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Episode 218: The Long Goodbye (SG-A 2.16) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and eighteen talking Stargate Atlantis to get in a
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Gate team here, Mitch, Maddie and Brendan, what's doing. Uh,
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look, it's gonna it sounds pretty good, but it's gonna sound a little
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different. Maddie and I in the studio. Buddy Brandon, he's at home.
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He's caught the SETI drip and he's just at home, just rubbing some
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sweet lotion on that bad boy. It's a deep, deep burn. I
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mean, normally we'd be happy to rub the lotion in ourselves for you.
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Yeah, yeah, what are you gonna be? Gonnaday, what are you
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gonna do? I know? And hit us last minute too, So that's
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right, we're making do because we wanted to talk some Gate and this this
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real critical episode. You know last week we said, hey, it's at
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a lot of weir, a lot more weir, different weir, some action
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weir. And Brendan's like me, if I'm going to miss out on this,
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boys, you arm me in. I want to talk and also welcome
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to Maddie's own brought in were Brendan, who you can see on the screens
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that we've got there just a little little little weird gross that's going to join
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us all as well, all six inches of her uma say no more?
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All right, the long goodbye, Let's have a look an energy beam hits
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were allowing her to harbor the consciousness of Phoebus. Shepherd agrees to harbor her
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husband's consciousness so they can communicate one last time. She has tricked them.
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They were enemies. The team must find a way to stop them before they
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destroy before they destroy each other. And Atlantis written by Damian Kindla Kindler,
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directed by Annie A key to this one and Yeah, weird goes rogue,
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It's funny one. I enjoyed it and like as it went along that The
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one thing that did for me is the first timer that I really did appreciate
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was that I legitimately didn't know how it was going to win because of the
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way that they'd set it up. I don't think the writers did either.
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Thanks a lot, Davien. Obviously we knew that there was a point where
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we were just going to be able to wait it out, but Phoebus Weia
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was putting herself in a situation that wasn't going to allow the rest of the
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expedition, and the team members to allow that to happen. We just didn't
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have the time to wait it out. So I like that. And then
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you know, you get to that moment, you know, not to skip
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straight to it, but where Taylor is faced with having to shoot Shephard just
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to kill the consciousness within him but kill his actual body. I'm like,
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gee, this is a little bit of a pickle here. So yeah,
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I was a bit sort of lost as it went along, going Okay,
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so we're just watching two people that I mean, there was a moment there
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when they come out, you know, they finally admitted what they were,
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and they went hiding them anymore. They're chasing each other around and still kind
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of keeping up the thing, Oh yeah, we're a husband and wife almost
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like you know, but then it was like, no, we're enemies,
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and it's oh, there's the war, and then we're warring people. So
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I'm like, what is I don't know what really. Yeah, they're never
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really filled in those gaps of what the hell they were talking about. Yeah,
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did they pretend they are husband and wife? Why did they kiss?
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And then why did they try to kill each other? Yeah, like surely
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we Okay, so Phoebus get jumps into we I mean it wasn't her doing.
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It was the computers, as far as we're led to believe, right,
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And then they go, hey, we've brought someone else in and shes,
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oh, that's my husband John. Do you Is it all right?
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If you know you like, why not just kill the body? You know,
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like, why not find a way pretend you weave for a little while,
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walk around, come in afterwards and unhook you know, the life supporter
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or something. I've got. I've got three and a half words that will
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help you, guys, immeasurably. You're enjoyment of this episode, mister and
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missus Smith. I thought you're going to say, Robert C. Cooper,
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No, because I like this episode. It's fun. You don't get to
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see weird weird. There's too many plotholes for me. It's like the start
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of it is like Holiday inn SG one Holiday two point, you know,
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where Michello comes to earth and get Daniel get zapped and they swapped bodies.
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That's what us thought was happening before the first had break. Yeah, and
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well that's not a plothole, that's just your assumptions. Well that's that was
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my first not long the plotholes for me were Yeah, like Mitch said,
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she could have just walked in there and just stabbed him immediately. And I
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think, I think it's we don't know how long, Like they could have
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been doing this for centuries, like that old lady, I'm assuming wasn't even
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Phoebus's first body, Like she's gone through a few at this time. That's
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my thing. They've been doing this for hundreds of years. The war that
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they were fighting is long gone. So for me at this point, it's
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they're not looking for a final victory. They're looking for a moral victory.
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And Phoebus does have a couple of moments there, it's like she just wants
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to see that look of defeat in Phalan's face. I think they've been doing
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this so long, they're both psychos. Yeah, they've lost makes perspective just
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from it, it makes you think it's not her first body. Well,
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just because they've the way they've been talking about it, and like there's no
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like, we don't I mean, we don't know because there's no time for
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us to investigate sort of the planet where we found them or anything like,
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because we're all kind of locked on the base. But what's they talk about,
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you know, it's it's a it's a war that's been over for however
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long. Like it just to me, it feels like it's almost like a
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choose your own adventure, Like you can decide whether that you know, whether
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they've been going for a hundred years or a thousand years or like we don't
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know even know how long they were in stasis. So yeah, I get
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that bit. But like when they say that the imprint is temporary, yeah,
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I don't see how she could jump to another body or you think that
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that's that's a fair point. I guess. Yeah, the pod keep pumping
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out a mind to other people. Yeah, strangely that it would actually make
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it more not believable for me, But like I was just picturing the idea
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that this old you know, because I just assumed that an old person is
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going to be a little bit more wise and not as not as gun ho
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sort of thing, like the idea that this old woman, hey, she
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gets a new body to play around. She's like, yeah, your people
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will never win this war. And I'm like, bro, you're like eighty,
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like you know, couldn't couldn't haven't you reached the point where it's like
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war is pointless, Like why do we even do this? Like even she
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said, you know, I got the feeling it was almost a more pathetic
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climax, not pathetic in a like this episode or the character, but just
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like the backstory of the war between these two nations than we experienced on what
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was the shitty planet that of the civil war a couple of weeks ago on
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SG one where the Prometheus got blowed up. Icon play like that. Yeah,
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like they were having this stupid civil war that both knew was bad and
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that would admit in their own circles. We don't even know why we're doing
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this, but we are. And well, as long as we win and
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then it will be over. If we end it, then it will then
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we'll be fine. We didn't make any logical sense, whereas these we don't
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get much of a backstory, so we can't blame the backstory. But maybe
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that's what you know, Brennan was saying before. We don't get to find
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out all the little bits and pieces along the way that would justify why these
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two were just like we might be the last two people of our respective planets,
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nations, whatever, and it doesn't matter that we might have been floating
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around in space for a thousand years, because even they don't know that.
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They're just like, hey, we've gotten a chance now to be the one
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to kill the final person on the other side, and you know what,
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yeah, as long as I get to have that, and I'm like,
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oh, I could just like I get it for long goodbye. It just
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seems it's just so pointless, even the point she couldn't just lock him in
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a room and watch him be the first one to fall back into being Shepherd,
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even though you know he was. He came to second, you know,
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so by rights she should have died first within Weir's body, but like,
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wouldn't that have been just as satisfying, Like, oh, I don't
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know. It just it just seemed like such a pointless war that they were
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having, that they were continuing on without even knowing how the rest of their
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people, whether they survived, whether they died off, whether the war had
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ended, whether they'd come together peacefully like they were just like where we mean,
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Yeah, I think maybe maybe some flashbacks could have helped in this episode
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in terms of how did how did the two of them get into those pods
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at the end, Like obviously they you know there had to be something,
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whether it was like you know, they were both fighting on a ship or
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something like that, and then it was a self destruct and they're the last
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two. The guy like, yeah, it would have been nice to have
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a little bit of backstore or just a line on that, like the pods
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say years since you've been in stasis. Yeah, but that would be enough.
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Yeah, Yeah, I guess I got. I got a little bit
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of a like a warrior style thing, like a like a Samurai type style
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thing, and where it's like you need to earn the wind. They want
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one of them wanted to earn the wind, and it's like there's there's that
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much hatred between them that it's like, no, no, I'm not just
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going to take it by default. I want to see the look of defeat
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in your eyes. And you know, weird does well a phoebus does see
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that say that, And I don't know, I just I kind of liked
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it. No, I don't, I don't mind as it rolls on.
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I just I think, yeah, that that line that you guys are just
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mentioning that if we get like a twelve hundred years or something, that I
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think that puts more weight onto how far gone those respective cultures were that even
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though they've been in stasis for twelve hundred years, they were on the verge
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of one killing the other. So they don't know it's done. By this
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point, it's been ended for probably a millennium, and yet they're still willing
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to spend their last hour, last six hours alive in another person's body,
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still fighting it out, and only through speaking about it now. It reminds
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me those stories or that one story of that that soldier that came out of
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hiding in like what the mid to late eighties, and he was a soldier
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from World War Two and he had been living in the jungle for like forty
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years. He went into another war was finished, like he come out.
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He's an old man, and people like, it's just an episode of our
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child. If you're confused anode. You know, we've found you know,
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we're we're we're we're okay now, Like you know, hey, we're we've
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got a great trade going on between our two nations. We've got this going
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on. You know, everything's, everything's fine. But these guys have been
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hiding out, and it would have been like that guy coming into an American
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civilization or something. You know, he's a Japanese soldier that gets brought to
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America for some reason and then just starts wanting to you know, kill people
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that used to be the enemy or something like that would just be just as
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as ridiculous, but I feel it for for me in the Stargate universe,
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where we've seen so very many petty races around, Like if you think about
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like Jonas's people, like and those warring factions in there, I would buy
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that if this episode we found out that those that Palan and Phoebus were actually
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two people from Jonas's planet, I would buy pieces of shit. So it's
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like we've seen that kind of personality type, you know, in Stargate before.
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So I guess that's why I never sort of bumped into the idea that,
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you know, they would be enlightened enough to sort of realize that off,
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whatever we've done, has this war has destroyed both our people's Yeah,
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and we're the only ones left. Yeah. And I was kind of disappointed
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that, like because when the show opens and we could passed the previously on
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and we get the Jumper just zooming through space, nothing around, just them
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zooming through, and I'm like, God, I love the isolation that those
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sort of shots give you, like you're in the middle of nowhere, there's
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nothing around. But then when they see the pods and you get that last
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shot before it cuts back to the base. And then he replied it,
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I'm like, oh, that's that's cool. But I just think it would
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be so much more, it would be so much scarier, so much sadder
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if in the middle of open wild dead space they found two pods floating up
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next to each other, Because it's like, how long have they been out
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there? And they're in the middle of absolutely they had just as they had
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more chances of not being found for another hundred thousand years than they were of
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being found by a rogue puddle jumper on its way back to Atlantis. And
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yet they still get woken up, and they still want to spend a couple
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of hours trying to be the last one standing. And it's just like a
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sad ending to these two people, probably these two cultures. Did they even
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say why they were there the puddle as in the puddle Jumper, Was it
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next to a gate? We didn't see a gate. No, I don't
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know what that opening thing was just them talking about Jeopardy, wasn't it.
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Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't know. Maybe they just came
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through a space gate. We're doing like a loop around the planet before they
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were going in and found the pods or something. Yeah, they didn't even
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say that it was strange. And then because I was like, hang on,
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is this above the Atlantis planet? For a second, I actually thought
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because there's no lines or anything to say otherwise, because I thought, yeah,
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like Mitch said that, I thought they were just in the vastness of
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space. They would have been way cooler to see just two pods floating out
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in the middle of nowhere, just some wreckage or something that's floating around.
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Yeah. I just felt that this episode was just so silly on too many
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levels to count. First of all, okay, let's say we're obviously got
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taken over by the mind thing, so she's she can't be the leader at
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the base anymore, like usually when you have an alien inside you, even
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if even if you're cohabitating, which they weren't. Shepherd definitely shouldn't have been
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the second person to put his hands up for that, just because she asked,
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like, he's in charge of the base now, Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, but they for him to go in there and then not
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even have a clear chain of command moving forward was Yeah, but Colwell should
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have been the guy to take it into the brain. You reckon Well in
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a weird way. I would have actually preferred the husband wife scenario instead of
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the enemy scenario because I thought it was just a cheap trick to get Weir
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and Shepherd to kiss, so the audience would be like, oh la la
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la, yah No, I you gotta remember this is this is two thousand
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and six. Mister missus Smith came out in two thousand and five. Yeah,
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So for me, it's just it's just a direct ripoff way of them
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to be able to do mister and missus Smith. So I get it,
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But maybe have the two pods there at the same time then instead of you
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making bad decisions as a collective. So if you have opening the two pods
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and Weir and Shepherd just happened to be standing there, I agree, would
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have been better. I agree, yeah, And then I could be like,
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oh, fine, I'm fine with all of this. Yeah, but
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I think they made a specific decision John, can you please volunteer to be
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a part of this? And he's like, I don't want to. But
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she's like, come on, John, and they're like, yeah, come
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on any way, especial because that wasn't weird speaking. That was Fevers speaking
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to the idea if she had full access to we as memories. She's identifying
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the most likely person to be able to kill her, as opposed to picking
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the bloke who's there, you know, you know, the guy who's yeah,
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the guy's on custard duty in the kitchen or something. It's like,
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why not pick that guy that's got no military experience, like every week going
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on missions or whatever. Why pick the highest ranked military operative, you know,
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the guy that's going out leading these missions as the one that you're going
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to try and kill. Always a part of the hunt for her. And
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then I guess on that a touch later, she's there firing a machine gun
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at him, So she's firing live bullets intent to kill. He's firing back
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at her with a blaster of some description, seemingly on stunt. Oh yeah,
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that's the new Raith Stunner, right, And so I'm like, is
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that the only thing that he could get his hands on? But you know,
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it was like almost that he didn't have as much intent to kill her
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as what she wanted to def absolutely bring him down. But even just on
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that with the kiss thing, why did they why did they kiss? Because
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I think I've forgotten about that since because again first time or I'm like,
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oh, they're kissing, and it was like, hey, we just want
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the room. They're not gonna have a room, We're just gonna why they
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get right into each other. But both of those people at that moment,
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independent of the audience who thought that was a real thing, those two people
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knew that they weren't married to those people, right, It wasn't like that.
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That's what That's what I think. I think it's a choose your own
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adventure. I think if it's a mystery and missus Smith knockoff, perhaps at
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one point they were married, maybe they were both undercover agents for either side
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of their of their respective side. Yeah, but we said he's not my
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husband. When he's not my husband, well, I'm just after Rodney shot
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at Shepherd and then and then we came back in the room and was saying,
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you know what, she goes, he's not my husband. Oh,
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I don't remember that part. Even just a setup like when they when they
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first revealed themselves to not be this you know, married couple that were just
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wanting to make out one last time. They're like, oh, where where
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are the guards? Put one guard out? Oh no, we you know
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it. Put two guds. They already do one on each end. And
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they sort of looked at each other like, okay, but you go take
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out that one. I'll go take out this one, and then we'll come
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back and we'll try and kill each other. Why not? And I just
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seem like they blew their one chance or their first chance to you know,
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put a put hands around the neck and try to strangle the life out of
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someone. But it's a game. They're enjoying it. Yeah, it's they
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that they don't they want to, you know, go mono and mono and
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defeat the other person they're trying. They don't want to like like, hey,
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it's it's not like they do want to kill I was about to say
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they don't want to kill that person. They do, but it's like they
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want to be the one to do it. It's it's a hunt, it's
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a cat and mouse. It's a game. They're enjoying it. It's it's
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it's no fun if the other person can't fight back. Yeah, and I
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guess then were Phoebus was just reduced to the end of it, and well,
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you know what, it comes the end. If I go to kill
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this guy, people are going to take me down. So she asked Taylor
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to do it and I'll just watch, you know, as long as I
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actually get to see it, and he knows that I'm the one encouraging this,
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this woman on Atlantis to pull the trigger, then well that's just as
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satisfying for me because I've probably got an hour left before I'm gone as well.
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A very serious man's counsel. He's not my husband, he's the enemy.
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Drop your weapon. Yeah right, yeah, that's why I was like,
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hang on, what so why did they kiss? Yeah? I just
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don't know where they kissed it was. I mean, I would have preferred
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that even if it was more cerebral doryline less action, if it was more
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like whoa, whoa, whoa. Well, did Brennan just ask for more
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cerebral less action? I think that's a first. I'm not Reese. He's
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wearing a Gibson T shirt right now. But that's where it gets it end.
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We we we see them, you know, they know that they've only
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got a few hours together, you know what their life will be, or
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even if they were enemies, trying to work it out instead of trying to
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it's just seemed too petty to care for me. It just seemed unreasonably petty,
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especially when you're taking account someone else's body. And if you have her
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memories, then you should know how important Atlantis is to the rest of the
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galaxy. Yeah, but she's also, like you just said, incredibly petty.
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Like I believe and know that she's incredibly petty. That they're they're both
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that petty that they're they're willing to fight to the last tooth and nail just
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for this pointless moral victory. And that's the point. That's obviously what they
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were doing. But yeah, the plot holes and everything that happened prior to
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that, I was just like, this doesn't make sense. Why is Shepherd
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the one doing it? And then why did Taylor lose to wear just because
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we had this fighting knowledge like we doesn't work out as hard as Taylor.
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Taylor should have been able to whip it, but she got stunned from behind,
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right didn't Shepherd shot? Like she I think she was right ready to
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get We took out an entire tactical team. Maybe she took out you know,
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they're not that was awesome and they weren't expecting that. Teams like SG
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eleven, they're not very good. She did take that. Like what about
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kill Bill where there's like the guy that's training the bride's like four hundred years
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old with with white hair and the longest goateee ever, he's a frail old
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man and he was able to kick the bride's us. It's knowledge. No,
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he wasn't frail, but he was four hundred years old. Like if
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it doesn't know, I reckon. If let's say Jason Momoa swap places in
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my body, do you reckon he'd be able to do one hundred push ups?
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Still? No, Yeah, push up is different to to actual martial
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arts, Like you still need to put in a lot of If if there
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was a four foot tall guy that new Brazilian jiu jitsu, I guarantee you
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he'd be able to fuck me up. Yeah, I guarantee you, even
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though I'd be twice his size, twice his way. But they weren't doing
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jiu jitsu. It's an example. I'm just saying she was able to counter
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move, swing move, bang bang bang bang bang. There was I think
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there was a lot of surprise in that Taylor's way better than her, and
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Taylor's way better than Weir, but she's obviously not better than Phoebus. But
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she didn't get taken down my feverus like she was in the fire. She
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was ready to take and then and Shepherd, Yeah, Shepherd got her from
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behind. But then I was really wanting her to explain that because when Caldwell's
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back in the room communicating the Taylor and he's like, she's weary, I'm
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on the hunt for Weir. I know where she is. Okay, we'll
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send back up. She's I can take Weir, It's fine. And then
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she gets surprised by Shepherd. And then when she comes to she buzzes back
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to Colby and I was unable to take down Weir. And I'm like us,
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say why, it's it's not that weird, like beat you one on
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one, Like I want you to clear that up right now. That went
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till later. There's gonna be a lot of explaining later. But Taylor,
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I believe that you could have you could have done that. So it was
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kind of good that they threw Taylor into a situation based on what we know
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about Taylor. We don't know enough about Phoebus, but but just based purely
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on what we know about Taylor, she should be able to take down Yeah,
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anyone really that comes along. Okay, but remember how Taylor almost lost
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to that little tiny redhead back in the Storm and the Eye when they had
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their NiFe fight. Like you know, Taylor doesn't have superhuman aside from the
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pilot episode, Taylor doesn't have any superhuman ability. She's just a good fighters.
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Don't get me wrong. I would have loved to have seen a long,
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extended fight of Taylor and Phoebus going at it. I think that would
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like in the same way we've seen um Taylor do the training sequences with both
22:45
Ronan and Shepherd. I would have loved it, even even the moment that
22:51
I mean in the commentary they call it the Bourne identity moment, and that's
22:53
that's that's a big step to call it that. But like the moment where
22:56
the moment where Phoebus takes down that security team, Yeah, that could have
23:00
been twice as long. I didn't mind. I didn't love that. Yeah,
23:03
they were shocked, I think more than anything. Yeah, just my
23:07
favorite part, and I think I shared it on Twitter maybe last year or
23:10
something like that. Someone actually did it was like a weird fan video to
23:14
um To a song. And that's my favorite one is just where like just
23:18
the shot where the soldier puts his arm on Phoebus's shoulder and Phoebus just kind
23:22
of turns and looks down at the shoulder, Like I just think love that
23:26
shot so much because you just know, like she's about direct shot. Yeah,
23:30
yeah, it's always A good director was Mitch Mikita. That was interesting,
23:37
like they've done that before between towers and stuff, but he had a
23:40
lot of moving angles and camera movements in there. Yeah. Yeah, I
23:45
think maybe one of the things you're picking up on is this was very This
23:49
show was really all over the place in terms of the shooting schedule. So
23:55
basically they had three weeks three days of primary photography, and then the rest
24:00
it was filmed over months, Like it was just pick up shots because obviously
24:03
a lot of it was yeah, like the travel you're talking about, and
24:06
just lots of individual scenes. So it's just like they filmed as much as
24:10
they could in three days and then everything else would just pick up. So
24:11
it's like, oh, Rachel's got two three hours go and light down in
24:15
front of that door, and we're gonna have the door almost closed on your
24:18
head and we're going to add to that episode. You know. So it
24:22
did take the months and months and months to film this episode, just in
24:26
little chunks here and there, here and there, here and there. Well,
24:29
it feels like an episode of TV that would have been shot in twenty
24:33
twenty one, like post COVID, Like we've still got all these restrictions.
24:37
We can only have so many people on set at all times. So a
24:40
lot of shows and it'll go to show we go to Binger, show that
24:44
started in twenty nineteen and goes and through until twenty twenty four or something.
24:48
We're going to have a midpoint, a mid season season three or something in
24:51
there where it is just going to esthetically look a lot different. Whether it's
24:56
just in the storyline where they have to write the fact that none of these
24:57
characters are together. But this would have been a perfect episode for them to
25:03
have written in a post COVID time, Yeah, because it made it like
25:06
she sections up. They put all the non essential personnel into a room.
25:11
We don't ever have to see them at the end, they're under threat by
25:15
Weir Phoebus, who wants to incinerate them, but we as by herself,
25:19
Shepherd for the most parties by himself, Taylor for the most parties by herself.
25:22
You really only needed called Well and Rodney there in that scene back in
25:27
the operations, and a couple of people in the background, But other than
25:32
that, you didn't need a lot of people in this episode. But yeah,
25:34
I mean, yeah, you could have. You could So it does
25:37
make sense. You're saying that they are at a piece together, which is
25:40
really interesting, and it would have been it would look like a lot of
25:44
TV shows over the last couple of years would look like I think if we
25:47
go and compare them. Yeah, I did love the young you mentioned just
25:48
then. I did love, actually love the called Well McKay scene, where
25:53
like McCay's trying to be like, well, shouldn't I'm like the next scene
25:57
like, after we're in Shepherd, I'm the most next senior person, right,
26:02
so shouldn't I be in charge of the BATI and you'd be running these
26:04
things by me Coldwell and he's like down, yeah, and in someone I
26:11
know Brendon said before bad it would have been cool to have seen Caldwell take
26:15
on the consciousness, and I guess that's what the previously on probably would have
26:22
supported that the idea that he was under the control of a Gould for so
26:27
long and that wasn't his choosing, whereas this one he would have chosen to
26:30
have done something similar for a much better, much nicer reason, only for
26:37
it to work against him again because otherwise the previously I was just about,
26:41
Hey, Caldwell did this and it wasn't his fault, and then we get
26:44
reintroduced to him in this episode, him feeling guilty about it, them saying,
26:45
hey, bro, wasn't your doing. Don't worry about it, and
26:49
then it was mostly dropped until towards the end where it's like Rodney, don't
26:53
you trust me? No, Well, I do, but I'm not going
26:56
to prove it, you know, And then that was kind of it.
27:00
So it would have been an injury. I don't know where that would have
27:03
gone to. But the idea that the previously I was like, hey,
27:06
Caldwell, had this happened, he feels really bad about it. Now here's
27:10
the rest of the episode and it's not going to affect it too much except
27:12
for a throwaway gag from roddy Well. I think I think it's twofold for
27:17
me, it's this is the episode where we're introduced to the kind of friendlier
27:21
yeah Caldwell. Ye, this is because we don't know how long that he's
27:22
been a guo old. So this is us as an audience meeting nice Caldwell.
27:27
And then I guess the twofold of that is if it had been the
27:30
other way around. Do we do we really care about an episode of where
27:34
and Caldwell running around making out and shooting each other or do we want to
27:38
see the two main stars of the show doing it. Yeah, and we
27:41
know that Shepherd doesn't stay in quarantine zones, so it's like if he was
27:47
the one stuck in in the what do they call it Stargate operations whatever that
27:53
room is where the their version of the Gate room or whatever it is.
27:56
Yeah, you know that Shepherd wouldn't have day there to command everything. He
28:00
would have grabbed a P ninety and run and he would have been shooting at
28:03
the both of them anyway. Yeah, he's he's an action guy. He's
28:07
not a stand in the command center and give orders guy, whereas Calledwell is
28:12
Yeah, so I think it was has a good dark side too. He's
28:15
acting as well. Yeah, because Pelegimate and he when he found out that
28:22
he was a goold, it was only like a minute or two where he
28:26
could use that. Yeah. Yeah, been a nicer episode for him to
28:30
use it. Yeah, even I guess three of them could be going at
28:33
it. Yeah, opposite to what I said of having him in there,
28:36
maybe you keep the way that it was in this episode. Shepherd v we
28:40
are calledwell in control of the base, but maybe him going like to justify
28:45
what they ended up making the previously on which I guess when you're writing an
28:48
episode, you're not writing what you're going to remind people of when it's all
28:52
cut together. But to justify that, maybe have him make some harsher decisions
28:57
other than okaying tailored. You know, well, we didn't even a case
29:00
to Taylor, I'm I'm wiping my hands of this. I want to control
29:03
every decision on this base. Taylor, what you have to maybe shoot Shepherd.
29:07
I'm not going to tell you what to do. That's your doing.
29:10
I'm not getting called marshaled over this shit. So maybe have him because he
29:15
was taken over by another entity, another being that he didn't permit to make
29:18
bad decisions within his body, have him make some harsher calls to try and
29:25
protect Weir or trying to protect Shepherd, or to try and end their threat
29:29
sooner than what he might have allowed had that good thing not happen. Yeah,
29:33
there might have been a good moment at the end where, like,
29:36
you know, because we was the Phoebus was going through that whole halon fire
29:40
suppression system, redirecting it. That was a bit of a stretch for me.
29:44
Yeah, but I was like, yeah, maybe there could have been
29:45
a cool moment where it's like McKay can stop it, but the only way
29:48
to stop it is to redirect it to Weir. So it's like, you
29:52
know, Caldwell would have had to have chosen between saving the entire expedition or
30:00
killing we Are with Phoebus in control or something like that. That might have
30:03
been fun. But I did like that they gave him a moment where like
30:06
Roddy's yelling doing his normal sort of over the top shit, and Caldwell goes,
30:10
you remember how I said no to this thing the whole time? Like
30:14
I didn't. I actually thought this was a whole lot bad idea from the
30:17
start, and Roddy's like, you are right, you know she did.
30:22
That's why to me, I think it crossed all the all the eyes and
30:25
all the teas, Like, I know you have issues with a lot of
30:27
it, but it's for me. It's also like, well, you know,
30:30
as as you say, you know, we as run by her emotions.
30:33
So she was just like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah,
30:37
you know she was because she did fake them out at one point by you
30:40
know, pretending that she was really weird like that. Phoebus was able to
30:45
sort of sit in the background and we was able to come out and go,
30:49
no, no, she's she's genuine. She's absolutely genuine, Like pull
30:52
that that sort of fake goo old style. Nothing of the host survives cut
30:56
things. So yeah, that was really well done because I mean, we
31:00
don't know that the power of these consciousness have over the body, so are
31:04
they able you know, is the is the real person able to take over
31:07
at any point? Is it? Very very simple transition. So Tory Higginson,
31:11
acting as Phoebus, acting as we are, was convincing that it was
31:15
just weird. There was no that sort of middle carriage, I think,
31:18
and I think if if we had Phoebus had tried to pull that at the
31:22
SGC in front of like O'Neill or Carter or Jackson, they'd be like,
31:26
yeah, we've we've seen this dog and pony show before. But it was
31:30
set up, you know, last week or whatever. It was like when
31:33
when Caldwell was it was revealed to be a goold Shepherd has no idea what
31:37
a gold is. He's had no experience with it. He doesn't know the
31:41
telltale signs or anything like that. So I think that's why he also bought
31:45
fake we are yeah, um saying no, it's really me, please John,
31:48
you know, blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. So yeah,
31:52
apart from when Caldwell had it in him, yeah yeah, but like he
31:56
said it was, he was about eight seconds worth of yeah of you know,
32:00
seeing an actual melodramatic glowy eyed Google before he was taken down. Well
32:06
on that, I felt like they did Ronan really dirty by I was waiting
32:12
for, like it was all part of his plan or something, because he
32:15
then says to Taylor, Hey, I'm going to go after Shepherd's the way
32:19
he guess because I know the way he thinks I don't have any idea how
32:22
weird thinks, so I can't adapt to that. But I can adjust whether
32:25
or not I think it's Shepherd because I know him and I know the way
32:28
that he thinks, and if it's any different than that, I know it's
32:30
going to be this other, this other consciousness runs into Shepherd. He's like
32:34
it's me, Gus, Yeah, fair enough, he's a gun, you
32:37
know, like, or I'll take the garment, I'll work with you.
32:39
And I'm like, oh now, it's all part of this, is all
32:40
part of the plan. It's all fine. And the end he just ends
32:44
up on his ass looking up at Shepherd shot going oh so it's not you.
32:47
He's like, no, you're fucking idiot, and then just walks out
32:50
on him and I'm like, oh so there was no redemption moment for Ronan
32:52
to go. No, I didn't get sucked in the very first second that
32:57
I got like, I felt really like again, first time watching you guys
33:00
have said to me, for a lot of it, they don't give Ronan
33:05
a lot to do. That's truly ron And he's either just reacting to other
33:07
people's things or he's doing the exact same thing that everyone else is doing.
33:10
And then every what fourth episode of the ongoing seasons, they give a real
33:15
Ronan episode and throw yeah, yeah, yeah again, great moment, they
33:20
go, hey, you killed a potential rapist, and then the episode goes
33:22
he was wrong for doing that because murder is bad. You're like, okay,
33:27
well, I just thought he finally got to do something on his own,
33:29
and now you're telling me it's wrong. And then they give him something
33:31
to do here where he's going to get a moment to truly go I'm part
33:34
of this team. I know my teammates. I can tell the difference when
33:37
no one else know. I'm on the ground and I've been shot, and
33:39
then I'm in the ICU for the rest of the episode. Like, I
33:42
don't know. I just felt like they did him really dirty. And again,
33:45
there's another three and a half seasons with this bloke. Granted that he's
33:46
there at the end of the season five, I don't know, so there's
33:49
a lot more time for him to give what he's you know, I guess
33:52
in hindsight, now that we know who Jason Momowo becomes a little bit more
33:57
credits. But at the moment, I'm just feeling like they done him dirty.
34:00
Yeah, I do think, like you know, there's there's better ways
34:05
to Like, I just enjoy it as just a popcorn episode like I just
34:07
did. They're and just enjoy seeing, you know, people doing things you
34:10
wouldn't normally see them do. But I think, yeah, from a story
34:13
point of view, there's better ways to do this if you're not just trying
34:15
to rip off a Brad Pitt and Angela and Jolie film. Like, yeah,
34:20
I would have maybe maybe the team went to a planet. We was
34:24
there because insert a reason or whatever, and it's like we're in Shepherds still
34:30
get taken over by these two, but they're actually working together, and Taylor
34:35
and Ronan have to hunt Shepherd and we are with these personalities taken over that
34:40
are actually, in a lot of ways very equal to what they can do.
34:45
Yeah, that would be really fun because then you get to see these
34:47
pairs doing some really badass stuff and just doing cool shit. Yeah, you
34:52
know, and and you know, fighting against each other and tricking each other
34:57
and setting up traps and all that kind of stuff could have been a really
35:00
fun way to do things. It would have made more sense on a planet
35:02
because there was and that would have been great because there was an episode a
35:05
couple of weeks ago, you know, when we said, oh, the
35:07
colored people were not to be seen in this episode. So to then give
35:10
them their entire episode, like you would have had the main cast there,
35:14
but it would have been half of them versus the other half, So it
35:16
would have given Taylor and Roan a little bit more ownership on the story.
35:21
But there was that moment where Phoebus and Taylor have taken off in opposite directions
35:28
and everyone's hunting out for them, and Taylor says, now we contract It
35:31
was a Taylor or Ronan said whoever it was, said we contract them,
35:35
just let us do it. And I'm like, cool, I don't see
35:38
them. Like making footprints in the dirt, you can tell that that was
35:42
made two hours ago. They haven't brushed past a tree and broken a branch.
35:45
Were in a city with life style detective like, this is the this
35:49
is the cleanest place you might ever ever go for the rest of your life,
35:52
the city of Atlantis. Like anything that you can see if there's a
35:55
box that has been knocked over in a hallway, old mate, you know,
36:00
team too, he can see that, you know, like Zelenka would
36:04
be able to tell if a door has been left open where it should have
36:06
been locked, like the line the justification they gave those two characters, which,
36:09
hey, we can track them down. I'm like, I know that
36:13
you can, but not here. That's got We've got senses for that.
36:16
You know, you can see him on my phone, right, I'm sorry,
36:20
Ronand there's an app for that at the moment. And then to go,
36:22
okay, good, go off and do the thing that only you can
36:24
do, and then have him written off for the rest of the episode because
36:28
he made a critical mistake straight away. I just thought, damn, you've
36:31
done him dirt. I feel like all of these potholes could have been prevented
36:37
by and made it a much better episode if that opened the pods at the
36:40
same time, because you're you're not getting that decision making as a team that
36:45
they needed to have to cause this scenario. Basically everyone in that scenario up
36:51
except probably where yeah, I think they were. Maybe they were maybe stuck
36:55
on the idea of them having that moment in the pod like that that character
37:00
building me on in the pod talking about Jeopardy and TV and stuff like that,
37:04
because if you think about it. That was awesome. Yeah, I
37:07
love that. But then they encounter the first pod and it's like, even
37:10
in my brain, I was like, oh, is that pod even gonna
37:13
fit in the back of the jumper. Yeah, Like I was pushing that,
37:15
let alone them trying to fit two pods at once in the jumper.
37:20
So I think that's why they kind of got bogged down and went, oh,
37:22
we'll pick up the first pod take it back home, and then the
37:25
person inside the POD's gonna say, oh, there's another one out there.
37:28
Yeah. Yeah. If they'd been maybe on the Dedalists and encountered both pods
37:34
at the same time, and maybe the show took place of everyone running around
37:39
and then called well taking control of the Dedalists, going hey, this is
37:43
my ship, not just like well, sure you're the next military guy,
37:46
but you know, I'm a you know, it gives him reason to actually
37:49
be in this episode. Yeah, And then like the idea I were and
37:52
Shepherd they know everything there is to know about this city, and I'm like,
37:57
there were moments where Weird is going up messing with the engineering of the
38:00
city, and I'm like, I don't necessarily think that she would know that,
38:05
and that she like, realigns these pipes and if I do this with
38:09
these cables and it'll reroute these computer I'm like, she's not a computer genius,
38:14
you know, she's not a structural engineer. If you put them on
38:16
the Dedalusts and they're just kind of working with what's in front of them,
38:21
Shephard wouldn't know what he's looking at for the most part. Weird doesn't know
38:22
what she's looking at for the most part. Maybe she's got some maxcess cards
38:25
a ghetto places that maybe John doesn't, but John knows weaponry or something like
38:30
that. But even further, sorry to the if they're still at floating around,
38:34
take the Dedalus away and they still have to come back and get them,
38:37
which I think if they would have actually been in coffin sized pods,
38:40
they could have easily fit two on the jumper. So the idea that they
38:45
made them, yeah, they only made them big so that they couldn't bring
38:47
the two back, which then we're saying, maybe that would have been a
38:50
better idea. But the idea that they could only take one and how hey
38:54
we sent the other team and the other puddle jumper out to pick it up.
38:58
Ronan and Taylor went with them to find it. I'm like, again,
39:01
if they were on a planet and they go, hey, this is
39:04
where we walk to see there's that big tree. We couldn't have told you
39:07
that when we were back at the base. They were floating in space.
39:09
This thing has been floating through space for five hundred years, two thousand years,
39:14
we don't know. So what do they do? Go back to like
39:15
the rough coordinates of where they picked up the other one and go, well,
39:20
this looks like the same type of space that we were in before.
39:22
We're in partial orbit of that giant planet and I can see like a billion
39:28
stars of where it was like right here we came through the gate. We
39:30
spoke for about forty seven seconds about TV. I'm not sure what speed John
39:37
was doing, but if you could be doing the same speed as John while
39:40
we're talking, that'll get us to about that. Yeah, I just drop
39:47
a pin. The first time. I felt like because Carson told everybody that
39:54
it was a temporary thing or it, like he confirmed what we said it
40:00
temporary. That lost some of the peril in the episode as well. I
40:02
feel like if they opened at the same time, he wouldn't have been able
40:06
to have time to to realize this or at least, you know, pick
40:09
up on that it is temporary, and there would have been more peril and
40:13
I would have been on board with the entire episode. Yeah, I would.
40:16
I would agree with that. Yeah, knowing that it's temporary from the
40:19
start, I think was their way of trying to add like ticking clock.
40:23
But you know, like a lot of it was it was just like,
40:28
we'll just wait them out. We just we'll just wait them out and then
40:30
this whole thing won't matter. But then it became well, they can do
40:34
a lot of damage knowing that it's temporary. But I think, yeah,
40:37
if they were just you know, play fighting as normal for the first half
40:42
of it, and then you know, maybe the end of the second act
40:44
or something like that, is when you know, Colwell maybe drops you know
40:47
and says to them, We'll guess what we've just discovered. It's only temporary,
40:51
so you guys, you know, we're just and that's when Phoebus goes
40:54
like full crazy and then starts you know, doing her you know all Mary
41:00
kind of ship with the halon fire suppressed and all that kind of stuff.
41:02
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand that because it kind of ties in the
41:06
halon suppressor stuff going into the life support even though we're not in space.
41:14
This is something that we spoke about last week, I think when like we
41:19
were just throwing like Mitch mentioned it, I believe, and we just said,
41:22
well, they just opened a window. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
41:25
at the end of the day, obviously it is a space ship. And
41:29
I guess I guess in the same way like in a in a car,
41:32
like we have life control, but they call it like climate control, you
41:36
know, and stuff like that. So I think that's all. I think
41:39
Atlantis, you know, when it's you know, not in space, just
41:43
has a fancy version of climate control. Like I mean, obviously there would
41:46
be a lot of areas under the city where you would have to have big
41:51
air vents and stuff, like in the same way a big building has air
41:53
vents to get to the underside. Yeah, you would have to have some
41:57
way to push oxygen. I don't think it's necessarily generating oxygen right now.
42:01
It's just like sucking it from outside and pushing it inside. That's true,
42:07
but yeah, because that seems like a really waste a lot of power.
42:09
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. I think like if you go into
42:14
like a you know, an office building, like a you know, really
42:17
high a tall city building. It technically has life support, but they don't
42:22
call it that. You know, it's just you know, just the head
42:27
John McLean. He was crawling around in the life support of Toby Tower,
42:31
you know. So it's just it's I think it's yeah, they just kind
42:35
of got bogged down into feeling like they needed to use sci fi terms.
42:39
Yeah, when it was just it was just the air events. But yeah,
42:42
I think, um, from what I understand of halon, it's an
42:45
oxygen retardant in that Yeah, I think they said something about in case of
42:52
fire. Yeah, so if you if you pump halon into a room,
43:00
it like air runs no air runs away from it. It's like air can't
43:06
exist in the same space as halon. So if you put if you're putting
43:09
Halon around a flame, that flame suddenly has no oxygen around it. So
43:15
that's that's sort of what it was. It's like, well, okay,
43:16
if you pump Halon into a room that has humans in it, there's gonna
43:20
be no oxygen for them to breathe because the oxygen is getting pushed away elsewhere.
43:23
The ancients would have had a better system. Well no, they said
43:28
there was the humans that that put it. They put in the Halon fire
43:31
suppression system as a new thing, and yeah, the irony being that we
43:37
had, you know, questions about it and then Phoebus was actually ended up
43:42
using that to try and kill everybody. And just interesting on the idea that
43:47
putting this all, basing this all on the Dadalus might have fixed up a
43:51
couple of problems that too would have worked, but the idea when well,
43:53
they're still down there exist within an atmosphere and you know, whether you crack
43:58
a window or not, or people could you know, there would have been
44:00
the chance of them. I know that you get a locked in a room,
44:02
but they could have just been out in a balcony somewhere out of the
44:06
the you know, the port basically on the water, waiting this out.
44:09
Whereas if you're on the dead list, you know you're stuck on there.
44:13
That's actual life support. Yeah, yeah, you're in a box in space.
44:16
Yeah, like with artificial air. Mister and Missus Smith meets the first
44:20
alien film sort of thing. It's like we're stuck in this box that no
44:22
one understands and two people are hunting each other and then eventually they're going to
44:25
come for us, and then maybe bring in the idea that you guys were
44:30
brought up before, what if there was no ticking clock? I think I
44:36
think it works both ways for the moment where Taylor is holding that gun,
44:39
because when you know that there is a ticking clock, you're like, she
44:44
doesn't have to kill him. He's going to die anyway, you don't have
44:46
to do it. But then if you don't know there's a ticking clock,
44:49
there's every chance that we are stays Phoebus and gets away a different way because
44:52
she's blackmailing the city, but she wants Taylor to kill Shepherd, to kill
44:59
Taylor inside him, you know, I think, I think, yeah,
45:01
that works both ways. But yeah, you put it on the it just
45:05
feels like we're going, Okay, here's the six parts of this episode.
45:08
If you just change five of them, this episode's great, like and we're
45:13
all going to ring on it. But as ad it's like I agree,
45:15
I would probably and I watched this in about six different parts. It was
45:17
the worst time to try and watch this episode before before coming in and do
45:22
the pod. And I probably need to sit back and get okay, forty
45:24
minutes uninterrupted, let's just go and just let it play out, because yeah,
45:29
there was such a fun element to it. It's just a few things
45:30
along the way that I think, yeah, think, yeah, they're not
45:32
trying to I don't think there was much social commentary about, you know,
45:37
the perils of war, and like, I don't think we were really supposed
45:40
to learn anything about you know, in Phoebus and Thaling, when were supposed
45:45
to go, oh, geez, maybe we shouldn't be so focused on things
45:47
and blah blah blah. I don't think there's any of that. I think
45:50
it's literally just if you go into this episode going, hey, sci fi
45:53
stuff happens, and then we're making our own mister and missus Smith, you'll
45:57
just have fun. You'll just have fun watching it. But yeah, when
46:00
you sort of sort of look closely at ego, yeah, that's that.
46:04
They could have done that better. They could have done that better. They
46:06
could have you know, spent some more time, but obviously that would be
46:08
in an episode that they would have needed the full, you know, full
46:12
time to film, as opposed to you know, three days of primor photography
46:15
and then bits and pieces here and I think also it could have I mean
46:20
maybe it was originally designed to be on the Prometheus, but the Prometheus also
46:23
has the bridge and like one corridor like it's one like uh, it's like
46:29
shaped as like a figure eight. Yeah, that's all the set they have.
46:31
Yeah, so I understand them going, well, it's probably it's probably
46:35
going to be more interesting for us to film Modern Atlantis instead, because we've
46:38
got way bigger sets, We've got more stuff, and we can, you
46:40
know, make it look much more interesting if they had, you know,
46:44
a more substantial Deadalus set than because the Prometheus and the Deadalus that's the same
46:50
set. They literally just take that thing behind the captain's chair and turn at
46:53
ninety degrees like that's that's the difference between the two bridges. Yeah, and
46:58
I think that's why they make so much more Yeah, and I think that
47:01
might be why they activities. I think that might be why they destroyed the
47:05
Prometheus. They just got sick of turning that thing nine degrees and like if
47:07
we just we just leave it there, it's damaging the floor. Guys.
47:10
Well you say that, Dedalus class. Yeah, I'm yet to feel the
47:16
size of Atlantis as a first time and I know that, you know,
47:20
the outside of it is all completely CGI. We're getting physical sets, but
47:24
the outside of it obviously is computer generated. But we do get those cool
47:29
shots at Brendan mentioned where it's like, hey, this is going on here,
47:31
you know, out of a window, out of the wall, you
47:34
know, it turns sort of forty five degrees and speeds through the city a
47:37
little bit, goes past three different towers, and then goes in through a
47:40
wall of another tower, and then you just see someone walking down a staircase
47:45
and I'm like, oh, this looks like the same staircase that's over there.
47:46
Now. Of course, the ancients designing Atlantis, they're probably going to
47:51
esthetically wise make everything look very similar. But I'm like, I don't I
47:55
don't know that. I feel that that is that far away like that to
47:59
me, And I look, I don't think they do a better job of
48:02
that going forward. Like, I don't think there's many extra set pieces you
48:07
will see in the next sort of three and a half seasons that expand it
48:12
that much more. Yeah, I'm just thinking, like you said, the
48:14
Prometheus, like that they're set for the Prometheus and the dead Lists. They
48:19
don't have a lot to work with. I feel like some of the sets
48:21
that are there for Atlantis, you know, you turn a few things upside
48:24
down, maybe booster lights a little bit, and paint a wall. You
48:28
could just go, Yep, that's the dead lists. That's just the engine
48:30
room you've never seen before. Because he's the whole that all the Blade Trinity
48:35
set. That's that's what they feel. Yeah, it's all it's all the
48:37
Blade Trinity stuff. So yeah, you're right, they could sort I feel
48:42
like they should. They really establish that, or they tried to establish that
48:45
in early or late in season one with the Eye in the Storm. Do
48:50
you remember how Shepherd had to kind of run a couple of kilometers to the
48:52
edge of the pier. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, but
48:55
I mean but I guess you could calculate that based on average fit person's running
49:01
speed. Yeah, distance, But it's I think that's the best they ever
49:06
do with it. Yeah. I think I think we say something about the
49:10
size of Manhattan, but I think that's just a fan thing or someone,
49:15
yeah, character mentioned it in passing or something like that. Yeah. Rodney's
49:17
like, oh, that'd be like finding whatever we need to find would be
49:21
like searching every room in Manhattan, right, doesn't mean that Atlantis is anywhere
49:24
or as big as Manhattans. It's not. Yeah, it's yeah, we
49:29
know that it fits inside of a certain thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
49:32
Oh shit. But yeah, in terms of expanding sets, like you
49:37
do see like there's a cool like stairwell that gets introduced in maybe season three,
49:40
and there's a couple of good like extension shots where like you you see
49:45
two people like sitting in a certain point and it's just them in front of
49:49
a set, and then it pulls out and there's like a cgi extension you
49:52
actually see them sort of sitting on part of the city instead of that.
49:55
So I think that'll give you a little bit better sense of size. But
49:59
in again, that's all just cg in terms of physical sets, they don't
50:02
really add a lot more to Atlantis than what we see, yeah, right,
50:07
in the same way, like you know, we go to the commiss
50:09
area a couple of times on Atlantis, it's just the gate room with the
50:13
gate removed and they put a fake wall in and stuff like that. So
50:15
it's all just changing around the existing set pretty much. I did have a
50:22
couple of bits and pieces though for it. I think it's we found a
50:23
new gold mine. Just in terms of whenever there's an audio commentary of a
50:29
episode featuring Colonel Coldwell, it's interesting that probably most people don't know that Mitch
50:32
is only three feet high in shart before its perspective. He sells it well
50:37
though, Mini Mitch. Yeah, it's always fun with Mitch, which is
50:42
adorable. Yeah, oh, we're keeping that one for the board. Obviously
50:49
had a polk Rnate with his wife girls polk r Nate a couple of weeks
50:52
ago, which is a great guy. Oh, I love him. Really
50:54
a good persons. He's fun to have around, huge heart, very very
50:59
funny, very sweet. I'm a good actor. Oh Jesus, guys staff
51:02
heard it was my birthday week things about me and who knew that we played
51:08
poker with your wife? Yeah? Oh Sarah, she's an absolute fiend at
51:13
Texas Holder mate j there's a joke about her holding something of yours, but
51:17
I'm not going to go there too easy, low hanging fruit or my wedding
51:23
anniversary. Also the other day, the May the fourth International Star Wars Day,
51:29
Unsurprisingly, I came to work dressed in my full Jedi garb and Lincoln
51:32
calls me in the morning a happy anniversary, and then later on the conversation
51:37
and he says, I've always heard this. I know roughly what it means,
51:40
but you know, what's what double on tondra? Like, what does
51:44
what? Like? What does it actually mean? Because I've always heard it
51:45
is figuring out in context? Blah blah blah. And I'm like, how
51:49
do I other than double meaning, how do I explain more a sexual double
51:53
mean? Yeah? And I said, right, you know before when you
51:55
called up and the first thing you said was happy anniversary, and I said,
52:00
yes, well, I'm dressed as a Jedi, so I'm definitely suited
52:01
for the occasion. And you said, wow, You're going to definitely get
52:06
your lightsaber out tonight. I'm like, that's a double entendre because obviously I
52:09
was going to get my lightsaber out because I'm just as a Jedi. And
52:13
also you were assuming I was going to get my dick out and get some
52:15
anniversary sex. So there you go. You've actually educated yourself, So there
52:20
we go. So get your anniversary sex, don't kiss and tell you got
52:27
your dick out. Whether Sarah was there or not she was involved, it
52:31
doesn't have to be sexual. It's just it's meant to be two interpretations with
52:36
the same sentence. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, if you can
52:39
make it sexual, I mean, that's that's a successful do not miss an
52:44
opportunity. I guess the end of the thing, because I get in trouble
52:47
if I don't bring up trivia. The title of the episode, The Long
52:52
Goodbye. A lot of the trivia says it's a reference to a Raymond Chandler
52:55
novel from nineteen fifty four. The only thing it has in common with that
53:00
is the name, right, Like, the plot has nothing to do with
53:02
it, and obviously the you know, they call it in this episode the
53:06
Long Goodbye because Dylan and Phoebus have been saying goodbye for a long time because
53:10
they've been at war for so long, and probably would have made more sense
53:13
if they had have been married, and it would have been the longest yeah,
53:15
between a married couple, and there is there is also an episode of
53:17
The Next Generation in like season one or two called the Long Goodbye, Right,
53:21
but I don't really Season one Season one of the Next Generation's trash,
53:25
so it's really talk about it polite circles. Yeah, that's hey, we
53:31
just got to sneak it in there. But that's okay, that's okay.
53:35
You can check out Maddie's trek talk over and getting a geek making it so.
53:38
And then I did notice it's it's yet another um connection where it's another
53:43
episode, like it's another weird episode that features a white haired old lady that's
53:47
two now. Yeah, so obviously you know Phoebus's old body wasn't Mazen all
53:52
over the place years. I was almost waiting that when they when the cuff
53:58
and the pod are opened up and it was an old lady. I was
54:01
waiting for them to go it's another weird like are we just doing this again?
54:06
And she's had another double out there, like that would have been kind
54:08
of cool as well, just like she's went back in time that many times.
54:12
There's just a bunch of her just floating together on different missions. I
54:15
did like the communic ending they played where it's like Shepherd and we are like
54:19
in their hospital beds, which apparently was a homage to Duet when you had
54:22
Mackay and Cadman after they'd sort of been sharing the body and all that kind
54:27
of stuff. But the way kind of weird, just kind of sting stand
54:30
in her bed when when Caldwell's just like, well, I've got a lot
54:32
of paper worked, right, especially involving that kiss. I just in my
54:36
head. Just then, when we're talking about the old, the old,
54:38
the old lady in the in the pod, I'm like, I feel like
54:40
we could have made Brendan's head explode if like the end of the episode was
54:45
actually just a repeat from last season and we are had Phoebus's body cremated as
54:50
well and let it go over the balcony. Like I'm like, yeah,
54:55
that might have made Brendon's head explode, she plays as she's fingering the ashes.
55:07
The ashes, so uh, lewis for episode two hundred and eighteen of
55:15
Getting to Gate back next week to talk about the Scourge Episode seventeen of six
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nine of s G one and for all the jokes that we've made about pas.
55:27
Yes, Sir, I asked chat gpt to write a joke about the
55:30
long Goodbye? Oh good All right, here we go. Why did McKay
55:35
refuse to lead leave Shepherd's side during the events of the Long Goodbye episode of
55:40
Stargate Atlantis because he knew that good friends don't say goodbye. They say Gate
55:46
you later, Dad, I mean that's a new level. Surely, well
56:00
he did, he wasn't near him anyway. The entire episode that talk about
56:04
that makes Chopper iPhone sound like a Ricky Jervaise joking comparison. Yeah, set
56:09
again for this segment, Send us your joke, any joke you have about
56:14
Stargate, and we'll probably say it on the podcast. That doesn't make me
56:17
feel a little bit more comfortable that you know, AI isn't going to take
56:21
over the human race. Like if they can't even you know, write a
56:23
good joke, then, um, I think we're safely do we program them
56:27
that into into it saying hey, you can only take over when you start
56:30
when you learn humor. Yeah, and because and because you know, humor
56:35
is, um, it's different for everybody. It's open to interpretation. Maybe
56:38
you need to feed it a transcript of like every Ricky Jervais set ever done,
56:43
and then ask it to tell you a joke. Then again, doesn't
56:45
chat you. Isn't it like I can't tell rude jokes or jokes that are
56:49
offensive to particular groups of people and stuff like that. So yeah, well
56:53
that's what you say, politically incorrect jokes it can't do yeah, right,
56:58
yeah, or you can say, right, a joke in the style of
57:00
Ricky Gervais, Right, make it a bit raunchy, but not necessarily have
57:06
rude words in it. Yeah, I'd be like, why didn't McKay stay
57:08
next to Shepherd during the whole thing because he had aids That's yeah, that's
57:15
in the style of Ricky Gervais. I think you're saying the style of Brendan
57:19
Gibson. Well, Brendan Gibson is in the style of yeah, exactly.
57:25
Well, we'll see what we can do with the Scourge if there's any jokes
57:29
to be had on that one that doesn't all have to do with Robert C.
57:32
Cooper and bugs quite literally next week, but we'll talk about that when
57:37
we talk about episode two hundred and nineteen The Scourge. Until then, yeah,
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