing ability.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So you've got to be willing to run Hurts, redesign
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: these routes so they're breaking aff depths in a logical
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: way that makes sense, and then push the ball downfield.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the last game, Hurts through five passes downfield.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Three of them were completions, one was a defensive pass
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: interference and the other one was an open touchdown that
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: they just misfired on, So that's an eighty percent success rate,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and the other one was just a rare missed throw.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: It hurts.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: So there's some easy things that you can do, and
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: it blows my mind that they haven't done any of them.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to start implementing them for sure. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you know, before we hit the record button, you and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I were talking a little bit, you know about what
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: this offense has looked like when it hasn't looked like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and they just have been terrible using motion in this offense.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: They I mean, when it is used, it's not meant.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: It's not being used to really enhance the playbook. At all.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I recall them using motion last season under
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore pretty effectively if I'm not mistaken. So I'm wondering,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you know, is this really a Kevin Patulo issue here?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: And how are you seeing something as straightforward as utilizing motion,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: by the way, a key aspect to playing the game
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of football on offense here in twenty twenty five, have
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you seen that not like not being utilized by an
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: offense that again, there's really good skill players on this team.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: You know what's the issue here? Shane?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Eagles. I don't think the Eagles have
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: ever used motion in a great way. So they're using
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: motion about the same rate they did last year, but
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: they don't use it to do anything other than like
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: you can get a pre snap man slash zone indicator.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: You know, if the emotion you're running back out and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: a linebacker follows him, it's probably man. So they do
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: that some. But outside of that, they don't do anything
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: with it. They don't target the motion man like ever never,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: They usually don't have him run a route that's even
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: in play, Like he just motions out and then it
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You don't have to cover him because we're
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: not looking at him.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: We see that with Devonte all the time.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, the only time I remember them targeting the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: motion man was a pass to DeVante Smith in the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter of the Giants game, and it went for
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: sixteen yards because when you motions outside of aj Brown,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: both defenders covered aj Brown because they think there's no
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: way the Eagles are throwing this to DeVante Smith and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: he gets sixteen yards easy. Yeah, because the Eagles just
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: never throw it. And so to me, like motion is
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: good if you use it with a purpose. The way
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: the Eagles use it is completely pointless. And if that's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: what they're gonna do, I would rather them just stop
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: using it. Like, yeah, teams, you watch a team like
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins for years, and I know they haven't been
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: good this year, but they sink their motion up with
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the snap of the ball. So it's that cheap motion
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you're you're switching the release of the receivers. The outside
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: guy is now the inside guy right at the snap.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: It can confuse defenses, but also you've got a guy
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: running full speed at the snap that can get upfield
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and fire off the line. The Eagles actually slow themselves
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: down when they motion snap somebody because the timing's off,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: there's no urgent and see because it's not in play anyways.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And I would ready you just throw the motion out
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: then use it the way that they're using it. But
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: it's another one of those things like you saw it
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: with the DeVante Smith catch in the fourth quarter of
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: the Giants game. Do that it's there and make teams
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: take that away and make teams respect it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so frustrating. Gosh. I hope we see
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: something different this next game with the Minnesota Vikings, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: this Vikings team a vulnerable team, and I think this
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: offense could could actually do some good things if they
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: made some alterations. So we're gonna take a quick break here, folks. Again,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: we're talking to Shane Half from the Eagles pin Pool Network.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: My friend. Tell everybody where they can find you out
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: there on socials, your Patreon as well. You guys do
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: some great analysis.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me on Twitter at Shane Half NFL.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I tweet lots of all twenty two content throughout the week.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And then we've got a public podcast network, the Eagles
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: pin Pooll Network. Get that on apple Spot wherever you
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: get your podcast. But then Johnny Page and Eric and
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I have a Patreon, Patreon dot com slash Eagles Film
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Room and each week and there's different tiers, but Eric
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: does a big write up predicting the next game. Johnny's
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: doing a film preview. I'm doing an All twenty two
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: pass game review, which I'm recording after this show, by
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the way. And then we do a player spotlight where
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: we let our patrons vote and there's whatever player they
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: vote for. This week, it was Jylex Hunt. I go
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: and watch every snap of his in All twenty two
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: and just talk about what I'm seeing assignment wise and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: what he's doing, and so lots of more All twenty
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: two stuff, probably than you can consume on a weekly basis.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: But that's at Eagles Film Room, so you can go
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: check that out.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Great stuff, Great stuff, folks. All Right, when we get back,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: we got more Eagles talk. We're gonna get into the defense,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: and then yes, we're gonna actually try to get into
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: some positivity with regard to this team. We're gonna try
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to do that after the break stick with us. All right,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: we are back with our good friend Shane haf and
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Shane want to dive into this Eagles defense here, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I said on our postgame podcast show, it seems after
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: all these weeks, it's very apparent that we haven't seen
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: that development in the pass rush that we were hoping.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you just met right before the break. You
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: mentioned Jlex Hunt. You know, we really haven't, at least
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: to the naked eye. You know, I don't analyze like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you do, but Jalx Hunt, Moro Ojomo haven't necessarily seen
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that pass rush and specifically these guys getting home, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: getting the sacks. You know, maybe they are developing and
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it, but I'm frustrated at the fact
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that only you know, three quarterback hits we saw it
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: from last week against the Giants, two sacks. I think
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: they have nine total sacks through six games this season,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: which is ranked twenty fifth in the league. Is it
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: a talent issue up front in your opinion? Is it?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, what are your thoughts on what I believe
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: is a very sad state of this Eagles pass rush
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: at this point in the season. I don't know, maybe
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: you could talk me off the ledge here. I'm not sure.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Eagles fans underestimated the impact of losing
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Josh Sweat and Milton Williams. Yeah, which is funny because
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think Eagles fans ever truly like really loved
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Josh Sweat, but Milton Williams. With Milton Williams last year,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they were like, man, Milton Williams is awesome. He's a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: great player. And as soon as he left, they're like,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it was all about Jalen Carter.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Moro, Jomo is going to do.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: The same thing this year, And yeah, we kind of
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: do that at times. It's like the guy is great
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: when he's here, and as soon as he leaves, like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: well he wasn't really that good. The next guy will
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: be as good. So Milton Williams ranks third in the
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: NFL and defensive tackle pass rush win rate right now
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: at seventeen percent. Josh Sweat ranks fourth among edge rushers
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: with a twenty six percent win rate. And then of
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: course you lost Brandon Graham too, and so you lose
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: all of these guys, and then you combine that with
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter being off to the slowest start of his career.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith is hurt. Jlex Hunt heated up last year
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and people thought he would just continue
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: that and that was probably unrealistic. He's more like where
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you know you kind of thought he would be, And
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: so the talent drain is a big deal, and specifically
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: against the Giants. Also, Jackson Dart just got the ball
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: out so fast. It was like two point five to
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: one seconds was his average time to throw, and so
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: it's hard to rush the passer when the ball is
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: coming out that quick as well. But I think that
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: josh Usha and Azizo Julari and Jalx Hunt are perfectly
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: playable edgrushers. You know, if we're gonna like grad him,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: they're like six out of tens probably okay, none of
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: them or somebody in offense has to game plan around.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: But they are perfectly acceptable starters. But you need one
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: of those guys you have to game plan around somewhere,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: and the Eagles just don't have that right now. Jalen
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Carter's not playing at the level he was, Moro Jamo
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: hasn't taken the leap people hoped he would. And Nolan Smith,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: who was your most consistent edge rusher, is out injured,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and so you know, I think your edge rusher group
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: can be okay with Nolan Smith when he comes back,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: and with Hunt and Ushe and Ojulari, I think that
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: group can be okay as long as Jalen Carter starts
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: to play dominant football again. And you know, you get
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: a little more from a guy like Moro Jamo rushing
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: on the interior. And so I think the biggest issue
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: at the pass rush right now just boils down to
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that talent drain and Jalen Carter just not being Jalen Carter.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And maybe there's injury things playing into that. You know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: he misses the Giants game with an injury, and so
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, I just
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: need the defensive line to get healthy and see where
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: we go from there.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, moving along here again, this has been
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of doom and gloom here in our conversation,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: but you know it's hard not to when this team
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: just lost to the New York Giants here, So let's
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: let's try to get into something positive here, Shane, what
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: do you think is the most consistent positive that you've
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: actually seen from the Eagles so far this season? I mean,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: have you seen anything?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing that comes to mind for me
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: is Quinnon, Mitchell and Cooper to Jane. Yeah, I mean,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: those guys are incredible and the NFL's insane for letting
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: both of them fall to the Eagles in the same draft.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: He should have been a top ten pick. It should
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: have been borderline if Cooper de jan would have been
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: there in the mid twenties when the Eagles picked. There's
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: no way he ever should have. Either one of them
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: should have fallen that far. And I think they've played
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: really good football this year. Q had a bit of
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: a rough game against the bron Broncos Portland Sutton. Yeah,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I will say like in that game, I thought his
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: coverage was incredibly sticky. He was just out and muscled
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: at the catch point by a receiver that's four inches
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: and thirty pounds heavier than he is. Yeah, that's gonna
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: happen at times, and that's something he can improve on.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: But his coverage has been really good. Cooper de Jean's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: picked up right where he left off, and so you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: can cover a lot of ills in a secondary when
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: you've got two guys like that. And then you know,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Zach Bond has been good. He's coming off a little
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: bit of a rougher stretch these last two games. But
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Zach Bond's been good. And I think Jahad Campbell, although
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: and again he had a rough game against the Giants,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I think Jahad Campbell might be a budding superstar. Yeah,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the instincts and coverage are so good. He needs to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: do a little bit of work in the run game,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: but I've seen that get better, and so I think
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: the core of this defense has been a hit over
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the last couple of drafts, and that's something to be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: excited about. It's a consistent positive that I've seen week
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: over week.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: All Right, very good, And before we let you go, buddy,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: two part question here to close us out being the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: biggest hurdles on both the offense and the defense. Let's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: start on the offense with that's the biggest hurdle on
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: offense for this Philadelphia Eagles team.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's twofold, and we've kind of talked about it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: It's the predictability of the offense, and it's the design
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: of the offense. And again I'm not saying that the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Eagles need to scrap their entire playbook and install a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: whole new scheme, because you obviously can't do that in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: a year. But there's minor design tweaks that you can make.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: There are place sequencing things that you can do better
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: just to be less predictable. And if the Eagles can
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: do that, there's no reason this offense can't be good again.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: They've got all the pieces. Obviously, you need to get healthy,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you need your offensive line operating at full strength. But
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: predictability and design are the two biggest issues for the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Eagles offense.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: So something I wanted to mention. I have seen on
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: more than a few occasions Jordan Mylatta really getting pushed
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: around and it's been very, very bizarre to watch. Have
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: you noticed that as well?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's had some bad reps. Yeah, absolutely far
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move over the defense here. Biggest hurdle for
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: this Eagles defense as they're moving forward here, Shane.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's the pass rush, which we already kind
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: of talked about a bit too. But you know, so
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: we can talk about CB two and especially after the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Giants game, they're missing their top two receivers and you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: see Ador Jackson and quiey Ringo both play bad games. Yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: but when you have Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper de Jene
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: healthy and on the field, If you can't hide a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: weaker CB between those two guys, you're not a very
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: good coach. And I think Vic Fangio is an excellent coach.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: So sure it would be nice if you hadn't led
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Rodgers out of the building. But I think CB
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: is fine. There's some issues with Andrew mccuba. He is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: busting a lot of coverages right now, yes, and that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: needs cleaned up. You know, for him, it's not a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: physical thing, it's not an effort thing. It's a mental thing.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: And he's a second round rookie and a pro complex
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: defense playing the most difficult position in that defense. So
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I think I think you play him through that, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you coach him through that, and you hope he's put
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: that all together down the stretch. I think that's probably
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: what you do there. And so you know, that can
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: cause some cascading issues with corners and with Reid blanken
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Ship not trusting the Kouba will be where he should be.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: But I think that gets better with time. The pass
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: rush is the thing for me, it's the biggest issue
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: right now. And other than you need Jalen Carter to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: be dominant. Yeah, and I think they need to go
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: get a defensive tackle as well. Byron Young is playing
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: like twenty snaps a game right now, and he's unplayable.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: He's bad. If you're talking about who can you go get? Well,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: a third round, A Day three pick at corner is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: not going to give you something much better than what
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: you have. A Day three pick at edge dresher is
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: not going to give you something much better than what
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: you have. Day three pick on the interior defensive line
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: will give you something that is so much, far and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: away better than Byron Young. That's what I would be
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: looking to do to try to improve the defense.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, very good, he is Shane Haff Folks from the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Eagles Pinpoll Network, subscribe on whatever podcast you may be
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: listening to us on. I know you guys. Are you
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: know you on Patreon? Like you said earlier, I know
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: you're you've got YouTube stuff correct as well.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, eagles Pinpoll on YouTube as well.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: All right, very good, my friend, Thank you so much,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: great analysis. As always, I would love to have you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: come back on the show at some point, get into
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: more birds talk. I'd love to have you.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Man, absolutely anytime, Jeff.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it for us this week. Make
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: sure to share the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show with
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: your friends and family members who may be Philly sports fans.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: You can always head on over to Philadelphia Sports Table
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: dot com to access all of our podcasts, or any
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: major podcast platform on your device. We appreciate, ciate our
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: guests taking the time to join us every week to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: help make this podcast happen and to give us great content,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: and ultimately we appreciate you. Take care and have a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: great week, and we'll catch you next time.