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The Late Debate | 26 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait way, well, thanks for joining us. I'm
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  Speaker 1: James macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch you. We're
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  Speaker 1: glad to have back. You've been away, We've missed you.
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  Speaker 2: It's been good to be back.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually the Aspire conference that John Anderson was
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  Speaker 3: running in Sydney over the last two days.
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  Speaker 2: It was really awesome, very good.
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  Speaker 1: And Caleb, what are you most looking forward to talking
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  Speaker 1: about tonight?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know the fact that I'm here with the
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  Speaker 4: wonderful James McPherson. I noticed last night you didn't give
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  Speaker 4: me any compliments, but I'm just paying one to you.
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  Speaker 4: Hoping it mart you know, come back to me one day.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you. We'll wait and see if
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  Speaker 1: it returns to you. All right, here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: What's more difficult for Anthony Albanezi, Grace tame or telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth? We'll get into that controversy. And speaking of controversy,
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  Speaker 1: a reality TV contestant has been slammed for insisting he
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  Speaker 1: wants a traditional marriage. Is he a dangerous misogynist? Or
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  Speaker 1: people overreacting? And Harry and Meghan are pretending to be
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  Speaker 1: royals again? Touring refugee camps in Jordan. Whar's the line
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  Speaker 1: between philanthropy and self promotion? You might know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they do. We'll get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but first, if you listen to the Alberanzi government, they're
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  Speaker 1: all about keeping Australian safe from radical Islam. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying we believe them, but that's their claim. They insist
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  Speaker 1: they take Islamic terrorism seriously and nothing matters more than
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  Speaker 1: keeping all of us safe. So riddle me this. How
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  Speaker 1: is it that an Islamic terrorist jailed for eighteen years
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  Speaker 1: after being found guilty of, among other things, plotting to
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  Speaker 1: bomb the MCG is now in the community without any
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  Speaker 1: supervision orders. The court placed thirty conditions on Abdul Bendricka
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  Speaker 1: when he was released from prison in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: including regular psychological treatment and mandatory participation in deradicalization programs.
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  Speaker 1: But when that supervision order expired last November, well, the
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  Speaker 1: Elsbernizi government inexplicitly chose not to apply for an extension.
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  Speaker 1: So one of this country's most notorious terrorists is roaming
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  Speaker 1: around completely unmonitored, and all we have to assure our
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  Speaker 1: safety is Abdul ben Bricker's word that he's no longer
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  Speaker 1: a threat. Caleb, Can you believe this?
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  Speaker 4: It's extraordinary, and even more extraordinary when you consider the
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  Speaker 4: fact he was released some years ago. He had his
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  Speaker 4: eighteen year time in jail, as you said, but it
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  Speaker 4: was only a year ago that Commonwealth prosecutors were trying
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  Speaker 4: to have the conditions put upon him in the order
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  Speaker 4: that was on him at that time increased, because, according
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  Speaker 4: to the Commonwealth Attorney General's Department, he had been communicating
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  Speaker 4: with a guy had met him on at least three
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  Speaker 4: occasions who had spent five years or nearly five years
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  Speaker 4: in jail for a shootout with.
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  Speaker 5: Anti terrorism police.
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  Speaker 4: So only a year ago they were worried that he
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  Speaker 4: was hanging out with the wrong kind of people and
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  Speaker 4: wanted stricter restrictions on him. But then when it expired
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  Speaker 4: in November, they just go, Okay, well, he's fine now.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't tell me that a guy who
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  Speaker 4: plotted to bomb the MCG just because you made him
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  Speaker 4: do a de radicalization program and made him talk to
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  Speaker 4: a shrink once a week that he's now all well
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  Speaker 4: and good to be out in the community, particularly in
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  Speaker 4: the context of everything that is currently going on. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that the guy is going to do anything.
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  Speaker 4: We have no idea, but you would think if there
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  Speaker 4: are people on the books that we know have been
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  Speaker 4: involved in a radical Islamist terror, you'd go hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Right now after a big terror attack.
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  Speaker 4: When we know there are problems with Islamism in this country,
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  Speaker 4: we should be keeping an even closer eye on the
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  Speaker 4: people that we know have been a problem. I don't
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  Speaker 4: am I missing something I don't know, And.
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  Speaker 3: Experts in the case like it was some consolation said, well,
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  Speaker 3: don't worry. He's unlikely to go and commit a lone
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  Speaker 3: wolf attack. He's much more likely to assist us in
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  Speaker 3: committing attacks.
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  Speaker 2: So don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that gives me great assurance that this guy should
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  Speaker 3: be out on the street and free to go about
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  Speaker 3: his business.
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  Speaker 2: One of the other aspects of this case that is
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  Speaker 2: so wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Is that Ben Bricker is a dual citizen with Algeria
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  Speaker 3: and we've never been able to strip his citizenship.
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  Speaker 2: That is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: He tried to blow up the MCG, he went to
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  Speaker 3: jail for almost two decades.
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  Speaker 2: And yet he is here.
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  Speaker 3: Not because he was born here he has acquired the
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  Speaker 3: privilege through citizenship.
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  Speaker 2: He should not be an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if their decision to not continue the
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  Speaker 1: deradicalization program is an admission that these programs don't really work,
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  Speaker 1: because that has been the evidence from Europe certainly, where
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  Speaker 1: they've put a lot of faith in these programs for
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  Speaker 1: very little result.
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  Speaker 5: It's done nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the fact that he's from Algeria is
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  Speaker 4: half the pro we couldn't send him back there, because
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  Speaker 4: we do have a blueprint for trying to send people
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  Speaker 4: back to Algeria in the UK, where they denied deporting
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  Speaker 4: a fellow because his son didn't like the taste of
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  Speaker 4: Algerian chicken nuggets. You see, he only liked the English
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  Speaker 4: chicken nuggets. So maybe that would be the defense of
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  Speaker 4: Ben Bricker if we ever tried to get rid of him,
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  Speaker 4: whether this was an oversight, and look, if it was
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  Speaker 4: an oversight, it's a pretty bloody big obsolute or there
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  Speaker 4: was an active decision that was made that he no
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  Speaker 4: longer needs to have some sort of supervision order.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't know how you would think that he doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Need a supervision order, even if you thought that somehow
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  Speaker 4: or another he had been completely deradicalized. Surely it is
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  Speaker 4: better to have more supervision than it is to not,
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  Speaker 4: and the imposition on the taxpayer to prevent what could
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  Speaker 4: be a terror attack is just worth the money.
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  Speaker 1: Before we move on, how much stock do you think
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  Speaker 1: the Australian voting public in things like this? We've had
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  Speaker 1: the Bondi terror attack, the Isis brides are still all
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  Speaker 1: over the news now this. Do you think this is
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  Speaker 1: the sort of thing that people who don't normally pay
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  Speaker 1: attention to politics really zone in on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yes, if there is a threat to life, they
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  Speaker 4: will pay attention to it. And I think you've only
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  Speaker 4: got to look at the polling floating around at the
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  Speaker 4: moment to see that people are not happy with the
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  Speaker 4: way things are going, and stuff like this, of course
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  Speaker 4: does contribute to it. And speaking of all the people
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  Speaker 4: who are caught up in the way things are going,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen at some point today the comments
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  Speaker 4: that Anthony Albanezi made yesterday about Grace Taman then walked
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  Speaker 4: back today rather bizarrely. Now, you know, as I say,
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  Speaker 4: you've probably seen it. But for those who have been
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  Speaker 4: too busy at work today and don't have the time
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  Speaker 4: to sit around all day and read the news like
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  Speaker 4: I do. This is what Anthony Albanezi, the Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 4: city yesterday at a forum talking to my old boss,
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  Speaker 4: the editor of the Herald Sun, Sam Weir.
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  Speaker 1: Australia Day, Great.
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  Speaker 5: Grace Tame.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult.
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  Speaker 4: So he's been asked to do a word association thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you one thing. You've got to give me
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  Speaker 4: a one word answer. He says, Grace Tame difficult, and
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  Speaker 4: I think the rest of us went yep, pretty much.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I thought, and all moved on.
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  Speaker 4: But apparently some people on social media even were quite
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  Speaker 4: unhappy with that, because Grace Tame is a rape victim
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  Speaker 4: who did good work in that sector. Seemingly now you
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  Speaker 4: can't criticize anything else she does, like getting up and
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  Speaker 4: saying globalize the INTERFATA and these sorts of things.
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  Speaker 5: Right, you should be able to separate.
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  Speaker 4: The two issues, But the Prime Minister has woken up
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  Speaker 4: this morning on our Heck, I'm in trouble for this.
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  Speaker 4: What am I going to do about it? So he
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  Speaker 4: just denies that he meant she was difficult.
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  Speaker 6: Grace Tame, you certainly can't describe in one word, she
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  Speaker 6: has had a difficult life, and that was what I
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  Speaker 6: was referring to. And what Grace Tame has done is
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  Speaker 6: to turn that difficult experience that she had into being
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  Speaker 6: a strong advocate for others, which is why she received
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  Speaker 6: quite rightly the Australier of the Year award. If there
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  Speaker 6: was any misinterpretation, then I certainly apologize.
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  Speaker 4: I'll come on, Prime Minister, you called her difficult. We
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  Speaker 4: all heard it, and most of us agreed with you. You
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to go and make up the weakest. It's
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  Speaker 4: like the dog ate my homework.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just admit it.
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  Speaker 4: You said what you said, and you meant it, and
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  Speaker 4: that's fine. And Grace Tame has of course confirmed what
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  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister said in the first place today because
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  Speaker 4: she's hit back and put on Instagram dude's quoting Scott
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  Speaker 4: Now she means Scott Morrison. She's had a difficult life.
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  Speaker 4: Spare me the condescension, old man. We all know what
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  Speaker 4: you meant. A badge of honor anyway, a confession that
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  Speaker 4: I've raffled him. And I mean, she's actually kind of right.
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  Speaker 4: We did all know what he meant. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: did he really think he was going to get away
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  Speaker 4: with that.
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  Speaker 1: How many advisors do you reckon? He had sitting around
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  Speaker 1: the dining room table to work this all night, burning
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  Speaker 1: the midnight, all trying to work out how can we
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  Speaker 1: spin this so and someone came up with a great idea.
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  Speaker 1: She's not difficult, She's had a difficult life, and Alban
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  Speaker 1: Easy thought he could get away with that. No one
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  Speaker 1: is buying this.
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  Speaker 2: No one is buying this at all.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost embarrassing that he's even attempting this.
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  Speaker 1: He looks kind of embarrassed when he was trying to explain.
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  Speaker 3: It is horribly embarrassing. We all saw what happened. This
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  Speaker 3: is the problem. Alban Easy has spent so long trying
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  Speaker 3: to suck up to these people on the left, and
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  Speaker 3: he sees Grace tam as an ally because she mutually
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  Speaker 3: dislikes Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party and so their
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  Speaker 3: lefty buddies together.
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  Speaker 2: You'll remember she wore that F.
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  Speaker 3: Murdoch t shirt to the lodge for the Australia Day
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  Speaker 3: Morning tea last year. They have a lot in common,
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  Speaker 3: probably in terms of their political views, both on the left.
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  Speaker 3: But what he's got to realize is Grace Tame, given
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  Speaker 3: her comments on globalizing the Interfader, given her antics that
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  Speaker 3: she's publicly performed shunning Scott Morrison wearing crazy T shirts.
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  Speaker 2: She is kind of unhinged and she.
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  Speaker 3: Will publicly shame whoever she wants to publicly shame.
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  Speaker 2: You'll remember when.
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  Speaker 3: She got the Australianay Awards, she literally gave the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister a death stare in front of all the media.
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  Speaker 3: He Alban Eazy should have known better. It was only
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  Speaker 3: a matter of time before Grace Tame turned on him.
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  Speaker 1: He's made it worse now because first he's insulted Grace
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  Speaker 1: Tame and upset all the lefties. But in his attempt
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  Speaker 1: to fix it now, he's reminded us all that he
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  Speaker 1: struggles to lie straight in bed two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five dollar power price reduction. That was a lie. Isis brides?
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  Speaker 1: We're not doing anything to help them at all. We
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  Speaker 1: all know that's not true, and of course we all
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  Speaker 1: remember this incident really well.
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  Speaker 7: Just in the last hour or so, mister Albinezy has
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  Speaker 7: unfortunately fallen off a stage he was posing for photographs
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  Speaker 7: after delivering a speech. You can see there he fell
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  Speaker 7: down he was helped up by some of the folk
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  Speaker 7: there attending that conference.
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  Speaker 1: And of course he was his denial that that ever happened.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I stepped off the stage.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't fall over on my backside.
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  Speaker 5: I stumbled, That's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Why he had to lie about that, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: And why he had to lie about calling Gracetam difficult,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know either. He should have simply apologized, said look,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean any offense and moved on exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean he did stumble, he stumbled in whatever
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  Speaker 4: the hell he said this morning, I mean to be
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  Speaker 4: you know, what he meant was she had a difficult life.
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  Speaker 4: The word that would immediately come to Marty's brave. And
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  Speaker 4: he could have said brave, correct woman who stood up
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  Speaker 4: and advocated for the betterment of people who are.
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  Speaker 1: Resilient of sexual assault, Like there's.
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  Speaker 4: One hundred other words you could have used, but he
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  Speaker 4: used difficult. And I think he meant difficult because he
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  Speaker 4: got put in a spot, obviously over the INTERFATA comments,
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  Speaker 4: which he had previously refused to go after her for,
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  Speaker 4: but has then since said, you know, actually maybe she
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't have said it, And yeah, he just thought this
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  Speaker 4: has been difficult.
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  Speaker 5: He meant it, just admit it.
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  Speaker 1: Is there an argument here that we should just get
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  Speaker 1: rid of Australian of the Year. It's a stupid Why
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  Speaker 1: do we have to have an Australian of the Year,
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  Speaker 1: because then you set somebody up almost as this saintly
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  Speaker 1: figure who could you know? Adam Goods is another one
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  Speaker 1: who you really can't criticize Adam Goods Grace's Tame. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: you can't criticize her because they were Australian of the Year.
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  Speaker 1: Is there an argument to just get rid of that
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  Speaker 1: award completely? Does it more problems than it solved?
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  Speaker 2: No, you need to have awards like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's important that you recognize people who do do genuinely
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  Speaker 3: good work for our nation. But I think you just
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  Speaker 3: have to be selective and who you give it to.
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  Speaker 3: Someone should have done a bit more of a background
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  Speaker 3: check on Grace Tame, and you should not give it
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  Speaker 3: to people who were actively engaged in any form of
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  Speaker 3: lobbying or political involvement.
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  Speaker 2: It really should.
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  Speaker 3: Be above partisan politics. But time and time again, Grace
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  Speaker 3: Tame has stooped to new life.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is people get awarded Australian of the Year
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  Speaker 1: and then they see it as a platform to make
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  Speaker 1: a difference in the country, and then they become an
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  Speaker 1: activist on the back of receiving that award. I reckon,
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  Speaker 1: we should just get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, an interesting argument.
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on to someone else who's also copying some
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  Speaker 3: heat right now, Maths or Married at First Sight.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought we'd be talking.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: About this on the Late Debate, but it is one
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  Speaker 3: of the most watched TV shows in Australia. Surprisingly and
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: this season they have a new bachelor on the show
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  Speaker 3: who is causing a lot of controversy. His name is
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Tyson Gordon and the Sydney Morning Herald is labeling him
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  Speaker 3: as a toxic groom.
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  Speaker 2: Why what makes him so toxic? Well, he wants a
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  Speaker 2: traditional wife. Have a look. The whole traditional value is
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  Speaker 2: close to my heart.
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  Speaker 7: I see myself as a provider and a protector, and
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  Speaker 7: I long for a partner who embodies grace, lauty and femininity.
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  Speaker 2: I send friendly by my beliefs and I won't waiver
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  Speaker 2: on him.
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  Speaker 3: If the person across from me today embraces wokee culture,
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: will have a problem.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of these white people don't take care of
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  Speaker 2: their rigs.
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  Speaker 5: They all sort of sloppy. They've got green hair.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I take care of my body, right, I've got to
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  Speaker 5: rid here to.
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  Speaker 1: Maintain, as we all know.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't want that in my woman, right.
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  Speaker 3: Look, he wants to be a provider and a protector
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  Speaker 3: and he doesn't want a woke, ugly wife. What's so
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  Speaker 3: wrong with that? A lot of Australians would probably agree
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  Speaker 3: with him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to enter into this one.
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  Speaker 1: He's been slammed so badly on social media. I mean
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  Speaker 1: people were saying, because he wants a traditional wife, that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Channel nine should never have put this to air because
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: they are normalizing dangerous attitudes that we've picked up by
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  Speaker 1: young women across the country. They've called it disgusting, They've
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: said the network has gone too far. I think it
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  Speaker 1: says more about Australians than it does about maths. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you could get away with pretty much anything on that show.
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  Speaker 1: But if you dare to suggest you'd prefer a sort
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: of a nineteen fifties kind of marriage, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: you've committed the cardinal sin.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, he seems like a bit of
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: a caricature.
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  Speaker 5: But it's like it's merit for sight.
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  Speaker 4: For heaven's sake, it is a television show, one of
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  Speaker 4: the highest rating, if not the highest rating, in the country,
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  Speaker 4: that's designed for entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: They have come saying they're not on their legitimately looking
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: for love.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I would never what's such a thing, James?
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  Speaker 2: I know it's from maths do lass?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, A couple.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, there are a couple clearly literally and I don't
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  Speaker 4: know the fifteen series.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever they've done, or a couple.
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  Speaker 4: There are a couple who've survived, and I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just the law of averages that probably are linked
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  Speaker 4: up with some people who really.
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  Speaker 5: Do like each other.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a television show created for entertainment. They picked
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  Speaker 4: a guy that.
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  Speaker 5: They know is going to say things that will rile
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  Speaker 5: people up. That's what he's there for.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, people who are complaining online find something
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  Speaker 4: better to do, and equally to him if he's upset
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  Speaker 4: about it. I mean, mate, you knew what you were
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  Speaker 4: signing up for when you went on married. Oh no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm always so surprised that these people are going married
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  Speaker 4: at first sight and then they afterwards they complain about
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  Speaker 4: the producers gave me a bad edit and it was toxic,
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  Speaker 4: and it was this, and it was that.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Look, I don't know.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not nostrodamus, but I can predict that if you
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: go on Married at First Sight, it's not real life,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: and they're doing it so they can show you off
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: on television to earn money.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: They've done fifteen series. What do you think they were
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: going to do well?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: At the start of the program, Caleb, you said that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I need to pay your more compliments. So here it is.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Before the show you made a great point. I just
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: thought you were going to say it then and you didn't.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So let me remind you as of you said to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: me earlier.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: James remembers what I've forgotten.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Caleb said to me before the show. Why would you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: say you want a traditional marriage? And so I know exactly.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I know it's like the most untraditional thing.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: No, that is true.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: But what does frustrate me about this is whenever conservatives
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: go on TV shows or enter into popular culture, they
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: are always bullied. I mean it's always all of them
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: against one. You get ganged up on, you get shouted
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: out of the public square. Maths has had to turn
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: off the comments on all of the social media posts
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: where this guy appears because there is that vibe.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I just think that is.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Ridiculous, and I will admit some of the things he's articulated,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: he hasn't done it very well. He said he wants
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: a submissive wife, but I don't think he really knows
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: what submission truly means. He doesn't really have I don't
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: know if he's a Christian or not, so you can
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: ask some questions around his political views perhaps or his
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: idea of marriage. But saying he just wants to be
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: a protector and a provider and he wants a wife
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: who's feminine, I actually think he represents a lot of Australians,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: a surprisingly large number many people want that kind of
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a life. So the fact that he just gets bullied
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: kind of shows you how out of touch a lot
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: of the media and entertainment class really is with what
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: average people want.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: This is the problem with him sort of being a caricaturer,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I think is that it just makes it so easy
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to then demonize what may be reasonably mainstream view. When
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: you have someone who seems to be ofish saying it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: it comes across as though it's an o fish point
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: of view, when it isn't. I mean, if and forgive me,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I watched five minutes of his ceremony.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: And as that in preparation for the show, or is this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Someone sent it to me and so I just watched
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: it anyway, So as he's coming, she's coming down the
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: aisle asone's coming down the aisle, and she looks like
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: a good looking lass to me, And it then cuts
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: to a clip of him saying, oh, you know, she
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: looks a bit woke, And I'm like, how do you
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: tell she's walking down? She didn't have green hair, she
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: had blonde hair and red lipstick.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would have thought that's a goer, isn't it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Seriously, how can you tell by looking at someone that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: they're woke if they've got like, they don't have blue.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Hair all I know exactly, they're sort of the indicators,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: or if they've got one of the vibe piercings in
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the nose or something and go, oh, yeah, it's a woke.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: They probably didn't pick the best example of conservatism to
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: represent the cause on maths. Maybe next year they can
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: have a true good conservative And.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: That's all part of the entertainment.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Channel nine will be very up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: About the country exactly an upset that we're talking about.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Which they hope will continue for many more weeks to come.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of controversy, the opposition Education Minister Julian
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Lisa has told university leaders that they need to scrap
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: group assignments. Now you'll be familiar with group assignments. Most
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of the assessment you do at university is individual assignments exams.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But every now and again they throw you an assignment
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that you have to gather together with two or three
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: other classmates and do it together. Julian Lisa says this
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: is typically unfair because while it may encourage some collaboration,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: invariably one person gets stuck with doing most of the work.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I've seen surveys in Australia and overseas where there are
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: mixed results about how students feel regarding these sorts of assignments.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: But typically they find fifty percent of students really like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: group assignments, and I reckon they're the fifty percent who
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: probably aren't that good at university, and so they think,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: if only I could be teamed with Freyer and Caleb.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: We'd get Caleb to do most of the work, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he's the smartest one on the late debate, and we'll
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: get good marks.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: And this is exactly why they need to get rid
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it is a stupid system, and it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: so unfair to particularly English speaking students because one of
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the big problems that students face now is with all
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: of these foreign students who come in and pay full
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: tot oalds, the full tariff, which is great for the universities.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: They love it, but many of them don't have perfect English.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: And so when it comes to the nitty gritty of
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: getting these things done, you've got a student who's a
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: native English speaker.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: That's your ticket to ride. That's what you need.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: It's not really fair on anyone to say, well, that's
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: the way in which it works. Surely you're at university
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: to prove your own metal should be anyway, and so
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: there's no real need to have a group project.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Well, and certainly not one that's weighted so heavily. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: most of the courses I did at Sydney UNI, group
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of assignments could count for as much as twenty or
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: thirty percent of your mark in an entire course, do.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You choose who you did the assignment with or you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: told who you'll do it with.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So in most classes you, at least at Sydney University,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: you don't choose. And I actually have a theory that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I can't prove this, but the tutors intentionally disperse the
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Australian students with English sounding names among the international students,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: so there's one kid who can speak English in each group,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and then that person ends up carrying the load. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: happened to me I was in a group assignment and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: my peers, the three people I was with, literally could
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: not communicate with me. They ended up talking with each
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: other in Mandarin. And then they also wanted to meet
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: at like one am in the morning to do the assignment.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It was just it was a joke, to be perfectly honest.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But then I had another course where we did get
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: to pick the groups, and immediately the domestic students ran
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to one side of the room and all formed groups
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: with each other, and then the international students sort of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: had to deal with it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: But it is deeply, deeply unfair.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: You should be assessed on your individual skills, and there
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: are plenty of ways to show you can communicate with
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: people and for employers to assess that you don't need
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to do group assignments.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: So universities are making quite a few changes at the moment,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: predominantly because of AI. So they're insisting now that students
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: come into the campus to do assignments exams to prevent
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: cheating with AI. With all of those changes, do you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: think they would take Julian Lisa up on this one
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: or would they say, you know what, let's just leave this.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It's going to create too much controversy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, why shouldn't they really? Why should they not?
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: And well, yes, I know what you're going to say.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: If it's more work for them, they have to mark
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: four assignments and.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: It also jeopardizes the international students too.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Who a lot.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: There are academics who will tell you they've had pressure
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: put on them by universities to give international students the
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: past mark. Just give everyone at least fifty percent so
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: they passed the courses, so they keep paying the fees.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: The standards and our universities have dropped so much because
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: they are so hungry for these international fees.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Amount of interest, What did you get for your group assignment.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: For the one where I was with the international students,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I think I got a distinction or something. But the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: one where I was with domestic students who were all
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: very switched on, I think I got a high distinction.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Not to brag, you actually told me to ask you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that question as I saw your eyes light up, for.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: I think that's what we call a humble brag. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry James, when you asked me that question. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: was sort of living in a world where I thought
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that universities were still concerned with the achieving great academic success,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: not about making money out of international students. And so
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: of course I was stupid to think that they would
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: do anything that would.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Be actually good for what they produced.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: While we're talking about stupid, let's talk about Willara Council.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Just a little funny side story. I was talking to
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: some who lives in the Wallara Council but she's not
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: from Sydney, and I said to her, you know it's Woollerra, right,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: and she sort of looked at me like have I
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: been saying it wrong all this time? And has strung
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: her along long enough until now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: It's actually Willara.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: It's just a fun game if you're an out you
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: got dealing with it out of town and tell him
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: it's woolerra and watch them say wolla.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: It's quite funny anyway.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Willara Council has voted not to put citizenship ceremonies back
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: on Australia Day because well, who knows, it's a liberal
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: council bind you. So you would have thought it would
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: be a reasonably easy thing to get up. But in fact,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: when Willara Council got rid of a citizenship ceremonies on
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Australia Day in twenty twenty three, it was moved by
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: a Liberal mayor. He said it was because they didn't
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: want to pay the staff, the overtime and the penalty
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: rates on Australia. I would sayte them's the brakes. But anyway,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: another Liberal councilor has put up the motion and said
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: let's bring it back.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: You know, we want to.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Talk about social cohesion. Surely we should be celebrating our
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: national day. But not good enough for the good Burghers
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: of Willara Council, including Green's councilor Matthew Robertson, who says
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: that those who voted for this, although sorry those who
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: voted for him would think that if he voted for this,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: it was absolutely a bored and disgusted to see this
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: motion on the agenda tonight. And for goodness sake, if
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you're a bored and disgusted about a discussion about whether
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: or not you have citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day, again,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: get a life. An independent counselor Harriet Price, she said
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that the council should be respectful of what the local
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Aboriginal Land councilor said. I think the true sign of
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: a real leader is not to be opening this debate
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: at this time.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: What does that even mean?
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I find it extremely offensive that we're talking about this
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: in light of the disunity and the social harmony that
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I do think is at stake at the moment.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, councilor Price, let me get.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: This clear, and you know the cogs are going over
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: in my head because I find this a bit hard
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to interpret.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Are you saying that because.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: You know we've had some social discord and there was
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: a massive terror attack a couple of months ago that
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: suggesting we should rally behind our national Day and we
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: should all come together as one nation is in fact bad.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: We shouldn't do that and.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: It's awful that a leader would would talk about such
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: things at this time when we want to put a
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: social harmony back.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Am I getting this right?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Well? I think she regards as well. I assume she
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: regards Australia Day as divisive. And that's the problem, right.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You see it as uniting, these people see it as divisive.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: What I found interesting about this is that they don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: want to have citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day or indeed
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: many other things on a stree early day because they
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to offend Indigenous people.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: They don't want to pay the penalty rates.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: James, You've got that true, nice nice story. Next they'll
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: be saying that people are difficult. In the twenty twenty
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: one census, out of fifty five thousand people who live
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in how do I pronounce it again, you Confinus Willara.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Out of fifty five thousand people, how many do you
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: reckon are Indigenous?
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I don't say point five percent.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy six out of fifty five thousand,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: zero point three percent according to twenty twenty one census.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So this council that say we can't possibly have a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: citizenship on Australia Day, because it's going to be so
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: divisive and offend all the indigenous people. It's less than
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: half a percent of the folk living in that particular district.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: And I think what is frankly far more offensive to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the residents of Willara is the freighting social cohesion in
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: our nation, which is happening because we have millions of
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: people migrating here who don't have any culture or growd
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: patriotism to integrate into. If you come to Australia as
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: a migrant and all you're told is that we have
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: to apologize for our existence. We're on stolen land. We're
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: constantly ashamed. We won't even celebrate our national Day. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: that's coming from our governments down. Why would you want
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: to join our nation? Why would you You would want
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: to come here and shall get the economic benefit, to
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: enjoy the social security, but you wouldn't want to You
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be proud to be an Australian. And even if
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: it is expensive and double the penalty rates for citizenships
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: ceromotors on Australia Day, it is the most significant day
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: on which to become a citizen.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So what this council have decided to do that have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: thrown a sop to Australia Day. They've said, we'll put
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: up some banners in the street, but we must consult
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: with Indigenous leaders before we put the banners up in
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the streets. And this is all part of their reconciliation plan.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Why does will our council with zero point three percent
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Indigenous population have a reconciliation plan?
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: The first, because it's just the thing you have to
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: do now. The other reason they came up with, apart
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: from the penalty rates, is that they didn't want people
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: who became citizens on.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: A day other than Australia Day to feel as.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Though they had been gypped right like the people who
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: become citizens on Australia Day or are the cut above
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: and if you get it on the King's Birthday or
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: something that, you're.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Not quite as good. So they wanted to be.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Extraction Wilara the egalitarian capital of Australia.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Other people who are winging and complaining a whole lot
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: are Harry and Meghan. But now they've set out on
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: a two day tour of Jordan over in the Middle East.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Now they're being slammed because this tour looks awfully like
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a royal tour, like the exact thing they said they
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: want to do step back from to have their privacy. Well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: this is hardly protecting your privacy. But also the timing
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: of this as to step out in the week after
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Prince Andrew has just been.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Waiting suggesting a link?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Am I suggesting that perhaps they wanted.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: To exploit the turmoil of the Royal family to raise
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: their own profile.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Harry and Megan? Would they ever do such a thing?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: When did you become so cynical? Look? I think the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: King and the Queen of California visiting Jordan is entirely
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: appropriate at this time. And I'm shocked that you think
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that Meghan and Harry have done more damage to the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Royal family than Andrew. Give these guys a break, they're
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: basically saints these days.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't say that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I did not say they've done more damage, but I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: did say they're exploiting the damage done by Andrew to
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: raise their own.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Propriate There's a fine line right between philanthropy and self promotion,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and I think, well, I guess there's always a mix, really,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: isn't there? Who can know their own hearts. But for
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Meghan and Harry, you suspect that there's a lot more
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: self promotion than there is year PHILANTHROPI.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: You know, it does give me a little bit of
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: solace that Harry is further up the line of succession
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: than Andrew. Is like he would make a better king
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: than Andrew. I think that could be said. But what
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: always gets me is that they left England and the
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: royal family because they wanted privacy, and they left, went
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: to California and then have spent all their time ever
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: since making sure that they have the least privacy possible
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: and then winging about the fact they don't have any privacy.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: You know, if I said I'm leaving television to go
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and live a private life where you know, no one
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: cares what I sees or do, and I don't have
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: to worry about my name popping up in another publication
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: because I got two pissed on a Saturday night, had
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: a fight at the pub or something.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Not saying I did that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: By the way, Daily mailgo your hardest, But like I
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: would just go somewhere where people didn't know who I was.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know, and I wouldn't.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Be going Oh yeah, I know, I said, I was
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: walking away but by the way, can I please come
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: back and do guest appearances on Sky a few times
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: a week as well.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: No, I'm saying I want to get away from it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: So they did all of that and then basically said, na,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: actually we want to be in the public light. We
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: just want to do it on our own MS. That's
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: all it's ever really been about.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: All right, before we get to a break, Caleb, we
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: need you to defend your countryman colleagues in South Australia
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: because the Norwood Council in essay have plunged local rate
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: payers and there's only about fifty five thousand people in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the district.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I like what you've done.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: There By, they have one hundred and six million dollars
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: in debt because of overruns on a swimming pool reno.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: The renot of the pool was meant to cost twenty
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: four million. It's blown out to sixty million dollars to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: pay for it. They put rates up by nine point
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: four percent last year, and an independent financial consultant says
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that rates will have to continue to go up about
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: four point three percent, which is well above inflation for
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: years to come. In fact, the Independent Financial report says
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: these decisions that is to do this sixty million do
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a reno on a pool reflect a departure from prudent
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: financial management, placing a growing burden on ratepayers who've not
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: been adequately consulted or given the opportunity to consent to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: these cost implications. And of course, in fairness to South Australia,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: this is not the first council to have blown the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: budget on a swimming pool. The North Sydney Council renovated
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a pool that was meant to cost fifty seven million
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: ended up costing one hundred and twenty two million, and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they proposed raising rates by between sixty five percent and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven percent to pay for the bill.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: What is with these local government councilors and they're propensity
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to blow budgets.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I've got an idea for North Sydney Council. Given
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: their pool was one hundred and twenty two and this
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: one was sixty, they should just relocate the Sydney Harbor
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Bridge over the top of the Norwood, paying them Saint
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Peter's Council and.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Then they'll get a pool for half the price and
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: they've still got the view. So that fixes all that up.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I'm so annoyed now with governments local, state and federal.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: They've just completely forgotten about the idea of living within
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: their means. I mean, federally trillion dollars of debt, we
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: hear barely a word about it. A local council blows
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the budget like this, Oh, we'll just put the rates
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: up by nine percent. I mean, who else got a
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: nine percent.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Pay rise last year?
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: You're asking ordinary people to stamp up the money for
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: your mistakes.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Now, you can forcibly do.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: It when you're the government or you're a council, But
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: where do we get that money from. They've just totally
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: lost sight of budget conservatism and repair.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're never the ones that have to pay.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: They get to make the decisions, they get to make
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: the mistakes, and then we get to pay the price.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: That is how government works, and that is why it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: such a scam. And rates will keep going up and
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: incompetence will continue because there's no accountability.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And when you say, who else got a nine point
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: four percent pay rise? Freyer and did you?
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Right, shows we're going to go to a break. When
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Including reports that the alleged Bondai terrorists tried to go
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to Afghanistan years before last year's attack. That's coming up
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and a lot more after the break. Well, welcome back
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to the program. Let's take a look at tomorrow's headline
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: so you always hear them here first and Freyer, The
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph has got an interesting report on the alleged
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Bondai terrorists.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Indeed, the headline is trail of terror Bondo shooter is
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: trying to travel to Afghanistan in years before attack. An
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: attempt by the alleged Bondai Beach terrorists to travel to
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Afghanistan in recent years has been uncovered by police investigating
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the December fourteenth attack. The Daily Telegraph can reveal Navid
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Akram twenty four and Sajd Akram fifty travel to Central
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Asia in recent years, but were turned away before they
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: could make their way into Afghanistan, one of the world's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: biggest terrorist hotspots. It is believed the pair made it
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: as far as Kyrgyzstan, which is separated from.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan by Tajikistan.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly what the Akrims were planning on their travels or
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: why they were turned away.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Is not known. Very interesting. I mean, that's a new development.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: We know they went to the Philippines, but to hear
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: they also attempted to go into Afghanistan, I just wonder.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the Afghanistan is controlled by the
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Taliban now, and perhaps we've heard about ISIS being resurgent
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East. Maybe that played into it somehow.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: But it'll be interesting to see really what comes out
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: of the investigation, because clearly they're uncovering more and more
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: every day about what motivated them.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't read too much into it. Some people holiday
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in Morocco and other people holiday in Kibble.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: It's just all these little crumbs that it feels like
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: if we'd picked up on them a little earlier, maybe
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: we wouldn't be in this position on the front of
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: the Australian Tomorrow gearing up if the cap fits who Boy.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Treasury is examining new rules that would limit Australians to
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: negatively gearing a maximum of just two investment properties as
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: the Albanesi government tries to bring the federal budget deficit
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: back under control. With Australia's housing affordability crisis worsening, Jim
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Charmers Department is now reviewing negative gearing limits, in addition
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: to considering changes to the capital gains tax discount for
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: existing properties, currently set at an unlimited number of existing
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: or new houses or apartments. Negative gearing allows people who
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: offset their investment property costs against their incomebents is estimated
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: by the Independent Parliamentary Budget Offers to be worth seven
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: point nine billion dollars in fore gone revenue for the
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: federal government in the twenty twenty seven financial year. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I'll tell anywhere else they could pick up about eight
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: billion dollars. That would be if they hadn't bugged up
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the tobacco market, because they've lost.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: More tax than that simply by doing that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: So the money they would get back for punishing largely
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: mum and dad home investors. You know your superannuation, you've
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: got three or four units or something. These are the
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: people who will hurt if you do.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Something like this.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And the fantasy land idea is that okay, so that
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the investors who can't afford to keep paying for a
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: property that is not negatively geared will of course have
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: to sell it, which theoretically means that the market gets
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: flooded and then the property prices go down and then
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: all of these first home buyers magically come into the market.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: But those first home buyers don't just magically get the
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: deposit to buy those properties. So who do you think
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: is actually going to buy those properties? Even wealthier investors
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: who can afford to pay in the short term to
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: get the long term capital gain. So what you'll do
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: is redistribute the wealth from mom and dad investors to
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: even wealthier people.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: What a great idea.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: And also rents will go up because part of what
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: keeps rens down is you can deduct the losses. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: if you know you think your mortgage has gone up
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: by tens of thousands of dollars, well, rents are going
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: to have to start going up to meet what people
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: are paying in extra mortgages because of higher interest rates.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Currently that's tax deductible.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: If you limit, if you limit negative gearing, it won't
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: be This is not going to increase the supply of housing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: It's not going to substantially reduce the cost of housing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: All this is is about raising taxes, That's what it's about.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Unforeseen consequences is not something that's ever troubled this government.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So I don't think we've got anything for.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Seene ones, sir on the front of the yours again.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: One Nation faces another audit over party finances. Pauline Hanson
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: has refused to reveal the source of her two hundred
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: and forty five thousand dollars personal loan to her political party,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: as the Australian Electoral Commission prepares to put One Nation
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: under fresh scrutiny for its late electoral election sorry declarations.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: The Australian can reveal the AEC will review One Nation's
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: finances for last year's federal election as part of a
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: broader compliance ordered in coming months, after Senator Hanson's party
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: was forced to repay nearly a quarter of a million
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: dollars and a taxpayer funding due to errors and unsubstantiated
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and deficient claims for the twenty twenty two and twenty
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: nineteen federal polls. And I mean, you know, these are
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: the problems you run into when you're a small party
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: that has to deal with all the same stuff as
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: everyone else.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: This is what we've been talking about.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: You know, how do you take a small party and
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: make it work when you're doing twenty four to thirty
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: percent in the polls as a genuine thing up against
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: a liberal party or a labor party who has people
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: coming out of the wazoo to deal with all this kid.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, although accounting doesn't seem to be a one nation
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: strong suit. Mark Latham quit one nation in New South
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Wales because he claimed they were defrauding taxpayer funds and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: sending them to the head office in Brisbane.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're something here, although it is worth noting that
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: they investigate and audit basically every party, so we'll see
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: if anything comes from the AEC.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Can look into the teals. I think they should.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: They're not a party.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly, that's why they should be looked into. The Northern
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Territory News has an interesting front page. Let me read
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the front page. Then we'll show you some vision that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we've got hold of. Shots fired as man allegedly targets
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: police in rampage to Northern Territory Police officers lucky to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: escape without major injury after a man allegedly targeted them
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and rammed into their stationary vehicle at speed in Alla Springs.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Extraordinary CCTV footage shows one of the officers firing three
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: shots into the oncoming vehicle moments before it slams into
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the police car. Here's what happened. It hit hard, did
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it not. I think we've got that on a loop
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: so we can show that to you again. But that car,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the police car, was hit from behind at an incredible speed.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You can see the damage done. Have look at it again,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: smack the paper reports. It's lucky they weren't injured. It's
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: lucky no one was killed. I know, I know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: And the cop is firing at the car as well,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: which clearly did not deter them. And I think we're
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: going to keep in mind sometimes that this is the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: sort of stuff that police sometimes have to put up with.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you probably go to work most
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: days as a copper and think you're not going to
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: have to deal with anything that terrible. And I don't
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: know where I really go from there, because it's like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: what is there as a cop that is not terrible
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: to deal with? Really, Like you can't really do a
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: scale of oh well, I went to three DV things today.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I suppose it does become a bit blase
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: after a while because you see so much of it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: but you probably don't expect that you're going to be
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: sitting in a car and have someone ram up your backside,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: or that you're going to have to pull out your
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: gun and fire three shots because some guy is trying
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: to run into your colleagues.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, what an awful position to be in.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely terrifying.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: In the Gold Coast bulletin Tomorrow, Wave of Concern Council
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: steps up preparations for tsunami night city leaders are calling
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: in experts to plan for the NAMA scenario of a tsunami.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Reaching Gold Coast shores.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Councils recruited specialist consultants to examine what would happen if
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: a one in two thousand, five hundred year wave smashed
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: into the coastal suburbs. It comes after the Gold Coast
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Local Disaster Coordination Center staged a three day exercise in
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: September last year where staff warm gained their response to
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: a tsunami. Look, I hate to say this, but if
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you happen to live through a one in two thousand,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: five hundred years tsunami, that's just unlucky.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: That is just bad live. Why do you have to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: evacuate the Gold Coast anyway? They're all in high risis.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: True, Well, yeah, I don't know.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: They fall over. I'm not really not a Nashmore or bundle.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Low Trump's new town.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I thought that will be indeed, And.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: If you're worried about the tsunami on the Gold Coast,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: maybe you want to move to Victor Harbor in South Australia.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Except they don't want you, it says on the front
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: of the advertise tomorrow.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: God's waiting Room full. No more Boomers were full is
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: the lead.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: That's Victor Harbor Council's message to aging baby boomers as
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the town tries to extricate itself from Peter Malanowskis's plan
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: to abolish stamp duty for downsizes over sixty. The council
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: says the premier's policy would undercut an urgent mission to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: lower the town's average age. And yes, Victor Harbor, which
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: is a lovely seaside town on the Flurio Peninsula a
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: bit over ninety minutes from Adelaide, is known in say
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: as God's Waiting Room because it's basically one big retirement village.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Clearly the council wants to get it a bit more
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: hip and happening down there, but they're worried that abolishing
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: the stamp duty means I'll get even more retirees.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: What a terrible position to be in there. You go,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: all right, we're going to go to a break. But
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: when we come back, if you think your suburb has
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: problems with potholes, will show you a sinkhole that swallowed
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: vehicle's hole that's coming up after the break. Welcome back
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to the program, Caleb. Many potholes where you live?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there are actually Masteret's bloody full of them, unfortunately.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: And I'm a bit worried now because if there has
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: to be a dodgy.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Water maine underneath that bursts, maybe I'm just going to disappear.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Because this is what happened in Omaha, Nebraska. They had
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: a dodgy water maine that burst, which opened up a
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: sinkhole just taking you know, you're just going about your business,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: sitting there at the traffic lights. Bang you go underneath. Now,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: thankfully no one was injured, they were fine. I think
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: the bloke in the suv got himself out first and
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: then helped the other bloke out of the car, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: the police said, you know, all was well. Apparently the
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: people who are responsible for the water mains have not
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: seen anything about it yet.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Which is rather unusual. But I used to have this
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: recurring dream as.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: A kid that I was sitting in the back of
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a car and a sinkhole would open up and swallow
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: the car. And I'm a bit worried now that I've
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: seen this vision that maybe will actually happen.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: What what happens when that's me?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: You need to stop eating pizza late at night before.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's the pizza that's doing it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: It might be the kopious amounts of red wine or something. Well,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: let's mean to knock me out so I don't have
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the dreams. But still I'm actually worried it's going to
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: be my turn next.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: That would be genuinely terrifying.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But speaking of eating things, Team USA had an incredible
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: win at the Winter Olympics. They won the gold medal
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: in men's ice hockey, beating Canada for the first time
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: in decades. They were welcomed at the White House by
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He gave them a shout out in his
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: State of the Union address, and he gave them a
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: presidential banquet afterwards. Of McDonald's, I guess that's kind of
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: what you would want if you've if you're a professional athlete,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: you've been training, you've been dieting, you've been watching what
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: you eat. Getting served McDonald's by President Donald Trump it's
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: pretty unforgettable.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It's not the first time he's done this either, He's
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: previously ordered in mc macusburger is for people.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm an American exactly.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's you know, the problem with macas is you crave
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: it until about three seconds after you've consumed it, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: then you think, why, I'm never doing that again until
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: next time. Strange phenomena happening in the UK at the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: moment where instead of taking rubbish to the tip, people
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: are simply finding a quiet street somewhere, dumping it and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: making it someone else's problem. Check out this vision. A
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: guy's at home when he notices a noise out the front.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He runs outside and here's what he finds. Can you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: guys believe that apparently is too expensive to dump it
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: at the tip, so they dump it in the street
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: and counsel or collect it at their leisure.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, so people do illegal dumping, but normally they do
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: it in like parks and reserves, Like they didn't just.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Turn up in the middle of the day in the
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: street and I just back the track up and drop it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I mean that track should have been in the sinkhole,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: because then he could have done two jobs.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Who was driving that, Who has the audacity to do that?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Move the number plates so they could be tracked. All right,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that's it from us stick Around. Coming up in a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: moment is the reader Pennehy show, good Night,