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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. Its cast
- 0:06S1: and crew come as you are, an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew. Winter metaphors to illustrate spiritual gifts. Looks like
- 0:53S1: it's metaphor day all the way around. Jonathan's going to
- 0:56S1: be up and get your stories ready for him. We've
- 0:58S1: had a fun day here, man. Okay, so I use
- 1:01S1: this metaphor early on here. Hour, hour and a half ago,
- 1:04S1: something like that. That in cross-country skiing you've got. So
- 1:09S1: all these skis are cambered or bent, right? So cross-country
- 1:13S1: skis are bent so that when you put your pressure
- 1:18S1: down on one foot, you get traction with that ski.
- 1:24S1: If you have something called kicker, underneath that kicker is
- 1:28S1: a wax and you have different waxes, blue, green, orange,
- 1:33S1: and then you even get into something called klister that
- 1:35S1: looks like you're putting almost like jelly, a really stiff
- 1:39S1: jelly on the bottom of your skis. Isn't that interesting?
- 1:42S2: So is this like, if you are into this sport,
- 1:46S2: is this common like that? This is what you're talking about.
- 1:49S1: Everybody uses it. Everybody uses it. If you're doing classical ski,
- 1:53S1: cross country, ski racing, you have to have both glide wax.
- 1:58S1: That gives you the ability to flow freely down a
- 2:02S1: hill or across the flat and kicker right underneath your foot.
- 2:06S1: So when you put your pressure down to climb a hill,
- 2:08S1: let's say there's traction there. So it's yeah, it's universally
- 2:12S1: known for anyone cross country skiing for sure, which isn't
- 2:15S1: a lot of people listening. But if you are, you're,
- 2:19S1: you're smiling with me because you know what kicker is?
- 2:21S1: That's cool. So something a little more universal from winter is,
- 2:26S1: have you ever been stuck on the side of a road?
- 2:29S1: And the only thing that's going to get you out
- 2:32S1: is a set of chains. Well, that happens a lot.
- 2:35S2: Oh, yeah.
- 2:36S1: And chains are critical, man. You got to have them
- 2:40S1: in some cold regions of the United States and Canada
- 2:44S1: for sure. And now, you know, you got high tech
- 2:51S1: studded tires are still used in some colder regions. And for,
- 2:56S1: for some of you in Florida, you never seen a
- 2:58S1: studded diary in your life, but these are real implements
- 3:01S1: that help us get traction when otherwise we wouldn't have it.
- 3:07S1: The church, by and large, has had about anywhere from
- 3:11S1: 50 to 60% of people that are spinning out. They
- 3:16S1: really love the Lord, but they don't know or even
- 3:20S1: utilize their spiritual gifts. And we are watching God do
- 3:24S1: something amazing this week. Ali.
- 3:26S2: It really it's been really fun. A big part of
- 3:29S2: this week has been this assessment that Drew Dickens worked
- 3:32S2: with AI. To come up with that just very clearly,
- 3:35S2: succinctly allows you to go through a series of questions
- 3:38S2: that help identify what are my primary spiritual gifts. There's
- 3:42S2: about 25 questions in this little assessment, and it has
- 3:46S2: been taken far and wide, thousands of you discovering your
- 3:50S2: spiritual gifts or maybe confirming what you already knew.
- 3:53S1: Yeah. And I mean, two days ago, it was 8000
- 3:56S1: and change. And that was the day that it was released.
- 4:00S1: This is staggering, which is so encouraging because you, the
- 4:03S1: boom crew, you want to know what spiritual gifts were,
- 4:07S1: were I given? What what did God give me and
- 4:10S1: how do I utilize him now? What he did with
- 4:12S1: this is he did something. And Young Thunder, you got
- 4:15S1: a kick out of this part of the tool. He
- 4:17S1: gave some ideation for how in the world you might
- 4:20S1: be able to use this thing in the body of Christ?
- 4:22S3: Yeah. I thought this was really cool. It had it
- 4:24S3: had both uses inside and outside the walls of the church.
- 4:29S3: And so I thought this was really great because yeah,
- 4:32S3: sometimes you, you feel pretty confident in what your gift
- 4:35S3: is and how it might be used. But there are
- 4:36S3: times where, you know, for me, I was surprised about
- 4:39S3: one of the gifts. It told me that I was
- 4:41S3: strong in. I didn't know that one. And it said, hey,
- 4:44S3: here's how you could use this. And that was really
- 4:47S3: exciting to me because I'm learning something new for the
- 4:49S3: first time. It wasn't just, hey, here's this thing, now
- 4:52S3: go out and do something with it. Yeah. It was, hey,
- 4:54S3: here's some things you can do with this.
- 4:57S1: What was that one? Do you mind if I.
- 4:58S3: Yeah. It was exhortation. Um, and I didn't know that
- 5:01S3: that was one of my gifts and, but it made
- 5:04S3: sense to me when I saw it and it said, hey,
- 5:08S3: outside the walls of your church, maybe you can be
- 5:11S3: the person who's texting, encouraging scriptures at the right time
- 5:14S3: to people in your circle. And I was like, oh,
- 5:17S3: that makes a lot of sense. I that sounds like
- 5:20S3: something I would enjoy doing.
- 5:22S1: Yes.
- 5:22S3: And so I, I think that that's a really cool
- 5:25S3: thing that God can work through. And at the end
- 5:29S3: it says, For God's glory and your joy. I love
- 5:32S3: that on the, on the assessment after each gift, it says,
- 5:35S3: For God's glory and your joy, just giving you kind
- 5:37S3: of a little, a little charge, a little encouragement to
- 5:40S3: jump into that gift because it's for God's glory and
- 5:43S3: it's for your joy.
- 5:44S1: Yeah. Just love this guys. I mean, so we've had
- 5:48S1: over ten 000 of you download this and actually use
- 5:52S1: it that that's a bunch more have already downloaded it
- 5:55S1: and not used it. But over 10,000 of you have
- 5:58S1: gone to this tool and used it. It is free.
- 6:02S1: There's no spamming, there's no passcode, there's no give me
- 6:06S1: your email. It's just come and get it. How cool
- 6:09S1: is that, Ali?
- 6:10S2: Just text drew to 805 557898. We're happy to send
- 6:15S2: it to you. Just text drew DREW to 805 557898.
- 6:22S5: It's Carl and crew on Moody radio.
- 6:25S1: So is God really who you think he is now?
- 6:30S1: A lot of us, because of what culture thinks, we
- 6:34S1: forget what God says and why it matters for you.
- 6:38S1: But pinning this down, who is God and does it
- 6:42S1: really matter? Todd is a friend and a guest here
- 6:45S1: with us right now. Todd. This matters, doesn't it?
- 6:49S6: Oh man. Charles, thanks for having me on. Absolutely. It
- 6:52S6: matters because your relationship with God is, uh, is going
- 6:56S6: to determine everything else in life. And so how you
- 6:59S6: view God is going to determine how you relate to
- 7:03S6: God and with God. And so here's, here's been my concern,
- 7:06S6: and I'm sure yours as well as we see this,
- 7:09S6: the growing impact of the culture upon our view of God.
- 7:14S6: The culture has got its own views, and little by
- 7:16S6: little we're absorbing those same views without even knowing it.
- 7:20S6: And it started to scare me when I started hearing
- 7:22S6: about people deconstructing their faith. And I mean, why are
- 7:25S6: they doing that? Well, they're doing that because they don't
- 7:28S6: believe anymore in the God that they were told exists.
- 7:31S6: They wanted instead to make up a version of God
- 7:34S6: that was more comfortable for them. So as I started
- 7:37S6: to look at this, I realized, man, every one of
- 7:39S6: us are are susceptible to this if we're not careful.
- 7:43S1: Yeah. And it's, that's an interesting phenomenon. My take on
- 7:46S1: this one, Todd, is I think you're right. I think
- 7:49S1: that they're deconstructing a God that doesn't exist in Scripture.
- 7:53S1: And therefore, most of these people, quote, deconstructing got the
- 7:57S1: air quotes going. There are really not deconstructing authentic faith.
- 8:03S1: They're deconstructing an impotent God that isn't even a god
- 8:06S1: of the scriptures. What do you think?
- 8:09S6: That's exactly right. And the reason they don't any longer
- 8:12S6: view the God of the scriptures because they don't like
- 8:14S6: that God or that's part of it. The other part
- 8:17S6: of it is they're just life circumstances have dealt them
- 8:20S6: some blows that they don't understand. And they thought God
- 8:23S6: was going to protect them from all of that. Or
- 8:26S6: they have been very devout and performance based in their faith,
- 8:30S6: doing all the right things, thinking this will earn God's approval,
- 8:33S6: and then it doesn't come through for them the way
- 8:36S6: they want or expect it to. And now they begin
- 8:38S6: to question, well, who is this God anyhow? And you
- 8:41S6: see that surface often, uh, people who go through pain
- 8:44S6: and suffering and want some answers, like why, God, why
- 8:47S6: are you allowing this? And if they don't get the
- 8:50S6: kind of answers that satisfy them, they begin to reinterpret God,
- 8:54S6: and that can go in all kinds of different directions.
- 8:56S6: And the culture reinforces that every single day of our lives.
- 8:59S1: Todd, is burner my guest right now. Todd, here's let's
- 9:03S1: get into the deep water here. There is a perception
- 9:06S1: of God that God is loving. He is. He is
- 9:09S1: absolutely loving. But that that love extends to encompass any proclivities, whims, desires,
- 9:19S1: idols that I have, that he's content with those things.
- 9:23S1: And it's manifested in a lot of ways. We've seen
- 9:25S1: a big sexual revolution. Now, it's not about free sex.
- 9:29S1: It is still there, but it's about distorted sexuality, sexual identity, uh,
- 9:37S1: under identity. This is tough because I think we've been
- 9:43S1: so inundated with angry evangelicals in the church. Two things
- 9:47S1: need to happen. Number one, we need to love people,
- 9:51S1: but we can't embrace all of these idols of our day.
- 9:56S1: How do we delineate between those? Because a lot of
- 9:59S1: people want a God that's good with anything they do.
- 10:03S6: MM. Yeah. The all accepting, you know, all approving, non-judgmental. God,
- 10:08S6: that's the God we want him to be. Why? Well,
- 10:11S6: that way it can justify my behavior. I get to
- 10:14S6: be in control of what I believe are good morals
- 10:17S6: for me. And that might be completely different than what
- 10:20S6: you think, Carl, but it doesn't really matter because I
- 10:23S6: get to say in this because after all, God gets me.
- 10:26S6: He understands me. He knows where I'm coming from. Those
- 10:30S6: are the lies that go through our head, meaning God
- 10:33S6: is not going to judge me. God is only going
- 10:36S6: to accept and love me because he promises he's the
- 10:38S6: God who's got this unconditional love. So we really get
- 10:42S6: that mixed up. And again, the culture reinforces that all
- 10:45S6: the time. Like you're not to be judgmental, you're to
- 10:47S6: be all accepting. And that way you get to determine
- 10:51S6: what's best for you. Don't worry about anybody else. Just like,
- 10:54S6: what do I decide is good for me? And the
- 10:56S6: problem is that we've drifted away from who God says
- 11:00S6: he is. He is all loving, but he's also very
- 11:05S6: clear about his purity and his holiness and the requirements
- 11:08S6: on us to live a life of godliness. And when
- 11:11S6: we drift away from that, we're drifting away from the
- 11:13S6: God who really is, rather than the God we want
- 11:16S6: him to be.
- 11:17S1: You know, I've said now for years, every precept, every commandment,
- 11:21S1: every teaching that you find in the scriptures is inextricably
- 11:27S1: linked to greater joy that is found in this world
- 11:31S1: and in God. How do we pitch to people who
- 11:35S1: want to umbrella God over all their. Let's just use
- 11:39S1: the word idols, the idolatry in their life. How do
- 11:43S1: we pitch to them a God who's not narrow, but
- 11:46S1: a God who has commands that are good for us?
- 11:50S6: I think the the clearest, most vivid example of who
- 11:55S6: God is in that regard is to look at Jesus.
- 11:58S6: I mean, let's just read the Gospels and find out
- 12:01S6: who Jesus really is and what he says about that.
- 12:04S6: You know, Jesus talks about hell more than anywhere else
- 12:07S6: in the Bible. Yes. You can't get the average person
- 12:10S6: today to even believe in hell anymore. So that means
- 12:13S6: then I don't believe what Jesus said. Why don't I
- 12:15S6: believe what Jesus said? Well, because maybe I don't really
- 12:17S6: believe the scriptures are real. And that's where the problem
- 12:20S6: comes in. If we want people to really get back
- 12:22S6: to the basics and experience the relationship that God wants
- 12:26S6: with us and for us, we have to go to Jesus.
- 12:29S6: We've got to understand who Jesus is, why he came,
- 12:32S6: what it has to do with me, and how now
- 12:35S6: I'm able to enter into a relationship with God that
- 12:38S6: is far more intimate, far more satisfying, and I can
- 12:42S6: literally feel the embrace of God around me when I
- 12:45S6: walk in the truth of who he is based on
- 12:48S6: who Jesus revealed him to be.
- 12:50S1: Do you believe that the average disciple of Christ. So
- 12:53S1: I'm talking genuinely born again person. Do you believe that
- 12:57S1: their thoughts of God are are too shaped by what
- 13:04S1: culture thinks? And if so, what do we need to
- 13:09S1: do about that?
- 13:10S6: Yeah, absolutely. First and foremost, we need to be honest
- 13:13S6: about it. Stop fooling yourself that somehow culture isn't affecting you.
- 13:17S6: I mean, look at everything else in life. You've accepted
- 13:20S6: cultural standards or rules or behaviors or lifestyles without even knowing.
- 13:27S6: I've got a smartphone sitting in front of me. I
- 13:29S6: didn't have a vote on whether or not I was
- 13:31S6: going to accept the smartphone into my life. Culture said,
- 13:33S6: this is the way it is. So we all have
- 13:36S6: smartphones and it's a cultural adaptation. I oftentimes think if
- 13:41S6: we really are serious about not wanting to get polluted
- 13:44S6: by culture, we're just we're never going to be honest
- 13:48S6: with ourselves. It's like putting a white shirt on, walking
- 13:51S6: into a coal mine and saying, well, I can go
- 13:53S6: through here and come out on the other side without
- 13:54S6: any smudges. Really? No, you're exposed to the cultural influence.
- 13:58S6: You will be smudged by the cultures thinking, so where
- 14:01S6: do we start? We go right back to the scriptures. Yeah.
- 14:04S6: You know, for those who who don't believe the scriptures
- 14:07S6: are the Word of God from God. Well, that's the
- 14:10S6: dividing point. That's where the separation is going to take place.
- 14:13S6: And I'm constantly arguing for the veracity of God's word
- 14:16S6: because people just like, I don't understand it, I don't
- 14:20S6: like it, I don't, I don't want it. Okay, well
- 14:22S6: then how are you going to really, truly know who
- 14:24S6: God is? So, I mean, that's the first and foremost thing.
- 14:27S6: We've got to go back to Scripture, and we've got
- 14:29S6: to ask God for the Holy Spirit. And that only
- 14:33S6: comes after we repent and truly repent and are cleansed
- 14:37S6: by what Jesus did for us on the cross.
- 14:39S1: Amen. Todd is my guest right now. Todd, what are
- 14:44S1: some of the foundational things about what Scripture says God
- 14:50S1: is that we need to be anchored by. Give me
- 14:54S1: a top few that we've got to be anchored right here.
- 14:58S6: Well, again, culture has told us that God is distant.
- 15:02S6: He's impersonal. He's really not involved in our everyday lives. Yes,
- 15:06S6: cosmic force out there. He's the universe. And I can
- 15:09S6: tap in only when I want something. But I don't
- 15:11S6: have a personal relationship. The Bible is the complete opposite,
- 15:14S6: the revelation of who God is. God says he's closer
- 15:17S6: than the air we breathe. You can't read Psalm 139
- 15:21S6: and come away thinking, oh my goodness, Lord God, you
- 15:25S6: are everywhere. I cannot escape his presence. Now you might say, well,
- 15:29S6: I don't feel his presence. Well, oftentimes we don't feel
- 15:32S6: his presence because we have a separation between us and
- 15:35S6: God because of our sin. So it's like God can
- 15:38S6: be it's like me sitting in a room in a
- 15:40S6: waiting room with somebody I've got absolutely nothing in common with.
- 15:44S6: We start a conversation that can go nowhere because we
- 15:46S6: have nothing in common. God is everywhere. But we might
- 15:49S6: not sense his presence because right now we're separated because
- 15:52S6: of our sin. But that doesn't mean he's not there.
- 15:55S6: He's there. And the fact that we want to believe
- 15:58S6: that God is this all accepting, he will just take
- 16:01S6: me as I am. I don't really need to change.
- 16:04S6: That's not what you find in the Bible. You find
- 16:06S6: that God is wanting a transformation within us so that
- 16:11S6: we can experience all that he has for us, that
- 16:13S6: we can be useful and fulfilling our purpose. And you
- 16:17S6: can't do that if you keep believing that. Well, he
- 16:20S6: doesn't really require anything of me. There isn't really anything
- 16:22S6: I really need to change unless I want to change it.
- 16:25S6: How about we go back to God's Word and see
- 16:27S6: what he wants and what he knows is best for us?
- 16:29S6: Because after all, he created us, so he ought to
- 16:32S6: know what's best for us, right? There's one more I
- 16:34S6: got to hit on, because this one hits me all
- 16:36S6: the time that God is this this transactional deal maker.
- 16:40S6: He's kind of like a spiritual vending machine. I put
- 16:42S6: in my tokens of good behavior or lots of faith
- 16:44S6: and prayer. And I expect that God's going to give
- 16:47S6: me what I want. That's not who you find in
- 16:49S6: the Bible. God does not make deals. He is a
- 16:52S6: God of grace. He's a God of restoration. He's a
- 16:55S6: God of unlimited love and purpose for you. But you
- 16:59S6: don't make deals with God. God is God, and we
- 17:03S6: don't go into a transactional relationship. God is interested in
- 17:06S6: a real relationship based on his grace, his mercy, and
- 17:09S6: his love.
- 17:11S1: Many people in our culture today are rejecting God because
- 17:15S1: they would look at the lives of Christians and say,
- 17:18S1: your outcomes or your situations or your calamities are no
- 17:25S1: different than the average guy on the street. Why would
- 17:29S1: your God, who you claim is personal, allow just as
- 17:34S1: many bad things to happen to you as to me?
- 17:37S1: Why would I need to get close to him? If
- 17:40S1: you go through the same stuff I'm trying to avoid.
- 17:44S6: Yeah. There's no escaping trouble in the world. That's just
- 17:47S6: the way it is. It's a it's a sin filled,
- 17:50S6: fallen world where we're all getting hit by the consequences.
- 17:53S6: So I can blame God for that. Uh, if I
- 17:56S6: don't trust God. And that's oftentimes where people end up like,
- 18:00S6: I don't get it. I don't understand it. You're going
- 18:02S6: through the same junk I'm going through. You claim to
- 18:04S6: go to church and know God and read the Bible
- 18:06S6: and all that, but I don't see any difference in that. Well,
- 18:09S6: that's basically because we really think we somehow can figure
- 18:12S6: out all the answers to what are always going to
- 18:15S6: remain mysteries. You're never going to have the solid, clear
- 18:18S6: cut answer that you want for why sin and consequences
- 18:23S6: and suffering take place in your life. But there is
- 18:26S6: an answer to that. And the answer is Jesus Christ.
- 18:29S6: Because if I can get my eyes off of my
- 18:31S6: conditions and onto Jesus Christ, I'm going to see something
- 18:34S6: completely different. I'm not going to have to have this
- 18:37S6: demand for answers to know exactly why this stuff is happening.
- 18:41S6: Years ago, I was in church with my adult daughter
- 18:44S6: and she was going through a really miserable time for
- 18:48S6: kids as a single mom. And she turned to me
- 18:50S6: and said, dad, I just don't get it. I mean,
- 18:53S6: I is God punishing me? Have I done something wrong
- 18:56S6: that I just, you know, I've lost favor with God.
- 18:59S6: We're not going to answer that in a few seconds.
- 19:00S6: But you can say God loves you and. Honey, we're
- 19:04S6: not going to have all the answers for this, but
- 19:05S6: we can pull in from the grace of God, his
- 19:08S6: strength to get through it. He's right here with us.
- 19:11S6: He'll walk through it with us. We may not have
- 19:13S6: an answer as to why all of it is happening,
- 19:15S6: but we have to believe that God is trustworthy. He's
- 19:19S6: got purpose and plans in all of this that we
- 19:22S6: can't see clearly right now. But it will become clear someday.
- 19:25S6: And in the meantime, are we willing to trust the
- 19:27S6: God who says he loves us?
- 19:29S1: Was your daughter able to go down the path to stretch,
- 19:32S1: look back and see his hand?
- 19:35S6: She did. You know, it took it took some ups
- 19:36S6: and downs along the way. But little by little she
- 19:39S6: soaked herself in the truth of who God is as
- 19:42S6: he revealed himself in His Word. That's what strengthened her
- 19:46S6: faith and allowed her to go through it without having
- 19:49S6: to have the answers as to why this is happening. Instead,
- 19:52S6: she grew to a place of saying, God, you are God,
- 19:55S6: and I trust you, and you made me, and I
- 19:57S6: know that you'll help me get through this. That's where
- 19:59S6: she came to, and I'm so proud of her. She's
- 20:02S6: raised some incredible kids, I'll tell you that.
- 20:04S1: You know, there's it's an interesting thing because we live
- 20:07S1: in a world today that we have our own takes
- 20:11S1: on God. I hear this in good Bible preaching churches
- 20:14S1: all the time. We have we have hot takes on
- 20:17S1: God that are not consistent with Scripture. And it would
- 20:23S1: seem to me, Todd, that maybe the best gift we
- 20:27S1: can give people is this notion that we can fly
- 20:32S1: by the seat of our pants isn't going to cut it,
- 20:34S1: but we're going to have to get into the study
- 20:37S1: of the character and the qualities of God in order
- 20:41S1: to get through those tough things in life. We got
- 20:44S1: to get bedrock on that, don't we?
- 20:46S6: Yeah. You're so right. You know, A.W. Tozer is one
- 20:49S6: of my favorite authors. You've, I'm sure, read his books
- 20:51S6: as well. He's got a couple volumes on the attributes
- 20:54S6: of God, and I've probably have read them several times.
- 20:57S6: And I still sit in absolute awe of how big
- 21:01S6: God is. And our problem is that we've, we've tried
- 21:04S6: to shrink God into an image that we want him
- 21:06S6: to be rather than acknowledge the God that he is.
- 21:09S6: He's so much greater, so much bigger, and his attributes
- 21:14S6: are so worthy of being studied and looked at and trusted.
- 21:19S6: And so again, I say, let's go back to the
- 21:21S6: word and take a look at who he says he
- 21:23S6: really is. And as we do, our our faith is deepened,
- 21:27S6: our trust grows stronger. Uh, our awareness of who he
- 21:31S6: really is begins to expand beyond us. And it starts
- 21:34S6: to spill over to others. And we don't have to
- 21:36S6: have all the answers. We just need to believe God
- 21:40S6: is who he says he is. He is the God
- 21:42S6: of love. He's the sovereign God in control of everything,
- 21:45S6: whether I like it or not, or whether I understand
- 21:47S6: it or not.
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- 23:01S5: You're listening to Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 23:05S1: Well, if we want to get an overview and fly by,
- 23:07S1: we got to get some guns in here for looking
- 23:10S1: for St Peter here.
- 23:11S2: Ali doctor John Davis is joining us this morning, associate
- 23:14S2: professor of applied theology and church ministries here at Moody.
- 23:18S2: He served as a Navy chaplain for the past 14 years,
- 23:22S2: sharing the gospel and caring for people in the context
- 23:24S2: of military life.
- 23:26S1: Wow. You got to give us a story about that.
- 23:28S1: What's that all about?
- 23:30S7: That's a great I love the military. Still in the
- 23:32S7: Navy as a reservist serving our our Marines and sailors.
- 23:35S7: And actually we're talking about first, Peter, this was the
- 23:38S7: last sermon series I did in my last deployment with
- 23:41S7: Marines and sailors was on First Peter. We were stuck
- 23:43S7: on a ship in the middle of Covid in the
- 23:46S7: Red sea, and we thought, well, how do we think
- 23:48S7: through faithfully about living for the gospel, even when you're
- 23:51S7: stuck in a hard place? And so, wow, we were
- 23:54S7: preaching through first Peter, and it was really a wonderful
- 23:56S7: thing to see how God used his word during that time.
- 23:59S8: Oh, what's the.
- 24:00S1: Receptivity of sailors on a ship when they're stuck at sea?
- 24:03S7: Well, during that time we couldn't go to port or anything,
- 24:06S7: so we, uh, we just.
- 24:08S1: Had a captive audience.
- 24:09S7: Captive audience. And when many churches were closing, we had
- 24:11S7: more chapel services and more folks coming to chapel. So
- 24:13S7: it was, it was really a neat, a neat opportunity.
- 24:16S2: Wow. What's been the most rewarding thing for you these
- 24:19S2: past 14 years in this role?
- 24:21S7: Yeah, you know, I, I think simple things like breaking
- 24:25S7: God's Word open with individuals and in unique places, whether
- 24:28S7: that's on a ship in the middle of Iraq or Afghanistan,
- 24:31S7: in a small village with some Marines and sailors, just
- 24:35S7: letting them see how God's Word can meet them in
- 24:38S7: those really unique and hard places.
- 24:40S1: Tell us about Afghanistan. Did you get any word of
- 24:43S1: the underground church there? Did you have any hint of
- 24:45S1: that at all what God might be doing there? I
- 24:47S1: know you were in a totally different context, but anything.
- 24:50S7: Right? Yeah. I mean, we we did hear of things
- 24:52S7: of how God was moving and, um, you know, that
- 24:55S7: gave us for believers that were working even in the military,
- 24:58S7: a sense of purpose for why we were there to
- 25:01S7: create space for people to be able to be faithful
- 25:04S7: to the gospel in their own lives.
- 25:06S1: You know, that chokes me up. That's a powerful thing, John.
- 25:09S1: That's really powerful. Where did you get your doctorate from?
- 25:12S7: Gordon-conwell.
- 25:13S1: Oh, man. You got it from the preacher's school. That's right.
- 25:16S1: Was had was heading Robinson president there when you were there?
- 25:19S7: He was one of my professors when I was a
- 25:22S7: MDiv student there. So yeah. Yeah. Loved, loved having him
- 25:26S7: teach us how to preach.
- 25:27S1: He was a dear friend of mine. Yeah. And what
- 25:29S1: a preacher. Okay. All right, let's jump into it, shall we?
- 25:33S1: Come on. You're getting in the deep weeds here of
- 25:35S1: First Peter four seven through 11. It begins with the
- 25:39S1: end of all things is at hand. Ali reads this
- 25:42S1: little portion of scripture.
- 25:43S2: This is first Peter four seven through 11. It says,
- 25:46S2: the end of all things is at hand. Therefore, be
- 25:49S2: self-controlled and sober minded for the sake of your prayers.
- 25:53S2: Above all, keep loving one another earnestly. Since love covers
- 25:57S2: a multitude of sins, show hospitality to one another without grumbling.
- 26:01S2: As each has received a gift. Use it to serve
- 26:04S2: one another as good stewards of God's varied grace. Whoever
- 26:07S2: speaks as one who speaks oracles of God, whoever serves
- 26:11S2: as one who serves by the strength that God supplies
- 26:14S2: in order that in everything God may be glorified through
- 26:17S2: Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
- 26:21S1: Oh, what a passage! How rich. Now, doc, here's the deal.
- 26:25S1: The dispersed who Peter was writing to could not have
- 26:29S1: imagined that 2000 years later, we'd be breaking this down
- 26:33S1: here today.
- 26:34S7: Absolutely.
- 26:34S8: So what was going on?
- 26:36S1: Let's be honest, exegetes hear of God's word. What's going
- 26:40S1: on in the in Peter's mind and in the listener's mind?
- 26:44S7: Yeah. You know, it's a real significant theme throughout this
- 26:47S7: whole book. Is this word suffering? You know, Christians who
- 26:50S7: are trying to be faithful in their daily lives for
- 26:52S7: Jesus when the society around them, even the leaders politically
- 26:57S7: around them, may be threatening them physically or verbally imprisoning them, potentially.
- 27:02S7: And so how do they look to Jesus as an
- 27:05S7: example to navigate that really challenging suffering? How do they
- 27:09S7: entrust their lives to a God who can sustain them
- 27:11S7: through that?
- 27:12S1: You know, it's intriguing. Rome hadn't burned to the ground
- 27:15S1: yet when this was written, but it was about to.
- 27:18S1: And Nero would take that, I believe, as an opportunity.
- 27:21S1: He didn't even suspect the Christians burned Rome to the ground.
- 27:25S1: But he took that as an opportunity to take persecution
- 27:28S1: from one level to the next, and it became horrific.
- 27:31S1: This was a amazing letter then written considering the timeliness
- 27:35S1: of all those events.
- 27:36S7: Yeah, absolutely. It's when they're questioning what's next and who
- 27:40S7: do they trust when all of these threats are around them,
- 27:43S7: this letter meets them right in the midst of that.
- 27:45S2: The idea that self-control and sober mindedness for the sake
- 27:50S2: of your prayers, what's the link between the two? Like
- 27:54S2: how how are our prayers affected by our self-control?
- 27:58S7: Yeah, I love these. You know, when he says the
- 28:00S7: end of all things is near at hand, it's like
- 28:03S7: things are serious. We need to be ready. And when
- 28:06S7: you are ready for things, especially as you prepare yourself
- 28:09S7: for Jesus's return, where are your thoughts during those times?
- 28:13S7: And these two words are really powerful. Self-Controlled and sober minded.
- 28:17S7: They both have an idea of our thoughts. Sometimes we
- 28:21S7: have to think about are our thoughts in safe and
- 28:23S7: sound places? That's that first word self-controlled. So am I
- 28:27S7: thinking about what I'm letting shape my thoughts? And then
- 28:31S7: the next word, they're sober minded, is really more like
- 28:34S7: this idea of being free from outside distractions. And so
- 28:38S7: my prayers in hard times are shaped a lot of
- 28:43S7: by what I'm thinking about and what I'm not allowing
- 28:45S7: to shape my thoughts. And so Peter says, for the
- 28:49S7: sake of your prayers, keep your minds free from distractions
- 28:52S7: and deceptions that could draw you away from the Lord.
- 28:55S7: And keep your minds on things that are are of
- 28:58S7: saving worth, that are safe and sound. The actual word
- 29:00S7: there is as a way of translating that word.
- 29:03S1: Do you think the persecuted church had a challenge with hospitality?
- 29:07S1: Because he goes on, you know what I'm saying? You
- 29:10S1: would you would think it would kind of be an
- 29:12S1: open door policy. But he goes on to talk about,
- 29:14S1: you know, be loving one another and be sure to
- 29:16S1: be hospitable. And I guess hospitality doesn't come naturally in
- 29:21S1: any environment, right?
- 29:23S7: You know, when you are feel like you're under threat. Well,
- 29:25S7: this is probably true for us in any area of life.
- 29:26S7: But when we're under threat, we feel vulnerable. We often
- 29:30S7: hunker down versus open up. And so when Peter says
- 29:33S7: something like this beautiful word for hospitality, like family love
- 29:37S7: towards outsiders. That's kind of what that word really means.
- 29:40S7: And it's this idea of being willing to open up
- 29:42S7: as God has opened up to us, even when we
- 29:44S7: may feel threatened, when we feel exposed and vulnerable. And
- 29:49S7: so Peter says, if you're going to be ready for
- 29:51S7: the time is at hand, open up your lives with
- 29:53S7: the gospel and even towards those who are outsiders and
- 29:56S7: different than you.
- 29:57S2: And then it touches on the gifts. These would be
- 30:00S2: the spiritual gifts that each believer would have received and
- 30:04S2: how to use them. Speak to that.
- 30:06S7: Yeah, I love this. It comes right at it's interesting.
- 30:09S7: It comes right after that little phrase about hospitality. Do
- 30:11S7: this hospitality without grumbling. And then he says, as each
- 30:15S7: has received a gift. Really, as each of you has
- 30:17S7: received God's grace to you. And this gift of grace
- 30:21S7: has a purpose and it has a stewardship. I love
- 30:24S7: that word he says. You are called to be stewards
- 30:27S7: of God's gracious gift to you and some really particular ways,
- 30:32S7: ways in which we speak to one another out of
- 30:34S7: God's Word. Ways that we serve each other, even in
- 30:39S7: ways that we don't feel like we've got the strength
- 30:41S7: or competency to do it. We serve one another. As
- 30:44S7: with I love that phrase by the strength that God supplies.
- 30:47S1: You know, it's interesting. This is almost it sounds very Pauline.
- 30:51S1: It sounds, doesn't it? How are we going to get
- 30:53S1: this challenge fixed? I estimate I'm a pastor of two
- 30:59S1: campuses here in Chicagoland, and I would estimate we're doing
- 31:04S1: better than most, which is a very dangerous phrase. Better
- 31:07S1: than most can be really dangerous. I would say we've
- 31:11S1: got probably 40% of our people have identified spiritual gifts,
- 31:17S1: but the majority I don't know that have could say
- 31:21S1: if I walked up to him. What spiritual gift has
- 31:23S1: God given you? Was that way more common? I mean,
- 31:27S1: there's an assumption here by Peter that they almost know
- 31:29S1: the gift, right? Mhm.
- 31:31S7: Yeah. I mean, there's it seems to be that the
- 31:33S7: way he talks about it is that there's some of
- 31:35S7: you that are going to speak, and then some of
- 31:38S7: you are going to serve. But the word he gives
- 31:40S7: before that is you're going to you're all going to serve.
- 31:42S7: So it's like, you know, you serve the body of
- 31:45S7: Christ in these particular ways that God's gifted you. But,
- 31:48S7: you know, I think one of the things that sometimes
- 31:50S7: we may struggle with is this question of why. Why
- 31:53S7: do people why do we talk to them about spiritual gifts?
- 31:55S7: What's the point? And I love in this passage, it
- 31:58S7: does sound like something Paul would say, but he says,
- 32:01S7: in order that in everything God may be glorified through
- 32:04S7: Jesus Christ. The purpose of our spiritual gifts is not
- 32:08S7: just so we feel a sense of personal fulfillment, but
- 32:11S7: it actually is because as as Peter says throughout this letter,
- 32:15S7: so that people would see your acts and glorify the father.
- 32:18S7: So this big question of why? Why do we talk
- 32:21S7: about spiritual gifts? Because it's something about our lives or
- 32:23S7: about us, something bigger than just our own story. They're
- 32:25S7: about God's big story.
- 32:28S1: You know, Ali, how rich is this time right now?
- 32:31S2: This is this is wonderful.
- 32:33S1: And you've got such a pastoral vibe. Doc, it is
- 32:37S1: so cool to listen to you talk. What do you say?
- 32:42S1: Let's go full pastoral to the people, vast majority of
- 32:46S1: which love the Lord. They love the Lord. They know
- 32:50S1: that God's unmerited favor and unparalleled power has been displayed
- 32:54S1: in their life. But many. And I think it's because
- 32:58S1: we've created a spectator Christianity rather than a participation. Christianity
- 33:03S1: started about 300 A.D., right? Right. Um, but what do
- 33:07S1: we do now to the person that feels like, shoot,
- 33:10S1: I would really love to know my gift and use
- 33:12S1: it in a way that glorifies God doesn't because you're right.
- 33:16S1: The big aim oftentimes with gifts is self-fulfillment, but God
- 33:20S1: glorifying use of gifts. How does someone go find their gifts? Yeah.
- 33:25S7: You know, I think this context, right, that we've see
- 33:28S7: right before, this is a helpful reminder very tangibly. And
- 33:32S7: let me just say this. It says in these, like,
- 33:35S7: for instance, he just talks about hospitality. When God invites
- 33:38S7: you to open up your lives towards other people around
- 33:40S7: you that are different, the way in which you interact
- 33:44S7: with them, and the way the Lord strengthens you to
- 33:46S7: interact with them, will often expose or show you the
- 33:49S7: giftings that the Lord has given to you. Whether that's
- 33:52S7: God particularly gifts you with a word of encouragement to
- 33:55S7: that neighbor who is really down this week. And you know,
- 33:58S7: you don't really even think much of it. You're just
- 33:59S7: praying for them. And the Lord seems to prompt you
- 34:01S7: to say something across the fence to them. You know,
- 34:04S7: that's a wonderful example of you're not overly thinking about it.
- 34:07S7: You're just walking with the spirit. You're trying to be
- 34:09S7: faithful in prayer. This idea of loving one another, earnestly stretching, stretching,
- 34:15S7: love where I'm saying, okay, who are the people in
- 34:17S7: my life? The Lord has called me to love and
- 34:19S7: forgive this week. And you know what I. I wrote
- 34:22S7: them a note and I said, you know, I'm praying
- 34:25S7: for you. I'd love to sit down and talk with
- 34:27S7: you this week. These basic things that we do in
- 34:29S7: our relationships often are the places where our spiritual gifts
- 34:33S7: start to get lived out. Sometimes we make the spiritual
- 34:37S7: gifts so mystified that we think, well, it's got to
- 34:39S7: be up front at church or it's got to be
- 34:42S7: in a particular program. But usually it's the interpersonal relationships
- 34:47S7: that we begin to see those spiritual gifts lived out.
- 34:49S7: And then as the church has a need, we begin.
- 34:50S7: Oh yeah, I've seen that in my life. There's a
- 34:53S7: great place for that to work itself out. And that
- 34:55S7: means also us as pastoral leaders. Often the places we're
- 34:58S7: going to see these giftings are less in our formal
- 35:01S7: structures as in our interpersonal relationships, which we're meeting with
- 35:04S7: people and loving with them. We say, oh wow, you
- 35:07S7: have such a word of encouragement to that person. You
- 35:09S7: act and serve behind the scenes. I've never seen that before.
- 35:11S7: That is is a gift from the Lord.
- 35:13S1: Beautiful. Wow. This is really something. You know what? I'm
- 35:17S1: sitting here listening to this great man of God. I'm
- 35:21S1: sure he's got stuff that he's working on with you
- 35:24S1: and the Lord right all the time. But Doctor John
- 35:27S1: Mabus is one of the profs here, and I want
- 35:30S1: you to send your kids here to sit under this guy.
- 35:34S1: I want you to come as an adult to come
- 35:37S1: sit under guys like this. This is the kind of
- 35:39S1: quality props we've got around here. This is quite something,
- 35:43S1: isn't this morning?
- 35:44S2: It really is. So where we're going to point you
- 35:46S2: to is more about Moody Bible Institute. If you want
- 35:49S2: to learn more about an institute that offers teaching from
- 35:53S2: guys like Doctor John Davis.
- 35:54S1: Come on.
- 35:55S2: Just text Moody to 805 557898. Text Moody to 805 557898.
- 36:03S5: Walk in closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to
- 36:07S5: Carl and crew.
- 36:08S1: It is valid thing to pray for protection and to
- 36:12S1: renounce not in your name, but in the name of Jesus.
- 36:15S1: The Lord rebuke you, Satan. Some of you feel like
- 36:18S1: you're in a firestorm of spiritual assault from dark forces.
- 36:24S1: God wants to give you a measure of freedom and liberty,
- 36:29S1: even in that firestorm, and crying out to him today
- 36:33S1: would be a really wise thing, you know? Speaking of
- 36:36S1: crying out to God, I always listen to what the
- 36:39S1: Lord might be doing here, and I can't get it
- 36:41S1: out of my mind that we're going to pray that
- 36:43S1: these gifts would not only be discovered, but that they
- 36:46S1: would be used. In my conversation with Sam Storms earlier
- 36:50S1: this week, he just stressed that he said, these are
- 36:54S1: to be used used in the body of Christ. So, Ali,
- 36:59S1: if you would just offer up a prayer for folks
- 37:01S1: right now.
- 37:03S2: Lord, we thank you that the same God gives a
- 37:07S2: variety of gifts. Lord, it comes from you. It's not
- 37:10S2: of our doing. We don't earn it. You give it
- 37:12S2: to us freely and help us to use it. Lord,
- 37:16S2: help us to discover this week more about what you've
- 37:19S2: done in us for the building up of the body. Lord,
- 37:23S2: I pray that there would be great joy in the
- 37:25S2: using of our gifts that I pray against, discouragement or
- 37:28S2: against the feeling that maybe I'm not as gifted as
- 37:32S2: the next person. I pray that you would blow all
- 37:34S2: of that all out of the water, and that by
- 37:37S2: your power alone, we would be activated as a body
- 37:41S2: of Christ to step out, to use gifts, to take
- 37:45S2: steps of faith, and to experience joy while doing it.
- 37:49S2: In Jesus name, Amen.
- 37:51S1: Amen. And let it be. Wow.
- 37:53S2: You know, I just had a thought, Carl. You know,
- 37:55S2: when in sports, people often talk about someone's potential. And
- 38:00S2: one of the things that people often find frustrating is
- 38:03S2: when you see an incredible athlete who, for whatever reason,
- 38:06S2: does not fulfill the potential that everybody sees that they have,
- 38:11S2: you know, whether it's life choices or just hardship or
- 38:15S2: people often mourn wasted potential. And when you think about
- 38:18S2: the spiritual gifts, it's not us doing anything. But certainly
- 38:23S2: we can, by our own actions, squander what's possible through
- 38:29S2: the utilization of our gifts. Simply by being passive, by
- 38:31S2: sitting back. And so, I don't know, I just had
- 38:34S2: that thought. We do not want to create. We don't
- 38:36S2: want to waste the potential that that is possible because
- 38:42S2: of the gifts of the spirit at work in us.
- 38:45S1: Yeah. And so let me give you my hot take
- 38:49S1: on this one, because I've often heard it said, and
- 38:52S1: this can be really dangerous, but I'm going to put
- 38:54S1: a twist on this one. People say, oh, that person's
- 38:57S1: really gifted. I want to say this right now to you.
- 39:03S1: You are really gifted.
- 39:05S2: Yeah. Yeah.
- 39:07S1: You really are gifted. When Jesus ascended, he gave gifts
- 39:14S1: to men and women. You are really gifted. Now, the
- 39:20S1: only question is, are you really going to use that gift?
- 39:24S1: That's the only question, how sweet is that beautiful thing?
- 39:30S2: I mean, I'm encouraged we should all be thinking about
- 39:34S2: ways that we can step out even more because the
- 39:37S2: gift is there. The Holy Spirit is empowering us so
- 39:40S2: we can take a step.
- 39:42S1: We can. Get this. And now I'm going to ask
- 39:46S1: you to take it to the next level and give
- 39:48S1: it away. Give it away to your small group. Give
- 39:50S1: it to your pastor. Ask him if he wants to
- 39:52S1: use this text drew to 805 557898. This gifts assessment
- 39:59S1: is going to help identify for you your spiritual gifts.
- 40:05S1: Text drew to 805 557898.
- 40:09S5: Celebrating the Unstoppable gospel.
- 40:12S3: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes,
- 40:15S3: so he's okay with me, but it's that I get
- 40:17S3: to stand close to him so that I can experience
- 40:20S3: the life that he has for me.
- 40:22S5: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 40:23S1: Time for almost time for making a metaphor. I want
- 40:26S1: to clarify something. Some of you may wonder, does Young
- 40:29S1: Thunder get a heads up on these things? Don't you
- 40:31S1: tell them kind of what the story is going to be? No.
- 40:34S2: He doesn't get anything.
- 40:36S1: No, nothing.
- 40:37S2: He hears it for the first time. When you do,
- 40:39S2: whether it's our story or whether it's your story.
- 40:42S1: Yeah, we are ready to roll.
- 40:47S5: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
- 40:50S9: It's a metaphor.
- 40:51S10: It's just a metaphor, dude.
- 40:52S11: That's a metaphor.
- 40:53S12: It's a metaphor. I know it's a metaphor.
- 40:56S5: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
- 41:00S2: One fun fact about young thunder is he has a
- 41:03S2: knack for finding the spiritual application in just about anything
- 41:07S2: you could imagine. It is really something, man. So we
- 41:12S2: made a segment out of it.
- 41:13S3: I'm so nervous for the day you say this and
- 41:15S3: then I get stumped and don't know what to do.
- 41:17S1: It's okay if you do one day and it comes
- 41:20S1: out and you're like, that's a stinko metaphor. It's all right.
- 41:24S13: It's all right.
- 41:25S2: Bravely praise and trust the Lord to lead him as
- 41:29S2: we or you, share a story. Joshua, you get the
- 41:33S2: story today from Chattanooga, Tennessee. Tell us the story. Just
- 41:37S2: the story. And then Jonathan gets to make it a metaphor.
- 41:42S14: Okay. Thank you. Um, yeah, I had two trucks stolen
- 41:45S14: from me in the past month.
- 41:48S3: Oh, man, I'm so sorry to hear about that.
- 41:50S1: Hold on, hold on. Now, that's a short story. Did you?
- 41:54S1: So let me let me get some more content to it.
- 41:57S1: Did you get them back?
- 42:00S14: No, I don't know. They're I, I, a friend of
- 42:04S14: mine was borrowing one truck.
- 42:08S1: And he just took off with it.
- 42:11S14: Yeah. And I saw him at a bar, which I'm
- 42:16S14: quitting drinking, by the way.
- 42:19S1: Um, you can't lend your truck to the guys that
- 42:22S1: still are.
- 42:24S14: I know, I know, I know, I know.
- 42:29S1: Joshua. You're killing me, man. All right. What happened to
- 42:32S1: the other truck? The one guy, the one got ripped
- 42:34S1: off by a guy that has a bad drinking problem.
- 42:36S1: All right, what happened to the other one?
- 42:39S14: Well, the other one is my friend who is female. And, um, actually.
- 42:50S14: She said that someone stole the keys out of it.
- 42:53S1: Okay, so. But you got.
- 42:55S14: It's very confusing.
- 42:56S1: All right. Well, yeah, it's confusing to me, but you
- 42:58S1: got two trucks stolen. Uh, what do you say, Ali?
- 43:01S2: So. Joshua. So this how has this made you feel?
- 43:05S2: Obviously you're are you, are you feeling like what in
- 43:08S2: the world is going on? Because this has happened now
- 43:10S2: two times in a row. Is that kind of where
- 43:11S2: you're where you're at?
- 43:16S14: Well, honestly, I would say that, um, this has brought
- 43:22S14: me closer to God.
- 43:24S1: Hey, man.
- 43:25S3: Amen.
- 43:25S1: It's awesome. You might have stolen the metaphor here, but
- 43:28S1: what do you say, Jonathan?
- 43:29S3: No, actually. So I was thinking about this. The first
- 43:32S3: truck was was a friend who obviously was not a friend. Uh,
- 43:37S3: someone who, who looked like they were trustworthy, uh, was
- 43:42S3: very obviously not trustworthy. And it created a lot of trouble.
- 43:46S3: It created a lot of strife and a lot of
- 43:48S3: damage to life and physical property. Uh, you know, Jesus
- 43:53S3: tells us about the thief in John ten, John 1010.
- 43:57S3: The thief comes only to kill or to steal, kill
- 44:00S3: and destroy. I came that you may have life and
- 44:02S3: have it abundantly. The thief. We often attribute the thief
- 44:06S3: to being Satan. The thief is not Satan. The thief
- 44:09S3: here is false teachers or. And you know what? The
- 44:13S3: thing about teachers in our life is that usually we
- 44:16S3: have some type of relationship with them. Uh, people who,
- 44:20S3: who look trustworthy, people whom we may have had some
- 44:24S3: type of relationship with. But at the end of the day,
- 44:27S3: they're creating damage in us because they're leading us farther
- 44:32S3: away from Jesus. When you look at the people in
- 44:35S3: your life that are instructing you spiritually, do not look
- 44:39S3: at the personal relationship with them that you have, the
- 44:43S3: friendship that you may have grown, how friendly they may seem.
- 44:47S3: Always look back to the Word of God. Be a Berean.
- 44:52S3: Take what they say and look back at Scripture and
- 44:56S3: is what they're saying comporting with Scripture.
- 45:00S1: Boom.
- 45:01S3: Then you can find, because there are people out there
- 45:04S3: that look friendly, that look like they have your best
- 45:07S3: interest at heart, but their inward intentions are to steal,
- 45:11S3: kill and destroy. There is no other way to figure
- 45:15S3: that out 100% than by taking what they say and
- 45:18S3: holding it up to the Word of God. So that's
- 45:21S3: how you find trustworthy teachers in your life.
- 45:23S1: Boom. That is tough to hear, but spot on.
- 45:27S3: Absolutely.
- 45:28S2: Make it a metaphor. Thursday's the bottom of the 630
- 45:32S2: or bottom of the 6:00 hour, bottom of the 8:00
- 45:34S2: hour central time. Well done Jonathan.
- 45:37S3: Yeah. And thank you so much, Joshua, for sharing your story.
- 45:39S3: I'm really sorry about what happened. Yeah, yeah.
- 45:42S15: My heart.
- 45:42S3: Praying for you, bro, because that's really.
- 45:45S1: Close to the Lord. Two trucks in a month. My goodness. Okay. Uh, who,
- 45:52S1: by the way, I gotta say it again. That was beautiful.
- 45:56S1: Way to go, my man. Praise God. What do you
- 45:59S1: think about God? What do you imagine him to be?
- 46:03S1: Could it be shaped more so by the culture or
- 46:07S1: those around us than the Word of God? Our guest
- 46:11S1: believes so, and he wants to set this thing right.
- 46:14S1: When you understand who God is truly, you can worship
- 46:19S1: him in spirit and in truth.