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Pam Walck’s Inspiring Story of Faith in Action · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Good, rough to a great start, and that is in part due to the wonderful guests that I get to talk with.
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  so it's not random if you're watching. No mistakes.
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  I want to share a couple of scriptures since we are all about the biblical world view.
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  Before we get to our guest, Pam, walk today, great book, by the way, Bridge of Love.
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  We'll get to that in a minute, but Psalm 90 verse 2 says,
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  before the mountains were born, or you gave birth to the earth and the world,
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  even from everlasting to everlasting, you are God.
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  And one more, it says in Hebrews chapter 1 verse 10,
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  you Lord, in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth,
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  and the heavens are the works of your hands. That's from Hebrews 1, 10.
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  So I want to bring in our guest today, Pam, walk, author, speaker, survivor of stage 4 lung cancer.
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  She explored multiple religions until she found the one true God.
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  Now after finding her father dead in their basement and experiencing the deaths of numerous
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  patients of various beliefs, she started to think about eternity. She'll tell you more about
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  her story in a minute, but she worked as a physical therapist most of her adult life,
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  and she graduated with a master's degree from Dallas Theological Seminary.
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  She taught Bible studies, worked with the homeless, served on multiple overseas missions trips,
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  and she lives near beautiful Niagara Falls, New York. Pam, walk, welcome to World View Matters.
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  Thank you, David. It's great to be here.
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  Great to see you. We've talked before, but that was over the phone.
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  Yes, so it's great to do this and connect this way, and I'm so blessed to be able to get your book
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  out there to more people, because it's, bring up the cover, Jeff. It's called,
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  Bridge of Love, 30 true stories of faith in action. So we're going to talk about some of those
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  stories with Pam. But first, you've been, you've been a busy little B, as they say. I've seen,
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  you know, follow you on Facebook. You're always going to different stores and different events and
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  setting up a table. And God bless you. That's what you have to do as a Christian author or, you know,
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  an independent author. That's what you have to do to get the word out. So what do you have coming
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  up and what have you been doing, Pam? Well, I published the book in the end of 2022, December,
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  and I've just been doing book signings, and I've spoken at some women's conferences,
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  some churches, and I've got a few different things coming up in October. But generally,
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  most of my book signs are locally, but I definitely would be willing to do things elsewhere.
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  I really want to meet new people because when you do a book sign event, you meet so many new
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  people that have read your book or have not read the book yet. And I just enjoy meeting people.
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  Yeah. Well, I hope you can get out there because you've got a great story. I love your heart for
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  the gospel and for evangelism. And just appreciate all that you're doing just following you. It's a
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  blessing. So before we get into the book, tell us a little bit about your coming down with cancer
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  or being diagnosed. When was that? And I think you even got something coming up. You're going in
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  for a regular scan to maybe, you know, check from time to time. Tell us about how that's going and
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  just what you overcame. Yeah. So two years ago, it's exactly almost two years. I was praying for
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  my mom. She's 95. And I was praying for her when she goes to bed in the morning. And I was praying
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  for her and all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe. Like I felt really short of breath. And I thought to
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  myself, this is really strange because I've never had health problems. I go to the gym all the time.
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  And I've been a physical therapist for the past 28 years. And I thought, you know, this is kind of
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  weird. Well, the next night. And then when I laid down on my bed, I could hear an inspiration when
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  I was breathing in. I could hear these abnormal crackles, which, which, you know, in medical terms,
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  they would call it rails. And I thought, that is not normal. That's like a sign of congestive heart
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  failure or something like that, something serious. So I called my doctor. I saw the nurse practitioner
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  because he was out of town. And she basically dismissed it and said that I was fine. It was probably
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  just allergies. And I said, I don't have any allergies to that. And when I stuck my phone in my mouth,
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  and I tape recorded it, you know, I recorded it. And I sent it to my doctor because I know him.
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  He was on vacation. He said I needed an immediate chest x-ray. Yeah, the chest x-ray done. They
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  said I had pneumonia. So then I was put on zythromax, which is an antibiotic for several days. And it
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  was not helping. And I was really short of breath. I was like, you know, I couldn't breathe at all.
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  And I called them off and I said, listen, I can't breathe. He's like, go to the emergency room. So I
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  went to the emergency room. And there was an older man there, an older duck. And he said,
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  what can I do? He did a scan. And he came back and he said, I think you have lung cancer. I was
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  like, what? I'm like, no way. I said, you know, it's probably a nodule from the pneumonia. He said,
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  well, I've been wrong before. So the next day I went to the hospital that I work at Eerie County
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  Medical Center or work day, because now I'm retired. And I saw a pulmonologist there and I could
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  barely breathe. And they decided to hospitalized me. And while hospitalized, they were giving me
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  IV antibiotics. And they took it down almost a little from my right lung. And you know, I'm still
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  thinking I have pneumonia. And the following week, I was discharged after a few days,
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  following week I went in to see the pulmonologist with my brother-in-law. And I just couldn't,
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  I was shocked. I mean, they said age for lung cancer. And it just like, you know, it just
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  changes your world once somebody tells you that. And I've never smoked even one cigarette in my life.
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  And that's why I just keep going to nowhere. It's, you know, like I said, it was like when I was
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  praying for my mother, I mean, all of a sudden it just comes out in nowhere. Wow. So yeah,
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  I'm really rough. So I think I'll go ahead. How has God used that? Because obviously,
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  you're a strong believer. And we trust in God's sovereignty. We don't always understand or we
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  most often don't understand just events and why things happen. But I'm sure that has deepened
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  your faith in some way. Before we get into your book, Bridge of Love, tell us a little bit about
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  that. Has that deepened your faith, which you've been through in the last couple of years?
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  Yeah. I mean, I've gone through trials before. And when I was a younger Christian, I went through
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  Crohn's disease and colitis. And that's in my book, Bridge of Love, chapter 29.
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  I mean, that it was several years later, but I'm not even talking remission. He healed it.
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  And the doctors couldn't believe that they couldn't find any evidence of it. And I've been,
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  you know, I was fine ever since I could eat whatever I wanted. I didn't have any stomach pain
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  anymore. None of that. So I went through. That was a really big health trial for me. And I've
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  gone through some other trials too. But this was, this has been the largest trial in my chemo right
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  now. I go actually for chemo in two days. And I have a CAT scan tonight. They scan me every three
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  months. I'm on Tigrasso, which is a target drug for a genetic mutation. But the biggest thing with
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  me for the Lord is I know he's with me and I know he can heal me. He is the healer and he does
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  and that's what I'm, I just keep saying I pray and I say, Lord, please manifest your healing
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  on this earth. And I really try to stay positive because it's so easy to get, you know, fear
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  can come into you and you can get depressed or start feeling like, you know, this is horrifying
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  and going through these things. So I went through like 40 long drains between 2021 and 2020
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  to Florex and me and the nurse would come to the house. And so all of that can get very
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  overwhelming emotional. So I have to stay in the word. I stay in the word and I have scriptures
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  and I go over every day, healing scriptures. And I mean, I'm not kidding. I slept for six months
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  in a recliner upright to a clock in the morning. Sometimes I would call into a prayer hotline
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  because, you know, it does. It's overwhelming sometimes and I would need this work. So and it
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  does help because the Christian community can help you through things. Yep. And we are to bear one
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  another's burdens. And I want to ask right now, if you're a Christian believer watching this,
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  listening to this, pray right now for Pam walk. Just pray for her in Jesus name that God would touch
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  her, sustain her, heal her, spirit soul and body and bless her life because God is using her in a
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  big way. Not a lot of people do the work that you're doing, Pam. I just want to ask you, what made
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  you quit your job as a physical therapist? And then not only just, you know, try to do something
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  maybe locally. You went to Dallas, theological seminary. You wanted to go deeper and just get
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  that theological training. What led you to that decision? Yeah. So I was a physician only like a
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  year or two and I was working at a different hospital and I was just, you know, I was on acute
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  care. So I was going room to room and seeing different patients and so many of them had very,
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  very serious health concerns. And some of them were dying. And a lot of the people that I met
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  were of other faith. Muslim, Hindu, no faith, atheist, Jewish, non-believer. And I was praying.
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  I was on these praying all the time for them and asking the Lord to save them. And I started
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  sharing the gas, both different places. You know, besides work, I was also sharing it, you know,
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  wherever I was. I could be at a party. I could be at any event. I just, I apparently God has given
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  me someone of the gift of evangelism. So I was sharing the gas and I really felt led that I wanted
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  to do more than just help somebody with a shoulder injury or a stroke or anything. I mean, that's
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  important. It's very important to help people with their health. But at the same time, I thought
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  if I could help them eternally, that's even more important because that's eternity. And our
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  life is such a vapor. It's such a small amount of time that we're here compared to eternity. So
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  I started looking for colleges or programs and so forth. And I know, did a lot of
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  reputation. And I just felt let led to go there. So I just, I quit my job at that and I moved
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  down. And it was a big move, huge move. My family couldn't believe it. They thought I was
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  pick on, you know, and I said, no people do do these things. People do go to seminary. People
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  do go to buy. And so I was down there and I got my masters and that's what led me into going
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  on a mission to Africa. And, you know, yeah, I just, I really am grateful that I went. It was a
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  tough program, but I'm very grateful for the foundation of education that I got down there. Wow.
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  What a blessing. What a blessing, Pam. Yeah, that's just amazing that you made that move and
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  did that. I think, and then going to Africa, a lot of people are living vicariously through you.
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  I'm going to quit my job and go to seminary. And by the way, good choice because I was just talking
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  with a pastor friend yesterday, how a lot of the seminaries have dropped the belief and the
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  inerrancy of scripture. And once you compromise there, you're just going to start compromising
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  on little doctrines and the essentials of the faith. And then they start teaching, well,
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  since doctrine is not as important, let's talk about church growth and how to build a bigger
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  church and attract a crowd. And that's not Christianity at all. We've got to take a break already,
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  but when we come back, we're going to talk about Pam's book, Bridge of Love. And there's a little
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  description here. It says it encompasses multiple stories of conversations, the homeless,
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  patients and hospitals and nursing homes, meeting friends at parties, experiences on the mission field,
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  and a lot more. We'll be right back with Pam Walk on World V Matters.
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  The book is called Bridge of Love, 30 True Stories of Faith in Action.
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  There's the cover right there. Beautiful cover. And Pam, two questions. One,
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  is that a specific bridge? Does it have any significance there on the front cover?
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  And then what inspired you to write this at this time?
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  Yeah, so the bridge is actually Hellgate Bridge in New York City. And how that came out,
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  yeah, at Hellgate Bridge, that's a different name. But how it came about was,
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  I think of Christ as the bridge, because you know, you've seen it sometimes when people share
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  the gospel, they'll talk about how he is the bridge between people, which are, you know,
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  the simple people here that we are. And the father is Jesus. And when we put our faith in Christ
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  alone as our savior, that we are saved from, you know, hell and that we get to go to heaven for
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  eternity. And he's with us through our life, through the Holy Spirit that individuals within us.
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  So I just really love bridges. My whole life, I love bridges. And then when I became a believer,
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  I just really thought, you know, Jesus is the bridge, isn't that cool? Well, my, the woman
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  care starter that did my cover design, she kept asking me, what kind of bridge do you want on the
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  cover? Because I wanted a bridge. And I said, Cara, I don't know. And I must have looked through,
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  like, probably thousands of Google images. And nothing was really hitting me. So I just
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  gave it up. I said, all right, God, if you want me to have a bridge on this cover, you tell me
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  what bridge it is because I have no clue. And yeah. And then the one night, my mom's 95,
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  and the aide was watching her and being carover and the other TV program. And I walked into the living
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  room and I said, wow, let's just put the news out about the show. And all of a sudden,
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  10 second blurb came on of a background of a bridge in this man was talking from New York City
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  on a story. Wasn't even talking about the bridge. But something in me just said, that is the bridge.
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  And I tried to look it up. I thought, how am I going to find a bridge in New York City?
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  I look it up and there it was the particular bridge, Hellgate Bridge. And I thought, this kind of
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  creepy, Hellgate Bridge. But now that I saw, like, the whole point of Hellgate Bridge is to save
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  people from the treacherous waters below. And it protects just like the Lord does and he
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  saves us from our sins through Jesus. And I thought that it was so cool how the Lord aligned that.
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  Yeah. That is cool. And of course, we know that Jesus is our bridge to get to God. That's
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  our only access. There is only one God and one mediator between God and man Christ Jesus. So Pam,
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  described a story or two. I mean, we're already down to about 10 minutes. But describe a story or
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  two. I know you're not supposed to have a favorite if you're an author. What's your favorite chapter
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  or what's your favorite story, right? But I'm sure you have a couple of them that maybe are near
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  and dear to your heart. Yeah. Half of the book is on faith and half of it is on evangelism.
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  So there are faith stories in there. For instance, the Crohn's disease being healed
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  my back. I had a horrible back disorder at one point. And this is again in my younger Christian days
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  when I really put a lot of stock into the medical field. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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  But sometimes like the Bible says, Seaky first the kingdom of God in his righteousness. So was I
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  really seeking God for my healing or was I just 100% thinking it's medical? So when I realized that
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  that I was I was putting too much on the medical my God's healing power, I was healed of my back
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  disorder. Now I've had back disorder since. But you know, and I and God has used physical therapy
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  and chiropractic and all those types of things. But sometimes he uses just plain ginseng
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  miracle. And I think those are really awesome times when you look back and you say God can do
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  it again if he if he chooses to and hopefully he does. And so that's one thing. I think one of
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  the biggest things, for instance, this is October coming up soon. But when I was a younger I just
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  became a Christian. And I was driving on the road in Amherst, New York. And they were talking
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  because my birthday is Halloween. And they were talking about how there's a Christian channel WDCX
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  and Buffalo and the pastor. And was talking about how, you know, we're not really we're not
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  supposed to do things with the occult or astrology or terror cards or any of that because it's not
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  of God. If we want to know our future, we just stand a word and we just, you know, basically we plan.
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  But we also asked him to direct our path. And I thought to myself, I didn't know this. I mean,
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  when I was younger, I used to write an astrology column. I went to Lilydale, which is a town in
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  New York, which is known for psychic. And I thought to myself, I had all these things I used to
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  dress up in, you know, like a devil costume or a Ouija board, all these things. So when I heard
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  this, I felt very convicted on the radio that night. This is not right. And I had not been doing
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  it for a little bit, but I immediately went home. I went down to the basement of the apartment that I
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  lived in and I threw it all out in the curve. I just threw it all in the garbage. And, you know,
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  the Lord says he, I know it says when you obey him, you love him. I really believe that God will
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  bless obedience. And you may not see it right away. You may not see it till happen, but he does bless
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  obedience because he knows that, you know, we know he wants the best for us. And that night was
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  night. I was tired. And I flipped on the TV and who's on TV, but Kirk Cameron. And he was talking
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  about, yeah, and you know, he's an evangelist now. He's been growing pains for years. And
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  so him and Ray comfort around and they're sharing the gasful. And I literally, I felt and I do
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  want to say the word felt like this is what God wants me to do. He wants to be sure the gasful.
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  I thought this era, you know, it's not just between me and other people or me and God, but me and
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  other people. And they asked me along along with other verses and Bible verses I'd read about
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  sharing the gasful. That's what started me and that was years ago. And I think back at that and
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  with October coming up, I think it's really important that when people think these things are
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  funny, it's really not funny. You know, you don't want to be in a kingdom of darkness. You want to
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  be in the kingdom of light, not the kingdom of darkness. Amen. Amen. By the way, whether you call it
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  you, not you, but people call it a gift of evangelism. We are all called to be ambassadors for
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  Christ. And we are messengers of reconciliation. We are the ones that are going to tell people the
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  good news. Otherwise, how are they going to hear it by random chance? Maybe they'll walk into a
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  church. No, even some Christians are even leaving churches. So they're not going to go to church.
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  We've got to share the truth about Jesus Christ. But anyway, off my soapbox, you mentioned WDCX.
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  We have both done interviews on that station with the wonderful woman of God, Linda Penn. And I
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  brought up my phone because we had exchanged some messages back on March 22 of this year. And you
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  just simply sent me a message and said, Linda Penn is now in heaven. I responded and said, oh my goodness,
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  mixed emotions. First, good for her. God bless and comfort her family and loved ones. And I,
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  I just recently had an interview with her too. So let's, I know this is not about your book
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  this moment. But Linda Penn, what a wonderful godly woman who had a ministry. She was on WDCX
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  and in Buffalo, New York. Pam, share your thoughts on that.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So Linda, I've known for years and we went on multiple mission trips together to
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  Costa Rica. Yeah, she, she was a powerhouse for Christianity. I mean, if you said, you know, I mean,
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  in Buffalo, she used to do death by chocolate, which was, you know, probably 3,000 women would
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  gather. Usually I think it was September, October. And they would have a guest speaker. And she,
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  you know, ran tons of Bible studies. And again, mission trips. And she just very outspoken. And
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  then after she left the women's ministry at the chapel, where I go to church, again, starting
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  more Bible studies, doing her own radio program and continuing to, you know, be involved with the
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  especially Costa Rica. There was some ministries down there that she was very involved with, but just
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  a very strong presence of the Lord in her life. He really was very, it's, say, as we mess her,
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  you know, we really do. It was very shocking. But at the same time, yes, she is in heaven. Yeah.
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  Good for her. Not any for anything. Yeah.
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  Lord willing, just met our time, every one of us. And that's up to God. So Pam, before we
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  let you go, I know the books on Amazon. And it's doing really well. Five star ratings.
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  Where else can people get it? Or is that the main place to get bridge of love?
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  Yeah, you can get it at books a million online. You can get it at Barnes and Noble online,
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  Walmart online. If you live in the Western New York area, there's many different stores in Western
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  New York that I have posted on my website that you can get it at. Yeah. Mostly again, Amazon,
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  Barnes and Noble, Walmart, books a million online. And then there's also an ebook too.
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  So what is your website?
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  It's well, I have an author website on Amazon. And then also if you go to my Facebook page,
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  it's Pam walk, you know, just type in Buffalo, New York or Niagara Falls, New York. I think I'm
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  the only Pam walk. But there's a lot of evangelism stories and sharing the gospel with, you know,
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  a Hindu, a Jehovah witness, a Mormon, you know, people that are not of Christianity,
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  atheists and agnostics. And I think it's really important just to know that anybody can share
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  the gospel. You just have to open your mouth and, you know, share your story of how you came to
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  Christ or, you know, share the guy. Yeah, what has God done for you at Christian? You know, we
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  can share our individual experience and just say, you know what? I would be heading in the,
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  for a very bad destination if Jesus didn't save me. Hey, I want to mention when you search for Pamela
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  on Facebook, it's W-A-L-C-K. W-A-L-C-K is her last name. Table of content. Oh, wait a minute,
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  because we need to make sure we find out what you're planning on. Do you have another book in
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  the works? I know it might be early. You're still, you know, talking about this one, but, you know,
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  a writer likes to write. So, where's that at with you? Yeah, so I met about chapter 20 on my second.
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  Oh my goodness. I have a few chapters. Yeah, and then of course, we'll have to go through the whole
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  publishing process of editing and so forth, but hopefully it'll be quicker than my last book,
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  which took 15 years because all the stories are going to take place and I was working full time
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  and taking care of my mom. I just didn't have, I had too much responsibility to get the book published,
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  but now I have more time and I've been working on it and yes, I'm looking forward to that book too.
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  Well, God's still writing. I mean, he was writing a lot of your stories as you were putting them into
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  this book, Bridge of Love. You know, God was through your experiences. So, I'm glad you mentioned Pam
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  that anyone can share the gospel. You don't have to be a television evangelist or someone with a
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  degree. You just have to love Jesus and love people enough to tell them the truth. We just got
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  a couple minutes left. Just your encouraging words to those who, I mean, we've got people watching
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  and listening that are at different levels of their faith. Some of them are even maybe seeking.
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  So, Pam, just share it with our audience. The importance of, you know, coming to faith in Jesus
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  and sharing what God has done because there's only a limited amount of time left.
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  Right. Yeah, so when I became a Christian, like I said, I really just was focused on the Lord
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  and myself and then I started realizing, there's millions of people in this world. I mean,
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  150,000 people died every 24 hours and that's a lot of people and the Bible says is the narrow path.
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  So, unfortunately, many people trust in themselves that they're a good person and none of us are good.
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  It says, for all of sin and fault and short of the glory of God, meaning none of us are perfect.
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  We are all sinners. We're all, you know,
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  unfortunately, we all do things every day breaking the 10 commandments. And once you become a Christian,
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  he starts peeling that away like an onion so that you don't do those things as, you know, as much
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  frequently and you're becoming more and more like Jesus. But in the meantime, you're meeting all your
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  friends, your family, your coworkers and they're either saved or they're not saved.
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  Stay from what? Stay from the wrath of God and you don't want anyone to go to hell. You want them to go
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  to heaven and be with the Lord. So, to me, it's like the best news in the world, the gospel, the good
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  news is sharing the gospel. It's even more important than, you know, helping a person with their
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  shoulder or their back or just doing nice things for people because when they know the Lord,
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  it's eternity and that is so long and so important. And yes, you can share the gospel because I always
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  say, we want to make Jesus known and know him, to know Jesus and make him known. And they have to
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  be anywhere with your neighbor. It can be with an overseas mission trip. It can be in the bank
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  anywhere. Just try to play the conversation from the natural to the spiritual a lot of times,
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  you know, invite somebody to church, ask him what they're doing this weekend.
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  Just, you know, to a conversation, a deeper conversation than just, are you a Christian?
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  Because a lot of people will say they're Christians, but again, are they truly a Christian?
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  Right. And I'm not God, but you can tell by the responses, you know, if they say something like,
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  well, you know, I don't know where I'm going and, you know, I believe that God exists. Well,
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  the devil also believes Jesus exists. But are they following him?
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  And what you said, it reminds me of George Barna and some of the research he does. I mean,
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  I think the recent numbers are 60, some percent of Americans say they're Christian,
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  but they're not. When you get down to the biblical worldview, believing Jesus is the only way going
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  through the essentials of the faith and the biblical worldview, it's something like six percent
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  of Americans. It's really low. So a lot of people think they are, but they don't have a good
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  understanding of what it means to be a Christian. Pam walk, we are going to continue this conversation,
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  Lord willing in the name of Jesus. We will talk again and have you back on World View Matters. But
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  God bless you, sister and your health, too. We will keep in touch. And thanks for your time today.
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  Check out friends, the book Bridge of Love. God bless you, Pam. Thank you. You're too, David.
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  All right. We'll talk to you soon. Guys, next week, the great Alex Newman will be on. I'm
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  not sure what day yet. We haven't worked that out. Alex Newman, journalist and author and Linda
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  Harvey of Mission America, Carl Kirby of Reasons for Hope. He's going to be my guest. Why? Because we
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  are doing a conference together in Green Bay, Wisconsin on October 14. It's for men. It's called
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  Men of Iron Conference. Well, I'll tell you more information as it gets closer. But it's coming
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  up before we know and we're already getting close to the end of September. But thanks for sharing
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  the show, guys. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.