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The Kenny Report | 30 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Only three nights till polling day.
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  Speaker 1: The labor lies keep coming. How can voters ever take
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi at his word? The Indigenous Voice? Does Labor
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  Speaker 1: actually plan to bring this back? Manchurian candidates? How deeply
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  Speaker 1: could China be meddling in this campaign? Also why Australia
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  Speaker 1: needs nuclear power to avoid a national blackout like the
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  Speaker 1: one Spain has just suffered. Joining me tonight, Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 1: James Patterson, Denika to Giorgio and Joe, who'd a brand?
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 1: We keep talking about labor lies in this campaign. Labor
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  Speaker 1: could win reelection by telling lies. That'd be terrible for
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  Speaker 1: democracy because they won government last time by telling lies.
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  Speaker 1: Let me remind you.
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  Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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  Speaker 3: we will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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  Speaker 3: living relief. Labor has real lasting plans, cheaper mortgages and
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  Speaker 3: recommit on behalf of the Australian Labor Party to the
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  Speaker 3: implementation of the ULARUS Statement from the heart in full?
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  Speaker 4: Will you continue to support the stage three tax cuts
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  Speaker 4: that have been legislated.
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  Speaker 1: We support them, We stand by that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all so clear.
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  Speaker 1: Labour said the cost of everything was going up and
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  Speaker 1: it was going to lower the cost of living. Instead
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  Speaker 1: we've seen everything going up. Labour's broken clear promises. Alban
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  Speaker 1: Easy's even admitted it. My word is my bond, remember
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  Speaker 1: that missile? I do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you broke your word.
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  Speaker 1: I did. But today the PM couldn't confront the reality.
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  Speaker 6: Our restrains off now than they were before you're elected.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the right answer to that is,
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  Speaker 3: and that is that austraands would be seven two hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars worse off if Peter Dutner got his way.
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  Speaker 5: Good debating tactic question, but it's not the question.
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  Speaker 3: And got and got his way. That is what Peter
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  Speaker 3: Dutton has done.
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  Speaker 1: He wouldn't even answer the question. His words surely can't
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  Speaker 1: carry much weight anymore. He's still spreading this whopper that's
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  Speaker 1: central to his election scare campaign.
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  Speaker 3: And given that Peter Dutton is going to this election
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  Speaker 3: with a six hundred billion dollar nuclear reactor scheme.
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  Speaker 1: That six hundred billion dollar figure is a fantasy and
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  Speaker 1: Labor knows it. It's a dodgy number from a renewable
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  Speaker 1: energy lobby group closely linked to labor. The CSIRO's figure
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  Speaker 1: is more like one fifth of that reputable firm. Frontier
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  Speaker 1: Economics backs that up and says the coalition's nuclear plan
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  Speaker 1: is two hundred and sixty eight billion dollars cheaper than
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  Speaker 1: Labour's failing renewables plan, and an open letter signed by
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  Speaker 1: more than fifty leading nuclear scientists, economists, businessmen, and environmentalists
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  Speaker 1: declares the six hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Billion dollar dollar figure is false.
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  Speaker 1: The total cost of the nuclear plants would be a
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  Speaker 1: fifth of that one hundred and twenty billion dollars, hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of billions of dollars cheaper than Labour's renewable experiment that
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  Speaker 1: these experts say won't work. But Albo doesn't let facts
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  Speaker 1: get in the way of politics. He also promised Labour
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't touch superannuation. Now they're trying to tax unrealized capital
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  Speaker 1: gains in superfunds.
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  Speaker 3: That's your policical effect, importantly, in pulling zero point five
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  Speaker 3: percent of the superannuation population zero point five that's.
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  Speaker 1: All, Oh, what a relief, that's all just taxing unrealized
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  Speaker 1: gains for some people. Nothing to worry about here. It's
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  Speaker 1: actually a scary precedent.
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  Speaker 4: That means if your shares go up in value or
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  Speaker 4: your property goes up in value, you're paying tax on
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  Speaker 4: that gain before you sell the shares or you sell
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  Speaker 4: the property. It's actually, it's actually, it's actually like saying
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  Speaker 4: to somebody who's a wage bourner, we want you to
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  Speaker 4: pay your tax before you get paid your wage. And
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  Speaker 4: that's unfair. And I think a lot of Australians are
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  Speaker 4: hearing that message.
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  Speaker 1: You believe, Alban easy and labor at your peril. The
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous voice was hardly mentioned in the last campaign. Then
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  Speaker 1: Albo put it front and center in his victory speech
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  Speaker 1: after he blew the referendum. He said the issue was
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  Speaker 1: put to bed, but Penny Wong doesn't sound so sure.
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  Speaker 7: He thought it was the right thing to do, and
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  Speaker 7: you know a lot of the First Nations leaders wanted
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  Speaker 7: the opportunity. So look, I think we'll look back on
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  Speaker 7: it in ten years time and it'll be a bit
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  Speaker 7: like marriage equality, don't you reckon? Like I always just
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  Speaker 7: say marriage equality, which took us such a bloody fight
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  Speaker 7: to get that done, and I thought, all this fuss,
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  Speaker 7: it'll become something to be like people go. Do we
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  Speaker 7: have an argument about that? They weren't even like kids
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  Speaker 7: today or any even adults today, barely kind of clock
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  Speaker 7: that it used to be an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, those comments sent media and politics into a spin
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  Speaker 1: about a legislative voice being back on the agenda.
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  Speaker 4: It's obvious that the Prime Minister shares the view of
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  Speaker 4: Penny Wong. He just is not as honest as Pennywong.
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  Speaker 4: And Australians should know that if you vote for Anthony ibneasy,
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  Speaker 4: he hasn't listened the first time around in relation to
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  Speaker 4: your decision on.
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  Speaker 1: The voice referendum.
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  Speaker 4: Send him a message at this election that no, we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to support the voice legislated by Labor and
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  Speaker 4: the Greens and treaty and truth telling because we said,
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  Speaker 4: we expressed out of you very clearly.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's like a.
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  Speaker 4: Strange to be scratching the head saying I thought the
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister had heard that we said no, And now
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  Speaker 4: it turns out Labour's thinking about legislating it and it
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  Speaker 4: would be first order of businesses and say between a
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  Speaker 4: Labor Green's government.
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  Speaker 1: Said enough, alban Easy and Wong were hosing it all down.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's not what the Foreign Minister said at all,
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  Speaker 3: And she's right here, so probably not a great idea
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  Speaker 3: of verbal penny Wong while she's sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all very jolly of course with his hometown crowd
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  Speaker 1: at the Canberra National Press Club.
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  Speaker 2: But does he still believe in an Indigenous voice or not?
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  Speaker 2: Your guess is as good.
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  Speaker 1: As mine, because the Prime Minister says it wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: his idea. He just did what Indigenous Australians asked of him.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was something I said I would do
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  Speaker 3: and we did. We also see we would respect the
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  Speaker 3: outcome and we have what we are now working towards
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  Speaker 3: is practical Reconciliation Act.
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  Speaker 2: How believable is alban easy?
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  Speaker 1: Instead of making another promise to lower the cost of living,
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  Speaker 1: he pretends that everything is the evil Coalition's fault.
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  Speaker 3: The Coalition have spent three years trying to make life
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  Speaker 3: harder for Australians because they thought it would make politics
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  Speaker 3: easier for them, talking Australia down to try to build
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  Speaker 3: themselves up.
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  Speaker 1: Look, this is inane stuff and it shows how low
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  Speaker 1: our politics have sunk. They're playing games while we see
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  Speaker 1: debt rising prices, electricity chaos and national security weakness as
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  Speaker 1: far as the eye can see, which makes a comment
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  Speaker 1: like this so incredible.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I'd just say, for young people across the country,
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  Speaker 8: Labor respects you. We respect you deeply and that's why
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  Speaker 8: we've got a policy offering that's going to make a
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  Speaker 8: real difference to you on the cost of living, on housing,
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  Speaker 8: on your HEX fees, and on other matters that you
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  Speaker 8: care about.
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  Speaker 1: This is a sick joke. It might be the biggest
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  Speaker 1: lie of the campaign to say Labor cares about the
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  Speaker 1: young because all Labor really has for young people is
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  Speaker 1: some corny TikTok clips and some costly hex debt giveaways.
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  Speaker 1: The real story of this election is that all of
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  Speaker 1: Labour's wild spending, all its giveaways and its extra public
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  Speaker 1: servants in Canberra, all of its expanding of government, and
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  Speaker 1: its unwillingness to show restraint and responsibility, all that creates
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  Speaker 1: a burden for young people. It's young Australians who will
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  Speaker 1: pay the higher taxes for longer to repay all this debt.
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  Speaker 1: Its younger Australians who will be hit by higher interest
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  Speaker 1: rates and lower standards of living because all this will
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  Speaker 1: deliver that This is intergenerational theft. If Labour holds on
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  Speaker 1: the government, it's young Australians will pick up the tab.
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  Speaker 1: They say. The rain falls mainly on the plane in Spain,
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  Speaker 1: but Spain also has a similar climate to southern Australia,
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  Speaker 1: so they get plenty of sunshine and wind. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: not the only ones with sunshine and wind, and their
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  Speaker 1: leftist politicians are right into renewables, lots of solar and
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  Speaker 1: wind just like us. And hey, presto, yesterday we got
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  Speaker 1: a glimpse into our own future.
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  Speaker 9: The sound of relief rings out in parts of Spain
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  Speaker 9: and Portugal after being cut off. Some are now reconnected,
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  Speaker 9: but authorities worn it could take weeks to fully restore.
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  Speaker 9: Monday saw carnage in the Spanish capital. Traffic lights at
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  Speaker 9: this roundabout makes for an almost lawless scene as cars
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  Speaker 9: and pedestrians navigates the disorder. It's a picture replicated across
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  Speaker 9: the country and in Portugal too. Both nations are entirely
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  Speaker 9: cut off.
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  Speaker 5: From power.
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  Speaker 9: As the train network grounded to a halt. Some stranded
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  Speaker 9: passengers in Valencia walks the rest of their journeys. Railway
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  Speaker 9: lines deserted and phone lines dead by lunchtime, office workers
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  Speaker 9: poured onto the streets dazed and disconnected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we keep pointing out that if you have too
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  Speaker 1: much renewable energy in your grid, it can't be stable.
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  Speaker 1: We roll out expert after expert to make these points.
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  Speaker 1: Yet Labor, the Greens and the Teals ignore it all
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  Speaker 1: and they pretend that Australia can be the first country
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  Speaker 1: to make a mainly renewable's grid work. We even had
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  Speaker 1: our own warning eight years ago when the leading renewable
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  Speaker 1: energy state when dark.
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  Speaker 6: This was the center of Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like an apocalypse.
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  Speaker 6: A city returned to the dark ages. Nineteen people were
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  Speaker 6: rescued from stranded elevators across the CBD nine news was
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  Speaker 6: there when this mother and her two children were freed
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  Speaker 6: by the MFS. Many had experienced blackouts before, but an
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  Speaker 6: entire state in the dark is without precedent.
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  Speaker 1: And what did South Australia do after that blackout? It
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  Speaker 1: spent hundreds of millions of dollars on fossil fuel fueled
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  Speaker 1: generators for emergency backup. Our electricity grid needs baseload power.
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  Speaker 2: The kind that renewables can't supply.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise, whether events or power surgeres can trip the whole system,
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  Speaker 1: and when there are blackouts, you need that baseload power
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  Speaker 1: to restore the grid. Renewables can't do that. That's what
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  Speaker 1: extended the crisis in Spain and Portugal and here in
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  Speaker 1: South Australia US. For cheaper and more reliable power, you
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  Speaker 1: need a substantial proportion of base load power to ensure
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  Speaker 1: your grid actually works. And if you're determined to shut
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  Speaker 1: down cold generation and you don't want large scale gas,
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  Speaker 1: then the only option is nuclear power. So if we
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  Speaker 1: want to reduce emissions to net zero, we need to
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  Speaker 1: include nuclear energy. That's obvious and undeniable. Anyone arguing otherwise
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  Speaker 1: is playing politics, and the longer we delay, the more
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  Speaker 1: it'll cost us. Much of this energy madness is driven
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  Speaker 1: by climate alarmism, as you know, the more hysterical labor,
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  Speaker 1: the Greens and the tills get about climate, the more
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  Speaker 1: unrealistic they are about energy, even though nothing we do here,
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  Speaker 1: according to the science, can make any discernible difference to climate.
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  Speaker 1: So have a listen to this bloke, Mark Seymour of
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  Speaker 1: Hunters and Collectors Fame.
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  Speaker 5: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: There, my name's Mark Semour.
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  Speaker 10: I'm a singer songwriter. I've been traveling around Australia now
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  Speaker 10: for decades, and I can't tell you how worried I
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  Speaker 10: am right now, along with many other musicians and artists,
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  Speaker 10: about the effect of human induced climate change on our
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  Speaker 10: capacity to get from one town to another, to get
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  Speaker 10: to festival's. Extreme weather is closing in on all of us.
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  Speaker 10: So if you are concern about human induced climate change
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  Speaker 10: when you go into vote on May three, consider this.
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  Speaker 10: There'll be no music on a dead planet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's written some brilliant songs, has Seymour, but he
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  Speaker 1: needs to spend some more time reading the weather records.
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  Speaker 1: There is no form of natural disaster in this country
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  Speaker 1: that is happening more often or more severely than it
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  Speaker 1: was a couple of hundred years ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the fact.
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  Speaker 11: I know.
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  Speaker 1: The alarmists say otherwise, but the facts don't support them.
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  Speaker 1: And no matter how often Seymour's tours are disrupted in
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  Speaker 1: this land of droughts and flooding rain, his concerts will
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  Speaker 1: never be possible without electricity. Yeah, musicians, just like the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us, can't support themselves without reliable and affordable electricity.
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  Speaker 2: Wrap your arms around that one.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Canberra now and catch up with Michael
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  Speaker 1: Schubridge from Strategic Analysis Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very keen to get your thoughts on the latest
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  Speaker 1: developments when it comes to alleged foreign interference in the
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  Speaker 1: federal election campaign. We showed these pictures last night of
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  Speaker 1: some volunteers in Monique Ryan's campaign in ku Yong, some
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  Speaker 1: Chinese speaking volunteers who said that they were told to
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  Speaker 1: go and volunteer for Ryan by the leader of the
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  Speaker 1: Hubai Association. And here's what Monique Ryan had to say
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  Speaker 1: about all of this.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not sure about the interpretation of that video, you know,
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  Speaker 12: whether it's a accurate but you know, certainly no one's
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  Speaker 12: been compelled to volunteer for me. But I'm grateful for
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  Speaker 12: those people who have come out to volunteer on my campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Manik Ryan yesterday. So David, my question to you is,
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  Speaker 1: while sorry, Michael, your brother is David, of course, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: the question is that while the Australian Next Electoral Commissioned
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  Speaker 1: Australian Federal Police ASIO look into this, what are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts about the possibility of Beijing's tentacles working all their
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  Speaker 1: way down to you know, a campaign volunteers in a
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  Speaker 1: marginal seat in Australia.
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  Speaker 13: Chris, I think these are very credible allegations and I'm
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  Speaker 13: delighted in one way that these alleged activities have been
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  Speaker 13: revealed and they can be investigated by the aec ASO.
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  Speaker 5: And the police.
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  Speaker 13: We know that the Chinese Communist Party sees foreign interference,
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  Speaker 13: interference in other countries and democratic countries important. Shi Jinpings
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  Speaker 13: built his United Front Work Department as a magic weapon
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  Speaker 13: to do that, and he's got form. That's why we've
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  Speaker 13: got these new foreign interference laws. So it's absolutely credible,
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  Speaker 13: and like you, I'm worried about some of the marginal seats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's look at another issue. Because the Home
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  Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Claire O'Neill, it's been revealed that there was
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  Speaker 1: some interchange about her getting some volunteers through the Hubai Association.
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  Speaker 1: There were claims that she had asked for this help.
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  Speaker 1: She says, it's the other way around here. She is
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  Speaker 1: on breakfast television.
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  Speaker 8: All I can say is my staff did exactly the
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  Speaker 8: right thing here. As I say again, I didn't make
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  Speaker 8: any requests for assistance from this organization. The support was
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  Speaker 8: offered to my team. My team declined that support and
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  Speaker 8: that was the end of the matter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's take the word that this was an
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  Speaker 1: offer made to her. But again, this is now being investigation,
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  Speaker 1: investigated by the Electoral Commission and presumably ASY and the
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  Speaker 1: federal police get involved in this.
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  Speaker 2: What are they.
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  Speaker 1: Playing at that are supporting Tials and supporting trying to
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  Speaker 1: support labor members. It mean tells us to usn't it
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  Speaker 1: that Beijing wants Anthony are but easy to win the election?
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  Speaker 13: Well, it's hard to see another reason that these potentially
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  Speaker 13: Beijing linked groups want to support particular candidates to get
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  Speaker 13: the vote out and are allegedly directed to vote for
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  Speaker 13: particular candidates. The candidates they're not giving this support and
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  Speaker 13: help to look like candidates they don't want to win.
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  Speaker 13: And that's what is so damaging about foreign interference in
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  Speaker 13: democratic processes like elections. That's why we've got laws against it.
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  Speaker 13: But the Chinese Communist Party is a long term player
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  Speaker 13: with this and they use these Chinese overseas associations to
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  Speaker 13: do this kind of interference.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for setting it out for us, Michael appreciated. Michael
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  Speaker 1: Schubridge there from Strategic Analysis Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I got himuddled up with his brother there.
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  Speaker 1: David Shubridge is a Greens senator in Canberra. Two brothers
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  Speaker 1: very close, but they see politics from different perspectives. One
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  Speaker 1: day I'm going to get him on here together. We're
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  Speaker 1: still working on that one. Let's cross now though to
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  Speaker 1: Hobart and catch up with One Nation leader Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 1: in Hobart, Pauline doesn't look like she's quite ready for her.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have Pauline ready for.
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  Speaker 1: Us just there at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: So what I think we're going to do is actually go.
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  Speaker 1: To our break early and we will come back and
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  Speaker 1: catch up with Pauline Hanson in just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
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  Speaker 1: Let's cross back to Hobart now and catch up with
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  Speaker 1: One Nation that leader Pauline Hanson, who's all plugged in
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  Speaker 1: and ready to go. Thanks for joining us, Pauline. You
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  Speaker 1: must have got the shock in your life today to
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  Speaker 1: find out through Penny Wong that Labor might be revisiting
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  Speaker 1: the Voice.
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  Speaker 14: Oh come on, Chris, it wasn't a shock to me
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  Speaker 14: to say it just outside the election. I've been telling
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  Speaker 14: people on the Flora Parliament since the Voice referendum was
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  Speaker 14: held that they wouldn't let it drop. I've seen it
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  Speaker 14: come in some of the legislation that put through is
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  Speaker 14: to enable these aboriginal people. It's been slowly being pushed
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  Speaker 14: through some of the legislation. I wouldn't trust the Albanese
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  Speaker 14: Green's government as far as I could throw them.
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  Speaker 1: So you take the Peter Dutton line is that Penny
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  Speaker 1: Wong was actually showing a little bit of honesty rather
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  Speaker 1: than rather than the misspeaking.
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  Speaker 14: Totally agree with you, and yes I do. And if
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  Speaker 14: they couldn't get it through the referendum when over sixty
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  Speaker 14: percent of a Strands voted against that, and I know
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  Speaker 14: you were for it, but the people had their say.
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  Speaker 14: They don't want this divisive policy of having a voice
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  Speaker 14: to Parliament, and I totally agree with them. And I'll
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  Speaker 14: tell you what, Chris, I've got another three years in
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  Speaker 14: there and I'm going to fight against it. So they
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  Speaker 14: try and do it, I will block it every which
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  Speaker 14: way and bring attention to the Strand people with regards
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  Speaker 14: to it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be mad. This is what the pri
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  Speaker 1: Minister said about it today.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: The voice to Parliament didn't come from me, came from
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: First Nations people who had a constitutional convention at Ularu
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: under the former government, under a process that they set
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: up that led to that. In twenty seventeen, we put
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: it to the Australian people, which was the gracious request.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: He just washes his hands of it. You know, he's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: not responsible for this. He's basically just whacked something up.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, he never came forward with the detail that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: he always promised. I mean, this is just a millstone
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: around then. There's right, Chris.
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: He lied about it right from the very start. It
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: was a thirteen page document. It was actually sent to
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: me on the quiet because these pages were left by
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: the niAA and a cafe in Canberra. They brought it
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: to my attention. I exposed it straight off what it
• 20:52
  Speaker 14: was in the documents. So therefore he then said on
• 20:55
  Speaker 14: it's only one page. They've lied and lied and lied.
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: And that's exactly this Prime Minister has done. He's lied
• 21:02
  Speaker 14: about immigration, cost living, everything he's lied to the people about.
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: I don't trust him and I hope the people wake
• 21:08
  Speaker 14: up themselves and don't give him another term of government.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that wormhole again. But
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the Ularu statement is one page. Those other documents are
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: attached to it, or were records of meetings leading up
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to it. It's a one page document day. I want
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to show you what Andrew Charlton said on the campaigning
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: trail on the weekend, questioning people about their religion.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what we showed last night.
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: What are you going to do for us?
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Andrew?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Are you a member of the Exclusive? What are you
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: going to do for us today?
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Andrew?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Are you and what does religion have to do with volunteering?
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: Are you going to answer my question?
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Are you going to ans him on? I'll take that
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: as a note see later.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: What are your views of a labor MP asking people
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: about their religious affiliations?
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: Got nothing to do with it? It shouldn't be raised. What's
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: that got to do with it? I totally agree, you know, so,
• 21:57
  Speaker 14: I don't know what were they leading to, Chris, I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 14: not aware of that, but what I'm hearing I think
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: it's ridiculous. Why are someone's.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Religion labour seem to be paranoid that the Brethren a church,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a Christian church, is supplying volunteers to the Liberals and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: so therefore they seem to be able to ask people
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: whether they're Brethren. They don't ask anybody else whether they're
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Muslim or Hindu or Catholic or whatever.
• 22:22
  Speaker 14: No, it doesn't. And I know some volunteers up here
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: in the northwest coast of Tasmania have actually come out
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: to help me, and they've been threatened by the Labor
• 22:29
  Speaker 14: Party as well up there because they've tied to a
• 22:32
  Speaker 14: certain church. And they said, well, we're going to stand
• 22:34
  Speaker 14: out ground. We're still going to hand out how tobout
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: cards for the One Nation Party. So this is the
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: bullying that goes on behind the scenes. People have no
• 22:41
  Speaker 14: ideas some of the bullying tactics that happens, but it's many.
• 22:45
  Speaker 14: You know who does it, The Greens and the Labor
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: they're the worst for it. And I've been in this
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: game for a long time and i know what the
• 22:51
  Speaker 14: hell I'm talking about.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the left to political hatred better than anybody else,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I want to show you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: One of the texts me is that the Trumpet of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots are sending out to people. A lot of people
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: are getting this.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I've got this unsolicited.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: They say that voting One Nation is a vote for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, don't be fooled. It's no nation vote
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: trumpet of patriots. Your response to that sort of attack.
• 23:17
  Speaker 14: Look, even Suellin got on to an out and said
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: One Nation is evil. Sue Allen has been very gracious
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: to me over the past three years. She is the
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: chief of staff to Senator Babet and has always complimented
• 23:29
  Speaker 14: me and One Nation on our policies. And Senator Babt
• 23:32
  Speaker 14: actually votes with us most of the time and Florid Parliament,
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: if not all the time. So the whole fact is
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: this is just sour grapes on behalf of Clyde Palmer,
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: who couldn't take over my party. It was not for
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: sale and I'd enjoin up with him for him to
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: control me. So anyway, this is just sour grapes and
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: it's a shame because again it's dirty politics that's happening here.
• 23:53
  Speaker 14: He's not here for the best interests of the country,
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: and people vote for him, it's going to be a
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: wasted vote because he doesn't really care the people out there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: It's all in Clive Palmer's self interests.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And all of his dads still tell us that Suelan
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: is going to be the next prime Minister, So it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: going to bear a shock result on Saturday, no doubt.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline Happy campaigning Pauline Hanson there
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in the fading light of Hobart. I'll get pretty chilly
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: down there tonight. I imagine. Let's get back to this
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: energy debate and I want to catch up with the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: issue I mentioned earlier, which was that open letter to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Australians where fifty leading nuclear scientists, economists, businessman and environmentalists
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: have signed in this letter that's calling for a reality
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: check in the energy debate. They say Labour's green dream
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: could cost up to nine trillion dollars over thirty five years,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and they're calling for the lifting of the outdated and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: unscientific ban on nuclear energy. Let me cross out to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: one of the signatories. That's Jasmine Dab from the Global
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Nuclear Security Partners Australia.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: She's joining us live from Perth.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Jasmine. This open letter,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it's pretty detailed. It calls out the six hundred billion
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: dollar falsehood that labor are spreading. But you've put it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: into the debate pretty late in the campaign.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Tell us what you hope to achieve, what.
• 25:15
  Speaker 17: We hope to achieve here is really giving the Australian
• 25:19
  Speaker 17: public a bit more transparency on the energy discussion, because
• 25:23
  Speaker 17: what we've seen over the past few months, and it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 17: ramped up significantly in the last few weeks, is a
• 25:30
  Speaker 17: lot of misinformation and people throwing quite large figures out
• 25:35
  Speaker 17: into the debate that aren't grounded on any scientific or
• 25:40
  Speaker 17: engineering basis or fact. And when you scratch the surface,
• 25:45
  Speaker 17: you find that a lot of these supposed lobby groups
• 25:48
  Speaker 17: that are looking after the environment are actually being funded
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: by organizations that have their hand in the pipe for
• 25:57
  Speaker 17: renewables to succeed in Australia, and that they are benefiting
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: from it from an economic sense rather than from what
• 26:04
  Speaker 17: is in the best interests of Australia and its energy
• 26:07
  Speaker 17: policy going into the future. And this is where we've
• 26:11
  Speaker 17: come together as a group of professionals that are really
• 26:14
  Speaker 17: concerned that our energy is not being driven by science,
• 26:19
  Speaker 17: is not being driven by engineering. It is being driven
• 26:22
  Speaker 17: by people who have a monetary vested interest in it
• 26:26
  Speaker 17: or are ideologically trying to push agendas, which is not
• 26:30
  Speaker 17: helpful when what we need is clean, reliable energy now
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: and long into the future, not just in the next
• 26:39
  Speaker 17: four years for a government to be in power.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt. As they always say, follow the money,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and all these renewable energy interests benefit massively from government subsidies,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: either directly or indirectly. So there's a huge financial interest
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: for all of those companies to push the status quo
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and all the people who invest in them. And the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: lies being told about nuclear seems so absurd. Six hundred
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: billion dollars and it can't work, it will be unaffordable.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: That it just goes against the experience of the twenty
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: or so largest economies in the world.
• 27:15
  Speaker 17: You're one hundred percent right. We are seeing nuclear power
• 27:18
  Speaker 17: roll out all across the world and economy is thriving
• 27:23
  Speaker 17: because of that. Germany was a really great example of
• 27:27
  Speaker 17: what removing reliable nuclear from their system did. It created
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: an increase in energy costs for the consumer. It also
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: is driven out manufacturing an industry from a country that
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: was world renowned for its engineering and manufacturing. And we
• 27:45
  Speaker 17: can see this. We don't need to be the experiment
• 27:48
  Speaker 17: to prove it again. So this is why we're calling
• 27:52
  Speaker 17: out some of this misinformation and saying, hey, if we
• 27:56
  Speaker 17: want to be serious about saving the Australian in environment,
• 28:00
  Speaker 17: if we want to be serious about reducing carbon emissions,
• 28:04
  Speaker 17: and if we want to be serious about being a
• 28:06
  Speaker 17: country that has reliable and stable electricity, then let's listen
• 28:10
  Speaker 17: to the science and engineering. Let's remove the ban on
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: nuclear energy, Let's do some proper modeling, cost analysis, feasibility studies,
• 28:19
  Speaker 17: and no matter how the election turns out on Saturday,
• 28:22
  Speaker 17: all politicians need to actually start listening to professionals at
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: work in the energy space that are not coming with
• 28:30
  Speaker 17: their hands shuckled to renewable investors, that are not coming
• 28:35
  Speaker 17: with hidden agendas, that are coming with the want to
• 28:40
  Speaker 17: have a good energy system in Australia now and into
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: the future.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Now, now, this is the point, though nobody is suggesting
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in Australia you're going to have a grid that's sort
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of ninety percent powered by nuclear or even seventy five
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: percent like France. There will be other forms of energy,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: including renewables. But because you have such a sparse grid anyway,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and it's getting even more spread out because of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: addition of transmission and renewables, you must have what thirty
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: percent of base load power to keep it stable. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: if we don't have coal fire generation there. We don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: want fossil fuel so to be burnt. The only option
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to do that is nuclear. Otherwise, don't we end up
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: in the situation like Spain and Portugal this week where
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the system tripped out and they can't even restart it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: because they have too many renewables.
• 29:31
  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a really great point, because I think that's
• 29:35
  Speaker 17: the fear we've all come to this open letter with,
• 29:39
  Speaker 17: is that what happened in Spain and Portugal this week
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: is a really great example of what happens when you
• 29:45
  Speaker 17: have dominance of renewables on a grid. The electricity system
• 29:49
  Speaker 17: just doesn't have the frequency control in place to keep
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: that reliable power generation if something changes within the grid.
• 29:59
  Speaker 17: So here in this instance, there was slight temperature controls
• 30:02
  Speaker 17: apparently that caused the system to trip. And because renewables
• 30:07
  Speaker 17: are so unreliable in how much energy they generate and
• 30:12
  Speaker 17: put into the system that frequency fluctuates, we at the
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: moment rely on coal to give us that energy stability
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: in our grids, and so if we do have fluctuations
• 30:24
  Speaker 17: from our wind or solar generation, it's okay because coal
• 30:28
  Speaker 17: is there to give us that inertia to keep the
• 30:31
  Speaker 17: system going so it doesn't just shut out and leave
• 30:33
  Speaker 17: us with nothing. And so when we see figures like
• 30:37
  Speaker 17: eighty two percent renewables on an Australian grid, the fear
• 30:41
  Speaker 17: is that we will not have enough baseload energy there
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: to prop up that grid when it does have fluctuations.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: That is the great fear. Indeed, thanks so much for
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: explaining that to us, Jasmine. I appreciate Jasmin dB there
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: from Global Nuclear Security Partners Australia, one of the signatories
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to that open letter to the country.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at it in.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: The newspapers today or click through to the full letter
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: courtesy the linked They supply we're.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Going to better get to a break.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: On the other side, the Manchurian candidates will talk more
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: deeply about how China is meddling in our campaign.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: James Patterson will join me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Let's deal further into some of these concerning issues about
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: campaigning in this country at the moment with the Shadow
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Home Affairs Minister and the coalition's campaign spokesman James Pattison.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Sanat first up, let's talk about
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Chinese interference. We've had this case of volunteers in Quyong volunteering,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that they've come to support Monique Ryan because
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of a request from the WHO Bay Association.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And we've heard your counterpart now, the Home.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Clara O'Neil, saying that her campaign was offered
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: support from the same organization. This is being investigated now
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: by federal authorities. Are there concerns that this involvement of
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: WHO by Association could be more broadly spread throughout throughout
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the campaign? Well, Chris, it was.
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: Bad enough already when we had Monique Ryan's campaign in
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: Broiler In this it is even more serious that we
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: now have a labor campaign and also, according to reporting
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: in the Australian newspaper, a Green's campaign involved as well.
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: It's especially surprising that Clara O'Neil has found herself caught
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: up in this because as the former Minister for Home Affairs,
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: no one in the Federal Parliament should better understand the
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: risks of foreign interference than her. No one would have
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: been briefed more often and in a more detailed way
• 32:35
  Speaker 15: than her. She was previously responsible for Azo and so
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: for her campaign to be caught up and this is
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: especially troubling. It is a good thing that the AEC
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: has taken this up that it will be considered for
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: investigation by the Electoral Integrity Assurance Task Force. But I
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: have to say I'm quite disappointed that when asked on
• 32:51
  Speaker 15: Breakfast TV this morning, Clara O'Neill was not able to
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: say that she would refer it herself for investigation to
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: that task force. Nick Ryan recognized it should be referred
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: for investigation. For Clara O'Neill to fail to refer herself
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: is a very concerning thing and a disappointing thing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Are you confident there's been no such offer or involvement
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in any coalition campaigns.
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: I'm not aware of any offers or involvement in any
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: coalition campaign and if that were the case, I would
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: hope that they would have rejected any of those offers
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: as well, But I'm not aware of any.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: If the allegations, though at this stage, focus on support
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: for Teal Labor and Green's campaigns, does that tell us
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that Beijing wants Anthony Alberneesi to be re elected.
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: I'll be very cautious responding to that, Chris, for reasons,
• 33:41
  Speaker 15: and I think you'll understand. But what I can say
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: more broadly and without getting into these specific examples. If
• 33:47
  Speaker 15: you were a foreign authoritarian government and you were wanted
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: to weaken or destabilize Australia, you would probably prefer that
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: there be a hung parliament, that no party have a majority.
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: In fact, there was leaked intelligence out of in there
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: before not this election, but their previous election that one
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: of the objectives of the Chinese Communist Party in Canada
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: was to have a weak government and they thought that'd
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: be best achieved by a parliament without any majority government.
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: So I certainly think in an uncertain and dangerous world,
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: a strong majority government is much preferable to hung parliament.
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: And obviously I would say I particularly wouldn't want to
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: see an Albanesi government re elected in minority with the
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: Tills and the Greens, because they do have dangerous views
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: when it comes to national security and defense. That attacked
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: aucas as just one example.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Well, we've got to await the investigations, but we've also
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: got to be frank about this, and this is the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: concerns about foreign interference have been around for a long time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Both major parties have focused on those and recognized those
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and cooperated on laws combating foreign interference. So well, will
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: await the investigations, but it's highly concerning during this campaign.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I want to go to another aspect of the campaign
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: trail that I highlighted yesterday, and that's the Labour MP
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: for Powers Matter Andrew Charlton questioning the religion of people
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to see whether they're members. These are Liberal volunteers, to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: see whether they're members of the Exclusive Brethren. Here's what
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: he had to say.
• 35:16
  Speaker 15: What are you going to do for us?
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Andrew?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Are you a member of the Exclusive? What are you
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: going to do for us today?
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Andrew?
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: Are you?
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: And what does religion have to do with volunteering?
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: Are you going to answer my question?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Are you going to answer them?
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: On?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I'll take that as a note, see you later now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: James Patterson, there are members of this religion volunteering for
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Liberal candidates, maybe other candidates as well. I don't know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but is it appropriate for MPs to be going around
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: asking people about their religious affiliations?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Chris?
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: I thought your editorial on this last night was very
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: powerful and I'd ask anyone watching that to imagine if
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: a federal member of Parliament took out their phone to
• 35:53
  Speaker 15: film or take a photo of any other volunteer and
• 35:56
  Speaker 15: ask that volunteer instead of being member of the exclusive
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: Brett instead said are you a Jew? Are you a Muslim?
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: Are you a Sikh? Are you a Hindu? That would
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: be rightly, widely, overwhelmingly condemned by everybody who saw us.
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: But apparently it's okay, at least in the Labour Party's
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: view for Andrew Scharlton to behave in this way. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 15: think it is an outrageous thing for a federal member
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: of Parliament to do. We have no state religion in Australia.
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: There is no bar for public office of people of
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: any religious belief. And whether you are not religious as
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: I am not, or whether you have any other sort
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: of religious faith, you're very welcome to participate in public
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: life in Australia, and you're very welcome in the Liberal
• 36:33
  Speaker 15: Party too, if you share the values of the Liberal Party,
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: particularly a commitment to religious freedom and freedom of expression,
• 36:38
  Speaker 15: freedom of conscience, freedom of brief belief. So I was
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: disgraceful behavior from Andrew Shlton. He should be embarrassed by
• 36:43
  Speaker 15: it and his Prime Minister should condemn you for it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Senator, I appreciate it, Senator
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: James Patterson. They're the Coalition spokesperson also Shadow Home Affairs Minister.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break. On the other
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: side of that, we'll catch up with Danika de Georgia
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and Joe Hildebrand with their final elections. Don't go away,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: let's cross back down to camera now. I want to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: catch up with Phil Coourry, who's the Australian Financial Reviews
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: political editor. Great to catch up with you again, Phil,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: them Look, I wanted to talk to you about this campaign,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: right because you and I have been around a while,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: We've seen campaigns change over the years. It's the easiest
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: thing in the world, right to say it's a lackluster campaign.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Both of them are sort of no big ideas from
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: either side, all the rest of it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to get your thoughts on.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Whether the actual way that campaigns are running has changed
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: or whether they're actually outdated. Like taking planeloads of journals
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: around the country to try and get pictures to hit
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the evening news when so much of what happens now
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: actually plays out on social media and the like.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts on how the campaign has evolved.
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: If you like, yeah, no worries, Chris, look, it certainly
• 37:56
  Speaker 18: feels like we're in a bit of a transition, doesn't
• 37:57
  Speaker 18: it done between the old and then you?
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: And you know?
• 38:00
  Speaker 18: It even sort of harks back to some criticism of
• 38:03
  Speaker 18: Peter Dun't today because he didn't do the National Press Club.
• 38:05
  Speaker 18: Is that really something you need to do anymore? Look,
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: I think still both are necessary.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: That the thing I've.
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: Noticed most of this campaign that's really sort out is
• 38:15
  Speaker 18: the ever increasing reliance on social media, the targeting of people,
• 38:19
  Speaker 18: the use of memes, the use of TikTok, the messaging
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: on tic tac.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I think it's actually dumb down a lot of stuff now.
• 38:26
  Speaker 18: I mean absolutely, we used to talk about MP's having
• 38:29
  Speaker 18: a talk in grabs for the TV news. Now it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 18: it's even more in nane than that. And I can
• 38:33
  Speaker 18: and they have no choice but to sort of join
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: the fray. So I think, you know, one element, you've
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: still got sort of sort of more sort of reason,
• 38:41
  Speaker 18: sort of sensible, long term sort of analysis. And then
• 38:44
  Speaker 18: you're boiling it down to a rabbit in sunglasses dancing.
• 38:47
  Speaker 18: And someone said, if you don't understand it, it's not
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: aimed at you. So I'm not sure what's going on.
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: It's as varied as it's ever been, for sure, Chris.
• 38:55
  Speaker 18: And but I still think you know that they got
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: to get around physically. The leaders still need to get around.
• 39:00
  Speaker 18: If you don't go somewhere, you get told off and
• 39:02
  Speaker 18: not going somewhere, And if they're going to be somewhere,
• 39:04
  Speaker 18: there might as well be someone tagging along to ask
• 39:06
  Speaker 18: them questions.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: The Yeah, one thing I give the alb and Easy
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: credit for in this campaign is facing up for four debates,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: four debates throughout the campaign, even into the last week
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of the campaign. That's that's good for democracy. I don't
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: know why he took that risk, but it would be
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: good if that became commonplace in our federal campaigns.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Oh god, don't start that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: Yeah, as you know, I think three is the most
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: I can ever remember. And they usually get them done
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: pretty early in the campaign. You know, you get them
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: done in the first couple of weeks because you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 18: typically it's all downside risk for the incumbent because it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: a lot easier for an opposition leader just to throw
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: rocks and they don't have a track record to defend
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: and promise the world. But I think actually unbalanced, Chris,
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: you may disagreement. I think Albanize has done better than
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: don't in terms. Out of the four debates, I thought
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: he came out of that seven one on Sunday night
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: in better shape than done And I thought, but you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 18: they've all been pretty close.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: But it's certainly not without risk. I agree.
• 40:04
  Speaker 18: You know, as journalists we shouldn't be discouraging them from
• 40:06
  Speaker 18: doing this because we're all for transparency and accountability. So
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: you know, long should it continue? But I'm not sure
• 40:13
  Speaker 18: whether it hit well. There's a few nervous people.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Dunton.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I thought Dunton had the better.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I thought that Dunton had the better of him in
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: all the debates, but so you should as opposition leader.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And he never delivered any sort of a knockout blow.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So I think Albanezi didn't lose anything really from the debates.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So so just to wrap up, then, when you look
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: at it this way, then do you sit there in
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Canberra covering most of the campaign, do you not feel
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the need to jump on those caravans with.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Either the opposition leader or the time.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Is there too much happening now that you actually have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to try and keep across it all?
• 40:47
  Speaker 18: Yeah, Look, we do both at the AFR like personally,
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: I don't travel that much anymore.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: I've done I've done that. You know, a young person's
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: job no longer.
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: It keen to get on the COVID Express as they
• 40:57
  Speaker 18: call these buses now, and you know, getting up at
• 40:59
  Speaker 18: five in the morning and doing forced cities in a day,
• 41:02
  Speaker 18: and it's pretty it's difficult for someone from my position,
• 41:06
  Speaker 18: I'm sort of reasonably senior and my jobs to sort
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: of try and you know, sort of wrap it all
• 41:10
  Speaker 18: up and push it forward the end of the day.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: And that that's nigh on impossible.
• 41:13
  Speaker 18: And the value of traveling, I guess is diminished Chris,
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: because there's now separate aeroplanes. I guess when I used
• 41:19
  Speaker 18: to do it, the leader would be on the plane
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: with you, and at less you get a bit of
• 41:22
  Speaker 18: time with them that come down the back.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: That that doesn't happen anymore.
• 41:25
  Speaker 18: And having said that, we send, we send fairy. You've
• 41:27
  Speaker 18: seen your people on the road. You know a lot
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: of my colleagues, My colleagues are out there there, all
• 41:32
  Speaker 18: serious people. And I think you, to your readers or
• 41:35
  Speaker 18: your listeners or wherever you effort to try and do both,
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: because you've got to cover it from all angles, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: my colleagues have done a pretty good job on the road.
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: Their job is basically to tell tell a story I
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: can't tell from here, and I think between us it
• 41:49
  Speaker 18: all works pretty well.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all changing rapidly, like everything else. When it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: comes to media and the politicians, I think finding it how.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: To keep up.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Phill, I appreciate it. Phil Kouri there,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: who's the political editor of the Australian Financial Review. Let's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: get into the Wednesday wrangle now with the Dnika de
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Giorgio and Joe Hilda brand good To said, you guys,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: why don't we pick off with your election predictions? Now
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you go for this, Joe, Oh, thank you. I'm glad.
• 42:16
  Speaker 19: I think we end up with a sort of the
• 42:18
  Speaker 19: mid to high seventies for Anthony Albernezi and Labor and
• 42:22
  Speaker 19: I think.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Look a mid to high you know, minority, all majority,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: jority majority majority.
• 42:28
  Speaker 19: So yeah, so I'm think, sorry, top seven or high seventies,
• 42:31
  Speaker 19: seventy six to seventy nine, I would say. And to
• 42:35
  Speaker 19: be honest, I don't see the coalition picking up net
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: more than a handful because I think they'll lose Brad Field.
• 42:41
  Speaker 19: It's possible they'll lose like Heart in Queensland. They'll pick
• 42:45
  Speaker 19: up probably a couple or a few in Victoria, but
• 42:48
  Speaker 19: they'll be offset by I mean, Ben Along, I think
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: is technically liberal.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Now I reckon they've got to get ten all up
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: or or it'll be an absolute disaster.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon? I agree.
• 42:56
  Speaker 20: Look, I think it will be a labor minority, which
• 42:58
  Speaker 20: is a disaster, especially this brand of Greens. It's a
• 43:01
  Speaker 20: very dangerous brand of Greens. But as we know, Chris,
• 43:04
  Speaker 20: there's so many undecided voters still and Liberal Party are
• 43:07
  Speaker 20: confident it could be one seat by seat. But overall
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: it's been a really boring campaign. You can understand why
• 43:12
  Speaker 20: voters are completely disillusioned and they're turning to the minor parties,
• 43:15
  Speaker 20: which is a big problem. But I do believe it
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: will be a labor minority.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see. I think a lot of shy
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Tory votes out there and they're having a lot of
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: trouble polling them. But there need to be a lot
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: out there for the Lips to win. But I think
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: minority labor is where we're heading.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: We will see. Tell us we're going to talk about.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: The Trump factor and Donald Trump was actually asked about
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Anthony ALBERNISI at a phone call with the Australian Prime minister.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Have a look Australian prime.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: The election this week.
• 43:44
  Speaker 20: Here we don't speak to about trade.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: They are calling and they will be done if you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: don't be so there we are that Australia has been
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: trying to get a lot. Let's have a look at
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: what Peter Dunton had to say about this.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: It's a an amazing revelation but refreshing to know that
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: President Trump has a phone. So we're told by the
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister he may not have a phone. I don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: know why the Prime minister. He can't just be honest.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I'm me just say that I don't have his number.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Why do you have to say that I don't think
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: he owns a phone. It just seems strange, like falling
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: off a stage and then pretending there's no footage of
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you falling off the stage. It sort of gets weirder
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: and weirder by the day.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Not a bad point from Peter Dutton, I mean is
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: it is a very good point.
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: But what it does is it actually confirms what we
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: knew all along that Donald Trump is indeed ignoring Anthony
• 44:33
  Speaker 20: Albanesi's calls, and of course he is. I mean, Anthony
• 44:36
  Speaker 20: Albeasi has spent the past ten years dissing this man,
• 44:39
  Speaker 20: calling him all sorts of names, and it only just
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: occurred to him late last year. He thought, I got
• 44:43
  Speaker 20: a backpedal on this, So you can hardly be in
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: p surprised. And also Donald Trump can actually hardly be
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: that interested in Anthony Albanesi if he's going no, I know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 20: he's trying his heart out, He's trying his best.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm going to pick.
• 44:56
  Speaker 20: Up the phone.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But Joe, to be fair, he knows there's an election
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: on and he's going to wait and to talk.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: To whoever wins the election. Right.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 19: My understanding is that on the contrary, that Defat and
• 45:06
  Speaker 19: the embassy over there have made a conscious decision not
• 45:08
  Speaker 19: to pursue any negotiations while the government's in caretaker mode,
• 45:11
  Speaker 19: and be very weird if they did. I mean, how
• 45:14
  Speaker 19: do you negotiate with someone who you don't know is
• 45:16
  Speaker 19: going to be prime minister? And I mean unless they
• 45:18
  Speaker 19: listen to my podcast, in which case we will be
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: all the same.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: What about Elbow saying that Trump would never phone. That's
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: one of the low lights for us.
• 45:26
  Speaker 19: He's one of those weird things. But I think he
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: was just weird things he's making. He's obviously making a
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: joke about the fact that you know, like not, I mean,
• 45:35
  Speaker 19: no one has Donald Trump's mobile phone number. Joe Hockey
• 45:37
  Speaker 19: had to get it off Greg Norton.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Joe Hockey was able to get it quickly enough from
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: from Greg Norman. Look albo, just no one believes him.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Here he is again photos with everyone.
• 45:50
  Speaker 16: Okay, I stepped back one step.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: But I was I was sweet.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Joe says, I'm just going to keep shure.
• 46:10
  Speaker 19: How can the bloke deny what I'm obvious that happened
• 46:13
  Speaker 19: to me on camera? I would tell myself that it
• 46:15
  Speaker 19: didn't happen as well. Maybe it was doing that thing
• 46:18
  Speaker 19: where you pretend to go down the escalators behind the building.
• 46:21
  Speaker 20: Remember Chris when he said to us, my word is
• 46:23
  Speaker 20: my bond, My word is my bond. That's the man
• 46:26
  Speaker 20: who was supposed to trust. That's the problem.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: That's that looks like a two hundred and seventy five
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: dollars off my leg falling off a well I were
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: at I reckon it's a big problem for him, this
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: believability thing, but we might have it might be a.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Problem with him for years to come, three years to come.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Let me go to another issue we showed you last night,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the teal member for mckilla Sophie Scamps and the way
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that she tried to weave the tragic death of a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: young rugby league player into a climate change alarm is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and well.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: There's been a backlash. The family was very upset about it,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and she's issued some sort of an apology if.
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: There's any distress or upset, deeply, deeply sorry. There was
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: never any attention my intention at all, of course, love
• 47:12
  Speaker 11: and best wishes and deep apologies if there was any Well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: if sorry she is upset.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Is that good enough?
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Joe?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: If she is, yeah, I don't know.
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: I mean, I'm not sure if I'd like the kind
• 47:25
  Speaker 19: of you know, forcing someone out to apologize and then
• 47:27
  Speaker 19: shooting them back in the back of the head after
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: they do it and saying, well, that wasn't good enough.
• 47:31
  Speaker 19: But I think the more illuminating thing is that you
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: have people who were so there is such zealotry about
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: a particular issue that they are completely blinkered to just
• 47:42
  Speaker 19: where those kind of red lines are. And you see
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: it again and again with sort of you know, single
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: issue activists. This sort of hasn't where. You know, it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: not enough that you can talk about climate change and
• 47:52
  Speaker 19: how we might be able to best of mitigate it
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: or do something about it, but that it's out there
• 47:56
  Speaker 19: killing our children.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Except and that's what highlighted the alarmism.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And then they say, oh, gee, our kids are really
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: having a lot of struggle.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: There's anxiety in our kids about climate change.
• 48:06
  Speaker 20: Well I wonder why, Well, I wonder why when you've
• 48:08
  Speaker 20: got the tills peddling this nonsense. Look, firstly, we have
• 48:11
  Speaker 20: to remember at the heart of this as actually a
• 48:12
  Speaker 20: family who is grieving. So for Sophie Scoonce to use
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: this to score political points is an absolute disgrace and
• 48:19
  Speaker 20: just shows her sheer arrogance. Sure she's apologized today, Okay,
• 48:22
  Speaker 20: that's fine. But would she have apologized had she not
• 48:25
  Speaker 20: gotten caught? That would be the question I would ask.
• 48:27
  Speaker 20: It's really really poor and I just feel for the
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: family at the heart of this, whose own issues have
• 48:32
  Speaker 20: been dragged to the media because of this woman.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cut out the alarmism.
• 48:36
  Speaker 19: You know, it's not killing people and invoking for someone
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: else's child collectors, there.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Will be music, you know, life will carry on. Thanks
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: for doing.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Janka will catch you next week when the election will
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: be done. And Dustin stay tuned now for Peter Kreedlin