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NFL Week 5 MNF Showdown | Saints @ Chiefs | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems going clear, the lift up.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Everyone? Tyler Tamberline here aka totagging.
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  Speaker 3: Tambo, back for another edition of the Monday night Football Showdown.
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  Speaker 3: Show here on the Ship a Nation YouTube station talking
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  Speaker 3: all things Saints at the chief Scott Hoopster title here
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  Speaker 3: with me. As always, if you're joining us for the
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  Speaker 3: at eighty three hundred Hoopster.
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  Speaker 1: Bring you in. We already reviewed yesterday earlier on the
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  Speaker 1: Takedown Breakdown.
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  Speaker 3: People can go check that show up. But how was
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  Speaker 3: your Sunday? And excited for this Monday?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah Sunday, I mean it was. It's always good to
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  Speaker 2: sit back and watch some football. In terms of results,
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  Speaker 2: not my best day, but you know, you get back
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  Speaker 2: on it and then try to find success in the
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  Speaker 2: next lighter. And in terms of you know what we
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  Speaker 2: talked about yesterday on the show, I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: we kind of nailed it. To some degree. I mean
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  Speaker 2: we talked about the Baltimore Cincinnati stuff and knowing you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to do something a little bit different in that
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  Speaker 2: game to get a lot of it, and it ended
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  Speaker 2: up being true. I mean, the Burrow double stack. It
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  Speaker 2: was expensive to go Burrow Chase and t Higgins, but
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  Speaker 2: that was you know, kind of the route to go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we all liked that game in terms of
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  Speaker 2: you know, where I ended up is probably my third,
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  Speaker 2: third or fourth highest exposed game, but you know, didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the right pieces to go along with it. What
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  Speaker 2: really hurt me was that the you know, the Rams
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  Speaker 2: Packers game was not great, and then I took a
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  Speaker 2: big stand on the Seattle Giant situation, and those games
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  Speaker 2: really never never fully got going. I mean, there's some
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  Speaker 2: good individual pieces, but I kind of played more game
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  Speaker 2: stack stuff yesterday and it fell a little short. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, got one more game here to finish it
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  Speaker 2: up and see what we can find.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the week's never over yet. We always say that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Sean knows it. Last night, it's tough on
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  Speaker 3: the East East coast. You guys don't even have this
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  Speaker 3: in the US with the Atlantic time zone.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not staying up for that game.
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  Speaker 3: I still have my lineups in the first message this morning,
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  Speaker 3: and Discord was narrator. He did not win all the
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  Speaker 3: money because I said I would try and pull a hoopster,
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  Speaker 3: go to sleep and wake up to all the money.
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  Speaker 1: It did not work out. I could not be like,
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  Speaker 1: be like Mike if you will.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't stay up for that game either. It
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  Speaker 2: did seem pretty gross. I saw a little bit of it,
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  Speaker 2: and I watched like the first quarter. I'm like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, screw this Like, I'm not I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to be tired as hell tomorrow in order to stay
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  Speaker 2: up and watch this shit. And it looked like based
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  Speaker 2: on based on the box where it was a proper decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been good.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see another game tonight though, title bring you in
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  Speaker 3: and the chat's already talking about it, mainly me making
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  Speaker 3: up stuff. You can't spell captain without pat You could
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  Speaker 3: put CPT with it. These captain quarterbacks that have been
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  Speaker 3: coming through another good call last time out on that one.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, title? What's going on man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Doing well. I also did not stay up, and I
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  Speaker 4: mean I'm on the West coast.
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  Speaker 5: Tampa's four hours ahead hoop three and I still could
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  Speaker 5: make it halftime I was out as well. Looks like
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  Speaker 5: the proper decision because I lost all my money on
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  Speaker 5: that Showdown slate, but hopefully get it back today. And
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's a good slate. I think, yeah, because
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of unknowns and I guess a lot
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  Speaker 5: of options, some unknowns for sure, but without where shei
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  Speaker 5: Rice Travis Kelce looks mispriced a little bit quarterbacks again,
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  Speaker 5: don't think people really want to play him in the
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  Speaker 5: captain spot, especially the car Mahomes will get some naturally,
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I think it's it's another fun slate,
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  Speaker 5: big prize pools, scaited talk football.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say it again.
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  Speaker 3: I said it on the Tampa Bay Atlanta and I'll
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  Speaker 3: definitely say it about this one again.
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  Speaker 1: Is I love this slate.
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  Speaker 3: What we want in Showdown is we want to know
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  Speaker 3: what other people are going to do. I feel very
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  Speaker 3: good about what people are going to do on this
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  Speaker 3: slate when we talk through the captains, the roster construction,
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  Speaker 3: all that. I just want the information on what I
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  Speaker 3: think the field is going to do to be able
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  Speaker 3: to give myself a chance. And the other night that
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  Speaker 3: ot touchdown to Hodge was pits. That was a four
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  Speaker 3: way chop up top that I was involved in, so
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  Speaker 3: I was definitely hoping for that.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't happen there, but maybe we get it back today.
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  Speaker 3: So who start with you? Five and a half point favorites,
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs at home, still undefeated, by the way. Somehow this
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs team haven't looked like they should be, but they are.
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  Speaker 3: And forty three I think was the last I saw
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  Speaker 3: in the total, so maybe it's up a little bit
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  Speaker 3: from there now, but around forty three, what's your first
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  Speaker 3: thoughts in this game?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is interesting obviously with the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, continuing to find success and continuing just to
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  Speaker 2: lose key pieces, I mean losing Pacheco still found a
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  Speaker 2: way to win a football game or two, I think
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  Speaker 2: since he's gone out, Rashid Rice goes down, still finding
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  Speaker 2: way to win football games. And they're just the best
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  Speaker 2: organization of the NFL, that probably the best coaching staff
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. They're gonna come up with the game
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  Speaker 2: plan to probably win this one too. I mean they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna lose along the way at some point, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't really bank on it at this point. But
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  Speaker 2: we're not here to talk wins the losses. We're obviously
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  Speaker 2: here to talk fantasy football. And in terms of this slate,
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  Speaker 2: basically anywhere you look, you're gonna see three guys getting
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  Speaker 2: all the ownership at the captain position, and then after
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  Speaker 2: that it is everyone's going to be relatively low. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's going to go to Camarrow, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: go to Travis kelce I think they'll end up being
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  Speaker 2: one and two tomorrow. Game clearly fits DK scoring perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you were to draw up a running
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  Speaker 2: back for draft Kings scoring, it would probably be Alvin Kamara,
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  Speaker 2: and it's pretty easy to get him in there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he is the most expensive guy you can still clearly
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  Speaker 2: make it work. I think Travis Kelcey is going to
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  Speaker 2: be the number two without Rachieve Rice. We finally saw
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  Speaker 2: a productive fantasy game from him when Rice went down,
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  Speaker 2: and the targets should be there. I mean, there's just
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  Speaker 2: so you look at the other guys. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: it that Mahomes will be throwing the football too, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just guys that you don't really want to put
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  Speaker 2: up top. And then the last option is going to
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  Speaker 2: be Patrick Mahomes. He's gonna get quite a bit of ownership,
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  Speaker 2: and just talking through it, he's definitely my least favorite.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna have some of him, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously curious to get your thought, mister never Mahomes, but
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  Speaker 2: you've made it clear. I mean, you've made it very
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  Speaker 2: clear that that only applies to full slates and mainsleets.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you've made that clear along the way. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think after those three it's gonna be low
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  Speaker 2: no matter where you go, and our ownership shows it,
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  Speaker 2: like after those three, everyone else like five percent or below,
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  Speaker 2: six percent or below, and I think that probably ends
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  Speaker 2: up being true. I mean, Chris Olave is a name
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  Speaker 2: that people will probably want to play. But man, this
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  Speaker 2: Chief defense very very solid, and with these injuries, there's
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  Speaker 2: one thing I know from following the Chiefs of the years,
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  Speaker 2: they will gladly take a nasty, nasty, ugly win. Saw
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  Speaker 2: last week with the Chargers, same case here, Like they
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  Speaker 2: would be fine with these guys injured winning these games
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  Speaker 2: seventeen to thirteen. If they could, they'd take that. They'd
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  Speaker 2: sign up for that every single game, and they probably
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  Speaker 2: game plan for it, to be honest with you, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe that comes into play in terms of
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  Speaker 2: roster construction today, knowing that there is a chance for
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  Speaker 2: an ugly, nasty, low scoring game, which you kind of
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  Speaker 2: is kind of reflected in the total. I mean a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times Chiefs games against competent offense is the
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  Speaker 2: same time, definitely a competent offense, we'd see this total
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  Speaker 2: sitting around upper forties, maybe fifty. It's coming in at
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  Speaker 2: forty three. I mean, they're going to want to win
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  Speaker 2: nasty games with these injuries. So but just to kind
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  Speaker 2: of round up the conversation in terms of what I
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  Speaker 2: see the field doing, it's like those three at captain
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  Speaker 2: for sure. But it is an interesting slip because there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of I always use the term playable guys.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of playable guys, a lot of guys
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  Speaker 2: that are projected with the decent number on this slate.
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  Speaker 2: So when it comes to that, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different ways to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to get the chat in on it early.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious what people think sort of the score of
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  Speaker 3: this game is gonna look like, what the final sets
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  Speaker 3: up like. So I'll leave it up there for a
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  Speaker 3: second and title before I go to you, I will
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  Speaker 3: clarify because the chat was talking about it. It's not
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  Speaker 3: even like it's technically not slate dependent. It's actually the
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  Speaker 3: slate at hand, I guess, but showdown. Of course, I'm
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  Speaker 3: involved and I'll be back in. I'm Patrick Mahomes the
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  Speaker 3: joke earlyer, Like I said, you can't spell captain without Pat.
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  Speaker 3: I'll definitely be in because what do we say, it's
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that spread it around. There's the reason he's never
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes on main slates is because he spreads it around.
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  Speaker 3: And tonight we've got multiple running back options, multiple receiver options,
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  Speaker 3: and we're waiting on some hardman news. But he did
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  Speaker 3: practice in full on Saturday, so we'll see there. Kelsey
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  Speaker 3: and Gray can even play them both together. So there's
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  Speaker 3: like seven or eight options that you can use with Mahomes,
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  Speaker 3: and I think with Kamara Kelsey sort of keeping him
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  Speaker 3: at least a little bit in check up there there
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  Speaker 3: is a possibility I'll still be able to be involved
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  Speaker 3: and be around the field on a guy like Mahomes,
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  Speaker 3: But I do like some of those pass catching options.
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  Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on this game?
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  Speaker 3: And then you could take it into your captain thoughts
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  Speaker 3: as well as these scores start to roll in.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was gonna ask the Qbams showdown master
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  Speaker 5: on what he was doing with Mahomes.
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  Speaker 4: So you're playing them, I'm gonna play him.
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  Speaker 5: You got Kirk Cousins right he backdoored it, or you
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  Speaker 5: just at quarterbacks in general. At ownership, I exed it out,
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  Speaker 5: got absolutely killed. You have the Rodgers, I exit out.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna ex out Car unless mat No, I'm exing
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  Speaker 5: out Car.
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  Speaker 4: Even if you do, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: On Car, so I can give you that information early too, So.
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  Speaker 5: All right, good, I'm not playing Car, but I'll play
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  Speaker 5: some Mahomes. And the nice thing to like make a
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  Speaker 5: case for him is, yeah, the ownership probably like fifteen percentage,
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  Speaker 5: but you have so many ways you can play him
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  Speaker 5: because a lot of his options are cheap.
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  Speaker 4: They do have a lot of options. There's multiple running backs.
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  Speaker 5: In play, and I mean he showed a little legs
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  Speaker 5: last week, a little more than he has in the past.
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  Speaker 5: So I think you can get like unique teams under
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  Speaker 5: ten dup teams without getting crazy and playing some full
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  Speaker 5: on punt that might not see the field.
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  Speaker 4: So that is the case.
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  Speaker 5: And now that you're playing, and I talk about more,
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: even though I don't love it thinking about the game,
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  Speaker 5: I don't love playing quarterbacks mainly pass or non rushers
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  Speaker 5: in the captain spot today I will for those reasons,
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  Speaker 5: which means I'll probably be underway Kamara.
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  Speaker 4: Because I like the pass catchers.
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  Speaker 5: If you look at the stone, which we talked about
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  Speaker 5: it for the Bengals game yesterday, the pass funnel run funnel,
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  Speaker 5: it sets up the same spot. Both teams have a
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  Speaker 5: D in pass defense B plus for Chiefs and run
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  Speaker 5: defense B for the Saints. And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: pass catchers like Olave. Because of his price, he's naturally
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  Speaker 5: gonna get squeezed. I'll add more a Lave to the
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  Speaker 5: field than I will Kamara. Today, Kelsey is the most
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  Speaker 5: mispriced in terms of pricing.
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  Speaker 4: It looks like with this new with his role with Rice.
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  Speaker 4: But like, give me a lave, give me Shaheed for upside,
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  Speaker 4: give me Worthy. He looks over priced.
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  Speaker 5: I think more and captain just because I think how
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  Speaker 5: Kelsey gets there is like ten catches. He still looks
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  Speaker 5: slow to me. I still don't like. Give me the explosiveness,
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  Speaker 5: big play upside. I think the pass catchers Olave Shaheed
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  Speaker 5: Worthy and I'll throw this back to you, are you
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  Speaker 5: gonna be playing like Juwan Johnson, Justin Watson, Jujuws of
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  Speaker 5: the world Tambo because I think that's in play too,
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  Speaker 5: and you don't have to get absolutely crazy with a
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  Speaker 5: punt play if you do play those guys.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the tricky things about Chiefs showdown slates
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  Speaker 3: is that while those guys work, you just need to
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  Speaker 3: be really different with those lineups. Remember our guy shout out,
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  Speaker 3: Mark f got the millimaker last year on a Chief
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  Speaker 3: slate with a Watson captain.
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  Speaker 1: Someone asked about Justin Watson in the chat, is he
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  Speaker 1: not Yeah, he's gonna be popular when people know they
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  Speaker 1: can play him.
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  Speaker 3: He's cheap enough. He's thirty four hundred and fifty one
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  Speaker 3: hundred captain. But you'd have to when you go with
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  Speaker 3: the Chief captains in these Chiefs games, everyone just jams
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  Speaker 3: in the same thing. You'll get Mahomes, Kamara, Kelsey, etcetera.
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  Speaker 3: You sort of land very similarly to everybody else. So
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  Speaker 3: you do have to be willing to leave money on
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  Speaker 3: the table. But I think some of them are probably
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  Speaker 3: going to slip in for very little percentages. But my
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  Speaker 3: focus is going to be on Kamara Olave Shaheed. No
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  Speaker 3: secret on that side, just stick to the big three,
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  Speaker 3: mainly Kamara. I think one of the about Kamara's besides blowouts,
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  Speaker 3: which you think the Chiefs blowl them out, I just
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  Speaker 3: don't think the Chiefs have looked good enough to do it.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's tough to go into Arrowhead all that,
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  Speaker 3: but I think they could stay in the game pretty healthy.
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  Speaker 3: On the Saint side, then I think you can go
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  Speaker 3: to Kamara there and just get overweight if you like him.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm comfortable with that.
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  Speaker 3: There's no Taysom Hill, so there's some thought process there
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  Speaker 3: on you have less vulturism if you will, that you
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  Speaker 3: have to worry about. So maybe that's the thing. And
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  Speaker 3: then on the other side, it's like Mahomes spreads it
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  Speaker 3: out more than anything, and some people think he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be bad without Rice, and that's possible. He's actually
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  Speaker 3: been worse last season and even this season. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's like six touchdowns five interceptions. But the takeaway is
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  Speaker 3: that also makes him spread it out more. Most likely
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  Speaker 3: when Rice was here, it was even more condensed. Now
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  Speaker 3: he's gone, there's lots of other options, and to your
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  Speaker 3: point title, you can get different with the other guys there.
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  Speaker 1: These pass defenses have both been able to be thrown on.
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  Speaker 3: So I definitely have interest in the three Saints, Mahomes, Kelsey,
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  Speaker 3: and then Worthy probably is the other guy that fits
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  Speaker 3: in if I'm picking my top six right now.
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  Speaker 1: Hoop extra thoughts from you on Captain.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much agree with you guys on the Saint side,
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I just I don't want anyone
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  Speaker 2: outside of like the core three that you guys mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: like Kamara, Lave, Shaheed. The one that definitely stands out
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  Speaker 2: is Shaheed, like clearly last year is more of like
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  Speaker 2: a gadgety type player and you know, just a couple
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  Speaker 2: of bombs here and there, but man, they're making a
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  Speaker 2: concerted effort to get him involved in the games. Coming
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  Speaker 2: off an eleven target game, and he's getting these these
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  Speaker 2: rush attempts too. He had two rush attempts for fourteen
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  Speaker 2: yards and then two games ago he had three for thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: They use him on the end around thing, so like
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  Speaker 2: not only does he get the bomb targets, but he
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  Speaker 2: gets he's getting like some of the shorter stuff as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he's definitely interesting. And in terms of
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  Speaker 2: you know which Saints guy that I'm probably most overweight
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  Speaker 2: on in the captaint, it's probably him. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little difficult to get way way
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  Speaker 2: overweight on Kamara regardless of how much do you like him,
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  Speaker 2: because the ownership is there. He's probably the highest time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably twenty between twenty and twenty five percent, and
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  Speaker 2: then he is also the most expensive eleven four. Now
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  Speaker 2: you know he can definitely make it work if you want.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm probably with title on that. I'm probably
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  Speaker 2: just gonna be around the field most likely haven't built
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  Speaker 2: my teams, will be doing that after, but probably mostly
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  Speaker 2: around the field on a guy like Kamara. But the
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  Speaker 2: Shahed thing definitely stands out to me and you look
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  Speaker 2: at it. He's priced right by uh Travis Kelcey, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people build their teams they put captain
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  Speaker 2: in first, but we know Kelsey's gonna have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ownership up there. Like going to Shahed, I think
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  Speaker 2: makes it makes a lot of sense. Their price difference
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  Speaker 2: isn't isn't all that much so in on those three
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  Speaker 2: in on the Mahomes. I just don't think I'm gonna
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: get all that crazy at captain today, to be honest,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: just looking at this, it's just going to be like
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: the core guys. I think that's all right on a
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: sl like this because there's so many other playable guys
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: where you're gonna be able to get different. We're gonna
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: have so many Chiefs pass catchers that we can look at.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be using three running backs probably today as well,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: so three different running there. There's just so many different options.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: You have multiple tight ends in play for the Saints
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: as well with Taysom Hill out, so there's a lot
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: of different ways to go in Flox. I just don't
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be getting cute in the Captain spot.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that breakdown.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a second there just to break something
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: else down because you know, we didn't hit the likes
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: and the engagement yesterday on the show, so people missed
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: out on the stone. But the stone has the report
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: cards on it. We just reviewed this on the show earlier.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: We talked about the Ravens being an f against the
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: pass and the guys that we had highlighted on the
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Stone there was only three for the Bengals. They were
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins. No surprise the
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: run dye against them, Like if you played Henry, those
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: lineups still found their way to the top in many
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: places because you still got to fit the other pieces
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: around it. And the Stone showing some report cards today
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: that lean into a lot of what we just talked
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: about at Captain. And there is a new promo so
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna let people know about it now. It's using
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: code NHL fifteen to celebrate NHL coming back tomorrow.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: But just want to talk to you quick about this.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: You do get fifteen percent off any membership, and we
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: hit we highlighted that it's all access, ship demizer plans weekly,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: up to annual. Whatever you decide you want to get
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: in on, you can lock in fifteen percent off. And
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: the key with that is that if you play nobody
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: really just plays NHL. I don't know anybody who just
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: plays nhldfs. They probably play a second sport. All access
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: is sixty nine dollars. You get it down to fifty nine.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It's less than two bucks a day to sign up.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: You'll have access to the stone for all the sports
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: we're coming with NHL Stone.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: We've got one coming for NBA just around the corner.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: The only thing we don't have is shipdemizer for NHL yet.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Now when that comes into play, you can upgrade at
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: that time and get it added on. But just want
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: to note that that's certainly something that we're going to
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: be working on. So take that sixty nine dollars down
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: to fifty nine, or just use it on a weekly
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: plan and lock in the cheaper weekly rate.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But hoop. Another thing with.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: That is, I do see some rough pass defenses here
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: on the Stone. I know we're not pulling it up
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: on the Showdown slate, but just in general, there is
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: a you know, an opportunity for a lave Shaheed Worthy
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: if you can trust one, a ju or Watson or
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: something on that side. Definitely looks like we could see that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: You didn't really talk about it, But how do you
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: see the total playing out here?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: The chat really liked the Vegas total. They had twenty
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: three to twenty a bunch and then some people had
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the big thirty to twenty type game.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Also, I do have the dry run
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: ready to go. Too, so I can share that if
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you want to get into that now or or wait,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what you think the total is
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: First, Yeah, So I again, as I said, I think
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: it can. The Chiefs want to win ugly games. I mean,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I think forty three is probably pretty good number. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: just don't see this being a shootout sort of game,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: so like forty three or I guess I would take
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the under. If I had to put money on this game,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I would take the under just because I know that's
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the sort of game that the Chiefs want to play.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: They're the better team, they likely are able to dictate
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the direction it goes, so I would I would personally
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: be taking the under if I was gonna better. No,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not betting the over under on this game, but
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: if I was, it would go to the under.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's interesting and that's why I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: asked it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: And then we'll go to the dry run just because
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: like that's the other thing about these types of games.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: With the players that we have at hand here, you
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: could set up some pretty good lineups where it's doesn't
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: matter if it's a high scoring or a low scoring game.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: You just get there on the PPR points alone. You know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: you get a couple guys in there, like Camara, you
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: get Travis Kelce if you think he's gonna rack up
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the catches, a kicker or two in there, like, you
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: could start filling out your lineup pretty quickly and just
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: land wherever your captain lands. And if you think it's
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: a low scoring game, it can hit or that could
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: be how they get there in the higher scoring game.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: So I like that about these two teams as well.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: So I said earlier, I do like this slate title.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Did you have anything else to add before Hoop? Before
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Hoop goes into the dry run here?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna mention it for the NHL.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: If you like baseball, it's like, it's just like baseball.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: It's certain, it's about stacking certain lines.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Power play, there's a very clear roster, construction formats.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: You have great content over here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: So a sport many don't play, but hey, the niche sports,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: if you really grind it and get in the weeds.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: That can be the most profitable one. So shout out
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Maids in there. He's ready.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean's ready to the other thing too.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: You said, like about that just real quick and hope
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: you can go through it. But just the education course
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: is going to come soon. Nids and myself are going
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to record it so the people will have a better
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: idea pop it into it there for that and then
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: also just in general, like you said, being able to
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: stack it up, we're going to really save you time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: The stone is going to have the line matching on it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It's going to have the projections, the ownership, everything you
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: kind of need, even if you are just handbuilding and
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: building out a few lineups.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow. Three game slate fifty k up top you very
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: easy to put your stuff together. That'll be live before
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the slate starts to move.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Five bucks too. Five bucks in that contest thirty one
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: thousand people.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: It's actually I mean it's all top heavy, but hey
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: throw ten bucks in there and you have a chance
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: at fifty go ahead.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So I've got the drive run up
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: here and pretty much what we expected. Three primary captains.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: We've got Mahomes, we have Kamara, and we have Kelsey
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: twenty five sixteen percent, so they're taking up all but oh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know about twenty five percent. So the seventy
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: five percent basically going to those three, which is pretty
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: much what we expected. So this is kind of on point.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I do think Kelsey Kamara end up getting more ownership
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: than Patrick mahomes, but our dry run has thirty percent
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of homes twenty six Kamara, Kelsey at sixteen. And then
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we got Juju Worthy, Shahed and A Lave, And I
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I do think down here seeing Shahied and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: O Lave coming in a lower home without changing anything
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: probably is true, Like these guys are going to be
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, five six, seven percent most likely, Like
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I just think that's that's what's going to happen. So
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Shaheed for sure definitely stands out is a solid option
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: for me. Now let's go to the flex and see
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: if we're just getting Again I talked about all the time,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the main thing I do when I do these dry
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: runs is go to the flex and is there like
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: just some random two hundred dollars guy that I'm getting
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a shit ton of exposure to. Because if that's the case,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I want to cap it. And then these captive numbers
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: could be a little bit flawed, not necessarily seeing that
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: because Juju is definitely playable today He's twenty eight hundred.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He has a very solid projection. He's shown up in
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: seventy percent of lineups. Like, am I going to play
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Juju in seventy percent of lineups? The answer to that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: question is no, I'm not going to play him in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: seventy But you know we could go ahead and what
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I do here if you are going to start building
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: off this capits I only want forty percent. And then
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: when you go to rerun it, and the most you'll
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: get is is forty percent. We have shown my Homes,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Kelsey Kamara, Shaheed Juwan, Johnson, Worthy, Watson, car A Lave.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So it's all the guys that you kind of want alongside,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you know, some of these other players. So nothing crazy
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in the dry run, like I would go and do
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this run it again, and then probably some of these
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: cheaper captains show up a little more often because we're eliminating,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you know, twenty percent of lineups with a twenty eight
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars guy that shows up pretty good. But everything
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: checks out as in line and again probably pretty much
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: what we expec and what we talked about in the opening,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: where these three guys Kelsey, Kamara Mahomes are going to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: get a big chunk of the ownership. And you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: based off my rough math, looks like right around seventy
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: five percent of our lineups have one of those three,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: which means everyone else on the slate is going to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: come in with low ownership at the captain position. So
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: this just kind of verifies our initial beliefs, I would say.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Also, I will add, like again, if you have the stone,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you get to see this very easily. But just to
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: note it, we've got those three captain options coming in
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: over fifty fifty five percent of the time optimal. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: this the ship deviser is just lining up and giving
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: us overweight stances on what we expect to be the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: optimal options. Anyway, But like Hoop said, if you just
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: want to get in around the field or slightly over,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you can get unique with those versions of those captains,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and then you just end up getting more Olave, more.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Shaheed, more worthy, and you could call it a day.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Even if you want to have a smaller pool today,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: that's like six captains that you could use and feel
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: pretty good about your spot. And then maybe you want
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to add in one of Kareem Hunt or something like that,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and you seven captains and come in a little bit
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: less than the other guys up top, and still spread
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it out that way. But title anything to add with
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the dry run there that you saw.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's just really good to do it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I like a hoop does it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: And then like you said when he had eighty percent
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: juju or whatever, I don't want eighty percent juju either.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: That's with that min max stuff right there, like, oh,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: it's only given me five percent tomorrow, Captain, I know
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I want twenty percent. Bump that to twenty percent. Like
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: an optimizer is a tool, the ship demizer is a tool.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: You tell it what to do. If you don't know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: you don't want, you want to leave at least two
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: hundred salary. You can have salary constraints, ownership constraints. So
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: but I do like the dry run eighty percent juju
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: little too much for me. Like Coop said that the
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: min max something is or min max column is something
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: I use a lot.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did make that adjustment and reran it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So I capped Juju at forty. He's projected ownership is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: twenty if you really like him, like I think forty
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is probably a pretty fair number. What did that do
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to our captains just kind of shuffle them around a
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: little bit, so now it's more of my homes instead
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of Kamara and Kelsey kind of remain the same, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: we're still looking at, uh, you know, seventy to seventy
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: five percent of our teams with Mahomes, Kamara, Kelsey captains,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: which again is what we kind of anticipated in the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: opening when we broke it all down.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: And remember this is this is a dry run, so
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: there's no randomness on it. When you build a tournaments,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: there's going to be randomness on it a little bit,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: so you won't see usually eighty percent juge or whatever.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: So yeahah, and I was just going to say, too,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: you can also be who's just not doing it right now.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But he can easily go in and cap those captains,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and he says, there's no way I want forty percent homes.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Let me just put twenty five on them. Put twenty
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: five on all those three or twenty on the other two,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: and you'll start to get more of the secondary options
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: where you'll actually end up overweight on them. And that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: just another thing what makes this tool, you know, ship
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to misers, just much easier to help you build these
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: lineups out, even if you're only building three to five.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: You build off this, look at some of the lineups
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: and then consider some of the other factors, the ownership
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: to the projection guys on certain percentage owned, all those
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: caps that you see in there, and that you can
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: look at what happened there.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Hoop.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we capped those ones, and then it just
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: gets spread out a ton really when when you rerun it,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: which I did, so Mahomes is capped at twenty five,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Kamara twenty, Kelsey twenty, and then it just spreads out
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: basically everyone else. Seven for Juju, five for Worthy, five
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: for Car, four for a Lave, four for Shaheed, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: then you start to get down to some of these
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: scrubs p Ryan Harrison Bucker gets a little bit. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: it really just starts spreading it out. You know, no
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: one else really emerges to the top as like the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: fourth guy. It just spreads it out amongst everyone else,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and everything kind of looks in line over here in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the flex as well. So yeah, somewhat interesting. It's fun
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to play around with, so.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It's always good to see it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I mean this question, Josh, you've been here, you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: with us supporting a long time, so I appreciate it,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: but nobody knows the answer to that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: You'll know when the slate's over.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That's the whole point, right, There's no way to say, well,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: if he gets thirty, you'll definitely need him.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: You could have said that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yesterday about you know, Burrow and then Chase says the
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: massive game and it's Chased, it's up top instead or whatever.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: If that had been a showdown slate, you just don't
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: know until things. Oh people would have thought Higgins would
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: have been needed, until he wasn't needed behind Burrow and Chase, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you just won't know that. And if you people say, oh,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: but you'll only get twenty and then you don't need, well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: then just don't build with him. It's how you think
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: it's gonna look and how you think it's gonna go
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: is most certainly the way to do that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: There, So just one answer to that question, I.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Will say to Ricky's point here, and I just added
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: it over to my slate plan so I don't forget
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: about it after. But one thing about kareem Hunt today,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: if you get a feeling that's how it could go
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: pretty good leverage to Mahomes on his own team, because
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: probably steal the passing touchdowns by running it in and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: then also opposite side of Kamara, who's also going to
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: be popular up top, he's in the opposite side of
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the script. He is the home favorite all of that,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and we're currently showing him at like.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Four or five percent.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's because people are scared of p Ryan
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: or some of the other stuff that's going on there,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: But I still think it will be Kareem Hunt myself too,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and I like that a guy like p Ryan, you're
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: taking a risk, but you also get the what we
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: call paying up for probability.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You're you're you know, guys like him worthy at nine thousand,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: maybe even some people with Heed.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know, not as much people like Shid, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: at least in Captain that'll keep Shaheed down at twelve k.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: But where you're paying up for the probability is you're
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: paying up to a number that doesn't feel safe or comfortable,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: therefore you end up getting them at lower ownership title.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Any extra thoughts on that, But I think the Hunt
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: one is kind of interesting up top before we go
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: in position by position.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm wondering, like I feel like everyone thinks and
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I agree that it is going to be Kareem Hunt,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: like Carson Steele fumble p Ryan feels like a third
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: down back, two minute back. Hunt knows the offense like
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: he played well, so everything points there. But if, like
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I think he could get steam, I guess is what
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to say, Like seven point four k starting
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: running back for the Chief, solid touchdown prop and in
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: larger field stuff, and I feel like this is exactly
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Tamba on both sides, Like you always play these dusty guys,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: but they're gonna be on the field. Jamal Williams, Carson Steel,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: p Ryan. It feels really gross to handbuild any of them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: If I'm playing five teams or less, maybe I don't.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: But in the largest field stuff the flag ship to
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: win all the money, it feels like that's all the leverage.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Like if Kamara doesn't get there, maybe Jamal runs one in.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: There's no Taysom Hill, he has a better chance that way,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: or maybe Carson Steele, like Andy Reid, who knows when
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: it's not Pachecko, When it's like the Clydes of the world,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: when they've had their starting running back out, they went
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: by committee, rode the hot hand before and man p
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Ryan way overpriced. It feels like for six to four,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Bucker right below, Groupie right below, and then Carson Steel
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: at four to four feels a little overpriced too, with
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Watson Juju the defensive kickers there. So I mean I'll
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: probably be Underway Kamara, their off offensive lines banged up.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: He's really expensive. I'll go the other spend ups more so.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean I'm fading Kamara, but I'm gonna go back
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: to you on this, Like, are you playing the p
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Ryan steals to leverage off Hunt? I think does catch
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: team as everyone thinks he's the running back one seems
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: like it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think he's a better captain player.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Like if Kareem Hunt gets there, it's beverage on Kamara
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: and Mahomes popular lineups. Just no way, it's closed. That's why,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: like Rance's comment, appreciate you in the chat. It's all good,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: but like again, no one knows to your point. That's
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: why we love this game. That's why there's still an
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: edge to this game. But you can build accordingly. That's
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the whole point. If you're building with Kareem Hunt and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the captain, you're probably not playing p Ryan in the flex.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: You're saying it was a Kareem Hunt game. He got there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: That solves that problem. But to title's point, if in
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the flex, I land on p Ran instead of Hunt,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: well that's naturally going to bring me in at lower ownership.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Leave a thousand bucks on the table. Maybe it's him
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and not Hunt. He gets all the dump offs, all
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: that thing. Like it could be anything along those lines.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm definitely using those guys, not in Captain,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: but in Flex for sure. Jamal Williams, you can play
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: some of these guys two together, Like you know, the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Chiefs can use a lot of will they go in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: between eleven and twelve personnel, So if you play Kelsey
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and Gray, you can play him together.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Like there, it's a combo pack.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Eighty six hundred is expensive, you say, Or like maybe
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: it's somewhat expensive for Kelsey, but no, Ray is only
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: twenty six hundred. So again, build accordingly, like you said, yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: maybe you have a trailing game script that makes sense too.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: So everything you do in fantasy sports is gonna be
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: a guess because nobody knows the answer till it happens.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: But you it's about strategy and process and building accordingly,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and then building your portfolio how you want to build it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I build some safety into it, meaning I know they're
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: gonna dupe up a little bit more, but they just
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: look too good to pass up. With projection gamescript everything
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I want. And then I got a nice chunk of
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: my portfolio that's pretty unique and could be in a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: four way chop or a solo ship or something like that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That's just how I build. So you have to have
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: a process, you have to have a way to build
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: like that. That's just what it's all about. And if
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: you go to ship a nation dot com free on
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the front page right now, send me less than one
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: you just put in your email. We talk all about
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: that in the five day free email education course. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: who I'll kick it over to you. Anything else you
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: want to add? If not, let's go into quarterback running back.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: You can start taking us into the positions. Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, just want to touch on the cream Hunt conversation
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: because I think it's very interesting. You know, I talked
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: about it how I think this could be a nasty
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: game and the Chiefs want to win these nasty games. Well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: who's the guy that benefits the most from like a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: nasty grinded out game. I think it's cream Hunt, Like
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: he got the majority of the work last time out,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: sixteen touches compared to steals like three touches, and we
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: know what p run is going to be at this point,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: so I'm not worried about them grinding out a nasty
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: game with p Ryan as the running back. So I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: think the Kareem Hunt stuff is very interesting. And he's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: really no matter where you look, like, he's not projecting
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: with like a crazy crazy high number by like, by
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: like any means, So I don't imagine people are going
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to be on him at a high rate, especially in
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the captain So I think it is I think it
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: is very very interesting. What's the number? I just wanted
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to pull it up so I don't have it in
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: front of me. What do you have the projection number
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for Kareem Hunt by chance, like right in front of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Him'm trying to put yeah, exactly, So that's a you know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that's a number that if you don't force it in,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get them in the captain spot.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So I do think that is an interesting way to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: go about this, especially if you're buying into the game
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: script like I am and sounds like you guys are
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: as well, where you could see case just winning like
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a nasty, ugly sort of game.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: But again I will say because I agree with you,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: but high Low, it really doesn't matter. The point is
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the other leverage that you're getting. That's the whole point
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: of showdown in the script. What would hurt Patrick Mahomes,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: who's going to be popular up top and would also
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: probably could hurt Kamara. Now he could just start getting
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: dump offs when they're up, But just say, if Kareem
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Hunt gets in, he's six thousand dollars less than Kamara.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: So you could say that it's because Kareem Hunt scores
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns. You could use them without Mahomes and then
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: put Kamara into the flex and still have more money
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: to spend, but have a captain that actually projects quite
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: conservatively who just because we also have projection going to
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: p Ryan and Steele since we don't know. So to
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: your point, if you agree with that, you just boost him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: You end up getting him in the spot. And it
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: kind of makes perfect sense. I like that breakdown that
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: you just did. That makes a lot of sense for this.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly so in terms of the quarterback not much
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: more to add, Like, I'm good with Mahomes, Captain, I'm
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: good with Mahomes flex. The talking point behind Mahomes is
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: very solid, you know with Rashi Rice has been his guy,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like has been absolutely been his guy. Rashi Rice is out.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Like you get back to the mentality, the game theory
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: strategy that you've broken down. You know a few of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: these showdowns sites where you want these quarterbacks up top
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that are willing to spread it out. And certainly that's
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the case tonight with Patrick Mahomes. If he has a
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: good passing game, it could go to five six different guys,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: like legitimately, there's so many when we talk about wide receiver,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you'll see so many of these guys have a decent
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: enough projection to consider them. So fine with him up top,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: fine with him in the flux, And I'm actually glad
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: that they put him at like eleven K. We've seen
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: these quarterbacks, non running quarterbacks like him get priced way down.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that he's eleven K. I'm glad that Kamara's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: eleven four. Derek Carr fine flex option. You know, I'm
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: excited to get him in there. Like no, but like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks have such an advantage. They get to touch the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: ball basically every single offensive play. So I'm fine fine
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: with him in the flex, not going to play him
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and the captain talked about the running backs a lot.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Camara definitely. You know, Kamara can can be successful fantasy
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: wise in just about any sort of game script where
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the Saints win by three touchdowns, where the Saints lose
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: by three touchdowns, and everything in between. Kamara can have
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: big monster games. He's had a ton of monster I
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: mean not just like thirty Fantasy point game. This guy's
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: had multiple, like forty to fifty Fantasy point games over
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the course of the last couple of seasons. Need him
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: in the mix in all fourmats just talked about the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: cream hunting. I think he's a phenomenal play if the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Chiefs has success, if the Chiefs are playing with the lead,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I think he has a direct path to not only
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: have success, but to be the highest scoring Chiefs player
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: on the slate seven to four. He's his projections moderate
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: all around the industry. So I don't think it's going
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to be a situation where we see a bunch of
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: steam going to cream hunt like. I just don't think
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that's going to be the case. I think it remains
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: in check, and I think he's a really good play.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Peter Ran at six y four. I actually don't love
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that all that much because I'm playing this game script
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: where I think the Chiefs win but want to win ugly,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and to me, Peter Run doesn't really fit into that,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and like sixty four hundred for him just feels gross.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Carson Steele, you know, maybe I just think it might
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: be hunt, to be honest with you, and that's why
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just not going to be as excited with guys
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: like Steel and p Ryan because Steele still has a price.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: It's not like we're talking like a two thousand dollars
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: running back. Like he's forty four hundred. He's got to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: now compete with some of these wide receivers that I like.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: That we'll talk about it in a minute. He's got
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to kind of compete with the Kickers, who you guys know,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I love my Kickers, and he's got to do something
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: at forty four. So not thrilled with that. Jamal Williams
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: touchdown or bust type play. I mean, he's got to
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: get in the box really to pay it off, probably
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: have some.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Over Hayward last night too, though the chat was just
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: baffled the fact that like a guy like him gets
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a touchdown and still isn't needed.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch a second of the game. It was
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: just too late with the super delay, East Coast heavy
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: all that. But I mean, like that happens all the time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I think, forget again, it's all the how the rest
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: of the game goes.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Same answer, Yeah, I agree. I mean I'm with you
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: on that. I mean, you gotta gotta probably sometimes do
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: more than that, more than just score the touchdown. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: really this position, if I I'll have some of the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: other guys, don't get me wrong, but if I had
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: just Kamara and Hunt at a high level, I'd feel
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: pretty good. Like I just don't love these other pieces,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to be honest with.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You, Yeah, this is the The next question was how
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: many flags did the Chiefs get tonight.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: That's always a question in a primetime game, but doesn't
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: really affect as much for showdown, just having some fun
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: The other thing though, to your point, like that was
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: kind of like Mike's question earlier, or sorry, Josh's question earlier,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Like he mentioned the note taste something I love that call.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But when he asked earlier about like what number do
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you not need him?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: If people told people last night that Hayward gets in
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the box, everyone's slamming them in because like, I got
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: a value play that's getting a touchdown.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm set.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You got to think about the slate at hand. Who's
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: thinking about it that it could be an ugly game.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: That's how he's going to build some of his lineups,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: at least you know other people. I think our guy
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Kenny was in the chat earlier. He's playing in the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: highest stakes and he was saying, I don't know if
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I'll be able.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: To find it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I just think the Chiefs will struggle more than Vegas
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: does and the Saints dam bad. Do you think that
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: built towards that? And I know you will, I'm saying
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: for others watching it, certainly a lot.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Of those questions are all slate dependent. I mean the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: most recent example, look at the Tampa Bay Atlanta game.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: If you had a random dude that fell in the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: end zone at seven Fantasy points at the end of
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the slate, he was unneeded, like the minimum score and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: optimal was what like fifteen from one of the kickers
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: or somewhere in that range. Like if you get a
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: high scoring shootout sort of game, like you need you
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: need more than just one touchdown.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what I'm trying to say.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: When you're however you see it playing out, or if
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: you're like me and want to building sets for a
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: couple of different ways, you could see.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It playing out. That's what I would do. Title let
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you be quiet there for a little bit on this stuff.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I'll let you hop in man your thoughts on any
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: of the things we're talking about and running back position
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: moving on.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought we weren't running back when you threw
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: it to me first, so I kind of threw it
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: to you on like I'll be playing the pe Ryans
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: the Carson Steels as pivots in the largest field stuff
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: because like you said, if p Ryan, I would scores
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: kareem hunt you leave the one k and then there's
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: even more than one k plus on the table, Like
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: that's when you're talking four way chop instead of forty
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: way chop and things like that. And but I'm with hoop,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: like I can see like if you just if you're playing,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: if I'm playing five teams, I probably am not playing
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Jamal Williams, Carson Steel or Set or p Ryan because
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: I am in agreement thinking, I know what Andy Reid's
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: gonna do is Kareem Hunt because that is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: What they did last week. But when two, but I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: also think that they will get steam, Like I think
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Kaream Hunt could be like six seven percent a captain
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: thirty five percent in the flex that is kind of
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: a lot when you're talking to third of the ownership
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: for the other guys.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: So and also I'll throw it back on this because
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I gave talked about my running back thoughts already.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I think I'd rather played those guys.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: And when we get to receiver, the Cedric Wilson's of
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: the world, the.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Sky Moore's of the world.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: What about you, Tampa, would you rather play sky Moore,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Cedric Wilson or would you rather play p Ryan, Carson
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Steel or Jamal Williams.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I've got Cedric Wilson even played football, so I don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: think I'll have any of him, but I would play
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: sky Moore. Again, we got to know more to get
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: to that situation though, So you know that's like, well.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Like we won't know before the game. Probably, Like I'm
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: assuming Nicole plays and all that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I know he practiced on Saturday, but there was a
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: lot of talks even like I said, I saw earlier
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: today on Next about other guys that were moved up
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to the first first squad and playing and practicing with them.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: So we'll have to see. But I just these other guys,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just not as interested in. I think it's gonna
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: be what Hoop said earlier and what I said, Will
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: some of these guys slip in, probably, But when you've
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: got Derek Carr, Kamara, Jamal Willie at least has a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: real chance. Olave Shaheed, Juwan Johnson, Mahomes hunt Worthy, Juju Watson,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I mean one touchdown falling in the box.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Ain't doing it tonight in my world, small low score
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: or high score. I see it on you guys.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just realized last week Peterron scored a touchdown.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. So Peterron scored a touchdown. Seven
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Fantasy points from a past catching running back. Supposedly he
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: got seven and scored a touchdown. Like that's not encouraging. Okay,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: different game, anything could happen, but like that's like if
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: he does that tonight. That's probably not good enough and.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It'll be very small amounts for the builds that I'm
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: getting super unique in title like we you.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Can go to wide receiver by the way after this,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: which is say it like those guys will fit in,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: but like I'd much rather have Juwan Johnson, a guy
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that I think will too. I think what's that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I think the field will too? Is the thing there?
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Like I agree with you, I.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Think Jan sub twenty percent. I just people are looking
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: for this one percent Hipton good luck, Like it's so
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: unlikely that that's ever going to be on the winning lineup.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And if it is, great, But I can just play
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: a twenty percent or eighteen percent Juwan Johnson and leave
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: money on the table, have a different captain, leave out
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: other pieces, build it unique. Like again, it's not that
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: he's going to be unique. I'm saying I would rather
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: for the cheap guys. You need six guys that break
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: ten points on this slate and these, you know, one
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: guy getting a seven point touchdown probably doesn't happen. That's
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: how I'm seeing the slate right now. So the ownership
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't really matter when you need the highest scoring lineup
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the ownership matters to get leverage and find your way
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to the top.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I just don't think I'll have as much of those guys.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: To answer your original question.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the last points that you
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: said is the most important of You don't think seven
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: points can be on the winner there, and then you
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have to like you built that way because Sterling Shepherd team,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: even in that Tampa Atlanta game that went absolutely nuclear,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Sterling Shepherd's eight points was on the winner for the
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: longest time until the kickers actually did get there and
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: was like, I mean it shipped in single entry stuff,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: that Mooney Shepherd team that just jammed in both quarterbacks
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Mike Evans because it was.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: The row points up top when it got you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: So and the reason I brought all this up is
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: because receiver like I don't want to play Cedric Wilson,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: I don't want to play sky more like those guys
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: might hardly.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Step on the field. Some of the best DFS players
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: in the world that one fifty the biggest contest will
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: be playing those guys because if they do anything, that
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: is how you get unique shippers. I think it's pretty
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: easy though, if you're playing fifty teams or less like
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: me Olave I love. I like Shaheed. I'll play him some.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Mason Tipton, though he looks like the wide receiver three
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: right now at one K, he'll be low owned. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: like him more than Cedric Wilson, so I'll play him
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: five percent. You're gonna be with the field g side.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: There's Worthy, there's Juju now working in the slot taking
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Rice's role, Watson hardman. I think Worthy's price tag if
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: keeps his ownership moderate, for sure, I'll be playing in
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: both captain and flex. Justin Watson feels like Juju's not
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: good at all, so I'm gonna say Justin Watson over Juju.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, Juju will be
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: running slot routes with Patrick Mahomes and I guess circling
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: all the way back. The more I talk about the slate,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: the more I do like Mahomes captain for the fact
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: that there's a million ways you can play it with
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: him and you can get unique that way. So yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: probably just those six receivers and then Tipton would be seven.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you can talk me into some Tipton as
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the three because I don't like Wilson and the other stuff.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But like I said, even if I get five percent,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be very strategic how it's used. Like it's
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: just gonna be plugged in. It's to make a lineup
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: that's chalky unique. If you get five percent on one fifty,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you're getting a few different combinations, maybe a couple different captains,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: whatever it might be. At least you had a chance
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: if it falls in there. And I mean that's how
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: it's gonna build on the MME stuff. But most playing
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: a single line up, you don't need to go like
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: you're just building for what you want. So if you're
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: playing to win, I still don't think that's part of
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the conversation. But Hoop, I'll get your thoughts on. I mean,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: as far as the last quick comment though, the like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that's why the Mahomes captain makes so much sense.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: We don't use him on a main slate because he.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Spreads it too much and it's hard to figure out
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: on a one game slate and a guy that spreads
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: it more than anybody else, that's why he's getting the ownership.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Like he's clearly going to be solid.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the pass catchers, I mean, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: talked about the Saints stuff like a lave a very
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: solid option. I really like the you know Shahid play,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and then you know tipped in. We'll be in the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: playerpool just a matter of how much I get on.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to like prioritize them, but I'm not
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: going to exclude him, I guess if that makes sense.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: The interesting part of the slate for sure is the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Chiefs pass catchers, because I guess a lot of people
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: just naturally say, all right, well, Worthy is now like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the number one over Rashi Rice. I kind of think
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Worthy benefits more with Rice being in than Rice being out.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: It's not like I just don't envision a game I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: guess there's games Scresch whe this would play it, but
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I just don't envision a game plan where Worthy's going
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to get like ten targets or anything like that. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: think his role remained the same, but now there's more
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: attention on him, so I'll have some. But I'm not
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: very excited about Worthy tonight. The guys I'm very excited
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: about them are Watson and Juju. I think both one
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of these two. Kelsey probably ends up getting the most targets.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Number two I think is probably one of these guys,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: either Watson or Juju, and their price very very cheap.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: They're gonna get some ownership, but it's not like to
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: a crazy number because there's still a lot of question
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: marks and other guys involved. But if I had to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: put money on who, I think it's the second most
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: targets in the Chiefs offense tonight, it's probably either Watson
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: or Juju. Yeah, Juju hasn't looked good, but he has
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: a history with Mahomes, and I think that that does
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: go a long way. You know, a lot of the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: stuff that Rice has done in the field, it's like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: these breakaway plays where Mahomes is out of the pocket
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and he just finds Rice I have a great chemistry.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Like can he rekindle some of that with Juju? I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: think it's possible. So I really like the Watson Juju plays,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and they're not coming in that crazy ownership. I mean
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Watson's probably they're probably both high teens to low twenties essentially,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: somewhere in that range. So really like both of those guys.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And then like the Hardman play, I think great for Mahomes.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Captain stuff sky Moore fine for Mahomes, I'm play them
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: in other lineups as well, but that's primarily where I
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: want to use guys like Hardman and sky Moore. Soon
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: we have to get clarification that Hardman's in. But it
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: did sound like he wasn't gonna play. I mean, it
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: was full practice on Saturday, so I can't imagine he
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be ready to go. So we'll have that hour before.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Like I'm operating under the assumption that he's definitely going
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to be in tonight, but you just need to verify that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I like these secondary pieces for the Chiefs, Watson, Juju, Hardman,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and even some sky Moore. The last two though Hardman Skymore,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think it just better suited. They fit the builds
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit better in Mahomes Captain teams.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that last point you made.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: That's where I'll leave it probably going to tight end
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: because I'll certainly say that's how those guys are going
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: to fit into my builds. Like I said, when it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: strategic how I'm using them, that's what it's gonna be.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: That's how you do the Mahomes stuff. You can triple
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: stack them with like three of his receivers like quadruple stack.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: I should like him with three more and do it
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: that and leave money on the table. There's lots of
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: different ways you can get unique with those Captain teams
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: with Mahomes and you're hoping he has a huge passing
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: game with three hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: they're all spread out. So that's all I have there.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: They hit on it pretty good. I'm not gonna waste
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: time saying the same stuff twice. But the Juwan Johnson
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: thing I want to bring up now that we're going
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: to tight end and I'll start it, is like I
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: wouldn't I'm gonna try to play any lineups that have
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: fifty K with Juwan Johnson, like in the Flex or
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: the Captain, you're just drying dead. That's the point that
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: you know Title is making earlier. It's not like he's
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: gonna be low owned. He's gonna be fourteen to twenty
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: percent somewhere probably in that range.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: He's just way too cheap. But when you go to him.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: At Captain, which we already hit on earlier, but just
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: to say it quickly again is like, that's the problem
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: you just run into. Unless you're leaving like three thousand
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: on the table and getting different that way than sure,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: or maybe Juwan Johnson at captain without Derek Carr. But again,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: for him to get the fifteen points, it's you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: he probably at least has a touchdown in there, so
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: it's tough.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just gets.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: You like a six for eighty and you do get
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: that and it's fourteen's enough. I don't know, but I
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: have a harder time doing anything like that with him.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Foster Row right there at lower ownership. I think he's fine.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna definitely use him, but strategically. And then Kelsey
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: and Gray. The biggest thing about them is just being
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: able to play them both on the same team. You
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: can play Kelsey at captain, Gray and flex and be
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: just fine. They'll actually be time.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I just don't know how it's gonna work with Rice out,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: but I think that Gray was swapping in and out
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: for maybe with either Watson or Juju that he was
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: swapping in and out for on the eleven and twelve sets.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind as well.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: But definitely interested in Kelsey and Gray together even if
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: they're both in flex, want at the captain whatever it
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: might be. I definitely have interest in those two guys.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Title anything else to add for tight enery extra thoughts now, I.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Think, yeah, pretty straightforward and they're definitely good. Point Chiefs
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: will run more twelve personnel stuff and at the end
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: of the day, Noah Gray, he's actually athletic, big tight
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: end that can catch the ball like he can play
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: in those three receiver sets like you said for a
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: Juju or something, so they use them around the red
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: zone and you can easily playing with Kelsey. Kelsey looks
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: like one of the miss most mispriced players on the
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: slate at eighty six hundred with just I mean so
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: much PPR upside on DK without Rice there, Juwan Johnson
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: overtook Foster Moreau for the starting tight end.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: He just seems way too cheap. I agree with your point.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Fifty thousand lineup with Juwan Johnson feels probably negative EV
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: and then Foster Moreau Williams and then Price adjusts it
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: kind of like Carson Steele and p Ryan two just
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: backups that if they fall in the box, have a
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: chance to be on the optimal low ownership.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Steven had a good questionnaire.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: So before I go to hoop on the same thing,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: if you go to the site, anybody, even a non member.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Now you can highlight ship Deemizer, drop down at the top,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: go down to ship Demizer tutori. It just says tutorials
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: under that tab you'll be able to see all the
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: tutorials and there is a group anchor tutorials just like
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: five minutes long just to see how to do that
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and use it. So for members, but even for non members,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: you can go find out how to do that hoop
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: go to you on these tight ends and then if
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: nothing else crazy take us into the kickers and d's.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing, nothing really to add. I mean, i'd say
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: more some of the most mispriced guys. Definitely on the
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: slate Kelsey phenomenal play all formats eighty six. It's funny
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: he goes from like unplayable and I know it's only
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: one game slate so it's a little bit different, but
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: like unplayable to the guy now that everybody wants to play,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and he's a lock for all these targets and receptions.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Just it's crazy how things work, but that is the case.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely gonna get a lot of targets here.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: They don't have any other options. That he looks slow. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Somebody had a good point though earlier, like he always
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: looks slow, so it's nothing new. It just looks maybe
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: even like Sweller.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I guess slow people still score fantasy points. Do you
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: see that Joe Flacco run yesterday?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, that is impressive. Man, when Flaco was done,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: at least it is the old man. He's my age.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: The old man did not look good the end.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: They had a shot justin.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: We brought this up a little bit earlier, but if
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: anybody missed it, this is what we were saying.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: So it seems like this information was before Saturday, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: then Nicole practiced in full on Saturday.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: So we'll see something to keep. We'll have you covered.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: We put the inactives in discord, we cover it, We
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: change all the content if required if there's anything we
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: need to update.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: So we'll have you covered when it comes to that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: But I definitely think that's the way to go there,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: So go ahead, hoop.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, car likes these tight ends, so like
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Juwan Johnson, Monroe, I think, or Moureau both solid options
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: twenty two hundred, eighteen hundred like solid plays. And then
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Noah Gray for sure, like he can he can mix
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: in and you know him and Kelson can be on
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: the field at the same time. Defense and uh and kickers,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Like I think this could be kind of ugly. I
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: probably end up maybe with a little more defense than
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I typically do. And again, it's not going to be
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: a point where I just go go in there and
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: force in some of these defenses. But I'd be more
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: open to to playing defense today than I typically do,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: just because I do think this could be an ugly
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: type game. But I'm not going to be forcing it in.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And then the kickers. I don't really need to speak
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: about the kickers over you guys know I'm always in
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: on them, and I just the people on Twitter like
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: bitching about the kickers being an optimal. It just drives
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: me nuts. Like they've been in the optimal. I don't
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: know what the exact numbers are, but like, they're always
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: good plays. Just because you're telling one game Slate they
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: make one fifty yard field goal, they're more likely than
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: not to be on the field goal. And these kickers
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: nowadays are making the fifty yarders at a much much
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: higher rate. They're just good plays. Like I don't care
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: like they're solid plays. And the people on Twitter bitching
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: about the kickers high ownership being on optimal that's soft man,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: super soft.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree, And also it's the same with the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: quarterback captains, so I keep going in on it because
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they're not price right. Same in the mainsleet. You say
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: what I tell everybody.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I know that Lamar ended up in one, but even
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Lamar at seventy five hundred, is that really correct for
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: the MVP of the league. It's just how they're doing
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: their pricing now. You have to adapt from then when
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: two tight end sets in millionmaker winners. You started to
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: see two tight ends hit again last year when that
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: price wasn't adjusted, when the max price was five K,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: six K whatever it was that they were going to there.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I think was six but maybe a little more. But
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: point being, you have to adjust for the game at hand.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: We're always obsessed with it, we're always paying attention to it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: And he mentioned it again justin that's what I'm saying.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: We've seen it. We already brought it up.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: He mentioned it, but he said during the week, So
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: if that was what he saw last week, it's just saying, well, no,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: when the game time comes, So that's the key. The
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: information will always be out in advance of a single
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: game slate, so we will be able to act. If
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Justin Ross is active and in the mix, you'll want
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: to put him in there and some if me Cole
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Harbin's out and mix him into the bunch. I guess
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: it would get more interesting is if me Cole's active
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: and so is a guy like Justin Ross and they're
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: trying to get him into the mix now with no
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Rice and all of that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But for me, not gonna worry about it until we
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: have to anything. Title. You got to add on Kickers
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and D's tonight.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: No, I like him.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, the offensive line is really banged up on
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: the same side, so I think Chiefs can, especially if
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: they get out to an early lead and make car
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: drop back a lot. I think they have plenty of upside,
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: like we saw with Steelers D yesterday. Saints Ste's just
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: naturally low owned, so there are another Jamal Williams type
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: play to get you different and stuff.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Both Kickers. Yeah, we don't have to talk about Kickers anymore.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: They do the job.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: I do want to bring this up and curious both
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: of your thoughts too. I mean, I think it's definitely viable.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: We've seen Mahomes fourteen last game, like that might not
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: be enough to get on the slave. He can have
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of low at targets to his guys. The
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: wreck of PPR. Kareem falls in the box two or
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: three times. Maybe you just need O Lave and Kamara
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: and stuff. So I think it's viable. But more than
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: more times than not, I have a QB in my
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: in my team, So I want your two thoughts on
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: that as well.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Many same same point that you just made, I agree
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: with you, like I'd be more inclined to do it
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: in a game like this that I could see it
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: being somewhat ugly, but build accordingly, you know, if you're
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: doing that, make sure you're hitting up, you know, like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Kamara Kareem Hunt play plays like that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would also say too, like in It's all
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: how you your ugly game looks to you and whop
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and I have sort of said this back and forth
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: a couple of ways this conversation, but just to note it,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: like an ugly slate could mean you need both quarterbacks
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: because they're twelve to fifteen points could be enough versus
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: the opposite is like again, if it's kind of back
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: and forth, but it's just PPR points being picked up
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: along the way. Kamara could just smash Car and you
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: still have like Olave who caught a couple and for
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Big Yarded Shaheed, same thing. And then on the other
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: side it's Kelsey and Kareem Hunt. So you kind of
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: know exactly how you're building it, you know, with Mahomes's
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: ownership tonight in general, and then even Car thirty ish
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: percent in Flex or whatever he ends up being, you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: thirty thirty five percent in Flex.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's fine. Yeah, I always think it's fine
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to go that way.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: So certainly something that you could do to get a
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: little bit different and the like I said, there's certain
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: guys you can use up top that you don't need
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: to put the quarterback with them as well as a
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: way to get different where it's just they rack up
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: enough points and it's the other guys involved on their team.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you have.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Any anything else to add at all, Hoop, but I
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: think that's going to wrap it up for the DK
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: stuff and then we can get the FanDuel.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah over on FanDuel. Mahomes obviously, I think ends up
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: being the most popular captain. He's sixteen k. Easy to
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: get him in. Quarterbacks have the advantage over there. We
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: always talk about it. I would be more inclined to
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: play a guy like Derek Carr over on FanDuel opposed
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to DK in the MVP spot. Fourteen to five pretty
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: cheap price tag for a quarterback. Alvin Kamara is more
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: expensive than Mahomes over here as well, seventeen thousand, but
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the advantage of a full PPR Kelsey at
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: thirteen k pretty cheap. I'd say a Lave twelve five
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: cheap Shahid ten k. That's cheap. We like him over
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: on DK, definitely like him on FanDuel. Kareem Hunt though
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: at twelve thousand he's up there with the Lave right
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: around Kelsey. I still think he is solid play over
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: on FanDuel at that price tag. I mean, the price
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: is going to keep his ownership in check a little bit.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Kickers defense is always in the same range Justin Watson.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: For some reason, It's ninety five hundred, like that's pretty
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: expensive for Justin Watson, so they kind of bumped him
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: up but Jujus only seven k. Definitely like that play
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Juwan Johnson seventy five hundred, Moreau sixty five hundred are
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: tipt in guys fifty five, sky More sixty five, So
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of cheap options. If Hardman's in there
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: six k, so very similar to DK. Where on these
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Mahomes MVP teams, I'd be more prone to playing guys
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: like sky Moore or Hardman if he's in Noah Gray
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: at that seven k. So yeah, that's that's kind of
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: a quick little rundown of what we have over on
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Vanduel tonight.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: The King FanDuel Shipper, the Chopper.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: But it's not that well yeah, back to back slights.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Let's make it a third.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only way to do it on Vanduel. Title.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Well, we can try to offset some of the DK losses.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: That's what's we gotta do these days. Title.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Any final thoughts from you, any FanDuel thoughts to add
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: just seeing some of those prices.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say, like you said, the Chopper over there,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: if there was a slave to have less doupes than usual,
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: I think today's the one because mahomes will be by
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: far the most popular MVP, but the pass catchers aren't
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: coming along with it, and you can overstack it. You
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: can leave money on the table if it does end
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: up being the Jujus Hardman's of the world, worthies overpriced
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: at eleven K. And then with the bonuses this year,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: the one hundred yard rushing and receiving, I think it
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: makes it even more viable for olaves one hundred and
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: fifty yard two touchdown outlier game to outscore the quarterbacks
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: Shaheed Worthy. Multiple guys that are going to be sub
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: ten percent most five percent MVP spot and we've seen
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: mahomes get fourteen.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I actually think.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: I don't I play enough out or my volume I
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: play is by far enough just to play on DK
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: like I could play a lot like DK has millions
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: of dollars you can fill. I play a lot less
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: than that. I think it's a better format. So I
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: don't play FanDuel, but you handbuilt stuff. There's definitely an
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: edge on FanDuel, and today is a really interesting one.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that well said with the pricing and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, but it's the same reason I like
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the whole site overall, both sites, whatever site you're on.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's definitely the case.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Think you could see it really set up tonight for
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: a unique shipper or something that's really you know, chopped
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: very lightly, especially with all these other options that we
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: went through. I was trying to think a couple of
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: last thing I was gonna say on the defenses, could
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: see a double defense night if it's ugly, Like Hoop said,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: everyone's high on these kickers right now and no more
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: chance to be higher on them when you got Harrison Butker,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: who everybody loves on the chief side, the chiefs builds.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing I was gonna add Chiefs four
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: twos look like by far the most popular chiefs captain
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: and then three other chiefs in the flex with two
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: on the opposite side.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So keep that in mind.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: I know some of the chat earlier was talking about
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: liking the Saints side going up against that certainly think
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: that's interesting. And the last one was going back to
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: the defenses again was Mahomes captain Saints d Definitely something
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: you can the guys that I think the chat mentioned
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: is just a second ago. Five picks very surprising. Yeah,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: last year wasn't that much better? I don't know the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: numbers in front of me anymore. But if you look
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: at last season, it wasn't great. And he still goes
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: on to win the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl MVP,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: but his overall season numbers. He definitely can make some mistakes.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: We've seen other good quarterbacks. Lamar fumbled almost gave away
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: the game yesterday. Josh Allen for the Bills has made
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: a ton of mistakes the last year and a half.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: So it's hard man. These defenses are better than you think.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: They just don't get the credit because we play an
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: offensive game. There's no IDP in our DraftKings, leagues or
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: anything like this, so contest I should say so, just
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: in general, keep that stuff in mind.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Certainly something to look out for.
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