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Family Camping, Murdered in their Sleep in Tent · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A family camping slaughtered, murdered
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Speaker 1: in their sleep. Why I mean, see Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and serious XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. He did run just to
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Speaker 1: the first set of adults, and she is the one
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Speaker 1: they called nine one. DCI isn't releasing some details out
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Speaker 1: of respect for the family. But one thing they say
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Speaker 1: we might never know is why you try to wrap
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Speaker 1: our rational minds of around a very irrational behavior. And
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Speaker 1: more from Bo Bowman in at kse CCI. The Iowa
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Speaker 1: Division of Criminal Investigation says Tyler, Sarah and Lulish Mint.
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Speaker 1: We're all shot at the Mucocata Caves on July twenty second.
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Speaker 1: The autopsies found the mother and the father were also stabbed,
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Speaker 1: and their six year old daughter was strangled. Get a
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Speaker 1: woman on the phone till the kid came up. Third campers,
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Speaker 1: his parents were shot. That scanner audio was the first
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Speaker 1: call for assistance at the campgrounds. We knew that child
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Speaker 1: was nine year old Arlow Schmidt. The little boy wandering
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Speaker 1: from tent to tent, trying to tell someone that mommy
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Speaker 1: and Daddy have been shot. Can you even imagine that?
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Speaker 1: And now we know the six year old little sister
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Speaker 1: was strangled. Who would do this to a family quietly
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Speaker 1: sleeping in their tent on a camp out, especially because
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Speaker 1: of Scouts now but forever, we have taken our twins
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Speaker 1: camping r ving all across the country, especially during COVID
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Speaker 1: to think that someone would use a campground as a
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Speaker 1: hunting ground. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. We have an incredible panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. But
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Speaker 1: first I want to go to a special guest joining us.
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Speaker 1: It's Adam Moorehouse. This is one of the mom, Sarah Schmidt,
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Speaker 1: who was murdered in her own tent on a family
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Speaker 1: camp out. This is her brother, Adam. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, Hi, good morning, Thank you. You know, Adam,
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Speaker 1: I hated to even introduce you that way because I
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Speaker 1: know it must be so hard to put your mind
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Speaker 1: around what you and your family are living through. But
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Speaker 1: first of all, how is little Arlow? The nine year
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Speaker 1: old son Arlo was doing well. He's got a great
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Speaker 1: support network of family and friends surrounding him on a
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Speaker 1: daily basis, and the outpouring of support from everybody all
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Speaker 1: around the world has been absolutely incredible through all of this.
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Speaker 1: Is Arlow living with relatives with family, that's correct, He's
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Speaker 1: currently still living in the in that area and he
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Speaker 1: is with immediate family at this time. Can I ask you, Adam,
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Speaker 1: will he'd be able to go back to his regular
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Speaker 1: school that he was already less see nine years old?
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Speaker 1: Is that third or fourth grade? Yes, ma'am, I believe
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Speaker 1: he's going into fourth grade. I could be wrong on that,
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Speaker 1: but you know a lot of people ask and have
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Speaker 1: been asking, you know, Whens, what do we think is
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Speaker 1: a normal to get back to? And as we can
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Speaker 1: all imagine, there's no such thing as going back to
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Speaker 1: normal for Harlowe in any sort of sense. No, there's
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Speaker 1: really not. I know you're saying, Adam that he's got
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Speaker 1: support and relatives, which a lot of children don't have
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Speaker 1: after a tragedy like this, But there's just no replacing
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Speaker 1: mom and dad and little sister. Because Adam, my children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and lose your twins and they do everything together,
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Speaker 1: everything to go forward with out his little sister and
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Speaker 1: mom and dad. That's that's just a horrible horrible burden
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Speaker 1: for Arl. I'm just so grateful that you and your family,
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Speaker 1: you're all there to try to help him through this.
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Speaker 1: And I wonder how he's ever going to get past
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Speaker 1: his memories of that night, because he's the one that
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Speaker 1: sounded the alarm. Adam, when did you first realize something
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Speaker 1: horrible had happened? So? I was notified by phone from
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Speaker 1: one of my other sisters. She lives in South Dakota,
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Speaker 1: and after the tragedy happened, they immediately started the first
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Speaker 1: responders started trying to find next to the kin, and
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Speaker 1: they notified a local police department in South Dakota, where
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Speaker 1: my other sister is living, who did a home visit
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Speaker 1: for her, and so she called me and I was
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Speaker 1: notified about six and a half, seven hours after the
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Speaker 1: incident over the phone. What went through your mind? Do
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Speaker 1: you remember that moment? I do. It's definitely something I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget. It's it's a thing that several people have
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Speaker 1: gone through before, and I have actually helped and talk
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Speaker 1: to others as well through events like that, and then
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Speaker 1: to have it happened to me was I went through
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Speaker 1: the different stages of shock pretty much immediately from grief
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Speaker 1: to sadness, to absolute rage, back to sadness and disbelief
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Guys, Adam moorehouses with me, the
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Speaker 1: mom who was martyred in her tent along with her
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Speaker 1: husband Tyler, their six year old daughter, Layla. Her brother
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Speaker 1: is with us. Adam, where were you when you got
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Speaker 1: that call? So I live in the Detroit area, and
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Speaker 1: actually my children were at church camp that whole week
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Speaker 1: and I was picking them up from church camp when
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Speaker 1: I got notified over the phone, which was a blessing
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Speaker 1: in disguise to be surrounded by a whole family of
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Speaker 1: faith that we have along with our pastors that were
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Speaker 1: right there, to be able to to sit there and
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Speaker 1: just be with each other for about an hour. Adam,
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Speaker 1: were you told immediately how they were killed? When did
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Speaker 1: you find out they had actually been murdered and their
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Speaker 1: camping tent at night while they're asleep. So I didn't
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Speaker 1: find out. I found out saying that they were that
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Speaker 1: they were shot and killed. That is the only information
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Speaker 1: that I was given. And then after the investigation was
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Speaker 1: getting closer to completion towards the end of the following week,
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Speaker 1: was how I found out that they were what the
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Speaker 1: caliber handgun was that was used and everything in between.
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Speaker 1: But I have purposely stayed away from all media outlets.
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Speaker 1: I still have never read a report on what actually happened.
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Speaker 1: I was not told any details, and I'm doing that
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Speaker 1: kind of twofold but for my own grief process as
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Speaker 1: well as trying to be kind of unbiased in all
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Speaker 1: of this, because the way I'm dealing with it is
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Speaker 1: I know the outcome, and the outcome is four lives
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Speaker 1: are gone and there's nothing we can do to go
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Speaker 1: back and grieving with all of this, I still don't
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Speaker 1: know many details, Adam, can I tell you something? And I,
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Speaker 1: of all people, you would never suspect this. I have
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Speaker 1: never gone back. I've never gone to the site where
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Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered. I don't want to. I've never
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Speaker 1: read the police report. I know what the prosecutor told
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Speaker 1: me at the trial, but it's so painful that it
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Speaker 1: can throw me into a depression that it will take
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Speaker 1: me I don't know how long to get out of.
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Speaker 1: And now I have the children and I don't want them,
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Speaker 1: you know, to be around me being sad and depressed,
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Speaker 1: So I you know, it's probably not healthy. I'm sure,
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Speaker 1: doctor Georry crawls and is going to pull me aside
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Speaker 1: after today. But I think it's called compartmentalization. I completely
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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. I hardly know which way to
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Speaker 1: go next. I don't know if you've ever been in
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Speaker 1: that spot where I have so many questions in such
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Speaker 1: an incredible panel with me, but I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: to the facts with me. High profile reporter out of
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Speaker 1: a case RGTV nine that's Ode of Iowa. Brian Tabbot
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Speaker 1: is with us and you can find him on Facebook
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Speaker 1: at Brian Tabot k c RG. Brian. I really appreciate
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Speaker 1: you being with us today. Where did this happen? Brian?
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Speaker 1: Explain that to me? Because you know, I just wrote
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Speaker 1: a book, another book, and this is called Don't Be
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Speaker 1: a Victim, fighting Back against America's Crime Wave. And because
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Speaker 1: we my family are big camperers and r Vier's high
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Speaker 1: cur swimmers. All that I wanted to write about dangers
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Speaker 1: are being in camping. And I first really keyed into
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Speaker 1: it when I heard about a serial killer Israel Keys,
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Speaker 1: because he would actually stalk campgrounds where you think you're
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Speaker 1: out in nature and you're safe, and typically you are,
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Speaker 1: there are people that are like wolves, like the hyena
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Speaker 1: at the watering hole on the Savannah, waiting to attack
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Speaker 1: an innocent person. I got to hear about this. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about this location. So it's in Jackson County. It's
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Speaker 1: in the eastern part of the state. It's about an
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Speaker 1: hour east of Cedar Rapids. The caves are popular for
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Speaker 1: it's a state park. It's popular for its bluffs, pine trees,
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Speaker 1: thirteen caves and six miles of trails. Do you mind
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Speaker 1: saying that again? I want to take that in. How
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Speaker 1: many caves? Thirteen caves, Bryan Tabec. From what I've learned,
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Speaker 1: there are three hundred and twenty three acres at least,
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Speaker 1: and the caves are incredibly deep, like one hundred feet
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Speaker 1: deep based on what you've told me, Brian. So out
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Speaker 1: of all of that land, we have this family who
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Speaker 1: goes camping and they are the ones singled out, correct, Yes, Now,
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Speaker 1: where where is the part located? Works? Located again in
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Speaker 1: Jackson County, Iowa's the eastern part of the state. It's
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Speaker 1: about an hour east of Cedar Rapids to Adam Moorehouse.
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Speaker 1: This is the mom Sarah Schmidt's brother, who has stayed
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Speaker 1: away from media but has kindly joined us today and
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Speaker 1: I'm really grateful, Adam, thank you. Were was Sarah and
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Speaker 1: her family outdoor people. They were extremely outdoorsy. They love
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Speaker 1: to get out and hike as a family. Um they
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Speaker 1: even bought snowshoes as previous Christmas h stay could start
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Speaker 1: enjoying the winter months and everything together. So as the
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Speaker 1: children were growing, they became more and more comfortable staying
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Speaker 1: overnight outside in campsite. So they frequented many areas in
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Speaker 1: the Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota area, leaving out of Sea Falls there.
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Speaker 1: I bet her Facebook or whatever she had insta was
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Speaker 1: full of pictures of her family out camping and hiking,
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Speaker 1: right They absolutely are. Yep, there's several pictures that are
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Speaker 1: out there, including all the social media posts and the
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Speaker 1: media outlets that I've provided all the photos from, and
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Speaker 1: every single one of that one that we have of
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Speaker 1: them as a family in the past two years are
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Speaker 1: all outdoors hiking and camping together. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: Greg Smith. You know him. Will is a special Deputy
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Kansas, and he's the
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Speaker 1: executive director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, named after his
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Speaker 1: daughter Kelsey that was murdered. Greg, Can I ask you
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Speaker 1: when we talk about these cases you and I, does
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Speaker 1: it bring back or stir up losing Kelsey? Oh? Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it brings back any case that I've been
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Speaker 1: involved in that has something like this. You know, the
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Speaker 1: kar Kopetski case, which happened right about the same time
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Speaker 1: as Kelsey, is one that comes to mind. You know,
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Speaker 1: I was listening and I think one of the things
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Speaker 1: that we talk about and some of our training is
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Speaker 1: that a homicide is a unique crime in that it
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Speaker 1: touches so many people. There are so many victims, there
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Speaker 1: are so many additional assaults that occur after the homicide
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Speaker 1: that it causes so much emotional trauma. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: even represent Nancy when you were talking. It's just one
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Speaker 1: of those things there's you can't fix it, you can't
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Speaker 1: make it better. There's no matter what happens, even if
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Speaker 1: there's a successful arrest, conviction, you know, the whole nine yards,
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Speaker 1: it still doesn't bring back your love. And you know,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting to Katherine Marsh joining me. In addition to
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Speaker 1: Greg Smith, Adam Moorehouse and Brian Tabbock. Catherine a special
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Speaker 1: victim's liaison at the State Attorney's Office. She is joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Maryland. Katherine, when I first learned about
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Speaker 1: the murders of this family camping sleeping in their tent
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Speaker 1: at night on this wonderful, idealic trip. When I heard
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Speaker 1: about it, you know what I was doing, Katherine, I
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Speaker 1: was right in the middle of folding up my son's
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Speaker 1: camp hammock. He is a camper that he likes to
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Speaker 1: pitch a hammock and not a tent, and he camps
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Speaker 1: in the hammock. We put out a tent, and he
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Speaker 1: camps in the hammock, and then at night may or
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Speaker 1: may not put a covering that goes over like a
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Speaker 1: inverted over mat. He stays in there all night. I
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Speaker 1: was rolling it up, getting ready to go camping, and
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Speaker 1: I heard about this taste, and I've got to tell
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Speaker 1: you it just I felt like I got the wind
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Speaker 1: not to out of me, and it made me wonder,
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Speaker 1: first of all, what happened with Arlo Schmidt, the nine
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Speaker 1: year old little boy that was running from tent to
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Speaker 1: tent trying to get help. But it made me worry
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Speaker 1: about how safe it really is to take our family camping. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: there are certain things that I think we all grew
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Speaker 1: up are thinking. Our safe family camping trip is the
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Speaker 1: top of the list. You're with your family, You're in
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Speaker 1: a state park, You're in a safe place. You're protected.
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Speaker 1: It's like the violation of a crime in your home.
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Speaker 1: It's the place that's to be protected. It's not where
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Speaker 1: you ever expect this kind of crime to occur. And
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Speaker 1: to doctor Jory Crows and joining Us Psychology and faculty
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Speaker 1: Saint Leo University, author of Operations, doctor Jorry thics for
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Speaker 1: being with us the dichotomy of feeling so safe and
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Speaker 1: then being exposed to an unspeakable crime wiping out nearly
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Speaker 1: an entire family on top of them being asleep on
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Speaker 1: a vacation trip. The dichotomy of that is is jarring,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jory. It's hard to get your mind around. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and the reciprocating throughout society. To everybody that reads that,
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Speaker 1: of course, you're shocked because I think all of us
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Speaker 1: have been outdoors. You know, I not camping, just being
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Speaker 1: out in a safe place, especially state parks. You know
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Speaker 1: the majority of them have officers on duty at the gate,
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Speaker 1: but they also patrol, so you feel this sense of
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Speaker 1: security there even sleep. I know you're in Florida. They
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Speaker 1: do they make rounds just like regular patrol officers, and
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Speaker 1: to have that violated it really impacts people. To Adam
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Speaker 1: Moorehouse kind enough to join us. He has not been
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Speaker 1: doing media rounds and trying to deal with the loss
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Speaker 1: of his sister, his brother in law, his little niece,
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Speaker 1: Lulage just six years old. And I am so grateful,
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Speaker 1: Adam Moorehouse, that you were joining us. And while you're here,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to tell everyone about to go fund me.
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Speaker 1: You only have to google Arlo Schmidt go fund me
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Speaker 1: and you'll see it to help Adam Adam, to help
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Speaker 1: Arlo as he grows up with all of the expenses
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Speaker 1: of school and hopefully college and having a life therapy,
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Speaker 1: whatever he's going to need after being in that tent,
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Speaker 1: discovering his mom and dad and little sister Dad. That's
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Speaker 1: the way we find it, right, Adam Arlo Schmidt, go
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Speaker 1: fund me. That is correct, yep. And so many people
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Speaker 1: have already donated, and there's no way to say thank
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Speaker 1: you for all the support from our families, from the
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Speaker 1: Schmidt family and the Moorhouse family. For everything that everybody
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Speaker 1: has done for Arlow up until this point and in
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Speaker 1: the future, the Cedar Falls area and everybody worldwide who
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Speaker 1: has tapped into that is just absolutely incredible. Adam, was
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Speaker 1: Sarah your sister? Was she always an outdoors parson? Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was. So she went to school at Truman State
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Speaker 1: University up in Kirchil, Missouri, and then followed that on
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Speaker 1: to work and went to school at Kansas University and
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Speaker 1: she worked in the science department there and was involved
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Speaker 1: with a program called monarch Watch and was attempting to
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Speaker 1: get her doctorate for the longest time, doing a big
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Speaker 1: study of the Kansas River in the insects that are
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Speaker 1: in that area. And she'd always been out on the water.
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Speaker 1: She's always been outside, camping and hiking, all two girls
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Speaker 1: scouts growing up and all the way until this event.
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Speaker 1: You know, I noticed, Adam, and I still do it too.
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Speaker 1: You're referring to their murders as this event. It's really hard.
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Speaker 1: It's really hard to call it anything else. I understand.
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Speaker 1: Back to the facts too. Ryan Tabot Casey RGTV nine
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Speaker 1: joining us. When did you first learn about this family
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Speaker 1: being attacked and killed? That day. That Friday night, I
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Speaker 1: saw the mayor and made a post when the air
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Speaker 1: Ceater Falls made a post on Facebook and I had
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Speaker 1: reached out to him to see what he had known
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Speaker 1: about it immediately. What happened that evening? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at GMA. Tyler and Sarah Schmidt and
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Speaker 1: their six year old daughter Lula were found dead in
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Speaker 1: their tent at the Mccota State Park campground Friday, their
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Speaker 1: nine year old son Marlow running to get help a
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Speaker 1: great for the childhood in for another camper a friend
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Speaker 1: that there was a possible shooting in his camper. Parents
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Speaker 1: are in there, this family camping, three of them killed
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Speaker 1: seemingly randomly. When authorities found them, they evacuated the campground. Investigators,
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Speaker 1: family friends, and community members all seek the same answer tonight.
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Speaker 1: Why why would somebody do this to a Cedar Falls
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Speaker 1: family enjoying time together while they camped, But the why
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Speaker 1: may never come. According to the Division of Criminal Investigations
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Speaker 1: Assistant Director, the DCI says that the Schmidtz had been
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Speaker 1: camping in a tent in mccata Caves State Park Friday morning.
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Speaker 1: Adam Moorehouse is joining us. This is the mom Sarah's
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Speaker 1: brother Adam. Were they all in the same tent or
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Speaker 1: did they have separate tents? I know they were all
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Speaker 1: camping in one tent. So the little boy, Arlo age nine,
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Speaker 1: who lived was in the tent at the time of
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Speaker 1: the shootings and stabbings. We knew that Arlow was in
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Speaker 1: the tent at least at the beginning. We don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly how he was able to get out, And the
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Speaker 1: only information really that we do know is that the
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Speaker 1: DCI investigators and the first responders and the detectives who
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Speaker 1: first spoke to Arlow said that he was an absolute
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Speaker 1: ideal witness. Poor little guy. I mean, doctor Tory Crawsen,
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Speaker 1: you're the psychologist. How is he ever going to get
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Speaker 1: beyond being in the tent at the time and escaping
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Speaker 1: while mom and dad and little sister are killed and
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Speaker 1: running from tent to tent trying to get help. Any
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Speaker 1: with trauma, there's this psychological dynamic of time compression where
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Speaker 1: things slow down as the body starts to experience that
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Speaker 1: high level of stress and trauma has almost like electrifies
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Speaker 1: the body again into this denial, and some people have
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Speaker 1: that fight or flight somehow that freeze and submit, but
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Speaker 1: the time just seems to stop where it compresses. The
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Speaker 1: best way to get through that is with you have
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Speaker 1: to decompress time, and it just takes time to do that.
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Speaker 1: And just like what you said as being an ideal witness,
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Speaker 1: you know he has that ability, and especially properly interviewed,
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Speaker 1: you know he'll be able to decompress that time and
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Speaker 1: that trauma together. Hello guy, oh, age of nine. I'm curious.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree joining me right now. Forensic pathologist, former
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Speaker 1: medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Doctor Dupree,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I find it very
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Speaker 1: unusual that the killer used three modes of murtyr He
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Speaker 1: shot the family in their sleep. I bet you don't
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Speaker 1: say that a lot someone in their sleep, stabbed some
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Speaker 1: of them and strangled the little girl. I don't. That's
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Speaker 1: very odd, killing them three times over, essentially, Nancy, that
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Speaker 1: is very odd. Most people obviously don't do that, and
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Speaker 1: so he obviously most likely brought the weapons with him,
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Speaker 1: and we know that he brought the gun with him.
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Speaker 1: That's very strange. Guys, take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: at GMA. You're going to hear some police dispatch. Listen,
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Speaker 1: the family from Cedar Falls was on vacation. Stranger wearing
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Speaker 1: all black, Yeah, and the tent had some service small
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Speaker 1: gun and he took off running. A stranger wearing all
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Speaker 1: black got in the tent, had some sort of a
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Speaker 1: small gun and then took off running. Greg Smith's special
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Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff joinings out of Johnson County wearing all black.
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Speaker 1: That tells me the killer had dressed up ninja style
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Speaker 1: to attack an innocent family in their leap. What does
23:01
Speaker 1: that tell you, Well, it sounds like it was calculating,
23:03
Speaker 1: that was pre planned, but it doesn't necessarily mean that
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Speaker 1: that family was the target or known to the killer.
23:13
Speaker 1: And I can tell you just right now, Catherine Marsh,
23:16
Speaker 1: We're going to know the killer is a man, and
23:18
Speaker 1: I'm basing that on statistics right off the bat. It's
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Speaker 1: highly unlikely the killer would be a female. Agree. Agreed,
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Speaker 1: especially when you add in the mode of that we're
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Speaker 1: used in this case, specifically strangulation, that is almost always
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Speaker 1: predominantly a male method of killing guys. This is not
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Speaker 1: the first time that an innocent family has been attacked camping.
23:45
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut fourteen our friends at
23:47
Speaker 1: k ABC, the investigation continues into who shot and killed
23:52
Speaker 1: just In Boudette during a camping trip with his two
23:54
Speaker 1: little girls at Malibu Creek State Park in Calabasas had
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Speaker 1: Allergan and Irvine, where thirty five year old scientist helped
24:01
Speaker 1: with research and development. The company says it is rare
24:04
Speaker 1: that we lose a friend and colleague, especially in an
24:07
Speaker 1: event that was senseless and difficult to understand. Tristan will
24:11
Speaker 1: be remembered as a talented scientist who was admired by
24:14
Speaker 1: all who knew him. There's nothing you can describe that
24:17
Speaker 1: losing a family member like that, particularly like this, a
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Speaker 1: family man like this with two small children. Tristin Boudette
24:23
Speaker 1: had taken his children camping as two little girls. I
24:28
Speaker 1: recall Jackie correct me if I'm wrong. The mom was
24:32
Speaker 1: studying for some exam and he took them for the
24:37
Speaker 1: weekend so she could have complete total quiet so she
24:40
Speaker 1: could study. And the case lingered for a long time
24:47
Speaker 1: as authorities try to determine who would shoot into a
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Speaker 1: tent of a sleeping a family about to go to sleep.
24:57
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at CBS News. Tristan
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Speaker 1: Bondette was shot in the head as he lay sleeping
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Speaker 1: with his two young daughters in a tent. The suspect
25:06
Speaker 1: has a lengthy criminal background, including illegal weapons possession, and
25:11
Speaker 1: apparently picked his victims at random. Anthony Rowda was blocked
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Speaker 1: from cameras by his public defender as he appeared in
25:17
Speaker 1: a Los Angeles courtroom Monday. Authorities reportedly say the forty
25:22
Speaker 1: two year old was a survivalist who lived off stolen
25:25
Speaker 1: food while often sleeping outside in the Malibu area. He
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Speaker 1: now faces multiple charges, including the murder of thirty five
25:32
Speaker 1: year old Tristan Bondette to Adam Moorehouse. This is mom
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Speaker 1: Sarah Schmidt's brother. Sarah lost her life in the tent
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Speaker 1: with her family that night. Adam so hard and I
25:45
Speaker 1: dealt with this too. It's so hard to comprehend that
25:50
Speaker 1: this could have been a random killing, because in Tristan
25:54
Speaker 1: Badette's case, the dad with the two little girls I
25:56
Speaker 1: just told you about, the killer didn't know them. He
26:00
Speaker 1: just targeted campers, just like shooting a bird up in
26:03
Speaker 1: the sky. You don't know the victim. He just targeted campers.
26:08
Speaker 1: That's really hard to take in. No real no connection whatsoever,
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Speaker 1: no motive, no grudge, no angry argument, nothing, adam, nothing
26:19
Speaker 1: at all. That's definitely been the one of the hardest struggles,
26:24
Speaker 1: and this entire thing for everybody is uh. We were
26:27
Speaker 1: immediately asked by severally investigators did we did we know
26:31
Speaker 1: the families involved? Do we know any of the alleged individuals?
26:35
Speaker 1: Was there any contact? And that's one thing I've been
26:38
Speaker 1: stressing from the beginning of all this is this was
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Speaker 1: one random that there was no interaction. Nobody knew each other.
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Speaker 1: This individual just decided on a whim that morning to
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Speaker 1: pick a tent and to walk into a tent and
26:53
Speaker 1: inflict evil. And now my family and the Schmidt family,
26:57
Speaker 1: and more importantly Arlo Schmidt is living with that forever.
27:03
Speaker 1: You said that morning, what time did the shootings occur?
27:08
Speaker 1: I don't know that to the correct extent. I I
27:13
Speaker 1: just know that I was notified later that day in
27:17
Speaker 1: the early afternoon period. Brian Taboc joining his case rg
27:20
Speaker 1: TV nine out of Iowa. You've been on the case
27:23
Speaker 1: from the get go, Brian, What time do we believe
27:26
Speaker 1: the shootings occurred? We believe around six am Friday morning. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle du Pree joining me, forensic pathologist and author
27:35
Speaker 1: doctor G. Pree. You don't see a lot of crimes
27:39
Speaker 1: of this ilk occurring at six a m. But those
27:44
Speaker 1: are the heavy sleeping hours, when you know, the early
27:47
Speaker 1: morning hours, between say two am and six am, when
27:51
Speaker 1: you're fine, we've finally got into sleep on a hard
27:54
Speaker 1: service the ground and completely unaware what's going on around you. Yes,
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Speaker 1: now see that's exactly right, and so I mean, if
28:03
Speaker 1: you look at it, it's unfortunately a perfect opportunity for
28:06
Speaker 1: something like this because the people are unaware, completely unaware. Earlier,
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Speaker 1: I mentioned to you a serial killer, Israel Keys, that
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Speaker 1: stalked victims at campgrounds. Listen to our friends at crime
28:19
Speaker 1: online dot com. Serial killer Israel Keys was set apart
28:23
Speaker 1: from other serial killers. He had no victim type. It
28:27
Speaker 1: didn't matter whether it was a man or a woman
28:29
Speaker 1: he killed, or ethnicity. But the thing that Keys victims
28:33
Speaker 1: had in common was where he would find them. Listened
28:36
Speaker 1: to Keys speaking to the FBI, I would let them
28:42
Speaker 1: come to Memo area remote area design anywhere in here
28:50
Speaker 1: and where you live that other people going to as well.
28:54
Speaker 1: Those remote areas, according to Keys, included lakes, beaches, national parks,
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Speaker 1: camp grounds, especially wooded areas. He was very comfortable out
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Speaker 1: in the woods and in wilderness areas. Key's told the
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Speaker 1: FBI that by the age of fourteen, he realized that
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Speaker 1: he could sit in the woods for hours on end
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Speaker 1: without making a move, you know, at a moorhouse, joining
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Speaker 1: me special guests. Today, this is mom Sarah, who lost
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Speaker 1: her life and her camping tent with her family. It
29:26
Speaker 1: just I don't know really how to react to hearing
29:31
Speaker 1: a killer speak so calmly, so nonchalantly about stalking his
29:38
Speaker 1: victims at campgrounds. It's like there's no idea the wake
29:44
Speaker 1: of pain he's leaving behind him. That's exactly right. And
29:49
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing to remember and all that
29:51
Speaker 1: when you hear individuals who are still around who have
29:54
Speaker 1: committed such heinous acts, that it's the big part of
29:58
Speaker 1: the mental instability that other folks kind of have a
30:02
Speaker 1: hard time I think dealing with that others somebody like myself.
30:08
Speaker 1: I understand the repercussions and I know what its pain
30:12
Speaker 1: it could cause and everything in between. And now I'm
30:14
Speaker 1: part of it. And I think listening and hearing other
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Speaker 1: serial killers who are talking about this, or individuals who
30:21
Speaker 1: have done this obviously are in a mental state that
30:25
Speaker 1: are different than what I can even comprehend. And that's
30:27
Speaker 1: the hardest struggle to try to figure out as a
30:31
Speaker 1: as a human being. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, you know,
30:51
Speaker 1: doctor Jordy Cause and I want to follow up on
30:53
Speaker 1: Adam Morehouse. Special guest joining us just said he's referring
30:57
Speaker 1: to the nonchalant discussion this killer is having of his victims.
31:02
Speaker 1: He's talked at campgrounds. It's not a mental illness. I
31:06
Speaker 1: think it's a characteristic that you don't feel someone else's pain. Yeah,
31:12
Speaker 1: they're able to well, really that feeling doesn't exist in them.
31:18
Speaker 1: If you follow some psychological theories, they're just incapable. And
31:22
Speaker 1: when you listen to them verbalize, there's no emotionality. You
31:28
Speaker 1: notice the flat tone. Plus they don't use if they
31:31
Speaker 1: use any emotional words, they have no meaning to them.
31:35
Speaker 1: They're not something where you can actually see that it
31:37
Speaker 1: has impacted them, like love or caring for people. You know.
31:41
Speaker 1: Katherine Mars joining Ours Special Victims Liaison, State Attorney General's
31:44
Speaker 1: Office and Starve a No Gray Zone podcast. Katherine, I
31:49
Speaker 1: have sat in court so many times and when the
31:52
Speaker 1: jury wasn't looking or wasn't in the courtroom, I'd look
31:54
Speaker 1: over at the defendant and they would be so calm
31:58
Speaker 1: and cool, like nothing had ever happened. They show very
32:03
Speaker 1: little emotion at times. They will, as you know, they
32:06
Speaker 1: can sit there and just doodle and act like nothing
32:08
Speaker 1: else is going on around them, especially when they are
32:12
Speaker 1: detached emotionally from what they did in the harm that
32:15
Speaker 1: they've caused. A family on a camping ship slaughtered by
32:18
Speaker 1: a gunman as they slept in their own tent. The
32:22
Speaker 1: sole survivor, a nine year old little boy orlowe, set
32:27
Speaker 1: for a life time of trauma after escaping that tent.
32:34
Speaker 1: Of course, Israel kay is not the only one. These
32:37
Speaker 1: are a pair of victims that came to light during
32:39
Speaker 1: the Gabby Petito investigation. Crystal Turner and Kayland Shulty murder.
32:46
Speaker 1: To listen to our friends at ABC four, friends say,
32:51
Speaker 1: twenty four year old Kylan Schulton thirty eight year old
32:54
Speaker 1: Crystal Turner were married on April twentieth of this year
32:57
Speaker 1: and often camped together with their pet rabbit. Moab resident
33:01
Speaker 1: Cindy Sue Hunters shopped at the food cooperative where Kaylan worked.
33:05
Speaker 1: When the couple hadn't been heard from in three days,
33:08
Speaker 1: Hunter got a phone call from Kayland's father in Montana.
33:12
Speaker 1: He said, I just found out that there was a
33:14
Speaker 1: creeper dude that they were scared of. That they were
33:19
Speaker 1: saying they needed to move their camp and more from
33:22
Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. The Grand County Sheriff's Office
33:26
Speaker 1: has identified forty four year old Adam Pinkowitz as a
33:29
Speaker 1: suspect in the murders of Kayland Shulty and Crystal Turner.
33:35
Speaker 1: The newlyweds were camping in the LaSalle Mountains. Their bodies
33:38
Speaker 1: were found with multiple gunshot wounds on August eighteenth of
33:43
Speaker 1: last year. Pinkowitz was a former employee at McDonald's, where
33:47
Speaker 1: Crystal Turner worked, just outside of downtown Moab. So, as
33:52
Speaker 1: it turns out, there was a connection between that killer
33:58
Speaker 1: and the two women ed as they camped. So in
34:03
Speaker 1: this particular case that we're talking about Adam Moorehouse, the
34:07
Speaker 1: resolution was a hard one to fathom. Take a listen
34:12
Speaker 1: to our friends at wqaight D police say this all
34:16
Speaker 1: started just before six thirty this morning. Three people were
34:20
Speaker 1: found dead in the park's camp around then. A short
34:23
Speaker 1: time later, a fourth person was discovered nearby. That person
34:27
Speaker 1: was identified as the suspected shooter twenty three year old
34:31
Speaker 1: Anthony Sherwin of Nebraska, who authorities say died from a
34:34
Speaker 1: self inflicted gunshot wound. The mother of the suspect, who
34:38
Speaker 1: was also at the park at the time of the shooting,
34:40
Speaker 1: writing in a statement to ABC News, he gave us
34:42
Speaker 1: no warning that he was planning anything of this sort.
34:45
Speaker 1: Anthony was not capable of this sort of violence. But
34:48
Speaker 1: authorities say all indicators point to the suspect, and there's
34:51
Speaker 1: nothing to indicate that there was anyone else responsible or
34:55
Speaker 1: anyone else acting with him. Sara Schmidt's brother says nine
34:58
Speaker 1: year old Arlow is safe with family in Cedar Falls,
35:01
Speaker 1: and he described him as an amazing, bright young child
35:04
Speaker 1: who's been a courageous little man in all of this.
35:07
Speaker 1: To Bryan's having joined his casey RGTV nine, who is
35:12
Speaker 1: the suspect, Anthony Sherwin, h twenty three, We know very
35:16
Speaker 1: little at bottom. We just know that he's from La Vista, Nebraska.
35:20
Speaker 1: We also know that his mother claims that in no
35:23
Speaker 1: way would he ever have done this to Greg Smith
35:27
Speaker 1: joining US Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Kansas.
35:31
Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Because in nearly every
35:34
Speaker 1: trial I ever tried, right behind the defendant would be
35:38
Speaker 1: his mother, who would never believe our son had done
35:41
Speaker 1: such a thing. Yeah, seems to be a common theme, Nancy.
35:44
Speaker 1: There's always seems like there's always a family member somewhere
35:47
Speaker 1: that it sits right there behind the defendant and as
35:51
Speaker 1: you know, fully behind them, and that this is a
35:54
Speaker 1: miscarriage of justice or something along these lines, despite ninety
36:00
Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of the time there's overwhelming evidence
36:02
Speaker 1: that you points to the contrary. In this case, Doctor
36:05
Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, I would imagine that the part being found
36:10
Speaker 1: with the weapon would be the biggest indicator, because he
36:15
Speaker 1: the suspect, used the weapon on himself, and clearly those
36:21
Speaker 1: ballistics can be traced back to the bullets inside the
36:24
Speaker 1: Schmidt tent. Explain how that works? Yes, and see that's
36:28
Speaker 1: exactly right. And one of the other most interesting things
36:31
Speaker 1: about this is that he used a ghost gun, and
36:34
Speaker 1: a ghost gun is either a kit gun or one
36:37
Speaker 1: that is put together without a serial number that the
36:40
Speaker 1: person makes themselves. It can also be three D printed,
36:44
Speaker 1: And so this was premeditated, this was intentional. And then
36:48
Speaker 1: as you said, to find him with the weapon and
36:50
Speaker 1: how to have used that weapon on himself. This is irrefutable,
36:54
Speaker 1: irrefutable ballistics. And everyone, when I say, Katherine marshould jump
36:59
Speaker 1: in because you're all so familiar with this. A bullet
37:02
Speaker 1: is like a fingerprint. When a gun is created with
37:07
Speaker 1: hot metal, it dries a certain way. Inside the long
37:12
Speaker 1: portion of the gun, there are drippings of metal, and
37:15
Speaker 1: when a bullet hurtles down that cylinder, certain marked striations
37:21
Speaker 1: is what they're called, are made on a bullet. So
37:24
Speaker 1: you take the known bullet from inside the Schmidt's tent,
37:28
Speaker 1: you fire a test shot with a murder weapon, and
37:31
Speaker 1: compare the two bullets under a microscope, and that is
37:35
Speaker 1: really irrefutable evidence, as doctor Dupri said, Katherine marsh absolutely,
37:40
Speaker 1: we rely on ballistic as you said, fingerprinting all the time.
37:43
Speaker 1: Those striations which are basically twists and turned that are
37:47
Speaker 1: on the fired bullet can be matched to the gun
37:51
Speaker 1: for that test fire, to any other bullets that are
37:54
Speaker 1: on scene to show that they all came from one gun.
37:57
Speaker 1: We'd probably also be looking here for blood testing on
38:02
Speaker 1: his body, on DNA evidence within the tent, on fingerprints
38:07
Speaker 1: within the tent. All of those make that overwhelming evidence
38:10
Speaker 1: picture now the mom, Celia, the mom of the killer,
38:14
Speaker 1: denies her son could be the killer, or claiming Arlas
38:18
Speaker 1: said the gunman was wearing black, but that her son
38:21
Speaker 1: was wearing green. Adam Moorehouse is joining us. Adam, thank
38:26
Speaker 1: you so much for speaking out today, and what is
38:29
Speaker 1: your message to everyone listening or watching? My message is
38:35
Speaker 1: definitely the one that the Schmidt's family, Tyler and Sarah,
38:41
Speaker 1: Lula and even Arlow were the quintessential Midwestern family that
38:48
Speaker 1: a lot of people think about when it comes to volunteerism,
38:53
Speaker 1: when it comes to carrying and kindness and faith, and
38:58
Speaker 1: knowing who they were was extremely fortunate and loving in
39:02
Speaker 1: my situation. But understanding and seeing how many people that
39:10
Speaker 1: they affected who have come out and supported us all
39:16
Speaker 1: through this entire tragedy has just been absolutely incredible. So
39:22
Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody that both families want to
39:24
Speaker 1: make sure everybody is thanked for all of their support
39:27
Speaker 1: now and going forward as well. As it's cliche to say,
39:32
Speaker 1: but enjoy every moment that you have while you're on
39:35
Speaker 1: this earth, whether that be with family or doing what
39:38
Speaker 1: you love, because you never know, Adam, it's not cliche.
39:44
Speaker 1: We all get so caught up in our everyday lives
39:46
Speaker 1: or buzzing around like little ants that are so easy
39:51
Speaker 1: to forget. To appreciate every moment, and I like you.
39:57
Speaker 1: It's totally changed by a tragic murder, and it makes
40:03
Speaker 1: me realize every day how blessed we are. Thank you
40:08
Speaker 1: for being with us. Thank you, Thank you, Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I'm stories signing up. Goodbye friend.