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Underground Military Bases, Remote Viewing, Gate Program, Psychic Spies, ILP Stranger Things Program · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish
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  Speaker 1: if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. Yet,
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  Speaker 1: I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. My guest
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  Speaker 2: today is a researcher, producer, documentarian, and podcaster. His latest film,
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  Speaker 2: Psychic Agent, The Gate Program, is available now on Amazon Prime.
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  Speaker 2: Please go check it out. It's a great documentary, and
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  Speaker 2: it's always a great conversation with this guest. Happy to
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  Speaker 2: have him back. I'd like to welcome Ryder Lee to
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  Speaker 2: the show. Ryder, how are you today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Tim. Thanks so much for having me
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  Speaker 3: on brother. Really appreciate it. And I'm really looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to diving into this topic with you because you've watched
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  Speaker 3: the movie praises already. And I'm looking forward to any
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  Speaker 3: questions that you might have because it's a really big topic.
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  Speaker 3: The documentary covers so much history of not only the
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  Speaker 3: psychic spy remote viewing unit ran by army intelligence and DIA,
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  Speaker 3: but it also covers the Monroe Institute and gateway experience
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  Speaker 3: and the gifted and talented education gate programs there toward
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  Speaker 3: the end so it's a it's a lot to take
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  Speaker 3: on If you're going to watch it, I hope that you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have carved out the amount of time of
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  Speaker 3: your day that it's going to take to fully sit
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  Speaker 3: down and pay attention and watch the movie. And it
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it depends too on like, what brand of
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  Speaker 2: coffee but I think I've watched it now twice for
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  Speaker 2: less than a cup of coffee because I've read it
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  Speaker 2: two times in a row.
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  Speaker 3: Dude McDonald's McDonald's large cup of coffee is like $ 3. 99
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  Speaker 5: 99.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going on here, dude? Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: a dollar more than what it is to rent this
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  Speaker 3: movie and get a really good understanding of exactly what's
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  Speaker 3: going on. Because this is really the first time that
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  Speaker 3: a detailed history has been given about the psychic spy
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  Speaker 3: remote viewing unit by DIA Army Intelligence. You know, there's
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  Speaker 3: always been some you know, uh, discrepancies between even the
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  Speaker 3: participants of the unit, uh, when things happen, the dates
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  Speaker 3: and the name changes and all that. But I sourced
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  Speaker 3: everything directly from CIA declassified documents and, uh, created my
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  Speaker 3: timeline that I share in the movie. And, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so the first documentary that's ever done that, this gave
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  Speaker 3: a cohesive, coherent, timeline of the DIA's Army Intelligence Remote
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  Speaker 3: Viewing Unit, which started in 1978 and ended in 1995.
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  Speaker 2: I love the timeline that you presented there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it is historic. I kind of got the feeling
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  Speaker 2: as I was watching a documentary. I think it maybe
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  Speaker 2: hit me the second time through. And I would encourage people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, watch it twice because it's packed with information.
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  Speaker 2: Things jumped out at me the second time. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it was that second time around where I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing he's kind of doing something historical here with
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  Speaker 2: the subject right now. It's one thing to go and
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  Speaker 2: watch these individual remote viewers do guest Boston podcasts and
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  Speaker 2: hear their, you know, their side of the story, their angle,
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  Speaker 2: their experience. This is all encompassing. It's a it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's like a historical overview of the topic. And it
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  Speaker 2: includes this nice timeline where you get to go from
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  Speaker 2: A to B, C to D and beyond. I picked
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  Speaker 2: up on that. I like that. And I was going
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  Speaker 2: to start. I thought about starting the interview with talking
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  Speaker 2: about the GATE program, but should we wait because that
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  Speaker 2: was later in the film? Should we start with the beginning?
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  Speaker 3: No, we can start with gate. Uh, gate program stuff
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  Speaker 3: is also really important. I just thought that it was
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  Speaker 3: important because some people can get confused on, uh, the
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  Speaker 3: three different types of programs that we, cause they all
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  Speaker 3: have gate in them. You know what I mean? The
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  Speaker 3: star gate. right remote viewing unit at fort mead maryland
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  Speaker 3: uh which was renamed it took on several different names
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  Speaker 3: uh throughout the inception of it since 1978 grill flame
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  Speaker 3: center lane um uh sunstreak and then it ended on
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  Speaker 3: stargate with dell graph creating the term uh stargate in
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  Speaker 3: the early 90s and dell graph is actually in the
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  Speaker 3: movie so It's just important for because if someone sits
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  Speaker 3: down and it's really late, maybe they've, you know, smoked
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  Speaker 3: some some herb and, you know, they don't. And then
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  Speaker 3: everything just kind of becomes like a blur. And then
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  Speaker 3: they think that DIA Army intelligence was experimenting on children
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  Speaker 3: in public school, which is not true. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? So it's just important to differentiate the different
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  Speaker 3: programs there. And I've had a few people, you know,
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  Speaker 3: get confused on that level. And I have just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: tried to, you know, correct them. And it's just, there's
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  Speaker 3: nothing really that you can do about that. That's been
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  Speaker 3: happening for decades now. You know, people have gotten confused
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  Speaker 3: and thought that they were in, you the Stargate remote
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  Speaker 3: viewing unit at Fort Meade when they were really at
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  Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute of gateway experience, which thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 3: of people, you can still go to the Monroe Institute
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  Speaker 3: gateway experience and have, and go through their program. You
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  Speaker 3: can still do that, but people have been confused about
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  Speaker 3: that for decades and thinking that they're because they both
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  Speaker 3: have gate in them. So then whenever you bring in
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  Speaker 3: the gifted and talented, the easiest way to differentiate them
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  Speaker 3: is not to call the, gate public school programs, gate
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  Speaker 3: public school programs, just call them gifted and talented education
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  Speaker 3: because that's what it is. And it's easier to differentiate the, uh,
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  Speaker 3: different programs. So we're throwing gifted and talented education in there.
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  Speaker 3: It adds another layer of confusion, even though the gifted
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  Speaker 3: and talented education was, uh, and, uh, currently still is
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  Speaker 3: because it's still going on there's still gifted and talented
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  Speaker 3: education programs still going on.
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  Speaker 2: Well let's let's start there because people are coming out
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  Speaker 2: all over the internet with stories about being involved in
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  Speaker 2: these strange programs and you have a line in this
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  Speaker 2: film and it's jumped out at me it's one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite parts and you say uh you are not
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  Speaker 2: crazy the government really was doing psychic testing on children
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  Speaker 2: and i'm going to prove it and i was like
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  Speaker 2: bam let's go We need this. We need proof. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of skeptics out there still. There's still a
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  Speaker 2: Reddit forum called– well, it's under rskeptics, and they're talking
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  Speaker 2: trash about Third Eye Spies, another documentary, another topic from
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  Speaker 2: another time. But you could see the mentality towards this
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  Speaker 2: subject on that forum, right? So there's still skeptics out
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  Speaker 2: there on this, and so we need a documentary like
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  Speaker 2: yours to sort of be like, wait, hold on. People–
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  Speaker 2: this was a real thing. So let's talk about that,
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  Speaker 2: what you found and get into that proof, you know, and,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll, we'll get into these distinctions as we go.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I've told this, I think I told you this
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  Speaker 2: story before real quick. I have a memory of being
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  Speaker 2: pulled aside in school and I remember like a Rorschach
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  Speaker 2: test and they had the flashcards. I think you talked
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  Speaker 2: about them about that. Like they had cards and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted me to kind of see if I could
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  Speaker 2: tell them what was on the other side of the card,
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  Speaker 2: which is quote unquote impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But they're out there trying to flag people for some
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  Speaker 2: sort of a government program for psychics. So it wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense that they would want to test my maybe
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  Speaker 2: psychic ability. I think this is huge. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a massive program. I think people in the comments
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  Speaker 2: on my show tell me all the time that they
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  Speaker 2: have memories of being pulled aside or being a part
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  Speaker 2: of some sort of a program. So it's very real.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely it is. And yeah, where a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this started was looking through the MKUltra files and the documents.
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  Speaker 3: And it's exactly, that was my goal. That was my
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  Speaker 3: real goal was to prove exactly what was going on
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  Speaker 3: in these gifted and talented education public school programs. That
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  Speaker 3: was what I needed to do. And that's where I
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  Speaker 3: struggled the hardest with making this movie and doing all
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  Speaker 3: the research. is finding proof and evidence that what they
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  Speaker 3: were doing, at least a part of what they were
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  Speaker 3: doing in these gifted and talented education programs, which started
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  Speaker 3: back in the 60s, And some may believe that it
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  Speaker 3: was going on even before then, as we mentioned at
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  Speaker 3: the second half end of the documentary, that we believe
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  Speaker 3: that some of the first programs were actual military ran
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  Speaker 3: programs on military bases.
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  Speaker 2: Like in the 40s, maybe isn't that's what Bosley was
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  Speaker 2: talking about, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and how the, that it may be this Indian
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  Speaker 3: Lake project was probably on children back in the forties.
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  Speaker 3: So I was just pictures of that online of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: children behind bars, children with headphones on. I found it
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  Speaker 3: really children playing with blocks and spoons or spoons on
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  Speaker 3: the table. And we know that the government did a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of experimentations on spoon bending at SRI in the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: So should we get into that for a second? indian
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  Speaker 2: lake that was wild or should we wait circle back.
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  Speaker 6: Let's circle back to india there's a lot of uh
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  Speaker 6: things that need to be uh discussed here so the
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  Speaker 6: mk ultra sub projects is really what got me down
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  Speaker 6: looking into a lot of this stuff in the very
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  Speaker 6: beginning i'd been working on this documentary for you know
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  Speaker 6: collecting information and Documents and B-roll footage and interviews and.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff for a really long time, like four years now.
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  Speaker 3: And how I got into that was reading through the
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  Speaker 3: MKUltra documents and realizing that several of the subprojects. were
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  Speaker 3: tailored directly toward discovering and unlocking and the study of
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  Speaker 3: psychic abilities and ESP. MKUltra Subproject 83 talks about that,
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  Speaker 3: how they were studying psychic abilities on the subjects. And
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  Speaker 3: Subproject 136 talks about psychic testing as well, and specifically
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  Speaker 3: psychic testing on children. MKUltra Subproject 102 talks was a
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  Speaker 3: summer camp project where the CIA was collecting data on
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  Speaker 3: 462 children. So this kind of carried over, and I
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  Speaker 3: remembered that the government had a psychic spy remote viewing unit.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, are these two things connected? Is
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  Speaker 3: the MKUltra program connected? connected with the DIA's remote viewing
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  Speaker 3: psychic spy program. So then I started reaching out to
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  Speaker 3: the people that were verifiably in the DIA Army Intelligence
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  Speaker 3: psychic spy unit, like the people that are in the movie,
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  Speaker 3: Lynn Buchanan, verified in the unit. Angela Ford, verified in
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  Speaker 3: the unit. Del Graff, the director and operations manager and
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  Speaker 3: the person that created it.
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  Speaker 5: The word Stargate.
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  Speaker 3: For the the code word Stargate for the remote viewing
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  Speaker 3: unit so that's how it really began and then it
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  Speaker 3: evolved and then turned into you know more of the
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  Speaker 3: the psychic testing on children and what they were really
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  Speaker 3: doing and I was kind of struggling with that so
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  Speaker 3: it took me a while and reading through a lot
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  Speaker 3: of documents and a lot of research and it was
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  Speaker 3: going in so many directions I mean the the research
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  Speaker 3: and the information was just pretty much information overload. Like
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  Speaker 3: I was just getting so much all at the same
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  Speaker 3: time and reading so much that it was almost getting
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  Speaker 3: to the point where it was overwhelming. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I got what I need. I just need
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  Speaker 3: to make the movie. So if I, because if I
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  Speaker 3: don't do it now, then I'm never going to, it's
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  Speaker 3: never going to get done because I'm just going to
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  Speaker 3: be in this research phase for ever. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like the, the, The information has a basement and then
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  Speaker 3: that basement has a trap door. And then that trap
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  Speaker 3: door has a whole other world. It's got an inner
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  Speaker 3: earth inside of the trap door. It's like we're in
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  Speaker 3: Antarctica right now.
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  Speaker 5: And we're in the inner earth world.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to stop it. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I got what I need. I have the documentation that
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  Speaker 3: proves that, you know, at least an aspect of, what's
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  Speaker 3: going on because the gifted and talented education, it's not
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  Speaker 3: just one thing.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: And that's really going to not make a lot of
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  Speaker 3: sense to some people, Tim, because they want things to be,
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  Speaker 3: they want that verifiable enemy. They want it to be
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  Speaker 3: one organization. They want it to be one individual. They
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  Speaker 3: want it to be that lone shooter. They want it
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  Speaker 3: to be this one group of people that, But that's
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  Speaker 3: not how military and three-letter organization operations go. Divisions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's compartmentalized. There's many different things that are moving parts
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  Speaker 3: to the operation and they cover their tracks.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's the whole point of doing an operation is that
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  Speaker 3: you can't figure out who was involved with the operation.
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  Speaker 3: And if you can, then that means that they didn't
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  Speaker 3: do a good job. at pulling off the operation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And those can be just used as excuses as to
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  Speaker 3: what was really going on. Any of the loose ends
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  Speaker 3: that weren't, uh, you know, tidied up, they can just
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  Speaker 3: be used as a coincidence or, Oh, that, that really
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  Speaker 3: wasn't happening because everybody was involved with that. Or, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? They can just be used as a, the,
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  Speaker 3: the loose ends can be used as like a, a
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  Speaker 3: cover story for covering up the real thing. It's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like with the gifted and talented education stuff, like
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  Speaker 3: people will claim, like the skeptics will claim that everybody
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  Speaker 3: went through these types of things in public school, right?
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  Speaker 3: They'll claim that it was the health department or the
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  Speaker 3: president's physical fitness test. that these people were involved with
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  Speaker 3: and it wasn't anything special and that these people weren't
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  Speaker 3: actually picked out of a classroom and taken to a, um,
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  Speaker 3: a different part of the school or anything like that. They'll,
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  Speaker 3: they'll say, I remember this, but I was just, that
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  Speaker 3: was just the health department coming and giving us fluoride
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  Speaker 3: to brush our teeth and show us how to wash
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  Speaker 3: our hands. Watch that is a perfect cover. for the
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  Speaker 3: real thing. So if you make everybody that was at
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  Speaker 3: the school involved in something that happens once a year,
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  Speaker 3: then the people that weren't involved in the real thing
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  Speaker 3: will cover it up on their own by saying that
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  Speaker 3: everybody was involved. I know that that's a very confusing
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  Speaker 3: and roundabout way to explain this, but I get it.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: And there's, I think there's levels to the skepticism too,
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  Speaker 2: because I was seeing people online, like I was referring
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  Speaker 2: to before, There's been a couple documentaries made about this,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to promote writers because I think he's
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  Speaker 2: done a better job laying all this out. But there's
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  Speaker 2: trash talk towards one of the other documentaries that I
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  Speaker 2: think has legit information in it. But there are these skeptics,
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  Speaker 2: and they're saying that it's not legit. The remote viewing
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  Speaker 2: programs never happened. None of that really happened. And they're
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  Speaker 2: saying they're even admitting to not even watching the documentary.
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  Speaker 2: But they're saying we were able to debunk it without
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  Speaker 2: watching it. That's my point in bringing this up is
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  Speaker 2: it's a mentality that people have. It's like I think
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  Speaker 2: it's nonsense. Therefore, it must be nonsense because they're just
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  Speaker 2: they've been programmed to think that way. They've been programmed
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  Speaker 2: to believe that this type of thing can't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that there's that skepticism, too. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: the sign up of people like what you're talking about. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was a part of one of these programs, but
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  Speaker 2: it was nothing like that. So, oh, it must have
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  Speaker 2: just been, this must be a big misunderstanding, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And the funny thing about those people
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  Speaker 3: that debunk, you know, remote viewing and all that and
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  Speaker 3: say that it never happened. Also, toe the line on
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  Speaker 3: every single freaking fed narrative that has ever existed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing, Tim, that they all believe everything that
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  Speaker 3: the federal government has ever said about anything.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like they've never had a skeptical bone in their body.
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  Speaker 3: Like they've never thought any deeper than what has been
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  Speaker 3: fed to them. Like they all believe the official JFK
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  Speaker 3: assassination theory. They all believe the official 9-11 story. They
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  Speaker 3: all believe the official COVID story. They all believe the
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  Speaker 3: official Charlie Kirk narrative story.
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  Speaker 2: That's that whole forum, Reddit Skeptics. If you want to
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  Speaker 2: see that type of person put in a bottle and
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  Speaker 2: put it behind glass like in a museum so you
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  Speaker 2: can just go observe them, go look at our skeptics
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  Speaker 2: because that's the exact type of person that gets on
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  Speaker 2: there and says, like, oh, I can debunk this book
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  Speaker 2: without reading it. I could debunk this film without watching it. What?
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? And it's like that's why
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  Speaker 2: I like your documentary, because you literally show in the
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  Speaker 2: beginning a quote from the D.I.A. saying remote viewing is real.
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  Speaker 2: The D.I.A. So you guys who trust your government. The
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  Speaker 2: government's telling you it's real. It's time to like wake
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  Speaker 2: up here, guys. Time to wake up. This was a
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  Speaker 2: real thing. Don't be skeptical just because you don't think
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  Speaker 2: that this type of thing can happen.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: And not only did the government believe in it and
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  Speaker 3: knew that it worked, they had the program run for
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  Speaker 3: since 78 until 95. So why would they put so
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  Speaker 3: much money into something that didn't work? They never. And
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  Speaker 3: that's the thing. That's the whole contention. The whole thing
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  Speaker 3: about this psychic spy unit was that made people be like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing to this. This was a waste of time
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  Speaker 3: and a waste of money. was whenever the CIA was
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: supposed to get their hands on the program, it was
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: supposed to be transferred to the CIA in 95. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the CIA was supposed to pick up where the DIA
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: left off. It was supposed to become a CIA.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Program.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And Angela Ford in the documentary psychic agent, the gay
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: program said that all the document files was sitting over
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: at Langley and they had not been open. They did
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: not study or look at any of the evidence that
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: had been collected since 78 and by the DIA and
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Army intelligence that proves that remote viewing works, the CIA
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: never opened the boxes to do the proper study to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: find out if the program worked. And all the while,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: CIA knew that remote viewing was real. They had been
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: funding it at SRI since the early 70s with how
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: put off in Russell Targ. They knew that it worked.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew. Yeah, and they kept changing. This is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: something else I picked up on. They kept changing the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: name of these programs. They kept moving things around. So
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the trail is hard to sort of follow, I imagine,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: if you're a researcher. And you tell me how close
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: this is to the beginning of the story here, but
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you had Lynn Buchanan on, Agent 018. He kind of
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: gives the backstory to the program, and I thought it
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was a cool story. sort of addition to the timeline.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting when he said, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: in the 60s, us, the Americans, were losing our intelligence
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: information like pouring water through a soup. Like the U.S.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is like, how does Russia know all of our secrets
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: at this alarming rate? And then Buchanan goes on to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: explain about this Kofsky guy, Igor Kofsky, and his Russian spy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And he's like, hey, the Russians, guys, the Russians are
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: using remote viewings. And it's like, oh, it's like people
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in the government woke up at this point, like, OK,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: we needed this yesterday sort of a thing. Is that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: part of the origin story or is that just where's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that at on the timeline that Lynn was talking about there?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be in the 60s. And the important
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: part here is to realize that Russia actually got a
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: lot of the Nazi scientists and engineers after World War II.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: They got more than the United States did, right? They
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: put them all on a train and brought them into
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Russia after the war. In the Russian version of Project Paperclip, 6,000
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: former Nazi scientists and their engineers and their families entered
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: into Russia after World War II. And it's been reported
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: that Russia got a lot of the first round picks
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: of the draft of Nazi scientists and engineers, and then
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the U.S. came in and got the left.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Russia got the Berlin first, so they were able to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: snatch up a lot of them right there on the ground.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And that's been the contention that we've been in since
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: after World War II with Russia. It's been our Nazi...
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: scientists and engineers versus Russia's Nazi scientists and engineers. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: who's going to develop all this stuff first? Who's going
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to get us in the space first? Russia beat us
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: in the space. We can't let that happen. We need
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to get into gifted and talented education to find the
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: smartest individuals that can become our astronauts and our inventors
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and our scientists and our engineers. We need to get
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: into the public. We can use the kids of military
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: people to get to the proven people. And we can
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: use their kids to fund these types of programs and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: find out what they're doing. And then then we'll just
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: expand that to then look at everybody's kids. That's the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: way that it went.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Great point. In my opinion, this is the true story
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: behind the Cold War. Our Nazis, American Nazis versus Russian Nazis.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And it's just this constant competition. I think that's the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: real machine that's turning behind the Cold War. So you've
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: got Len Buchanan. He's talking about an aspect of this.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And this is the part I left out. And this
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: is in the 60s.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And U.S.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Government's like, okay, we got to get on this program.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Like maybe they had the program already running, but at
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this point, I think they were like, we need to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: step it up a few notches, right? So the story
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: goes at this point that our government then reaches out
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to SRI, Russell Targ, Hal Puthoff, and have them start
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: doing experiments in remote viewing. And that seems to be
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: one of the origin stories for how this really kicked off, uh,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Targon and put off Enlist Pat Price and the program.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He's like one of the best, uh, he remote views
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: one of our own top underground military bases kind of
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: by accident. Like they put, they're like testing him, putting
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: him to task and he accidentally finds one of our
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: own bases. And he's like, oh, yeah, I was in
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: there with my mind. There's Project Pool. There's all these
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: government projects. He's listing off the names of three generals
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: on paperwork in there or what have you, and it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: like those are really three generals. Everybody's looking at this
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: case like, oh, there's really something. He was like an
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: ace in the hole for the remote view program.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what's going on, and he–
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and that's the– The really strange thing about Pat Price
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: was that he died in 1975. He was found in
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: a hotel room. And we talk about it in the documentary.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of really strange and weird stuff. But
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: what's not really said, I mean, it's said in the movie,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: but you kind of got to put it two and
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: two together on your own. And the big reason why
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Dale Graff is there and what he talks about is
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: that Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ come to Wright-Patterson Air
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, to try and get funding
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: for SRI because the CIA had dropped funding. He literally
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: says that in the movie. And that was in 1975.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: That was the same year that Pat Price died. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the CIA had been funding SRI up until this very point,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and toward the end of Pat Price's life, The CIA
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: started working with Pat Price directly. And we saw all
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the quotes from the head of the CIA at that
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: time saying that we found a man that newspaper articles, newspaper,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: real newspaper clippings. That we found a man that could
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: see anything in the world. All we got to do
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: is show him a picture and he can see whatever
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: is going on there at that time. But unexplicably, this
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: person died and we haven't heard from him since, right?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: That whole thing is all 100% real. And it's just
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: a coincidence that after he died, CIA had been funding
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: SRI up until that point. They stopped funding SRI. They
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: had been working with Pat Price directly because before it
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: had been the CIA was like the intermediate, like Russell
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Targ and Hal Puthoff was the intermediary between Pat Price
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: and the CIA and any other intelligence organization.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: But they had kind of separated Pat Price from SRI
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and started working with him on his own. So the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: weird and strange thing about it was, is that he
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: had called his family the night before he died and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: gave them really weird and cryptic, you know, goodbyes. Like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you know, I really love you. I just want to
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: let you know that I really, you know, like strange
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and weird things to his family members. His wife wasn't
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: informed of his death until he had already been cremated.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: When he had died, it was reported that two men
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: in suits showed up with black briefcases to the hotel room. Okay,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: so they took out a large life insurance policy just
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: before his death. So the Pat Price thing really reeks
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: of a.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: A fake death.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I was going to miss that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I was going to Yuri.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I remember Yuri Geller confirms that right in the documentary
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: third eye.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Spies, whenever Russell Targ.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Is going to Yuri Geller and asking him about Pat price.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Cause he wants to figure out more information about Pat price.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yuri Geller literally tells him that it was a fake death,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: but it just goes over Russell Targ's head and, And
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: that part had always stuck out to me when I
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: watched that for the first time back in 2019.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Me too, because he said it in a way where
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you're like, wait, what's he really saying here? I'm trying
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to remember how he worded it. He's like, something about
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: these programs don't ever go black or something like that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: They get moved. I don't remember how he worded it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: He essentially says that they don't ever take out a
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: goose that lays golden eggs. They entice them with new things,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: with money and new houses and stuff like that. They
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: never kill them.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I was like, dang. And then it just
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: goes directly over Russell Tarkside because he's not thinking that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: But.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I 100% believe that. And all the circumstances that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So he didn't die. He probably just went black.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He went into a program.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Okay. He couldn't, he couldn't do that with the people
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: still thinking that he was alive, you know, because this.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: is a really big threat to a lot of different
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: countries at that point right so there would always be
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a target on him if he was still alive and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: if people thought that he was still alive so they
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: literally just grabbed him took him into a block budget deep,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: probably in some deep underground facility. And what we know
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: about deep underground facilities, you know, Bob Lazar, if you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: believe Bob Lazar stories, some people believe him. Some people don't.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I definitely think that he was shown something. Now, whether
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: that was everything that he says that it was, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: don't know, but he definitely was shown something. And, probably
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: worked at some government facility for sure. He has been
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: on record saying that there were people that worked in
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: those at area 51 that never left, but stayed there
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: until they died.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Like, like lived there or something.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's, There's been other stories that I've heard
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: similar to this. I mean, let's face it, the underground
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: bases are real. I mean, you know, Sugar Grove is
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: covered in your documentary. That turned out to be a
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: real underground military base in West Virginia, probably with tunnels
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: that go to Washington, D.C. That's my speculation. But we've
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: talked about that on the show before, too, that probably
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: on the East Coast, we have all these underground military
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: bases that are connected to D.C. through an underground tunnel network.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: But beyond that, there's all these other stories that pile
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: up if you look into the subject. And all these
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: stories emerge, and they're like, oh, they've got a barber
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: down there. They've got a coffee shop down there. They've
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: got sort of a cook, somebody who provides food. All
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the amenities are down there for people to be able
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to go down there and stay for long periods of
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: time on some of these bases. Yeah, I definitely think
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that's a thing.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Hey, there's a guy, I don't know how much truth
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: there is to it, but there definitely is tunnels under LA.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And there's this whistleblower guy that says that he worked
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: at a Starbucks for super famous people and politicians under
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the tunnels in LA. Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, even the tunnels might have like little like drive-thrus.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Who knows how crazy it is.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: That's what he said. He said essentially they would be
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on this train, this underground train, and then the people
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: would show up and they would just come to the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: window and they would already know who was showing up
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: before they even got there. So they would already have
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: their order ready and they would just set it on
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the window outside and the famous person or the famous
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: politician or whatever would come through and pick up their order.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So you've got one of the best remote viewers in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the world who possibly... Went black, didn't die, faked his
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: own death, all that. That means, let's just say that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that is true. That means that this is a serious business.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: They've been at this since maybe the 40s. And they're still,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we know, like, if the program works, they're still doing
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: it to this day. This is serious business. And I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: want to ask you, you know, Len Buchanan, great, great guest.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: He's reason alone to go watch this documentary. Great interview
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: with him, by the way, in this film. He also
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: mentioned something from these Igor Kofsky papers that they were
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: taking very seriously, and that's something called hypnosis at a distance.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: You know, hypnosis for people listening being enhanced capacity to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: sort of respond to suggestion. Hypnosis at a distance, people
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: being able to do this. What do you think, what
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: did that entail? What did you find out about that?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: That it was very real that Russia had been working
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: on this. I didn't show all the documents in the movie,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: but there are several documents that says that Russia had
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: been doing this very successfully. that they had been doing there,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: that Lynn Buchanan referred to as Adonai hypnos, which means
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: hypnosis at a distance, as you were saying. So he
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: calls it remote influence or remote control, but that's what
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Russia called it, was Adonai hypnos. And I 100% believe
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: that it can be done. Lynn believes that it can
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: be done. All of the people that I talked to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: in the documentary believed that it can be done. Angela
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Ford believes it can be done. She related that to,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: in the movie, she related it to like, you know, hypnosis,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: hypnotist on stage, which I just saw. I hit my
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: test not too long ago and I thought that it
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: was really interesting. I do believe that it can be
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: done 100 percent. You can influence people psychically now. I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: glad that you brought that up because not a lot
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: of people so far has even touched on that at all.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And I thought that that was actually really important part
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: of the movie because the implications of that are really astounding.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And what does that actually mean? And did the unit
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: close down and The Stargate remote viewing unit closed down
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and did they open up this new unit that was
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: remote influencing? And it was so buried so deep in
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: such a blank budget program. But no one is ever
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: going to find out about it. And it might have
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: evolved past that by now. You might not even have
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: to have a remote influencer. Like for something really specific,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: you would want to have them. But just the same as,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you know, using children from military families in your experiments.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: because they're not going to come out and talk about it,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: you would not necessarily want to use people to remote
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: influence others to carry out an agenda because then they
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: could talk about it. They could blow the whistle on that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: So you would want to evolve past the use of
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: humans and you would want to turn that into some
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: form of technology which i do want to get into
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: now lynn doesn't believe that that's the case lynn doesn't
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: believe that you could create a because he mentions it
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: in the documentary he says that he doesn't believe that
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: technology could effectively influence a person as well as a
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: remote influencer could uh-huh Because he's talking about, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: not only for an agenda to particularly harm someone, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: it's something as simple as influencing them against their family.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: You know, influencing them against their religion, influencing them against
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: their political ideology, you know, influencing them against whatever it
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is that you could possibly think of that would be
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: beneficial to any of the military industrial complex. Right. For
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: any type of agenda to be carried forward, you have
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: to break people.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Out of their.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Bubble, influence them toward a Pacific political ideology. Transferring someone
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: from a left-leaning person to a right-leaning person, a right-leaning
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: person to a left-leaning person. The possibilities are really endless.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: And the nefarious part comes in as, well, You could
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: influence someone to crash a plane. We had a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: of plane crashes there for a while. It was kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: of weird. A plane was flipped upside down. We had
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: helicopter crashes. We had freaking boat crashes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's like they could get into the mind of the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: pilot and influence them or do something, short circuit something perhaps.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Use hypnosis. I don't know how that looks, but... Whatever
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: the end game is like, get this person to crash
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: this plane. There's that incredible story that you guys cover
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: about that, too, where they found. Well, this is a
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: different maybe a different subject, but they found a crash plane, too.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So the possibilities are endless because you also had this
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: lady you showed. I thought this part was cool. You
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: showed the smuggled videos of this Russian lady in their
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: program over there. And she appears to be moving something
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: across the table with her mind. I'm like, Whoa, this,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: so you can like get people to crash planes, get,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: you can, you can move things potentially. You can, with
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: your mind, you can like salt and pepper shakers and
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. You can, uh, influence maybe a whole
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: generation to think a certain way politically. Maybe, maybe you
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: put on a concert, you know, all these festivals started
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: up in the late. What was the Monterey festival that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the Laurel Canyon people put on the mamas and the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: papas guy, he was deep in to this MKUltra stuff apparently.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They put on the first festivals, and they were handing
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: out LSD to people. Mama Cass ordered like 16,000 tabs
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: of acid for that first festival. That festival would become
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the Bonnaroo, become the template for Bonnaroo and Woodstock and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: all that. So were they able to politically motivate a
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: whole generation? Like the one, Len Buchanan, you know, talking
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: about how he was approached to possibly, you foreign leaders
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: with your mind? What all can be done with this
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: program is a sound thing.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: The possibilities are endless. That's the thing with remote viewing.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: They're always finding a new use for it. It's always
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: changing and always evolving. So in my mind, if Russia
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: is doing this Adani-Gipno stuff, and the whole reason we
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: do ever do anything is because of Russia since.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: The Cold War.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Now it's evolved into more like China. Well, China's doing this.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: We got to do the thing that China's doing now.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: But it used to be Russia. And it still is Russia.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: To a certain degree.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: We're still not, we're still political enemies of Russia. But, uh,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: if that's what Russia was doing, then it's hard for
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: me to think that we didn't do it too. We
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: had to have done. It's just so black budget. And so,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: but that's, that's the whole thing is like, yes. Can
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: you assassinate somebody with your mind mentally? And then Buchanan says, yes,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: that it is possible. That you can do it. But,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and this is something that he had told me off camera,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: which I wish that I would have been recording. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: you're getting a really good glimpse here to some behind
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the scenes stuff.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: He told me this off camera. He said, Ryder, what
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: would be.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: What would serve out the political objective and create more upheaval,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: you know, psychically killing someone to give them a heart
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: attack and they die, political foreign leader or anybody, even
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: within the United States? Or would the thing that would
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: cause the most division and carry out your political ideology
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and your political agenda more, would that not be to psychically,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: remotely influence somebody else to carry out the crime? To
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: carry out the act? To assassinate the person that you want.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: To die?
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I said, yes.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, 100%.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: That would be what you would want to do. You
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: would want to remotely influence a, and it's the perfect
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: crime because you can't prove it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You can't prove it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: There's no substance to any of it. How are you
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: going to prove that some psychic remote viewer used his
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: mind to influence me to go and kill Charlie Kirk?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that that's what happened. I'm not
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: saying that Tyler Robinson was involved in any MKUltra or
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: was influenced to do it. Let's just take that to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: another example. You can't prove that you had someone involved
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: in a mass shooting. You can't prove it. It's impossible
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: to prove, right?
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: But there are instances where.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: That one guy wrote on his weapon that said ELF.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: This is my ELF gun, which is low frequency weapon. Okay.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: No, I think that, I mean, I think he was
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: on to something and he seemed to be like just
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: pouring out all the truth. I mean, he was, he
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: was just dropping bombs left and right. But yeah, there
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: was a document I came across a couple of years ago,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: MKUltra document. And it had a, there was a guy
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in our program called Morris Lyon, really high up in
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the MKUltra program in the 50s, if I remember correctly.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And he influenced his, secretary to attempt to kill another
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: woman in his office using hypnosis. He had her. He
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: took the bullets out of the gun. Otherwise, this lady
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: would have killed this other lady. He hypnotically somehow got
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: this lady. I think it was as a secretary to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: go in, get the gun out of the drawer, walk
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: up to this lady and try to kill her. So.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: They were trying to do this for sure. It's in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the documents. So you're right. That would be the better
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: way to do it. Not go in and cause heart failure.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But you guys did talk about this too in the documentary.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: There was a Russian lady who was said to have
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: been able to go in and stop the hearts of
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: animals at least. So they think that maybe they were
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: trying to get her to do that for humans too.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Buchanan was dropping all the bombs.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, and he's got so much more that he didn't reveal.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And he's got so much information and black ops information.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, he talked about how he had the highest
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: ranking security clearance out of anybody in the government at
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that time. And he asked the person that was in
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: charge of that. I think it's really funny. He was like,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: what's the top security clearance? Who has the top security
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: clearance out of anybody in the United States? He said, oh,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: that top security clearance is reserved. He said, for who?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: He said, oh, well, nobody gets that. No one has
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: access to that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: That's nobody.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh, what is it? And he was like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: the truth. The truth.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, I can see how that I
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: can see how it's that way. Like that's. Nobody, nobody
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: at the top, man, I love that part, too. Yeah. Well,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: he was talking to about how, you know, I don't
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: want to give up too much of the documentary here,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: but he was wasn't he approached about Saddam Hussein as well?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Was he he made a couple of mentions about at least.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden. He was asked if he could kill
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden with his mind. And he said, yes,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I can, but I refuse. And this was when he
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: was out of the unit and there were like some
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: men in black showed up and drove him around the base.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And that's also what gave me that. I think that
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that was like a test. I was like a test
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: to see if they could bring Lynn into this new
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: psychic remote influencing unit. Will you do what we ask
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: you to do? Can you kill him? Would you kill him?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And how would you do it?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: You know what? I remember what it was. He was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: talking about how when we were looking when the at
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: least what they were putting out for the public, was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: that they were looking for Saddam Hussein. And Buchanan was like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: you know, while we were looking for him, we knew
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: who he was. Some of us in the programs knew
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: where he was. But he said it was politically profitable
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to someone at the time in politics that we not
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: find Saddam Hussein.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: And that was the Russian version, yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: They didn't want him to be found, but we knew
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: who he was. That's, you know, I think the guy
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: knew about a lot more salacious stuff than he revealed.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, he does, and that shows you that the whole
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein, because we'd been involved in that stuff since
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: the early 90s, right, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: finally pulled the trigger in 2001 with the attacks on
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the towers, which we just got past the 25th anniversary
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of that. Uh, and, uh, we finally did the, did
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. Just like we finally, you know, went
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: to war with Iran, right. Which has been a long
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: held plan of the, uh, globalist as well was to, uh,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: hit Iran.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Um, So that had been a long-held goal of the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: globalists was to get into Iraq and Afghanistan. And that's
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: why– and we propped up Saddam Hussein and this complete
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: fake terrorist that was responsible, what they said was responsible.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And then we invaded Afghanistan. And, you know, we everyone
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: knew where Saddam Hussein was, but it wasn't profitable for
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: them to go in and find him and take him
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: out so soon. Because then it would be like, oh, well,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: what do we do? We took care of the thing,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: the problem already. It just shows you that it's a staged,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: planned event, but it was planned years in advance. And
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: that 9-11 was a planned and staged event as well.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: General Weston Clark, right? Remember that? He got on there
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and said that he got a memo from the Pentagon
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: and it said, we're going to take out seven countries
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: in seven years, starting with Afghanistan or Iraq and ending with...
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: in Libya, Syria, all these countries on the list, ending
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: with Iran. I've talked about this on the show before.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: People in the comments are like, what are you talking about?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: You need to stick to whatever.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Conspiracy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: You don't know what you're talking about. And I've had
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: to go and find the quote. Like, it's on YouTube.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You could go find General Wesley Clark saying this. They
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: say he. I think what happened was he got the memo,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and it was a seven-year plan, and it turned out
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to be a much longer plan because these wars go
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: on longer than anybody can really plan out. But yeah,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. It was a plan to begin with.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: But I think it's cool to see how behind the
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: scenes you've got these programs, these remote viewing programs, closely,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: tightly interwoven with what's happened globally on the world stage.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: That was... That was eye-opening to me. I was like, well,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I knew the remote viewing stuff was important, but I
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: didn't know it had these tentacles that reached as far
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: as they do to these massive wars, massive conflicts.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the whole point of opening the remote
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: viewing unit to begin with was to spy on foreign
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: countries during the Cold War and figure out what they
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: were doing. Just as Russia had reportedly been doing it
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: to us, we then needed to do it to them.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: And we were successful at doing that. I mean, Pat
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Price did. literally saw the, uh, I showed in the documentary,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: how put off bringing out the drawing that Pat price
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: did of the giant crane. Oh yeah. That he, uh,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: literally remote viewed. And he said that it was freaking huge.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: And he believed that it was for some form of
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: a space application. And it wasn't until after the Cold
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: War and after Sputnik had been launched, which was at
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the end of 1970, 1957, and then we launched our
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: satellite in the space in 1958 called Explorer 1. And
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: DARPA was also established in 1958. NASA was established in 1958.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: And then the government became involved with the public and
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: education school system in 1958.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Perfect.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: It's sponsored by the Rockefellers.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: And then the Rockefellers were also funding the, the psychic
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: and ESP research and, uh, uh, the major universities across
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the United States in the thirties, a Duke university by
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: a psychologist, Carl Zender. And, uh, with JB Ryan, they
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: developed the, uh, created the ESP card psychic, uh, card game, uh,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: which would go on to, uh, test indigenous school children
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: in Canada and also, uh, children within the United States
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: that you had, uh, Talked about as well, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: so it's all connected.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: It's all connected.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Rockefellers are connected. The Rothschilds are also connected as well
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: into the public school and education system. The Rothschilds had
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: actually sent a person to New York to essentially kind
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: of overthrow the stock market. And they sent this individual
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: there to New York to oversee the purchase of this
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: media company called MacMillan Inc. And MacMillan Inc. later was
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: renamed McGraw-Hill. And McGraw-Hill is responsible for the majority of
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: the elementary school books in America that gives us the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: history of how everything happened. The kids were raised on
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: and taught in public school. And the person that they
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: sent to do that Was Robert Maxwell. Ghislaine Maxwell's dad.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: So along with Jeffrey Epstein. Working for the Rothschild family.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: The person that originally worked for the Rothschild family was
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Robert Maxwell. He was like their main guy.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: And then.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: When Maxwell would, you know, go on to die on
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: his job because he owed money to Mossad. And he also, uh,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: owed money to the Rothschilds and through the bank of England.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: See the bank of England kind of gets left out
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: of a lot of this stuff, but the bank of
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: England is huge in the global conversation, but no one
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: really brings them up. It's kind of morphed and turned
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: into Israel, but the bank of England is really behind
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of this shit.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: So Robert Maxwell was backed by not only Mossad and
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: the Rothschilds, but also through the Bank of England. And
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: when he died, Epstein and Ghislaine just took over the
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: entire operation. Epstein had just been introduced to Maxwell like
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: six months prior to Robert Maxwell's death. So Epstein was
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: pretty much his replacement. And then after he died, Epstein
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: and Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert Maxwell's daughter, would just go
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: on to do everything that Robert Maxwell was doing. Corporate
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: blackmail schemes, infiltration, overthrowing of corporations, infiltration of corporations.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So he took over the family business in a sense. Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting angle, man. That's a great angle.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And then you've got– so this filters into the public
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: school system. I definitely wanted to circle back to that
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: at some point. How much does Robert Monroe fit into
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: all this?
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Well, Robert Monroe has ties to– well, people believe that
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute Gateway Tapes is the– is the tapes
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that they heard in the gifted and talented education in
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: public school. That's what triggered a lot of the people
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and even triggered Katie Page, which is in the documentary,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: about what she remembered as a child being a part
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: of the Twilight Learners program, this biofeedback program at the
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Denver Tech Center in Colorado. Which was ran by a
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: guy that was a former navigational engineer of the SR-71
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Blackbird out of Area 51. That's wild. Then he moved
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: into Colorado and started this whole biofeedback program.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: We should tell people that this lady has the tapes, too,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: and the proof that this happened. She was recruited at
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: a young age. Her mom, if I remember correctly, was
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: like working in a dentist's office or something like that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And some random person comes in one day and like, hey,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: we need to get your daughter in this program. And
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: that's how it starts. And she goes and meets with
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: this guy every day. And he's this guy that works
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: at Area 51 later, as she finds later, like working
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: on the spy plane. This stuff is so crazy. It's
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: out there. It's like spy movie stuff that happened in
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: real life. But she has the tapes. And I thought
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: that was cool that you guys played that at the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: end of the documentary. It's almost like a cliffhanger. I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if you were building up for another documentary
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: or what, but I thought it was cool that you
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: ended it with that. It was the perfect thing to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: end on, but I was like, man, I wonder if
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: he's going to reveal more.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: See, there's a lot of things that you got to
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, put together when you're watching the
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: movie because it's not all laid out for you. And like,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's said to you, but you got to
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: put two and two together on your own. And I
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: thought that that was the perfect way to end it
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: because of what's said in the tape. The very last
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: words on the tape at the end of the movie
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: is come back to the voice on the tape.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: So it's implying that if you want more information, rewatch
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the movie.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Nice. Kubrick. It's Kubrick style.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Super Kubrick style. I hate to give away that information,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: but sometimes you got to give it away or people
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: aren't going to make it make sense. What's going on here?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: It's all right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: You don't have to tell it on every podcast. We just.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you're the only one that I've ever cited on,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: so you get another exclusive.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Love that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Another exclusive Easter egg of the movie.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people are tuned into that aspect of
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the kids being brought in to this program part. I
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: know we talked about it at the beginning, but still,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: there's a part in the documentary where you and Jay
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Widener start talking about this Monroe Institute thing. And you
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: play this clip, I thought this was interesting, where Monroe
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: himself was saying, yeah, you know, this started out of selfishness.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: There was nothing noble about it. We weren't trying to
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: help the world or humankind. So that should tell people already,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you know, okay, this wasn't, this might not be this
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: innocent thing. This might be something you should take seriously, right?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Because Monroe himself says, you know, we had all these
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: R & D funds to do it. It's like we
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: started it for selfish reasons and it the more you
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: guys lay out information about this, the more it starts
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: sounding like a real life Stranger Things where the government
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: or private industry or the government working with private industry
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: with back channels going back and forth are trying to
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: create these super psychic kids for selfish reasons. And Jay Widener,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I love Jay Widener, he throws out this quote. He's like,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: you know, these are techniques to develop psychic ability of
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: these gifted and talented children. And then it does, the
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: more you lay out information in a documentary, the more
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: it starts to feel like, oh, this is the real
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: life Stranger Things or one of them. Like you said,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: there's probably multiple projects, but I think that's going to
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: stand out to people because this is where a lot
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: of people are coming forward and saying they have memories.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, it doesn't serve just one of these things like
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I was mentioning in the beginning of this interview. It
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: also serves recruitment, right? Recruitment is a big part of
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: this as well because Charlie Kirk was in the GATE program. Well,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: he was in an entire GATE school, right? It's called
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Creative Children's Academy out of Palatine, Illinois. renamed quest academy
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: in 1999 and it's still in operation today and this
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: just wasn't a gate program an extracurricular class that children
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: would take this is an entire school dedicated to gifted
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: and talented children that charlie was a part of and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: it's still in operation today you can get on the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: quest academy website and read everything that they do and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: they talk about how They basically set up the child's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: life inside of the classroom and outside of the classroom.
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  Speaker 3: So when you take into consideration what is actually going
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: on here, what do they mean by setting up the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: trial for success outside of the classroom? Does that mean
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: running a multi-million dollar company that you started from the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: ground up by having all these handlers and all these
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: people around you 24-7 and pushing you in a certain
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: direction and opening doors for you that otherwise wouldn't be opened?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: You got to be a part of the group. If
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: you're not a part of the group, Tim, then you're
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: going to struggle. It's not that you can't get there.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: You can get there, but you're just going to have
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: to work a lot harder at it than the people
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: that are verified a part of the group, the secret society,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: the family. If you're not a part of that and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: you didn't go through the gate program, then and your
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: family is not a part of the military-industrial complex, then
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: you're going to have a hard go at it because
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: you're not going to have all these doors open for
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: you throughout your life. Tim, you go try and open
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: up a multi-million dollar company.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's no different than this, whatever it's called, the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Disney Club or whatever. Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Ryan...
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: not Ryan Reynolds, maybe Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Gosling, all those guys,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: ladies and kids, were in this one little Disney club
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: and they all went on to become stars, right? They
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: were like, same thing for like, you know, I guess child,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: they were child stars, but they were put there and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: groomed and given doors. Doors were open for them that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be open for normal people. It's the same thing.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And so we bring it back to Charlie Kirk, and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, that adds a whole new element
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: to this story. It's like, yeah, so not only were
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: they maybe giving people million-dollar companies, they were also giving
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: them political careers or political influencer platforms. The possibilities are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: endless with that, too. Grooming programs, like pick for a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: role and program for the role.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: And that's what Jay Weiner talks about within the movie
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: is like, it's hard to find a conspiracy here because
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: the children have been programmed with what it is exactly
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: that they're supposed to do from a young age. So
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: when they're already programmed with what it is that they
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: need to do, then there's really no conspiracy. It's like,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like the remote influencing aspect of this
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: is that You can't prove that someone was remote influenced
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: to do whatever it is that they had done. The
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: only person that's going to know is the actual person
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: that was doing the remote influencing. If it carried out
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: the messaging that he was putting inside of his head,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: it's the same with these gay program people. One, if
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: they're successful and they have a good life, then they
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: don't care about any of this. Because they went along
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: with the program and did exactly what it is that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: they were supposed to do. They're okay. They don't have
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: any reason to talk about how whenever they were a child,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: they were given drugs and hypnotized and got outside of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: their body and disassociated and traumatized and weird things happening
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: to them that they don't remember. Probably some sort of abuse.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: They don't care to talk about any of that because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: they got money. They got wealth. They're doing good.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: It's a payoff.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: Why would you?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: But the ones that didn't make it.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: That's where Jay was talking about, I think, where he's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: talking about, oh, the programming is starting to wear off
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: on some of these kids who are now in their
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: late 30s, early 40s. And they're starting to talk about
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: this amongst each other on the Internet and stuff.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: And you'll see that with, I mean, look at Britney Spears.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Britney Spears.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Which we show that in A Clockwork Shining. We show
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that whole meltdown of her on NBC.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: She's talking to Barbara Streisand, I think.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Or yeah one of them one of them and then
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: she basically hits her with like a trigger word and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: she just has like a meltdown immediately uh lindsey lohan
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: same type of person um and katie perry she has
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: uh she did that weird thing where she looks like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: she's glitching out like on stage Just weird things. We're
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: in Justin Bieber there for a while. Looked like he
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: was going through a real, real rough. And some of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: it could be because they're, you know, child stars. I mean,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Aaron Carter, same way. Then he died very suspiciously.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Diane Sawyer is the interview you showed. It was on
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: primetime 2003. This one really opened my mind to this.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: When you guys showed that, I was like, wow, because
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: you can even see the use of the trigger word.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: And I know how crazy this is going to sound
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: to some people who maybe aren't familiar with this, but
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: you got to go watch it. You'll see. There's a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: trigger word used. And as soon as Diane Sawyer uses
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: the trigger word, something glitches. Like, it's like somebody else
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: enters into her body almost. She turns into another person
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: immediately after that word's used. And it's a real weird word.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: It's like that word didn't really need to be, there
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: was no context for that word being used necessarily in
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the interview. So that opened my mind to this whole
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: MKUltra type thing, aspect to this, how these child stars
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: were programmed and everything. And then with your film, too,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: one of the things, because I think there's a lot
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: involved with this. We've kind of talked about that, and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: it's a lot to try and tackle. But there's so
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: many different angles to this, so many different moving parts.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: But not only are they being programmed, but in some
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: of these programs, they're being taught abilities or shown how
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: to tap into certain abilities. And I thought it'd be
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: cool to bring up the Hemisync method. Another very... Speaking
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, movies and shows and things we're
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: all familiar with, like Stranger Things again, this, this one
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: really reminded me of that show, but it's like you,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: with the Hemisync method, they play two different beats, I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: think one in each ear. And that somehow allows the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: brain to enter a place where it can now perform
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: psychic ability. You know, I don't know, you know, correct
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, but some kids did okay with that.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Some kids did better. Some kids like really excelled at it.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: And that's how you would get a real life 11.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: Essentially, yes.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: And there's actually a let's see if I can screen
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: share this video really quickly, because I think that this
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: is really important.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: Question.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I'll pull up the I'll pull up a quote from
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Jay Widener here. why you pull that up. This is,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to quote too much from your documentary again,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: but I'll throw this last one out there. Jay said,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: and some children become really psychic. Then you classify it,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you take them out, then put in, put them in
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: these special programs and you can cause people to travel
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: out into the terrestrial universe in their astral bodies and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: talk to potentially talk to, you know, non-human intelligence. You
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: can gather information and you can do all sorts of
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: incredible stuff that you never expect to see. And then
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: he's referring to some of the stuff that's referred to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: in army manuals, specifically. And Jay went on to say,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: you know, you get the impression that whoever wrote these
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: manuals was trying to create an army of psychic spies,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: a whole army of them, maybe even a whole generation
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: of them. And I think that just encompasses what we're
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: talking about here in this show today, where it's like
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you've got individual examples where we could talk about the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Britney Spears case and others like it. And you've got
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the GATE program where you've got maybe a whole army
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: of them And then you've got a whole generation of
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: people who maybe are being programmed through the music even,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: like the Laurel Canyon scene and all that sort of thing.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: So this is, Jerry, it's a very big story.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: It is a very big story. And this gentleman right here,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Danny Sheehan, he's a very popular ufologist. He does all
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: the speaking arrangements and the speaking gigs and stuff like that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that this is actually really important as well.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I've shown this a couple of times on my show.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I showed it with Walter Bosley and I showed it
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: with Trey Hudson as well. But I think that this
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: is very interesting and it might be something that, you know,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: another tentacle to what the GATE program is being used for.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to play just a tiny clip of this
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: so that you can tell me if you can hear
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: the audio.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: So what they've done is they've lost a number of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: multi-million dollar trained U.S. fighter pilots in trying to get
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: them to fly these things. And they've killed them. And
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: then they just keep going back trying to do it
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: again and experiment with them and kill more of them.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: And it's all being covered up. And so what they
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: decided that they needed to do is they needed to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: go find people who are psychic. People who have psychic
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: capabilities of telepathic communication and ESP, etc. And so they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: go and they try to recruit them. And what they
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: found out is that they didn't dare recruit full adults
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: because they would tell about it. And they didn't want
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: to sign a nondisclosure agreement. And then they go tell somebody.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: So what they did is they went after children. They
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: set up a program on the military bases where they
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: have military schools for the children of the military people
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: and the workers. And they started giving them tests called
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: the GATE program, the Gifted and Talented Children. purporting to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: be looking for the intellectually intelligent kids but at the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: same time they were testing them for psychic abilities as
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: well and when they discovered some of these kids that
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: had these kind of psychic capabilities they went to their
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: parents and lied to them and said oh your child
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: is extraordinarily intelligent which a lot of them were and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: we're going to give them a special scholarship we're going
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: to have a special school we're going to bring them
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: to and they brought them to this school that turns
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: out to be on the property of Northrop Grumman, a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: private aerospace corporation where they test these craft and they
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: bring the kids there. And the problem is that what
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: they're doing is because they're so driven to try to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: create a weapons delivery platform using this technology to deliver
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: nuclear warheads into Russia or China within seconds, What they're
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: doing is they're so pressed to try to accelerate the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: program that they're drugging these kids with amphetamines and frying
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: them out, these young children, and then having to conceal
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: what's happened to them. This is a horrible scandal that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: is going on inside the program. We now know about
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: it in that they're pleading with us not to tell
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: anybody about it. You'll see how responsive I am.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: There you go, bro. That's exactly... That's a whole other thing, dude.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: That's an aerospace company in Huntsville, Alabama that's connected to everybody.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Hal Puthoff, Amy, the girl who got killed recently, or
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: a couple years ago. Everybody. There's an industrial park full
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: of aerospace companies there. Raytheon, the whole list. And Northrop
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Grumman's there with them. And you're saying, he's saying, I've
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: never heard this before, so this is blowing my mind.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: He's saying there's a school there where they're doing this?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. Amy Estridge is the lady. She was
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: killed in Huntsville. I'm assuming that's where the school is,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: because that's where their headquarters are. Whew.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Gives you the chills, don't it?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. You guys brought this up. You
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: can traumatize a young person and get them to, in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: a sense, leave their body. Brings in all sort of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: elements of ethics, of course. Torture. And I think last
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: time we talked about that Canadian doctor, Ewan Cameron. It's like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: when are they going to stop doing this stuff, man?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That was like in 68, funded by the CIA. This
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: dude was putting all these horrendous experiments on people like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: putting a guy to sleep for 65 days among other
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: things like when are they gonna stop doing this.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Man And you and Cameron, the same experiments that he
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: was doing, it lines up with what people remember happening
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: to them with the GATE program. And if you think
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: about it, it's the exact same type of program.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: They're drugged.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: They're traumatized. They have hypnosis. They put on a pair
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: of headphones. Which is what you and Cameron would call
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: psychic driving. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: the people have experienced within the gay program and what
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: they said that they've experienced. It's the exact same thing.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, tell me about that clip, though. Tell
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: me more about that clip.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: Of what?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: The one that you just played.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: The one that you just watched? Yeah, yeah. Well, I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: had said that back a little while ago, before I'd
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: even have saw that when I was promoting Psychic Agent
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: the Gate Program documentary, that this was eventually going to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: come out, and I had stumbled across it, and here
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: he's talking about it. He's talking about how children are,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: and the drugs, the amphetamines that he said that the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: children are given the basically fry of their brain was
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: developed out of the MK ultra programs. That's where amphetamines
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: came out of. That's where they were tested on. The
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: tested on patients within the MK ultra programs. And then
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: they were like, okay, well, we've tested a year. Then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: they made it for public use. And then what did
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: they put? your unruly child on. They can't sit still
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: or pay attention. They put them on amphetamine, which is
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Ritalin or Adderall, which is just one molecule off of methamphetamine.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: You know, so.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I think that the drugs in the end are there
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: to put the person into a state of psychosis to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: where whatever it is that they would say happened to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: them cannot be confirmed because they're essentially out of their mind, right?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: They're in a psychosis. You know, they're talking about crazy things.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: This was what was done to Jack Ruby as well
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: with the JFK assassination, right? Jack Ruby was talking about
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: how To the news and to the reporters, he was like,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: I'm the only one that knows why I did this.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: And it's a very small group of people. They're a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: very elite group of people. And I'm the only one
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: that would be able to tell you exactly what was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: going on and why this happened. And then the next day,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: he's in his jail cell. He gets a visit from
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: somebody in the CIA. Some people think it was Jolly West,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: head of the CIA operation, along with Sidney Gottlieb. Jolly
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: West comes and gives him a visit, doses him with LSD,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: and then before you know it, he's out of his mind,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: talking about fairies, and that the goblins made him do it,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: shoot Oswald. So the drugs are there for two different reasons.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: In the beginning, the drugs are there to get you
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: out of your body, to have you disassociate easily. And
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: then later on, it's to put you in a complete psychosis.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, this was done with Ames Leaf Room in
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: the 70s, I believe, or in the 60s or 70s.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: It was developed by this guy named Dr.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Ames.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: It was funded by the Office of Naval Research. It
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: was called Ames Leaf Room. If you wanted to get
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: on Google, you could find it. what Ames' leaf room was,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: but he would essentially take a bunch of college students
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: into this room that had leaves all over the walls.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: He would dose them with LSDs and put goggles over
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: their heads so they would have the worst trip of
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: their life looking through 3D freaking goggles at this crazy
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: wall that was made out of of nothing but leaves
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: and they were in this confined space of this room
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Ames Leaf Room and yep this is it.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: The first thing that comes up is a distorted room
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: that creates an optical illusion likely influenced by the writings
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: of Herman Helmholtz, an American scientist. I'm just going to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: pull up the whole Wikipedia here. American scientist Albert Ames Jr.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: invented the concept and patented it in 1940, the exact
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: date that the invention has not been established. Let's see.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's just, here's the diagram of the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: true and apparent position of a person in the Ames
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: room and the shape of the room. So it's, the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: person stands here Wait, wait, wait. This is some really
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: weird stuff here. What's going on here, bro? This is
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: tripping me out without the drugs. The illusion of an
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: ordinary room. The true shape of the room is that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: of an irregular hexahedron, depending on the design of the room.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: All surfaces can be regular or irregular quadrilaterals, so that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: one corner of the room is further from an observer
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: than the other. The illusion of an ordinary room is
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: because most information about the true shape of the room
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: does not reach the observer's eye. The geometry of the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: room is carefully designed using perspective so that from the peephole,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: the image projected onto the retina of the observer's eye
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: is the same as that of an ordinary room. Once
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  Speaker 2: the observer is prevented from perceiving the real locations of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: the parts of the room, the illusion that it is
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: an ordinary room occurs. It forces the observer to be
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: at the location where the image projected into the eye
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: is of an ordinary room. From any other location, the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: observer would see the room's true shape. So, let's see. Yeah,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: this is trippy. It prevents the observer from moving to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: a different location so as to get any information about
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: the real shape of the room. from motion parallax, which
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: an object view along two different lines of sight and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: is measured by the angle or half angle of inclination
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: between those two lines. Due to foreshortening, nearby objects show
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: a large parallax than further objects, etc. But it's some
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: sort of an optical illusion.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: Now imagine being dosed with lsd and then going into this.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Room yeah right you know what's going on no but
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Hard enough time without lsd figuring out what what's going
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: on then 3d glasses and some lsd and then uh
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: you know people would have the worst end up in
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: the emergency room.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: But you can see, okay, look, here's a picture of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: two adults standing in one of these rooms, apparently with
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: a significant difference in size. So there's a lot of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: optical illusions going on here. And you could probably, if
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: you're on LSD, you're just going to walk around in
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: circles in this thing and just get more and more confused.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I've been in a house like this. There's a house
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: like this once. in North Carolina where this eccentric artist
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: built himself like a, it's kind of like a mini mansion.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: And he had the rooms done like this. So it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: would trip you out when you walked into the room,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't know you would be going up. We think
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: you're going down. You would think that the room's getting smaller,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: but it's getting bigger. Just things like that. And it,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: people would lose their balance and, you know, no drugs
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: involved at all. You go in there stone, stone cold sober,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: and you're still going to like, you know, have to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: grab a railing or something to catch your balance. Yeah.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. And there's also another one that I
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: definitely want you to look up too.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Because I've talked about them several times, but not a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: lot of people look them up as we're doing the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: actual discussion here. It's called the Ganzfeld experiment. G-A-N-Z-F-E-L-D. Yes. Yes,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: this is the one.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: All right, let's see. Should I pull up the Wikipedia here?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pull up the wiki.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: All right. Gansfield Experiment from the German words for Entire
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: and Field is an assessment used by parapsychologists that they
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: contend can test for extrasensory perception, aka ESP, or telepathy.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: All right, tell me about this.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is an experiment that you can do
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: on your own. You can actually cut a ping pong
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: ball just like this girl right here has. You can
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: cut a ping pong ball in half and then tape
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: them to your eyeballs and put on white noise. So
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: this is another experiment that involves headphones, right? What's going on?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Why are all these things involving headphones, Tim? Why is
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: it all headphones? Weird, strange feelings. freaking frequencies monroe institute
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: gateway tapes white noise why the headphones anyway this girl
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: has headphones on she's apparently listening to white noise and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: then she has a red light that's beaming a red
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: light onto her face and then she's like opening her
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: eyes underneath the uh the ping pong balls and she's
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: seeing uh weird uh strange things people that Reportedly do
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: this over. A lot of people can't do it over
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: 30 minutes. But. For the people that.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: Do.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: They experience. Very strange and.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: Weird.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: What has been reported as. Hallucinate.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: Hallucinations.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: You get the ping pong balls on. And you open
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: your eyes underneath those suckers.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: If whatever's beaming through the headphones is hitting, if it's
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: really hitting, you're going to start to see some stuff?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: That's wild, man. I could see ghost hunters doing this
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: in a dark room and hearing voices and stuff.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: People do hear things. People are in the room. They're
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: the only ones there. People that do this alone hear things,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: see things. experience really weird i mean you can just
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: get get on youtube and look at people doing this
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: and they they kind of freak out they kind of
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: trip out they're like oh my god what's actually happening
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: here but this is a really weird one and it
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: kind of you know it correlates to what people experience
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: in the gay program they got the the weird things
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: over their eyes which you know could be you know
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: explained by uh weird goggles like just imagine like it's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: You got the frequencies, you got the headphones. And this
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: is like to induce hallucinations and activate your ESP or
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: psychic abilities. Now imagine if you were just drugged. Right, right.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to force the mind to, I guess,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to word it, but you're pulling
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: things out of your mind. Or your mind is unlocking things,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I guess in some cases as well. That seems to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: be the thing with the hemi, right? Like hemispheres. You
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: got two hemispheres in your brain. And if you got
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: a beat in one side and a different beat in
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: the other, it's separating the two hemispheres. And I'm just,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm bumbling my way through this because I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: don't know how it actually works, but something to do
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: with that unlocks something. So you're able to now tap
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: into what we would perceive as to be psychic abilities
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: i don't know how it works but this is they've
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: all they've done all these tests for for years now
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: and something seems to be unlocking something and you know
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: then these kids go on to be used as assassins
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: and that that brings us to some i wanted to
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: get back to the indian lake project i don't know
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: that you think now might be a good time to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: because that's what this is Possibly what they were doing
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: with that, right? They had kids locked up in this place,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: underground military base.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: When I saw this on your documentary, I was like,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: we got to talk about this because it's wild. You
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: had real photos you showed. You even showed a real
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: picture of the box and we could get into the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: story itself. But this one's wild.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this one is really interesting in that there is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: actual proof of this happening. And so pretty much what
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: happened was that this... I got it right here if
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: you want me to.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. You want me to give the
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: whole layout rundown? Yeah, okay. October 2nd, 2005, an anonymous
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: blogger calling himself John, launched a blog about a metal
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: box supposedly discovered in the wilderness near Indian Lake, New York.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Now John's talking about his uncle who found it back
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: on July 8th of 1997. Okay. So the blog is
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: launched in 2005, but the box was found in 97.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: The uncle in 97 said, is hiking on a trail.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's off-trail, actually. That's the impression I got.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: He was not near the roads, not near the trails,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: any of that. He's off-trail, and that's when he trips
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: over a corner that says here, a corner protruding two
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: or three inches above the ground. Inside the box were
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: water-damaged photographs, three reels of 8mm film, and assorted documents.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Most of the photographs depicted children, sometimes alongside military personnel.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: And I even, this is a rabbit hole, bro. I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: went down a part of it and I looked up
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: the blog and I saw that he had posted later posts,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: you know, like updated the store, updated people on the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: story and such. And I have a post about him
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: getting in, getting like weird, weird things happening to him.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Let me find it real quick. lay that out.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he claimed to be followed, stalked, weird things going on,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: people trying to get a hold of him to give
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: him myths and disinformation about the program, strange vans outside
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: of his house, just really weird and strange stuff. I mean, the.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: He says, since my last post, a lot of things
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: have happened to me, which made me believe that posting
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: any more items from the box would not be in
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: my best interest. I have had numerous phone calls only
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: to hear silence on the other end as many as
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: 20 times a day. My house was broken into and searched.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Nothing was taken. The box and its contents had been
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: securely hidden outside of my home. I did this shortly
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: after the phone calls began. It is obvious to me
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: that I hit a nerve when I mentioned the documents
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I have. and that I was considering perhaps posting them
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: at some point. I'm no longer going to post anything
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I have done. I hope anyone who stumbles onto this
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: site will read it from the beginning and continue to
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: stay interested in the story. So that's the thing. This
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: is just one blog post from Wednesday, October 26, in 2005.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: There's many other posts, many other things that happened to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: this guy, of course. For those of you who have
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: followed this blog, I'm sorry, but my family and their
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: peace of mind come first. as disturbing as these photos
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: and documents are, the last few days for me and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: my family have been even more so, which is why
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I'm saying goodbye. So he went through it, and so
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: he didn't post the pictures, but you got the pictures
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: in your documentary, so you obviously know more about this
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: than I do, of course.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I was still able to, well... When I found
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: out about this around two years ago, whatever blog post
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: that I was looking at still had all the photos up.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: It's been a while since I've tried to find them.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Well, this is just one post, so this is not
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: the entire story. I just thought it was interesting. I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: read this out just to get across the point that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: he hit a nerve, right? It seems like he really
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: found something. I think that this story is legit, and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I think that these type of blog posts are sort
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: of backing that up. John did not claim that he
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: personally found the box. His uncle found it. Let's see.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Uncle dug out. Most photographs depicted children, sometimes alongside military personnel.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Read that part. Several children were labeled with names such
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: as Roger, Sam, and Sally, accompanied by numbers. The uncle
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: supposedly became frightened by the material and gave the box
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: to John shortly before dying of lung cancer in 2002. Now,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: John concluded that the box documented a secret military installation
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: operating near Indian Lake between 1952 and 1955, and he
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: called it the Indian Lake Project, or ILP, and he
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: claimed children were being held there for experiments involving mind control,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: and psychological conditioning, hypnosis, and induced amnesia. High frequency sounds. Headphones, bro. Headphones.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Extrasensory perception. Possible links to Project Artichoke and MKUltra.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: That was what really drove this. Whenever I found this, dude,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I cannot believe this.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: And when... you know, this came into the picture after
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: I had already decided to do this, remove anything. And
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: then it came back in with this gate program stuff.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: Cause I was like, I feel like people have just,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: the people that knew about the Indian lake project.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Before have forgotten about it.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: Now it's kind of something that is it, but if
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: this isn't true, then where did you get the pictures from?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: And how are the pictures depicting things that people remember
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: happening to them just in public school? It doesn't make
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: any sense how they could be faked. I mean, if
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: you looked at the pictures that I show in the documentary,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: the kids have headphones on. They're behind bars. They're playing
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: with blocks. One of the kids has spoons there. Like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: he was being like, you can clearly see it. It's
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: kind of difficult to see, but you have to zoom
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: in on it. But it's a kid that's playing with
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: a block. And there was a whole section of the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: documentary that I wasn't able to include because it was
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: just getting so long that Walter was talking about how,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: because Walter's dad was also involved with the Air Force.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: And then that's how Walter became involved with the Air
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Force because his dad was in the Air Force. And
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: he said that his dad would come home with blocks
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: all the time. like these puzzle blocks. And then we
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: give them to him and he would play with those
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: as like a kid is like a mind tester. And
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Holy shit.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: This is what these.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: Kids are doing. And these, uh, photos are from, uh,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: reportedly back in the, in the fifties. Right. And it's so,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: it's so crazy. And so it was in the, the,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: the Indian lake story just gets even stranger. He abruptly
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: stops posting. He's he hasn't posted again. I, think since
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: 2009 is that right.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: On october well that maybe what it says on october
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: 26 of 20 2005 he temporarily stopped publishing after his
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: final blog entries appeared in february of 2013 is what
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: this says yes but this this also goes back to
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: this underground base thing you're talking about earlier it's like
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this is just on the East Coast,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: but this is another example of an underground base on
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: the East Coast. I don't know. Maybe was Walter Bosley
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: East Coast or was he? California. Okay, so it would
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: have been happening. So this is coast to coast because
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: he's getting the blocks too. But this is just another
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: case of these underground bases over here. So they must
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: have had projects going nationwide. using similar methods.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Explain that of the underground base, of what he found.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Later posts described finding underground rooms and corridors, a room
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: containing eight beds, military-style remains, a 1947 nickel recovered with
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: a metal detector, a low-flying black helicopter near the alleged
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: site experienced that, And he experienced, of course, silent telephone
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: calls and being followed. But, yeah, he talks about there
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: being underground rooms and corridors, a room down there with bedding,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: military-style remains, and, you know, yeah, that sort of thing.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe blocks, spoons. I don't know. Those were in the pictures.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he apparently stumbled across this underground facility, and he
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: mapped it out. He drew it all.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he drew everything and all the corridors. And he
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: said that in the very back of the building, there
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: were these two like wide hanger doors or one wide
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: hanger door that was completely locked. that he couldn't get into.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: So the area that he was in was the area
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: that he mapped out, but he believed that the underground
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: facility was much larger than what he knew, what he
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: could access. So there were several locked doors, and the
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: hangar door was also locked as well. So, I mean,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: that's also what they do. Any deep underground facility, facility
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: they try and lock up um cement over it um
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: make it to where it can't be opened um you
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: can't you can't get into it um you know so.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Those pictures were creepy too I want to add with
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: the kids really I mean I got chills from that
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: those pictures you showed just the fact that all this
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: stuff is real is wild. This is, it's wild. Because,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's just, we're just starting to
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: learn more and more, I think, about the situation here.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: But I always thought, yeah, you know, the Montauk Project,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: we've talked about that. It's been talked about since for
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: years on conspiracy shows. They talked about it on Coast
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: to Coast AM back in the day. Montauk Projects. kids
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: coming out later in life and adulthood saying, yeah, I
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: was a part of this government thing. It put us
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: under hypnosis and this and that, and that being the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: basis for stranger things.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: But also we've got stories like this. So this is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: happening all over the place. There was multiple stranger things
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: happening in real life, underground bases. Again, just not out
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: of the question at this point. Um, I almost wonder
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: if that show was meant to sort of reveal information
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: to the public. I just wonder.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I believe that the Duffer Brothers, the original title
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: for the show was supposed to be called Montauk, and
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: then they wouldn't let him do that, and they changed
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: it to Stranger Things. So Netflix, the producers, wouldn't allow
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: them to... keep Montauk but there's more evidence for the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: Indian Lake project than there is for the Montauk project
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: I mean there's very little in the way of evidence
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: for the Montauk project there's literally no documentation yeah it
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: was a satellite military base but no evidence of children
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: there I think there's some evidence of like some weird
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: experimentation in the way of like chimeras and like weird
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: animal experiments and weird animal tests, but there's no pictures
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: of any kids being experimented on. There was no documentation
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: of kids being experimented on. There's really none of that
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: when it comes to really all that we have is
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: people's testimony that claimed that they were a part of that.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: But with Indian Lake Project, we got pictures. We got
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: reported documents. We got film reels.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the film reels were never released.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: But the still images from the film reels were released.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: Apparently they were really damaged and they weren't able to
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: be released like that. But I tend to believe what
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: was happening at Indian Lake, New York, because it lines
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: up with what people claimed happened to them just many,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: many years later.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a highlight in the film. There's a
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: lot of highlights in the film. So many, we couldn't
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: even get to them all. I still have little notes
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: over here. I'm like, ask Ryder about this, ask Ryder
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: about that. We won't be able to get to all
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: that today. There's just so many. People will just have
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: to go out and watch it. Since you brought up
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Walter Brosley, I will throw this question out there, though.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Or we'll just bring it up and see if there's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: anything that you might want to add to it. But
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Walter was talking about The CIA front companies. I thought
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: that was really interesting. Entire buildings. Because at this point,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: I think, again, I'll just reiterate this. Underground bases are real.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: That's real. But also, front companies. He even said that
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: when he was undercover, he would go to some or
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: work with some where people would come in and asked for,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: so whatever the business was offering, whether it's offering, let's
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: just say it's offering plumbing services or something. People would
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: actually come in and talk to the secretary and be like, hey,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: I need this job done. And they'd be like, oh, well,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: we're booked up right now. This is the front company, right?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: We're booked up right now. We can't help you, but
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: we can give you this other company who will, and
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: they'll refer them to a company that will get the
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: job done. But they go so far as to put
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: a lady behind a desk In a fake building, a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: real building, but with a fake, you know what I'm
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: trying to say, a front company. He said entire buildings too.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that got me. He's like, there's a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: whole building downtown Manhattan. People just don't even realize it's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: a front company. Thought that was awesome.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, and he told me the name of that building,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: but I kind of forgot it off the top of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: my head. I have to go back through my notes.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I show the building and I don't say it.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: He doesn't say it in the movie. That building that's
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: shown is the actual building that was running these FBI
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: operations out of. So, yes, I thought that that was
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: really fascinating as well. And he uses the example that
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: you could be working for a donut shop, which I
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: think is really funny. A donut shop and not even
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: know that it's an undercover FBI front organization, a front
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: operation that's been running a freaking 10-year operation trying to
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: figure out certain things. And that's very true. I mean,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: we've seen people come out of, you know, under, you know,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: spies and undercover work that's come on different podcasts. One
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: guy did Joe Rogan recently that was talking about how
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: he was a CIA undercover agent that was there to
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: infiltrate like white supremacist gangs and all kinds of different stuff.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: And he says that some of them are really, really
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: long operations and they go on for years, years, you're undercover,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: you know? So it just shows you how dedicated, some
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: of these operations really are.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: And how long that they can go on for. And
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: if they're doing that, dude, then would they not create
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: an agent to go out and become friends or become
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: lovers with whoever they want to infiltrate? No. Like, Look
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: at the Charlie Kirk situation. Look at the Erica Kirk situation.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: You know, she's probably a plant. She's probably a honeypot
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: working for some company or some organization on a multi-year
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: long operation. And if you don't think that they'll go
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: that far. you're sadly mistaken. The power and how far
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: they'll take an operation. They will take an operation as
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: far as having kids with the person that they're trying
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: to infiltrate and marry the person that they're trying to
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: infiltrate and take over their company.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: They will.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's multi-generational at this point. I think,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: you know, plants are having plants are having plants. It's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: like Yeah, my dad was a spy. I was born
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: into this program and I was born with this role
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: that I have to play. Sort of a thing. You
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: might not even know it, right?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And that's the whole point of the program is
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: for you not to realize what's going on. And if
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: you do realize what's going on, then they're not doing
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: a good job. Yeah. Operation is not good. If you
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: know what's going on, they're not doing a good job. Okay, so...
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: They– that's the whole point of the entire program. Have
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: you ever watched the show The Blacklist? No. Actually, there's
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: a real-life– thing that i could bring up.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah really quickly but.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Uh this isn't this is different the blacklist is a
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: tv show it's a fictionalized tv show that revolves around
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: this uh international uh smuggler that's trying not a smuggler
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: but a person is trying to get this essentially this
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: hard drive that has all of the illuminati secrets on
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: this hard drive or whatever But it's really interesting, and
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: it turns out in the show that this guy is
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: a spy against the main character of the show and
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: has been running this 10-year operation to marry this person
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: and have kids with this person to keep tabs on
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: this individual. And he has multiple passports, many different names
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: and all this stuff. And it just shows you the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: links that they would go through. But there's also real-life
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: spy ones like that, like the Barack Obama ricin letters.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: Have you ever looked into that? It's called The Kings
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: of Tupelo.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Never heard of any of this. This is wild.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Look up The Kings of Tupelo. It's a Netflix documentary.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Kings of Tupelo. The Southern Crime Saga? Yep. All right.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: I've seen this on Netflix. I haven't watched it, but
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: I saw the thing.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, you want to watch it, dude?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: It's given me Tarantino vibes, just with the marketing. But,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: all right, let's see what we got going on here.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Crime drama series weaves together a complex narrative involving a
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: small town feud internet conspiracy Elvis impersonation black market order
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: trafficking and presidential assassination attempt in Mississippi let's see focuses
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: on Kevin Curtis a former Elvis impersonator and conspiracy theorist
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: from Tupelo Mississippi We're just good old people from Tupelo.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Isn't that in the movie? Is that almost famous? The
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: guy gets left behind by his band. He's partying with
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: these kids. He just goes and hangs out with these kids.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: And he's like, man, we're just good kids from Tupelo.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's it. But anyway, Curtis was fired from
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: the North Mississippi Medical Center and became convinced the hospital
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: was involved in illegal organ harvesting. Curtis developed a feud
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: with his state representative, Steve Holland, after Holland refused to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: support his proposed legislation on organ trafficking. Holland also coincidentally
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: owned several funeral homes, fueling Curtis' conspiracy theories. Curtis was
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: later framed by James Everett Dutsky, a Taekwondo instructor. Wayne Newton, impersonator,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: and a Republican candidate for office in 2007 who ran
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: against Holland for sending the 2013 ricin letters. Okay, ricin letters.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Here we go. To President Barack Obama, Judge Sadie Holland,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: and Senator Roger Wicker. So, okay, all this is like,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: the whole, all this is made up stuff. It's all
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: fiction until you get to this part here where The
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: guy who's a Wayne Newton impersonator in the movie, he's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: running for office as a Republican. But in the movie,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: they add in this real nugget, right? Is that what's
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: happening here, which is the 2013 ricin letters to Barack Obama?
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: No, it's all real. This is a real documentary.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: What? Yeah. Bro, I thought this was all made up
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: until you got to that part.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's real.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, what? Oh, this is a documentary.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: This is a real documentary.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: I missed the boat on that one, bro. All right,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: that brings... Okay, that brings a whole new levels of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: this thing. Hold on.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: So this guy starts working at this hospital in the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: North Mississippi Medical Center, and he stumbled across this morgue...
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: he got a call to go to the morgue because, uh, the, the,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: they'd had some kind of maintenance issue at the morgue
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: where a bunch of blood had been backed up into
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: the morgue.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: So he goes into the morgue, opens up this refrigerator
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: because he got.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: Thirsty, was looking for some water.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: And he found all these body parts.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: In the refrigerator.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: All these body parts were labeled with barcodes, dude, like arms, legs, feet, heads.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: They had all been severed and they were all bagged
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: up and they all have barcodes on them. So he
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: trips out, gets fired because he starts asking questions about
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: this freaking morgue in this hospital that has all these
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: body parts all laid out on in the refrigerator in
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: the morgue. And one of the people that he had saw, well,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: he says in the documentary that one of the people
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: that he saw there was one of the heads that
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: he saw inside of the morgue that was just there
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: a couple of days earlier. Okay? So then he goes
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: on and he starts asking questions. And the hospital fires him,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: makes him sign a giant NDA. Okay? It says that
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: whatever he saw at the hospital while he was working there,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: he could not talk about it.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: Dang.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, so then he starts this giant website, right, in like.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: The early 2000s about organ harvesting.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: And like he starts talking about all this organ harvesting
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: and he says that the hospitals are in on this
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: organ harvesting operation and this body parts operation and then
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: that all the nursing homes are also in on it.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: And it's true, dude. You can look up how many
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: nursing homes have been busted for illegal body parts trafficking. Hundreds, dude,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: have been busted.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: Funeral homes, okay?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: So then he goes on this giant tirade on like
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: all these funeral homes in the area and these hospitals
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: and everything. And then he's looked at as like a
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: giant conspiracy theorist And then they try and take him
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: down for sending the ricin letters to Barack Obama. Oh,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: my gosh.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: All right. Let me look that up.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: So they're trying basically to get rid of him because
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: this organ harvesting thing is becoming a really big issue
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: and a really big deal. And he's raising a lot
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: of stink about this organ harvesting and illegal body parts
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: trafficking that's going on across the United States. So they
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: try to frame him for sending Barack Obama ricin letters. Okay,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: real quick.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to jump to the ricin letters. But let
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: me just– I thought that this was an actor that
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: I recognized. That's why that threw me off, I think.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: All right, anyways. All right, jump to the ricin letters.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: This sounds like a Hollywood movie plot for a movie, bro.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: It does, right?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: It's an insane documentary. It's one of the best Netflix
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: documentaries that they've ever made because they don't try and
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: destroy the conspiracy at the end of the documentary.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: Like how Netflix normally does where they'll build you up
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: and make you think that this is... real and legit
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: to the last 15 minutes of the last episode of
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: the documentary that completely destroys everything that they had previously
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: set up. They don't do this in this movie.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm watching it. I'm definitely watching it. Okay,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Rice and Letters on 2013. On April 15, 2013, an
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: envelope that preliminary documents Preliminarily tested positive for ricin, a
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: highly toxic protein, was intercepted at the U.S. Capitol's off-site
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: mail facility in Washington, D.C. According to reports, the envelope
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: was addressed to the office of Mississippi Senator Roger Wicker.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: Another letter was sent to Sadie Holland, mother of State
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Representative Steve Holland. On April 17, 2013, an envelope addressed
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: to the President of the United States, Barack Obama, Preliminarily
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: tested positive for ricin. Both letters, which were postmarked in Memphis, Tennessee,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: included the phrases, No one wanted to listen to me before.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: There are still missing pieces. Maybe I have your attention now,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: even if that means someone must die. This must stop.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: To see a wrong and not expose it is to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: become a silent partner to its continuance. And I... I
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: am KC, and I approve this message. A third letter
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: mailed to Mississippi Judge Lee County Justice Court Judge Sadie
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Holland that was received and opened on April 10th contained
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: a similar language and was sent for testing. The FBI
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: claimed the letters tested positive for ricin. The event and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: people involved were profiled in the 2024 Netflix docuseries that's
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Kings of Tupelo, a Southern Crime Saga.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: Wild wild okay so essentially what happens is i don't
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: want to ruin the entire documentary uh for people that
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: haven't watched it yet but i highly recommend it well
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: i highly recommend my documentary first and then watch the
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: documentary watch psychic agent the gate program on amazon prime
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: before you watch this one for sure.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: But uh.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: So what happens is is Basically, this guy down here,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: what was his name? James Everett, the taekwondo or the
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: karate instructor. So what had happened was, as he came
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: to town, he opens up this taekwondo and karate studio
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: where he has all these kids and everything come in
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: and sign up for classes and he teaches them taekwondo
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: and karate. So they don't really get into this in
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: the documentary until the end. So he gets caught up
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: in this. They realize that it wasn't really this other guy,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: the Elvis impersonator, that had discovered that it was the–
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: that had found out about the hospital and the organ
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: harvesting that was making a big deal about that. That
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: was basically– the reason that they thought that it was
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: him was because everyone claimed that it was him. Like
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: whenever they were being questioned, they were like, do you
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: know who this could have been? We know that it
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: came from this area. Is there anybody, because they were
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: just going around cold, knocking on people's doors and asking
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: at local businesses, is there anybody that could have sent
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: these letters? And they would say, yes, it's the Elvis impersonator,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: the conspirator. theorist that thinks that all the hospitals around
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: the United States and the funeral homes are a part
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: of illegal organ harvesting and illegal body parts trafficking, right?
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: So they look into him. They think that it's him.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: They even arrest him. So it wasn't until later on
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: that they figured out that it wasn't him, that people
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  Speaker 3: just claimed that it was and they were trying to
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  Speaker 3: set him up. And it turned out that it was
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  Speaker 3: this Taekwondo instructor guy, this karate instructor guy, this James
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  Speaker 3: Everett guy, that had just came into town like not
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  Speaker 3: too long ago, like less than a year or two ago, right?
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  Speaker 3: That it was the one that actually sent the letters
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  Speaker 3: to Barack Obama. And he says that he was a
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  Speaker 3: part of a covert CIA operation.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But he got caught up. So whenever you're a CIA
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  Speaker 3: spy or part of a– you're excommunicated. If you get
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  Speaker 3: caught doing some shit, they cut all ties with you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you never even existed.
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  Speaker 2: You compromised.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly. You compromise, you're caught up, got nothing to
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  Speaker 3: do with you. It's like you didn't even, nothing was
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  Speaker 3: going on with you, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You get a new name, they give you a different name,
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  Speaker 3: they give you a different passport, they give you your agenda,
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  Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do. And he was set up
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  Speaker 3: and basically, in my mind, they don't get into, again,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: they don't get into this in the documentary, but in
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  Speaker 3: my mind was to come and take down Paul Kevin
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  Speaker 3: Curtis here for making a big stink about the illegal
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  Speaker 3: body parts and organ harvesting trafficking that was going on
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  Speaker 3: in the area to frame him as a CIA operation,
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  Speaker 3: as the one taking and giving the rice and letters
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  Speaker 3: and something got screwed up in there. And then he
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  Speaker 3: ended up actually going down for it because he was
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  Speaker 3: the one that was actually doing the operation.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm. Wild. What are the chances they were part of
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  Speaker 2: the gay program?
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  Speaker 3: Some kind of chance, for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a wild one, man. I'm going to have to
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: watch that. I have not heard of that. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: What blows my mind is that in real life, apparently
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: one dude was an Elvis impersonator and the other was
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: a Wayne Newman impersonator or something like that. What? Dude,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: reality is always weirder and more interesting to me. always
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  Speaker 2: it's like i've got friends who you know are authors
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  Speaker 2: or or aspiring authors and and i always tell them
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  Speaker 2: like you know just go with the real story go
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: right just don't worry about the novel man like the
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: the the thing you want to cover that really happened
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  Speaker 2: that's way more interesting in my opinion and i think
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  Speaker 2: in general i think that's where we're headed i think
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  Speaker 2: documentaries are the future. Podcasts that are talking about real
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  Speaker 2: life stuff, real life conspiracies are the future. People are
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: tired of the news. People are tired of Hollywood. I
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: don't think Hollywood's just going to die off completely. I
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: think they'll probably have to, they might. I think they're
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: going to have to reform a lot. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to not be such a big deal. I think
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: it's going to be independent creators like yourself that are
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  Speaker 2: going to be more interesting to watch personally with presenting
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  Speaker 2: real stories and real life conspiracies.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's what people want to hear. And Hollywood isn't
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: about making money anymore. Hollywood is about propagandizing the people.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: They just tell the same stories over and over and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: over again. And they, they towed the official line on
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: every single thing that there is. There's a new JFK
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: movie getting ready to come out. They're doing another JFK movie.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, how many times can we get the official
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: story of JFK? Like the movie's going to bomb. There's
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: no way that it doesn't bomb. And I think that it's.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: They're not going to go with the one bullet theory
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 3: Of course they are.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, come on.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: Of course they are. They know nothing else, and they
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: can't read the room. They can't read the room on
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: what the people want, you know?
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, maybe it will die. I mean, it's dying
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: on the vine as we speak. But, yeah, this is
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: more reason to tune into podcasts, I think. Turn off
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: the news. Listen to podcasts. I've got a show I recommend.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Sixth Century Podcast, of course. My friend here has a
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: show I recommend, Raised by Giants Podcast. And there's many
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: more of us out there that are trying to present
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: the truth. And so you're not getting the same JFK
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: story recycled, regurgitated over and over again with the same busted, broken,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: bunk theories, one bullet theories or whatever the official narrative
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: is on anything. You're not going to get that here,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: and you're not going to get that with Ryder's stuff
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: as well. I highly recommend it. Last thing I want
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: to ask you, a personal question for the director here.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: In your opinion, what's the biggest bomb that was dropped
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: on your film? The thing that hits you the hardest,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest wow?
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: I believe the biggest wow was the documentation that we
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: show in the documentary that proves that they were testing
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  Speaker 3: children in public school for psychic abilities. I think that
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: was the biggest wow. I mean, there are several wows
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: throughout the movie, but that was one of the last
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: things that I found research wise. And it was like,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: the aha moment because I had been looking for it
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: for a really long time. And, you know, I'm talking
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: with people and I'm like, Hey, like I need to
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: find a document that proves that this is exactly what's
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: going on. Because without that, then it seems like, you know,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: conjecture and hyperbole and that is just, you know, we're
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: just talking about people's experiences and regurgitating what other people
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: believed was going on. So, finding that document and showing
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: that document in the movie that, uh, children were tested, uh,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: from kindergarten to the, up to the fifth grade in, uh,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: in public school for psychic abilities, uh, was the highlight
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  Speaker 3: of the movie for me personally, as the filmmaker and
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: as a director.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. There were, there was many, More reason to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: go see it. I think different aspects are going to
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: hit people differently. That one was a big one for me.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: It's showing people the proof. It's like, do you want
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: to know? If you want to know, keep listening. Keep watching.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: If you don't want to know and you want to
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: keep living a life blissfully unaware, I guess then turn
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: it off. But if you want to know, we're here
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: and we're trying to present this stuff for you guys.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Ryder's been on the show at least three times now.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: His documentaries are always awesome. They do just that. If
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: you want to know, they present the truth, I think.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: I put my stamp of approval on all his stuff.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see what you do next, man.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I want to encourage people to
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: go out and watch this film. And this has been great, man.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: It's always awesome talking with you, brother. Anything else you
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: want to wrap up with?
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Tim. Really appreciate it. And I
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: appreciate your audience and giving me a platform to get
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: on here and talk about whatever comes up. These are
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: my favorite types of shows. I hope people really enjoyed it.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: And I hope people. go to Amazon prime and watch
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: the movie. Again, you can rent it for, you said
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: less than a, you can rent it twice for less
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: than a, what you can spend it for a couple
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: of copy. Uh, and if you would like to grab
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: a copy of the physical DVD, I have that available
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: as well. And if, uh, people would like to reach
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: out to me and they can order a physical copy, uh,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: of the movie uh psychic agent the gate program reach
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  Speaker 3: out to me at raised by giants at outlook.com if
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  Speaker 3: you're interested in a physical copy and we can arrange
• 2:07:03
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• 2:07:05
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  Speaker 3: and on all of his social media and stuff too
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: and it's a great way to stay connected On Instagram,
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: on X, and on Facebook. And thanks so much. Really
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: appreciate it.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, brother. We'll do it again sometime. We'll end
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: it with that. The latest film, Psychic Agent, The Gate Program,
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  Speaker 2: available now on Amazon Prime. Ladies and gentlemen, go and
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: check that out. Until next time, break the mold, conquer
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  Speaker 2: the realm, and thanks for listening.