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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on BYU men's basketball, AJ Dybantsa underperforming in big games, Reaction to Jaren Jackson Jr to the J... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: You jt kind of enough to join us for red
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  Speaker 3: and Blue right as breaking news comes out ahead of
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  Speaker 3: this NBA trade deadline that involves the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 2: I mean talk about timing.
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  Speaker 3: Right after we hang up with Gordy Chiaza, Memphis Grizzlies
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  Speaker 3: are trading an All star, Jaron Jackson Junior to the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz, along with Jack Londale and Vince Williams Junior.
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  Speaker 3: The Jazz are giving up Walter Clayton Junior, Kyle Anderson,
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Hendrix, George Niang and three first round picks. WHOA,
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  Speaker 3: that's a big haul for Memphis, but the Jazz get
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  Speaker 3: a defensive minded All star, a one time Defensive Player
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  Speaker 3: of the Year in the NBA who's only twenty six
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  Speaker 3: years old. Jonathan Tabernari j T. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think of this breaking news?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, first of all, is this the deal where.
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  Speaker 4: Danny Ange has given up the most first round picks?
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  Speaker 4: Because usually trader Danny is the one fanacy people, and
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  Speaker 4: this is a lot of first round, first round picks,
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  Speaker 4: And uh, that's the first thing I say. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting because a lot of the things that have
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  Speaker 4: been said since Ryan Smith took over to Jazz, is
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  Speaker 4: you know, are.
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  Speaker 1: They gonna win, Are they gonna win? When are they
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  Speaker 1: gonna win? Or when is it gonna get going? What
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  Speaker 1: is this rebuilt? What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 4: And I think lending Jaron Jackson junior at this point
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  Speaker 4: in time, you know, maximizing Laurie, maximizing everything we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: from Kyanty, you know, from Kanty George and also Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. This is a lineup now
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  Speaker 1: that you play.
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  Speaker 4: Laurie marketing as a small forward, not as a power forward.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty darn big lineup right where you have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you know you find now your
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  Speaker 1: two guard for this for the future. Is it going
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  Speaker 1: to be a j right? Who is it going to
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  Speaker 1: be your two guard for the future? And they have
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  Speaker 1: law you know Laurie, and then you have.
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  Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson and Walker Kesseler. That's the lineup that I
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  Speaker 4: think makes the playoffs easily, right, And I'm not just
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  Speaker 4: talking about the play in game. And so it's exciting, right.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Ryan big buyu guy.
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  Speaker 4: We actually saw each other and Shadda for a bit
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  Speaker 4: on Saturday, and you know, it's interesting to see his
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  Speaker 4: passion for Utah, his passion for the Jazz, you know,
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  Speaker 4: But I will say this, it is much funner to
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  Speaker 4: follow the NBA when your local team is doing well
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  Speaker 4: when the Jazz are, you know, a playoff contender. I
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  Speaker 4: actually watch more Jazz games than I do Lakers games.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm a dye like Laker fan, back to when
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  Speaker 4: Eld Gimble was the big man for the Lakers, right.
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  Speaker 4: And so to me, I'm excited for this because it
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  Speaker 4: puts the Jazz in Hey, we're.
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  Speaker 1: Actually trying to win or actually turn the corner on
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  Speaker 1: our rebuild, which means that you know that the.
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  Speaker 4: Rebuild is not I don't want to say it's over,
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  Speaker 4: but they're now like, we've.
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  Speaker 1: Secked enough pieces. We've got to go do some things
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  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. And it's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: We started the show today. That was the first segment.
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  Speaker 3: How long should you wait as a pro sports fan
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  Speaker 3: on a rebuild? Right? Is it a five year process?
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  Speaker 3: Is it a seven year process? Are you in patient?
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  Speaker 3: And you make it a three year process? And on
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  Speaker 3: that same day where I'm asking this question, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like the Jazz are like, all right, no more patients,
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna take a big swing. And I love the
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  Speaker 3: fact that this is very clearly a defensive minded move.
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  Speaker 3: Primarily that's what Jaron Jackson Junior is known for. He's
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  Speaker 3: an All NBA defender. He is a one time defensive
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  Speaker 3: Player of the Year. I already mentioned, and you've heard
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  Speaker 3: everyone in the organization and everyone who watches the organization
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  Speaker 3: express their distaste for, uh, the way the defense is
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  Speaker 3: being played with this Utah Jazz organization right now. So
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  Speaker 3: I love the fact that they went out and they
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  Speaker 3: addressed that. From a player personnel standpoint, you brought in
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  Speaker 3: a guy who knows how to do it, who knows
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  Speaker 3: how to help establish that as a tone and a culture,
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  Speaker 3: and will demand accountability defensively from his teammates. So you're
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  Speaker 3: checking a couple boxes here for me. You're accelerating the
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  Speaker 3: time where people don't have to be patient anymore, and
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  Speaker 3: you're also addressing the defensive issues that this Jazz roster
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  Speaker 3: has had.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. And that's the thing, right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's impossible in today's NBA, with the salary
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  Speaker 4: gap and the CBA the way it is for you
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  Speaker 4: to keep you know, a quote unquote dynasty together. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: think about the beginning of the season where everybody was
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  Speaker 4: talking about, oh, okay, season your dynasty and you know,
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  Speaker 4: oh how far and how long go?
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  Speaker 1: Does that scene that it was?
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  Speaker 4: And so it's we're not gonna see I have a
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  Speaker 4: very you know, if this was a batting show, I
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  Speaker 4: would say never battle this because I think the probability
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  Speaker 4: of having.
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  Speaker 1: Another dynasty like we saw with you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at Golden State, but even win three in a
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  Speaker 1: row with Kevin Durant and and and Steth Curry now
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  Speaker 1: injured play the big role in that right and then
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  Speaker 1: you looked at before them, the Spurs and the heat
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  Speaker 1: and h you know, like, to me, the way I
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  Speaker 1: look at this is I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to see another dynasty in the NBA. And
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  Speaker 4: so the field is why and ready to harvest and
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  Speaker 4: go figure out a way to just you know, have
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  Speaker 4: all the stars aligning. Go get yourself a championship.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see how this plays out for the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: Intriguing move as the first semi blockbuster trade at least
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  Speaker 3: in the before this NBA trade deadline does not involved Giannis,
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  Speaker 3: but instead brings a Memphis Grizzlies all star to Salt
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  Speaker 3: Lake City. Fun to see how this thing will be
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  Speaker 3: play out. Jaron Jackson Junior and a couple other guys
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  Speaker 3: Jock Londelle and Vince Williams Junior are headed to the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz in exchange for Walter Clayton, Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendrix,
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  Speaker 3: George Yang, and three first round draft picks, which the
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  Speaker 3: jat's point is uncharacteristic of the ages to be giving
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  Speaker 3: away first round draft picks.
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  Speaker 2: Usually they're collecting them. But we'll see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of first round draft picks, I want to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you about BYU basketball and look, it's tough, and
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  Speaker 3: the life is tough in the Big Twelve Conference, a
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  Speaker 3: tough stretch, a matchup with Kansas, and now you got
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  Speaker 3: Houston coming.
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  Speaker 2: And we were talking about this the other day.
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  Speaker 3: The xpect for someone like aj Debonsa is probably unfairly
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  Speaker 3: high because we all know the kind of money he's
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  Speaker 3: bringing in. We know what he was ranked as a
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  Speaker 3: recruit coming out of high school. Is he living up
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  Speaker 3: to the expectation? I know that there's time and when
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  Speaker 3: he gets drafted, whatever NBA team is going to be
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  Speaker 3: patient and they're gonna find ways to maximize his potential.
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  Speaker 3: But BYU doesn't have that luxury. He's he's in provo
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  Speaker 3: for just a few months. Is he delivering on his
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  Speaker 3: potential and living up to expectations, especially in these big games?
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  Speaker 1: For you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you hit the nail right on
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  Speaker 4: your head. Are we expecting too much of Aj Debonsa?
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  Speaker 4: If you compare Aj Debonsa to another not another player,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not even talking about a Richie Saunders level player.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about just a general playing college. The expectations
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  Speaker 4: are to the roof. That's one hundred percent fair team
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  Speaker 4: to say. With that being said, the Asians put in
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  Speaker 4: on AJ are aligned with what do you expect from
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  Speaker 4: the number one player in high school? McDonald's all American,
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  Speaker 4: arguably the number one prospect outside of the NBA, and
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  Speaker 4: someone that you know is largely viewed as the number
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  Speaker 4: one picking a draft, and so when you you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you considered these variables, I don't think the pressure
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  Speaker 4: doesn't be poor on AJ is too much because he's
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  Speaker 4: that good of a player, Because he has earned. Pressure
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  Speaker 4: is a privilege, right.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something that he has earned.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I don't think that a lot of what's happening
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  Speaker 4: with YU falls totally on AJ. Sure, against Arizona he
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  Speaker 4: was six for twenty four, scored twenty four points, but
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  Speaker 4: they not should the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Sure, against Kansas.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't deliver, and you know, Darren Peterson outplayed him.
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  Speaker 1: But I think when you look at at by U
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  Speaker 1: as a whole, not only at AJ, the issues that
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  Speaker 1: BYU is facing out.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, they are part fall on AJ, but there
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  Speaker 4: is a bigger part that doesn't. And so I think
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  Speaker 4: that you've got to be able to separate that you
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  Speaker 4: and be able to say, you know, the expectations of
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  Speaker 4: AJ debonds are you know, issue A, and expectations and
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  Speaker 4: issues with BYU, you know, falls on this other polum
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  Speaker 4: because there's just a lot going on right now, Sean.
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  Speaker 3: What are those other things that are going on that
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because obviously it's not a one man band,
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  Speaker 3: that's a really talented roster, it's a really expensive roster.
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  Speaker 3: What are the other issues that when you look at it,
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  Speaker 3: and again, these these big time matchups are the ones
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  Speaker 3: that matter. The level set when you talk about the
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  Speaker 3: talent on that roster is not oh, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully you win half of your Big twelve games. The
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  Speaker 3: expectation is that this is a team that can push
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  Speaker 3: to make the Final four. So what are the other
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  Speaker 3: things besides a j either living up in the big
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  Speaker 3: games or not. What are the other things that have
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  Speaker 3: your attention right now for this by U basketball team.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, let's take a step back on everything.
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  Speaker 4: When this team was constructed, it was constructed with the
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  Speaker 4: Big three, but then with Nate Pickens being the backup
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  Speaker 4: point guard, we've got some Baker Baker being a backup
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  Speaker 4: tumble guard, with Brody Tlslowski being a spread the floor,
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  Speaker 4: knocked down shooter. Now, all three of those guys had
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  Speaker 4: season ending injuries, and so automatically everything that you expected
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  Speaker 4: to have in your supporting cast.
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  Speaker 1: Completely went out of the window.
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  Speaker 4: And so that caused by U to have to go
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  Speaker 4: and find Alexei Kostitch, who has under delivered and underperformed massively.
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  Speaker 4: That has caused by U to have to play Mihailo Boscovich.
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  Speaker 4: Mahailo Boscovich significantly more, significantly more on as Kyle Stollenborth.
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  Speaker 1: Is actually trying to taught me right now.
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  Speaker 4: I told him to turn on the Sean O'Callaghan show
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  Speaker 4: so he can hear me talking. And so to me,
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  Speaker 4: it's a significant thing because you don't have that the
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  Speaker 4: way that you plan for the team, which actually happened.
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  Speaker 4: And so from that perspective, they are now having to
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  Speaker 4: go into the third calendar, the fourth corner creit counter
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  Speaker 4: to actually be able to to actually be able to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how can they solve this problem. And then
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  Speaker 4: you look at the poor the poor start to games.
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  Speaker 1: If Yu Kevie Young deserves all the credits for.
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  Speaker 4: Being a second halftime adjustment coach and make great adjustments
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  Speaker 4: in the second half, nonetheless, the way that Yu starts
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  Speaker 4: the game is extremely poor. So that's another issue. The
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  Speaker 4: fact that they have no outside shooting. We haven't even
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  Speaker 4: talked about Tyler Maruss, who will suppose to be the sniper,
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  Speaker 4: was supposed to be the quote unquote trevinew of the situation,
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  Speaker 4: and he is shooting about thirty percent from three. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is not baseball where thirty percent average
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  Speaker 4: will make it to the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: This is not very good.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's just one of those things that like
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  Speaker 4: BUYU hasn't had luck on their side.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I think the criticism for everything I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about is very you know, it's valid. You look at
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  Speaker 1: all of.
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  Speaker 4: The talking heads John Roth's team. I forgot that there
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  Speaker 4: was someone else from ESPN that mentioned CBS. I'm also
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  Speaker 4: saying the same thing. They're all saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Sean b. YU also doesn't have a marquee win. If
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  Speaker 1: you look at it, their win against Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: And then their win against Clemson highlight as their best
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  Speaker 4: wins of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And none of those teams are even, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a very good situation for that to be considered a
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  Speaker 1: quad one. And so BYU has ten games lap, they
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  Speaker 1: have four games against top fifteen teams, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going back and.
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  Speaker 4: Forth with Jerem Jordan, with Ben Critto and a few
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  Speaker 4: other people, because I think for BUYU to be a
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  Speaker 4: three or a four seed in ANACAA tournament, they need
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  Speaker 4: to go at least eight and two or most likely
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  Speaker 4: nine to one. And that's crazy, right, And so you know,
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  Speaker 4: I know I've gone I've gone a little bit too long.
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  Speaker 4: But what I will say is there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: expectations because you have the number one player in the country,
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  Speaker 4: your head coach was an NBA in waiting head coach,
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  Speaker 4: and the pay road that his NIL team has, and
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  Speaker 4: so you know, when you look at all of these factors,
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  Speaker 4: it's way more than just is a j debausa living.
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  Speaker 1: Up to the extra thincols.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's fair and you're never going too long because
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  Speaker 3: it's a thought out answer, but uh, it's fair to say, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's other things that In college basketball, the timeline is
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  Speaker 3: so much different, right. I mean, we look at these
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  Speaker 3: college football rosters byu is they've done a great job
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: on the football front as well of maximizing NIL and
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  Speaker 3: getting the right kind of guys who are there for
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: you know, not just for the money, but also because
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  Speaker 3: they love BYU. And you have to look no further
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  Speaker 3: than this last transfer cycle where they did not really
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  Speaker 3: lose any significant players.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good group. You have time with that group.
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  Speaker 3: You have time to say, all right, well, we're paying
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  Speaker 3: this guy this much and that's a lot of money,
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  Speaker 3: but we're gonna get what we need out of him.
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  Speaker 3: Because he can't go to the NFL next year, he's
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: gonna have to stay here for a little while, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have a chance for our coaches to influence him
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  Speaker 3: and develop him. And in college basketball just so so rapid,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: it's so sped up right now that I'm curious. It
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: feels like the booster base, the alumni base. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: you're one of those people fully bought in on what
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  Speaker 3: is happening with BYU basketball. But if you squander this
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  Speaker 3: opportunity of having the number one player in the country,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't end up and there's plenty of basketball
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  Speaker 3: left to play, they could go on a great tournament
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  Speaker 3: run in both the Big Twelve of the NCAA tournaments.
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  Speaker 3: This is a hyper is a total hypothetical here. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't live up to the expectation, will it change
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  Speaker 3: the level of investment, donation support in the short term?
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  Speaker 1: Well, so, a couple of things I.
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  Speaker 4: Think that you know, Actually, let me give another shout
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  Speaker 4: out to Kyle power Worth so he can stop texting
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  Speaker 4: me and I get pay attention to.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: I got a contract with ESPN, Seawan is about to
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  Speaker 4: fire me.
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  Speaker 1: Leave me alone. Come on, Kyle.
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  Speaker 4: But but but what I would say is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll use Kyle as an example, Kyle and I we
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: talk a lot about this team, and we talk about
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  Speaker 4: basketball in general. You know, to your comment about, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you guys have bought in into this, I think we
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  Speaker 4: didn't have a choice.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the way of the wound is right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could give.
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  Speaker 4: You a impull sean of nil happening in sixth grade
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  Speaker 4: here at the Utah scene, at the basketball level, where
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: six graders are actually you know, receiving money to.
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  Speaker 1: Be able to go play, you know, for different for
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  Speaker 1: different teams than such. And so I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: reality that we live in right now, right, right or wrong,
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  Speaker 1: good or bad, that's just the reality that we live in.
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  Speaker 1: And so because of that you have to adapt. And
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  Speaker 1: I think BYU has done a tremendous job. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think maybe Indiana has done a better job than BYU.
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  Speaker 4: Right because they won the national championship for football this year.
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  Speaker 4: But BYU has doing a tremendous job adjusting because you
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  Speaker 4: just didn't have a choice. You adapt or you die.
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  Speaker 4: And so now to your point, BYU did have a
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  Speaker 4: very successful transfer portal of keeping their pieces together.
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  Speaker 1: But the main piece that the main two pieces they.
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  Speaker 4: Kept together has been Richie Saunders and Keba and those
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: guys are delivering. But then to your point, you know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: it's not a one man show, right. Basketball is one
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: of those sports that you need about, you know, in
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: today's day and age, about three or four dudes that
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: are able to contribute.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And night in and night out. B YU doesn't get that, right,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And so out of the big three, two out of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the three of them always deliver, and so they need
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: every three of them to always be on and that's difficult, right,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and so, and then you need the supporting cast, which
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: just isn't there. And so, but I fully agree with you, and.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see how the BYU community, how
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: the boosters, how the collective, how all of that is
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: going to react if.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: This DYU team does not go beyond the Sweet sixteen.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Well but day JG. That's kind of crazy talk.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: BYU has only made to the Sweet sixteen three times
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: in their history, one Danny Ainge you.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Want with Jimmifer Dad and another one last year. You're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, But perception is reality, and the reality that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: we live in right now is the fact.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: That BYU has the number one player in the country,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: arguably the best head coach not in the NBA, a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: very deep, nil investment team, and if they don't not over,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: if they don't go beyond where they win.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Last year, I gotta tell you this season is going
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to be a hump. Where do we go from here?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: How do we manage that? And I think that's a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: very fair thing to do. I'm very close to BYU,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I work for BYU as an analyst. I get it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But again, what I'm sharing is not just my personal feelings,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but that a pretty much.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: All of cougarnation, which is you're going to ask some
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: questions about, well, so what do we need to do
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: to get to that level? Do we need invest more money?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: You know, do we need a number one and number
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: two player in the country. And again, there are ways
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: that you can justify the situation with the injuries that
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I mentioned to you, But again, perception is reality, and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: you know, I personally thin Shan the month of February,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: we'll make it or break the BYU season.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely right you said it earlier. Pressure is
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: a privilege, and it feels like this BYU basketball program
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and where the season is at right now, which by
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the way, is a great season they're having an awesome year.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: But in order to make it worth it, I guess
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: with the thirteen fifteen, whatever the dollar amount is, million
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: dollar roster, you got to show that you can beat Houston.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: You got to show that you can beat Arizona, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: you came close, but you got to actually get it done.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You got to get one of these, maybe two of
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: these quad one wins that are available to you in
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: this big twelve slave. And I mean, and I say
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: this all of this knowing full well that Utah is
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: so far away from this conversation right now that it
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: probably sounds silly if there's BYU fans out there listening, like,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Why are you being critical
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: of BYU? Well, because the programs are in very different places.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And I hope we get to a point where I
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: can complain about Utah losing to the number one Arizona
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Wildcats and their number one player not showing up well enough,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: because we're far away.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: From that right now.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: But BYU is here. Are they going to be able
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to stay? That's my question?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and then I think to your point, right, if the.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Portal has, if if Indiana has showed does anything is
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: that if if the stars a line and you also
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: have very competent people in place, and you also you
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: also get a few breaks here and there, anything is possible.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Indiana totally shows that I don't want to hear about. Well,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that's easy to say, No, it's.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Not because if you actually look at it, as you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: seeing Addie, he had been there for a while, so
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: he's a competent guy.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Kevin Young had been there for a year or so.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Now he's a competent guy. You you happen to have
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: an other worldly you know, star in Fernando Mendoza, which
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you could be the same about a J. D. Bonsa,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: You have a complimentary supporting cast that's there to deliver,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: which b Yu has it. We have a couple of
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: players like Robert Right the third and Keva Ketta and
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Richie Saunders. You know, they just unfortunately, you know, injury
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: has plagued them. So and then you have the nil
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: investment to be able to fit the pieces around, because
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: let's be realistic, Sean, long gone are the days where
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: you're going to get you know, the Alex Jensen and
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: the Michael Doliaks and DeAndre Millers and the Keith Van
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Horns and the Chris Burgesses and the Jonathan Tabernauris or
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: the Kyle Collinsworths.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: That they stay with the program long term.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And they become fixtures and you know, known players from the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Program because of their long.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Career that you can kiss that goodbye out of the window.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That ship has sailed.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: And so now it becomes a turnover of year over
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: year for you truly be able to understand what do
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: we need to make this roster competitive this year and
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: adjust things today for now and again right, it's not
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: an exact science, you know, and unfortunately it's not one
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: of those things that you can just throw money at it,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: which is why.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I say you can certainly have success, but you need
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the stars. You have to have a lot of things happen.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: And you know BYU has a good start to it
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: having a competent coaching staff, and now you need a
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: little bit of luck for the stars to align and
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: make sure that when you invest, you make the writing investments.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: All right, before I let you go, who's winning the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Oh? Oh man? The Indianapolis coach. Now I'm just joking.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I yes, yeah, I'm gonna Seattler New England.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks are the heavy favorite for a lot of
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: people right now. The I think most of us just
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: don't feel a need to see the Patriots win a
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: championship ever again.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But who's gonna take this one down?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the Patriots are getting a lot of
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: flack from the media though, because not having Bill Belichick
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: That is crazy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is you know, that is utah u
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: yu left off pettiness and you know, and uh and
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the Holy War on Twitter Sean, my goodness. But I
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: will say I'm going with the Seahawks.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my good friend Jem Jordan and uh,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we all live.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: In a simulation and every time that something has happened,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks won, and so you know, if it ain't broke,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: don't fix it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Let's keep up with the simulation.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go Seahawks thirty one eighteen.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: All right, that's JT's official pick. Jonathan Tabernari. Always appreciate
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: your insight and your time. Thank you, my friend.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I as always Sean, it is my pleasure and I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: hope you have a great day.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabernari for Red and Blue.
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