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Mica Miller’s Stepdad Speaks for the First Time! · The Robbie Harvey Show

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  Did you know Micah Miller had two fathers fighting to save her
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  life? Many of you know about Michael
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  Francis, the one that's been a public figure in this case since
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  the very beginning. But her stepfather, Michael
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  Honeycutt, had a critical part fighting for Micah in the final
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  months of her life. Michael Francis is Micah's
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  stepfather, and he helped raise Micah in her teenage years and
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  stayed very close with her until her final days.
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  Now, for the first time ever, he sits down for his first public
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  interview. So we're here with Michael
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  Honeycutt, Micah's stepfather. And now, much like you and I
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  were talking about before when I was first introduced to this
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  case, and I was talking with Michael Francis, Micah's
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  biological father, people kept asking me, hey, did you talk to
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  her stepdad, Michael? And I'm like, wait, that's not
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  her biological father. Like, no, it's not.
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  It's a stepdad. And then I realized, wait,
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  there's two Micahs here. I kept getting him.
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  Or Michaels, 2 Michaels here. I kept getting confused.
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  But you helped raise Micah. Tell us the beginning.
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  How did when did you get married to Micah's mom and, and how how
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  long did you raise the kids and and whatnot?
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  So yeah, so we met like 2007. It was online dating Christian
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  site and then we got married pretty quick.
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  I was actually going to move out to Kansas, but couldn't get
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  anything job or anything out there.
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  And I got something back in North Carolina.
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  I moved all the kids out to North or South Carolina, to
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  Myrtle Beach. But yeah, I was, I've been in
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  the, you know, pretty much all the kids life since 2007.
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  You know, Micah's was, yeah, about 3 or 4 years.
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  You know, at that time she was 131213.
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  Because I was Micah's volleyball dad, orchestra dad, color guard
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  dad. I mean, because of Michael,
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  because of Micah, I got got involved in with the sockets the
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  a lot of at the high school. We did team ministry there
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  through Ground Zero. We did dragon boat races
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  together. We're always Co captains for
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  that. And I got involved in coaching
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  volleyball because of her, got best friends, great friends
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  because of her. So I mean, yeah, it was that
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  we're real involved. You guys start going to solid
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  rock. John Paul's the pastor.
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  Micah's about there's discrepancy, but 1314. 1314,
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  yeah, 1314, something like that. So we went, we went as soon as
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  we came in. It was a little small church off
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  Fordsburg Rd. It was probably 50 to 100
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  people. Wasn't big at the time.
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  It's a little office park. And when we came in, I mean,
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  right away we noticed pretty much Jeremy and John Paul.
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  Obviously John Paul is a pastor, but Jeremy was his right hand
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  man. And you know, you could tell
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  Jeremy really liked her and John, John Paul seemed to, to
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  really take on to her too. But I thought it was just
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  because he was happy that, that, that Michael was there for
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  Jeremy because it seemed like a they, they seemed like a good
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  couple, you know, at the time. So I guess that's we started
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  going there. We were going there, I guess for
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  about probably 3-4 years, at least three years.
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  And it got yeah. And then we had, you know, we
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  started marriage counseling with him.
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  And then that's kind of when some things started coming out.
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  And then we ended up he was kind of encouraging us pretty much to
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  separate. You start having marriage
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  counseling and John Paul does he what happens then?
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  He he's encouraging you to to to separate from your wife.
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  Yeah, he's basically saying that that, that, that he he was not
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  hopeful that we can reconcile. He was putting all the blame on,
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  on, on their mom pretty much is what he was doing.
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  She's never going to change, blah, blah, blah.
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  And and so we ended up separating.
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  I thought they were going to actually go back to Oklahoma or
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  Kansas where they're from. They're they're right on the
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  Kansas, Oklahoma border. She's, you know, the kids were a
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  guy. I'm in Oklahoma, so I'm in
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  Kansas, Wichita, but I, I, she told me they were going to go
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  back there. I was taken off the list to
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  help, you know, I wasn't on the school list for the kids
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  anymore. And, and I had contacts deal
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  with the guy as counselors. They all knew that I was the one
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  taking care of the kids and all the meetings and, and everything
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  to do with school. So they were, you know, Michael
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  was still communicating through them a little bit to me.
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  And of course, right when all this went down, JP announced to
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  the whole church what happened. So he exposed everything about
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  what was going on in our relationship and what just
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  happened with their mom moving with the girls they would with
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  with the other guy. So I'm like, I got caught up in
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  this poor, pitiful me. All the church was there
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  supporting me, all how could this evil woman do this and that
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  kind of thing? And, you know, I, I got caught
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  up in that for a couple of months.
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  Her dad actually brought her back to sign her back into
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  sockets the, the high school and gave me guardianship, signed up,
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  you know, guardianship to me so that I could do anything she
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  needed to so she could finish out her junior year.
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  And then, of course, you know, she was back to, you know, kind
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  of seeing Jeremy all the time and getting involved with the
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  church. She was still involved there and
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  of course I was too, because again, I was caught up in the
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  poor pit for me. And then and and I was coming
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  back from Florence, which is about an hour and a half away.
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  And I was driving, of course, listening to praise and worship.
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  And then something just it's like God got a hold of me and
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  said, put your family back together.
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  And, and I could have walked, you know, again, I could have
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  walked away with an easy divorce right then.
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  But you know, I listen to God. The first person I call was JP.
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  And this guy gets angry at me, yells at me on the phone that
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  I'm, that I'm wanting to put the family back together and
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  listening to God. I mean, he's, he's telling me
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  the kids are better off because DSS was involved and all at the
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  time. And so he's telling me the kids
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  in Sierra Anna, Abby are, are better off in foster care.
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  He was trying to, he was still trying to convince me to walk
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  away and leave the kids, which now I understand with all his
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  connections, you know #1 if you understand human traffickers,
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  you understand they want to get rid of the dad.
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  They target kids that don't have their dads around #2 with his
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  connections, he probably could have controlled if they were in
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  foster care. I think I kind of saved their
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  lives too. I mean, he could have controlled
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  and manipulated and got a hold of them too, just like you did
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  Micah, and groomed them. Is is, I'm convinced of that.
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  I mean, that it's my opinion, but just from everything I've
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  seen, because there's been there's been times he said stuff
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  to the girls that was inappropriate, you know, rub
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  their hair, told them they're beautiful.
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  You know, I mean, that's just, that's not behavior from a
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  pastor. So you believe he he was
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  grooming Micah and he was actively trying to separate her
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  from you, her mother and and and her sisters and brother also?
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  That's exactly what happened as soon as as soon as I told Micah
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  that we're because Micah was, you know, back living.
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  You know, we we had brought her back and she was in the in back
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  in school. You know, she was living with
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  me. Soon as I said that she said,
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  I'm I'm not going to live under the same roof as mom and John
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  Paul right away had her a place to live in another school
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  district. So she ended up going and living
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  with another couple down at Murrells unlit.
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  You know, about a 45 minutes away, 3045 minutes away in
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  another school district and then just kind of isolated her away
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  for a whole senior year away from her siblings, her family.
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  And, you know, at that time we, you know, we went through, yeah,
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  obviously we, I started, we started going to another church.
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  So it was meeting with another pastor.
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  I ended up meeting with a doing marriage counseling to the
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  pastor, family counseling and marriage counseling with another
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  actual marriage counselor. And and we were trying to put
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  the family actively trying to put the family back together.
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  And and that's why I kind of wrote that, you know what, what
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  I showed you that letter the because since he announced it to
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  the whole church, but that yet he wouldn't let us restore us
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  and let us come back as a family.
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  I felt like these people needed to know, you know, not in a
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  vengeful way, but but you know, what transpired and, and kind of
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  a praise report. They're putting a family back
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  together. But you know, and also that Mike
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  has been isolated with us and, and being taught not not to have
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  anything to do with her family. What?
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  What? What?
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  So your pastor, let me get this straight, allegedly did not want
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  you to fix your family and then would not allow you to come back
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  to church as a family. What was his reasoning?
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  He he was just saying he, he didn't want to send the well.
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  He said that I could come and the kids could come, but the mom
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  couldn't come. Their mom couldn't come.
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  So then then they were because of what she did.
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  But yet then we finally told him I'm like.
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  Then he finally kept doing stipulations like, well, she can
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  come, but she has to get up in front of the whole church and,
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  and, and renounce this or that. And I said, well, I'm not going
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  to let her stand up there by herself.
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  So we'll all stand up as a family.
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  And he refused to do that. And, and finally it got to the
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  point of he just, he sent me an e-mail that just, you know, we
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  well, before I say that, that other pastor we were counseled
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  with called him and told him and even told him because he, he,
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  he'd known, he knew of John Paul and knew of his dad, but he
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  called him and said, look, you need to restore this family to
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  church. And JP laughed at him on the
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  phone. Just was just, and just had an
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  arrogant attitude towards him. And it was, it was crazy, but.
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  So who? I mean, he wanted y'all to stand
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  on stage and expose y'all's sins or whatever we know to the whole
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  church. Well, he'd already exposed
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  everything. He just wanted to.
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  Yeah, their mom to, to, to. Do it again.
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  Yeah, and confess it and let them forgive us or whatever.
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  So we have to remember during this time, Micah has become the
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  worship pastor at, at what solid rock at one point, O at the old
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  building and, and she's only 16 years old.
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  But you are still, even though you know the family is
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  separated, are you still involved?
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  I know you're not involved at the church, but are you still
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  involved with with Micah and part of her life?
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  Yeah, I was still involved. We we'd go to dinner a lot.
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  We would be beat with the other girls a lot.
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  So she started becoming more involved.
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  You know, there were certain people she was allowed not to
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  be, you know, allowed to be around certain times and some
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  not. And I'm one of the ones because
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  I've exposed everything with the first, you know, the first go
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  around there at the church that I wouldn't let, you know, she
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  wasn't allowed to be around me much for a while.
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  And. Her, per John.
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  Paul, Pardon. Yeah, yeah.
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  Pardon, John. So John Paul, you're telling me
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  John Paul would not allow Micah for a, a, a portion of time to
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  be around you, her stepfather? Correct, Correct.
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  And some. Yeah, well, I mean, she
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  wouldn't. He wouldn't have let her around
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  his siblings for a while too. And because and because she's
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  under 18 when y'all called the cops, the cops wouldn't do
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  anything about it. Correct, correct.
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  This is just unbelievable to me. Yeah, they said in South
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  Carolina, they just, if they're 17, they don't do anything
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  because by the time it goes to court, they're 18.
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  It's wasting their resources. Micah's stepfather says JP
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  successfully separated Micah from the family.
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  Then in 2015, JP and Micah are caught in an affair and they
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  both separate and divorce their spouses.
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  Then in 2017, JP and Micah get married and that's when the
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  family began to notice Michael was all of a sudden being
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  medicated. So, so at 18 years old, Micah
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  gets married to Jeremy. You're still not much involved.
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  You go to the wedding, but then the affair happens between JP
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  and Micah and, and, and all of a sudden you're you're back
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  involved. Tell us about that time in your
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  lives. Yeah, I was kind of noticing
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  when I was going back to all the pictures that a lot of them are
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  2016 time frame 18, you know, and or 2016 seventeen.
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  And that's when all that happened.
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  You know, Mike can just start hanging out with us a lot more.
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  And I think Mike and Anna lived together for a little bit.
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  And so she was real, you know, real involved with the family
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  again. And so, yeah, I mean, we'd
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  always, we were doing different things.
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  We were, you know, doing volleyball again a little bit.
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  I was running tournaments at the time.
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  So she would come up and and help me with tournaments.
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  So what happened then? What What she gets married and
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  and does JP? What happens then?
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  Yeah. And at that point, and I wasn't
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  really sure I was going to go to the, the wedding.
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  That was, I had a hard time with that.
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  I think I, I didn't decide. I told her I wasn't sure if I
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  could get there, but it was like at the last minute, I ended up
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  deciding to go. And that's when I noticed
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  everybody in the church was completely different.
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  He lost the whole church. The only one I recognized was
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  Trish, that, that was the only one that's been left there just
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  the beginning of the, from the first original church.
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  As far as I know, there might be a couple others, but that,
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  that's when I really noticed. I was like, Oh my gosh, it's,
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  it's completely new church. You know, we went to the, the
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  wedding and then from then on it was every once in a while, you
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  know, the family events, the, the holidays and JP would come
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  with Micah to, to the family things and he would, he would
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  hang out a little bit and then leave.
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  They would come almost, I guess they'd come, I don't know if
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  they'd come to separate cars or he'd come back and get her.
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  I think they, most of the time they came to separate cars.
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  It's just he was and it was just acceptable meaning or not really
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  acceptable, but it was just known that that's was just
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  behavior. He was not going to stay around.
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  He didn't stay around the family very long.
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  Was there any mental illness before their marriage in 2017?
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  No, zero there was. I never saw any mental illness.
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  The only thing I ever noticed is is when she got married to JPI.
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  Could always tell. I could always tell when she was
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  medicated because she would look like a zombie.
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  If we'd meet for lunch or something or brunch and I'd call
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  one of the girls back again and say like, because like a zombie,
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  she's not herself. She's just, I could tell she
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  went herself and then I could tell when she wasn't.
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  It was her normal self. I could carry on a normal
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  conversation with her. Did they explain?
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  Did they explain why she was on medication?
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  No, no, she didn't. She, I mean she you just said it
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  was the medicine. I don't know if she ever
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  explained exactly what the medicine was.
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  From the moment they get married, something physically
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  changes about Micah as far as her mannerisms and and think you
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  can. You can tell from the moment
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  they get married, 2017 that she's sometimes drugged and
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  she's sometimes not. Yeah.
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  And they kept saying it, it had to do back with the the breast
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  augmentation and and so and see, I didn't know, I didn't know
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  about that until way later. So that's probably why I didn't
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  know about the medicines. They just said it was some kind
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  of complication from a procedure.
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  Then in 2022, the hospitalizations began and then
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  in 2023, things begin to get dangerous for Micah because
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  multiple times she discusses leaving John Paul Miller.
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  And right before a missions trip in October of 2023 going to
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  Africa, Micah finally decides that it's time.
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  It's time for her and John Paul to separate for good.
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  And as a result, her family believed that she would not have
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  returned from that mission trip alive.
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  So in 2022, she's hospitalized about the whole the whole thing
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  where she's found collapsed in a bathroom.
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  Her sister shows up and what not.
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  Then John Paul all of a sudden shows up.
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  Micah didn't want you to know about that stuff, but but what
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  did you know what what was explained to you about that 2022
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  hospitalization? Well, I knew about the episode.
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  I didn't know about the episode that happened because the kids
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  were calling me, you know, kind of asking what what we need to
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  do a little bit. Also knew one of the officers
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  that that was there and, and of course, you know, they, they had
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  to let her go because Micah told him that, that she wanted to go
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  with JP at the time. And then I guess that's when,
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  right after that's when she ended up in, in what is the
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  South, the South South. Strand, yeah.
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  South Strand, Yeah, South Strand.
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  But other than that, I didn't know.
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  I didn't know much about it and. Was there any discussion of
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  Micah wanting to take her own life at all?
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  2022 before. I've never heard of anything
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  having to do with that until it came out in J PS interview.
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  I I've never heard anything about her wanting to commit.
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  She never said anything to me. The kids never said anything to
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  me about it. So according to what she's
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  trying to do in the past and according to her doctors who've
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  taken care of her for years, and according to me who's seen it
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  over and over again, I imagine that she was in an incredibly
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  euphoric attitude. I saw her pictures on the Dick's
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  Pawn Shop. Someone sent me screenshots of
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  the Dick's Pawn Shop pictures where she's smiling, which out
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  of the six or seven times that she tried to pass, only one of
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  those times was she depressed. The other times she was very
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  euphoric. Let's jump ahead.
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  When do you start talking to Micah again in 2024?
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  Well, when she came out of the hospital, so the Africa trip,
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  right after the Africa trip, and then she goes in the hospital,
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  so she calls me. She called me from the airport
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  on a layover on the way to the Africa trip.
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  We had conversation. She called just to talk.
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  And then she called me when she came back too.
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  But when she called me then when she was on that layover Africa
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  trip, actually, I didn't think she'd come back alive, honestly,
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  with everything going on. And I know one of the kids said
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  the same thing. They they we didn't think she
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  was coming back alive. So in the Africa trip on October
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  of 2023. Yeah.
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  She had decided that she's going to leave John Paul Miller.
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  She had told multiple friends that and, and I assume she told
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  her sisters that and, and, and you had paid for an attorney to
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  help and all that stuff and that you and, and one of her sisters.
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  I truly believe that she's not going to come back alive.
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  Yeah, we did. None of us thought she should
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  go. You know, I mean, obviously
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  with, with everything going on and the people involved and, and
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  you know, the other thing is that, you know, cuz Randall was
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  orchestrating it and ran. We when all that stuff went down
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  with our family the first time we tried to find out who JP's
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  accountability person was. That happened to be Randall's
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  back then too. And he we could never get in
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  contact. We couldn't talk to him or
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  nothing. Never.
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  He never came in and did anything.
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  So but he was supposed to be accountable to him.
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  JP was supposed to be accountable to him.
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  So JP had no accountability to anybody back then either.
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  But just knowing, you know, you know, anytime something
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  happened, you know, this guy's involved and, and with the
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  Africa trip and, and, and JP involved, it just, you know, I,
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  I, I've heard you use the term master manipulator, master
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  narcissist. I've been using those terms for
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  years. I mean, everything JP does is
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  calculated. He thinks, he tries to stay
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  ahead of the game. He's always thinking, trying to
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  think out scenarios, think ahead and try to manipulate the
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  situation. He's always been doing that as
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  far as I've known him. And then and so knowing that he
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  was trying to orchestrate her going to Africa missions trip,
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  that Africa trip, that's why we just did something not good on
• 21:44
  this. We didn't believe it after.
• 21:46
  Micah returns from Africa. She's immediately in the
• 21:51
  hospital again. Now don't confuse this
• 21:55
  hospitalization with the February 2024 hospitalization.
• 22:00
  Yes, in between October and February, at some point, Micah
• 22:05
  goes to the hospital. Now the difference is in this
• 22:09
  one, she willingly goes. She doesn't go against her will.
• 22:12
  She's not forced to go against her will like she claims in the
• 22:16
  February 2024 hospitalization. And Michael Honeycutt says that
• 22:21
  when she's out of the hospital in that time, he has lunch with
• 22:26
  Micah and JP. Take a listen.
• 22:30
  Yeah, so we had lunch and again, JP was he was there a little
• 22:36
  bit. He ate and he took off.
• 22:37
  He said I don't want to go run some errands, I'll come back.
• 22:39
  So then just me and Mike are talking and, and at the end, you
• 22:46
  know, when he comes back and, and we all leave, we're walking
• 22:49
  out and, and, and I do this with all the kids and my wife, you
• 22:53
  know, I just, you know, I hug him and say, plead the blood of
• 22:55
  Jesus over you had your protection, peace, joy, wisdom.
• 22:59
  And I did that to Micah. And then I walked around the car
• 23:02
  and I shook JP's hand and put my hand up on his shoulder.
• 23:06
  And I said the same thing. But what came out of my mouth
• 23:09
  was at the end was and deliverance.
• 23:13
  And because I started understanding some of the
• 23:15
  deliverance ministries and stuff and not that I, I knew you know
• 23:18
  much, but it just came out of my mouth.
• 23:20
  And when it did, something rose up in his shoulder and I felt
• 23:23
  something in him like like like demonic or something.
• 23:27
  And I was like, OK. And so we left and about 10
• 23:31
  minutes later I'm driving up the road and I lost feeling in this
• 23:33
  whole arm. And all of a sudden Micah and
• 23:36
  John Paul are called. Micah's calling me and she goes,
• 23:39
  they're upset at me because they said, are you saying John Paul
• 23:43
  is possessed by a demon? I said, I don't know.
• 23:45
  I just know what I felt in, in my arm.
• 23:48
  And you know, I, I can't explain it.
• 23:51
  And I said but, and, and then, and The funny thing is, and, and
• 23:55
  somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.
• 23:57
  I've never heard any, which I didn't listen to a lot of his
• 24:00
  sermons after that, but I've never heard him talk about being
• 24:02
  demon possessed until at that point.
• 24:05
  And then after that, that's when Micah called me a couple of
• 24:08
  times and told me that, well, we're seeking counsel with,
• 24:12
  we're seeking counsel with this other pastor over there at one
• 24:16
  of those churches and he's and John Paul's getting delivered.
• 24:20
  JP is getting delivered. And I'm like, yeah, I don't
• 24:23
  know, but OK. But that's when they really
• 24:26
  start talking about, that's when I heard somebody of the Earth.
• 24:31
  That's when I heard he started talking about being demon
• 24:33
  possessed after Mr. Honeycutt told me that story.
• 24:36
  I reached out to multiple witnesses and they confirmed
• 24:40
  what he says. Matter of fact, one witness, as
• 24:43
  we were just talking, told me at random before I could ask my
• 24:46
  question. Hey Robbie, did you know that
• 24:49
  when they returned from Africa, Micah told me that John Paul was
• 24:54
  going to deliverance therapy or counseling, whatever they called
• 24:58
  it? And with this information, it
• 25:00
  makes this clip make even more sense.
• 25:04
  And so I want. To I'm telling you this so that
• 25:06
  you can be encouraged that God can use you.
• 25:08
  So for the past four weeks I've had the most horrible battle and
• 25:11
  horrible time of my entire life. I've never ever ever ever not
• 25:14
  even close been. Through what I'm going through.
• 25:17
  Right now in life, not even close.
• 25:19
  Horrible. I mean horrible.
• 25:21
  So bad I'm seeing a psychiatrist every week.
• 25:23
  I'm on 900 milligrams of lithium.
• 25:25
  I'm seeing a counselor every week.
• 25:26
  I'm going to inner healing. I'm going to deliverance 3 * a
• 25:29
  week with pastors in the area. I'm doing everything I can just
• 25:31
  to be able to get out of bed. I'm so depressed.
• 25:34
  I want to die. I'm battling.
• 25:36
  Thoughts. I have unforgiveness, hatred.
• 25:37
  Demons coming out of me. Horrible.
• 25:40
  But Micah quickly realizes that her marriage is not going to
• 25:43
  last, and in early 2024, she decides that it's time to leave
• 25:49
  John Paul Miller once and for all.
• 25:52
  She had called. Me about trying to get some
• 25:54
  resources to help and like attorneys or whatever.
• 26:00
  And, and, you know, we, we kind of had some discussions.
• 26:03
  I didn't know of any more that that we could call because we'd
• 26:06
  exhausted some of the other resources the other time.
• 26:11
  So I wasn't sure. So I ended up I said call, you
• 26:16
  know, Pastor Dan, my, my pastor down there that that's helped.
• 26:19
  He knows the whole, everything is going to happen and she
• 26:23
  called, I said he may know some resources and she called him and
• 26:26
  I guess they had a long conversation.
• 26:30
  Matter of fact, she ended up going to church there one
• 26:33
  Wednesday evening and called me on the way back.
• 26:35
  And thank you so much. I got the, I've still got the
• 26:37
  voicemail because I, I apparently missed the call at
• 26:40
  the first, but but said thank you so much and they had a long
• 26:45
  conversation. And I think that's when she kind
• 26:48
  of went back and rededicated her life.
• 26:50
  And if you look at, you know, the video where it talks about
• 26:54
  she, she's being told or she finally realizes that she,
• 26:59
  she's, she's the bride of Christ first and foremost.
• 27:03
  So that actually came from that conversation with the pastor and
• 27:05
  his wife, God. Hates divorce, But why?
• 27:09
  According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that
• 27:12
  I've found, it's because it hurts people.
• 27:16
  But does abuse hurt people? How do you think God feels about
• 27:20
  that? So I want to remind you, like a
• 27:26
  bunch of people have been reminding me lately, that I'm
• 27:30
  God's pride first. Yeah, I mean, the kids again are
• 27:34
  calling me, you know, and I'm like, you've got, you know, I
• 27:38
  have no authority there at all, you know, but your dad has, you
• 27:43
  know, get your dad, you know, back involved and like he's a
• 27:46
  biological father and. And that's what, you know,
• 27:50
  that's the only, you know, as far as the, the documentary, I
• 27:53
  mean it, it touched on, on some things.
• 27:55
  And it's a fraction, it's a fraction of what actually
• 27:58
  happened. But there was 2 dads fighting
• 28:00
  for her, you know, their, their real dad was their biological
• 28:04
  dad was, was there, you know, help get her out her, her and
• 28:09
  her, him. And I think one of the girls and
• 28:13
  you know, and, and we, you know, I've been there too.
• 28:15
  And it's just, I, I was never involved with any of any of the
• 28:18
  new people at the church. Just I stayed away from the
• 28:21
  church. And Mike and I, when we had
• 28:23
  conversations, she knew how I felt about that church and about
• 28:26
  JP. So there was and, and I know
• 28:29
  myself, I had no idea about the human trafficking stuff going on
• 28:33
  until two months before she died and she called me and started
• 28:36
  telling me all this stuff you're talking about the.
• 28:38
  Homeless, the homeless people and things of that nature.
• 28:40
  Yeah, I. I had no idea, well, that any of
• 28:45
  this stuff was going on. So I'm just thinking we all knew
• 28:50
  affair. I don't know when the kids knew.
• 28:52
  I don't know when her when her dad knew.
• 28:54
  I'm just saying for me, I didn't know all this stuff.
• 28:56
  So that's why I, you know, I just guys having all these
• 29:00
  affairs. He had all these affairs with
• 29:01
  his first wife. He's still having affairs.
• 29:04
  He, he, he, he's just using the church and the pulpit for money
• 29:08
  and, and, and, and to control people.
• 29:12
  You know, that those were given. So we didn't know about the, I
• 29:15
  didn't know about any of the horrific stuff until later,
• 29:18
  until two months before she died when she started telling me some
• 29:21
  of the stuff that's going on. And, and, and at that point she
• 29:24
  still, it wasn't that she wanted sympathy.
• 29:28
  She was like, how do I save the church and those people?
• 29:30
  She loved those people, was there at.
• 29:33
  Any point you believed Micah's life was in danger in those
• 29:36
  final couple months of her life? Yeah, I mean, we all agree that
• 29:40
  the last dinner we had, which is about a month before she died,
• 29:44
  she told her she was. She was, you know, she told me
• 29:47
  directly. She's just, you know, scared for
• 29:49
  her life, you know, and, and. She.
• 29:53
  But she wanted. In your opinion, did she want to
• 29:57
  live? Yeah.
• 29:59
  Yeah, she wanted to live. She, yeah, she definitely wanted
• 30:04
  to live. There was no talk of anything
• 30:06
  about taking her own life, ever. I never heard anything about it.
• 30:10
  So matter of fact, you know, she said.
• 30:12
  You know something happens, you know?
• 30:16
  It's not me, you know? Just days after John Paul Miller
• 30:22
  was served divorce papers, Mike Miller is dead.
• 30:26
  It's officially ruled that she took her own life, Lumber River
• 30:30
  State Park in Lumberton, NC. So let's jump to April 26th.
• 30:39
  April 27th. Where were you?
• 30:44
  How did you find out what had happened and and what were your
• 30:47
  first initial thoughts? Well, I was at home in North
• 30:52
  Carolina that I'd moved up back up to North Carolina back in
• 30:56
  about 20/20/2019. But I found out, I mean, Sierra
• 31:03
  and I'll start blowing up my phone right at midnight or, or,
• 31:07
  you know, right when they found out.
• 31:08
  I guess that's how I found out. And I was kind of in shock.
• 31:13
  I just, I had no idea. I was, I mean, it was, it was
• 31:19
  almost like a you hear it, but it doesn't register what just
• 31:26
  happened kind of thing. And and they're still trying to
• 31:30
  find out what happened, you know, But yeah, it was yeah.
• 31:38
  I mean, that was like so late Saturday night.
• 31:40
  So next morning we're I'm driving down to Myrtle and get
• 31:43
  with the kids and find out what's going on.
• 31:47
  Did y'all? Did y'all believe she took her
• 31:50
  own life? None of us.
• 31:52
  Did I mean well, I mean, yeah, no, none of us believed it.
• 31:57
  We still I don't believe it for a minute.
• 32:00
  You still don't believe Micah took her own life?
• 32:03
  No, not. At all.
• 32:05
  The 911 call, this is your first public statement on the 911
• 32:10
  call. Do you believe that is Micah in
• 32:12
  the 911 call? I believe that's her voice.
• 32:20
  I didn't at first. I didn't believe that was her.
• 32:22
  And then we finally heard it. I don't.
• 32:26
  I mean, that's her voice. But again, JP was known to mess
• 32:30
  around with AIA lot because he was, you know, they were calls
• 32:35
  and texts being made to the kids and stuff, forging numbers
• 32:41
  coming from different numbers. Wait, hold on, let me.
• 32:44
  Stop you there before Micah died, Yeah.
• 32:48
  Yeah, yeah, Micah told me about some kind of app he was using in
• 32:52
  forging numbers. Wait a minute.
• 32:54
  So let's. I don't think you've told me
• 32:58
  this. So we're, forgive my surprise
• 33:01
  here. Maybe we've talked about it.
• 33:04
  You're telling me Micah spoke to you about John Paul Miller using
• 33:09
  an app to send forged numbers and and messages, and you're
• 33:14
  saying it happened to your family?
• 33:16
  Yeah. She.
• 33:17
  Told me that they had the app and doing stuff like that so.
• 33:22
  So you're telling me that Micah spoke with you about John Paul
• 33:25
  Miller using an app to create to forge number or something like
• 33:31
  that? Yeah, it.
• 33:32
  Was yeah, send messages from a, from a number that that that's a
• 33:36
  fake number you can't respond to, but it looks like it's
• 33:39
  coming from somewhere else. She was a little fearful of what
• 33:42
  he was doing with the AII. Don't know if she was like, I
• 33:47
  don't know if she was just like, oh, he's going to use it against
• 33:49
  me to do something. I don't, I don't think she
• 33:53
  didn't express that to me. And sometimes she would tell me
• 33:57
  things, you know, she would talk a lot, like when, when, when,
• 34:02
  when I could talk to her, she would want to talk a lot.
• 34:05
  So it'd be in the middle of saying all these things.
• 34:08
  And then I'd be like, wait, what did I just hear?
• 34:11
  So I didn't get details, but it was kind of like brushed over,
• 34:15
  you know, he's doing this and then he's, you know, this and
• 34:18
  this and you know, it doesn't quite.
• 34:21
  Register at the time, yeah, because at the time it sounds
• 34:27
  childish, but. Where we're.
• 34:29
  At today, it's not very childish, no.
• 34:33
  And that call we got, I got that call I got two months prior, and
• 34:37
  you start talking about the other stuff and I'm just like,
• 34:40
  wait, did I just hear this correctly?
• 34:43
  It's like I can't comprehend almost what she just said.
• 34:47
  Or it's just like, whoa. So then it's a whole new realm
• 34:53
  of what she's been having to deal with all these years.
• 34:57
  Now let's move to the investigation itself.
• 34:59
  The family has always been critical of Robeson County
• 35:03
  Sheriff's Department. They believe that they moved too
• 35:06
  quickly and this was an open and shut case in their eyes.
• 35:10
  Take a listen. So Robeson County Sheriff's
• 35:14
  Department meets with you guys and gives you, I think you've
• 35:21
  kind of suggested a ridiculous PowerPoint presentation.
• 35:27
  What were you guys told in that meeting with Robeson County
• 35:30
  Sheriff's Department and did they ever interview you well?
• 35:35
  The investigators came down so before, before they, we need to
• 35:40
  PowerPoint thing at the Sheriff's Department, they
• 35:42
  actually came down and wanted to meet, you know, the family and
• 35:46
  the kids. And we, we ended up meeting at,
• 35:49
  at, at the church where our pastor is down there in
• 35:53
  Surfside. And, and, and this pastor
• 35:57
  actually helped, helped Nikki Haley write the domestic
• 36:01
  violence laws in 2015 and 16. So he understood completely the
• 36:06
  the, the legal system on the and the, and the laws having to do
• 36:10
  with domestic violence. The two investigators came down.
• 36:14
  This is I guess about a week after it happened, met with us
• 36:18
  down there or I don't know if it's a week, maybe a few days,
• 36:22
  probably about a week because I guess they investigated it for a
• 36:24
  while supposedly. So they met with we were all
• 36:31
  there. They met with Sierra and they
• 36:34
  and then came back in and we're well, if we need to ask anything
• 36:38
  else, we'll get with you. And they had already made-up
• 36:42
  their mind at that point. Even every every one of us
• 36:45
  pretty much knew that they had made-up their mind that it was
• 36:49
  they weren't they weren't entertaining anything else.
• 36:51
  They didn't want to hear anything else about all the
• 36:54
  other stuff that's happened leading up to that.
• 36:57
  They didn't want to hear about it.
• 36:59
  It's crazy. I even that pastor said they've
• 37:03
  already made-up their mind. He, he commented like there's a
• 37:07
  law you can arrest him under and pointed out the law, which is
• 37:11
  the one that that he's being charged with right now.
• 37:14
  And they were like, no, we can't do that.
• 37:16
  So it's just like they, they just, And then again, when we,
• 37:20
  we met at the Sheriff's Department, it was just a
• 37:22
  PowerPoint, a little fancy PowerPoint wasn't real.
• 37:27
  I mean, kind of fan and weren't really fancy.
• 37:28
  But anyway, PowerPoint presentation, just you know,
• 37:31
  here's the, you know, the map, here's what this here's how it
• 37:35
  happened, here's this and you know, it's their their opinion
• 37:40
  on it. It's you know, we there wasn't
• 37:44
  they didn't talk to everybody need to be talked to.
• 37:47
  So that obviously the investigation was incomplete
• 37:50
  with those guys. What did they?
• 37:51
  Say about the bullet casings, they said.
• 37:56
  There was 2 bullet casings found the main or the main thing I
• 38:00
  remember about that meeting, you know, we asked about.
• 38:05
  So we, we got to see it was a fight to try to see her body
• 38:09
  before she, you know, he was rushing her to get her cremated.
• 38:14
  So we finally got to see her body and I saw bruises, the
• 38:19
  bruise right here on her left hand.
• 38:22
  And the kids saw some bruises on the other side.
• 38:27
  And we asked the medical examiner.
• 38:32
  There was a chief medical examiner and AI guess another
• 38:37
  lady. But apparently when all that
• 38:39
  happened with Micah, the chief was there too, that there was
• 38:41
  two of them. But neither one of them had an
• 38:43
  explanation of how bruises got on her.
• 38:46
  They didn't even know. They acted stomped, like what
• 38:50
  are you talking about? Yeah, now they they they were
• 38:52
  trying to say, I think with the bullet casings.
• 38:54
  Was she tested around and then and and then did it with the
• 39:01
  other one? But yet the.
• 39:03
  But yet the the man who who the man who found her stuff only
• 39:09
  heard one gunshot, There was somebody else.
• 39:14
  There was somebody else that heard two gunshots.
• 39:15
  I know I. Know that's what's that's what's
• 39:18
  frustrating, that's what's frustrating about this.
• 39:20
  There's another witness as you and I know, we'll keep that, you
• 39:23
  know, down low but and and we won't talk about that witness,
• 39:28
  but there's another witness that heard two gunshots.
• 39:31
  Yeah. And then nobody could explain
• 39:33
  how her body got 50 yards away in Stillwater, right?
• 39:39
  And. Under under a log under a log
• 39:43
  it. Was under a log they.
• 39:45
  Yeah, they said a log was almost on top of her that that's,
• 39:50
  that's why the first kayaker couldn't or the the the one of
• 39:54
  the guys couldn't find her or something.
• 39:55
  I'm like, yeah, OK, you know, I'm not.
• 39:59
  Laughing, you know, I'm not laughing because it's not it it
• 40:02
  I'm only laughing because it's just absolutely asinine.
• 40:08
  This is how how it was treated. You got 2 witnesses with
• 40:13
  conflicting statements and one of those witnesses who is now
• 40:17
  dead had Micah's thinks. I think what we'll do is pause
• 40:22
  it there because from here on out, as we know, it's a federal
• 40:26
  investigation. And, and and you have met with
• 40:30
  the FBI, correct? Yes, and so.
• 40:34
  To keep the integrity of the investigation, we certainly
• 40:38
  won't reveal anything more. Is there anything else that you
• 40:41
  want to share that the you think the world should know you know
• 40:45
  there? Again, Micah is the hero here.
• 40:48
  She started, kicked off this exposure, but there's a lot more
• 40:53
  victims out there. There's a lot more there.
• 40:56
  There's a lot more people that they need to be accountable to
• 40:59
  this. I mean, I'm hoping for a
• 41:00
  roundup, honestly, of some other people because there was so much
• 41:04
  cover up in this in the I've never seen anything like it.
• 41:13
  And it's stuff, it's stuff you can't make up.
• 41:15
  I mean, there, there were times I was looking around for the
• 41:16
  Jerry Springer camera sometimes, but it's, but, you know, in an,
• 41:23
  you know, so, you know, I, I hope we get exposure, you know,
• 41:27
  the full exposure from the other victims and then they get
• 41:31
  justice too. There's a lot of families
• 41:34
  involved, a lot of families lives, you know, got destroyed
• 41:37
  or he tried to destroy. There's a lot of people left in
• 41:42
  this wake. You know, it's, it's, it's,
• 41:49
  it's, it's this thing's deep. This thing's really deep.
• 41:54
  And and we really still don't even know how deep it is,
• 41:57
  honestly. John Paul Miller has denied all
• 42:02
  the accusations. He's charged with cyber stalking
• 42:05
  and lying to federal authorities at the time of this filming.
• 42:10
  He's pleaded not guilty.