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KAYLEE GONCALVES' FAMILY FIGHTS BACK AS KOHBERGER ROTS IN PRISON · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: From great tragedy and great pain, something is forged, something
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Speaker 1: is created. Tonight, joining us the Gonsalves family, Chris Hansen,
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Speaker 1: and others Tonight they will describe for you what they
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Speaker 1: are doing born out of the tragedy of the brutal
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Speaker 1: quadruple murders in Idaho for beautiful students murdered. How could
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Speaker 1: something good possibly come from that.
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Speaker 2: Good evening?
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Speaker 1: Imancy, Grace, this is crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: So I'm going through some of Kaylee's things and came
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Speaker 3: across the sweatshirt that she was wearing that night, and.
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Speaker 4: In the pocket.
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Speaker 2: Is your grub truck.
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Speaker 4: Number seventy eight, Chicken.
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Speaker 1: How can anything good come of a mother's pain? The
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Speaker 1: pain that Christy Fronsolvice endured and is enduring after the
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Speaker 1: murder of her little girl. What she has to hold
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Speaker 1: onto is her sweatshirt. But amazingly miracular, something wonderful has
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Speaker 1: been born. Joining us tonight, special guests, the Gonsalvest family,
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Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, Indy con Tracy Bacco, and Sydney Sylvanni. Straight
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Speaker 1: out to Christy Gonsalves, I've often wondered how you put
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Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other losing your beautiful
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Speaker 1: girl and then finding out you lost her in horrible,
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Speaker 1: violent tragedy to a monster for no reason. Out of
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Speaker 1: the blue. It was time for Thanksgiving. Everybody's looking forward
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Speaker 1: to Christmas. Tell me about Murder has a Name.
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Speaker 5: Well, Murder has a Name actually started with Tracy Rocco
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Speaker 5: in the beginning of this tragedy. She starts reaching out
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Speaker 5: to us, and it just became more and more frequently,
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Speaker 5: and she has this very distinct writing and I would
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Speaker 5: notice her cards, and I would notice things that she
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Speaker 5: was sending, and everything was just very very heartfelt. And
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Speaker 5: I decided to just start reaching out to her, texting
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Speaker 5: her and whatnot. And she was by my side through
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Speaker 5: you know, the entire case, pretty much to the sentencing.
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Speaker 4: And as soon as the sentencing.
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Speaker 5: Happened and it was over with, she was like, we're
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Speaker 5: starting a foundation. And I was like, there's no way
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Speaker 5: I could do it, and she's like, yes, we can.
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Speaker 5: And every note that I had, Tracy had a yes.
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Speaker 5: Every question I had, Tracy had an answer, and she
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Speaker 5: was just very persistent and very insistent on us remembering Kaylee.
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Speaker 5: She grew to love Kaylee throughout this strategy. She grew
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Speaker 5: to love our family and her family is amazing as well,
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Speaker 5: and have done nothing but has pushed this along and
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Speaker 5: made everything so much easier. And now we have a
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Speaker 5: dream team that I feel and our family feels that
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Speaker 5: we owe it very much to go to to Tracy Rocco.
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Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalvis joining us. Of course, this is Kelley Gonsalves's father,
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Speaker 1: and you have voiced what so many people, millions of
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Speaker 1: people feel and what they want to say throughout this
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Speaker 1: entire ordeal, this odyssey that you and your family have
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Speaker 1: been dragged through thanks to Brian Coburger and a weak prosecutor. Steve,
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Speaker 1: how did you take what happened to Kelly and somehow
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Speaker 1: morph that into murder has a name? And what is
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Speaker 1: murder has a name?
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Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 7: Today you hear people say unliving and they say all
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Speaker 7: these politically correct things, and the reality is my daughter
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Speaker 7: was murdered, and she was murdered while she was in
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Speaker 7: her own bed, and we're not going to shy away
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Speaker 7: from that. We're going to say that. We're just trying
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Speaker 7: to punch and get right to the point. Murder has
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Speaker 7: a name. It's Kaylee Gansolbus, Maddy may you know Ethan Xana.
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Speaker 7: We want we've always wanted to be like a voice
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Speaker 7: of parents if you went through this and like how
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Speaker 7: to respond and be more active than reactive, because there's
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Speaker 7: so many more tools now for parents to play a
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Speaker 7: role in this and you know, change laws and do
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Speaker 7: more than just be a victim. And that's really what
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Speaker 7: this organization is is we're we're extending that invite and
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Speaker 7: helping people go from like victims to actual playing a
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Speaker 7: role as prosecutors. They can go in there and now
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Speaker 7: they can actively pursue whoever did this to them, and
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Speaker 7: that would be that's an amazing reward to give a family.
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Speaker 1: You know, Steve and Christy, you're actually making my chest
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Speaker 1: hurt right now because I remember after my fiance was murdered,
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Speaker 1: I dropped out of school. I didn't know what to do.
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to do anything. I wanted to die,
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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do, but that didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: And the only thing I could come up with to
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Speaker 1: do is to finish school and go to law school
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Speaker 1: to help other crime victims. And it never goes away,
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Speaker 1: the desire to do something, anything to help to make
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Speaker 1: a difference. It never goes away. This idea murder has
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Speaker 1: a name. What do you want to achieve? What can
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Speaker 1: it do? What's the potential of your foundation? What are
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Speaker 1: we looking at?
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Speaker 5: So is what our foundation wants to do is we
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Speaker 5: have made some amazing partnerships with several different labs UH
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Speaker 5: and we are partnering with these these labs that do
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Speaker 5: genetic genealogy forensics. They're cutting edge, their top of the
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Speaker 5: line there there, what's the best of the best. And
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Speaker 5: we have teamed up with them as partners and we
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Speaker 5: are creating an application process for law enforcement to fill
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Speaker 5: out their criteria and as long as it meets these UH,
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Speaker 5: these different labs criteria, they'll send it to us and
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Speaker 5: they choose the lab. We'll say, we're working with these
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Speaker 5: five labs, these these six labs, whatever it may be,
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Speaker 5: and we get their DNA over to those labs and
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Speaker 5: we pay for it to get processed. And because we
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Speaker 5: know so many of these agencies are underfunded and just
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Speaker 5: don't have the costs the means to be able to
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Speaker 5: get these testings done, and sometimes they could be very
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Speaker 5: simple and in forty eight hours they can have an
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Speaker 5: answer to the perpetrator who murdered their child, or who abducted.
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Speaker 4: Their child, or their mom or their dad.
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Speaker 5: And it's just as simple as being not so simple,
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Speaker 5: because it can be quite expensive to be paid for,
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Speaker 5: and we want to step in.
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Speaker 1: Oh Christy, it's really expensive. And not only that, you
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Speaker 1: mentioned the time delay. I remember a case that we
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Speaker 1: were working on. It was a teacher, a very young teacher.
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Speaker 1: Her name was Eliza Fletcher, I think, out of Memphis,
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Speaker 1: with two little children, little little like I think one
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Speaker 1: was in pre k and one was even younger. And
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Speaker 1: she goes out for am for a job because you know,
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Speaker 1: being a mom, you try to work it all in
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Speaker 1: so it doesn't rob time away from you and your children.
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Speaker 1: So she's at at four am. Of course, people said
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Speaker 1: it's her fault because she was out in the dark running.
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Speaker 1: That said, the guy that raped and murdered her, guess
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Speaker 1: what was sitting on the shelf at the crime lab.
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Speaker 2: His DNA in a previous violent rape.
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Speaker 1: Turned out he had a history he had attacked people
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Speaker 1: before in addition to that rape. But had that been
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Speaker 1: analyzed and he prosecuted on that, he would not have
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Speaker 1: been roaming free to murder this young mom, this school
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Speaker 1: teacher Eliza Fletcher. So it's not just the money, it's
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Speaker 1: the timing. The timing. There's a huge backlog and we
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Speaker 1: were talking earlier about the Lover's Lane case that was
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Speaker 1: just cracked after thirty six years, one of the worst
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Speaker 1: murders that goes down in Houston very quickly. To Andy
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Speaker 1: conn joining US Director Victim Services at Crime Stoppers Houston.
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Speaker 1: He is working with the Gonsolvest family with Murder has
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Speaker 1: a Name. I ask you to please go to it.
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Speaker 1: People death to scroll all day long. We'll look at
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Speaker 1: Murder has a Name while you're scrolling and learn what
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Speaker 1: you can do to make a difference in this world.
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Speaker 1: Andy Kahn, I'm telling you the Lover's Lane murder horrible
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Speaker 1: and it sat there for thirty six years and it
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Speaker 1: was just cracked double murder by DNA. This is the
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Speaker 1: case that could have used Murder has a Name.
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Speaker 8: Money, absolutely, and that's what I'm telling families. This foundation
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Speaker 8: is going to be the key to solving so many
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Speaker 8: unsolved cases like the Lover's Lane. And I know, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: you'll probably agree with me. I love working with people
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Speaker 8: like Steve and Christy victims that want to make a difference.
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Speaker 8: I mean, they have obviously been through an emotional, horrible grief,
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Speaker 8: but they want to make things better for others to
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Speaker 8: come along. And I love working with families like that
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Speaker 8: that want to take a negative and turn it into
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Speaker 8: positive action for social change. Murder has a name. All
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Speaker 8: too often, crime victims are reduced to an occupation. We
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Speaker 8: see it all the time in the media. Waiter, murdered, mechanic, murdered,
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Speaker 8: convenience store clerk. They have a name, and they deserve
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Speaker 8: to get justice. And what we're hoping to do is
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Speaker 8: get some of these cases, just like the Lover's Lane
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Speaker 8: murder that sat for decades, get them solved. This is
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Speaker 8: going to give.
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Speaker 1: Talking about the Lover's Lane murder, the victims in that case,
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Speaker 1: Andy and Cheryl, twenty one and twenty two years old.
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Speaker 1: The perp who has just been apprehended all the way
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Speaker 1: out in Lincoln, Nebraska, lay and Low now Houston old,
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Speaker 1: do I have to see him now?
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Speaker 2: Houston is trying to connect.
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Speaker 1: Him with many, many other unsolved rapes and murders. His
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Speaker 1: MO was he was convicted twice on impersonating a police officer,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's what he did that night He
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Speaker 1: went up to Cheryl and Andy on lover's lane.
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Speaker 2: They've been dating a while. They were parked at a
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Speaker 2: cul de sac.
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Speaker 1: He comes up and I think he flashed a fake
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Speaker 1: badge and got them to let their window down.
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Speaker 2: They both ended up.
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Speaker 1: Brutally stabbed dead, their throats slashed, tied to trees.
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Speaker 2: She was raped. It was just just.
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Speaker 1: Horrible and it's sat there. It sat there for thirty
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Speaker 1: six years.
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Speaker 2: With DNA, there was.
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Speaker 1: DNA and speaking of solving cold cases. Joining us right now,
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Speaker 1: Chris Hanson, you know him well or else you've been
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Speaker 1: living under a rock in a cave on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the world.
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Speaker 2: Host of a hit podcast.
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Speaker 1: Have a seat with Chris Hansen, Ambassador to the Gonsoalvest
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Speaker 1: New Foundation. Murder has a name, and he has apprehended
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Speaker 1: more predators than I can count.
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Speaker 2: Chris Hansen, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about why you got on board with the
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Speaker 1: Gonsalvest family.
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Speaker 9: Like you, I've been a crime reporter for four decades
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Speaker 9: and we've exposed hundreds of predators and tried to educate
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Speaker 9: people on criminals and how to avoid being victims. But
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Speaker 9: I'm also a parent, I'm a father and I cannot
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Speaker 9: manage imagine the searing pain that Steve and Christy have
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Speaker 9: gone through over this, and it has haunted me this case.
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Speaker 9: And as you know, in this case, part of what
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Speaker 9: led to the arrest of Brian Koberger was a fingerprint
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Speaker 9: on a snap of a sheath of a knife DNA.
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Speaker 9: And so when Tracy reached out to me to be involved,
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Speaker 9: and she was indefatigable about doing so, I can think
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Speaker 9: of no other organization I would rather lend my name
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Speaker 9: to than one that creates a fund that one that
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Speaker 9: enhances our ability to get some of these cases solved
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Speaker 9: by using DNA. And so I'm all in and I'm
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Speaker 9: going to do whatever I can to help them insolve
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Speaker 9: his family in this organization, murder has a name to
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Speaker 9: get some of these cases solved.
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Speaker 1: When I was talking about the Eliza Fletcher case, how
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Speaker 1: the young mom, the school teacher, was out jogging and
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Speaker 1: the whole time sitting on the shelf at the crime lab,
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Speaker 1: it's not the crime Land's fault. They are going as
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Speaker 1: fast as they can. And every night I read and
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Speaker 1: a live chat programs and people say, well, why aren't
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Speaker 1: you doing the Nancy Guthrie case. Right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, why aren't you doing this?
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Speaker 1: Why I'm going as fast as I can, as fast
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Speaker 1: as I can, and I get it, And I'm glad
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Speaker 1: people want that courage. I'm glad they want to know.
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Speaker 1: But like the people at the crime lab, the scientists,
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Speaker 1: you go as fast as you can't you can't get
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Speaker 1: to it all. You cannot humanly get to it all.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell Hanson and the Gonsalvace and Tracy who's
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Speaker 1: joining us. I remember I had been on trial for
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Speaker 1: oh gosh, the trial lasted, I know, three weeks, and
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Speaker 1: I would take all my evidence out of the courtroom
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Speaker 1: with me at night. I didn't want to leave it anywhere,
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Speaker 1: and I would come straight back to the courtroom in
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Speaker 1: the morning.
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Speaker 2: So I hadn't been in my office for three weeks.
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Speaker 2: I've been in the.
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Speaker 1: Courtroom literally morning tonight I got back to my office.
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Speaker 1: There were so many new files, new cases for me
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Speaker 1: to investigate and prosecute. The records have been delivering them
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Speaker 1: for three weeks, and the stat got bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,
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Speaker 1: until it fell over like an accordion on the table
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Speaker 1: and they were all going over the other side of
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Speaker 1: my desk translation, Murder has a name may make funding
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Speaker 1: possible for cases like Eliza Fletchers and others to be
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Speaker 1: processed sooner to actually save lives. Has that dawned on you, Steve,
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Speaker 1: that you may actually save a life like Eliza Fletcher's
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Speaker 1: by funding DNA, by funding scientists to get the job
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Speaker 1: done before the perk can commit another crime.
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Speaker 7: We're going from victims to actually prosecutors. We're going to
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Speaker 7: take an active role. We're going to help these families.
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Speaker 7: We learned from author them that there was over three
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Speaker 7: hundred cases in Q just waiting for funding. And I,
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Speaker 7: me and Christy've always said, what we how could it
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Speaker 7: be any worse than what we're going through? And we
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Speaker 7: identified when we didn't know who the victim who did this,
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Speaker 7: when we didn't know who that person was, and knowing
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Speaker 7: that there's families out there that have they've been victims
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Speaker 7: like we have.
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Speaker 4: There for years and years and years not knowing.
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Speaker 7: You know, we're like, we got to fix this, and
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Speaker 7: our kids have died, but they didn't die for nothing.
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Speaker 7: And we're going to prove that because now we're going
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Speaker 7: to pull people off the streets. We're going to they
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Speaker 7: picked the wrong families. And we're going to prove that
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Speaker 7: by ripping these criminals off the streets and putting them
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Speaker 7: in cells.
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Speaker 5: I mean, solving one could wind up solving several and
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Speaker 5: preventing others, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, preventing others, you know. I'm Another scary thing about
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Speaker 1: this is the purp and for instance the lover's laying case.
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Speaker 2: He was living life, nobody suspected him.
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Speaker 1: I want to show you a video that it may
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Speaker 1: not intrigue you the way it has me, but it's
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Speaker 1: of Coburger that's SAKA. Watch him because watching this, nobody
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Speaker 1: would suspect he is a killer.
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Speaker 2: Watch this.
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Speaker 10: No, I'm going pretty good.
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Speaker 4: Definitely need to get my license change. Okay, we should
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Speaker 4: be able to know that, all right.
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Speaker 11: No, I mean you have to have it in watching
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Speaker 11: the tape, but you don't have to prove with that.
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Speaker 10: I do need to know the exact mouth.
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Speaker 9: There are a car right now, people, okay, perfect.
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Speaker 11: Okay, So you just have to write that exact mileage
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Speaker 11: all right here with no ten check the box's actual
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Speaker 11: dames date, and then you'll sign and you're free.
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Speaker 10: Direct On the bottom.
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Speaker 1: Line, I can hardly stand to even look at him.
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Speaker 1: But I'm showing it for a demonstrative purpose, and that
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Speaker 1: is you would never know or suspect that he has
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Speaker 1: murdered four innocent people just before he did that. And
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Speaker 1: he carries on this banter with this woman, flirting with her.
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Speaker 1: Many people say, until she brings up the murders, then
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Speaker 1: he goes silent. My point is to Tracy Broco joining
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Speaker 1: US executive director of Murder has a name with over
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Speaker 1: a decade of law enforcement experience under her belt. Many people,
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Speaker 1: if they had looked at him in court and been
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Speaker 1: asked to hand down a guilty verdict, they go, I
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Speaker 1: don't see it. I just don't think he has a motive.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he did it unless but for the DNA.
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Speaker 1: The DNA sealed it, case closed. That's why this is
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Speaker 1: so important. It's thank you for being with us tonight
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Speaker 1: and explain to me how you have allied with the gonsalvices,
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Speaker 1: with Chris Hansen, with Andy Kahn, and what you hope
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Speaker 1: to achieve with murder has a name.
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Speaker 10: Thank you for having me, Nancy. I reached out to
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Speaker 10: Christy and Steve like the rest of us wanted to
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Speaker 10: when all this happened. My heart absolutely broke for them.
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Speaker 10: I have a daughter and a son. My daughter was
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Speaker 10: around the same age as Kayleie and in college around
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Speaker 10: the same time, and I could not fathom as a
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Speaker 10: parent what they were going through, and I felt like
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Speaker 10: I needed to reach out. I wanted them to know
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Speaker 10: that somebody somewhere was thinking about them, and I needed
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Speaker 10: to remind them that of every time I could, because
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Speaker 10: I know that that would change my life if I
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Speaker 10: know that a stranger was thinking about me as much
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Speaker 10: as I was. Then I absolutely fell in love with
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Speaker 10: this family because of Steve's persistent and driven conversation to
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Speaker 10: find out what happened to his daughter. Christy and Steve
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Speaker 10: were not giving up. Olivia's speech was hard hitting into
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Speaker 10: the point she hit him right on, looked right in
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Speaker 10: his eyes, and directed everything at him, which was phenomenal.
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Speaker 10: The family just reeked of strength, and I really felt
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Speaker 10: like I needed to reach out to them. And when
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Speaker 10: all of a sudden, done and I approached Christy about
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Speaker 10: starting a foundation. I don't know anything about it, she
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Speaker 10: didn't know anything about it, but we were one hundred
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Speaker 10: percent willing to learn and move together through this, and
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Speaker 10: I started googling people that were big presence in justice,
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Speaker 10: and of course Chris Hansen came up, and Anti Kin
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Speaker 10: came up, and I thought, you know, what are the
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Speaker 10: chances of me getting to these people? And I thought,
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Speaker 10: you know what all you can do is try And
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Speaker 10: Chris was so kind and reached out right back and
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Speaker 10: the same thing. And it was without hesitation that they
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Speaker 10: both said, I'm in what can I do to help?
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Speaker 10: And it just warmed my hard and basically pushed us
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Speaker 10: to move forward.
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Speaker 1: So many cases have languished while the purp goes on
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Speaker 1: to kill other people, to rape other people. And the
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Speaker 1: seminal case is that Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State killer,
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Speaker 1: who was I might add, a former police officer.
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Speaker 6: My husband had just left for work. I heard the
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Speaker 6: garage door close. My son had gotten in bed with me,
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Speaker 6: my three year old son, so we were snuggling and
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Speaker 6: the next thing I knew there was someone running down
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Speaker 6: the hall with a flashlight and I yelled to my husband,
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Speaker 6: what did you forget? And it wasn't my husband. It
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Speaker 6: was and with a ski mask, holding a flashlight and
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Speaker 6: a large butcher knife. He gagged both both my son
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Speaker 6: and myself. He blindfolded us and he tied us our
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Speaker 6: ankles and our wrists with shoelaces. And then the most
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Speaker 6: frightening part about the whole ordeal was when he moved
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Speaker 6: my son. And then I knew that I had no
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Speaker 6: idea why he was moving him. Of course, where was
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Speaker 6: he taking him? I had no idea. And then when
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Speaker 6: he untied my ankles, then I knew what he was
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Speaker 6: there for. I don't even remember the rape, because all
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Speaker 6: I was concerned with is where did he put my son?
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Speaker 1: Golden State killer Joseph DiAngelo over a decade, including thirteen murders,
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Speaker 1: over fifty rapes, one hundred and twenty burglaries, we know
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Speaker 1: of a total of nearly ninety victims across California. Former
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Speaker 1: police officer Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer, to Sidney
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Speaker 1: Sylvanni Crime Stories investigative reporter. There, he is old, but
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Speaker 1: he murdered so many people, and if he had been
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Speaker 1: stopped by DNA, they would be alive today.
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Speaker 12: Sydney, absolutely, and DNA was the name of this game
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Speaker 12: in this case. Investigators knew that from the very beginning.
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Speaker 12: But yes, DNA ultimately solved that case and could have
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Speaker 12: solved it earlier.
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Speaker 1: Genetic Genealogy caught the Golden State Killer. Genetic genealogy was
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Speaker 1: in place before his last victims lives could have been saved,
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Speaker 1: but Joseph Dangelo, the Golden State Killer, was allowed to
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Speaker 1: continue a rain of terror straight out to Steve and
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Speaker 1: Christy Gonsol. Cases like this must be the type of
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Speaker 1: case you want to target.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: And another partner that we're partnering with is a company
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Speaker 5: called ged Maatch, and so part of our.
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Speaker 4: Mission is to.
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Speaker 5: Try to get as many people to build these trees
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Speaker 5: and put their DNA into these databases as possible because
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Speaker 5: with getting their genetic genealogy, they could also be helping
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Speaker 5: solve crimes. So the more trees that get built, you know,
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Speaker 5: the better it is. And you know, with jed match,
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Speaker 5: it's free. You could have done any of these at
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Speaker 5: home DNA keds on their website. You could go to
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Speaker 5: it for free and upload your DNA results to the
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Speaker 5: to their website from these other companies, and it's free,
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Speaker 5: and they have one of the largest.
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Speaker 4: And it's a forensic tool.
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Speaker 5: And not only that, but they also have several tools
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Speaker 5: that are for the person that is wanting to explore
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Speaker 5: their family history. So they have those free as well.
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Speaker 5: So it's a double you know, it's a double hitter there.
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Speaker 5: They could go in there and they could download their
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Speaker 5: history from these other test kits, and they could also
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Speaker 5: help solve crimes, you know, bye by by discovering their genealogy.
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Speaker 5: So jed match is a great company, and we really
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Speaker 5: want to we really want to force that because it was.
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Speaker 4: One one tree, one family that from what.
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Speaker 5: I understand in standing, got him, uh, the Golden State
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Speaker 5: killer caught. You know, they were just waiting, They're just
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Speaker 5: sitting there, they have it all out there. They're like,
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Speaker 5: we need one more person to help fill in this gap,
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Speaker 5: and they got that gap filled and bam, there their
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Speaker 5: verson was. And you know, so you could help solve
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Speaker 5: crimes bye by doing that.
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Speaker 1: Chris Hans joining us starf have a seat with Chris Hansen,
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Speaker 1: who has stung so many people, caught so many predators.
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Speaker 1: How will this work practically speaking?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think practically speaking, people will have a place
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Speaker 9: to go to get help. You know, we see this
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Speaker 9: all the time, Nancy. There are not resources easily accessible
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Speaker 9: for people whose children have been victimized by predators online.
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Speaker 9: How to teach your children how to be safe? Online.
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Speaker 9: I'm on a sting right now for my streaming crime
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Speaker 9: network True Blue, the Takedown Predator series, and it's just
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Speaker 9: not about catching people, it's how to make people safer.
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Speaker 9: And by going out and catching these guys, as you
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Speaker 9: say appropriately mentioned, we prevent others from taking place. I mean,
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Speaker 9: think about Brian Coberger for a minute. Do you think,
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Speaker 9: God forbid, had he not been caught in this case,
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Speaker 9: what's he scheming right now? What's going to get him off?
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Speaker 9: Nothing but another killing? This guy was a he would
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Speaker 9: have gone on and on and on until he was caught.
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Speaker 9: And thank god he was caught here. And it's just
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Speaker 9: too bad this horrible case wasn't prevented. But you know,
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Speaker 9: to harness the energy of the Gonsalves family and everybody
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Speaker 9: else involved here, I think it's just such a powerful
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Speaker 9: tool in crime fighting. I can think of nothing better
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Speaker 9: to be involved in.
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Speaker 1: To Andy Cohn joining us, a director of Victim Services
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Speaker 1: at Crime Starppers Houston, also working with Murder has a Name,
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Speaker 1: what is your vision of how this will work practically speaking?
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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you identify the cases that need
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Speaker 1: funding to get DNA results?
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Speaker 8: You know, once we get this out to the public.
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Speaker 8: I think we're going to get a lot of hits.
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Speaker 8: People are going to be reaching out to us. And
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Speaker 8: I do want to say one thing to the killers
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Speaker 8: that are out there that are thinking, you know, I
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Speaker 8: got away with it, Guess what We're coming after you.
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Speaker 8: We're gonna find you, We're going to arrest you, and
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Speaker 8: we're gonna do everything in our power to make sure
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Speaker 8: that you never breathe free air again. So many families
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Speaker 8: are lost in the system, particularly when cases go cold
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Speaker 8: and they don't know where they can turn next. We're
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Speaker 8: going to do everything we can to make sure families
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Speaker 8: all across the country whose cases have gone cold. Law
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Speaker 8: enforcement is at an end, they don't have anything to
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Speaker 8: go on. We're going to let them know that we're
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Speaker 8: there and we're going to help them, and we're going
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Speaker 8: to get these cases solved. Look at what happened just
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Speaker 8: a few weeks ago. They just found another case to
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Speaker 8: pin on Ted Bundy. They're looking on more cases. So
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Speaker 8: the murders that took place in the seventies, in the
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Speaker 8: eighties and the nineties that didn't have at the time
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Speaker 8: the advancements that we have now we are going to
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Speaker 8: solve and you just saw last few weeks with the
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Speaker 8: Lover's Lane murder, and there's more to come.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of cases that could be solved and a victim's
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Speaker 1: life saved, I can't help but think about a beautiful
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Speaker 1: mother of five. I'm talking about Rachel Morin. I worked
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Speaker 1: extensively on the case and spoke to her mother.
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Speaker 10: It felt like it felt like a shadow.
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Speaker 13: It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness, like
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Speaker 13: I just knew that there was something that.
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Speaker 10: I think it's just mother's intuition.
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Speaker 13: I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that
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Speaker 13: there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what
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Speaker 13: it was.
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Speaker 1: She found out what it was. Rachel, her daughter, was
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Speaker 1: brutally raped and murdered on the Maw and Paw hiking
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Speaker 1: trail by a guy that was wanted, and all we
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Speaker 1: had was DNA right out of La. Isn't that right?
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Speaker 1: Sydney Silvanni joining us from crime Stories. The perp that
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Speaker 1: murdered Rachel Morin had gone into a home. Here you
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Speaker 1: see the video of him leaving the home, but don't
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Speaker 1: see his face. He goes into a home in La,
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Speaker 1: assaults a miner and walks out in broad dal Practically
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Speaker 1: he's caught on video, but just his back, and many
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Speaker 1: people thought this was some consensual incident because he didn't
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Speaker 1: seem worried at all, he.
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Speaker 2: Didn't even run.
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Speaker 1: Then we find out the same Purp murders Rachel Moron.
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Speaker 2: Same Purp, right, yes, same guy.
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Speaker 12: These two crimes, committed across the country from each other,
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Speaker 12: were connected from DNA from familial DNA. Investigators traveled all
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Speaker 12: the way to South America to catch this perp.
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Speaker 14: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before
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Speaker 14: midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our
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Speaker 14: federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
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Speaker 14: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured
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Speaker 14: on the screens is a tw twenty three year old
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Speaker 14: citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border into
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Speaker 14: the United States in February of twenty twenty three. We
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Speaker 14: all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his first victim,
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Speaker 14: and it's my understanding that this inspect, this monster, fled
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Speaker 14: to the United States illegally after committing the brutal murder
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Speaker 14: of a young woman in El Salvador a month early
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Speaker 14: in January.
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Speaker 8: Of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 14: Once in our country, and likely emboldened by his anonymity,
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Speaker 14: he brutally attacked a nine year old girl and her
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Speaker 14: mother during a home invasion in March of twenty twenty
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Speaker 14: three in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Murder has a Name now founded by the Gonsalvest family
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Speaker 1: partnering with others, will not have boundaries. Geographical boundaries. DNA
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Speaker 1: can track you whether your DNA's in a data bank
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Speaker 1: through Interpol I Familia, Europol Information System PERUME framework with
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Speaker 1: the EU International Nucleotide Sequence Database collaboration all around the world.
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Speaker 1: DNA doesn't know geographical boundaries. These are just a few
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Speaker 1: of the cases Tracy Broco, who is now executive director
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Speaker 1: Murder has a Name. These are just some of the
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Speaker 1: cases that were solved by DNA. That's how they were solved,
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Speaker 1: and that's why it's so significant that the goodsolvist family
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Speaker 1: whose case was cracked with DNA is leading the charge.
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Speaker 2: What, Tracy, do you want us to do to help you?
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Speaker 10: Nancy? I think you've been a great, big voice in this.
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Speaker 10: You have helped I've heard so many things that you've
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Speaker 10: done to help them. Chris has helped. Andy's helped. We
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Speaker 10: just need the public to help now. We need people
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Speaker 10: to donate, We need people to know where their money
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Speaker 10: is going. Just because a case has not been solved
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Speaker 10: doesn't mean it can't be solved. It will be solved.
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Speaker 10: And to echo Andy, we are joining forces with the
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Speaker 10: police department, with every entity that we can to come
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Speaker 10: for you. We are going to help them bring you down.
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Speaker 10: You're not going to keep doing what you're doing to
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Speaker 10: the public and hurting these families.
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Speaker 1: Andy conn joining US Crime Stoppers Houston, who is now
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Speaker 1: an ambassador for the Ghost Office, who's new foundation. Murder
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Speaker 1: has a name. That's what I always ask, What can
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Speaker 1: I do? What can we do?
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Speaker 2: Give us something to do to help you, to help Christy,
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Speaker 2: to help Steve, to help Chris Hansen, Just tell me
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Speaker 2: what do you want us to do.
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Speaker 8: Once we get everything launched out there, the public will
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Speaker 8: be able to first sign up and request help. And
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Speaker 8: of course, being a nonprofit, donations that's what's going to
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Speaker 8: keep this the foundation floating. All the funds that the
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Speaker 8: foundation is going to get are going to be going
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Speaker 8: towards getting the DNA matches. None of us are getting paid.
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Speaker 8: We're all volunteers. None of us are going on junkets
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Speaker 8: or anything like that. This is strictly to help families
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Speaker 8: get their cases solved and to give them hope. So again,
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Speaker 8: this is not a state This is a national issue
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Speaker 8: with hundreds of thousands of unsolved homicides, sexual assaults, and
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Speaker 8: other violent crimes. And you mentioned this early on in
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Speaker 8: the segment, that lack of funding has caused so many
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Speaker 8: cases DNA just to sit there and wait to be tested.
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Speaker 8: That's absurd and that shouldn't happen in this day and age.
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Speaker 8: And that's what we're going to do by raising funds
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Speaker 8: and get these cases tested, get the DNA tested, and
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Speaker 8: get predators like the Golden Gate killer and many others
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Speaker 8: off the streets so they can't harm another person.
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Speaker 1: Chris Hanson joining us, who has partnered with the Consolvest family.
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Speaker 1: He is the star of Have a Seat with Chris
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Speaker 1: Hansen podcast and he is world known for solving cases
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Speaker 1: catching predators. So Chris tell us, even if it's an
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Speaker 1: echo of what Andy and Tracy have said, tell us
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Speaker 1: what you want us to do to help you and
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Speaker 1: to help the Gunsolvest family.
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Speaker 2: We'll do it.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 9: I think people need to sign up, People need to
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Speaker 9: get involved, people need to say, Okay, this hasn't happened
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Speaker 9: to me. I pray that it won't. I pray that
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Speaker 9: it doesn't happen to anybody else either. But you and
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Speaker 9: I know, the sad reality is these predators are out there.
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Speaker 9: We did a sting a few weeks ago in Louisiana.
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Speaker 9: One guy shows up to meet a child. He's an
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Speaker 9: illegal immigrant from Honduras. Unbeknownst to us, Nancy, his cousin
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Speaker 9: was hiding in the car he parked outside the stinghouse.
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Speaker 9: They were going to grab this girl, a fifteen year
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Speaker 9: old girl according to the scenario, and take her likely
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Speaker 9: anti human trafficking. This is happening every day. That could
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Speaker 9: have been a homicide. So we're doing our part with
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Speaker 9: our stories on True Blue Take Down have a seat
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Speaker 9: with Chris Hansen, just like you're doing here. And I'm
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Speaker 9: asking people to as much as they can sign up
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Speaker 9: and do their part in this effort and help murder
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Speaker 9: has a name so that when these horrific things happen,
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Speaker 9: we can catch the killer, catch the perpetrator, and prevent
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Speaker 9: it from happening to someone else.
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Speaker 1: Christy and Steve Gonsovis joining us, the parents of Kelly Gonsolvis,
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Speaker 1: and they're charging forward, they're soldiering on and if they
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Speaker 1: can do it, certainly we can join together to help
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Speaker 1: them to Christy Gonsoves, Kelly's mom, after Kelley was murdered
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Speaker 1: by Brian Coburger, What were those days like when you
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Speaker 1: were waiting.
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Speaker 2: For a resolution?
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Speaker 1: There is no closure? I hey, who will say that,
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Speaker 1: because your life is never ever going to be the
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Speaker 1: same ever, but resolution.
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Speaker 2: When you were waiting to find out who did this thing.
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Speaker 5: It was absolutely absolutely utter despair. It was every emotion
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Speaker 5: you could possibly fear, phil It was fear, it was sadness,
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Speaker 5: it was anger. You know, we had two young kids
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Speaker 5: still living at home, we had older kids. We didn't
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Speaker 5: know if Keithley was the target, if our family now
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Speaker 5: was the target.
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Speaker 4: Because you had no idea.
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Speaker 5: Who it was. It was just helplessness, hopelessness. And those
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Speaker 5: seven weeks of all this time that we've gone through,
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Speaker 5: have it were the worst. And it breaks my heart
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Speaker 5: as a mother thinking that people go even a day
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Speaker 5: longer than that seven weeks that we had to go through.
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Speaker 4: Because it was not live a I don't know how
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Speaker 4: we lived it.
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Speaker 5: I don't know how we survived those weeks of not knowing.
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Speaker 5: So for me to be able to give an answer
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Speaker 5: to some of these people who have just waited for
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Speaker 5: all this, all these years, decades, even if it's a year,
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Speaker 5: even if it's six months, I.
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Speaker 4: Know what that feels like.
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Speaker 5: And I want to give that to another mother, another father,
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Speaker 5: a grandmother, a grandfather, a brother, a sister.
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Speaker 4: I want to be able to say that.
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we can't solve these crimes ourselves, but
40:33
Speaker 5: we could help fund them.
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Speaker 4: And be a part of it.
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Speaker 5: And that, to me is everything, because not knowing is
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Speaker 5: the absolute worst.
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Speaker 4: There's nothing worse nothing.
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Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, Kelly's dad, has been very outspoken, as he
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Speaker 1: should be after the murder of his girl. What were
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Speaker 1: those days like for you after Kelly was murdered by
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Speaker 1: Brian Coburger and there was no resolution.
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Speaker 7: Being the leader of my family, I looked at all
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Speaker 7: of us and just said, we are going to do something.
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Speaker 7: We are going to call people, we are going to
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Speaker 7: make emails, we are going to be a part of
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Speaker 7: whoever did this to your sister or not just going
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Speaker 7: to take back and just wait for stuff to happen.
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Speaker 7: We're going to make things happen, and that's never stopped.
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Speaker 7: I remember thinking to myself, how do I go to
41:39
Speaker 7: sleep at night when something like this happens. There's so
41:43
Speaker 7: much injustice that just happened to me, and can I
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Speaker 7: really rest right now? Is there some more I could do?
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Speaker 7: And it always felt like there was more I could do.
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Speaker 7: And then when we finally get the person and you know,
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Speaker 7: the case, we were ready to go to trial and
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Speaker 7: that got canceled. And one of the good things about
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Speaker 7: this is we can tell everybody on our Facebook page
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Speaker 7: now that we are going that's what their money went to.
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Speaker 7: We had we did a gofund meing for going to court. Well,
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Speaker 7: now that money's rolling in and hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 7: people are actually going to be playing a part of
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Speaker 7: Murder has a Name because we asked, you know, who
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Speaker 7: wants refund and only one person wanted a refund. Everyone
42:21
Speaker 7: else said, hey, keep it, do something, go vacation. We
42:24
Speaker 7: didn't use that for a vacation. We use that and
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Speaker 7: is rolling into this and we're going to go help
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Speaker 7: other families, you know, solve their cases. We'll close those
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Speaker 7: gaps between funding and a lab that's sitting there waiting
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Speaker 7: for funding. We're going to be the funding, and I
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Speaker 7: think that's going to change. You know, private money being.
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Speaker 15: Used to solve crimes without taxpayers is a really good
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Speaker 15: strategy to scare criminals to thinking to themselves, it might
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Speaker 15: not be possible for me to get away with this,
42:53
Speaker 15: and let's hope that's what we can do, is to
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Speaker 15: start showing people in highlighting.
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Speaker 7: With with you know, channels like you that this is
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Speaker 7: this isn't going to keep working. Science is catching up.
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Speaker 5: Crimes are getting harder and harder to commit because people
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Speaker 5: are getting a really really good at solving things. You know,
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Speaker 5: you know, science has come a long long way.
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Speaker 4: And maybe your dealers are over, they're over.
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Speaker 7: Let's make it over. Guys that you want to play
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Speaker 7: a part, go to our foundation, talk to us, give us,
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Speaker 7: give us a name. If you've been in justice and
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Speaker 7: you have a case, we will get it, we will
43:30
Speaker 7: research it, and we will get moving. We are here
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Speaker 7: to make things happen.
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Speaker 1: And you will make things happen. From your mouth to
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Speaker 1: God's ear. Just so you know, to the gounsolves, you
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Speaker 1: are a role model. You now have that burden on you,
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Speaker 1: and I am sure you welcome it. People that are
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Speaker 1: suffering crime victims all around the world see you and
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Speaker 1: hear you, and are inspired by you.
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank the Gonsalves family. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank our friend Chris Hansen, our longtime friend Andy Kahn,
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Speaker 1: Tracy Broco. Thank you for not just talking about it,
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Speaker 1: but doing something about it. Now is the time we
44:23
Speaker 1: typically remember an American hero, but tonight I want to
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Speaker 1: remember the four beautiful Idah host students that lost their
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Speaker 1: lives at the hands of a monster. That would be
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Speaker 1: keiy Ethan, Maddie and Xenna. Please do not let their
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Speaker 1: deaths be in vain for nothing. Here's a chance for
44:54
Speaker 1: all of us to do something about it, not just
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Speaker 1: talk about it, not just report about it. I just
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Speaker 1: read about it, scroll about it online. Do something. Go
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Speaker 1: to murder has a name, and be inspired. Nancy Gray
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Speaker 1: signing off for to night, but I'll see you to
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Speaker 1: morrow night and until then, good night, friend.