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Yoreh De’ah 208:3-210:3. Vows: Penalty, Amen, Words and Thoughts; Undoing Within 2 Seconds Toch Kedei Dibur · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Hey, good morning. We are continuing Hilkosundai.
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  I'm Ray Schett Gilmel. OK.
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  So where we left off was we learned that if it's generally
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  speaking, if we're going to give a KNAS that we need to do on a
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  Neder person violates A Neder Miderabana.
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  So we say he needs to be if he violates it and we're going to.
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  So then when he violates it right now, we have to undo the
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  Ned there. We have to do with tariffs and
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  dirham right away. We don't have to give him a
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  extra knas, but he can't keep his Ned there.
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  He's not he's not going to keep his Ned there.
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  So we're going to make or he doesn't want to or anyway in
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  general, we're supposed to be Matthew Nedarium.
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  We shouldn't make them in the first place.
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  We don't have to wait any extra when it's a Neder de Orisa and
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  he violates it Benazir he show me in the show gate.
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  But Shalkanara from Mapaska and Benazir, if you violate A Nader
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  Midorisa Benazir. So then we need to be matir.
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  But the knas is we wait. We don't be matir immediately.
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  We wait for all the days that he violated already.
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  He made another. He wasn't supposed to.
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  It's another there I So let's say he violated it for seven
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  days. So we say, OK, we have to do an
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  entire sedarium. But you know what, let's wait
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  seven days. There's exceptions.
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  That was the previous sieve. So here's another sort of
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  exception. Ahmed Varim Amurim.
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  When do we say you have to wait this whole week in our example
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  or the number of days it's lav Dafko week, it could be 10 days,
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  it could be one day. Can it be more than 30?
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  That's our see if she's sarikin hog isar kayami Shenahagbahan
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  head there. So whenever, when do we say we
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  have to give a Kanas for every day that he benefited and
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  violated the netter? So we say we have to add those
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  number of days until we do the hatara.
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  That's bhiyamim mohatim. That's only if it's not many
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  days, a few days. What is that about the Neru
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  being dio shoshimyom? But maximum is 30 days.
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  We don't make a Kanas longer than 30 days.
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  That's clearly the halacha. According to the Shalhana, the
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  Rama, the GRA and the Araka Shokhan that 30 days is the
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  maximum. And this is learnt out really we
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  only know by Naziris a Stam Nazir is 30 days.
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  So for certain things there's comparisons between nadarium and
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  Naziris, especially by a Huma dura.
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  By a qanas dura banan it would make sense.
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  But that's the Mahlokis already goes back to the Gemara how you
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  apply it. And the the Shah is Mahmir and
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  he says no Naziris is 30 days. But when for helkos nadarium
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  there's no maximum of 30 days, does it?
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  It's not shy that we don't make that connection.
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  And so therefore, even if you, if you violated it for two
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  months, you have to make him wait two months or however much,
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  however long it is. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, it's a Mahlokis.
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  We've shown him. Really.
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  Might be a Mahlokis tonight. Look at the Surya.
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  But yeah, you know, that's how he comes out.
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  One should not be Mako. Again, there's exceptions.
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  Basic exception is they can't wait that long that the person
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  can't can't control themselves. So then you don't even have to
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  wait. So so you to you know to fiya
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  inan. Depends on the case.
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  OK, but his point is better not to be make a you should leave
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  mock more for more than 30 days when appropriate.
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  Fine, let's do dalid MI shavar al nidli.
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  A person violates nidli EN sarik lean hog ISR kiyamin.
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  We don't have to add for the you know, he violated for a number
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  of days. We don't have to add and wait to
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  do attara for those number of days.
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  Shana hai baham hetter that he was no hai baham hetter MI penne
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  shenidui U derabana because nidui is derabana.
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  So the shock goes at length and he discusses, well he says that
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  nidui and harem, the etzem are a dindar Isa.
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  So it depends what you said. He also points out the Natas
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  points out that if you make a shivua that to be on a status of
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  a of a nidui, you know, to behave a nidui or whatever it
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  is. So then the shivua could be Dar
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  Isa. Yeah, Nidui's excommunication.
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  So he points out like this, if a person's put into Stam nidui, so
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  we have a list of halachas, what happens to this person who's put
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  in nidui? Those lists, that list of items
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  in general are all derabana. So if a person violates one of
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  those protein after gets, he puts a nidui.
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  So then those denium are derabana.
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  But if a person gets a net has a net there or a shivua based on a
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  nidui or a person has a nidui for a particular item.
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  So for that item it's a Jinderesa.
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  So it bottom line, it depends on the situation.
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  I mean he also points this out and Shinlam Nidala.
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  The sholkhanar also says one has to be Mahmir and wait, it's Sir
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  Ki Yamin. So that's it's not Astira.
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  It says it depends on what the case is.
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  If it's the item of nido is the raisa, so then we're Mahmar.
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  If the item is darabanan or Mako, that's in a nutshell.
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  Fine, that takes care of that. Let's go to Hey nishba Shaloisa.
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  Isha person makes a shivua not to marry a woman Toh Shalosh
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  Shani for three years the other and then he violates this
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  shivuah Vanessa and he marries her.
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  So pay attention. He's makes a shivuah not to do
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  an item that takes second a minute.
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  It's a one time item. It's not to do something not
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  particular whatever the shivuah is, let's just say it's a
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  particular woman person makes a shivuah not to marry a
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  particular woman. And and OK Ammar lashon
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  Shamashmo Shaloya asen you suing IMA if OK, depends on how you
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  how you word it. If it's just so that you're not
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  going to do a Maison, you suing A1 time item with her.
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  So then Javele Kanishpa and then you marry her.
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  So it's already done. You already did it.
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  It's all over Javele kanishba alakikar akhla.
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  So we're going to have this later on.
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  It's like a person makes a Shiva on a piece of bread and now he's
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  not going to eat it. And then he eats it, Shiva
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  Bhitoy, whatever it is, and then he eats it.
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  Well, he already swallowed it. It's all done.
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  So then the Nish al umatirinlo. And so then we immediately do
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  Ataris Nadarim to undo his Shiva.
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  In other words, he already violated the Shiva, but we want
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  to try and save him from the Avera.
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  So we want to retroactively undo his undo his shavua.
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  Yeah, it's related, but so yeah. So then yeah, because of the
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  Kanasa issue. Very good.
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  So then it's so that's a volume Amar lashwan Shamashmo
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  Shalottiya Ishto. But if he has the a word in the
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  expression, the way he words it is, I'm not going to be married
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  to you. It's not a A1 time thing.
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  This is a constant state of being, of being, of being
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  married to her. So then it it's not a one time
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  thing. And therefore as long as he is
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  married to her for those number of days, he's violating it.
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  So aim material though. So then we don't just do Hatara
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  sundarium right away because it's a constant state of being.
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  It's not a one time act. So then what do you have to do?
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  Yeah, chigeshanu migeshanu kiyamim shahram kalis Roche
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  benido. So for the number of days until
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  now that he was annoyed by kalis Roche, she, he must get divorced
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  from her, stay single for those number of days and then remarry.
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  And I'm assuming we're talking about less than 30 days.
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  OK. So for extenuating circumstances
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  like a Cohen, do I ask Karab what's the best case to do?
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  But Miss Stama, I was just off the cuff.
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  You would not divorce her because as we're learning over
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  here, it's only when a person's able to be Makayam and it's
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  reasonable. And where I was about to say the
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  shock to further to further appreciate what I just said, the
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  shock points out that he, he, he points out that when you're
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  making a shivua about marriage in as a as a byproduct, there is
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  you, you can, it's going to affect the mitzvah of Piria
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  verivia. So he says that's not a problem
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  because it's not a direct shivua on the mitzvah of piria verivia.
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  It's on being married to this woman, let's say.
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  So that's so that's the show. So that's how the show Hanar
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  Baskins. You have to get divorced.
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  And so too is the Sak of the Rama who concludes Ukavarni by
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  the Shoshimiyam Sagi. But you don't get divorced for
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  more than 30 days. But the Shah interestingly
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  points out that we're going to see later on.
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  He quotes the Orizurua who doesn't pass in this way.
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  It's a Maklokis Rishoni, and he says because it includes the
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  mitzvah period of Rivia, we don't give him this qanas to get
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  divorced. And the Shah says one could be
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  Mako, according to the orizurua. And certainly in your case of a
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  calling, I would assume everyone would agree.
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  But yeah, you can marry somebody else.
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  OK, Sorry, but it's not you're not going against the mitzvah
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  per SE. You're just applying that to
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  this one person, Ishazel, right, To never get married.
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  So then that would probably not be khal.
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  We'll get to there. But it's different over here.
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  And right. OK, so let's go to Resh Tet.
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  Very good. Good point, Simon.
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  Resh tet hashemesh chavero noder V Amar Amin.
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  OK, did you know that you're going to be learning Helkos Amin
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  and Helkos Yeradea or certainly Nadarian?
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  Well, here it is. Olive Ekhadhanodar me Atsimo.
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  A person makes another on himself.
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  Oshahidiro, Havero or someone else makes another for him.
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  He's he's he's doing all the speaking for you.
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  He's doing the proper lush on you.
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  Don't you say you want to make another and you don't know how
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  to how to do it correctly. So you say you go to your friend
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  who's more to learn it and you say make another for me, but you
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  say it for me and you learn you have to say it.
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  So as long as this, it could be you or it could be your friend
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  can say the Ned there for you. Not that it's call on him, it's
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  your Ned there. He just words it for you, the
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  Amar Amin. All you have to do is just say
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  the word Amin. Obviously you have to agree to
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  it. You have to understand it.
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  You have to mean it fine. But the point is the the
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  verbalization could be by your friend and the Amar Amin.
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  It works O davar Shi inano kanios Amin or you say any
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  wording that sounds like has the same understanding as saying
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  Amin. Can you guys Amin Shu kabala
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  stavarian where you accept what he says?
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  You know, I don't know I you say I do.
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  I don't know if that applies, but whatever it is you, whatever
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  you say, you say a wording that you know I accepted upon myself.
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  Whatever you say, you don't have to use that special 3 letter
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  word Amin and then it's haul on you avao que chagiro madero
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  michello in sari EC la Cabo de varo.
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  The Shokanar just said something points out, yes, it is probably
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  devar pashit that they point out, but he just points it out
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  that a person could be make a net there on his own items to
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  answer it to you or to his friend.
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  Because you can only make another on yourself or on your
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  objects that you own. You can't make a nether on
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  someone else on his objects or a shibua for someone else to do
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  something else without them saying the words Amin or
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  agreeing to it verbally. So it must.
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  But if it's your objects, you have total control to us or your
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  objects on to someone else and you don't need him.
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  You don't need him to accept it because it's not up to him.
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  It's your objects. You don't need him to even hear
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  it and you don't even need him to say yes or no.
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  It's Pasha, not up to him. OK, raish yut.
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  All right. And everyone agrees with that.
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  The ties, if I want to look into it, adds a little bit of a case
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  to add to it where maybe he says the Shalkanaka is referring to
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  another case that's not so obvious and we're going to see
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  it later anyway, later on. But anyways, let's go on.
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  Simon raish yut shesarikh lefarit haneder biswatov.
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  OK, so this is what we started to mention.
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  Aleph EIN haneder Khal ad shiyotsi bis Fatah via libo
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  appeal vilibo chavin. In order for another to be khal,
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  you must verbalize it out loud. It must be said, the words, and
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  you must mean it in the heart. Exactly what you're saying,
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  Lafika. Now I'll just point out over
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  here. I'm just going to point out, you
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  should just note by carbonos, it's different.
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  I know, I know we're not so used to it, but if you make a nether
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  to bring a korban in your heart, you don't verbalize it.
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  It's called araisa 100%. And that's a, it's a xeras
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  akasa. The it's from the Gomorrah
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  Chihuas Kaaba, Bama Baze and the Rambam in Maisa Krabanos.
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  Maybe in Para could give me a dollar over there, whatever.
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  So that's the ilaka by korbanos. So just so you get the full
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  picture because I don't know if we're going to see it over here.
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  So anyway, let's go back for our purpose is and the Darian
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  mention was it must be verbally said and P vilibo Shavin
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  everyone agrees P vilibo Shavin have to be.
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  But even by Corbenos le viejas aya bilibo lidor MI pat kitim, a
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  person has in mind he wants to make an editor against having
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  wheat bread, right? The hotsie Biswatov pat Saorim.
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  And then he mistakenly says the words patz ori, barley bread.
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  He says something different than what he had in mind, but there's
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  no Ned there whatsoever because you can't make another by your
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  mind and you can't make another verbally if you're thinking
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  something differently. So there's no another for any
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  either one of them. Ava in my available Patriti, if
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  in your mind you think you only want to make another on wheat
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  bread, oh, patz ori or anything like barley bread, whatever it
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  is, the hots in biswat of pot stump and the words that came
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  out of your mouth is just pot, just bread.
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  But you're thinking wheat, barley, oats spelled whatever it
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  is. You're thinking a particular
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  type of bread. I don't know, blueberry muffin,
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  whatever you're thinking about doesn't matter.
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  But you say the word pot, right, or cake, whatever it is, asur
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  bischel khitim levad. So you use the proper word
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  again. I mentioned it.
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  I don't mean to confuse you, but it has to be bread for bed, cake
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  for cake again. There's some things, you're not
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  quite sure which one it is. If it gets, you know, if it's
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  too sweet. But whatever it is, as long as
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  it's appropriate, then it's Hal. But only to the extent of what
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  you had in mind, not more than that.
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  All right. And if it's a contradiction,
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  then neither one is haul. That's what we said.
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  Mavad Hagar or bishal sorian. Mavad.
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  Right. Same thing.
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  OK. That's what we said.
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  The IM nadar al das ahirim. You know what?
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  Let me just point out over here. So we said over here, if you had
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  in mind one thing and you said something else, then it's not
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  haul at all. As long as the storm includes
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  it, like we said, then yeah. Then what you had in mind is
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  haul. But what I want to point out,
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  there's a rishonium over here, Mohlokas, also a mahlokas,
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  rishonium, mahonium, Mahalaka. What happens?
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  Everyone agrees if you have a mind to say one thing and you
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  say something else. That happens to us once in a
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  while, we don't always even realize it.
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  You're thinking one thing and you meant to say something and
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  you said something totally different.
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  And like, people look at you in the room, like what'd you just
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  say? So you, you know what you meant
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  to say. But something else came out that
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  everyone agrees. That's what we're talking about.
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  Very simple, however subtle difference.
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  Not to get too confusing, we'll just say it quick.
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  If you have in mind to make a net there only on pot heating,
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  for example, you only want to answer for yourself wheat bread
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  and you, but on purpose you say the word just bread.
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  You only mean one. In other words, you on purpose
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  said pat only. You only wanted to say the word
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  pat, and that is what you did. There was no mistake.
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  But in your mind it was only pat Kitim.
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  It's not that you had a mind to say pat Kitim.
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  You had a mind to say pat, but you wanted the nether to go on
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  only Pat Kitim. So on that there's a maclocas,
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  the base Josef says Libo vision PV Libo has to be the same and
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  it's not but and the Shah, the Taz, the Marshall, the Bach, the
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  Alpaskan. No, it's Khal because you said
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  what you meant to say and Dvarim should believe enam Dvarim.
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  You can't quantify hiddenly in your mind as Dvarim should
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  believe enam Dvarim doesn't work.
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  So if you meant to say a pot, even though you wanted to make
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  the Ned there on pot heating, but you only said the word pot
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  and you meant to say only the word pot, then your nedders haul
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  on all breads. But that's not the opinion of
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  the the Basosef and our Ashokan. I'm not exactly clear what he
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  says his stock. He points out that it's a mock
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  locus rishonium and the Basosef is correct according to Tosos.
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  But the other opinions are going, I think according to the
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  rush and others. But OK, I'll leave that part as
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  a side thing. OK, the IM Nader al dos Saharan.
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  Now if you make another and you specify that my dos, what it
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  qualifies or what's included is on what the other person has in
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  mind. So it ain't a totally believable
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  anymore. So then it doesn't matter what
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  you have in your mind, because your mind was his mind.
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  Al kafima shiyomurua kherimshu da Tom.
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  It depends on what they tell you.
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  Their das is ka Yahoo and nether and so too the nether will
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  befall according accordingly. OK, let's do the next couple
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  ones. Vaes another bakala MENA kulum
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  of a person in his dream makes a nether.
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  It's an alcohol, it has nothing, no substance.
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  You don't even need to do any kind of hataras.
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  Nadaram vyesh ulrim shyatiro lo asara diyade le mikre.
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  Some say actually you should really get 10 people who know
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  how to read the Atirolo bekharata kiilo another be
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  haqits and all you need to do is just do a kharata.
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  That's going to be enough. Piesh lakhush debraham and
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  Lakhatila one should be mahmar and duataris Nadarian, the Shah
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  says and that's the minog. This is just just so you know,
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  the din itself is based on nidui.
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  A person had the the Gomara and the din and the gomars of a
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  person has is put into nidui and a dream, then he needs to do he
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  needs to to do attara on that, even if in the dream it gets
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  undone because parts of dreams are real and parts of dreams are
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  not real. You don't know what's real and
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  which parts not real. So that's the din by nidui.
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  The question is, and that's a more of a Simon Klala.
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  It's more serious question is, do you do we extend that to
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  nedarium? So Miyekar didn't know, but one
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  should be Mahmoud if possible. If you can't get 10, just get
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  three. Well, I have to break that up.
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  OK, important halacha. Any time you say 1 sentence, as
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  long as it's takade dibor and the amount of time it says to
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  say the words Shalom alekha rebi.
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  So I don't know how long that takes.
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  It's approximately 2 seconds. So then it it's, it's a
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  continuation and you can do, and you can already have this, it
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  doesn't count. You can undo it completely.
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  You can change the bracha, whatever it is, as long as it's
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  takade dibor. You can undo your neda takade
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  dibor. And if your friends tell you
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  talk they dibor to you, that's a bad idea.
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  Don't do it. So according to the shalkhanar,
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  the besiose, they have to say it within toka de dibor and you
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  have to then do undo it within toka de dibor to what they tell
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  you. So you're actually, it could be
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  4 seconds. You have extra time, they give
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  you 2, you get, they get 2 seconds, you get 2 seconds.
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  I'm just whatever it is, it's toka de dibor.
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  According to the, the Tazar Khashoggi and the Shah, they
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  disagree with the Basosef and that's the Rama really.
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  Or that's this line over here, right?
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  For you to undo your Ned there, it has to be within talk of the
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  dibor of your Ned there. So they have to within one
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  second. It's not much time.
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  They have to like stop you. And then with then right away
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  you have to say, OK, fine, to take back within your Ned there,
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  you have to talk of the dibor. You don't get their extra time
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  who showed me a cockpit, but then has to be verbal because
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  your nether is verbal. This has to be verbal and the
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  the, the Oracle Shokhan says he just points out, but you, you
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  can piggyback. Even according to the Rama, you
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  get those extra 2 seconds. If your friends who are
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  meeklyou, they were part of the nether, like they're you're all
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  in the nether, they're shy to the nether.
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  So then it's a continuation because they're shy above.
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  If it's just some you know, people next to you have no
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  shyness to the nether, then that doesn't give you extra time
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  about Imamar Hazarti, believe me, ain't no clue.
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  But if it's in your heart, it doesn't help.
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  You can't go later and say in my mind I undid it right away
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  because should believe and.