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Can Democrats Win a Shutdown Fight? · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 3: On today's show, Trump promises more political prosecutions and retribution.
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  Speaker 3: The military has arrived to liberate war-ravaged Portland. Stephen Miller
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  Speaker 3: wants to investigate people who promote progressive causes as domestic terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: The president of peace says he's close to a deal
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  Speaker 3: to end the war in Gaza. And an AI version
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  Speaker 3: of Trump is offering all Americans a non-existent medical technology
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  Speaker 3: that QAnon believes can bring you back from the dead,
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  Speaker 3: which we know about. Thanks to a post from the
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  Speaker 3: real Donald Trump. We'll get into it. We'll get into it.
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  Speaker 3: But let's start with a government shutdown that has moved
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  Speaker 3: into all but certain territory. We've gone past looming. We've
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  Speaker 3: been barreling towards it for a while. And now it's
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  Speaker 3: all but certain. We're on the brink.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on the brink of it. Funding runs out
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  Speaker 2: at 12.01 a.m. on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: And so far, Trump and Republicans have refused to make
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  Speaker 3: any concessions to Democrats whose votes they need to keep
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  Speaker 3: the government open. Democrats want to stop health insurance premiums
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  Speaker 3: from going up and Medicaid cuts from taking effect. A
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  Speaker 3: White House official told Politico that Trump's response to Democrats'
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  Speaker 3: health care asks was, quote, go fuck yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Not inaccurate. No, no. Spot on.
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  Speaker 3: And in fact, his actions since then have borne that out.
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  Speaker 3: Trump is also threatening mass firings of federal workers who
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  Speaker 3: were furloughed during the shutdown. His press secretary said that, quote,
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  Speaker 3: food assistance programs for women and children in impoverished communities
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  Speaker 3: will come to an end, end quote. if Democrats don't
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  Speaker 3: drop their demands. And one Republican senator suggested Trump would
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  Speaker 3: use the shutdown to inflict pain on Democratic areas of
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  Speaker 3: the country, saying, quote, Meanwhile, a new Morning Consult poll
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  Speaker 3: of about 2,000 voters shows that 45% would blame Republicans
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  Speaker 3: for a shutdown versus 32% who would blame Democrats, with
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  Speaker 3: independents blaming Republicans by an even wider margin. Leaders of
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  Speaker 3: both parties met at the White House Monday to see
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  Speaker 3: if they could reach a last-minute agreement. And from what
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  Speaker 3: they said after the meeting, it doesn't seem promising.
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  Speaker 4: Laid out to the president some of the consequences of
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  Speaker 4: what's happening in health care. And by his face and
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  Speaker 4: by the way he looked, I think he heard about
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  Speaker 4: them for the first time. The closing of rural hospitals.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that so many clinics are closing. We are
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  Speaker 4: not going to support a partisan Republican spending bill that
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  Speaker 4: continues to gut the health care of everyday Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Period. Full stop.
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  Speaker 5: They have some crazy ideas. Giving taxpayer money to illegal
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  Speaker 5: aliens for health care, that's a crazy idea. Funding transgender
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  Speaker 5: surgeries in Peru, that's.
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  Speaker 2: A crazy idea. Let's work on it together, but let's.
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  Speaker 5: Do it in the context of an open government that's
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  Speaker 5: providing essential services to the American people. That's all that
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  Speaker 5: we're proposing to do, and the fact that they refuse
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  Speaker 5: to do that shows how unreasonable their position is. I
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  Speaker 5: think we're headed to a shutdown because the Democrats won't
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  Speaker 5: do the right thing. I hope they change their mind.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Senator Eric Schmidt referred to Guatemalan sex changes,
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  Speaker 1: but the ones that J.D. Vance is concerned about seem
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  Speaker 1: to be taking place in Peru.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is interesting.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're just, we're spreading the money around.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just sort of a, I didn't, just not aware
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  Speaker 1: of Medicaid covering all of these Latin American gender affirming issues.
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  Speaker 2: Surgeries. No, I think that's, I think it's U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, those are USAID.
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  Speaker 2: That's USAID cuts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Cause he also referred to DEI in Burma,
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  Speaker 1: Eric Schmidt did, uh, just as a, a note, they
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  Speaker 1: really will never acknowledge what they actually passed.
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  Speaker 2: In the one big, beautiful bill. They never will.
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  Speaker 1: They never like no Democrat, the, the, the, just the
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  Speaker 1: out and out lie Democrats are trying to use a
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  Speaker 1: trillion dollars or 1.5 trillion dollars for undocumented immigrants just
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  Speaker 1: brazen and false and makes me actually more receptive like
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  Speaker 1: we've all debated whether or not health care was the
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  Speaker 1: right fight but the way it plays out when they
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  Speaker 1: talk about it after makes it feel like it's more
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  Speaker 1: the right fight just because the Republicans are so willing
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  Speaker 1: to lie about.
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  Speaker 2: It yeah I mean Well, let's get, let's get, I just,
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  Speaker 2: that was just my reaction to the J.D. Vance claim. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's good.
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  Speaker 3: Look, people have strong reactions. I'm glad you raised the
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  Speaker 3: many South American countries that transgender surgeries funded by the
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  Speaker 3: American taxpayer may be taking place in.
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  Speaker 2: Can I raise a reaction? Yes, please. Speaker Johnson looked
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  Speaker 2: really short there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, it's funny, you went to Johnson because
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what's Lurch doing standing behind J.D.
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  Speaker 2: Vance there? Who was behind? Oh, Thunes Talk. No one
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  Speaker 2: lets Thunes talk. He just stands there. The man hasn't
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  Speaker 2: spoken since 2002. Honestly, I don't know what his voice
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  Speaker 2: sounds like.
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  Speaker 3: I think he seems happy about it because he's like,
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  Speaker 3: how the fuck did I get here?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was like a tea party-ish guy back in the
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  Speaker 3: day and pretty right wing.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm just like, what have these people done?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you stand still enough in the Republican Party,
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  Speaker 1: you will be the reasonable one.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's true. It's just a matter of how long
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  Speaker 2: you wait. How are you guys feeling about the Democrats'
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  Speaker 2: position heading into the shutdown?
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  Speaker 7: Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: Not great.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk more about South American surgery.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, that's more uplifting. I mean, I feel like we're
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  Speaker 2: like kind of the New York Jets right now. We're
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  Speaker 2: not looking good. I think Trump has shown that he
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  Speaker 2: can run circles around democratic leadership when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: messaging and communications, I think. I believe Russ Vogt, the
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  Speaker 2: OMB director, when he says that he would use a
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  Speaker 2: shutdown to speed up doge cuts and the destruction of
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  Speaker 2: the government. They also have demonstrated that no matter what
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  Speaker 2: we negotiate with the Republicans— The Trump administration will use
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  Speaker 2: the rescission process to just claw back money, even if
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  Speaker 2: it's illegal. Trump is clearly saying, I will punish Democrats
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  Speaker 2: in blue states if this happens. I think the ACA
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  Speaker 2: subsidies that we're talking about are really important to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. If we don't extend these ACA subsidies,
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  Speaker 2: tens of millions of people will see their premiums go
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  Speaker 2: up as much as 75%. And that's a huge deal
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  Speaker 2: and it's really bad. But I think almost no one
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  Speaker 2: knows what I'm talking about right now who's listening to
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  Speaker 2: the show, let alone like the broader electorate. And so
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  Speaker 2: I'm just, I'm worried, like, I was talking to a
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  Speaker 2: smart friend today about government shutdowns, someone who'd been through
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  Speaker 2: a few of them. And this person made the point
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  Speaker 2: to me that- You don't have.
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  Speaker 3: To talk about our conversation.
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  Speaker 2: That's us. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In our office.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But what did we say? I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: smart too.
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  Speaker 4: Go on.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we did. And said, no, it wasn't Dan. This
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  Speaker 2: person said to me, a shutdown is never a vehicle
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  Speaker 2: for legislative victory. At best, it's a vehicle for messaging,
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  Speaker 2: but usually voters just want the government to be open
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  Speaker 2: and to function. Love it. What do you think? So
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say that, like, I feel like I,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: And I watched your conversation with Faz and Matt Glassman.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were both very smart. I came away
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  Speaker 1: more uncertain. Uh, the, the, like, and I will say though,
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  Speaker 1: I also came away with a better appreciation for why
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  Speaker 1: healthcare might've been the right choice because the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a debate. It should it be about democracy
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  Speaker 1: or should it be about tariffs? And I do see
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  Speaker 1: one argument for why healthcare is the right fight is
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  Speaker 1: it is a place where you could see some concessions
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  Speaker 1: not feeling like a dramatic identity ego wound to Trump, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like there is the possibility of an ACA deal, right?
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  Speaker 1: Whether it comes in this debate or this negotiation or
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  Speaker 1: the one that would follow the CR where I find
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  Speaker 1: myself nervous is the way in which the strategy and
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  Speaker 1: leverage around the kind of old school normal political leverage
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  Speaker 1: gets muddied with what Tommy's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: And so you have- What part of what Tommy's talking about?
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  Speaker 2: So you have- Mike Johnson's height. You have just the
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  Speaker 2: old school.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson's height, Mike Johnson being a short king. So
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  Speaker 1: you have the old school sort of negotiation around a shutdown,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to give in, the party in power is
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  Speaker 1: forcing the votes, the party that's out of power, that's
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  Speaker 1: making the demands is seen as unreasonable. There's also, I
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  Speaker 1: think it still counts as normal politics, going to be
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  Speaker 1: the question of how long the filibuster holds, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is not getting enough attention in this, given that
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  Speaker 1: Republicans in just the past, what, two weeks undid part
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  Speaker 1: of the filibuster, and they've been playing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: games when they passed the one big, beautiful bill. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's been getting enough conversation as to what
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  Speaker 1: happens in a multi-week shutdown as Republicans come up with
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  Speaker 1: some way in which they can honor Thune's promise to
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  Speaker 1: not get rid of the filibuster on legislation while creating
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  Speaker 1: yet another exception and passing whatever the fuck they want,
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  Speaker 1: making our negotiation even harder for the longer-term spending bill
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  Speaker 1: to come. I'm worried about that. But then that gets
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  Speaker 1: combined with Donald Trump can start firing people. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: can target his political enemies. And there's two problems with that. One,
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  Speaker 1: he's already doing that. Yeah, he's already doing that. And
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  Speaker 1: so he will do that regardless. He did not need
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  Speaker 1: to shut down.
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  Speaker 2: You can get more authorities, I think, is the concern
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  Speaker 2: and make it happen faster and deeper cuts. Allegedly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Schumer doesn't think that's true.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I've person I was talking to today, not you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Not us. Clearly no one in Schumer's office either.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think the concern goes beyond, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to have these added authorities, which he does have.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to abuse his office even further during a
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  Speaker 1: shutdown to speed up what he's already done when the
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  Speaker 1: government is open. And I do think it's a trap
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  Speaker 1: to concede that that's leverage against us because it allows
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  Speaker 1: his extra legal powers to make him more powerful in
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  Speaker 1: the actual legitimate arena. And I do think it's important
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  Speaker 1: to not concede on that front. But even if you
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  Speaker 1: don't concede anything on that front, Democrats are just in
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  Speaker 1: a really tough position.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a couple of thoughts on this. One,
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  Speaker 3: I think back to Tony Fabrizio's memo in July. He's
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  Speaker 3: Trump's pollster. And this was mid-July. I think he came
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  Speaker 3: out with this memo and he said, Well, the 2024
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  Speaker 3: outcome for these districts, these are the most battleground districts
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  Speaker 3: in the House, was even. The generic Republican is down
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  Speaker 3: three points right now among all registered voters. Among those
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  Speaker 3: most motivated to vote, Republicans down seven points. If the
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  Speaker 3: Republican candidate lets the premium tax credit expire with the ACA,
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  Speaker 3: the Republican trails the Democrat by 15 points in these districts.
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  Speaker 2: And if the Republican.
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  Speaker 3: supports the extension of the tax credit for the ACA,
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  Speaker 3: they're leading by a couple points. Now, this is mid-July.
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  Speaker 3: Tony Fabrizio was working for a coalition that was hired
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  Speaker 3: by the insurance companies. Obviously, the insurance companies want the
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  Speaker 3: tax subsidies because it helps them in addition to actually
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  Speaker 3: helping people not have their premiums grow up. But it
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  Speaker 3: made me think like, okay, what if we win? What
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  Speaker 3: if there is some kind of a deal between with
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  Speaker 3: some kind of extension for ACA subsidies, there's never going
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  Speaker 3: to be a deal on reversing the Medicaid cuts, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's like a fantasy. That's what they passed. That was
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  Speaker 3: their main legislative accomplishment, right? So, but what if there
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  Speaker 3: is a deal on ACA because some Republicans, especially Republicans
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  Speaker 3: in frontline districts are nervous, substantively amazing, right? People's premiums
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  Speaker 3: don't go up as much. We've like probably 20 million
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  Speaker 3: people get some help on premiums. Do Democrats in any
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  Speaker 3: way benefit politically from from doing that a year before
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  Speaker 3: the election? Do Republicans benefit from doing that a year
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  Speaker 3: before the election and having that off the table? And
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  Speaker 3: was the shutdown fight at that point worth it for
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  Speaker 3: Democrats in any way?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In the near term, I don't want anyone's premiums to
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  Speaker 2: go up. I don't want anyone to get hurt. But
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  Speaker 2: we are bailing Trump and the Republicans out of their
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  Speaker 2: own political problem. And at some point, if we want
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  Speaker 2: his approval to go down, he needs to touch the
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  Speaker 2: hot stove. Zooming out a little bit. Part of the
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  Speaker 2: meta conversation and what activists are telling Schumer is that
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  Speaker 2: this government is doing illegal, unconstitutional, terrible stuff and that
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  Speaker 2: we should not fund it. We should not be a
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  Speaker 2: party to ice raids and rescissions and all the terrible things.
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  Speaker 2: Where is the strategy that goes from shutdown to an
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  Speaker 2: end game that gets Donald Trump to change his behavior?
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  Speaker 2: No one can articulate one because there isn't one. I
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  Speaker 2: sound like I'm super negative on this because I think
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  Speaker 2: it's better for us to debate this. I'm genuinely torn.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the right thing to do is.
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  Speaker 2: I know that Chuck Schumer is getting tons of incoming
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  Speaker 2: from activists just like us, in part because of rage
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  Speaker 2: we all had several months ago about the failure of
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  Speaker 2: a strategy the last time there was a funding fight.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just like, I'm not seeing a clear end
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  Speaker 2: game when it comes to policy or communications, especially with
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  Speaker 2: the leadership we have.
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  Speaker 3: So it's funny you said that because my other points
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  Speaker 3: that I was going to make is that I started
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  Speaker 3: to think about this in terms of like, go big
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  Speaker 3: or go home. And the go big strategy that you
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  Speaker 3: referenced that activists are pushing on is to say that
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  Speaker 3: like we're not voting to fund this government. Illegal tariffs,
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  Speaker 3: illegal like detention of American citizens, illegal troop deployments, all
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  Speaker 3: kinds of ways that he's abusing his power. And until
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  Speaker 3: you meet with us so that, you know, you can
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  Speaker 3: have the policies you want, you won the election, but
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  Speaker 3: what you are doing is illegal. And if you don't
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  Speaker 3: meet with us and you don't want to help us
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  Speaker 3: on that, then you figure out a way to fund
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  Speaker 3: the government because we're not voting for it.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what?
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  Speaker 3: You are free to change the Senate rules. You've abused
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  Speaker 3: power in a bunch of other ways. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to change the Senate rules to get rid of the
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  Speaker 3: filibuster to pass the budget, you're free to do that
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  Speaker 3: as well. But you cannot count on our votes for this.
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to make sure that American people know
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  Speaker 3: how illegal this is. And we don't want our names
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  Speaker 3: on it. Like, I think that and then to answer
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  Speaker 3: your question, then there is no way out.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like their way out is the Republicans decide to reopen
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  Speaker 3: the government on their own. But at least Democrats then
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  Speaker 3: take a stand and make a big fight. Then my
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  Speaker 3: next most favorite option here is maybe just like not
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  Speaker 3: doing it at all because I do think that– I'm
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  Speaker 3: worried about what you say, Tommy, which is like you
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  Speaker 3: start getting in this negotiation about healthcare and there's a
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  Speaker 3: couple outcomes I see. One is we do it for
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  Speaker 3: a couple weeks. They don't give in on healthcare at
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  Speaker 3: all and then we just fold.
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  Speaker 2: The most likely outcome is like a five-day shutdown and
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  Speaker 2: then we cave and look even weaker. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then maybe we get a fig leaf, right, which
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  Speaker 3: is– we cave, but they say, oh, we'll give a
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  Speaker 3: vote on ACA at some point. And then who knows,
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  Speaker 3: then it passes maybe. And then again, we've saved their asses.
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  Speaker 3: Or what? Or they negotiate an ACA thing and I
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  Speaker 3: guess we get a short-term win, but again, we take
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  Speaker 3: it off the table. So I don't, I think that
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  Speaker 3: the small ball, which is what they're doing now, I
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  Speaker 3: think that is the least chance of any kind of
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: either substantive or like political victory. And again, I'm doing
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: this for the sake of argument too, because I've gone
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: back and forth a million.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Times, but Yeah, I don't know. I also just like,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: is that right?
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Like, let's say Democrats fight on health care. They get
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: some kind of a concession. It reverses some chunk of
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: the ACA clawbacks on the subsidies.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: They declare a victory.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: We're still hammering Republicans next year on health care. We
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: can claim we force them to do this. And to
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the point that Faz made in your conversation, like people
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: don't like Donald Trump.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: They don't know what.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Democrats stand for. They haven't seen Democrats stand up and fight.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And here's a moment where Democrats are standing up and
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: fighting for something. Then you say, well, that's not the
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: real central galvanizing concern. Like our democracy is under threat,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: so we should fight across everything. But fighting across everything,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I do think all but guarantees, right, that Republicans justify
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: getting rid of the filibuster by saying Democrats will never
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: give us their votes.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: We want to reopen the government.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Then we've lost any leverage we have to do some
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: good in negotiation over health care.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: And you're right.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: In some sense, helping Republicans out of the ACA uh,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: subsidy shortfall does kind of get rid of a political
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: disaster for them.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely true. But like, man, like I just, I do.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: That's a hard, that's not, that's like, that's the, that's a, that's.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: A tough position for us to take that we've that,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: that like we, we want to teach the controversy.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's teaching.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think to, to Faz's point, I think
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: instead of just being like, this is bad, this is bad.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: It'd be like, we want to end an illegal tax
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: on Americans. That's tanking the economy. We want to make
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: sure their premiums don't go up. We want to make
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: sure that we can walk on our streets without being detained,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: even though we're citizens of the United States or that
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: we don't see troops in our streets and where our tax.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Dollars aren't going.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of things.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: It is definitely broader, but have the fight. I mean,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Chris Murphy was on Colbert and he was like, why
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: would we fund a bill that literally destroys our democracy?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, good line. I liked it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And then I saw this guy, Con Carroll, who was
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: like a Republican Senate communications director. And now he's like
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: a Washington examiner opinion guy. And he said, quote, we
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: can't vote for a spending bill that literally destroys democracy.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: But if you extend one existing health insurance subsidy, then
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: everything is fine.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And I was like, honestly. Yeah, I know. I know.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I talked to, when I talked to Warren about this,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I asked her version of this question and her point
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: was just like, We have to prove we can win
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a fight. We can win something here. This is the issue.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: There is a place where there is a path to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: some kind of a genuine victory for Democrats. And it
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: would be nice to use what limited power we have
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: before the Republicans decide to take it away, to use
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: it to prove that we can actually do something. And
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I worry the same way Faz is worried about the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: fact that our leaders in this feel as though they're
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: being pushed towards it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: That is a problem.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of reasons this is not ideal. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: don't like any of the options, but I am coming
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: around to why If we can get a victory here,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it's the one place we could. Now, then the question is,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: was this the right time? Because a ticking clock around
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: these subsidies is going to fall in November, December. The
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: subsidies end on January 1st, right? The next, this bill
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: is just to carry you through to the bigger negotiation
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to come. Was this CR the right moment?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it's like a seven week, you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: we'll do this again in seven weeks or something, right?
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And we should also say that to your point earlier, Tommy, that,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you know, like no one knows what the fuck we're
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: talking about. One reason that they're doing it now and
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: not later is the insurance companies will be sending out
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: the notices soon to people that premiums will go up.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And by the way, those notices aren't just for people
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: who use subsidies to help afford insurance on the exchanges.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Everyone's premiums are going up because if there's less money
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: for people for subsidies, then that means that insurance companies
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in general, that means some people will lose their health
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: care coverage, which means everyone's premiums goes up because the
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: pool of people are sicker.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So it's like this is a people are going to
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: get these notices and that's going to be a thing. So,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: you know, it's good to fight. But I am I
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: am like noticing J.D. Vance there when he was like
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: we sat down and they did have some good ideas.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, he's thinking the good ideas are extending
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the ACA.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, this is a maximally cynical argument. perspective, and again,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want anyone hurt, but just like in pure
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: political terms, I think people are far more likely to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: notice and be angry that their premiums went up than
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: they are ever to hear a Democratic Party argument about
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: why we have shut down the government. Because we suck
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: at communicating. Our side sucks at communicating and their side
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: lies about everything. They're saying it's about sex changes in Peru.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, what? Right.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And if the election was next week and we saved it, maybe,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: but a year from now, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, right after we finished recording on Thursday, Trump finally
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: got the indictment of Jim Comey that he personally ordered,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: though it took a former insurance lawyer who had never
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: prosecuted a case before and couldn't find the courtroom to
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: actually get it done, which she had to do alone
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: because not a single lawyer in the office of 300
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: people that she now runs would agree to help her
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: because of lack of evidence that a crime was actually committed.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Even then, the grand jury rejected one count and only
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: 14 of the 23 jurors approved the other two, None
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: of that mattered to Trump, of course, who told reporters
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: on Friday that he thinks there will be other indictments.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: In addition to the investigations he's ordered of Adam Schiff,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Tish James, John Brennan, and others, Trump told NBC over
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the weekend that he, quote, would imagine the DOJ is
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: also investigating former FBI Director Chris Wray over a completely
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: false conspiracy that the FBI staged the January 6th riots,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: which even Kash Patel had to partially debunk. The DOJ
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: has also subpoenaed Georgia District Attorney Fannie Willis' travel records,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and Trump is personally pressuring Microsoft to fire Biden's former
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: deputy attorney general, our friend Lisa Monaco. So Trump said
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: his success would be his retribution, but I guess he's
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: ultimately decided that his retribution would be his retribution. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: three of us haven't had a chance to talk about
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Comey yet. What do you make of that indictment, Lovett?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, broken clock.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: No.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: It's so brazen, right? Like he, he, he, he, what?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: 86 Comey here. I know, it's spelled.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: On shells, buddy. I, uh, I was saying this to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the guys before and, but, uh, if ultimately I do
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: end up sharing a cell with, uh, James Comey, just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: know I did kill myself. Uh, but, uh, this, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the brazenness of it, right? He posts over the weekend.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: We're not going quickly enough after my enemies. He gets
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this guy Siebert out of there. He appoints this, unqualified
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: person who's a loyalist into this job, the looming deadline
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: of the statute of limitations. This person comes in, gets
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the indictment together, despite the fact that the declination memo
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice said there's not enough evidence
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to charge, and rams this thing through, couldn't even get
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: all the indictments done in front of a grand jury,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and that anyone, anyone you consider, look, all the fucking
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Trump loyalists love it. They think it's great he's going
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: after his enemies. So I think that anyone is trying
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to do any kind of defense of this is so
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: fucking embarrassing. It is so obvious and brazen. It's the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: most brazen thing any of us have ever seen at
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. There's no even pretense that this
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is anything other than a political prosecution. It's happening right
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in front.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Of our eyes. It's fucking nuts.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So it's just clearly about revenge. And Trump told us
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: as much. And Comey is going first only because the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: statute of limitations is about to run out. But there
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: is a long list that we're just going to tick through.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And the goal is not just to punish Comey, although
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that's part of it. I mean, I think there's a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: very good chance that this case gets tossed. You could
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: imagine a scenario where the judge scolds the prosecutor for
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: bringing something this ridiculous. Like, to only get 14 out
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of 23 grand jurors to support this indictment is an
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: incredibly weak case. It's embarrassing. And then Haugen is like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I object. Did I do that right? But it's about,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, scaring the shit out of Democrats and political
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: opponents and, you know, making sure that big democratic donors
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: no longer want to support democratic organizations and, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: putting fear in the heart of his enemies. And like the,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the exchange with Ted Cruz that this case is ostensibly
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: built off of is confusing at best, best, but like
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in reality, I don't think any reasonable person would read
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that given the facts that we know and assume a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: crime was committed. No, a crime like for it to,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it has to be like willful, intentional, corrupt crime. Right,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: like those are some of the words used to make
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: false statements or obstruction of Congress like a real crime.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And it's like Comey answering a question over Zoom in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: 2020 about testimony that he gave in 2017, and Cruz
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: kind of confuses the question that Grassley had asked before him.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So Cruz confuses the question, and then no one even
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: knows if Comey was talking about Andrew McCabe or his
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: other friend. And I like, we could go through the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: details of the whole thing, but I don't even know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's worth it. It's a, it's a very,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it's an incredibly weak case, which is, and you know
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that because, uh, the 300 people in the Eastern district
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of Virginia who declined to bring any charges until Lindsay
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Halligan showed up, um, thought the same thing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It's absurd on its face.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: James Comey, uh, Not a perfect person. The guy is
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: fucking by the book. And he was going to testify honestly.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's parsing his words. Maybe he's being careful. But
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the guy was being honest.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Too by the book, some would say.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And then also occasionally extremely not by the book. Like
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: announcing an investigation stays before an election. But the thing
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that I'm coming back to is, you know, Bill Pulte,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the Trump housing aide, starts drumming up mortgage fraud czar.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Mortgage fraud czar. He keeps drumming up mortgage fraud allegations
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: against everyone from Adam Schiff.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: To Lisa Cook.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And then people go through and like, actually, look, see,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Lisa Cook maybe didn't do this. And maybe this person
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: didn't do this. And like people should do that. They
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: should dig into whether these allegations are fair or not.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But it is beside the point. So Ruth Marcus posted
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: an excerpt from this speech by Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It was about being a prosecutor. And I thought it
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was really well said. It said, we know that no
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: local police force can strictly enforce the traffic laws or
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: would arrest half the driving population on any given morning.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Like, that is the threat.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You can dig into anyone. You can find a technical
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: violation on the part of anyone. That's why this is dangerous.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: whether or not people want to parse and say, well,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: maybe Comey did lie, even though that's bullshit. It is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: giving into what is so obviously dangerous about what the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Trump administration is doing. They are finding the people and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: then looking for the crime, not the other way around.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: One like bitter irony or frustrating piece of context around
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: all of this is I'm pretty sure we are talking
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: about conversations about leaks to a reporter who was writing
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: something about investigations into the Clinton Foundation. And those investigations
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: went nowhere because there was no illegal activity or wrongdoing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: But the FBI and DOJ seem to have been working
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: overtime to blame each other in the press because the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: other side didn't want to get called up to Congress
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to get berated by someone like Ted Cruz to say,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: why aren't you prosecuting the Clinton Foundation? And I think
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that's why there was all this talk via intermediaries or
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: whatnot with this reporter about these articles that led to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: this stupid outcome.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So that's one of the fact patterns. And again, it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: confusion over which one they're talking about. The other is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: that when Comey had those meetings with Trump where Trump
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: demanded his loyalty and then Comey took notes, he had.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Said before publicly that he gave those.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Memos and notes to his friend Daniel Richmond, who was
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: a professor who worked for a time at the FBI.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And then the question is, oh, did he authorize Richmond
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to leak?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Those memos.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And Richmond has previously said, no, he didn't. He just
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: talked to me about how the press was getting on him.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And I decided to do it myself. And also, Richmond
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: apparently didn't work at the FBI at the time that
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: he got the memos.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: He's like a special government employee about like some random
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: thing like surveillance technology or something. Yeah. It does seem
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like Daniel Richmond was a bit of a carve out
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: for Jim Comey when he wanted to work the media
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: on a certain thing. But like that doesn't mean it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: a crime. Nothing about that is crimey.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: You'll be surprised to know Republican politicians and pundits are
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: mostly all on board except Andrew McCarthy has written a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: couple nice– strongly worded pieces in the National Review saying
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: this is preposterous, so good for him. But the rest
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: of them were on Some say Comey was indicted by
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: a jury of his peers. That's the John Thune sort
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: of explanation. It's like, hey, you say it was political,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: but there was a grand jury and they gave the indictment.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Others have just been more open that this is just
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: revenge for Trump being indicted. And they don't seem all
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: that worried that this, in the words of the New
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: York Times, quote, risks ushering in a cycle of retaliation
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in which each new administration takes aim at the last one.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the trick they all have to pull here
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: is that Trump wasn't indicted because he's unusual. Trump was
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: indicted because Democrats went too far. Trump was indicted because
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he broke the law. Joe Biden's Department of Justice did
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: not behave like Trump's Department of Justice. There is no
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: post by Joe Biden saying go after my enemies.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: It's more, okas, okas, okas.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And so you end up like, they're trying to claim
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: somehow that, well, you know, we saw them target people
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, but Joe Biden's DOJ also prosecuted Hunter Biden.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: That was just a smokescreen. Because he was always going
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to pardon him. So, I withdraw it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Also, some of the, like, you know, Joe Biden isn't
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the state of New York and the state of Georgia.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like different. I mean, come on. It's just funny.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: So their position is Donald Trump is allowed to break
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the law. If you hold him accountable for breaking the law,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: then you're going to get prosecuted as well.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Look, also, Kash Patel clearly lied to Congress in his
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: confirmation hearings. If they want to set a precedent where
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: people like Kash Patel are going to get prosecuted after
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the fact— or that behavior, that's okay. That's a road
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you can go down, but it's not a great one
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: for anybody.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Well, the New York Times piece, I know I was reading,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and Peter Baker, I think, wrote it, and at the
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: beginning it says, there will presumably come a time when
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the Republican Party is no longer in control. It's like, presumably, yes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: The way that they're acting and the reason that they
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: don't seem worried that it'll come back around to Kash
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Patel or anything else, one reason could be that they
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: don't plan to relinquish power. Yeah, but also, look, I
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: think that the people working for Trump view it themselves
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: as having no choice. They have to do his bidding
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: or they get pushed out, so.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think like there's a little bit of both.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: They can't predict the future, you know, we don't want
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to be like fatalistic. Yeah, I think they're one. No,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: but they could also just not. They can try to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: steal the election for sure. They cannot do it. Well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: they cannot do it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the people that won't do it are now
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: all being fired and the people that will do it
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: are being put in place.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Look, I think it's somewhere in between.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I think there are people that are open to the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: idea that Donald Trump has no choice but to stay
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in office. And it's a sad state of affairs that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: we have a, A Democratic Party that has become an
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: agent of terrorists, and we have no choice. I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: there are people that are working their way towards that,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for sure. A lot of these people are just one day.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Ahead of the news.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And might not have been there at the beginning, that, like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Trump's going to stay in power forever, but, like, well,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: these Democrats are now threatening us for these prosecutions, so
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: what are we to do?
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well, the other part of this is, you know, the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: other side of.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: For my enemies, the laws, for my friends, everything. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: so it's also the pardons and all the rest that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: feed into this, but the pardon power remains. And we
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: do not need to concede that there will never be
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a Democratic president again, and a Democratic president will have that,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: nor should we. And so Democrats will be able to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: reverse any political prosecutions that happen under a public administration.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how open we'll have to be
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: about that or should be about that, but as we
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: get closer, I think like the more brazen Trump is,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the more honest we have to be about the fact
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that part of our job is to kind of clear
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: out the brazen politicization of these prosecutions, including people convicted
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: The chance at Democratic rallies in fall of 2028. Win
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: this one for Comey.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Free Garland.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Trump's government's also moving full speed ahead on his broader
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: war against immigrants, Democratic voters, and Americans who live in cities.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: On Saturday, Trump said, quote, I am directing Secretary of
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: War Pete Hegseth to provide all necessary troops to protect
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: war-ravaged Portland. and any of our ICE facilities under siege
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: from attack by Antifa and other domestic terrorists. I am
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: also authorizing full force if necessary. I mean, imagine hearing
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: years ago that that would be a statement from the president.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Everything about that. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, war ravaged Portland.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Scary stuff.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The war he's referring to, of course, is a long-running
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: protest outside a single ICE facility that will now be
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: protected by 200 troops for the next 60 days, though
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Oregon officials are already suing to stop the deployment. There
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: were also dozens of armed, masked ICE agents patrolling downtown
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Chicago in a show of force this weekend. And at
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: this point, too many stories to count of ICE detaining
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and assaulting American citizens or legal residents, including a Chicago journalist,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: American citizen, who was just sitting in her car, outside
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: an ICE facility with her window down when a masked
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: ICE agent shot a pepper ball that burned her face
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and made her vomit. There were no protests in the area.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: There were nothing else. It wasn't like they meant the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: pepper ball for someone else or a crowd. She was
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: just sitting there with a window down and got shot.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And do you see the video of the ICE agent?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: This woman was begging him to just tell her where
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: her husband had been taken or whatever. And all of
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a sudden he just throws her to the ground. It's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: like physically assaulting this woman. in the hallway in front
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: of all these reporters. Now, this man was actually suspended,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: which is like the first time. Bad news, bad news.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Right before we recorded, the ICE officers from CBS, the
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: ICE officer relieved of his duties after being captured on
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: video pushing a woman outside an immigration court in New
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: York City has been returned to duty.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Two U.S.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Officials tell CBS News DHS had called his conduct unacceptable
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: three days ago.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Trisha McLaughlin was on the record, I think. The man
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: just beat this woman up for no reason.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Someone internally did something, right, to suspend him. And then
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: fucking Stephen Miller probably found out, got on the phone
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and was like, get that fucking person back on.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Well, there's blowback online about it from the right. There's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: blowback online saying, well, look, I thought Trump was going
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to go hard and they're going to use all the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: full force. Then all of a sudden there's one little
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: incident of somebody finally standing up for ICE and then
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: we're off.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: To the races.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You can't admit any wrongdoing. On Portland, this is a
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: much smaller deployment than we saw in LA or DC.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And- You know, so they're suing the Oregon AG and
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the city of Portland think that it's different than the
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: lawsuit in LA. Of course, you know, they have to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: say that either way. They think they have a better
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: legal case here. Why do you guys think Trump's doing
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: it and what does he want to.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Get out of it? He wants the message. I mean,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: there was a recent AP poll that had Trump at
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: 53% approval on crime. It's better than immigration, the economy,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: other big issues. Portland's been caricatured for years on Fox
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: as like a crazy lefty bastion of Antifa violence. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: it's a liberal, you know, soft target with the Democratic governor.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So I just think this one is exactly the message
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: they want to be portraying. Yeah, I think that's right.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And I think it'll feed into what we're about to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: talk about, which is I do think they want the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: conflict a little bit between Democratic governors saying, get out
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of our cities and Trump saying, I'm just here to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: protect our, you know, you're giving your cities over to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: these violent Antifa protesters and we're going to stand up
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to it. And then these places become flashpoints. where they
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: can use the images to forward the debate about the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: left and the broader sort of claim that this is
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a mass, that smear half the country as being part
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of some vast violent movement.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you could argue that Portland is because
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: politically L.A.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And D.C.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Did not go as well for them as they thought.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was a massive loss for them,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: but all the polling shows that people are against the
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: deployments in D.C., against the deployments in L.A., The polling
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: got worse for him over time. And when you ask
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: people now, do you want it in your city? Would
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you be against it in your city? It's even worse
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: for them. So I think it's a win-win for him
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: in Portland because either nothing happens and then he can say, oh,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: we did liberate Portland.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It was wonderful.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Or you get the reaction that he probably hoped he
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: got in either D.C.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Or L.A.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: When there is a more violent, destructive reaction to ICE
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: and the National Guard and the troops being there.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Which, you know.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: You probably think, Portland? Come on, give it to me, Portland.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: You almost burned down a couple summers ago.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, without us even being there. The federal deployments becoming
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a flashpoint for protest, which then are used to justify
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: why the federal deployments were there in the first place,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this sort of vicious circle, is exactly what they want.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: It's what they got in LA, even as much as
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it may have blown back on them.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 38:12
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  Speaker 3: One other thing to keep an eye on here is
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Trump's latest executive order on what he's calling domestic extremism.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Over the weekend, Stephen Miller tweeted, quote, We are witnessing
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: domestic terrorist sedition against the federal government. The JTTF has
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: been dispatched by the Attorney General. pursuant to NSPM-7. All
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: necessary resources will be utilized. For those of you who
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: don't speak fascist, the JTTF refers to the Joint Terrorism
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Task Forces, and NSPM-7 stands for National Security Presidential Memorandum 7.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: For those of you who still don't know what the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: fuck that means, the order calls for, quote, a comprehensive
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: national strategy to investigate, prosecute, and disrupt entities and individuals
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: engaged in acts of political violence and intimidation. including, quote,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the organized structures, networks, entities, organizations, funding sources, and predicate
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: actions behind them. Ken Klippenstein has been reporting on this
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: and says that sources tell him that this will likely
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: cause the FBI's domestic terrorism watch list, which is currently
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: at 5,000, to double within weeks or months. He also
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: reports that a number of big law firms are taking
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: it seriously enough that they've issued guidance for left-leaning nonprofits
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and other organizations. Have you guys looked into this, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: what's your level of concern here?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's a piece of a larger puzzle that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: will let the administration essentially designate certain liberal or leftist
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: organizations and, frankly, like policy views as terrorism. And then
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: this will give them the pretext to use federal agencies
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to investigate, prosecute, otherwise harass organizations that are funding these
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: alleged domestic terrorist groups. Because the memorandum mentions, quote, institutional
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and individual funders and officers and employees of organizations that
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: are responsible for sponsoring or otherwise aid and abet the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: principal actors engaging in the criminal conduct. So my guess
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: is this is just another way to go after, like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the Soros folks or other, you know, big kind of
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: democratic progressive funders.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: So first of all, the kind of branding it as
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: NSPM 7 and, like, and declaring it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Look, I am.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Loathe to use a Star Wars reference, but that really
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: does feel like a reference to Order 66. And I'm
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: sorry to be a person doing that. I know you don't,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and that's okay.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I don't speak nerd. But you should learn. You should learn.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe that new AirPods that translate can help you. But
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he's always situating his conduct in this sort of a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: grand nationalist history.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You know, you always feel that, like, this.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Is NSPM 7, a great historic moment in the history
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of our fight against the leftists.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: That's what he's got to say to his wife to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: get her going in the morning. Dirty talk in the morning, yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: That's what she says. That's what she says.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: No, what do we say? That's not our character. She's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: a matador.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Which is an ironic term, right? Because it's like, isn't
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: he trying, you know, it's like, it's, that sounds like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it sounds like, are you welcoming that kind of culture?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I can't tell. Who are we goring? Who's getting gorger? Anyway,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say, so, sounds like us.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Throw me out in the clown suit.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Throw me out in the clown suit. I'll run. distract
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: for you guys. All right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: But the part of this is like you read this
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: order and it has this grandiose language and then you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: get into the specifics. Some of it is extremely vague
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and hard to understand what it could mean.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I do think that's on purpose.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Tommy pointed to the ways in which it goes after funding.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: You get to this moment where it just, you get
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to this, there's a part where it describes what they're
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: characterizing as domestic terrorism. And it says the attorney general
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: shall issue specific guidance that ensures domestic terrorism priorities include
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: politically motivated terrorist acts such as organized doxing campaigns, which,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: by the way, they've included desiring the unmasking. They've described
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: unmasking ICE agents as doxing. Swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: destruction of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Trespass and civil disorder are the two that stuck out
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: at me there. I'm like, those are pretty broad and
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: just like, oop, you walked onto federal property.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, look, destruction of property can mean
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of different things. It can mean, it can
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: mean burning something. It could be, it could be burning
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Portland to the ground.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: It could be whatever. Just lighting a simple Waymo on fire.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Could be anything.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: All of this is meant to be vague, right? Like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it's meant to be like applicable to a wide range
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: of activities and just the intimidation that people will feel
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: not knowing what this will apply to, I think is
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: part of what will make it dangerous. And then you
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: look at this and you say, well, they could go
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: after anybody with this.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: It's just such a clear suppression of speech. They're talking
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: about anti-capitalist, anti-American views. You can famously be anti-American in
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: this country. It's called freedom of speech. I mean, I
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: don't know how this is not a pretty drastic First
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Amendment violation. Huge, huge First Amendment problem. I think the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: point is to get the investigations going and make people's
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: lives miserable and make them lawyer up. which is probably
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: why all those big law firms. Yeah, the point is
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to get a Reid Hoffman to be too scared to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: donate to progressive causes. Yes, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: And by the way, to hope that if they start
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: digging in based on these kind of specious reasons, again,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, you get into somebody's books,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you get into somebody's finances or emails, whatever, and all
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you've uncovered something that you can use.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Ken Klippensee in his piece on this, his first piece,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: was talking about it's like they're going after pre-crime, like
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: in Minority Report. Because it says the strategy is to
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: disrupt any individual groups, quote, that foment political violence, including, quote,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: before they result in violent political acts. So part of this, too,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: is if you they want to let people know that
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: if you're in some organization that donates to someone else
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and then like. months later, that person, someone in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: place that you donated to commit some act or whatever,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it could come back to you because you made the,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's fucking insane.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Well, by the way, he's just saying that Gavin Newsom
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: describing something as authoritarian is, is a terrorist, is a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: terrorist threat.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it says they can be identified by any of
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the following indicators of violence, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-Christianity, extremism on migration, race, gender,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, What.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Does that even mean? That's a good one. It's just
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: so fake.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? It's nonsensical. Bad. Bad people.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Of course, we had another horrific shooting over the weekend
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: where a deranged man who appears to be a Trump
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: supporter shot up a Mormon church and set it on fire,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: killing four people.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: J.D.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Vance called the situation just awful and called for prayers.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I assume they'll be getting to the bottom of who
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: funded this domestic terrorist and calling for everyone who didn't
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: say the right thing to lose their job about it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Is that what's going to happen now?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: That part of the anti-doxing under NPSM 7 or whatever.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Notice that hasn't been a big, the fact that the
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: guy's wearing like a Trump 2020 t-shirt and he's got
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a big Trump Pence flag.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I saw Benny Johnson from TPOSA was fast out of
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the gate saying this is an attack on Christianity itself.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, quickly there was an inconvenience that affects. Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Look, this is like exactly what we were talking about
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: when we were in the last round of the politicization
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of these shootings and accusing the entire left. of being
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: complicit in a murder, which is, so now if a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: person has a Trump yard sign, they're deranged, but if
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: they have some evidence of having left views, they are
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: part of a vast left conspiracy. They will make the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: motive important and central to a collective punishment if they
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: don't agree with the person. But if it's on their side,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it's of course a deranged person, when really what we
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: see over and over is how people are getting radicalized online,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: whatever the underlying kind of political views that are part
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of the justification and like, we just, We will never
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: figure out how to get out of a cycle like
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: this unless we collectively view these as a shared threat
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: around people becoming taking these sort of violent acts based
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: on radicalization on these forums and wherever else.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: And you, of course, saw all those Democratic politicians saying
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: this is right wing violence. The right did this. One
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: of yours did this. Donald Trump.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: You saw that, right? Oh, yeah, that's right. No one.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: No one did that. No one said that on the left.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Not one Democratic politician.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, Zeynep Tufekci, who you've talked to,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: talks about like, there's just no, putting this in politics
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: means there's no talk about the contagion of it, right?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: We saw like people writing on bullets, right? That's clearly
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: from one event to the next, there's a surge of
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: these things. Like violence is contagious.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: We know that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Like we've learned about this on suicides, on mass shootings,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: on political violence like this. Like there is clearly something
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: happening and we can't fucking figure it out because everything
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: is polluted now. by this, like the way in which
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: they're using this for political purposes.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Only somewhat related here, but you guys see the Daily
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Caller column last Friday, explicitly calling for violence against the left.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: The Jeffrey Ingersoll there, it was published as, quote, an
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: editorial in the Daily Caller, longish op-ed. It says, here's
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: some quotes from it, quote, today I choose violence, literally.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: And then another quote, I know calls for violence are
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: generally frowned upon. The issue is I simply don't care.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Then again, just in case you weren't sure, is this
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: a call for violence? Yes, explicitly it is. And then finally, quote,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: choose violence. So is someone going to, now I remember J.D.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Vance gave a big speech when he was on Charlie
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Kirk's podcast, complaining about a nation editorial.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I think we talked about it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Condemned violence and simply said that they didn't agree with
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk and didn't say nice things about him. And
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: he threatened to, you know, investigate everyone who's ever funded
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the Nation, including made it up the Soros Foundation, which
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: didn't even fund the Nation. And, um, should we, are
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: they going to now investigate who funds the Daily Caller?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Hold on. I'm Googling who funds the Daily Caller. It
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: was Foster Freese. I'll figure it out for you guys.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Foster Freese did. And also the Cokes are connected. I'm
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: going to send him a stern letter. Yeah. Foster Freese
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: said no, but there's a couple of, there's a whole list.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Charles Coke Foundation, uh, the Bradley Foundation. They're crazy. Scaife Foundation. Okay.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: So everyone, people, I assume everyone's going to look into that.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: They should.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: It's a good one for the NPS, NSPM7, whatever. Nipsm. Nipsm. Nipsm. Nipsm. Nipsm.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Nipsm in the bud. It's also just like all these people.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Brain rot. Everyone has brain rot. They are watching things online.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: They're getting very angry and they're writing it up because
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: they're seeing so much shit online. It's making them kind
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of crazy and they're like, I have to try. Look
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: at what they're doing and they're getting away with it.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: The Daily Caller also just conducted a one-hour interview with
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Imagine.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Imagine.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Imagine an outlet that just conducted a full interview in
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: the Oval Office with a Democratic president and then leaves
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: and then has an editorial that says, I call for violence.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the hypocrisy stuff's real annoying. It's just un-fucking-believable. I know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: It's un-fucking-believable. It's not even the hypocrisy, it's just like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: it's their bullshit is just, like, they should not be
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: taken seriously.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just, it's more to the, like, I
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: am more, I, I, I, maybe it's too sociological, but
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just looking at people, I'm watching people, I'm
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: watching people that were once, I don't include this person who's,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I never knew. I'm watching people that they were, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: maybe Trump curious, maybe somewhere in the middle between being anti-Trump. Like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I think I'm watching people that used to be a
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: bit more reasonable, radicalized in real time. Like you're watching
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that happen online. And I do think it's from people
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: kind of exposing their brain to like the sewer of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the internet and getting a warped view of of their
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: own side and a warped view of the other side
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and only seeing, I mean, like the same problems with polarization.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: They're not just for people that are voters. It's for
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the actual producers of content and influencers and everybody else
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: on these platforms. Like they're not immune to it and
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: you see it every day. And like the fact that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it's not just one guy that thought this has made
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: it through a whole editing process and onto the website
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: by a bunch of people who said, well, yeah, let's get.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That out there. The brain rot comes for content creators too.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Clicks, clicks, clicks.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, the only thing we say is it's
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: a very fringe view to support violence. This guy is
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: one of, a tiny swath of the country that believes
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: that this is an appropriate response. Most people don't. Everyone
• 51:57
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• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, we had some other breaking news on Monday. President
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: of Peace Donald Trump has solved the Middle East. Trump
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: called September 29th, quote, potentially one of the great days
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: ever in civilization.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: As he stood next to another great product of civilization,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Bibi Netanyahu at the White House, and rambled through the
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: points of a peace plan that we have no idea
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: as of this recording. whether Hamas will accept. While the
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: plan includes some promising aspects, including an end to the
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: act of fighting and the return of all the hostages,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: its crown jewel is definitely this.
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: My plan calls for the creation of a new international
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: oversight body, the Board of Peace, we call it, the
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: Board of Peace, sort of a beautiful name, the board.
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: involved asked me to do this. So we'll be headed
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: by A gentleman known as President Donald J. Trump of
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: the United States. That's what I want is some extra
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: work to do, but it's so important that I'm willing
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: to do it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Tommy, do you think you're going to be asked to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: be on the Board of Peace as well? Oh, that'd
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: be cool. I'm not on any boards. I wonder if
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: it's paid or unpaid.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Do you think Trump is going to spend more time
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: on the Board of Peace or the Kennedy Center Board?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Good question. He's on both.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: What do you make of this plan, this 20-point plan
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: that they released and its prospects?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of been floating around for a while. I mean,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: like the event today was exactly what I expected, which
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: is Netanyahu and Trump talking about agreeing to something vague
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: that they can call a peace deal that Netanyahu knows
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: he will never have to implement because it's basically designed
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: to look and sound maximally reasonable but be rejected by Hamas.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And that's what I expect will happen. I did like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: his typically understated self calling it. The greatest days ever
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: in civilization. This isn't a two-state solution plan. It's a
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: ceasefire plan, just to be clear. But again, I think
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: that Netanyahu, he tried to sound like he was on
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: board with the big picture while reserving the right to
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: renegotiate or delay every actual detail. I think it's probably
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a non-starter for Hamas. Why do you think it's a...
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. Why do you think it's a
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: non-starter for Hamas? Because they have to trust Netanyahu generally
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: to implement it because... they don't think Trump can control
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: him because they watched, you know, the last year. The
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: plan calls on Hamas to release all the hostages within
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: 72 hours, which means they give up all their leverage
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: immediately and then have to trust that the rest of
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the plan gets executed. The plan basically calls on Hamas
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: to disband as an organization and they'll have no role
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: in Gaza going forward, which is of course a totally
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: understandable position for the Israelis to want to take. But
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: from the Hamas perspective, you can imagine that'd be hard
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: to agree to. And then Finally, this is an organization.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Their DNA is resistant to occupation and trying to get
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: land back. And they're going to be cool with Gaza
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: being governed by Donald Trump and Tony Blair? That's the
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: best you guys could do? Trump and Tony Blair? Unfortunately,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: it's the best we could do.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Do you think Tony Blair was on that list? He's like, what?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is Tony Blair doing? America First now
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: means Donald Trump is going to chair an organization that
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: governing the Gaza Strip. We're giving Argentina a $ 20 billion
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: bank bailout. Trump is now talking about retaking Bagram Air
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Base in Afghanistan. So I guess we're going to reinvade
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan and we're blowing up every ship off the boats
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: of Venezuela and talking about airstrikes, both within Venezuela and Mexico.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: This is now America first, I guess.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just was, there was a story in the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Times in the last couple of days about the IDF
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: moving back into parts of Gaza City parts that had
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: already been in and then left back and forth.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Like three times. And now as.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: They're moving through, they're kind of raising whole parts of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the city and holding territory and not letting it go.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And the beleaguered people that have been there, some of
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: whom are leaving as they're being told, others have no
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: place to go and have left and come back and
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: are now kind of giving up on having anywhere to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: go or seeing any purpose and kind of leaving.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And it is so ugly and disgusting evil what is happening.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: And then you have the president and, and, and Bibi
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: standing in the oval, kind of patting each other on
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the back, declaring the greatest day in the history of
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: civilization while, while kind of inflicting this collective punishment on Gaza,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: even as they say that Hamas is responsible and doesn't
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: care what happens to the people of Gaza, uh, because
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: they use the people of Gaza like human shield. And
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: so like the whole thing is disgusting. And, uh, and that, that,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that's all I got. Were you excited to learn, though,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that Jared was involved?
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so mad about this. Thank you for prompting this.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Jared Kushner is not a government employee. He
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: has no role in this administration. He did the Abraham
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Accords back in the day. Those are holding on by
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: a thread. The Abrahams? Abrahams. Abrahams. Because he mispronounced it
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: and then owned them. Well, apparently it's closer to the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Hebrew pronunciation. Oh, yeah, yeah. But he just couldn't read it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: He's a goober. But Jared Kushner, he's sitting on, I think, $ 5. 4
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: billion now. in almost exclusively foreign money. But is he happy? Saudi-linked, Emirati-linked,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Qatari-linked money in his investment fund that they're using to
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: buy EA Sports. It's in the game. It's like one
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: of my favorite video game companies as a kid. It's
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: just like insane conflict of interest that is never mentioned
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: in any of the coverage. What is Jared Kushner doing there?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: He doesn't work there. He just sort of popped back
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: into it, by the way. Like a couple weeks ago.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not even part of it. And all
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, he was thanking Jared on social media.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And you're like, wait, Jared's back?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Walking in with Tony Blair, slapping him on the ass, saying,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: good job. Right. He's probably pretty bored. Maybe he wasn't happy.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I was on vacation once in Hawaii and who walks
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: into the restaurant but Benjamin Netanyahu, Tony Blair, and a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of other people sitting around the table at that restaurant.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Next thing you know, you wake up. That's a, that's
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: a polycule for you. I love one thing. It was a,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: one thing led to another. I was like, the Kushner
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: part of that made me so mad. I fired off
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: like a thousand tweets that got no engagement. I'm so
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: mad about Jared Kushner just Two billion dollars from the Saudis.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. At least. He's doing Gaza. Whatever. The corruption
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: is just. No one cares. I know. It's like to
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: your point, this like this war is about to have
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: gone on for two years. Like most scholars think it
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: is a genocide. Like thousands of kids have been killed.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like there is no serious effort to get
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the Israelis to stop. Like all the people were like
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Hamas could end this war today if they release the hostages.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I actually do not think that that would get the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: IDF out of the Gaza Strip. I think if Hamas
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: released the hostages, it's not clear at all to me
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: that given what the ministers around Netanyahu say about their
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: desire to ethnically cleanse and occupy Gaza in perpetuity would
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: actually get the IDF. So I think it's going to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: have to be a deal where both sides do some
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: really hard things and there's just no serious effort to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: get there. And it's so demoralizing. All right, last thing.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: President of the United States posted his first ever AI-generated
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: video of an AI-generated Fox News segment featuring his AI-generated daughter-in-law,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Lara Trump, throwing to an AI-generated Donald Trump in the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Oval Office, promising every American access to a non-existent medical
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: technology known as medbeds that have become an obsession in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: QAnon circles. I can't even believe I said that whole sentence.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. Breaking now, President Donald J. Trump
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: has announced a.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Historic new health care system, the launch of America's first
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  Speaker 3: med bed hospitals and a national med bed card for
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  Speaker 3: every citizen.
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  Speaker 6: Every American will soon receive their own med bed card.
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  Speaker 6: With it, you'll have guaranteed access to our new hospitals
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  Speaker 6: led by the top doctors in the nation. equipped with
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  Speaker 6: the most advanced technology in the world. These facilities are safe, modern,
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  Speaker 6: and designed to restore every citizen to full health and strength.
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  Speaker 6: This is the beginning of a new era in American
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  Speaker 6: health care.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even get the lips right. Holy shit. I love AI.
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  Speaker 2: It's great.
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  Speaker 1: The politics of the far right, it's cool as long
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  Speaker 1: as Donald Trump is for universal fake health care. But
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: real health care, we're going to cut dramatically. But fake
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  Speaker 1: health care, everybody gets it. It's going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: When you get in your fake med bed and you
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  Speaker 1: have your fake card, it's for everybody in our beautiful
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  Speaker 1: new hospitals.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: Let's share with our audience what a med bed is.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us more.
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  Speaker 2: I know you've become an expert today, right? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: did a call with a MedBed CEO. You talked to
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  Speaker 2: a friend. Dimitri MedBedev. Yeah, he's doing reporting. MedBedev, that
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  Speaker 2: was good. That was good, MedBedev. That was nice. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to bring the conversation up. So apparently a
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  Speaker 2: MedBed is a mythical thing made with alien technology that
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  Speaker 2: will cure every ailment. When this was first pitched to
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  Speaker 2: us by someone whose name rhymes with B'nai J'mon, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what's the big deal? Who cares if they
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  Speaker 2: do like AI fanfic, stupid med bed garbage on the
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump Twitter feed. Now you're looking for your card.
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  Speaker 2: But then I listened to the QAnon anonymous podcast episode
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  Speaker 2: about med beds. Great show, by the way. And the
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  Speaker 2: reality is so much darker because what's happened is there's
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  Speaker 2: QAnon grifters sell people like future access to med beds
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  Speaker 2: and they charge them like hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And in some cases, it's not just that people are
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  Speaker 2: getting fleece for their money, but they're delaying treatments in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: real life. because they're waiting for a med bed uh
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  Speaker 2: so it's really bleak there's also there's a couple funny
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  Speaker 2: versions there's one organization that's selling i think what they
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  Speaker 2: call like a 5d med bed which is they promise
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  Speaker 2: to get you access to a med bed uh that
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  Speaker 2: is quantum entangled with your current bed so you like
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  Speaker 2: upload a picture of your bed and you imagine it
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  Speaker 2: and then you're quantum entangled with this technology so basically
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  Speaker 2: you pay like three grand at this company to imagine things.
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  Speaker 3: So the promise of the med bed, and there are
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: many promises because, of course, it's not real. Reverse aging, right?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: You can wake up 30 years younger. Some believe they
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: can actually resurrect the dead. Oh, I hadn't heard that.
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  Speaker 3: Some believe that JFK Jr. and Princess Diana are alive
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  Speaker 3: somewhere and that the med beds have brought them back
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  Speaker 3: to life. And the reason this is a QAnon thing
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: is because they believe that, of course, the elite have
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  Speaker 3: been using the med beds, right, to... resurrect themselves oh
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: you can um regrow amputated limbs missing organs in minutes
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: well the big one is reversing vax damage vax of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: course oh yeah you can reprogram your dna um uh
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  Speaker 3: and you can cure all diseases including cancer obviously um
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  Speaker 3: so and what they do is they eliminate the need
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  Speaker 3: for vaccines right uh or anything like that so you
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  Speaker 3: so there is no need for vaccines of course well
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  Speaker 3: you wait for the med bed you don't need the
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  Speaker 3: vaccine and what happened is the elite cabal has these
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: med beds and had for a while, but once Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: they believe that once Donald Trump became president, that he's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: storing them now in an underground military base and he
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: will give the green light any moment, which it seems
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  Speaker 3: like cat's out of the bag.
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  Speaker 2: Cat's out of the med bed, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Some people think that Trump's already using med beds. Not
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: long enough. Because of his youthful energy. And his weird hands.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Get in that med bed a little bit longer, my friend. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, med beds are also in the film, Elysium.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: And I do think that- And Prometheus.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Prometheus. And Passengers, too.
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  Speaker 1: I would just say there was a time when conspiracy
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: theorists used to go to the library, pull out the microfiche,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: put something really interesting together. And that was a simpler
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and better time. The conspiracy theorists took some fucking work,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: they'd piece it together, you had to actually have the string.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: And now people see Elysium, they take a quote from
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Hunter S. Thompson, and next thing you know, we got
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  Speaker 1: fucking AI med beds.
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  Speaker 2: Tough.
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  Speaker 3: Here's something I'm interested in learning. I hope someone does
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: some reporting on this. How do you think this got
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: from QAnon conspiracy to Donald Trump to him thinking, I'm
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: going to post this thing? He has since taken it down.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: He's deleted it. Someone must have been like, hey, the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: med beds, that's too far. I don't know how that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: happened either. I love that story.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: What do you think happened? I bet someone sends it
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: to him.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's literally scrolling, and he's seeing it online.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he has a feed, and he's seeing stuff,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: and he thinks, oh, this is people saying I'm good
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: at healthcare.
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  Speaker 2: People like me on healthcare. Yeah, it was just a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: quick retruth. Yeah, it was a quick retruth, and all
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: of a sudden... Sorry I said retruth. I told myself
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He posted it. But yeah... He also posted
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: about medical marijuana for seniors this weekend.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: He also posted about how... Is he getting high? His goal.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: His gold trim, the Oval Office just decked out in
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: 24 karat gold. It's like every foreign leader who comes
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: now is just telling him, this is fucking amazing, you're
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: the best.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Now, hadn't we determined that he, in fact, was buying
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: most of these little accent pieces from Home Depot and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: spray painting them? We don't know. But then if you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: put them in the med bed, it becomes real. Oh,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: got it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, remember that episode of Captain Kangaroo where somebody gets,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: remember that one? It's how everything could turn into gold.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: But actually, they didn't seem to have, they had a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: silver one and then a gold one, and the gold
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: one was a different shape, and it really bothered me
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: as a little kid, but that's because my mother took Tylenol.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: So the- But she actually didn't. I texted and asked.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: She didn't. And she's on vacation and won't hear this.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: So I just want to be clear. Double check that one.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I did. I texted her. I said, are you sure
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: you didn't take Tylenol? And she said, nothing. Just prenatal
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: vitamins for you and your sister. I was like, I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm going to ask your dad. He'll tell
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: the truth.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe he crushed it and put it in mashed potatoes
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: because she was complaining. But the point being, what were
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: we talking about?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. The fucking gold.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: So people did find that some of the things attached
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to the wall are from Home Depot and And it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: was assumed.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: That they were spray painted gold. It is not. It
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: is possible that there's someone doing gold leaf. Could be leaf.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: It could be leaf. It could be leaf, but it
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: could be spray paint. We just don't know. We just
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I think that at the next press conference, Chuck Schumer
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: and Hakeem Jeffrey should stand up and say they have
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: added another demand. They want med bed cards for all
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: like Trump promised in his truth social post as part
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: of the government.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: That would be fun.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: It is so sad how conspiratorial. Yeah, that would be fun.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I would love to get in there with the fucking
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: med beds.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It is just so sad.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: You think about the people that are falling for this,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: and it's so conspiratorial and so sad and so isolated.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: You have to be so isolated from the world to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: believe that this is real. It's like alien technology, they think.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Did you see that footage, though, where someone was carrying
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: the med bed into Jeffrey Epstein's cell? No.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Is that how he died? I don't understand.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: If med beds are real, why do these billion... What
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: happened to Leona Helmsley? Like, where are all the rich
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: billionaires that were famous and who died?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's like they never explain why they
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: haven't been deployed yet. I mean, whatever. This is stupid. Anyway,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: something to look forward to. Med beds. There's a woman
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: in Canada who claims to be the queen of Canada
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: who says she's going to make them free for everybody, so.
• 1:08:20
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  Speaker 1: Google owned video site YouTube will pay $ 24. 5 million to
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