Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 489: Foundations - Muzzleloader Hunting Strategies
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
- 0:11Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to Hunt
- 0:14Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today's show
- 0:18Speaker 1: is all about muzzleloaders and how to kill a buck.
- 0:21Speaker 1: As the late season officially kicks in, and I realized
- 0:37Speaker 1: that there are early muzzleloader seasons in a few states.
- 0:39Speaker 1: I think I always got one in Kansas, and plenty
- 0:42Speaker 1: of folks down cells are also kind of just getting
- 0:44Speaker 1: started hunting with their bows or their center fire rifles.
- 0:47Speaker 1: Whether your muzzleloader season is going on right now, or
- 0:50Speaker 1: it's about to start, or maybe it's a few weeks
- 0:52Speaker 1: or a month away. I hope you get something out
- 0:54Speaker 1: of this episode. Not actually scratch that, I hope you
- 0:57Speaker 1: get something out of the next two episode. My introduction
- 1:11Speaker 1: to muzzleoader hunting, as it was the case with almost
- 1:15Speaker 1: all of my hunting, came from my father. He's one
- 1:17Speaker 1: of those guys who loves bow honey, but also really
- 1:21Speaker 1: really loves shooting guns. He's into the precision game. I
- 1:24Speaker 1: don't know how much paper he punches every year at
- 1:26Speaker 1: the range, but it's a lot, or at least it
- 1:29Speaker 1: was until ammo became as scarce as two bucks on
- 1:31Speaker 1: public land in Florida. So about I don't know, fifteen
- 1:34Speaker 1: sixteen years ago, he mentioned that we should probably try
- 1:37Speaker 1: muzzleoader hunting, so he bought a cheap kit muzzle order,
- 1:41Speaker 1: one of those I don't know, two D muzzleloaders that
- 1:44Speaker 1: you buy and they come in the big plastic thing
- 1:46Speaker 1: like you would uh, I don't know, a a pair of
- 1:47Speaker 1: scissors or something. And since you could only use open
- 1:50Speaker 1: sites in Minnesota, then he figured he wouldn't be out
- 1:52Speaker 1: too much buying one of those kit guns. But it
- 1:56Speaker 1: was a gun, and since it was a gun, he
- 1:58Speaker 1: liked it. I did too. It wasn't long before there
- 2:01Speaker 1: were a few more muzzloaders laying around and we were
- 2:03Speaker 1: out hunting with them. It also wasn't long before I
- 2:06Speaker 1: figured out the hunting with a smoke pole wasn't as
- 2:08Speaker 1: easy as I expected it to be. I'm sure it
- 2:11Speaker 1: was pure cockiness on my part to think that I
- 2:14Speaker 1: could just go out and kill one with a gun.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Because I kind of frequently killed deer with a bow
- 2:19Speaker 1: back then, I thought i'd be able to clean out
- 2:21Speaker 1: the woods just because I had a gun, and even
- 2:24Speaker 1: though it had you know, somewhat limited range and iron sights,
- 2:28Speaker 1: I was still probably too cocky and I was wrong.
- 2:31Speaker 1: This might come as a surprise to some of you listeners,
- 2:34Speaker 1: but some of the best moves I've made as a
- 2:35Speaker 1: hunter have come from getting shipped so wrong it's embarrassing.
- 2:39Speaker 1: This was one of those things. With my early four
- 2:41Speaker 1: rays into muzzleloader land. I just went out and sat
- 2:44Speaker 1: on the food. I figured with a hundred yard ish
- 2:47Speaker 1: weapon and low standards, I only needed to get on
- 2:50Speaker 1: a cut corn field and wait for the sun to set.
- 2:52Speaker 1: The problem with my plan was that I tried it
- 2:55Speaker 1: first on a farm that gets absolutely pounded during bow
- 2:58Speaker 1: and the regular gun season. While I'll get into this
- 3:01Speaker 1: later in far more depth on some future episodes, let
- 3:05Speaker 1: me just say this about late season advice. If someone
- 3:08Speaker 1: tells you that all you have to do is sit
- 3:09Speaker 1: on a food source and wait for the rut starved
- 3:11Speaker 1: bucks to show up, punch them right in the throat.
- 3:14Speaker 1: You don't need those kind of lies in your life.
- 3:17Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. No physical violence. Please, Instead, kindly remind
- 3:22Speaker 1: them that you're hunting in the real world, and it's
- 3:24Speaker 1: not so simple because pressure deer don't follow the same
- 3:27Speaker 1: rules as unpressured deer. This is the problem with any
- 3:31Speaker 1: deer hunting advice, and that it tends to kind of
- 3:33Speaker 1: gloss over our individual realities because it really has no
- 3:36Speaker 1: other choice. In my individual reality, when I started muzzled
- 3:40Speaker 1: or hunting was that I bought into the tall tale
- 3:43Speaker 1: that food was king and it would override the dear
- 3:45Speaker 1: sense of survival as the hangover from the gun season
- 3:48Speaker 1: faded and the real Minnesota cold set in. What actually
- 3:52Speaker 1: happened was that the deer that were left had been
- 3:55Speaker 1: scared into patterns that didn't make them want to show
- 3:58Speaker 1: themselves during daylight hours. This doesn't take too long to
- 4:02Speaker 1: figure out. If you have snow and then you sit
- 4:04Speaker 1: on the edge of a field and you don't see deer,
- 4:08Speaker 1: the snow will show you the tracks, the field won't
- 4:11Speaker 1: show you the deer, and a whole lot of nocturnal
- 4:14Speaker 1: feeding becomes pretty obvious. But those deer have to get
- 4:17Speaker 1: there somehow, and they have to leave from there somehow,
- 4:20Speaker 1: and that's where you kill them, or at least that's
- 4:23Speaker 1: where I started killing them. Does any of this sound familiar.
- 4:26Speaker 1: It probably should. In past episodes, when I've talked about
- 4:29Speaker 1: bow hunting pressure deer, it's been all about figuring out
- 4:32Speaker 1: where they like to walk and then getting in there
- 4:34Speaker 1: to kill them. With gun hunting, the same rules apply.
- 4:38Speaker 1: As a hunter, figuring out where deer are going to
- 4:41Speaker 1: walk during daylight hours is like nineties three percent of
- 4:44Speaker 1: your job. It's your number one priority, and it doesn't
- 4:47Speaker 1: matter what advice you've been given from some random hunting celebrities.
- 4:51Speaker 1: What matters is what you see in your own world,
- 4:55Speaker 1: in your own chosen woods. If the deer run to
- 4:58Speaker 1: the alfalfa field to mow down two hours before dark
- 5:01Speaker 1: and they show you that, then you know what to do.
- 5:04Speaker 1: If they don't, or a few of them show up
- 5:06Speaker 1: within the last few minutes of legal shooting light, then
- 5:08Speaker 1: you know you've got to figure out where they are
- 5:10Speaker 1: coming from and how you can get in there to
- 5:12Speaker 1: get on them. How I figured out how to do
- 5:15Speaker 1: this for myself was by reverting right back to my
- 5:18Speaker 1: favorite thing, staging areas. This was largely a happy accident,
- 5:23Speaker 1: by simply just defaultings of some of my bow stands
- 5:26Speaker 1: after flaming out on the field. Edge hunts with my muzzleloader.
- 5:29Speaker 1: You guys know that I love staging areas, and when
- 5:32Speaker 1: it comes to early muzzleloader failures, I realized I need
- 5:35Speaker 1: to get into the cover and start watching. This was
- 5:39Speaker 1: easiest to accomplish by going to stands I already had
- 5:43Speaker 1: up that took advantage of the cover. What I saw
- 5:46Speaker 1: eventually was at the bucks and does that were left
- 5:49Speaker 1: after gun season. They would move, and they do it
- 5:53Speaker 1: in daylight some, but it would always be in the cover.
- 5:57Speaker 1: This didn't mean I had to get right in on
- 5:59Speaker 1: a sanctuary with them, like during the heart of guns season,
- 6:03Speaker 1: but it meant that I had to be somewhere between
- 6:04Speaker 1: that and the food in the morning. The same strategy worked.
- 6:08Speaker 1: I just had to reverse the likely deer travel and
- 6:11Speaker 1: pay real close attention to my entrance roads and the
- 6:14Speaker 1: impression I made on the deer while getting in there.
- 6:17Speaker 1: This sounds simple, right, and it can be. If you've
- 6:20Speaker 1: got conditions like powdery snow that lets you sneak in quietly,
- 6:25Speaker 1: then it can be easy. But if you've got a
- 6:27Speaker 1: sheet of icy snow covering that powder, that sounds kind
- 6:31Speaker 1: of like you're stomping on a bag of potato chips
- 6:33Speaker 1: With every step, your results may vary. If you can't
- 6:36Speaker 1: get to your stand without learning the nearby deer, it's
- 6:39Speaker 1: freaking over. The survivors don't tolerate mistakes, and it's really
- 6:44Speaker 1: easy to make a mistake during many of the conditions
- 6:48Speaker 1: in which we find ourselves muzzle or hunting. Ditto for
- 6:51Speaker 1: late season bow hunts. Earlier, when I said your number
- 6:54Speaker 1: one priority was finding where do you like to walk?
- 6:57Speaker 1: I kind of lied. This is part of it. It
- 7:00Speaker 1: because you sure as hell don't want to hunt where
- 7:02Speaker 1: dear don't like to walk. But just as importantly, you've
- 7:06Speaker 1: got to read the situation and decide if you can
- 7:08Speaker 1: get in without blowing everything up. There's two steps to this.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Find where the deer like to walk, figure out if
- 7:16Speaker 1: you can get in there. If you can't, you're in trouble.
- 7:21Speaker 1: This is tricky. I found that sometimes when the conditions
- 7:23Speaker 1: are loud, I mean really really loud, it's impossible to
- 7:27Speaker 1: hunt very well. This goes for late season white tails,
- 7:30Speaker 1: as well as pheasants, grouse, bunnies, and probably every prey
- 7:33Speaker 1: animal we hunt. This also means that if you plan
- 7:36Speaker 1: a muzzle oader hunt, you better obsessively check the weather.
- 7:40Speaker 1: Cold conditions often create noisy conditions, which means the mornings
- 7:45Speaker 1: or evenings, when hunting should theoretically be best for those
- 7:48Speaker 1: hungry deer that should be moving, will actually be worse
- 7:52Speaker 1: for the hungry two legged predators heading out there with
- 7:54Speaker 1: what used to be a primitive weapon and is now
- 7:56Speaker 1: not really so. But conditions vary a lot. You might
- 8:01Speaker 1: get a nice warm up in the mid day that
- 8:03Speaker 1: makes sneaking in easy, or you might get a pre
- 8:06Speaker 1: or post frontal wind blowing through that covers your noise
- 8:10Speaker 1: and your movement. This is why obsessing over the weather
- 8:13Speaker 1: and planning your sits around it really matters this time here.
- 8:17Speaker 1: If you hunt in snowy country, you might see that
- 8:20Speaker 1: a morning hunt is out because it's just too cold
- 8:22Speaker 1: and too crunchy. But the weather might break mid day,
- 8:25Speaker 1: or the sun might have just enough time to soften
- 8:27Speaker 1: things up for an afternoon sit where you can get
- 8:29Speaker 1: in quietly, so you have to plan accordingly. If you
- 8:33Speaker 1: hunt too far south to have to consider much or
- 8:35Speaker 1: any snow, you might still be dealing with cold weather
- 8:38Speaker 1: in the morning and warmer weather in the afternoon. This
- 8:41Speaker 1: might be the difference between crunchy frosty leaves and easier
- 8:45Speaker 1: to move in without detection wet leaf, litter, groundcover later.
- 8:50Speaker 1: I know that's a word salad, but what I mean
- 8:52Speaker 1: is when stuff's cold, it's noisy. When it's warm, it's
- 8:55Speaker 1: often not. That might mean the difference between crazy would
- 9:00Speaker 1: surface ice on a little stream or other wetland at
- 9:03Speaker 1: seven am in the morning, but a different quiet or
- 9:07Speaker 1: open water type of thing at two in the afternoon.
- 9:11Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned on here and other podcasts I've
- 9:15Speaker 1: been on about a billion times about how hunters love
- 9:18Speaker 1: excuses to not hunt, but some are legit conditions you
- 9:23Speaker 1: simply can't overcome, especially on pressure. Deer are some of them.
- 9:28Speaker 1: Sometimes sleeping in is the right thing to do, even
- 9:30Speaker 1: if that doesn't fig your m oh throughout the rest
- 9:32Speaker 1: of the season. Or better yet, you can just set
- 9:36Speaker 1: yourself up with some backup options. This might sound familiar
- 9:39Speaker 1: to and if it doesn't, I urge you to go
- 9:41Speaker 1: back and listen to my earlier scouting episodes of this podcast.
- 9:45Speaker 1: We dropped all summer long, having backup plans, having backup
- 9:49Speaker 1: stand sites, and even backup properties. Moolle importante mi amigoes.
- 9:55Speaker 1: When it comes to conditions where you just feel like
- 9:58Speaker 1: you can't overcome them, then you shouldn't hunt there in
- 10:02Speaker 1: that spot. Maybe there is another location that allows for
- 10:06Speaker 1: quieter access. Maybe it's a stand closer to a busy road,
- 10:10Speaker 1: or maybe you can just go glass some of your
- 10:12Speaker 1: ground from a safe distance. Do some observation. As common
- 10:17Speaker 1: as it is for hunters to decide they're being smart
- 10:19Speaker 1: by not hunting due to the litany of reasons, others
- 10:23Speaker 1: will hunt no matter what, this is just as bad
- 10:26Speaker 1: and might be a little worse if you don't have
- 10:29Speaker 1: too many options. If you hunt public land much, you'll
- 10:32Speaker 1: see all kinds of folks who are hunting when and
- 10:35Speaker 1: where they probably shouldn't be. That's the game out there,
- 10:38Speaker 1: So no matter what, crunch crunch, crunching your way into
- 10:41Speaker 1: the heart of the best cover on the property, to
- 10:44Speaker 1: take the smoke poll for a walk because it's a
- 10:46Speaker 1: Saturday morning and you want to hunt. That can cause
- 10:49Speaker 1: a lot of damage to your season. Be careful with
- 10:53Speaker 1: how easy it is to skip hunts or how die
- 10:56Speaker 1: hard you are when you absolutely have to hunt no
- 10:58Speaker 1: matter what. While they're on opposite ends of the spectrum,
- 11:02Speaker 1: the end result is often terrible hunting. Of course, in
- 11:06Speaker 1: addition to making too much noise on the way in
- 11:08Speaker 1: and out, there's also the issue of hiding from deer.
- 11:12Speaker 1: It's easy to be a gun hunter who doesn't value
- 11:15Speaker 1: this aspect because of the range of the modern rifle
- 11:18Speaker 1: and the prevalence of box blinds. I'm not knocking either,
- 11:22Speaker 1: just saying they kind of make it possible to wear
- 11:24Speaker 1: blue jeans and hockey jersey and go out and kill deer.
- 11:27Speaker 1: You might also muzzleloader hunt from one of those blinds
- 11:30Speaker 1: in that type of situation, and if you do, good
- 11:32Speaker 1: for you, but remember pay attention to what to the
- 11:35Speaker 1: deer show you. I've seen quite a few of my
- 11:37Speaker 1: hunting buddies by big box blinds and put them on
- 11:40Speaker 1: food plots, thinking that will be the end of any
- 11:42Speaker 1: work they need to do to kill stuff. Sometimes that works,
- 11:46Speaker 1: but a lot of times, by the time the muzzleloader
- 11:48Speaker 1: season rolls around, the deer awful clued into the big
- 11:52Speaker 1: green tower blind and what may be hiding in it.
- 11:55Speaker 1: If you don't have that option, or if you just
- 11:57Speaker 1: don't want to use it, you're going to half to hide.
- 12:01Speaker 1: A scoped muzzleoader can allow you to reach out and
- 12:03Speaker 1: touch them, but where you're going to find, Pressure Dear,
- 12:07Speaker 1: you might not need to dial it up to eleven,
- 12:09Speaker 1: so to speak. You'll probably be shooting them in close quarters,
- 12:12Speaker 1: which necessitates a little ninja work, just like bow hunting.
- 12:16Speaker 1: This is hard for a lot of folks to grasp
- 12:18Speaker 1: because it seems like any gun, even a front stuffer,
- 12:21Speaker 1: should allow you to climb into your favorite ladder stand
- 12:24Speaker 1: and pick them off when they pass through. But Pressure
- 12:27Speaker 1: Dear look for hunters on the ground and in the trees,
- 12:30Speaker 1: and they really look for them in the trees that
- 12:32Speaker 1: have had a ladder stand in them for seven years
- 12:34Speaker 1: and they've watched five of their buddies get shot out
- 12:35Speaker 1: of there. Where I'm going with this is the range
- 12:39Speaker 1: of the weapon can be used to your advantage. But
- 12:42Speaker 1: don't phone it in on your hides. If you go
- 12:45Speaker 1: to mobile route, which is a great way to fill
- 12:47Speaker 1: muzzle or tags, hide yourself just like you would on
- 12:50Speaker 1: a typical bow hunt, set up on the far side
- 12:53Speaker 1: of the tree from expected movement, or bury yourself in
- 12:56Speaker 1: a deadfall on the ground with situationally specific camouflage. Do
- 13:00Speaker 1: the work necessary to make the deer, do the work
- 13:03Speaker 1: necessary to catch you. In fact, that ground game is
- 13:07Speaker 1: a great way to hunt with a muzzle order because
- 13:09Speaker 1: you can really dig into the cover and use it
- 13:11Speaker 1: to your advantage, and you can buffer the wind a
- 13:13Speaker 1: little bit. This also makes it more comfortable a lot
- 13:17Speaker 1: of times, because there's nothing colder than sitting in a
- 13:19Speaker 1: tree stand when the north wind is blowing hard and
- 13:21Speaker 1: it's about seven degrees out. Plus you can use a
- 13:25Speaker 1: decent tripod and take a really steady shot, which isn't
- 13:28Speaker 1: always easy to do from a mobile tree stand or
- 13:30Speaker 1: a saddle set up. Also, make sure you've got another
- 13:35Speaker 1: round ready for the chamber if you catch my drift.
- 13:38Speaker 1: The very essence of a muzzleloader, not surprisingly, is that
- 13:42Speaker 1: it loads from the muzzle, or at least it did
- 13:44Speaker 1: until one adventurous manufacturer created a hybrid version recently that
- 13:49Speaker 1: loads an awful lot like a traditional rifle. If you
- 13:51Speaker 1: don't have one of those, you gotta dig out a primer,
- 13:54Speaker 1: some powder, and a slug. Have those handy and know
- 13:57Speaker 1: where they are. I've had more than a few you
- 14:00Speaker 1: blown shots of my muzzleloader that allowed for a follow
- 14:03Speaker 1: up shot, and let me tell you, there are a
- 14:05Speaker 1: few times in the woods that feel more urgent than that.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Maybe maybe when you've had taco bell the night before
- 14:12Speaker 1: along with about seven bush lights, and then the coffee
- 14:15Speaker 1: kicks in an hour into your sit things can get
- 14:17Speaker 1: a little more urgent. But barring poor choices like those,
- 14:22Speaker 1: the need to get things going. It's very real when
- 14:26Speaker 1: you've missed with a smoke pool and the deers still
- 14:28Speaker 1: standing there gotta be fast. Quick loader options are a
- 14:32Speaker 1: good way to go, but so is a system. What
- 14:35Speaker 1: pocket is your AMMO in? Can you get your gloves
- 14:37Speaker 1: off quickly and get the whole thing loaded correctly? Can
- 14:40Speaker 1: you do that in a ladder stand or on a
- 14:42Speaker 1: tiny portable stand. Sometimes you don't miss, but your spine
- 14:47Speaker 1: one and a follow up shot is necessary. Are you
- 14:50Speaker 1: capable of making that follow up shot as quickly as possible?
- 14:54Speaker 1: Know that, and for the love of God, please use
- 14:58Speaker 1: the rest. Part of the absolute beauty of hunting with
- 15:01Speaker 1: firearms is the ability to use a good, solid rest
- 15:04Speaker 1: like the tripod I just mentioned. That's a game changer
- 15:08Speaker 1: to the whole thing. And you'll rarely see someone with
- 15:11Speaker 1: a decade or two of successful gun hunting under his
- 15:14Speaker 1: or her belt who doesn't always look for a quality
- 15:17Speaker 1: rest in every shot situation and I mean every single
- 15:21Speaker 1: shot situation. Now. Lastly, when it comes to muzzle oder
- 15:25Speaker 1: hunting or I don't know, any hunting, really, make sure
- 15:28Speaker 1: to just pay attention. I know you're going to watch
- 15:32Speaker 1: any deer movement and take in all the deer sign
- 15:36Speaker 1: carefully so that you can get out of bucker. Done now.
- 15:39Speaker 1: But also some of that movement clues you into season
- 15:42Speaker 1: long travel patterns. With the woods open and the pressure
- 15:47Speaker 1: over the last several weeks so high. Those deer that
- 15:50Speaker 1: you do see, they're showing you where they want to
- 15:53Speaker 1: go or where they have to go, the travel routes
- 15:57Speaker 1: they take, the places they bed. Those clues tell you
- 16:02Speaker 1: a lot about their habits when they feel threatened. That's
- 16:05Speaker 1: valuable information. It's gold for anyone who wants to figure
- 16:09Speaker 1: out pressure deer, even maybe the deer that you don't
- 16:13Speaker 1: really care to shoot, like the solo button buck who
- 16:16Speaker 1: crosses an old fence in a certain spot in the
- 16:18Speaker 1: wood lot during December. That little guy, he tells you something.
- 16:22Speaker 1: The doe group that enters the field from a specific
- 16:24Speaker 1: point when the wind is out of the northwest, they're
- 16:27Speaker 1: telling you something too. And if you see a big buck,
- 16:30Speaker 1: now that's even better make note of everything he does
- 16:33Speaker 1: and figure out why he doesn't. Ask yourself to why.
- 16:37Speaker 1: It's not just that he's working towards the distant cornfield
- 16:40Speaker 1: at last light, but where is he coming from? How
- 16:44Speaker 1: is he going to get there? How's this body language?
- 16:47Speaker 1: Is he kg? Is he confident? Did he follow out
- 16:50Speaker 1: a for key that walked through fifteen minutes earlier? Pay
- 16:54Speaker 1: attention to what they give you because there is much
- 16:57Speaker 1: to learn from every deer sighting. And get that muzzle
- 17:00Speaker 1: are sited in because that's some of the most fun
- 17:02Speaker 1: you'll have all season. In fact, next week I'll give
- 17:05Speaker 1: you a part two on this and talk about some
- 17:07Speaker 1: of the hunting strategies that will allow you to really
- 17:09Speaker 1: enjoy your time in the field with the front stuffer.
- 17:14Speaker 1: That's it for this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson
- 17:16Speaker 1: and this has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast.
- 17:19Speaker 1: Please check out our wire to Hunt YouTube channel as
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- 17:26Speaker 1: more deer hunting tips, tactics and wisdom. And as always,
- 17:29Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening for the support. We
- 17:32Speaker 1: really appreciate it.