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How could the Tigers replace Javier Báez, Casey Mize? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory now Troy Tiger's podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm Karen Seckley with.
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Speaker 1: Me as always as a man who knows whether the
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Speaker 1: ball is fair or foul? Or does he He's Cody Stavininggen.
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Speaker 2: How you doing?
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Speaker 3: Do any of us really know the rules of this sport? Like?
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Speaker 3: Like it like That's one of the things I love
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Speaker 3: about baseball. We are all learning new things all the time.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of new things. If you're a longtime listener, uh,
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and we appreciate everyone who has done so already.
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Speaker 1: And uh no, no, no point, Cody and kind of
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Speaker 1: you know, doing some long siloqueed about what we witnessed.
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Speaker 1: You know, the Tigers drop a five to two matchup
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Speaker 1: to the Braves on on Tuesday night. But that's not
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Speaker 1: the big news. The big news is just too unfortunate.
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Speaker 1: We don't know the severity of but you know, not
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Speaker 1: great looking injury situations, one with Casey Mize and then
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Speaker 1: the other one with Hobby Bayas I guess we'll just
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Speaker 1: kind of go in chronological order here. The Mees injury
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Speaker 1: happened first, and in case you guys missed it, uh
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Speaker 1: Miz kind.
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Speaker 2: Of pulled up a little laying a little hobby.
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Speaker 1: After fielding a ball and flipping it to Spencer Torkolsen
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Speaker 1: for an out at first base, and uh and he
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Speaker 1: exited the game.
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Speaker 2: Did not have a test pitch.
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Speaker 4: A J.
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Speaker 1: Hinch said afterward that the you know, Mice wanted to
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Speaker 1: do so, but they he said, I'm paraphrasing here in April,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to test that. Uh So, so they
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Speaker 1: immediately took him out and he was officially, uh taken
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Speaker 1: from the game with right growing tightness, I believe was
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Speaker 1: the official verbiage from from the team. And and then
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Speaker 1: uh so, then brand Herder had to come in and
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Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk about some of the other stuff later,
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Speaker 1: but it initially Casey Mice. You gotta feel for this guy, man,
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Speaker 1: like I obviously we hope this is not severe. But
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Speaker 1: just like he had been on he had been on
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Speaker 1: a great run. We were talking about is he really
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Speaker 1: their number three? And you know, like oh like kind
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Speaker 1: of visualizing like what could be for him the rest
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Speaker 1: of the season, you know, like the slider, the split
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Speaker 1: was working, like all these things, and then to have
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Speaker 1: something that is I would say, pretty random, but could
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Speaker 1: happen on any play type deal happened to Casey Mies.
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Speaker 1: Really unfortunate, Hobe, He's okay, But what's your immediate reaction
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Speaker 1: to uh, to that aspect of a Cody.
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Speaker 3: All right, First, I'm gonna make a joke. I know
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Speaker 3: there's not joking matter, but I'm gonna do it. We
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Speaker 3: talked about pictures and how they struggle to field, like
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Speaker 3: they just panic, right, Casey ma is actually really good fielding. Picture.
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Speaker 3: It's like pictures when they get off the mountain, they
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Speaker 3: either throw it away or they get injured. Like it
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Speaker 3: just seems to happen all the time. Is the wildest thing.
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Speaker 3: How many times, like this offseason they say, you know,
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Speaker 3: while it takes is one pulled muscle when a guy's
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Speaker 3: feeling the ball off the mound and all these plans
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Speaker 3: are up in smoke. Well, that might have happened tonight,
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Speaker 3: and unfortunately it's Casey Miz. The serious aspect of this,
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Speaker 3: as you alluded to here in Casey Miz four of
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Speaker 3: his first five starts this season were Dynamite wasn't having
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Speaker 3: a great day Tuesday against the Braves, but it was
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Speaker 3: early and it looks like maybe he didn't get hurt
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Speaker 3: fielding the ball. There's some videos that showed him grimacing
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Speaker 3: after some pitches the previous inning, so it's possible he
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Speaker 3: was trying to pitch through that in the second inning,
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Speaker 3: dribbler in the third, and he just can't handle it anymore.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to speculate too much before we know
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Speaker 3: the severity, but if he pulled a groin enough to
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Speaker 3: cause him to leave the game, you would think that
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Speaker 3: is going to take some time to heal, and groins
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Speaker 3: tend to be tricky for pitchers, Like that's one of
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Speaker 3: those things that can linger a little bit longer than
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Speaker 3: you would like. So we will see. We're about to
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Speaker 3: talk about the hobby bias injury in a second, and
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Speaker 3: he was heard it off and it's hobbies, so that
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Speaker 3: like seems like.
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Speaker 2: A big deal.
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Speaker 3: But I wonder if this Maze injury could end up
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Speaker 3: being more detrimental than to the team. If if he
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Speaker 3: has to go on the il just because you have
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Speaker 3: a rotation spot to fill, I'm not sure. You love
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Speaker 3: any of your options. We can go a little more
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Speaker 3: on depth in that in a second, but that just
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Speaker 3: seems like something that could have some ripple effects from
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Speaker 3: your rotation, to your bullpen to just you're not feeling
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Speaker 3: as good going into series right now. So an unfortunate
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Speaker 3: injury had an unfortunate time for Casey Mace was off
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Speaker 3: to such a great start.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like, lower body injuries are obviously preferable to
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Speaker 1: arm injuries obviously. However, however, like sometimes the lower body,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure this is a Robin Lund thing
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Speaker 1: right here, is that you know, the the body, everything
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Speaker 1: affects everything, right, and so like if you're compensating from
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Speaker 1: the for the lower body, that could have a detrimental
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Speaker 1: effect on the upper bodies. So like one hundred percent speculative,
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Speaker 1: Like obviously no insight here, but given the fact that
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Speaker 1: they didn't even want to give him like a test pitch,
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Speaker 1: tells me that there if there is a five percent
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Speaker 1: like injury to Casey Maize, they're gonna look at options
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Speaker 1: that are either an iel stint or you know, skip
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Speaker 1: a start or you know whatever. Uh, especially given that
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Speaker 1: it's April, especially given that's kind of been the scope
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Speaker 1: of a lot of things that the Tigers have kind
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Speaker 1: of done with the injury situations, including Justin Berlander, who
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Speaker 1: they're obviously slow playing back, and we got a slight
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Speaker 1: update on the earth on Wednesday. He's supposed to do
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Speaker 1: an up down a bullpen, I guess is at the
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Speaker 1: right terminology. Uh So, so anyway, casey Maes are going
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Speaker 1: to be cautious with them, as they should. That's the
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Speaker 1: right thing to do, which means unless I'm told otherwise,
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Speaker 1: and I.
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Speaker 2: Hope this is the case because that means he's one
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Speaker 2: hundreercent healthy.
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Speaker 1: But unless I'm told otherwise, I kind of think there
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Speaker 1: we're missing a start at least Cody, and that leads
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Speaker 1: us to, like, what do you do? So it's the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: You always have to have the bullpen, uh pitching chaos
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Speaker 1: or whatever like in the back of your mind. That
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Speaker 1: could certainly be the case, although given what we've seen
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Speaker 1: from a lot of the bullpen this year, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure that's ease of mind to do so. But there's
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Speaker 1: ty Madden, there's Sawyer Gibson long ty Madden actually pitched today,
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Speaker 1: So you know, if you're talking about you know, not
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Speaker 1: so great two point two endings, gave up three earned runs,
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Speaker 1: had three walks. I'm not gonna sit here and tell
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Speaker 1: you I've been locked in the old Tai Madden Stars.
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Speaker 1: But you know, in terms of spacing things out, it
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Speaker 1: would obviously be a smooth transition for him there. But
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Drew Anderson. You know you're paying him
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Speaker 1: seventy million dollars. You're supposed to you know, this is
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Speaker 1: something he's supposed to be.
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Speaker 2: Capable of doing.
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Speaker 1: Like, I don't know the I don't want to make
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Speaker 1: you say, like, what do you think we're gonna You're
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Speaker 1: gonna is gonna happen, But like, what are some of
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Speaker 1: the that I missed?
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Speaker 2: Any other options?
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Speaker 3: Well, the good news is the Tigers have a lot
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Speaker 3: of options. The bad news is I'm not sure any
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Speaker 3: of them are great. And Manuel DeJesus just got sent down.
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Speaker 3: He's technically in the fifteen day option cycle, but if
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Speaker 3: he were to replace an injured player, he'd be eligible
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Speaker 3: to come up. So it could just be the return
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Speaker 3: of to Hayesus that gives you some length. He and
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Speaker 3: Anderson could alternate as the bolt guys. You're about to
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Speaker 3: face the Rangers and then the Red Sox. Both teams
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Speaker 3: have a pretty good left handed presence, so that could
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Speaker 3: make sense if you think to HAYSU still has to
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Speaker 3: work on some things, but you don't want a lefty.
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Speaker 3: There's always Drew Summers. The cleanest fit in terms of
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Speaker 3: just going with a true starter might be Sawyer Gibson
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Speaker 3: Long who started to get built up a little more.
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Speaker 3: He's gotten across the five inning threshold, crossed eighty pitches,
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Speaker 3: sounds like he's been okay. That would probably be the
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Speaker 3: most obvious option, but I think it's worth pointing out
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Speaker 3: that Tigers don't always do the obvious thing, especially when
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Speaker 3: it comes to pitching. I think they're gonna take a
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Speaker 3: look at the matchups. This would be a situation where
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Speaker 3: having the pitching chaos thing and your tool bag could
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Speaker 3: come in handy if they want to break that out
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Speaker 3: and deploy a little more of a creative look. But
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Speaker 3: if they do that here, and to your point, I
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Speaker 3: think that's going to mean testing someone like Drew Anderson.
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Speaker 3: Like someone is going to have to pitch more, someone
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Speaker 3: is going to have to pitch in a bulk roll.
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Speaker 3: And so maybe it just comes down to, like which
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Speaker 3: of all these options we've just laid out. Do you
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Speaker 3: have the most confidence and you have some other relievers
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Speaker 3: like Ricky Venasco throwing well down in there, but can
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Speaker 3: they they slot in in a way that helps your
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Speaker 3: staff as a whole. It's it's a little bit unclear.
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Speaker 3: I imagine Scott Harris and aj Hinch are going to be
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Speaker 3: having some long conversations in the event myze actually does
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Speaker 3: go on the injured list.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and just to make sure I have this correct,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes these rules are confusing. The heyesus that the
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Speaker 1: cycle thing not mattering is only if somebody he replaces
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Speaker 1: somebody who goes on the injured list.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Is that okay? Okay? So it's not just like, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're skipping start like it's okay.
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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to make sure we had that
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Speaker 1: and then yeah, that would make some sense. I would
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Speaker 1: also say, like, assuming this is not a severe injury,
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Speaker 1: which you know, hopefully I'm not wrong there. I kind
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Speaker 1: of like the Gibson long I like the path at
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Speaker 1: least resistance kind of appeals to me a little bit
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Speaker 1: where it's like we have an idea Gibson long throw,
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Speaker 1: calm up, see you know, keep everything kind of relatively
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Speaker 1: the same. Don't overextend your bullpen for a day when
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Speaker 1: when I don't know if you're necessarily feel comfortable doing that.
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Speaker 2: That sort of is where I lean. But they tend
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Speaker 2: not to listen to me.
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Speaker 1: Cody, so that that would be that would be the
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Speaker 1: problem with that. So we'll have to see him next
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Speaker 1: time we talk. We might have a better idea. And
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Speaker 1: just to wrap up some of the pitching stuff, Verlander,
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Speaker 1: like I said, doing the up down bullpen. Troy Melton
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Speaker 1: is also throwing in Lakeland, but that's I think five
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Speaker 1: to six weeks I believe was the was the timeline
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Speaker 1: that was kind of put out there. And Jackson job is,
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Speaker 1: you know, back to throwing, but again just all the
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Speaker 1: uh you know, the usual steps for him. Obviously he's
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Speaker 1: far from returning that I miss any other uh bowbrisky
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Speaker 1: I think is gonna start throwing miss.
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Speaker 3: Any threw a bullpen. Yeah, the Jackson Joe thing that
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Speaker 3: those are the main ones. Sounds like Zach McKinstry and
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Speaker 3: that's that's on the hitting side. But maybe he's not
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Speaker 3: too far off. So yeah, some guys slowly working their
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Speaker 3: way back to health.
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Speaker 1: All right, We are going to get into the hobby
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here the you know it's it's funny, Cody.
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Speaker 1: Obviously it's not funny, but you said, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I kind of start with a joke with the Casey mies.
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Speaker 1: I kind of had a similar thing with with the
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Speaker 1: hobby situation, because I'll just tell you kind of what
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Speaker 1: was going through my head as the Hobby play played
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Speaker 1: out was that, you know, you saw what kind of
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Speaker 1: play it was gonna be at first base. You see
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Speaker 1: kind of the awkward like go down slide thing that
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Speaker 1: that the hobby attempted there. And my first thought was, oh, man,
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Speaker 1: hobby being hobby, just like you know doing you know,
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Speaker 1: always always you ever know what what the guy's gonna do,
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Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah blah like I and like
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Speaker 1: a kind of a you know, like a jovial like
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Speaker 1: a positive thing. And uh and then you see him
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Speaker 1: like still on the ground and you're like, okay, and
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Speaker 1: then you see the pounding of the of the of
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Speaker 1: the grass there and and then you realize it's uh it,
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Speaker 1: you know, potentially really serious. And obviously we don't know
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Speaker 1: the severity as of right now. Unlike the Casey Meyes injury,
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Speaker 1: we have a better idea of what occurred because you
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Speaker 1: know the Replaygacy his ankle caught his right ankle getting
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Speaker 1: caught underneath him. Obviously, there's still a couple of things
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Speaker 1: that that could be not a great sign that he
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Speaker 1: couldn't put much weight on it. The cart obviously more
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Speaker 1: of a cautionary thing too, like you could tell, and
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Speaker 1: and Dan Petrie on the broadcast was saying that you
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Speaker 1: could tell he wanted to walk off, like you know,
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Speaker 1: like the like the ballplayer he is, but obviously the
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Speaker 1: smarter thing is just get on the cart and and
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Speaker 1: uh and go there. So this one, this one's tough
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Speaker 1: to Cody because obviously, like we were seeing a lot
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Speaker 1: of good Hobby to begin this season, and I'm kind
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Speaker 1: of the opinion that when Hobby's good, you got to
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Speaker 1: ride that wave is long as you can and take
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Speaker 1: full advantage of it. And then you know, you throw
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Speaker 1: in like the defensive versatility, short stuff and center field,
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Speaker 1: and how he just kind of he saves you and
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Speaker 1: enables you at the same time.
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Speaker 2: With what he can do.
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Speaker 1: And now I mean, he's gonna get looked at image
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Speaker 1: all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: We won't know, But now.
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Speaker 1: Now a lot is taken away with this injury. I
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Speaker 1: guess it is probably the best way to kind of
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Speaker 1: phrase it right here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly not good at all for Hobby or for
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Speaker 3: the Tigers. That looked pretty ugly in the moment. Just
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Speaker 3: the fact he couldn't put full weight on it makes
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Speaker 3: me think this is probably an il stent, whether it's
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Speaker 3: something longer term. Maybe you hope it's you know, maybe
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Speaker 3: he just kind of rolled sprain the ankle. He has
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Speaker 3: to miss the minimum and then he's able to jump
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Speaker 3: back in. That would probably be your best case scenario.
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Speaker 3: I think might read on it right now, and then
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Speaker 3: oddly enough, you could already be at planned C center
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Speaker 3: field with Parker Meadows is out, Avey Bias could be out.
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Speaker 3: The good news is Matt Vierling and Winsel Perez are
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Speaker 3: fully capable of helping you out in center field, but
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Speaker 3: probably not getting quite the defense you were and you
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Speaker 3: would need at least one of those two guys to
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Speaker 3: get going. When celted Homer, I think we're gonna talk
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Speaker 3: about that a little bit later. But that was good
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Speaker 3: to see. But we might just we might just need
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Speaker 3: to see a lot more of it. There's a chance
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Speaker 3: he gets an extended run here, and then that creates
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Speaker 3: a pretty big question of like who's coming up for
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Speaker 3: Abby Bias. There's once again, I'm not sure there is
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Speaker 3: an obvious answer. Tiger's Twitter was having some good discussions
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Speaker 3: on this. I saw Tuesday Gage Workman has emerged as
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Speaker 3: a favorite. He's not on the forty Man, which should
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Speaker 3: be noted, but Trey Sweeney I believe could still move
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Speaker 3: to the sixty day il and quickly open a spot.
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Speaker 3: You also have a couple of pictures. If he had
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Speaker 3: to get rid of someone, you could do that. So workman.
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Speaker 3: The biggest thing he gets left handed, you're about to
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Speaker 3: face I believe five of six right handed starters Texas.
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Speaker 3: If they stay in line, I think we'll face McKenzie,
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Speaker 3: core Jack Lighter, Kumar Rocker, got a couple other right,
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Speaker 3: He's coming up in this Brave series, so that bodes
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Speaker 3: in his favor. And the biggest thing I think is
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Speaker 3: he plays shortstop. This is where it's interesting. We're kind
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Speaker 3: of thinking as hobby as a center fielder now, but
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Speaker 3: you could argue that Tigers could really use someone to
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Speaker 3: play shortstop. Be a to prevent Kevin McGonagall from having
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Speaker 3: to play there every day, just from a workload standpoint,
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Speaker 3: not even an ability standpoint, and then b to have
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Speaker 3: a backup option. We saw here and in that game,
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Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall felled the ball off his chin, off his ankle,
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Speaker 3: and for a second it was like this might be
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Speaker 3: the worst night imaginable. Luckily McGonagall was fine and then
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Speaker 3: raced around the bases. Yeah, I think he's okay, but
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Speaker 3: if he were out, I'm not sure who was going
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Speaker 3: into shortstop? Was how you lead even still in the game,
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Speaker 3: like he probably, I guess would be your option. I
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Speaker 3: don't think you're loving that option.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he was in the game.
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Speaker 1: I think you might have had to do like do
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Speaker 1: you put Wenzel Perez at shortstop? I don't think, like takeover,
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Speaker 1: like I don't.
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Speaker 3: Know, I don't know what you would do. So these
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Speaker 3: are arguments in favor of Gage Workman. Trey Cruz would
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Speaker 3: probably be this guy, but he's injured in Toledo, so
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Speaker 3: terrible timing for Trey Cruz. Jasey Young is another lefty
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Speaker 3: bat who could help you, but it doesn't really does
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Speaker 3: not at all play shortstop. You know, you could go
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Speaker 3: the right handed option. There's Cord Jolks. There's some other
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Speaker 3: guys who could play outfield, Ben mel Jerry. The Tigers
17:41
Speaker 3: actually recently just brought back Andrew Navocato, who has some
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Speaker 3: positional versatility. So kind of like the pitching discussion we
17:48
Speaker 3: just had, Curan, there are a lot of options. I'm
17:50
Speaker 3: not sure you love any of them. I guess there
17:53
Speaker 3: is one that might be exciting, but I'll let you
17:58
Speaker 3: address that one.
18:01
Speaker 2: Well.
18:01
Speaker 1: Let let let's let's let's let's get to the gauge
18:04
Speaker 1: piece of this. First, he does have outfeel in the past,
18:08
Speaker 1: but they've been working him. As my understanding, and obviously
18:11
Speaker 1: the guys that Tigers minor league reporter are gonna be
18:14
Speaker 1: all over this kind of stuff, so I recommend you
18:16
Speaker 1: you you follow them for some of these things. But
18:20
Speaker 1: it looks like Gage has been almost exclusively an infielder
18:23
Speaker 1: and played a lot of shortstop this season. He's got
18:26
Speaker 1: ten starts at shortstop. That's the most of any position
18:29
Speaker 1: for him. And if you want this season, just this
18:32
Speaker 1: season and then if you want, like you know, the
18:35
Speaker 1: versatility aspect, nine at second base and six at third base.
18:38
Speaker 1: So they're working him around there and he's hitting three
18:41
Speaker 1: forty four. I know it's triple A, so I'm not
18:44
Speaker 1: trying to overrate it, but like it seems like he's
18:48
Speaker 1: doing well at the plate and he is defensive defensively versatile.
18:53
Speaker 1: The forty man thing, obviously you gotta do some maneuvering there,
18:57
Speaker 1: but to me, that seems to be like the most
19:01
Speaker 1: logical option as of right now, because I think the
19:07
Speaker 1: if you had, if Zach McKinstry was healthy, then I
19:11
Speaker 1: think you can maybe look at some other options and
19:14
Speaker 1: be more open to other possibilities, but as of right now,
19:18
Speaker 1: you have one short stop on your mate, on your
19:22
Speaker 1: active roster, and that just like cannot be a thing
19:25
Speaker 1: because of what we discussed with Ken McGonagall found the
19:28
Speaker 1: ball off his leg and in the eighth ending there,
19:30
Speaker 1: So uh, to me, the gauge thing makes too much sense.
19:33
Speaker 1: I would love to see Trey Cruz, you know, if
19:36
Speaker 1: he wasn't hurt, just because that would probably be that
19:39
Speaker 1: would have been the smoothest option because he is the
19:42
Speaker 1: I think they're like training him to be hobby in
19:46
Speaker 1: two years, right, you know, just kind of seamlessly take
19:48
Speaker 1: that role of center, you know, basically up the middle athlete.
19:51
Speaker 2: Uh.
19:52
Speaker 1: But he but he's hurt, right and he's on the
19:53
Speaker 1: forty man, so that would have been perfect. But but
19:55
Speaker 1: he's he's hurt right now, So that's not an option.
19:58
Speaker 1: And so the it feels like a gauge or options
20:04
Speaker 1: that I'm not even thinking of because something that I
20:08
Speaker 1: believe it has to be said Max Clark is it's
20:12
Speaker 1: not really storybook. It's not in his storybook, and it's
20:15
Speaker 1: not in the Tigers' plans. I don't think for Max
20:18
Speaker 1: Clark to be an injury like like last second ditch
20:22
Speaker 1: replacement to make his major league debut before the Tigers
20:25
Speaker 1: deem him ready. And even Scott Harris, you know, just
20:29
Speaker 1: by coincidence, he was on MLB Network today and he
20:32
Speaker 1: talked about Max Clark and he was and he and
20:35
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, he just said, you know, we want him
20:37
Speaker 1: to focus on where his feed are and that's that's Toledo.
20:40
Speaker 1: So I don't think the Tigers, I don't. They might
20:44
Speaker 1: give it, like the enough thought that they just say
20:48
Speaker 1: it out loud to say that they discussed it, but
20:51
Speaker 1: that would probably be the extent of the considerations for
20:55
Speaker 1: Max Clark to come up in light of this hobby injury.
20:58
Speaker 1: Not to mention like if they if they want to
21:00
Speaker 1: bring up Max Clark, they want to bring him up.
21:03
Speaker 1: I'm guessing here, tell me if I'm wrong. They want
21:05
Speaker 1: to bring him up with the idea of him kind
21:08
Speaker 1: of being with the major league team for an extended
21:11
Speaker 1: period of time. I'm unnecessarily for good per se, But
21:14
Speaker 1: like they're not going to try to bring him up
21:16
Speaker 1: for two weeks and be like, all right, go back
21:18
Speaker 1: down to Leo, you know what I mean. So it
21:20
Speaker 1: just doesn't really feel like it's remotely in the cards.
21:22
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Like, even if this is a
21:25
Speaker 3: longer term thing for Hobby, you would have McKinstry returning,
21:29
Speaker 3: you might not be able to guarantee a long stay
21:32
Speaker 3: in the majors. And this just isn't how the Tigers
21:36
Speaker 3: historically have handled big time prospects. And yeah, the Scott
21:40
Speaker 3: Harrison interview, I mean he said this Tuesday afternoon, We're
21:44
Speaker 3: not ready to bring him up right now was his
21:47
Speaker 3: direct quote. So that seems pretty clear that they're not
21:52
Speaker 3: going to do this just because there was an injury.
21:54
Speaker 3: Now would he have phrased that slightly differently if he
21:57
Speaker 3: would have known he was gonna lose this interveialder Like,
21:59
Speaker 3: I don't know, it does seem a little more plausible.
22:02
Speaker 3: All the options we just listed off look'd be a
22:05
Speaker 3: great story to see someone like Gage Workman get a shot,
22:08
Speaker 3: but more so than in the past, like it, and
22:12
Speaker 3: with Trey Cruise injured, you're like, well, what's the best
22:15
Speaker 3: baseball option here? Like, I don't know, it could be Max,
22:19
Speaker 3: but I don't think it will be Max if they
22:23
Speaker 3: can't guarantee him a long stay. If he's not checking
22:26
Speaker 3: every single box they want to see. They're not going
22:29
Speaker 3: to rush him, let alone start his service clock and
22:32
Speaker 3: all that good stuff. I would be really surprised. But
22:36
Speaker 3: as we've kind of said before, like the you know,
22:39
Speaker 3: once you hit plan C in center field, if Hobby
22:43
Speaker 3: were to miss an extended period, the stock might be
22:47
Speaker 3: looking up for Max Clerk debuting at some point, let's
22:51
Speaker 3: say in the summer instead of September. You know, maybe
22:54
Speaker 3: it could alter things a little bit, But that's getting
22:57
Speaker 3: way way ahead of ourselves and speculating probably too much.
23:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's the best way to
23:07
Speaker 1: summarize it. And and and also like this is one
23:10
Speaker 1: of the things that this injury has the potential to do.
23:13
Speaker 1: And again we don't stress. We all know the severity
23:15
Speaker 1: of it, and it's gonna shine some light on some
23:18
Speaker 1: guys that like don't necessarily always have the spotlight on them.
23:22
Speaker 1: And you at the top here you mentioned Matt Virlyan
23:25
Speaker 1: Wentzelf Perez. Matt Virlin's an interesting one, dude, because like
23:33
Speaker 1: we know why the Tigers adore having him as as
23:36
Speaker 1: a member of this roster, but we also to this
23:40
Speaker 1: point in the season haven't necessarily seen a whole lot
23:44
Speaker 1: of it, And like he's got fifty seven at bats
23:50
Speaker 1: if you're into batting average, he's hit in a buck
23:53
Speaker 1: ninety three like it, Like he just obviously hasn't.
23:56
Speaker 2: Gotten going at the plate.
23:58
Speaker 1: Now, if you look at his Baseball savat page, which
24:01
Speaker 1: I think we have up for those that are watching
24:04
Speaker 1: on YouTube, there's an approach angle to this Cody that
24:08
Speaker 1: is encouraging and that you know, maybe gives you some
24:10
Speaker 1: signs that things will turn around a little bit. You know,
24:13
Speaker 1: he's not whiffing very much, he's not striking out very much.
24:16
Speaker 1: He's getting walks at an above average rate. He's just
24:20
Speaker 1: not really hitting the ball hard, and he's not I
24:25
Speaker 1: guess you could say he's running into a little bit
24:27
Speaker 1: of bad luck, but only a three sixty three expected slugging.
24:32
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
24:33
Speaker 1: Like it's that it's it's not a lot to hang
24:36
Speaker 1: on too, I guess, is what I'm saying. And then
24:38
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be playing center field. He's got
24:41
Speaker 1: the sprints beeding the eighty seven percentile, but right now
24:44
Speaker 1: his range in the outfield is only in twenty three
24:46
Speaker 1: percent tile. So like the like, some of this stuff
24:50
Speaker 1: is okay, when you're outfielder three and a half, but
24:53
Speaker 1: now when you gotta be one of you know, basically
24:56
Speaker 1: every day, maybe not every day, but basically every day centerfielder,
25:00
Speaker 1: potentially for some period of time, like these flaws could
25:05
Speaker 1: be more exposed, or he could get right at the
25:08
Speaker 1: right time.
25:09
Speaker 3: That is also possible to Virling's interesting. Man, you said
25:12
Speaker 3: fifty seven at bats, it oddly almost feels like less
25:16
Speaker 3: to me, Like I just feel like he hasn't played
25:18
Speaker 3: a lot or maybe that you know, hasn't really got
25:20
Speaker 3: that consistent playing time yet, which almost makes me think, well,
25:24
Speaker 3: this could be a great opportunity for Matt Feeling. The
25:26
Speaker 3: good thing about Matt Vieling, there's some upside there. I mean,
25:30
Speaker 3: this guy two years ago was really good for the Tigers,
25:34
Speaker 3: was just beginning to tap into some of his power,
25:37
Speaker 3: was doing a lot of nice things. You know, he's
25:40
Speaker 3: athletic and like defensively, I don't know if you really
25:43
Speaker 3: want him in center field every day, but you could
25:44
Speaker 3: do worse.
25:46
Speaker 1: And like.
25:48
Speaker 3: There's still something in there with Matt Vierling at the plate.
25:52
Speaker 3: He's had such a quiet, kind of forgettable start to
25:55
Speaker 3: the year. And I don't say that with any disrespect.
25:57
Speaker 3: It's just like how it's been, so maybe he's due
26:01
Speaker 3: for a little bit of an extended run. Maybe it
26:03
Speaker 3: could be that thing that gets him going and gets
26:06
Speaker 3: the Tigers to see the best version of Maddy v Again.
26:10
Speaker 3: We'll see how they want to handle the playing time
26:12
Speaker 3: and distribute the reps. But that seems like something that
26:14
Speaker 3: could be possible. Again, all of this is assuming Hobby
26:18
Speaker 3: Bias goes on the injured list.
26:22
Speaker 1: All right, we are going to get to wens Soel
26:24
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26:27
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, Cody.
27:38
Speaker 1: You know it's funny sometimes this game just like gives
27:43
Speaker 1: you something and then gives you like another example of
27:46
Speaker 1: like the opposite. So we talked last time out about
27:50
Speaker 1: Wentzel being pinch hit for with a lefty on the
27:53
Speaker 1: mound for Jami Jones against the against the Reds, and
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, I would say it was fair to call
28:01
Speaker 1: it a curious decision, you know, justifiable for the reasons
28:04
Speaker 1: that you laid out, but curious because you know you
28:06
Speaker 1: don't see it that often. And we point out that
28:09
Speaker 1: Wensil hasn't really gotten that many opportunities against left handed pitching. Well,
28:13
Speaker 1: he got one tonight and he hit one four hundred
28:15
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether they exactly exactly measure, but
28:17
Speaker 1: you know, four hundred and ten feet to dead away
28:19
Speaker 1: center to uh to put the Tigers on the board
28:23
Speaker 1: and and you know, kind of break the home run
28:27
Speaker 1: glass ceiling if you would, because the Tigers did put
28:29
Speaker 1: some chargers in some balls, you know, earlier in the game,
28:32
Speaker 1: so got them on the board made it somewhat interesting.
28:36
Speaker 2: Uh I.
28:39
Speaker 1: I really like that Wentzel. Perez has this in his bag,
28:44
Speaker 1: and so I'm really happy that we got to see
28:46
Speaker 1: an example of it, especially given that with Hobby being
28:51
Speaker 1: out and you know, some other stuff going on. I
28:53
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna have the luxury much much
28:55
Speaker 1: more to like pinch hit for him lay in games
28:58
Speaker 1: when there's a left on the mount.
29:01
Speaker 2: Different.
29:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, very similar to the Matt Vierlan conversation, Like there's
29:05
Speaker 3: a go chance you're playing time is about to tick up.
29:07
Speaker 3: You want an opportunity and you want to run with it.
29:10
Speaker 3: I mean, here you go. We've seen Winsll do some
29:13
Speaker 3: really nice things. We also saw just saw him squeezed
29:16
Speaker 3: off the opening day roster and We've seen him struggle
29:19
Speaker 3: a little bit at times, but there's a pretty good
29:22
Speaker 3: ballplayer in there, and this could represent his chance to
29:27
Speaker 3: kind of grab a hold and make sure he's a
29:30
Speaker 3: part of this thing at the major league level for
29:32
Speaker 3: the rest of the summer. I do think the right
29:34
Speaker 3: handed swing with him is big. I mean, that was
29:37
Speaker 3: a huge component of his game last season, something that
29:40
Speaker 3: hadn't really been part of his mo before, and he
29:43
Speaker 3: improved significantly from the right side. It made a huge difference,
29:46
Speaker 3: made a more viable every single day, viable to stay
29:50
Speaker 3: in the game. If a team brings in a lefty reliever,
29:54
Speaker 3: that's kind of probably the number one thing I'll be
29:56
Speaker 3: watching with winsall, assuming his at bats toa a couple
30:00
Speaker 3: little bit.
30:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, uh, Like I said, it's a good sign.
30:05
Speaker 1: Not a lot of things you call good signs when
30:07
Speaker 1: you lose, you know, to potentially two starters in a game,
30:11
Speaker 1: but but this that would definitely qualifies there.
30:14
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's wrap up with this.
30:19
Speaker 1: You know, ESPN earlier today put out there, and I
30:22
Speaker 1: love that they did this. It just kind of leaning
30:24
Speaker 1: into like kind of putting on record what could be
30:27
Speaker 1: an overreaction me the April All Stars, and.
30:30
Speaker 2: I mean this is herely I think it's a fun exercise.
30:33
Speaker 1: It tells you, like who's done well, and then also
30:35
Speaker 1: part of the exercise is like, you know, who has
30:37
Speaker 1: not done well? So I thought it was a nice
30:40
Speaker 1: little piece of content here Tigers while represented to April
30:44
Speaker 1: All Stars, Ken McGonagall not the two shocking made it.
30:49
Speaker 2: They put them at third base.
30:50
Speaker 1: So they could put uh, I think they put La
30:54
Speaker 1: Daily Cruz at shortstop, so they put McGonagall at third
30:57
Speaker 1: base in this you know, fictional All Star team. And
30:59
Speaker 1: and obviously this is a guy that's captured the intention
31:03
Speaker 1: of the entirety of Major League Baseball and even today,
31:06
Speaker 1: like you know, just like you said earlier, bows the
31:09
Speaker 1: ball off his leg, legs out in infield, single has
31:12
Speaker 1: a has has a challenge successful, and then almost does
31:15
Speaker 1: another one, and then you know, takes the hand down.
31:18
Speaker 1: You know, like it's I just infascinated by every little
31:21
Speaker 1: thing that McGonagall does.
31:22
Speaker 2: Man, he's so much fun to watch.
31:24
Speaker 3: To take the hand down and then stretch was hilarious. Yeah,
31:27
Speaker 3: it's like, no, dude, we know, we know what you
31:29
Speaker 3: did here. Like their cameras on you bro it's all good.
31:35
Speaker 2: It was so good. Like I love again.
31:38
Speaker 1: I don't just like watching him play baseball, love watching
31:41
Speaker 1: him be a baseball player, if that makes sense, you.
31:43
Speaker 2: Know, just all those like little things. And then and
31:46
Speaker 2: then also Riley Green.
31:47
Speaker 1: Riley Green got on the board here and uh, and
31:51
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of read from the ESPN article. Uh,
31:54
Speaker 1: you know Green, he's slashing whatever. You guys know the
31:57
Speaker 1: stats he you know, last year, thirty six home runs,
32:00
Speaker 1: two hundred and two hundred and one strikeouts. But this
32:04
Speaker 1: version of Green, this is from the ESPN article, is
32:06
Speaker 1: preferable and more valuable even with fewer home runs, since
32:09
Speaker 1: he's getting on base often.
32:11
Speaker 2: This is coming into today. He won't maintain a five
32:14
Speaker 2: point thirty one.
32:15
Speaker 1: On base percentage against left handers whole season, but it
32:18
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see if he can maintain and
32:20
Speaker 1: improve walk in strikeout rate. So Riley Green, maybe not
32:24
Speaker 1: as flashy. We had to wait for the home runs
32:26
Speaker 1: and you know, all that stuff, but quietly putting together,
32:29
Speaker 1: I say, quietly by his standards, putting together like some
32:33
Speaker 1: equality season thus far. And I didn't even realize he
32:36
Speaker 1: was five point thirty one on base against the left.
32:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, be nice. Just sustain that all season and you'll
32:43
Speaker 3: be golden. No. I like a lot of what Riley
32:47
Speaker 3: Green is doing at the plate now, and we have
32:49
Speaker 3: seen that some of that power start to come. The
32:52
Speaker 3: strikeout rages down, that is certainly worth mentioning from the
32:58
Speaker 3: thirty percent rate last year to twenty four percent clip
33:02
Speaker 3: this year looks still a somewhat small sample, so I
33:05
Speaker 3: don't know. I think some strikeouts are in his profile,
33:09
Speaker 3: but what I've talked about, I just want to see
33:10
Speaker 3: him not chase. If he's going to strike out, I
33:13
Speaker 3: want it to be because he's taken a big hack
33:15
Speaker 3: and he just missed. What we don't want is the
33:18
Speaker 3: Riley Green chasing stuff in the dirt. Swing it at
33:21
Speaker 3: a high pitch. He should lay off having empty at
33:24
Speaker 3: bats when he's a much better hitter than that. So far,
33:27
Speaker 3: what has Riley Green done. He's comes chase rate from
33:30
Speaker 3: thirty one percent to just over twenty four percent, chasing
33:34
Speaker 3: quite a bit less. That's helping the strikeouts, that's helping
33:38
Speaker 3: the walks. I think that's leading to an all around
33:40
Speaker 3: better hitter. He's been a lot more patient on first pitches.
33:44
Speaker 3: Last year, he was swinging at the first pitch forty
33:46
Speaker 3: one percent of the time, only thirty four percent so
33:50
Speaker 3: far this season. Stay on guard because you might just
33:53
Speaker 3: see some get me over breaking balls that he could
33:55
Speaker 3: hit four hundred and fifty feet. But Riley Green is
33:58
Speaker 3: doing some really good things started to show up in
34:01
Speaker 3: the numbers. It's encouraging to relate to our previous conversation.
34:06
Speaker 3: Remember when Riley was a center fielder even last year,
34:09
Speaker 3: and I was like, they got to be able to
34:11
Speaker 3: put Riley in center. So remember when they lowered the
34:13
Speaker 3: wall at Camerica and Scott Hares said it in part
34:16
Speaker 3: is because they had a center fielder in Riley Green
34:19
Speaker 3: who could rop home runs. Funny how things change, how
34:23
Speaker 3: quickly things change. It doesn't seem like Riley is going
34:27
Speaker 3: to be one of these options to slide over to
34:29
Speaker 3: center anymore. But if he keeps doing what he's doing
34:32
Speaker 3: at the plate right now, he's going to be just fine.
34:36
Speaker 1: I haven't done this joke on Twitter, I haven't done
34:40
Speaker 1: it on this podcast, but yes, I still when I
34:43
Speaker 1: am watching games and see Riley die for a ball
34:46
Speaker 1: or bang into a wall or like you know, like
34:49
Speaker 1: even what he did at the Green Monster in Boston,
34:52
Speaker 1: like I still say out loud, well, it's a good
34:55
Speaker 1: thing we're saving his body and left field, I still
34:57
Speaker 1: say that joke. I just want you guys to know
34:59
Speaker 1: I don't tweet it, I don't say on the podcast,
35:01
Speaker 1: but I still say it like in real life. So
35:04
Speaker 1: I just want to make something clear about that, and
35:07
Speaker 1: then also kind of wrap up here, be remiss if
35:10
Speaker 1: we didn't mention, you know, the streak is over for
35:12
Speaker 1: Spencer Torklsen. So he did not break a franchise record,
35:16
Speaker 1: still tied a franchise record. Still really cool. And I'll
35:19
Speaker 1: tell you what's really cool about it. Cody is on
35:22
Speaker 1: the TBS broadcast. There's a national broadcast now they're doing
35:25
Speaker 1: like the montage of like, you know, trying to hype
35:28
Speaker 1: up this game to get people to want to watch, right,
35:31
Speaker 1: And it's like all these Braves highlights and the Tigers
35:33
Speaker 1: highlights were almost exclusively Specer Torgulsen, and they were meaningful,
35:38
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like you could have
35:40
Speaker 1: en visioned that in some of these down seasons where
35:42
Speaker 1: it's like we're just gonna hype up he as a
35:44
Speaker 1: former overall pick you know whatever, Like these were like
35:47
Speaker 1: meaningful Spencer Torklsen highlights to like lead into a national broadcast,
35:53
Speaker 1: and so like those kind of little things to me
35:56
Speaker 1: matter that means that like he is being looked at
35:59
Speaker 1: in this certain way by the people whose job is
36:02
Speaker 1: to get you to want to watch you know, their product,
36:05
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
36:06
Speaker 2: So I thought, I think I thought that was cool.
36:09
Speaker 3: As predicted nothing but spin, we should we should do
36:12
Speaker 3: analyzing one of our tork at bats. That first at
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Speaker 3: bat he saw nothing but breaking balls and went full count,
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Speaker 3: laid off, worked the walk. I liked that a lot
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Speaker 3: because again, Martine Perez, he's a little bit of a
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Speaker 3: junk baller anyway, but like there's gonna be more where
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Speaker 3: that came from. You're not seeing those middle middle fastballs
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Speaker 3: for a second. Take some walks in the interim, and
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Speaker 3: I think torqu will have a chance to be good
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Speaker 3: at the plate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Again, as I said last time, and I know obviously
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Speaker 1: today wasn't anything to brag about, But as I said
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Speaker 1: last time, I was more encouraged by approach and you know,
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Speaker 1: and he did, you know, succumb today, So it's not
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Speaker 1: like he was perfect there, But like that first at
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Speaker 1: bat to me was as encouraging as anything, because again
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Speaker 1: for said bat trying to give a streak, if you're
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Speaker 1: going all out for the home run, like you're just
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Speaker 1: going for everything there, you know what I mean. But
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Speaker 1: he stayed into the approach and so I actually thought
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Speaker 1: that was encouraging.
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Speaker 2: So the streak is over.
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Speaker 1: It was fun while it lasted, but you know, good
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Speaker 1: for special turkle Sen to kind of ri ride himself
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Speaker 1: and see if there's see what happens from here on
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Speaker 1: out for him this year? All right, anything else, Cody
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Speaker 1: before we jet out of here?
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Speaker 3: No, I think that covers it. Maybe next time the
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Speaker 3: Tigers will be back with some good injury news. In
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Speaker 3: this whole episode will have been pointless. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: we'll we'll find out soon, you know what.
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Speaker 1: I'm not ever opposed to our episodes being pointless and
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Speaker 1: as it turns out, pointless, but was still fun to do.
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of how I viewed this one.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll turn out to be pointless, but regardless, it
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Speaker 1: was fun to do.
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Speaker 2: This extra these thought exercises with you, Cody.
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Speaker 1: great day.