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Jaguars Reporters: March 15 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: He's the outlier. Kara Lawrence and awesome, We're turn up everything.
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Speaker 1: Um physically gifted, smart has dealt with all the pressure
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Speaker 1: to last year. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters, presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn
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Speaker 1: Sullivan and J P. Shadri Presended by t I A
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Speaker 1: A Bank starts right now. Welcome in Jaguars Reporters Brian Sexton,
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Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan, J P. Shadrick, John Osier. On the Monday,
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Speaker 1: as we take this that the free agency begins, uh
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Speaker 1: what do they call it? Legal tampering legal camper tamper time,
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Speaker 1: which means that if legal negotiating window, it means that
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Speaker 1: they start the illegal tampering a little earlier. It just
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Speaker 1: takes Let's be honest, people talk, Uh, this is this
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Speaker 1: is it's it's funny, but we'll probably see some things
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Speaker 1: start to shake down here. Um, first of all, how
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Speaker 1: are you guys? Oh? Great, fabulous? Do you Um, I'll
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Speaker 1: save it, I'll save the thought it is. It is.
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Speaker 1: It's a moment though, of the off season that kind
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Speaker 1: of feels normal, right because we're talking about the team
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Speaker 1: jumping into the free agent market to whatever degree they
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Speaker 1: do that and JP at least for the last dozen years,
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Speaker 1: this team has been one of the major players in
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Speaker 1: free agency every single off season. Well, they certainly have,
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Speaker 1: because there were moments remember in Whateen fifteen, where they
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Speaker 1: had to start spending some money because they weren't spending
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Speaker 1: enough money to meet that three year rolling window or
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Speaker 1: you have to have a certain average of dollars. So
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Speaker 1: remember in those times, they were starting to throw money
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Speaker 1: at at some guys they had drafted. And then they
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Speaker 1: went out in free agency the big time, like we
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Speaker 1: talked about last week in se and seventeen and picked
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Speaker 1: up some big names. So, um, you know this is
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Speaker 1: one where there's going to be a lot of new
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Speaker 1: faces around here. I'm just curious how they really build
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Speaker 1: this thing f wise and free agency. They have the money,
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Speaker 1: and but how do they figure out their plan of
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Speaker 1: attack moving ahead here in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating just because of all the new
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Speaker 1: pieces of new parts and new reporting structures. We'll have
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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea I think after the first week
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Speaker 1: of how this thing is going to go down. But
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Speaker 1: what would be fascinating is if we could show your
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Speaker 1: picture right now in this audio podcast with the sun
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Speaker 1: gleaming there and your sunglasses on, you're up in the
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Speaker 1: the Golden God. Yeah, I mean you you are, you
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Speaker 1: are um, You're you're radiating. You're radiating for the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: is bright and it's staring me right in the face there,
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Speaker 1: so maybe the dicks. All right, let's start with the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars this week, and that's news and notes and Ashland.
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Speaker 1: I know I'm the host, but I'm assigning this to you,
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Speaker 1: all right, fair enough theair enough. Yes, Andrew nor Well's
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Speaker 1: new contract right it. Early this morning, I was up
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Speaker 1: making coffee and Adam Schefter tweeted the news of Andrew
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Speaker 1: Norwell's new contract, basically clearing some cap space for next
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Speaker 1: season and making some changes he year and if we
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Speaker 1: had any question, it confirms his spot on the season.
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Speaker 1: But Urban Myers press conference John last week basically did
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Speaker 1: that for us when he said he's one of my
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Speaker 1: favorite players I've ever coached. Yeah, this sounded from the
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Speaker 1: word go like they didn't really want to get rid
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Speaker 1: of Norwell, they wanted him. It sort of stood the
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Speaker 1: reason from the very start that Urban had coached Norah
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Speaker 1: when he was in Ohio State. So unless they had
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Speaker 1: some sort of falling out in college that this was
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Speaker 1: a guy who had come from a walk on status.
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Speaker 1: How could a coach not love this guy? So you
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Speaker 1: kind of thought that that was the case. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: did they want him to be the number one guy
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Speaker 1: on their salary cap this year in terms of structure million? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Perhaps not so. Uh it sounds like both sides met
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Speaker 1: in the middle. And Uh, I'm not surprised because as
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about all along, they like this offensive line.
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Speaker 1: They feel like the veteran makeup of a group. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I laugh when I hear people criticize the offensive line
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Speaker 1: right now because if you were drafting a ricky quarterback,
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Speaker 1: which we assume they will and starting him and you
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of rookies, everybody be panicked about that.
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Speaker 1: So they're they're taking a very measured, smart approach and
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Speaker 1: bringing back this beater offensive line. Everybody hates it. So
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Speaker 1: it's trend the defensive line, don't you know that also
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Speaker 1: trending London. We've talked about it for weeks on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: In Urban Meyer was at the Players golf tournament on Friday,
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Speaker 1: had a nice little press conference there, and says that
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Speaker 1: he believed the Jaguars will play one game in London
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Speaker 1: next season and the final decision should come in early May.
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Speaker 1: So somewhat of breaking news because I think we all
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Speaker 1: were along the same lines JP that this might not happen. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's still and if obviously I think it was.
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Speaker 1: If this happens, then the ideas the Jags would play
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Speaker 1: one game as the way it might have come out
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Speaker 1: differently from Urban. So I think they're still trying to
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Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm sure the league and teams that
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Speaker 1: would or want to be involved in this thing are
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Speaker 1: probably going through some pre planning just in case, just
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Speaker 1: to cover there. You know what if you know, all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden there's London games on the schedule this year.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's still a huge if obviously it's
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Speaker 1: March fifteen today, schedule is not going to come out
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Speaker 1: at least for another month month and a half, and
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Speaker 1: that gives a little time to see how things are
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Speaker 1: both here uh and in the UK in terms of COVID,
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Speaker 1: and then that gives you another five six months to
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Speaker 1: really plan and get ready for whatever games would be
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Speaker 1: because you know, obviously those games are usually in the
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Speaker 1: first two months of the season. You don't I don't
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Speaker 1: think the league wants to play December games in London.
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Speaker 1: That would not be an ideal scenario in terms of
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Speaker 1: competitive balance and playoff pushes and all that, to throw
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Speaker 1: a London trip in the middle of that. So I
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Speaker 1: think it's just a just in case right now. And
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Speaker 1: if the Jag obviously the Jags want to be involved,
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Speaker 1: wants to be involved if they're London games. If there is,
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Speaker 1: there's probably one. According to Herban, I think, and this
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Speaker 1: is a good year to do it, um because you
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Speaker 1: have the a f C getting that extra home game
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Speaker 1: because of the seventeen game schedule, which we'll find out,
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Speaker 1: so and make plans for it, and if something comes up,
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Speaker 1: then you'll adjust on the fly like they did last
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Speaker 1: year and and add it back to the home schedule,
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Speaker 1: but you might as well plan for it. And I
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Speaker 1: would think that if I were Urban with this staff,
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Speaker 1: I'd want to be going through the London planning anyway,
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Speaker 1: because even if I'm not there this year, I'll be
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Speaker 1: there next. So let's plan for it and then if
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Speaker 1: we scrap it, we scrap it. And from the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: ticket sales perspective, it's, uh, it's a freebee in a
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Speaker 1: sense that, um, you know you're gonna have a full
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Speaker 1: home schedule and you're gonna get the game in London
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Speaker 1: because this is the year the a f C gets
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Speaker 1: the first the first wave of those what ninth games,
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Speaker 1: And you wonder if there might be a scenario moving
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Speaker 1: forward where you switch that out on a year where
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Speaker 1: you don't you don't play in London. I that's just
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Speaker 1: left the top of my head. And they've always been
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Speaker 1: committed to London for the US what seven or eight years.
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Speaker 1: We'll see, we will see. And finally late last week,
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Speaker 1: Trey Herndon and Tyler shot Lee resigned to the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: And I saw a tweet that was very true and
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Speaker 1: it was death taxes and Tyler shot Lee in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: He goes quietly undrafted free agent in two thousand fourteen,
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Speaker 1: but started ten games last season, has played in twenty
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Speaker 1: five games in his seven years sent here with Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Definitely an under the radar guy, but was worthy of
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Speaker 1: that next contract. These are guys you need. You can't
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Speaker 1: have Pro Bowl level guys who are making top of
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Speaker 1: contract money veterans along your roster. You need Tyler Shatley's
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Speaker 1: to function in the the NFL, you need veteran backup lineman. Again,
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's at all a coincidence that all
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Speaker 1: of the guys who have been made news about being
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Speaker 1: retained in some form of fashion Camera Robinson, Tyler Shatley,
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Speaker 1: Trey Herndon are at positions where they brought back the
8:02
Speaker 1: position coach makes sense, Tim Walton, George Warhop. Clearly they
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Speaker 1: have a comfort level with these guys and know how
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Speaker 1: they're going to fit in what they do, so it
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Speaker 1: makes sense well. And and Herndon was best if you
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Speaker 1: recall in inside as a nickel. When they put him
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Speaker 1: on the outside, he struggled to play as well. But
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Speaker 1: with the changes there that you're making, with d J.
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Speaker 1: Hayden leaving in free agency, at least I assume he's
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Speaker 1: leaving in free agency, Herndon has a chance to come
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Speaker 1: and compete and be a nickel. You've got a guy
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Speaker 1: you can count on him, and now you go when
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Speaker 1: you build around him, Well, if you don't bring him
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Speaker 1: back all of a sudden, you're talking about losing Herndon.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about losing. Uh yeah, perhaps Jones, you're talking
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Speaker 1: about losing. Hey, Well, at some point it's easier fans
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Speaker 1: say let guys go. Well you let guys go, you
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Speaker 1: have to go get more guys. And on free agency
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Speaker 1: in the draft, there's only so many so much free
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Speaker 1: agency I could and so many draft picks that you have.
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Speaker 1: So you've got to keep some of these guys who
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Speaker 1: you who you believe are going I don't say fell
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Speaker 1: out the roster because they're more than that, but are
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Speaker 1: going to play roles that may not be front line roles.
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Speaker 1: They're solid. You know who they are. And I think
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Speaker 1: Urban mentioned that last week too. You're talking about, you know,
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Speaker 1: the comfort level of having guys that know how he
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Speaker 1: does things and how he knows how they do things right,
9:20
Speaker 1: by the way, I gotta hold on. Sorry, the pound
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Speaker 1: for pound, Tyler Shatley has the best beard and that
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Speaker 1: probably was a talking point in the meetings. Well, he's
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Speaker 1: all so Clemson guys, so that might not go into
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Speaker 1: it as well. All right, now, big things here too,
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Speaker 1: and we'll start with John And you were all about
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Speaker 1: the defensive tackles. Yeah, and uh my big thing is
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Defensive tackle defensive tackle. And that's what I
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Speaker 1: expect to see this week and probably won in the draft.
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Speaker 1: That's what I think Jaguars fans, even if they're not
9:55
Speaker 1: even if the position is not on the radar as
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Speaker 1: much as quarterback as much as wide receiver, running back,
10:01
Speaker 1: if this team can't get better on the defensive front,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter really what they do anywhere else. I
10:08
Speaker 1: wouldn't say correck doesn't matter. But you're not gonna win
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Speaker 1: even with the best quarterback play if you can't stop
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Speaker 1: the run bear and they have so uh. I don't
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Speaker 1: with with Leonard Williams off the market, I don't think
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be splashed free agency with defensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: But you got to get some bodies who this team likes,
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Speaker 1: who this team believes can play this scheme, whatever the
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Speaker 1: scheme is, I have to go back and match yours up.
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Speaker 1: But Dalvin Tomlinson JP, and this is probably a place
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Speaker 1: for you to jump in here. Was he not at
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Speaker 1: Alabama when the current defensive line coach Lupoy was there.
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Speaker 1: I mean you kind of make those sort of assessments.
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Speaker 1: There's so many fantastic players out of there, Brian that
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Speaker 1: run together. You're glowing again, JP, you're glowing. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's the future bright, the whole thing. So yes, I believe.
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Speaker 1: So there's there's a little bit of a window there.
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Speaker 1: So that's possible because then that goes back to what
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Speaker 1: Urban has said. You know, we'd rather trust somebody that
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Speaker 1: has a connection with a player then go inside on
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Speaker 1: seen on a player we don't know anything about. So
11:13
Speaker 1: that's where the position coaches go in and they have
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Speaker 1: to research and they kind of lead the way of
11:18
Speaker 1: who's in that room. So if they cross passed, I
11:21
Speaker 1: think that would be an instant connecting here. Sure. Yes,
11:23
Speaker 1: So I was reading that Dalmen Thomason has not missed
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Speaker 1: a start in four seasons. Availability is a great thing
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Speaker 1: and he's got it. Well, it'll be it'll be interesting
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Speaker 1: because the market is not going to be as robust
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Speaker 1: as it has been. So I wonder if there are
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Speaker 1: going to be a number of teams that are sitting
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Speaker 1: there waiting for someone else to jump in and and
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Speaker 1: start setting the market. Um, just because the cap has
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Speaker 1: gone down this year and teams are scrambling to create
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Speaker 1: enough room not just to be under the cap, but
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Speaker 1: to sign their rookie classes. Uh and and and some
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Speaker 1: of the guys they'd like to keep. So it'll be
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Speaker 1: interesting at this market is going to be different than
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Speaker 1: it has been in years past. I don't I don't
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Speaker 1: know that you're going to see the massive contract at
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Speaker 1: noon today. Come up across your social media accounts, okay,
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Speaker 1: your next I was watching the Golf Channel on Friday
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Speaker 1: paying attention on Twitter and Urban Meyer at TPC saw
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Speaker 1: grass on Friday was like something like Beyonce coming. I'm
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Speaker 1: not kidding. I mean he was everywhere. He was all
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Speaker 1: over the place. He's on Golf Channel interviews, like three
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Speaker 1: of them, having press conferences. He's shaking hands, he's kissing babies,
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Speaker 1: and I just thought to myself, this is the most
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Speaker 1: bought in coach I've ever seen. I was watching the
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Speaker 1: Golf Channel interview, meaning he's bought in or everyone's bought
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Speaker 1: in on him both. It's just like everyone was just
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Speaker 1: all around him, and he was talking about the greatness
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Speaker 1: of Jacksonville on the Golf Channel and how much he
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Speaker 1: loves the nine oh four already. It's like this, this
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Speaker 1: is awesome. I have no other words to describe a JP. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is awesome. By the way, Tomlinson and Boyd did
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Speaker 1: cross pass at Alabama. They were check Um. It was
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Speaker 1: to see and we know Urban's history with that, well,
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Speaker 1: we didn't really until he said it the other day.
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Speaker 1: His um history with golf, and he used to live
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Speaker 1: in Ohio on your Field village, Jack Nicholas's course, and
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Speaker 1: had some good stories about that. Those interactions which worked
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Speaker 1: well for that audience he got. He knows the room,
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Speaker 1: like he knows what room he's in. He knows the
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Speaker 1: audience he's playing too. Um. But I think that's every
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Speaker 1: instant that he goes out in a in a public event.
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Speaker 1: It's not like he's just gonna go apply by the
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Speaker 1: seat of his pants. So that environment I think was
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Speaker 1: perfect for him. And then obviously he knew whatever he
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Speaker 1: said was gonna get picked up the local media. Folker
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Speaker 1: there as well. I think that was the first time
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Speaker 1: to truly interact in person with him, so a lot
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Speaker 1: of news came out of that too. So yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: locked in. Everybody I think is fired up at least
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Speaker 1: right now. And let's see what happens the next couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, because once he's acquiring talent, as he said,
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Speaker 1: as the next big thing on the checklist, got the
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Speaker 1: staff in here, elite staff. Now you have to go
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Speaker 1: acquired talent. That's the that's the real test movement ahead.
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Speaker 1: He's a culture builder and he knows that there is
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Speaker 1: an element of getting people in the city, fans the
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Speaker 1: area excited that will translate over the players as well.
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Speaker 1: If if there's energy and excitement, that's got to be
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Speaker 1: better for you know, a Brandon Linder when he's walking
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Speaker 1: around the town Center and I don't do that name out,
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Speaker 1: but any young player who's saying, hey, we're you know,
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Speaker 1: this is different. This is not what we've been through
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Speaker 1: in the past. So um, it's really helps sell tickets.
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Speaker 1: But I also think just generally, he believes that the
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Speaker 1: energy around a situation is very important. Uh. And as
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Speaker 1: we've seen, none of us had really been around herb
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Speaker 1: and I think JP had been around him a little
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Speaker 1: bit Tangary college football, so knew little bit more about him.
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Speaker 1: The communication and the ability to connect with people is
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Speaker 1: off the charts, and to me, that's what coaching is.
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Speaker 1: And he sure got that. Um. Do you imagine him
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Speaker 1: sitting in your living room recruiting you or your son's
15:16
Speaker 1: about just touch on it from from a Jacksonville perspective.
15:22
Speaker 1: I spoke to the Oceanside Rotary Club last week and
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Speaker 1: the energy level for what this means for Jacksonville, not
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Speaker 1: not just not just having Trevor Lawrence and an Urban
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Speaker 1: Meyer together, but raising the interest level in Jacksonville and
15:38
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Um, it's so significant from where they were
15:44
Speaker 1: a year ago, at this moment where you just knew
15:46
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be good, to where you know
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Speaker 1: it's going to be nothing but good. Um. And I look,
15:54
Speaker 1: you can throw all the cold water on it you want.
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Speaker 1: This thing is set up to explode and in a
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Speaker 1: very positive way to shoot up and lift Jacksonville with it,
16:05
Speaker 1: businesses in the real estate market and attention. And it's
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Speaker 1: it's just really good. And and it's a huttern eighty
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Speaker 1: degrees from where it was days ago. So JP take
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Speaker 1: it away. Your big things are so here we are.
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Speaker 1: The negotiating window will open at noon Monday. So I say,
16:24
Speaker 1: tamper like crazy, because you are the big dog in
16:28
Speaker 1: the off season if you're the Jaguars, a big cat,
16:30
Speaker 1: I guess if you will, because whatever make a splash
16:34
Speaker 1: if you feel like you need to right away. But
16:38
Speaker 1: you also need to spend wisely, not just for this year. Yes,
16:41
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money in the cat but value
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Speaker 1: for the future. Just it's not especially about this season,
16:48
Speaker 1: though it would be nice to really turn things around
16:50
Speaker 1: right away. It's about two, three, four years from now,
16:54
Speaker 1: making sure you can still do business in the NFL
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Speaker 1: to three or four years from now. Part of that
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Speaker 1: might be, you know, maybe tapping the brakes a little bit,
17:02
Speaker 1: not being as impulsive of a buyer, uh, in free
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Speaker 1: agency and so, yeah, go tamper with everybody you can
17:10
Speaker 1: because it's legal, and you can go throw something out
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Speaker 1: and see if it sticks and go fish and see
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Speaker 1: what happens. But um, don't you know, I don't think
17:19
Speaker 1: you have to throw the entire bank out the first
17:21
Speaker 1: two days, Yeah, I thought. Uh. Trent Balky, being a
17:26
Speaker 1: general manager, was very cautious when he spoke to the
17:29
Speaker 1: media last week and two or three different times just
17:32
Speaker 1: sort of made the point he's not gonna, you know,
17:34
Speaker 1: obviously not going to give away their plan, but there
17:37
Speaker 1: was a smidge of insight when he said they certainly
17:41
Speaker 1: planned to spend the cap over a three year period. Well,
17:46
Speaker 1: it tells me don't be surprised if we don't spend
17:49
Speaker 1: to it this year, We're gonna spend it over three
17:51
Speaker 1: year period. And it sort of told you that that's
17:54
Speaker 1: how they're going to approach things throughout is is a
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Speaker 1: a three year plan and read and absolutely having to
18:01
Speaker 1: maximize the cap every that's smart. But I thought, I thought,
18:04
Speaker 1: I thought for that media availability, that was the greatest
18:08
Speaker 1: insight I thought he shared. I Uh, I said this
18:11
Speaker 1: last week. I'll say it again. You're gonna have three
18:13
Speaker 1: years here with with Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract,
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Speaker 1: and then you're going to set the market. So anything
18:20
Speaker 1: that you do needs to put you in a position
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Speaker 1: that when you set the market, you've got your team
18:25
Speaker 1: taken care of, right, You've got the players under contract
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Speaker 1: that you want to grow with him. Um, because we
18:31
Speaker 1: assume that over the next three years they're also going
18:34
Speaker 1: to change from the top of the draft more towards
18:37
Speaker 1: the bottom of the draft if this thing goes the
18:39
Speaker 1: way that we think that it's going to go. So
18:41
Speaker 1: you're going to have to be able to draft better. Right,
18:46
Speaker 1: every pick you're gonna have to need to hit on,
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Speaker 1: but your cap is gonna have to be in great shape.
18:49
Speaker 1: You have these three years to do it? Do it? Um.
18:52
Speaker 1: Reading Peter King's column on Monday morning, and he just
18:54
Speaker 1: kind of went through the laundry list of the home
18:57
Speaker 1: run grand Slam attempts at the very first moments of
19:00
Speaker 1: free agency, and we know all we all know them,
19:03
Speaker 1: and and how how badly some of them have exploded. Um,
19:07
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't mind at all to see them
19:09
Speaker 1: sit back a little bit this week and find a
19:12
Speaker 1: guy that they want and not go out and set
19:15
Speaker 1: the market. And well there's the jag wars again. You know,
19:16
Speaker 1: they're paying above the market, which is what this team
19:19
Speaker 1: has had to do in the past. You don't really
19:21
Speaker 1: need to do it about Balkis comments kind of go
19:24
Speaker 1: to that, Um, find a guy, get the guy, get
19:26
Speaker 1: him at a deal that you can live with for
19:28
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. Yeah, it's not a terrible
19:30
Speaker 1: thing to not be in the news this week. Well,
19:33
Speaker 1: I think most people are starting to come to the
19:34
Speaker 1: idea that the market isn't going to be what the
19:36
Speaker 1: market was because of the salary cap constriction. So people
19:39
Speaker 1: who are fun to be in the news and exciting
19:41
Speaker 1: and all that, but that's the fun part of it.
19:43
Speaker 1: But in the long run. A lot of times that
19:46
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. I'll finish up big things with this
19:49
Speaker 1: and that is that the decision to tag Cam Robinson,
19:53
Speaker 1: and I think you guys know I didn't. I wasn't
19:55
Speaker 1: for it. I didn't think you needed to do that. Um.
19:58
Speaker 1: I thought you could have got him on a two
19:59
Speaker 1: or three year deal. But that's that's me on the outside.
20:01
Speaker 1: I'm not in their room. Tells me what they think
20:04
Speaker 1: of the roster. John. Um, they don't need to go
20:06
Speaker 1: and spend ridiculously for Trent Williams, who's the best offensive
20:11
Speaker 1: tackle and a guy who over the next three years
20:13
Speaker 1: would certainly protect your rookie quarterback if that's what you're
20:16
Speaker 1: looking for. Uh. The fact that Norwell who again he's
20:19
Speaker 1: got the tie to Urban Meyer. Um, you know, but
20:22
Speaker 1: they do a fair deal with him, that they're bringing
20:25
Speaker 1: back Trey Herndon and Tyler Shadley. But Cam Robinson sort
20:28
Speaker 1: of started that in motion. This was not a great roster,
20:34
Speaker 1: but it also wasn't the worst roster I've ever seen
20:36
Speaker 1: in twenty eight years of doing this. There were some
20:38
Speaker 1: solid players who could have been better performers with consistent
20:42
Speaker 1: quarterback play and they're telling you right now there are
20:45
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that they like that they want
20:48
Speaker 1: to put in a position with better quarterback play to
20:50
Speaker 1: succeed the move on. Cam Robinson told me, Okay, they
20:54
Speaker 1: know they gotta get a lot better. They were one
20:55
Speaker 1: in fifteen, think of the number one pick. However, they
20:58
Speaker 1: like some of these guys on this roster, and they
21:00
Speaker 1: don't think it is a cut and gut, which happens
21:03
Speaker 1: a lot when you're dealing with the one in fifteen team.
21:06
Speaker 1: You just start flushing guys out. They like this roster. Yeah,
21:09
Speaker 1: this is uh so far much different than when the
21:13
Speaker 1: last regime took over and all of a sudden you
21:15
Speaker 1: turned around and guys like Darryl Smith and Machine Mathis
21:17
Speaker 1: were at being cut. Uh however you felt about those moves.
21:22
Speaker 1: But um, certainly it appears from the comments last week.
21:27
Speaker 1: We really haven't talked since Meyron Balky spoke offensive line
21:32
Speaker 1: they like and they've backed that up. They're gonna add
21:36
Speaker 1: speed and impact play at wide receiver and tight in.
21:41
Speaker 1: There's no question we're gonna get to that later. I mean,
21:43
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and at running back. Um, So, I think
21:49
Speaker 1: they like the foundation of what's going on, especially on offense,
21:53
Speaker 1: and it feels like they know they need to add
21:55
Speaker 1: some pop and sizzle to the pop and sizzle positions.
21:59
Speaker 1: And I think it's I mean multiple times coach Meyer
22:02
Speaker 1: has talked about that it's coaching and not players, and
22:05
Speaker 1: it's the coaches job, and we look at them first.
22:07
Speaker 1: So it's almost like he kind of wants to take
22:09
Speaker 1: a good look at this roster and see what he
22:10
Speaker 1: can do with it and not just gut it, because
22:13
Speaker 1: like he said many times, it's really not the players
22:15
Speaker 1: that we're looking at right now. Well, when you gout,
22:18
Speaker 1: you have to go. If you I mean when you
22:22
Speaker 1: released you had, you had, and I try to get
22:28
Speaker 1: those guys back something to that level to be competitive.
22:31
Speaker 1: You could gut it and get rid of some salary
22:33
Speaker 1: I mean not massive salaries, right, but I mean you're
22:35
Speaker 1: ben to pay Tyler Shatley more than a million dollars,
22:37
Speaker 1: you know, for where he is vested in this thing,
22:39
Speaker 1: and Trey Herndon is up there after a couple of
22:41
Speaker 1: years in the league. You could get younger and cheaper,
22:45
Speaker 1: but they're not choosing necessarily to do that, and not
22:48
Speaker 1: because they've got money to spend but because they think
22:50
Speaker 1: that's the best way to put a winning product on
22:53
Speaker 1: the field. This year, these we'renna talking about star players,
22:55
Speaker 1: we're talking about good players. When it was just such
23:00
Speaker 1: a young team. Well, that's the danger year, exactly right.
23:04
Speaker 1: The danger is if you got a Hernon and Shatley,
23:08
Speaker 1: for example, and replace them with the rookie free agent version,
23:13
Speaker 1: because they were both rookie free agents and they came in.
23:16
Speaker 1: If you replace the guy who's become a veteran from
23:20
Speaker 1: that starting point to the guy who's again at that
23:23
Speaker 1: starting point, well then all of a sudden, you're throwing
23:25
Speaker 1: out a team that when they're out there, they're lost
23:27
Speaker 1: in their own competitive And we see what we saw
23:29
Speaker 1: in twos and thirteen. So you have to have some
23:32
Speaker 1: veterans around the roster, even if you think you're developing,
23:36
Speaker 1: to allow the guys around them who are developing to develop.
23:39
Speaker 1: You can't be all youth. I think we, you know,
23:42
Speaker 1: as Jaguars observers, we saw the result of that in
23:45
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. It wasn't good here. And to go
23:48
Speaker 1: back to the point that they were some consistent quarterback
23:51
Speaker 1: play away from winning some games. Remember they they had
23:54
Speaker 1: six one score losses this year. Now, that's what the
23:57
Speaker 1: way the league is set up. A lot of times
23:59
Speaker 1: bad football teams don't get that close. A lot of
24:01
Speaker 1: times they were over time one time. So yes, there
24:04
Speaker 1: are some core pieces they can build around at least
24:07
Speaker 1: move it ahead. Well, I mean you look at it.
24:08
Speaker 1: I mean the Browns made the playoffs, the Vikings made
24:10
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they played well against those two teams
24:13
Speaker 1: late in the year when they were bouncing between quarterbacks. So, yeah,
24:17
Speaker 1: they were one in fifteen, but they weren't. This sounds
24:21
Speaker 1: stupid to say they weren't as bad as one in fifteen.
24:24
Speaker 1: Seemed right, Yeah, they seemed it all right. So individually though,
24:30
Speaker 1: there are some guys that that could have played better
24:32
Speaker 1: about yeah, better quarterbacks played that's the better way to
24:35
Speaker 1: say that. All right. The best way to say this
24:37
Speaker 1: is time for did you hear this? And it's where
24:40
Speaker 1: we go back and reexamine a thought to comment an
24:45
Speaker 1: interview from last week and you talk to Peter Stregers
24:49
Speaker 1: we all know from a Good Morning Football and uh,
24:53
Speaker 1: here's a clip from last week, and of course you
24:54
Speaker 1: can find it on Jaguars dot Com. I'm all in.
24:58
Speaker 1: I I usually am a load of caution and skepticism
25:02
Speaker 1: on our show, and I'm very often the web blanket
25:04
Speaker 1: over and let's slow down, let's him pore we before
25:07
Speaker 1: we go nuts over this guy. But Trevor Lawrence, he's
25:10
Speaker 1: the outlier. Trevor Lawrence is awesome. It's shown us everything
25:13
Speaker 1: um physically gifted, smart, has dealt with all the pressure
25:17
Speaker 1: the last two years, and experience plays every year and
25:22
Speaker 1: such a huge colorings of delivering all of them. I
25:25
Speaker 1: think he's a cantinist. Protect Yeah, at this point, I
25:29
Speaker 1: think he's way behind Brian s Land in terms of
25:32
Speaker 1: being Lawrence. I was all in a year ago. He
25:36
Speaker 1: was he was in his eighth grade volleyball game. But yeah,
25:41
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's fascinating how little naysayers there are
25:50
Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. Usually there's always guys going, yeah, but yeah,
25:54
Speaker 1: but he can't do that. You just don't hear that.
25:57
Speaker 1: So Mel Kuiper had him as the fourth best quarterback
26:01
Speaker 1: he's ever evalued, and Mail has been doing this a
26:03
Speaker 1: long time. John Elway was number one, Peyton Manning, Andrew
26:06
Speaker 1: Luck and then Trevor Lawrence, and those are the those
26:10
Speaker 1: three are sort of the holy Trinity of quarterbacks since
26:12
Speaker 1: I've been around the league, And if mel Kuyper matters
26:15
Speaker 1: at all, and that list matters at all, he's the
26:17
Speaker 1: only quarterback who is eligible for this year's draft who
26:20
Speaker 1: is on that list. So I mean it's that's why
26:23
Speaker 1: you've got guys like Peter Schreger who were sold on it.
26:26
Speaker 1: So alright, time for everyone asks thirty seconds, guys, and
26:30
Speaker 1: Joe Portunado is going to enforce like the South Philly guy.
26:35
Speaker 1: He is right. He's gonna be a little Rocky Balboa,
26:38
Speaker 1: show up on your doorstep in a leather coat. Um, okay,
26:41
Speaker 1: with exactly I'll start, and that's who do you want
26:45
Speaker 1: entiled before the week is out? I'm going with Hunter Henry,
26:48
Speaker 1: the tight end from San Diego. I just I think
26:51
Speaker 1: this quarterback with a tight end in the middle of
26:54
Speaker 1: the field, as smart as this quarterback is, I think
26:56
Speaker 1: the tight end is going to be a huge game
26:58
Speaker 1: breaker for this club. So I'll say Hunter Henry on
27:01
Speaker 1: a a reasonable deal, although if you're gonna pay him,
27:04
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be all that reasonable. I'll go to
27:06
Speaker 1: the same direction. I'll go Johnny Smith because tight end,
27:10
Speaker 1: I think tight end is what you're looking for is
27:14
Speaker 1: what people want to see. I agree with you. You know,
27:18
Speaker 1: my sense is that Hunter Henry may not be the
27:23
Speaker 1: play because I don't know that they're going to automatically
27:26
Speaker 1: say we have to go get the top guy and
27:28
Speaker 1: pay the most. But that position certainly JP. Yeah, John
27:33
Speaker 1: stole mine, So I'm gonna stick with it John hu Smith,
27:35
Speaker 1: because Henry might be the top guy. John hu Smith
27:39
Speaker 1: has ripped this team before, and the decision makers, some
27:43
Speaker 1: of them were around here and I've seen that, so
27:46
Speaker 1: they see what he can do. They haven't had a
27:47
Speaker 1: tight end that's been productive here in a long long time.
27:50
Speaker 1: John hu Smith from the Titan. All right, I'm going
27:53
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, this is do it all guy, and he
27:55
Speaker 1: had a career. You're at just the right time and
27:58
Speaker 1: kind of sneaky. But the only receiver in the NFL
28:00
Speaker 1: with at least ten reception touchdowns and five rushing touchdowns
28:04
Speaker 1: over the past three seasons, played four and was recruited
28:09
Speaker 1: by Urban Meyer in college and we all have seen
28:12
Speaker 1: that works out. Some don't get me started. And he's young,
28:21
Speaker 1: by the way, he'll be on opening Day. Yeah, I
28:23
Speaker 1: gotta love the youth. Am I right, yeah, yes, as
28:26
Speaker 1: the youngest person in the room. Okay, JP, you're up next. Okay,
28:31
Speaker 1: here we go. How many years away until the Jaguars
28:35
Speaker 1: win the a f C South Championship? John, It depends
28:45
Speaker 1: on how many years you think Derrick Henry has left, right, Um,
28:49
Speaker 1: So I'll say three. I think they make a run
28:53
Speaker 1: towards it over the next two years. And I'll say
28:57
Speaker 1: in the in the third season of of of Trevor
29:02
Speaker 1: Lawrence starting, he'll start a run where they'll win a lot,
29:04
Speaker 1: maybe six or seven in ten years when Derrick Henry retires,
29:09
Speaker 1: I'll be okay with it. I just I can't pick
29:12
Speaker 1: them when that man is on the field. So how
29:14
Speaker 1: many terrible, terrible days have we had in Nashville where
29:17
Speaker 1: he is just bulldozed over everyone until you get a
29:19
Speaker 1: solid defensive line. I can't buy in. If you have
29:24
Speaker 1: a two three score lead on the Titans, they can't
29:27
Speaker 1: run the ball with Henry all day. Remember that, JP,
29:30
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. It continues to be. I know
29:33
Speaker 1: I was there too, all right, terrible? All right? Am
29:39
Speaker 1: I the only one who is concerned about this secondary?
29:42
Speaker 1: Can you make that a successful unit in an off
29:46
Speaker 1: season like we said d J. Hayden, don't expect him
29:49
Speaker 1: to be back. You have Trey Hearn and you have c. J. Henderson, safety,
29:53
Speaker 1: Daniel Thomas, Jared Wilson, Andrew Wingard. I'm not sold with that.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I get that you can add for agency, you
29:59
Speaker 1: can add some draft picks, but as a whole, I
30:01
Speaker 1: feel like that unit needs so much work and I
30:04
Speaker 1: don't know if you can fix it in one off season.
30:07
Speaker 1: Brian Well, I think if you go and add a
30:09
Speaker 1: veteran safety um resigned Sydney Jones, you know, you you
30:14
Speaker 1: give yourself a platform to build on. I mean, John,
30:17
Speaker 1: you've been talking about them adding a corner somewhere in
30:20
Speaker 1: the first couple of picks of the draft. So assuming
30:23
Speaker 1: that you've got something there, you know, I might go
30:25
Speaker 1: swing at and Anthony Harris as a as a safety
30:28
Speaker 1: from Minnesota and put him with Daniel Thomas and say, Okay,
30:31
Speaker 1: I'm fixed in the middle now, and I've got C. J.
30:33
Speaker 1: Henderson that I like. I think I'm gonna get better.
30:35
Speaker 1: Let's say let's focus safety and free agency and corner
30:43
Speaker 1: early in the draft. Uh, if it's the right fit,
30:48
Speaker 1: could make Slyn feel a lot better about secondary very
30:51
Speaker 1: quickly because you've got Herndon now as your depth nickel.
30:56
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson's okay next to another veteran who is what
31:00
Speaker 1: he's doing back there. It's not elite yet, but it
31:03
Speaker 1: would make you feel better about it. What is the
31:06
Speaker 1: definition of success in the secondary? I think we need
31:09
Speaker 1: to figure that out as well. But I'm kind of
31:11
Speaker 1: with John here veteran in the middle, and then go
31:14
Speaker 1: young on the outside. And you know Herndon has already
31:18
Speaker 1: signed back kind of like him. Wilson has been around.
31:22
Speaker 1: He's a good piece to have back there, and maybe
31:24
Speaker 1: one of the other guys who has been around the
31:26
Speaker 1: last year or so, because you need players there. If
31:29
Speaker 1: they're not playing in the secondary, they're playing on special teams.
31:32
Speaker 1: You can always use secondary players a number of different ways.
31:36
Speaker 1: But I'm successful. I think it's a big question. You're
31:41
Speaker 1: successfully complete your in your answer, Joe Twilight A you
31:45
Speaker 1: all right, and we'll finish with John uh Urban wants
31:49
Speaker 1: speed and explosive in us the receiver made that clear.
31:52
Speaker 1: How much does that change your thought on free agency
31:55
Speaker 1: in the draft? Meaning how much you know were you
31:58
Speaker 1: thinking that that was going to be a p already
32:00
Speaker 1: before and which direction do you think they go to
32:04
Speaker 1: try to fill that? Brian Well, Um, there are receivers
32:09
Speaker 1: in this draft, speedy receivers. The kid from Purdue ron
32:12
Speaker 1: Dale Moore will probably be there somewhere in that range. Um,
32:18
Speaker 1: I don't think I touch it in free agency. I
32:20
Speaker 1: think I touch it in the draft because it can
32:22
Speaker 1: be expansive in free a ridiculous in the draft. That yeah,
32:27
Speaker 1: I will say my thought process changed a bit after
32:31
Speaker 1: Trent Fulkies press conference when he was talking about the
32:33
Speaker 1: running backs and saying how you have to add more explosiveness,
32:36
Speaker 1: stating the obviously you have to have less carries for
32:38
Speaker 1: James Robinson saying you can only ride a horse for
32:41
Speaker 1: so long. So I did always think they were going
32:44
Speaker 1: to address running back, But now I think they will
32:46
Speaker 1: address it sooner rather than later. Right, So I'll ask
32:49
Speaker 1: you about wide receiver, which was the question. Ah, I
32:52
Speaker 1: thought we were just talking about JP. If you could
32:55
Speaker 1: see the look on schn space, I've insulted that was
32:58
Speaker 1: a good point. She is sending darts the way of ocean.
33:02
Speaker 1: Do you think, to my point, do you think that
33:06
Speaker 1: they will address wide receiver in the draft? Now? Yes,
33:08
Speaker 1: I always thought they did though, that was just I
33:11
Speaker 1: thought obvious. John, I think we mentioned the name earlier, Samuel,
33:19
Speaker 1: I think you can get him. If you can get him,
33:21
Speaker 1: it might cost a little money you draft one anyway.
33:24
Speaker 1: On top of it, remember they only the players that
33:28
Speaker 1: contributed at wide receiver last year. They are really about
33:31
Speaker 1: three of them that are going to be I think
33:33
Speaker 1: back on the roster after free agency opens, at least start.
33:36
Speaker 1: So if you want speed, go get speed a couple
33:40
Speaker 1: of different places, and don't be scared to have too
33:42
Speaker 1: much speed on your team. Speed at running back. He
33:45
Speaker 1: can get twilighted at that. He went unto he's following
33:48
Speaker 1: the rules. That is kind of edgy. Twilight quick quick
33:53
Speaker 1: trigger finger. Yeah, no, we're done. It's the stars, right,
33:59
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what we start to see the
34:01
Speaker 1: first phases of what Urban Myers team is gonna look like.
34:04
Speaker 1: It's excited, it canna be fun. Big week, John, Jiffy,
34:09
Speaker 1: Ashlan Joe, have a great week. You and Buddy h