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- 0:04Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinamiot.
- 0:08Speaker 1: It's Thursday, October three. Australia's first treaty has hit a
- 0:14Speaker 1: huge legal snag. The Australian is exclusively revealing today the
- 0:19Speaker 1: Land Council that struck a one point three billion dollar
- 0:22Speaker 1: settlement in Western Australia's Nungar Country accessed the emails of
- 0:26Speaker 1: Aboriginal corporations managing the deal. That story's live right now
- 0:31Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. Prime Minister
- 0:35Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi has struggled to articulate the federal government's response
- 0:39Speaker 1: to a brazen attack on Israel by Iran. In today's episode,
- 0:44Speaker 1: Foreign editor Greg Sheridan unpicks the government incoherence surrounding conflict
- 0:48Speaker 1: in the Middle East. It was an unbelievable moment in
- 1:09Speaker 1: an extraordinary conflict. In May, the International Criminal Court put
- 1:14Speaker 1: out arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and
- 1:17Speaker 1: his Defense minister. You have gland.
- 1:21Speaker 2: The ICC prosecutor said he believes the Israeli Prime Minister
- 1:25Speaker 2: and the Defense Minister bear criminal responsibility for a number
- 1:29Speaker 2: of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the
- 1:32Speaker 2: Gaza strip.
- 1:34Speaker 1: The backlash was swift and brutal. From the United States
- 1:37Speaker 1: President Joe Biden.
- 1:40Speaker 3: Whatever these warrants may imply, there is no equivalence between
- 1:43Speaker 3: Israel and Hamas.
- 1:45Speaker 1: And from Netanyahu himself, what a travesty of justice, what
- 1:50Speaker 1: a disgrace.
- 1:51Speaker 4: And I assure you one then this attempt.
- 1:54Speaker 1: Will utterly fail. But Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and
- 2:00Speaker 1: extension the Labor government took a softer approach.
- 2:05Speaker 4: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
- 2:09Speaker 4: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a
- 2:13Speaker 4: party agree and.
- 2:16Speaker 1: The appraisal of Opposition leader Peter Dutton was unforgiving.
- 2:20Speaker 5: I don't know why the primis is not showing leadership
- 2:22Speaker 5: in relation to anti Semitism and he's tarnishing and damaging
- 2:25Speaker 5: our international relationships was like minded nations. When he's not
- 2:30Speaker 5: strong enough to stand up alongside President Biden.
- 2:34Speaker 1: It's a moment that demonstrates how the government talks or
- 2:37Speaker 1: doesn't talk about conflict in the Middle East.
- 2:41Speaker 3: I think the Alberniti government has simply failed, absolutely comprehensively
- 2:46Speaker 3: and in every dimension, on every aspect of this crisis.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan is the Australians Foreign Editor.
- 2:53Speaker 3: They've just shown themselves to be completely out of their
- 2:56Speaker 3: depths in it. It's a provincial, although call left wing
- 3:01Speaker 3: government which is simply completely all at sea with this
- 3:04Speaker 3: issue in the Middle East. They don't have the imagination,
- 3:07Speaker 3: they don't have the instincts, they don't have the knowledge frankly,
- 3:11Speaker 3: to deal with it, and they certainly don't have the courage.
- 3:14Speaker 3: As I've sometimes said about the Albanita government, it lacks
- 3:17Speaker 3: the courage of its convictions. It lacks even the courage
- 3:21Speaker 3: of its lack of convictions.
- 3:27Speaker 1: On Tuesday night, Iran launched hundreds of rockets at Israel
- 3:30Speaker 1: in retaliation for the death of Hesbala leader Hassan Nasralla
- 3:34Speaker 1: and a ground incursion of southern Lebanon by Israel. But
- 3:48Speaker 1: as Israel and Iran traded threats of reprisal, the Australian
- 3:52Speaker 1: PM talked in circles the region.
- 3:55Speaker 4: But we of course condemn Iran to actions. We once
- 4:00Speaker 4: again reiterate the call that we're made along with the
- 4:03Speaker 4: United States, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Italy, Germany, Japan,
- 4:10Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, other nations as well, calling
- 4:15Speaker 4: for a de escalation. We're very concerned about Iran's actions,
- 4:24Speaker 4: which is why we condemned them.
- 4:28Speaker 1: Pressed on whether the Australian government would support Israel's efforts
- 4:31Speaker 1: to disable Hesbela's infrastructure, Albanizi ducked and.
- 4:35Speaker 4: Weaved, Well, we regard Hesbela as a terrorist organization, as
- 4:40Speaker 4: we regard hamas as a terrorist organization. We have been
- 4:45Speaker 4: working with like minded countries and issuing appropriate statements, such
- 4:49Speaker 4: as the ones that I referred to In.
- 4:52Speaker 1: A radio appearance later on Wednesday morning, the PM pushed
- 4:56Speaker 1: again for a ceasefire.
- 4:58Speaker 4: That statement said, diplomacy, however, cannot succeed amid an escalation
- 5:04Speaker 4: of this conflict, and tragically.
- 5:07Speaker 3: Escalation and conflict like it's a war.
- 5:10Speaker 5: Like how much escalation does there need to be for
- 5:12Speaker 5: it to be a war?
- 5:13Speaker 4: Well, it certainly is a I don't want to get
- 5:17Speaker 4: into a definitional argument.
- 5:20Speaker 5: What you have.
- 5:21Speaker 1: It's a stark contrast with the unwavering support of Israel
- 5:25Speaker 1: by US President Joe Biden.
- 5:28Speaker 4: Magnow mistake.
- 5:29Speaker 5: The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of.
- 5:32Speaker 1: Israel and again, Peter Dutton went on the offensive, accusing
- 5:38Speaker 1: Labor of walking away from long standing by partisanship on
- 5:41Speaker 1: issues of foreign policy.
- 5:44Speaker 5: I just think every reasonable Australian at the moment is
- 5:46Speaker 5: looking to their Prime Minister for leadership and what they're
- 5:49Speaker 5: seeing is weakness. It seems to me that the Prime
- 5:51Speaker 5: Minister and Penny Walmant at the moment are making decisions
- 5:54Speaker 5: that are of political benefit to them domestically, but which
- 5:57Speaker 5: are not in our national interests, and I think they
- 6:00Speaker 5: should stand well.
- 6:02Speaker 3: As this matter has unfolded. The government has been both
- 6:06Speaker 3: flat footed and cowardly and incoherent. Now, when Israel began
- 6:12Speaker 3: to strike back against Hasbella, Albanesi and Foreign Minister Penny
- 6:17Speaker 3: Wong said two contradictory things. They said, Israel has a
- 6:21Speaker 3: right to defend itself against Hazbolah, but then they opposed
- 6:25Speaker 3: every single specific action that Israel too. They've been unsympathetic
- 6:30Speaker 3: to the Australian Jewish community and Alberanesian. Wong say Israel
- 6:33Speaker 3: has a right to defend itself, but won't even support
- 6:37Speaker 3: the Americans who say Israel certainly has a right to
- 6:40Speaker 3: remove the has Billa infrastructure on its border. De escallation.
- 6:45Speaker 3: In the way that Albanesi and Wong talk about it
- 6:49Speaker 3: implies that military conflict is like a bad storm or something.
- 6:53Speaker 3: It's a bad weather pattern that has come up and
- 6:56Speaker 3: everyone of goodwill must just do their best to stop it.
- 7:00Speaker 3: But on one side of this conflict proscribed barbaric terrorist
- 7:05Speaker 3: groups like Hasbollah and Hamas and one of the most
- 7:09Speaker 3: repressive states on Earth, Iran, which is also rightly described
- 7:14Speaker 3: as the chief state sponsor of terrorism around the world.
- 7:18Speaker 3: And on the other side is a long standing ally
- 7:21Speaker 3: and friend of Australia. The Middle East only democracy Israel,
- 7:25Speaker 3: and it's as if they make no moral distinction between
- 7:29Speaker 3: those two sides. On other occasions they do clearly say
- 7:32Speaker 3: that Israel is democracy and is a friend of Australia,
- 7:35Speaker 3: but when they're talking about the conflict, they effectively make
- 7:38Speaker 3: no distinction, and that's extremely disturbing and it means that
- 7:43Speaker 3: they have really abandoned Israel as a government. The Opposition
- 7:47Speaker 3: has continued the traditional Australian position of solidarity with.
- 7:51Speaker 1: Israel since October seventh. Labor has been consistent on one thing,
- 8:00Speaker 1: Israel's right to defend itself. The question is how.
- 8:06Speaker 3: Stone foreign policy is extremely incoherent on this matter. Australia
- 8:10Speaker 3: is signed up to a lot of resolutions demanding that
- 8:13Speaker 3: Israel withdraw from the so called occupied territories, but there's
- 8:19Speaker 3: no practical measure of what is supposed to happen. If
- 8:23Speaker 3: they just withdrew, Hamas would run Gaza and probably Hammas
- 8:28Speaker 3: would quite quickly run the West Bank as well. The
- 8:31Speaker 3: Albanizi's demand of the Israeli government is completely unrealistic. It
- 8:35Speaker 3: then furthermore criticizes every single thing that Israel does in
- 8:41Speaker 3: its own self defense. And now the Alberanza government wants
- 8:44Speaker 3: an immediate cease fire. But what is Israel supposed to do.
- 8:48Speaker 3: Is it supposed to simply endure endless rocket attacks from Hezbollah?
- 8:54Speaker 3: And is it supposed to allow Hesballa to build up
- 8:58Speaker 3: forces on its border which it could use for October
- 9:02Speaker 3: seven style massacres, which has by itself has declared it
- 9:06Speaker 3: intends to do. And you don't get anything coherent out
- 9:10Speaker 3: of the Albaneza government because what you're really getting from
- 9:12Speaker 3: them is performative, symbolic local politics, which leads you to
- 9:17Speaker 3: the final point really, which is that the world itself
- 9:20Speaker 3: is in a kind of a crisis of recrudescent anti Semitism,
- 9:24Speaker 3: and you would think a civilized social democratic party like
- 9:27Speaker 3: the Labor Party would put at the very top of
- 9:29Speaker 3: its rhetorical agenda fighting that anti semitism, instead of which,
- 9:35Speaker 3: while the government obviously is not anti Semitic, it does
- 9:38Speaker 3: almost nothing to fight anti Semitism.
- 9:49Speaker 1: Coming up, how Labour's moves on the world stage play
- 9:52Speaker 1: back at home. On Saturday, Foreign Minister Penny Wong addressed
- 10:08Speaker 1: the United Nations General Assembly in.
- 10:10Speaker 6: New York, more conflict than any time since World War II,
- 10:17Speaker 6: Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Sudan, me and ma Yemen, Gaza
- 10:26Speaker 6: and now Lebanon brutal.
- 10:29Speaker 1: In that speech, she called for a clear timeline for
- 10:32Speaker 1: recognition of Palestinian statehood.
- 10:37Speaker 6: Because a two state solution is the only hope of
- 10:40Speaker 6: breaking the endless cycle of violence, the only hope to
- 10:44Speaker 6: see a secure and prosperous future for both peoples.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Wong's speech was another divergence from the US and our
- 10:52Speaker 1: other Western allies on how this conflict might be resolved.
- 10:56Speaker 1: The question now is how it plays for both sides
- 10:59Speaker 1: in the run up to a federal election, which some
- 11:02Speaker 1: suspect could happen in March.
- 11:04Speaker 3: I think Albna government could well be miscalculating on the
- 11:09Speaker 3: politics of all this. The character of this debate almost
- 11:12Speaker 3: seems reminiscent to me of what happened with the Voice.
- 11:16Speaker 3: The Labor Party is chasing a certain activist minority, scared
- 11:21Speaker 3: that its competitors on the left will capture the support
- 11:24Speaker 3: of this activist minority. But I think the majority of
- 11:28Speaker 3: Australians can work out when there's terrorists on one side
- 11:31Speaker 3: of an argument and a democracy on the other side,
- 11:36Speaker 3: they're in favor of the democracy. The other thing is
- 11:38Speaker 3: people can see the incoherence and they can see the
- 11:41Speaker 3: political cowardice, and whatever your position is, you wouldn't be
- 11:44Speaker 3: satisfied with the federal government because it doesn't have the
- 11:48Speaker 3: courage or even really the intellectual capability of mounting a serious,
- 11:53Speaker 3: coherent position about the Middle East. When you are afflicted
- 11:56Speaker 3: with a complete lack of influence and no feel for
- 11:59Speaker 3: a subject, the last thing you want to be doing
- 12:01Speaker 3: is making dogmatic statements about it. But that's what the
- 12:04Speaker 3: government has been doing. For the taudry political reasons that
- 12:08Speaker 3: I outline, and its cynicism and its feebleness. I think
- 12:15Speaker 3: are clear to people, and therefore it might even damage
- 12:20Speaker 3: the government with the electorate, even among those parts of
- 12:24Speaker 3: the electric which don't care much about the Middle East.
- 12:28Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan is The Australian's Foreign editor. Our reporters are
- 12:36Speaker 1: on the ground in Israel as this Middle Eastern conflict
- 12:39Speaker 1: heats up. You can read all their updates right now
- 12:42Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au