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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, April 6 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Ojan and NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks. Bring you the latest thing,
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Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jaguars. Everything's got to be about the future,
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Speaker 1: has got to be about tomorrow and bringing all that
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Speaker 1: into focus as we you know, attack the season. Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into another
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Speaker 1: edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. It is Wednesday, April six, J. P.
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Speaker 1: Shadrick with the NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks and Jaguars
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Speaker 1: dot Com senior writer John Osier and of course subscribed
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Speaker 1: to the official Jaguars podcast network on the free I
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Speaker 1: Heart radio app. We're three weeks away and one day
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Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft. Bucky, Good, afternoon, Yo. What's going
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Speaker 1: on you guys doing? Man? What's happening? Great? Johnny is
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Speaker 1: is fired up, ready to go. He's draft ready. He's uh,
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Speaker 1: he can't wait for I'm getting more draft ready. I
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Speaker 1: mean I'm reading Bucky stuff, not Jaguars dot Com about
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Speaker 1: the Jags and and talking to Bucky. So I'm getting
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Speaker 1: ready for the draft. Bucky is my source of uh
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Speaker 1: of draft enthusiasm and information. And of course we see
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Speaker 1: Bucky all over the place now pass to the drafters
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Speaker 1: back every week night. What time was that air Bucky
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Speaker 1: on the NFL net? That would be East coast time.
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Speaker 1: That would be six o'clock each and every night, and
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Speaker 1: we're talking about all things draft. Yes, and who holds
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Speaker 1: on with you on path of the Draft. It's a
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Speaker 1: revolving door, ever changing cast of characters. But Danie Jeremiah
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Speaker 1: red Lewis are the primary um guys on the show
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Speaker 1: with me, but Charles Davis comes through. Brian Baldinger today
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Speaker 1: is on, and we have a few other guest appearances
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of appearances by the top prospects in
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Speaker 1: the draft coming on and we're talking to dam an
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Speaker 1: interview on him and that kind of stuff. What do
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Speaker 1: you I mean, Bucky A pre draft interviews? Everything is
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Speaker 1: so uh you know, staged if you will, because they're
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Speaker 1: controlled by agents. What do you get out of those
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Speaker 1: when you talk to the guys? I mean, do you
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Speaker 1: learn stuff when you talk to these kids? Uh? What
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Speaker 1: I try to do is like some of the stuff
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Speaker 1: that we do on TV, like it's fine, but like
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Speaker 1: either before or after the interviews, when you're kind of
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Speaker 1: warming them up and talking to him, you try and
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Speaker 1: get a little insight. Sometimes if they're in studio and
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Speaker 1: you have a chance to like pop on some tape
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Speaker 1: with them, you get a better feel for what they know,
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Speaker 1: um and there maybe reasoning or rational behind some of
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Speaker 1: the things that they made the decision they made on
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Speaker 1: the field, and so it can provide some perspective that
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Speaker 1: that helps you. The one that stands out to me
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Speaker 1: was Pat Mahomes came in studio before the draft, and
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Speaker 1: I remember at the time, I don't know if DJ
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Speaker 1: had him in the top fifty. I didn't have him
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Speaker 1: as like a first round pick. He was kind of
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Speaker 1: like a couch out. But then when we sat down
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Speaker 1: an interviewed to his recall, Like we could ask him
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Speaker 1: about a play and he could like really drill down
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Speaker 1: and give you great detail and his memory of things
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Speaker 1: that happened in his sophomore year and all that. It
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Speaker 1: just made you kind of sit back and you're just like,
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Speaker 1: that's that's beyond normal. And we've kind of found like
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Speaker 1: with great players and those things, they kind of have
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Speaker 1: their recall ability that you could ask them to play
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Speaker 1: from high school and they could walk you through every
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Speaker 1: step of what happened and how they were able to
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Speaker 1: have success of failure on their play. Is that a
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Speaker 1: similar mindset for personnel people coaches in the building when
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Speaker 1: these prospects come in here? Is it? Is it the
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Speaker 1: same idea? Do you want to sit them down in
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Speaker 1: front of the the white board and drawouts things, look
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Speaker 1: at film with them and what happens during prospect business?
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Speaker 1: We got obviously this week Aidan Hutchinson put out an
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Speaker 1: Instagram video that he was here. There's been a few
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Speaker 1: other prospects and it's that time of year. What happens
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Speaker 1: in one of those building visits for these prospects, Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, like when you you bring in guys like
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Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson um and you have an opportunity to to
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Speaker 1: be around him here the four or twenty four hours,
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Speaker 1: so you get to bring him to build him, do
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Speaker 1: everything h that you want to do with him during
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Speaker 1: throughout the course of the day. So that's a few
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Speaker 1: different meetings, uh, from the de coordinator to his position coach,
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Speaker 1: two people around the building getting the field for who
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Speaker 1: he is and how he kind of fits into the
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Speaker 1: culture that's established within the organization, and then with those meetings,
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Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're beginning to assess where he
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Speaker 1: is from an i Q standpoint, how he learns, how
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Speaker 1: he communicates, what maybe his preferred um coaching style or
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Speaker 1: the most effective coaching style that works for him. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You watch tape together and you're able to how to
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Speaker 1: get a better field for how does he plan his
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Speaker 1: process on the field. So for Hutchinson, like, Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is this now versus I went to Big ten championship game.
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Speaker 1: You gotta sat what were you thinking? And if he's
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Speaker 1: able to walk you through those kinds of things, you
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Speaker 1: now have a better understanding. Okay, when we get him here, Uh,
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Speaker 1: he has a great i Q. So now we can
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe accelerate the process or Okay, this guy maybe
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Speaker 1: challenge in a couple of different areas Howard. What's the
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Speaker 1: best way for us to get to him? Is it
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Speaker 1: more visual stuff? Is it more auditory? Does he need
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Speaker 1: more walk throughs? So you're trying to get a feel
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Speaker 1: for who he is from a football character standpoint, but
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Speaker 1: then you're also trying to figure out if he's with us,
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Speaker 1: what is the best way for us to maxim out
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Speaker 1: in terms of helping him prepare to be at his
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Speaker 1: best when it's signed to go play. And some of
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Speaker 1: it's just human nature feel right, But I when you're
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Speaker 1: around the guy for twenty four hours as opposed to
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Speaker 1: five minutes at the combine, so there's only so long.
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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point the defenses get let down,
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Speaker 1: if you will, and maybe something about your natural personality
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Speaker 1: comes out into predator that just sticks with the g
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Speaker 1: I me, it's hard to fake it for hours. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So sometimes it's just these guys, if they're investing this
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Speaker 1: kind of money into somebody, they want just a little
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Speaker 1: better feel on some level that they may not know
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Speaker 1: what they're looking for when they come in, but you
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Speaker 1: spend twenty four hours around a guy, so so something
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Speaker 1: sticks out. Yeah, it's it's everything, John, because you want
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Speaker 1: a lot of people around him because what you're trying
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Speaker 1: to do is get a full assessment of who he is.
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Speaker 1: And so it might be a wherever they put him
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Speaker 1: up at, wherever the the hotel he's staying is calling
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Speaker 1: around and seeing, hey, how did he treat the people
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Speaker 1: at the front desks? Was he problematic? Did anyone around
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Speaker 1: the restaurant kind of see him and serve him. What
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Speaker 1: was he like? You really want to see if you
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Speaker 1: can get a true feel for who are we bringing
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Speaker 1: in so that you know, because what you're trying to
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Speaker 1: eliminate are the surprises. You don't want someone to uh
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Speaker 1: come in where you feel like he's one way and
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Speaker 1: then you get him and you find out he's completely different,
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Speaker 1: and then it's too late, and so that's you want
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Speaker 1: everybody around them. So from in my Smasent past, like
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Speaker 1: not only the football part, but maybe you have the
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Speaker 1: pr people around you also call around and see who
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Speaker 1: picked him up from the airport? What was he like
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Speaker 1: on the ride? Was he quiet? Was he talkative? Was
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Speaker 1: he arrogant? Did he treat the people nice around? Like?
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Speaker 1: All of that stuff factors into it because you want
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Speaker 1: to do your due diligence. Much like if I was
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Speaker 1: on the road and we just continue to use Adan Hutchinson.
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Speaker 1: When I'm in ann Arbor, it's not just the people
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Speaker 1: that I'm talking to around the football offices. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: to the academic people, but I'm also going around town
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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of randomly asking questions while I'm having dinner,
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Speaker 1: Like hey, does ain't Hutchinson ever coming here? What is
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Speaker 1: he like? Have you seen him? This? And that? Is
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Speaker 1: he all of that stuff? As you're trying to kind
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Speaker 1: of paint the picture, because you're right this twenty four
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Speaker 1: hours that you have on the visit, that's the only
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Speaker 1: time that you get them. So you almost have to
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Speaker 1: go into a covert uh CIA operation to really try
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Speaker 1: and figure out if the guys what he portrays himself
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Speaker 1: to be. Well, you just blew your cover, Bucky, I
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Speaker 1: mean for a CI age, I mean that's not Priority
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Speaker 1: Number one is to maintain your uh you know, come on,
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Speaker 1: advice to prospects, tip big right, Hey, every everything, everything matters.
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Speaker 1: And and I'll say this, just like the way I
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Speaker 1: got into the scouting business. When I go to Green
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Speaker 1: Bay to work out, the guy who picked me up
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Speaker 1: from the airport was John Snyder, the general manager for
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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Now, our relationships started at that moment
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Speaker 1: where we talked and all that other stuff, but we
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Speaker 1: continue to build that relationship. But if I hadn't, if
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Speaker 1: I didn't treat him well, if I was a jerk
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Speaker 1: to him, there's no way that he would have been
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Speaker 1: the first guy that I was able to call when
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about getting a job or getting into
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Speaker 1: the scouting business. And so that's why it's really important
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Speaker 1: that you do lean on those guys who may be
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Speaker 1: deemed to be lesser than at that moment. But those
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Speaker 1: guys are valuable because not only are they good works
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Speaker 1: for the organization, but they get a chance to see
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Speaker 1: those guys and how they really are, because how they
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Speaker 1: treat them is ultimately how they treat others in the build.
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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osan The Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious that Jaguars have twelve draft picks
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Speaker 1: right now. That's the most in the NFL draft. And
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Speaker 1: there's some other teams saying forget them picks or not
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Speaker 1: you using a different ft work, But the Jaguars aren't.
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Speaker 1: Right now. They've got twelve right now. So you know
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Speaker 1: they've got thirty prospect visits, Bucky, they can use general
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Speaker 1: manager Bucky Brooks. How do you divvy up um? You know,
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Speaker 1: position groups, levels of the draft guys you want to
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Speaker 1: bring in. You know you're looking at deep rounds. Also,
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Speaker 1: some some of those guys might come in here and
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Speaker 1: take a visit to the Jaguars. Also, Yeah, and that's tough.
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of it is like and you
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Speaker 1: want to be careful and strategic about how you would
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Speaker 1: like to use your visits, because what happens is once
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Speaker 1: you submit the list to the lead, that list is circulated,
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Speaker 1: so everyone knows who you're bringing in for visits. And
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Speaker 1: now some things are very transparent, like the guys they're
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Speaker 1: bringing in there out of that thirty, they're going to
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Speaker 1: pick some guys out of that. Others kind of send
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Speaker 1: you on a bit of a wild goose chase um
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Speaker 1: and trying to assess it from a personal standpoint, I
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Speaker 1: think what you want to do is you want to
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Speaker 1: bring in guys that you feel strongly about, but there
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Speaker 1: may be a little missing piece of information that you
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Speaker 1: want to get resolved. And so whether it's someone who
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Speaker 1: has had some character issues off the field that you
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Speaker 1: want to get hammered out and really have a clear
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Speaker 1: understanding of what they might have been involved in. Two
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Speaker 1: guys that you're trying to separate, meaning we call it
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Speaker 1: the cluster busters. So so you have uh, two, three,
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Speaker 1: four closely graded guys, you bring them in and you're
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Speaker 1: trying to get the one that you deem to be
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Speaker 1: the best fit, whether that's through personality, whether that's through
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Speaker 1: having the conversations in the meeting rooms where you're like, no,
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Speaker 1: I like this guy. I think this guy probably gets
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Speaker 1: what we want to do better than the other guys,
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Speaker 1: and so it's a mix. And then finally is maybe
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Speaker 1: someone who's has some injuries that you just kind of
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Speaker 1: want to see and talk to him and do all
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Speaker 1: of that. But everyone does it differently. But how it
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Speaker 1: assess it is I want to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: guys and I'm very interested in that I spend as
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Speaker 1: much time with because I'm investing in them and I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that they're going to be invested
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Speaker 1: in us when they come. There's also that aliment Bucky
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Speaker 1: at the top. We talked about this on Reporters on Monday.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars might know exactly who they're gonna take, Like
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Speaker 1: right now, Trent Balky maybe down there saying I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: take Aidan Hutchinson. But if he gets a trade offer
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Speaker 1: that he likes and he's going down to four, then
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Speaker 1: you better have done the same research on Neil a
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Speaker 1: Quanta Walker so that you're completely confident four or five
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Speaker 1: six picks down. I don't how far that goes. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I'm always intrigued though, and I was Bucky about this.
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Speaker 1: He may have already sort of touched on it. When
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Speaker 1: you're talking about the Jaguars in years past have drafted
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Speaker 1: a significant I think number of guys in like the
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Speaker 1: sixth seventh round that they brought in for visits. Um
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Speaker 1: any idea why that percentage would be so high? Is
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Speaker 1: there something that you're looking for from a late round
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Speaker 1: guy that you just feel better if you've had him
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Speaker 1: on a visit or Um? I didn't know if I
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Speaker 1: was missing something. No, I mean I think sometimes like
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Speaker 1: what you're lay around guys, UM, being honest, like your
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Speaker 1: six and seventh round guys are guys that you may
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Speaker 1: deem to be priority free agents, but you want to
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Speaker 1: make sure that you get them. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: get to a bidding war for the services, and so
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Speaker 1: you want to bring them in. And it's the same thing, man,
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Speaker 1: you're trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Do not only fit as players, but do their personalities? Bit?
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Speaker 1: Are they great people that um kind of kind of
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Speaker 1: fit the mold of the kind of collection of guys
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Speaker 1: that you're bringing in to change the culture within the
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Speaker 1: walls of the building. And so it's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of anything and everything, and every coach and general manager
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Speaker 1: approaches it differently. But for me, I want to make
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Speaker 1: sure that the guys that we're bringing onto the team
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Speaker 1: that I really really know. I don't want to bring
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Speaker 1: in guys that there's some some some blanks or some
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Speaker 1: holes that still need to be filled in when we're
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Speaker 1: heading up to draft it. I really want to feel
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Speaker 1: good about everyone that our perspective, guys that were like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're seriously considering these guys in these rounds. This make
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Speaker 1: back to the huddle of podcast J P. Shatrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: What in the world happened in North Carolina? Kansas had
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Speaker 1: the biggest rally and championship game history to knock off
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Speaker 1: U n see Monday Night, trailed by sixteen at one point,
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Speaker 1: and if they just kept on playing and I had halftime,
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Speaker 1: I think you wouldnt might have been able to win
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Speaker 1: the game. But that that long pause heard of? Yeah, No, Um,
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Speaker 1: I think in those championship games, I think what you
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Speaker 1: do is you have to keep playing and you can't
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Speaker 1: um kind of deviate from the plan. When emotions kind
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Speaker 1: of rise. I mean, Kansas is a team that um
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Speaker 1: was the number one seed in their team that were experienced,
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Speaker 1: they have pros, and you knew that they were gonna
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Speaker 1: make a run. I watched them early in the tournament
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Speaker 1: come back against Miami with the same kind of vigor
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Speaker 1: and intensity. I think the big thing for Carolina was
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Speaker 1: they went down six I think it was sixty six
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Speaker 1: to sixty, held on, clawed their way back, and then
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Speaker 1: like they're up one with the minute forty nine left.
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Speaker 1: At that time, J P. John, you just rode a
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Speaker 1: ball and you see if you can finish it. Unfortunately
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Speaker 1: for them, they couldn't. But I think JP, you can
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Speaker 1: relate being uh an Alabama alum and someone who has
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Speaker 1: been around a team that's gone a few championships. For me,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a heartbreak, but I take
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Speaker 1: solace in knowing that in my lifetime we always go back,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, a couple of years, will be
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Speaker 1: right back and we'll get it right the next time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't talk about it much. If there's if there's
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Speaker 1: a basketball team I followed, it's Carolina. So I actually
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Speaker 1: followed college basketball with more interest than I usually did
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Speaker 1: in the last eight or nine days. I it looked
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Speaker 1: at me but like it was a team that really
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Speaker 1: was playing well, had probably maxed out what it could do,
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Speaker 1: and then the big man got hurt late it it
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Speaker 1: hurt because he was so good and I it seemed
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Speaker 1: to me like they kind of gave everything they had.
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Speaker 1: And then at the end, I thought Kansas was better. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it could have won. I didn't come away from that
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Speaker 1: game thinking, boy, Carolina should have won that game. I
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Speaker 1: didn't come away with that. No, John, Like, what's funny
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Speaker 1: about it is the entire tournament right when I look
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Speaker 1: at their path for me, and I'm the forever optimists
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Speaker 1: when it comes to my team. When I look at
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Speaker 1: their path, Marquette, I was worried about Baylor. I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna win that U C
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Speaker 1: l A. And then it was the Darlings of St. Peter's.
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Speaker 1: I was like, man, so three or the four? I
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. And then the Dude game,
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Speaker 1: I was still like, man, they're not better than do
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Speaker 1: I mean, they can beat them, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: And so I kind of feel like the same thing
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Speaker 1: with the Kansas game. So when I walked away and
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Speaker 1: clicked off the TV, it wasn't like I was like
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Speaker 1: doing it, Man, we we we we should have up,
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Speaker 1: we're the better team. It was more like, man, we're
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Speaker 1: really close and we had it. It's probably gonna sting
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Speaker 1: that we didn't win it. But I think you're right
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Speaker 1: when you say they kind of maxed out who they
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Speaker 1: were for this team to do what they did to
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Speaker 1: get kind of all the way in and almost win it,
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Speaker 1: That's about what it was. It was the heartbreak that
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Speaker 1: I had was years ago when Villanova beat them on
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Speaker 1: the shot at the end that was a dagger. That
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Speaker 1: was a gut punch because I felt like we were
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Speaker 1: better than them. This one was like, uh, it'd been nice,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if we're the best team, you know,
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Speaker 1: which is funny because the tournament is like that, because
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if we're the best team.
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Speaker 1: We were winning and say that we're the best, but
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Speaker 1: I still don't know if we're the best team in
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Speaker 1: the country. But survive in advance and they got to
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Speaker 1: the big games down one against Duke Buck At that point,
18:22
Speaker 1: if they had told you you can win this and
18:25
Speaker 1: lose Monday. You would have taken it though, right, Yeah,
18:30
Speaker 1: but you know what, like John, Yeah, I'm I'm the
18:34
Speaker 1: kind I'm not the Constellation Prize guy. So like, look,
18:37
Speaker 1: the thing with Duke was, uh, well we beat him
18:41
Speaker 1: in the finale at Cameron. That was one thing, and
18:44
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know if I want
18:45
Speaker 1: to face him again this and that. But then there's
18:48
Speaker 1: kind of something. I mean, look, man, JP's like it's
18:52
Speaker 1: like Auburn, right, like when you play your rival, like
18:55
Speaker 1: for me arrogant. I'm like, it's dude, Like, okay, but
18:58
Speaker 1: this is what we do. We beat them and so
19:00
Speaker 1: then we're in the champions again and you're like, no,
19:02
Speaker 1: I want to win it. I don't want to, Like,
19:04
Speaker 1: you know, you get a banner for the final four,
19:06
Speaker 1: but you don't get a chance to be the champion.
19:07
Speaker 1: So it's fine, but he still left a little meat
19:11
Speaker 1: on the Yeah, this is the Huddle Up Podcast. Let's
19:15
Speaker 1: get to social media questions. We put the bat signal
19:18
Speaker 1: out earlier on Wednesday, and here's the best we've come
19:22
Speaker 1: up with today. Robert Coolson has a question, do you
19:25
Speaker 1: think that Jags have any other surprises up their sleeves
19:28
Speaker 1: before the draft. Well, I mean there's three weeks we
19:32
Speaker 1: told you then it wouldn't be a surprise. Excellent point, John,
19:35
Speaker 1: Um Bucky. Do you think they maybe move around and
19:38
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're running I guess kind of tight
19:41
Speaker 1: against the cat these days, So it's not like you're
19:43
Speaker 1: gonna sign a bunch of big names anymore. Maybe removed
19:47
Speaker 1: moves from guys around. Maybe I don't know. No, I
19:51
Speaker 1: think we kind of are where we are right now. Um.
19:54
Speaker 1: I think we're in a situation where all of the
19:57
Speaker 1: focus is on the draft, all of the focuses making
20:00
Speaker 1: sure that you get it right. Um. It's funny on
20:04
Speaker 1: uh dj n I maybe we had a conversation day
20:08
Speaker 1: we were talking about, um, looking back at the last
20:11
Speaker 1: five first round picks that every team has had, and
20:15
Speaker 1: when you you do that, there's a there's a it's
20:18
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that the teams that nail the first
20:20
Speaker 1: round are the teams that are kind of in the conversation.
20:23
Speaker 1: And so for the Jaguars, I think is really important
20:26
Speaker 1: that before you can even think about free agency or whatever, like,
20:28
Speaker 1: the next month has to be really dialed in on
20:31
Speaker 1: making sure that you nail the early part of the draft,
20:34
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about how valuable it is for everybody
20:37
Speaker 1: to be a contributing minimum down the line. But what
20:40
Speaker 1: we know is you can't mess up in the first round,
20:43
Speaker 1: like the first round, the first two rounds and particularly
20:46
Speaker 1: you have you have got to knock it out the park.
20:49
Speaker 1: And it doesn't necessarily mean that, oh it has to
20:52
Speaker 1: be a home run, but you can't strike out. And
20:55
Speaker 1: so the guys that you take, and you know, first round,
20:58
Speaker 1: in the second round, those guys need to be guys
21:00
Speaker 1: that come in and they can start and start fairly
21:03
Speaker 1: soon and become impact players because eventually those guys have
21:06
Speaker 1: formed a nucleus of your program. It's funny that mentality.
21:11
Speaker 1: It is how general managers think, um Bill poll and
21:15
Speaker 1: you say all the time it was with the Colts
21:16
Speaker 1: for those ten years. You don't have to be a
21:19
Speaker 1: home run, you can't strike out. Doubles and triples are
21:22
Speaker 1: just as good as home runs, and and talking about
21:25
Speaker 1: it over a four or five year period, speaking exactly
21:28
Speaker 1: what Bucky just said, when you look at your team
21:31
Speaker 1: over a four or five year period, you have to
21:34
Speaker 1: have gotten contributions from those ten guys. If if there's
21:40
Speaker 1: ten first and second rounders, you don't need to have
21:43
Speaker 1: a whole lot of holes, because if you do, then
21:45
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, those are holes in your roster
21:47
Speaker 1: that you've got to go back and overspending free agency
21:50
Speaker 1: to make up for. We've lived it for the right.
21:53
Speaker 1: You spend your career chasing your tail, and you're doing
21:55
Speaker 1: have a very long career, right, So that's not I mean,
21:59
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean even in doing this, we go
22:03
Speaker 1: back and look at our last five first rounders. UM.
22:08
Speaker 1: If we go back, so et t n and Lawrence,
22:10
Speaker 1: let's throw them out. But if you go Calebin, Jason,
22:14
Speaker 1: c J. Henderson, Josh Allen, Tavin, Brian and Leonard for Nette,
22:21
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen is the only one that UM has popped.
22:27
Speaker 1: The other guys Brian and for Nette are gone, c J.
22:31
Speaker 1: Henderson has gone, and Chasing you're still waiting on. And
22:34
Speaker 1: so when you think about that, that's problematic because those
22:38
Speaker 1: guys were counted on, particularly Henderson, Allen and for Net,
22:42
Speaker 1: because they were drafted in the top ten. They were
22:45
Speaker 1: not only counting to being starters. You expect those guys
22:48
Speaker 1: to be stars, like central members of your program. And
22:52
Speaker 1: so that's why you can't have the egregious misses at
22:55
Speaker 1: the top of the board, because it leaves craters in
22:58
Speaker 1: your roster construction. Brutal, Yeah, I mean brutal. He goes
23:03
Speaker 1: that saying, but I know Josh Allen has not you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: he's made one Pro Bowl. And how you feel about
23:10
Speaker 1: his career if you're listening to this, But I would
23:13
Speaker 1: say he's a good player, potentially be a great player.
23:17
Speaker 1: I don't know where he's gonna wind up. But how
23:20
Speaker 1: how much of them do you feel about this team?
23:21
Speaker 1: If every guy Bucky had just listed was on this
23:26
Speaker 1: team and equal to Josh Allen, maybe not a superstar yet,
23:31
Speaker 1: but at least doing Josh Allen things at their position, well,
23:36
Speaker 1: I think that Peterson gonna be here. The general manager
23:40
Speaker 1: would probably still be Dave Caldwell. I mean, the head
23:43
Speaker 1: coach wouldn't be what it is now. And that's that's
23:45
Speaker 1: the importance. It is I and and just so because
23:50
Speaker 1: we're in this thing, but uh, and and and just
23:52
Speaker 1: raising the bar and the standard when we're looking at
23:55
Speaker 1: prospect um, your goal, particularly when you're picking and the ten. Ultimately,
24:02
Speaker 1: when you give a guy that kind of greater you
24:04
Speaker 1: select that guy in that category, your expectation is that
24:08
Speaker 1: he is going to be a top five player at
24:11
Speaker 1: his position within the next two to three years. The
24:15
Speaker 1: next three years, you expect him to emerge where he's
24:18
Speaker 1: knocking on the door to be in the conversation as
24:21
Speaker 1: a top five player at his position league wide. That's
24:25
Speaker 1: how lofty the standards should be. But within your team,
24:29
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a first round guy, your first
24:31
Speaker 1: rounders have to be now. They have to be starters
24:36
Speaker 1: where you expect them to be solid starters that you
24:39
Speaker 1: plug and play. Those guys played for a long time
24:41
Speaker 1: and you're thriving with them. Your second rounders, by design,
24:45
Speaker 1: those guys should be emerging starters. So what we mean
24:49
Speaker 1: by emerging starters is you expect them. If I'm drafting
24:53
Speaker 1: in the second round, the expectation is that you should
24:56
Speaker 1: be an emerging starter where you start. By your second year,
25:00
Speaker 1: you should be heavy in the rotation your first year,
25:02
Speaker 1: your second years you you should be punciled into the
25:04
Speaker 1: starting lineup or rotating in as almost like a part
25:07
Speaker 1: time starter. And then your third rounders are guys that
25:11
Speaker 1: might take a year or more, but they should be
25:14
Speaker 1: key contributors anything beyond that fourth round of Lord's developmental prospects,
25:20
Speaker 1: and if you get anything from them, that is gravy.
25:23
Speaker 1: But those first three rounds starter, emerging starter, and a
25:28
Speaker 1: guy that should be a developmental starter. Anything beyond that
25:31
Speaker 1: is gravy. And so that's why you really got to
25:33
Speaker 1: nail that. Spend most of your efforts on making sure
25:35
Speaker 1: that the guys you take within the top one hundred
25:37
Speaker 1: are players and players that can hear up your team immediately.
25:40
Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast. Well, Stefan Digg signed
25:44
Speaker 1: a bigger extension with the Bills today four years, ninety
25:47
Speaker 1: six million could be worth more with incentives. Of course,
25:50
Speaker 1: the Bill is loading up with players this offseason. Wide
25:53
Speaker 1: receiver money around the league is nuts. Look at Tyry
25:56
Speaker 1: Hills deal Davante Adams as well. That leads us to
25:59
Speaker 1: our next question on social media. Our final question today
26:02
Speaker 1: at John Heini twenty. Even though it's unlikely to happen,
26:05
Speaker 1: what do you think is a fair trade involving Seattle's
26:08
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and what type of contract do you think
26:11
Speaker 1: he'll get when he signs a new one? Um, you know,
26:14
Speaker 1: so here's just funny, man. I'm probably a little lower
26:17
Speaker 1: on DK metcalfe and other guys um and and why
26:20
Speaker 1: is because when I see DK metcalf I think DK
26:23
Speaker 1: mcalf is maybe masterful in his role, but I don't
26:28
Speaker 1: see him as a number one receiver. And here's how
26:31
Speaker 1: the distinction is kind of the conversation that John and
26:34
Speaker 1: I had at the Combine about DJ chart. When you
26:38
Speaker 1: evaluate a number one receiver, the number one receiver should
26:42
Speaker 1: be able to do it all. Doesn't mean he's a burner,
26:45
Speaker 1: but he should be a great route runner. He should
26:48
Speaker 1: be the guy that you can depend on uh to
26:50
Speaker 1: move the chains in a key situation. He is the
26:54
Speaker 1: guy who should be good enough to command double coverage
26:57
Speaker 1: and steal defeat double coverage. He should be not necessarily
27:02
Speaker 1: flawless in his game, but he should be someone that
27:05
Speaker 1: each and every game, the opponent comes into the game
27:09
Speaker 1: plan knowing we have to stop such and such. When
27:13
Speaker 1: I think about DK metcalf and the reason why I'm
27:15
Speaker 1: hesitant to call him a number one, he is a
27:18
Speaker 1: straight line, vertical playmaker and threat. His game is built
27:22
Speaker 1: upon home run balls and those things. It is hard
27:26
Speaker 1: for guys who are like him to anchor in offense. Normally,
27:31
Speaker 1: you need someone who is more the dirty work guy
27:34
Speaker 1: to do that, because with DK Metcalf, when I look
27:37
Speaker 1: at his ability to run the rout tree, I don't
27:39
Speaker 1: think he can run the entire route tree. So he's
27:42
Speaker 1: an intriguing athlete. He's a nice weapon that you would
27:45
Speaker 1: love to have. But I will hold off on paying
27:49
Speaker 1: him to Tyreek kill money the Davante Adam's money to
27:52
Speaker 1: Stefan Digg's money, because I don't think his game translates
27:56
Speaker 1: like their games translate. I was outstanding. I mean it's uh.
28:01
Speaker 1: I think it sums it up. Uh. Number one receiver. Um.
28:06
Speaker 1: The best story I can tell you about that is this.
28:09
Speaker 1: We're talking to Tony Dunge when Marvin Harrison was the
28:11
Speaker 1: number one and he was clearly number one Hall of
28:15
Speaker 1: Fame receiver, and I said, well, tell me why he's
28:19
Speaker 1: so important. And his response was, when Marvin goes to
28:24
Speaker 1: the line, if he's in the game, we know, based
28:31
Speaker 1: on him being in the game and the formation to
28:34
Speaker 1: a certain extent, how the defense has to play him.
28:39
Speaker 1: If they play him that way, then we know what
28:42
Speaker 1: else to do off of that, and Peyton can make
28:45
Speaker 1: his read off of that. If they don't play him
28:47
Speaker 1: that way. We score having that as a foundation piece
28:55
Speaker 1: of the offense where you go to the line and
28:58
Speaker 1: Peyton looked over the or the quarterback whatever. Number one. Okay,
29:02
Speaker 1: I know this guy is gonna do this. It's easy
29:05
Speaker 1: to see the defense is gonna slide this way, so
29:07
Speaker 1: I know who's gonna be open, and then if it's not,
29:10
Speaker 1: he's gonna win that. I that in offensive football these
29:15
Speaker 1: days is critical because it allows the quarterback to do
29:18
Speaker 1: so much more as well. So, Uh, it's great if
29:22
Speaker 1: you can get one. It's certainly is. Thank you for
29:25
Speaker 1: the submissions on social media. Earlier today we mentioned pass
29:29
Speaker 1: to the Draft each week night six o'clock leading up
29:32
Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft, and Bucky, you'll be here with
29:35
Speaker 1: us in Jacksonville for Jaguars dot Com coverage of the
29:38
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Will have shows leading up to it. Of course,
29:41
Speaker 1: a draft party will be held Thursday. A more details
29:45
Speaker 1: on that to come in the next week or so,
29:47
Speaker 1: so ticket holders check your email boxes next week sometime
29:52
Speaker 1: for the official word on the draft party. But Bucky,
29:54
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to having you here in Jacksonville. Yeah,
29:57
Speaker 1: it should be a lot of fun. Uh. One final
30:00
Speaker 1: point because we were talking about the pay days as
30:03
Speaker 1: we sounds like speaking of no no as as we
30:09
Speaker 1: begin to think about it, and I think it's important
30:11
Speaker 1: for Jaguars fans to pay attention like what's going on
30:14
Speaker 1: in the league, Like we're noticing how the money is
30:16
Speaker 1: being doled out, and you're seeing that the marquee positions
30:20
Speaker 1: are beginning to change a little bit. So, um, it
30:24
Speaker 1: was always like the league was built around the quarterback,
30:26
Speaker 1: and that remains true, but now it's increasingly that it's
30:28
Speaker 1: built around the passing game. Because there was a lot
30:31
Speaker 1: of conversation about, oh my god, Christian Kirk got this
30:34
Speaker 1: amount of money and Zay Jones and Evan Ingram, why
30:37
Speaker 1: are they paying so much money? But when you really
30:39
Speaker 1: look at it, teams now are being built around the
30:43
Speaker 1: peas passers, pass rushers, playmakers, and pass protectors. And so
30:50
Speaker 1: when we look at how we prioritize the positions quarterback,
30:55
Speaker 1: edge rushers, you gotta have pass catchers that are dominant,
30:59
Speaker 1: and you better have someone that can protect. So as
31:02
Speaker 1: we're looking at the number one overall pick, and we're
31:04
Speaker 1: looking at some of these top picks in the first
31:06
Speaker 1: couple of rounds, if you're not necessarily loading up in
31:11
Speaker 1: those four areas. It's gonna be hard for you to
31:13
Speaker 1: win in this league because the best teams have blue
31:17
Speaker 1: chip players in those areas and they're willing to pay
31:20
Speaker 1: big money to secure those talents. I've been on this
31:23
Speaker 1: topic all off season, and I'll ask Bucky this, in
31:28
Speaker 1: the next five years, do we see a number one
31:29
Speaker 1: receiver go over I mean, now, do we see a
31:31
Speaker 1: receiver go number one overall? I'll bet we do. I
31:34
Speaker 1: think we're going back to it. I think I think so.
31:38
Speaker 1: Like it's John like it's funny because I was like, ah, well,
31:41
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you can get that guy outside of
31:43
Speaker 1: the first round, and you can because some of these
31:46
Speaker 1: guys that are getting paid like it's funny because they
31:48
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily first round played picks. Stefon Diggs was a
31:50
Speaker 1: fifth rounder, Davante Adams was the second rounder. Tyreek Kill
31:54
Speaker 1: was a fifth rounder. Uh. The thing that you are
31:57
Speaker 1: going to have to make a decision on is when
31:59
Speaker 1: you develop a guy and you get them to the
32:01
Speaker 1: point where you pay them once, are you going to
32:04
Speaker 1: pay them again? With the prices being what they are
32:09
Speaker 1: last year. In the top thirty in terms of receiving yards.
32:13
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a wide receiver that
32:15
Speaker 1: was thirty years or older. And so it's a young
32:19
Speaker 1: man's game, even out wide, and so that draft and
32:23
Speaker 1: developed is really upon us. And so you have to
32:28
Speaker 1: draft and you have to develop them. And it's almost like, yeah,
32:31
Speaker 1: I can give them one big contract, but then when
32:33
Speaker 1: they signed that big contract, I need to start thinking
32:35
Speaker 1: about who was eventually going to replace them, because it's
32:38
Speaker 1: going to be hard to keep two and three high
32:41
Speaker 1: price receivers. So you always have to have a young
32:44
Speaker 1: one developing in the hopper to eventually replace the number
32:48
Speaker 1: one that you have on the team. Last wide receiver,
32:51
Speaker 1: number one overall. Keisha Johnson nineteen six to the New
32:56
Speaker 1: York Jets And my favorite Keishan Johnson story Pete Prisca.
33:01
Speaker 1: It's actually Pete Prisca's Keyshan Johnson story. But he's at
33:03
Speaker 1: the combine in of course Pete's digging around trying to
33:08
Speaker 1: dig up c R A P and and so he goes, uh, hey, Keishan,
33:12
Speaker 1: he was Keyshan was Keishan? And uh hey, key Shan,
33:16
Speaker 1: what did you think about playing for Tom Cough? Yeah?
33:19
Speaker 1: Thinking he was and Keishan looks. Coach cough he cool.
33:23
Speaker 1: So that's uh, didn't get what you're looking for, but
33:28
Speaker 1: coach cough he cool. Quote that's good. H Happy. Our
33:33
Speaker 1: radio tomorrow four o'clock on tint xl AM in Jacksonville,
33:36
Speaker 1: Jeff Logoman and I will have defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell
33:40
Speaker 1: in studio with us. We'll get his thoughts on some
33:42
Speaker 1: of the new additions in free agency and what they
33:44
Speaker 1: could bring to this Jaguars defense. Of course, pass to
33:47
Speaker 1: the draft six o'clock Monday through Friday, NFL Network with
33:51
Speaker 1: our friend Bucky Brooks and John. You'll have stuff all
33:54
Speaker 1: over the website. Come on, will Bucky and I starting
33:57
Speaker 1: next week. I think, uh we'll be um writing draft
34:02
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. If Bucky knows that yet, but
34:04
Speaker 1: I'm I'm telling him. But yeah, and and uh again.
34:08
Speaker 1: The reason I mentioned it is he's so good on
34:11
Speaker 1: these shows, but digging down deep and writing about these guys.
34:17
Speaker 1: I really enjoy Bucky stuff when it comes in. I
34:19
Speaker 1: think fans will take so looking forward to Bucky will
34:23
Speaker 1: talk to you again next week. Shou'd be a lot
34:25
Speaker 1: of fun guys looking forward to Bucky Brooks NFL Network,
34:28
Speaker 1: John Oser, Jaguars dot Com. I'm J. P. Shadrick for
34:31
Speaker 1: our producer Joe Fortunado. Thank you for listening to the
34:35
Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast.