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Hayden Trobee: Tigerwine · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: All right, today we've got Hayden from Tiger Wine. Hayden,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a while. You were actually one of our
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  Speaker 1: first guests when we started, when Colin and I started
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  Speaker 1: doing the Blacksheet podcast as like an actual kind of
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  Speaker 1: like music podcast. You were one of our first guests,
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  Speaker 1: I think, even before we technically partnered with HM, which
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  Speaker 1: is really cool. So if you're a listener right now
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  Speaker 1: and you actually have listened to that episode four years
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  Speaker 1: ago now like in the middle of the pandemic, oof,
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  Speaker 1: you are, you're one of the two people in the
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  Speaker 1: world that have listened to that episode.
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  Speaker 2: Probably also if you're one of like the four people
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  Speaker 2: that well no is fuller. But we played the HM
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  Speaker 2: stage at a fest in like two thousand and seventeen
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  Speaker 2: or something, and they got really, really really mad at us.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the times where we were just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was a little little bit brutal. They like, why
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  Speaker 2: did they get mad at Well, we were now it's
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  Speaker 2: all HM got mad at you. I don't think HM
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  Speaker 2: themselves got mad at us. They may have by proxy.
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  Speaker 2: The front of house guy was not our biggest fan ever.
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  Speaker 2: We were kept on getting told to turn down and
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  Speaker 2: at the time, we were very like, you know, very
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  Speaker 2: like yeah exactly. Yeah, we were talking about the other day.
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  Speaker 2: We were just talking about like Steve, our guitar player,
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  Speaker 2: I'm best buddy, and I used to just grab our
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  Speaker 2: quarter inch cables and twist those like as if up
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  Speaker 2: front of ours. Guy's gonna be like, oh yeah, that's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I have no idea what this is. It's
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  Speaker 2: just so disrespectful. But yeah, we just we turned down
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  Speaker 2: a ton to the point where I was playing a
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  Speaker 2: PV Classic one hundred that like if you go below
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  Speaker 2: three o'clock it's off, and so it has to I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like its lowest volume is pretty damn loud, and so
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  Speaker 2: he was, Yeah, he was really mad at us. And
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  Speaker 2: we also did a feedback for a lot of our
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  Speaker 2: set at the time, like a lot of feedback effects
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. And I think, I think sometimes what can
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  Speaker 2: happen is like front of house people just go like,
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  Speaker 2: oh shit, we're gonna blow this thing up and I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna get in trouble, which I totally understand, Like I
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  Speaker 2: get it. At the time, we were not very understanding
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  Speaker 2: and not probably not very fun to mix on something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: But well, you know, what you haven't spoiled your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with HM with us at least, So there is that
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  Speaker 1: where this is the reason why we invited you back
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  Speaker 1: on word.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that'd be so funny. I no, do not
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  Speaker 2: have him back please, you know it.
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  Speaker 3: Was, it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: I I was looking on Reddit recently and a year
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  Speaker 4: ago there was a post on there that said, is
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  Speaker 4: tiger Wood even a thing anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Wood? Wait? Okay, first, has that ever? Has that ever
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  Speaker 1: happened before?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: No way had to reinvent a little bit. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're we're still going strong, baby.
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  Speaker 4: So so has anyone called you Tiger Woods before?
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  Speaker 2: Though?
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  Speaker 3: And so like I just did.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so when you say as it happened before, my
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  Speaker 2: mind goes to like we we were at one point
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  Speaker 2: scared we were ungoogleable because of that, which is hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's bands called like, you know, Helmet, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. But that was like we were all
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  Speaker 2: like obsessed with being Google proof when we first started out,
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  Speaker 2: and like that was one where we were always like, oh, dude,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be the one that gets us. Which it's
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  Speaker 2: such a silly thing to worry about, but yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I actually came across that subreddit. It's like it's like
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  Speaker 2: post hardcore I think is the sub and I went
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  Speaker 2: in there and I was like, hey, like, this is
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  Speaker 2: the nicest thing ever, and this is so cool that
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  Speaker 2: anybody cares like it's awesome. They're all so nice to
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  Speaker 2: us there like that that subreddit really likes us.
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  Speaker 4: It's dope they do. That's a great subrette. I usually
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  Speaker 4: lurk there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably two or three times.
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  Speaker 2: A week, you know, Yeah, I do now for sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now that you know that you have love there, that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: How has life been the last four years? It's kind
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: of hard to believe, Like we're in an entirely like
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  Speaker 1: different like presidential cycle now from the last time, Like
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: that's how long it is, Like like I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like one of those things where it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could have had a kid, and that kid like
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  Speaker 1: at this point now, since the last time we chatted,
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  Speaker 1: has had memories like that's how old they could be. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: since the last time we hung out that. What's life
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  Speaker 1: been like for these last four years?
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  Speaker 2: For you, man, it's been crazy, amazing, stressful. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been everything my daughter was would have been depending
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  Speaker 2: on a time of year. She would have been a
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  Speaker 2: one ish the last time we chatted, and she's she's five.
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  Speaker 2: Now she's uh yeah in kindergarten. Uh just like a
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  Speaker 2: little ball of energy all the time, like her mom
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  Speaker 2: and I just like have the heck of a time
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  Speaker 2: keeping up. And she's doing school and gymnastics and swimming,
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  Speaker 2: and she's hooked on playing hockey right now. She's like
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  Speaker 2: like so into it. One day she started begging us
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  Speaker 2: to play and now she's just like we can't keep
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  Speaker 2: her away. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So could she outskate you?
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  Speaker 2: No, not yet. No, I don't have that in me.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't let her, let her do that.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got that dog.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta show her who's your dad at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like the least fun dad at JV. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's super nuts. Like she was just we were in
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  Speaker 2: you know, keep keep this child alive and like your
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  Speaker 2: life's pretty much the same other than that last time
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  Speaker 2: we spoke, and now she's like she's a person. It's nuts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I at that point when we talked last, I think
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna do the band forever, and
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to start doing the band again,
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  Speaker 2: where we'll see what happens with the record and everything.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, now I because of everything shutting down and
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  Speaker 2: we had a million shows get canceled and stuff, we
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  Speaker 2: steve our guitar player, and I just jumped on computers
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  Speaker 2: and just basically learned logic and pro tools and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and now I licensed music for a living. And he
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  Speaker 2: just he just had a kid and so he just
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  Speaker 2: ended a whole thing where he moved out to Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City and he was working at a six studio out there,
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  Speaker 2: just engineering and doing all kinds of cool audio stuff
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  Speaker 2: out there is being a being a cool dude. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was like we started doing this just because we'd like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well the band will be back in a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And now we do that for a living, and we
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  Speaker 2: both have kids now and yeah, supernuts lots changed.
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  Speaker 3: And now it's been a bit, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, time has passed absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's like part of the reason why
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  Speaker 1: it's been four years? Like it just it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: something where it just takes a wild to come up
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  Speaker 1: with a new album for Tiger Wyan Whords because everybody's
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  Speaker 1: got their own thing that they're doing right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. I think it will. Definitely it'll
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  Speaker 2: be more that way with the next one, because I
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  Speaker 2: mean we're on uh with Tooth and Nail for one more,
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  Speaker 2: which is super fun, like we're you know, stoked to
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  Speaker 2: just like keep on doing stuff and not it. It's
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  Speaker 2: really fun to like write while you're not also worried
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  Speaker 2: about like keeping the band afloat and keeping momentum and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Obviously it would be a great problem
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  Speaker 2: to have again, we'll see, But this one, it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: A majority of this record was done in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: not done, but like written in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, because I remember you texted
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  Speaker 1: me at least it's probably been at least two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I remember you texted me and were like, hey, like
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  Speaker 1: new albums coming out and love the chat more about it,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like okay, like let's try to figure
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  Speaker 1: something out, and for whatever reason, like you know, communication stop.
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  Speaker 1: But then it was like, okay, I remember that happening,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like over a year later,
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  Speaker 1: and I still like, there's been nothing about the new album.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally, you know, like a couple of months
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  Speaker 1: ago is like when we finally started hearing about oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: there's like new Tiger Wine music. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like finally there were like that they're getting this stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: But I remember, it's like this stuff has been probably
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  Speaker 1: finished for.
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  Speaker 2: A while, right, It's been a minute. Yeah, we Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I think at one point we told tooth and Nail
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  Speaker 2: that we wanted to do a certain time and then
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  Speaker 2: we had life stuff happened and that changed, and then uh,
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  Speaker 2: there was also the turbulence also came from like I said,
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  Speaker 2: Steve moving out to Kansas City and he moved out
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  Speaker 2: there to work for Jeremy Wurst, our good buddy who
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  Speaker 2: did he uh engineered our last our last two, this
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  Speaker 2: one and the and Nothing Is for You, And he
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  Speaker 2: he was in the process basically of moving out there
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  Speaker 2: when we were tracking this one, and so we did
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  Speaker 2: drums and guitars and bass I think at Beat one
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  Speaker 2: for the studio in Kansas City, and then he was
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  Speaker 2: like moving his stuff back and forth, and so we
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  Speaker 2: did vocals at Jeremy studio and Lincoln in Nebraska and
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  Speaker 2: so and then Steve was out there, and so they
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  Speaker 2: were kind of like you know, throwing mixes back and
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  Speaker 2: forth and you know, everybody's notes and everything. And we
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  Speaker 2: had you know, we had lots of entities and you know, amazing, amazing,
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  Speaker 2: super talented friends play on the record and so everyone
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  Speaker 2: we wanted everybody to have input in notes and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So we just did it the long way. And then also,
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  Speaker 2: you know our friend Jeremy moving out there and having
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  Speaker 2: to like put a studio on his back. He's he
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  Speaker 2: you know, moved out having a studio manager job waiting
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  Speaker 2: for him, and then Steve going out to to help,
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  Speaker 2: you know, take that up off the ground. And so
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: we told him, we were like, hey, you know, any
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  Speaker 2: projects that you have that you need to help with
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: the studio's name getting out there and getting projects in
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  Speaker 2: and out the door, Like if you feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: between us and something else that's going to help the
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  Speaker 2: studio in the long term, like please just like we're
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: just hanging you know. It was not like we were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, waiting on anything crazy. So yeah, so we
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  Speaker 2: just we just kind of let it do its thing
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  Speaker 2: and kind of follow where it led, I guess, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: stoke to have it out now. It's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's the longest I think we've waited between you know,
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  Speaker 2: releases so far, and it was just like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: just kind of had it to ourselves for the longest time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, can you know, it's out there now and
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  Speaker 2: maybe nothing happens, maybe something happens, so yeah, who knows.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's a I feel like it's
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  Speaker 4: different difficult because you guys aren't necessarily touring or anything
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  Speaker 4: like that per se. I feel like it's got to
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  Speaker 4: be very difficult to try to you know, make a
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  Speaker 4: big splash and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it is, yes, And I think it's nice
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  Speaker 2: because we kind of like got to you know, the
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  Speaker 2: luxury of letting ourselves off the hook about it, which
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  Speaker 2: is good. I think we. I mean, Steve and I
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  Speaker 2: was talking the other day about how every release was
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  Speaker 2: just like a you know, anxiety attack. It was crazy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the weeks leading up and you know, release day,
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  Speaker 2: we're always just you know, freaking out and you know,
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  Speaker 2: like what's gonna you know, is any anyone because like
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  Speaker 2: the you know, are people gonna hate it? And even
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  Speaker 2: worse as anyone is no one gonna care, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, can't decide which which of those reactions
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  Speaker 2: would be worse, and and just you know, envisioning every
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  Speaker 2: horrible thing you can imagine, and you know, and obviously
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  Speaker 2: we've always had love from people and it's always been wonderful,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it was super weird. This time. We're just
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  Speaker 2: like cool, it's coming out and I'm and I'm only
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  Speaker 2: excited and happy about it. So that's interesting but very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I will say it is something to be
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  Speaker 1: really proud of. I mean, I'll be honest, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the best Tiger Wayne album there is. Uh. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's so good.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely one of those albums that at least, between
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  Speaker 1: Colin and I will probably be at least at the
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  Speaker 1: very least mentioned in our top albums we do like
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  Speaker 1: a top Albums of the Year episode. Uh, and I
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  Speaker 1: guys feel pretty confident that it's gonna at least at
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  Speaker 1: the very least be mentioned, if not be in one
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  Speaker 1: of our top fives. I mean, it's pretty incredible. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just just really really impressed by it. And yeah, i mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously the last album was really good. But this just
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's just more focused. It feels really refined.
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  Speaker 1: It does kind of feel like there was more time
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  Speaker 1: given to it.
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  Speaker 2: Word Man, appreciate yeall, it's so kind of you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what I am super impressed by is and I
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  Speaker 4: told Mason this before too, that the riffs on this
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  Speaker 4: on this record are.
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  Speaker 3: Insancty, like yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's like one after another after another after another.
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  Speaker 4: They're they're so expertly and musically crafted.
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  Speaker 2: Man, thank you so much. That's awesome. It's so so
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  Speaker 2: nice of you. Yeah, Steve is riff machine is unreal.
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  Speaker 2: We had like in the mid twenties, I think, songs
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  Speaker 2: for this, and we paired it down to ten and
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  Speaker 2: each was hard a rift than the last. He's just unreal.
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  Speaker 2: I think. Let me see, I have maybe two rifts
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  Speaker 2: on the record, which is interesting. We used to used
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  Speaker 2: to be a more a more closer to even split.
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  Speaker 2: It's always been mostly Steve right and rifts. But the
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  Speaker 2: the the left to right right to left swoop on.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh, it's not called it's called wax Magnetic. We're
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  Speaker 2: such a we're such a working title band. That song
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  Speaker 2: was called Slide for five years because it has the
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  Speaker 2: in it and that was that was something like I
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  Speaker 2: made on a little like uh loop pedal and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of my I think two rifts on the
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  Speaker 2: record if I remember correctly. But yeah, other than that,
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  Speaker 2: it is all just like my good friend Steve just
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  Speaker 2: like ripping. They just yeah, just cranks out sick riffs
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  Speaker 2: and that's it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like that's like the thing
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  Speaker 4: that I find to be like the biggest up up
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  Speaker 4: from nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It is for you.
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  Speaker 4: Not that like nothing is for you didn't have great riffs,
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  Speaker 4: but like holy buckism, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is just whoa than you.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing that I'm super impressed by that I
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  Speaker 4: just haven't heard in a mix for a long time
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  Speaker 4: is very very prominent bass and kick drum is big
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  Speaker 4: and full, like not like you know, you know and
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  Speaker 4: heavier music. It tends to be like really punchy and
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  Speaker 4: it's really really dry and dead. This is the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this feels almost like classic rock style.
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  Speaker 2: Where dude, we uh so. Speaking of outside entities playing
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  Speaker 2: on the record, our our great friend and wonderful bass
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  Speaker 2: player Sean, who was with us for the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, every tour was with us, he got a
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  Speaker 2: sick job, had a couple of kids, and so he
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: stepped away from the band. Uh oh gosh, I mean
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago now, and when it came to
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: to make the record, our friend Matt shout out, shouts out,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Cornell, you rule he is. He wasn't Lincoln, He's
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  Speaker 2: in Kansas City now. But he's like I always say,
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  Speaker 2: there are people who play guitar that can play bass,
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  Speaker 2: and then there are people who play a bass only
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  Speaker 2: and never like gave a shit about guitar at all.
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  Speaker 2: And Matt is one of those people that just like
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  Speaker 2: crushes but he's like one of the most insane musicians
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  Speaker 2: I've ever ever met in my life, and he just
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  Speaker 2: like plays the shit out of bass. It's awesome. And
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: so yeah, like that tone at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: hammer of speaking of Luxembourg, the hammer Blow on our
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  Speaker 2: record is all like Matt just being a genius and
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: just like we just basically said, like, hey, go nuts
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  Speaker 2: and like anything you've ever wanted to try, let's do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: He's Matt also plays based on the live sessions that
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: are out for the songs as well, which we told
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  Speaker 2: tooth and nail, No more music videos. We hate them,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: and so that's the reason for those. But Matt is
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  Speaker 2: the guy who played on the record, who's on the
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: and then the other guitar player is Jeremy, who engineered
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  Speaker 2: this one. In the last one is well in case
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  Speaker 2: anybody's interested in that. But yeah, base wise, Matt is
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable and all of those tones are like Steve and
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  Speaker 2: Matt just cooking and him just being so talented. And
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  Speaker 2: then drums wise, uh, Jeremy and our drummer Shane are huge, huge, huge,
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  Speaker 2: huge drum nerds. And on our last record, when we
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: had first met Jeremy, like the first session that they did,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it's how it is, like everybody kind of
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: goes out and it's just like kind of the the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: person tracking and the engineer and everyone else kind of
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: comes in at the end and kind of finds out
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: what happened. And the two of them would just be
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: in there in Lincoln for hours and hours and hours,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: and we'd go in there we'd be like, yeah, well,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it's sick. I don't know if we need
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: three different bass drums going, I don't know, And like
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: things like that that are so funny and awesome, but
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you know at the time we're just like, oh man,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: like there's you guys are like really nerding out and
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: on this. I think that like the relationship between the
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: two of them was so good. And that live room
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: at BE twenty four. If anyone's near Kansas City or
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: even if you're not, they have accommodations that rule. You
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: gotta go see Jeremyine. You gotta go track at B
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: twenty four. That live room sounds stupid. It is unbelievable.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Like the there's a really really smushed, hammered down little
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: section at the end of the song. Lastly, I believe
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: that is just uh, it's just like the far room
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: mics just getting slammed like into like I think a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: fair Child or the Eric Valentine Fairchild. That just it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: just crushed an awesome sounding and it's like you can
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: do so much with that room, and I think, yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it was just so much fun to like, like I said,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: nerd out, and like all the gear there is insane
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and so yeah, everybody just got to like get every
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: everything out that they wanted. But yeah, you know, product
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: of having more time, like you said, is awesome.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, at Studio B twenty four next door?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Do they film really fucked up movies?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Do they fill the A twenty four movies? Right now?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: That was that was absolutely no.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: No, I left you hang in there. That's awesome.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: The the fullness of the low end on this album,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it really reminds me of like a Matt Goldman kind
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: of production. I don't know if you guys you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: have been I would imagine if you're you know, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: kind of tooth and Nail fans, you know, growing up
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: kind of same era, Like I would imagine you're probably
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Matt Goldman's productions. But it just
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of that, Like just the fullness
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of that low end, which I think Matt obviously has
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like done really masterfully throughout all of his all of
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the albums that he's been a part of. But yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it just reminds me of that. Like when I first
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: heard it, I honestly thought maybe like Matt Goldman had
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: produced it because of the similarities in terms of the production.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it is a reference thing. Die with
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: your tongue out with Goldman. He's a good bud of ours.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: He's wonderful. Yeah, our first our first record we did
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Right before that, that iteration of glowing the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: dark uh went away, which is really sad, but yeah,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: he's absolutely wonderful. He also did he did Front of
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the Front of the House for all the bands on
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: We did a tour with my Epic and as CID.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: He's burned in twenty eighteen and like he is, yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: like he's so so talented and you know, obsessive about
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: those kinds of things, like the low end being tight
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and awesome, and yeah, I do want I mean, I
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: wonder if it's a if it's a oh this is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: what they sound like because of that record, and maybe
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it translates and he keeps on keeps on going. But also,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I mean Jeremy is a very very very very gifted
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: engineer and mixed engineer as well. So yeah, and also
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I mean we had Will Yip, We got to have
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Will do the master on this guy too, and he
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: is his low end is insane. It's so so, so
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: so cool and interesting and but yeah, that's that's a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: sick compliment. I will I will let everybody know you
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: said that for sure.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: So you've been sitting on this for a while. Were
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: like all the lyrics and everything like that written four
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: years ago.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Plus a lot of them were Yeah, I was kind
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of I uh, I really went through a thing like
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: around the pandemic, as everyone did. Uh, But yeah, a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: lot of the ideas were there. I'd say probably half
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: of it was. Yeah, about half, I guess was probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: written lyrically by by the end of twenty twenty one,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and then we recorded in I think twenty twenty two.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yep, so it's been. It's been in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the like mixing and you know, you know, handing back
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and forth process for a couple of years, but yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: it's been. I think this was the first time I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: think I had every single lyric I wanted down before
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: we went to the place we used to our first
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: two records. We just had the whole thing in our
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: brains and then showed up and the engineer would be like, wow,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you didn't do any pre production, and we would be like, oh, yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: well this is We're gonna spend the first couple of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: days showing you what the record is because that's a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: normal thing to do, but which I mean now I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: realize is insane. But but yeah, so, and usually I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: would kind of be we would arrive and you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: drums takes a while and everything. You got a little
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: bit of time, and so I would kind of button
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: things up as we were, you know, away from home
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and I had a little bit of time. But this time, yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I was. I got at every single thing I wanted
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: before you know, we even got out there, which was
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: so cool and I will never do it the other
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: way again. That is cool.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you find it? Do you find it strange?
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: You know, before you've put your your lyrics out there
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: in the world for everyone to see and hear. If
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: you sit on something for that long, does it feel
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: strange like revisiting where your mind space.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Was at total?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, especially with this band. I think we were we
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: were pretty young getting started on the first EP especially
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and definitely most of our first full length. I am
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: every single last thing about me is different, I think
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: than it was then. And so yeah, I mean I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: think you can definitely hear, especially if you know me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I think in those days, I really and I said
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: this in public before, and I'm apologized if anybody of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm repeating myself, but I think that I was a
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: guy who didn't have a lot of answers, and I
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: really wanted to appear as though I did have a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: lot of answers, and so I kind of was not
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: playing with a full playbook, I guess, and kind of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: faking it until I made it. And then you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you never make it. You never arrive at having the answers.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You just kind of what ends up happening is you
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: you become more and more comfortable with the fact that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you're never going to have all the answers and that's okay,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and you can only you know, do your best, which
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I mean that sounds so kitchy, but like I think.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: It's Donny Krueger effect what you're saying.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, definitely big, big factor. But yeah, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: think there's a there's a lot of like die with
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: your tongue out especially is like you know, my I
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: was in my little enlightened centrist phase and you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: thinking that, oh yeah, the answer is to not actually
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: like read anything or learn anything about the world, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it's just just to like experience your way into you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: being in the middle of everything for no reason other
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: than you feel like it's the right thing to do.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's like kind of silly, and so
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I think hopefully as time has gone on, I'm what
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping is that it is. And I've said this too,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but like, my biggest fear ever is to be the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: guy that says, you know, well, back then I didn't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have it, but now I have it. I'd never ever
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: want to be the like now I've figured it out.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I want to way more so be like, well, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I definitely didn't have it, and I recognize that now
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and hopefully I don't go don't let myself go there again,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and I just like am able to to just exist
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and be okay with existing and just like playing the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: game and getting to you know, ride the ride is enough.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, that's beautifully. I think that's such a
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: much more mature way of thinking about life. And it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: really only something that you can think of if you have.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Experienced a little bit of less sure.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yep, And yeah, definitely doesn't come with that
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: just writing a bunch of stuff down and pretending like
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little different change of topic here, but you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: mentioned that, you know, at the beginning of the pandemic,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you kind of moved into music some music licensing.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Right, yep, yep, I'm doing sync these days.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, How like, how much do you think that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: maybe has influenced this new album, you know, knowing that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you're doing a lot of that kind of work now,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just really curious, you know, just how how
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that has like shaped or changed or yeah, influenced this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: this particular album.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: What a sick question that rocks. Yes, I absolutely it has.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It's you know, Steve and I both especially, we're always
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: pretty convinced that we were just too dumb for it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: like it didn't have the right kind of brain for
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it or the right pair of ears for it, which
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: sucks because we didn't protect our hearing very good. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean we got really really lucky. I only have
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of tenaus going on. But we
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: always just assume like, ah, yeah, not for us, like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: you know, people smarter people than us can do that
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever, And then when it came time to really
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: buckle down and decide like if that's something that I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: want to get into now, of course, it's like one
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of my favorite things I've ever done in the whole world.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And I wish I would have started when I was sixteen.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Years old, like everyone I know who does this, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it was it's been so cool to, like, as I'm
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: learning so much and I'm still I've been doing sync
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: for two and a half years and I'm still every
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: single day I'm learning so much about you know, about
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: how the industry works for one thing, and then also
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: obviously all of like the technical and and you know
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: audio stuff that's a little bit more fun. But like
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it was, it's been so cool to be able to,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: like my my badge of honor that I will always
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: carry that's so lame, is that I had I had
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a note for will Yip on his master and that
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that actually got it to go through one more time,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: which I was like sick, like that that's all I need,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Like it's all the boost I'll need. But yeah, it was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It's been so cool to be able to. I mean,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: it's just like anything else that you are afraid of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and then you kind of go after and you kind
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of commit to and you go, oh, word like this
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: is this is not as crazy as I thought it was,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: even though it is it is so much of it
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is insurmountable. But it's been so cool to be able
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to finally, which is I mean it was. It's funny
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: if you play in a band and you feel this way,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: like it is available to you, like you can you
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: can go grab you know, reaper and record some stuff
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and like get get some reps in so that you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: can then like not even necessarily to try and make
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: a career out of it, so just so that you
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: can then turn around and if you're having a record made,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you can you can effectively communicate to somebody else what
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it is that you need to happen on like a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: mix or a song or things like that. It's it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: good for you and you should do it and you
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: should never think that like, oh, yeah, you know, I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: just I don't have the right build for it, because
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that's silly. But but yeah, dude, I love that question.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: That's sick. Yes, it has absolutely changed and helped and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: been awesome.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What what is that like day to day for you?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Look like doing like this music licensing. I'm just always like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, there's like we interview you know, mostly musicians,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: but well even interview people that you know kind of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like yourself where they're like in a band, but then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like the thing that they do full time is something
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: also in music. But it's like different than just being
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in a band, and it's just always interesting to know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: like what does even the day to day look like
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: for that person. So yeah, I'm just curious, like for you,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: what what does that day to day look like?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Totally Yeah, that's so funny that the whole there's like
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the I'm sure you guys have heard this. What it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a the that hardcore kids are they they like are
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: doing stuff on the ground and pop punk kids where
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: like are like their suits now, Like hardcore kids are
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: all like tour managers in front of house and and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: all that, and like merch people and pop punk kids
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: are all you know, like visiting in board ones.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: To make it the money.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for me, it's dude, it is like honestly
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: so silly and fun. Like I I basically so right
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: now I'm working on I pitched like a Hammock Explosions
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: in the Sky kind of brief a little while ago,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and they finally said yes to it a few months
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: later now, and so yeah, I'll get a brief in
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my inbox.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Well what exactly is a brief?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, it's like a suit. Yeah, everyone does this. Uh,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I will get an email that basically says, hey, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: here's what this is for. Like sometimes it'll be for
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a video game, or sometimes it'll be like public TV,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: or sometimes it'll be like for reality TV or stuff
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And like a movie or something like that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Like like I've pitched for indie movies before,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: i'ven't gotten on one, but like they'll it'll basically be
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: like here's kind of what we're thinking, and here's the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: links that we need. And they'll always include like a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Spotify playlist of like here's some reference and that you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we need you know, three or four or five or
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: ten of these songs by this date. And so then
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I just make them exist, which is sick. Like the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: first one I ever did, I I had my stuff.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: There's this site called disco. It's like MySpace for sync
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and you like, you know, put together. So I just
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: made I made like ten Jimmy Eat World ripoff songs
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and you know, threw them up there. And my first
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: brief I ever did was they wanted like an Avril
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Lavigne brief and that like I just found out like
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: six months ago that that was on an X games ad.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I just wrote like the shittiest like story so far
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: worship thing ever and but yeah, so it's like it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: super fun and and like yeah, like I got to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: do uh the one before this one was so fun.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It was it was called Ready Set Go, was what
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the brief was for, and it was for like a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Rocket League esque video game, and so it was like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: E d M with like breakdowns and stuff. So I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: just wrote. I literally wrote like like five nine inch
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Nails songs with like DM drops in them, and it
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: was dope. But what I know, insane?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: What what would you say is the like, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: little tune that you've made that maybe like has been
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the most popular or like maybe most people have heard.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know that anybody would have really heard.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you watched the X Games in twenty
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: twenty three, you heard a song I wrote it was
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it was yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, it was
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: like super cool. They were it was used was it
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: like for a commercial? Yes, and for they used it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: for uh, like a promo thing that was like this
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: is what the X Games is, and it's summertime and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it's with your friends and blah blah blah, and it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: just like you know, pop punk you know, drivel in
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the background, but I mean it's fun and I ragging
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: on myself too hard. It's it's it's it was very
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: cool and it was an honor but it was used
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: for a promo and then also whenever if you watched
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the Are the the Xams in twenty twenty three, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: they did a segment where they explained how the scoring
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of a certain event worked, like like, for example, like
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: motocross jump is if you don't understand how the judging
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: works or whatever, they'll take a second and they'll they'll
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like explain it. And so my whole thing was playing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And then also, uh, for a lot of the like
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: they'll run will happen and then they'll do like the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: quick slowma like the instant replay and stuff. And it
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: was it was one of like five or six songs
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that they used for like backing music for that, which
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it was like so silly and fun, but yeah, kind
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of kind of interesting.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Has there ever been like a case where you're you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: creating riffs or you know, trying to figure out some
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: sort of chord progression or whatever, uh for one of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: these kind of projects, and then you're like, wait that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: actually if I like twist it in this way, it
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: could actually be a tiger wind thing, Like has that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ever happen?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Why are you were going with that? Yes, dude, this okay.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So I've been trying to find a way to get
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: my so for I forget whether I talked about this
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: off air or once we started. My best butt in
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the whole world, Steve Lichton Walter is plays guitar in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: our band, and this brief was something that he and
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I kind of hatched and we were I head up
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: my an R and I was like, hey, you know
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: we you know, we've all seen Friday Night Lights, We've
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: all seen Moneyball, you know what I'm talking about. Like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: we let's let's go here. Let's stop messing around. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: so they a couple of weeks ago finally were like, hey,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: let's actually do this. And so I've just been trying
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to find a way to bring him on for the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: longest time, because I've just been sitting here being an
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: idiot and making you know, insane like country and you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Rocky DM shit. And so I was like, I've been
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: forever trying to find a way to get him to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: come on with me, and this was like right up
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: his alley. Steve is like Steve like walked down the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: aisle the explosions in the sky dog, so like we're
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: just I was like, cool, we're gonna do this. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: we have like these ten ideas and every single one
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of them we've and like, oh shit, is this a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Tiwon song? Like exactly how you say, Like it's exactly
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: what it's happened.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I've been curious in licensing world, how do
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: you know if you're maybe getting a little too like
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: esoteric or whatever it maybe taking it to like a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: level that's not like digestible and like a thirty second
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: clip or even a one minute clip for an audience.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know if it's just because I've been
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: so lucky too, or if it's a normal thing. I've
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: only worked with three different libraries in my time, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: each of them has had no problem being like hey
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: this is a little bit harry, you know, like or
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like hey, this isn't gonna probably work, which is really
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: cool and luckily too. Usually when they ask for material,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's never like one thing. It's usually hey
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I need six of these and then and Also it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it makes it a little easier on the ego too,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: because it'll be like, cool, I want these four and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: so it's like so they don't have to be like, hey,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: these two suck. But yeah, so luckily for me, I mean,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and also like everyone I've I've worked with has been
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: just wonderful and like so so nice and and yeah
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I'm great, so like it. It's my experience has been amazing.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't I don't know. I guess I
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: can only speak for myself, but yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Sure, so kind of along the lines of it. And again,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're going way too much for the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: music licensing, but it's really interesting to me. We don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: get to talk about it, yeah exactly. So yeah, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: would imagine like the people maybe you're working with are
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: obviously making decisions about what music is going into the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: project that they're working on, right, so they're like having
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to listen to this to say all right, like oh, yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like that's that's exactly what we're looking for, or hey,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: like could you tweak it this way? Like, but there's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: somebody making that decision. And I would also imagine like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: there's probably a similar type of position in the creative
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: industry where you know, for example, like you know, you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: mentioned you know, Explosion Sky Friday Night Lights. Somebody that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: was a part of the Friday Night Lights project made
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the decision explosions in the sky, like that's the sound
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: we want, and so they worked with Explosions in the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Sky to like create that, or you know, like whatever,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you know, think of whatever favorite movie you have or whatever.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Somebody is like deciding, oh, that's the song that we
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: want in this like intro scene. But I'm really like curious,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: like there must be somebody in the industry, whether it's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like the film industry, the TV industry, whatever, it might be.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Somebody's making those decisions about what songs are being played,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: whether it's like music licensing songs or like you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: songs that they're having to pay lots of money for
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: because they're like a really famous song or whatever. But
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like who are the people that are
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: making those decisions, because that would be a really fun
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: job to have.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It would be so I thought about my entire life,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it would be awesome. Yeah, so when I first started,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it's apparently not this way anymore. But when I first started,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you would, uh, the what everyone would tell you to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: do is go on IMDb and find the names of
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: music managers. Is what they I guess they're called. Is
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: they're the people who like work on those projects, and they,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: like I guess, just have like a catalog of billions
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of songs that they just pick from for whatever. But yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: so we would just like you would like, it's actually
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: kind of weird. You like, go on IMDb to something
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that you like, or like a show you like or
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a movie you like, and just find some guy's email
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and you're say, hey, here's like you know, here's all
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: my stuff I made. But yeah, so what I'm doing
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: is when I got into it, I said, hey, uh,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: how can I do this completely anonymously? Just let me
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: off the hook, not completely anonymously, but like not as
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a as a public facing artist, so that I could
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: do two things. One, not have to keep the momentum up,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: you know, in general, and also because you know, in case,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you know, we want to do my band again, you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be like i'd have another thing
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: on my play and like having to you know, have
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: something that's very very public facing that could be on
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: television and stuff like that. I'm just not I'm just
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: not built for it, I don't think. And then another
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: thing that's advantageous about it, sorry is uh where was
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I going? Whoops?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And to be able sorry, I just realize what I'm saying.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So to be able to also like do a million
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: different things and just go all over the place. Like
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: cause right now, I get to one week I'm I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: pretend I'm a country producer, and the next week I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: pretend I'm a hip hop producer, and the next week
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I pretend I'm a you know, rock and roll producer
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And it's really fun. I think it's it's
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: sick for like getting the education and the reps in
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So yeah, like I specifically when
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I hit up libraries and stuff, I was like, hey,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I want to just do anonymous and just like hit
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: me with like genres and I just want to like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: try whatever, and which has been awesome, Like now, you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: because what you get when you do that is you
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: get libraries that just have you on like retainer for
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: any time. So like I'm what my like relationship is
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: right now with this library is they they're like, hey,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you're our guy, if we need anything that has like
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: big rock drums and electric guitar is like my thing
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and so that's exactly where I wanted to be. And
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like on the other the end that you're talking about,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: where like somebody says, Hey, there's this cool movie we're making,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: and like I have this artist that like I think
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: would be cool. That's I guess I can't speak for everybody,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: but that to me sounds like a sink label probably
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is what they went through because there's libraries that just
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: literally just have you know, however, many hundreds of people
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: sending them stuff that they then pitch to all kinds
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: of whatever. And then you also have sink labels, which
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: are they sign artists that already are public facing and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that have pr and they have records coming out and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: have stuff on Spotify and have followings and stuff, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: they both promote that stuff to the public and then
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: they also pitch it for other stuff like that. So yeah,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you have the name recognition of this
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: will destroy your or an explosion in this guy or
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a hammock that is awesome, and obviously that would be
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: sick one day. But yeah, I guess I'm I'm I'm
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: getting my my reps in right now until like until
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I can be han Zim or you know, are you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: On Are you on Free Music Archive? By any chance?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I've used that a couple of times.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sick. Those things are awesome too, And I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: know people who do stuff like that, like you can
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you can make like a decent live you have to
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: make so much, you have to make so many things
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to make any kind of living doing that, and I
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: having a young kid, I just didn't have the time.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That is where my skill level was when I started.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I just decided to kind of leap and hopefully grow
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: into something, which is exactly what's happened. Is very cool.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people when they first start and
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: they first download you know, logic or whatever, they you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: can you can get a beat going, you know what
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I mean. And so if you can make fifty of them,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: you know, and have a SoundCloud or have a disco
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and you can pitch those things around, you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: can make a little bit of money. You can you
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: can do stuff like that where like YouTubers and things
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: like that, like you you know, jump on sites like
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that to just throw stuff in the background and pay
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you know, ten bucks for it or something like that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's also a very viable way to do
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it for sure.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: I guess the other thing I'm curious on again, still
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: sticking with the licensing situation.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to nerd out on you guys.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, we're nerd. We're just not familiar with you know.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love talking about it. You don't
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: have to worry about me.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Okay. Cool. When you're.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: When you're adding your your music to like these libraries,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: is there any way that AI could get a hold
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: of that and then use that to like learn itself.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. So that's a big that's a big
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: deal in the in the business right now. Yeah, which
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I've I'm again very lucky. The library that I'm currently
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: kind of with has like very publicly said, like stated
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like they're not gonna a ever use AI for pitching
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and then b they're also not going to like give
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the sources to like or sell them to any sort
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: of AI thing that can learn off of it or whatever.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: So luckily we have that. I mean, who knows how
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: long that lasts or how you know, how many other.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Because part of it is like they might have to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: be starting to compete with AI, so then they have
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to figure right like that that's a whole thing that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: they might have to figure out too.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see. I mean, dude, it's so funny
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: like that, that shift that's happening in the world right
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: now with a you think it's funny. What's that?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you think it's funny.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I guess so I laughed, so I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: don't scream. Huh yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: it's uh yeah, and it is. It is super scared.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Especially I mean, god, I put you know, and I'm
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: you know, just getting my feet wet. Like there's people
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: who have put way more time into doing sync and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: stuff that you know, potentially I guess you could. You
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: could find yourself, you know, you know, in a lot
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of trouble, you know, not being able to get into
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it the way that other people have. And so I
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: mean I guess that's yeah. I mean, that's a whole
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: other conversation where yeah, it's a lot of things in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: our in our world, or somebody's going to be left
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: hold in the bag and that sucks.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the way that like even yeah, music generation
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna happen alongside with AI. I mean, Colin, do
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you remember a few months ago, was it Stephen Kesh
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: from UH from uh Hasted Day that mentioned something about
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like he just created like a he like, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: put in something about like make a hasted a song
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and it a I put you know, like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: comes back and it's like actually kind of close. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was hasted Maybe it was.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: It was, I think it was, but it was just
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: like he was like it was someone else that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: We interviewed that wanted to make a Hasteday song, like
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: a Haste Today song through.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: AI, and it was actually kind of surprisingly similar, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: it was like he was like it was kind of scary,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: like how close this actually is?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is crazy. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a that's definitely a windshield time conversation waiting to happen,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, for sure, where yeah Daddy starts talking
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: about you know, hiding money and stuff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be You're gonna be putting money in like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the you're you know, underneath the floor, underneath the uh
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like breaking bad style. Yeah, Skyler's gonna be coming in.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, bags full of.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Gold Boomers money. Yeah, uh, Colin, I think we're ready
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: for top five.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, top five guilty pleasures, oh man, And okay, let's see.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I mean we have our band used to tag Taylor
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Swift and every single thing we ever posted, We've just
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: always been the biggest Taylor Swift fans ever. If you
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: go way back on Instagram, Yeah, every every single thing
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: we posted, it was just like showing you know, Akron
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: tonight at Taylor Swift, like literally every single thing.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: And now it's just Travis Kelce.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Right, hey, there you go. Yeah, you gotta include both,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I guess huh yeah, yeah, I mean, I like everyone is,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: but like I'm such a fan of her songwriting. It's unreal.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: But uh, there's that. I mean, I when I was younger,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I loved, loved Love was such a huge Reliant K fan,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and I still am. I still love relion K so much.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Look at you go, that's so sick. I was gonna
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: mention your rat shirt and then I was like, oh no,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I won't punish him, and then that's so sick. But yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Going for lion K is a guilty pleasure.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Interesting, well, I guess where I where I should go
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is I listened to like from that, I listened to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: every single thing that he was even close like I was.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I was like all about like the May Day parades
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of the world and and which I mean, there's no
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: shame in that those those bands are. But yeah, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: mean all like the what's that Ace, Troubleshooter, trouble Shooter.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: These are these are some really obscure pics that Mason
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: and I are. It's not somewhat similar to at least
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: at least at least our youth pastors said that they
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: were pretty much the same thing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Word. Oh man, well I got three more. I mean,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I guess dude, I still don't mind going back to
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: like the like when Rise Records would like signed you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the same band fifteen times. Some of those some of
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: those are.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Early famines like uh we yeah, that's that's a great
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: way to describe it though, is like they just signed
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the same band fifteen times.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, like freaking yeah, I don't even know. But
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: we were talking on a drive not that long ago
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: about like how like of Machines is still badass? Like
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: that that record is sick or what's another one we
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: were talking about one of them, or like even like
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the like a being from Colorado. We were so into
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: all of us going to drop to Gorgeous or Denver
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: band and like so sick. Yeah, I mean they're playing
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a show seem is sick.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: But and that reminds me that like Colin and I,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: we have maybe less of a running gig, but kind
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of a running gig where we kind of make fun
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of august Burn's Red and we're not like the biggest
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: fans and it's it's really actually not because of august
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Burn's Red, Like we would love to interview them, like
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: we they're great, but like the reason why we might
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: not be the bigest fans of them is because everybody
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: decided to copy exactly what they were doing. And that's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like no fault of them, Like they just perfected that
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: sound and everybody decided to sound exactly like them, but
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that's like not their fault, Like they just happened to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: be the ones that weren't the best at it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Where that makes me I have to say, shouts out
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Trevor if you're listening to this text me, uh, just
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: since we mentioned as as cities Burn, it's a buddy
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of mine.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I think I think that goes back to the idea
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: that is it's bad. You know, if you're baking cookies,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: you need a cookie cutter. So got a lot of
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: cookies on Rise Records.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Also, did you say Acidy's burn or so
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I meant to say August Burn's red a buddy of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: of of the band and of mine is a wonderful,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: incredible photographer. I was about to say, like, please don't
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: confuse with what I just said about August Burn's red
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: with because I could have been further.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: From Oh, that's that's my bad.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: No, No, that's so funny, dude. The three the three
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: word names. Yeah, dude. I also and have always always
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: been such a huge country music fan, and like I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: just pop country to me is very like I always say,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: it's like blue cheese. I guess, like I really I
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like it a lot, and I understand when other people
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: don't like it cause it's kind of like objectively offensive.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's okay, what's what's one that you just like you
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: eat up that that you would feel like not just
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that you eat up, but like you're just like, oh
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: my god, like everybody else is just gonna make fun
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: of me for this. So who is it? Hmm from
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the pop country world? Damn?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, like my I my first thought is Alan Jackson.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would give me a hard time
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: about that, or like Luke Combs too. I'm a huge
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Luke Combs fan.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Maye.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I'll say Dan and Sha. A lot of people, a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: lot of people I know don't like Dan and Shall.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I love Dan and She.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I have no idea who that is?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Oh speechless? Ten thousand hours featuring Justin bieber Ok.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: That sounds like something that would do.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the the vocals are dumb on. Everything
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that they've put out is like so sick, like intricate, impressive.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: They also sing their ass cheeks off live like they're amazing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What what I love about so much of pop
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: country is that almost all of the backing bands come
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: out of like the hardcore world. It's so at least
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: at least out of Nashville. Like Colin and I, We've
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: met multiple people who are like hardcore artists, Like they
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: have their own bands, like hardcore bands or you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: alternative bands, and like what they do full time is
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that Like for like six months of the year, they'll
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: tour with like some massive country band because they're uber talented,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but they'll tour with some massive country band and that's
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like what pays the bills throughout the year. And then
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: they'll like do the other like alternative band or hardcore
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: band is like just like their side project that keeps
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: them sane.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh totally, yeah, it's so it's so funny. Yeah,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of texts. Yeah, do you guys know the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Better Off? Is it all?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I've heard that band. I've definitely heard no worries, shouts
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: out Luke from Better Off. He's a he's a tech,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he's he's awesome. But okay, dude, I think is that five?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe? Who knows?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: But I think one more. Let's let's do one more.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: One more? Hmmm, because you.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Got t Swift, you got Reliant k, you got pop country. Actually,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: was there one more?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: You got Rise Records record?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely one more? One more?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Dang, h Guilty Pleasures is so tough.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I like, there's gotta be like some big pop artists
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like Lady Gaga or Kesha.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I love both of them,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: or Sabrina Carpenter. I can see you being Sabrina. I'm
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: having a tough time with I just like I feel
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: like every time I listen to her, I feel like
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: she was grown in a lab. Dude, I like, I
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: don't understand, but it's one of those things where Simon Cowell, Yeah,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: maybe so I always want under like because there are
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: certain Taylor Swift records that are like that for me too,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: where it's like when it first comes out, I'm like
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: this is garbage, and then like a couple of years later,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this rocks, Like Yeah, I wonder if
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: in a few years when it's not hype, because I'm
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: just like such a dork, like, I wonder if I'm
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: just being a contrarian.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: But uh, he said, and I were literally having just
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: having that conversation about.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Lady Gaga this last weekeain, Dude.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: We thought that like like when we were young, we
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, she sucks, she sucks, she sucks, and
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: now we're like, oh, yeah, she's actually really talented and
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: a very very good artist in every.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Right, dude. Yeah, when I was younger, I definitely I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: definitely put out the vibe that I didn't like Lady Gaga,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: but I definitely did. I would have told you I did.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And when closeted Gaga, yeah yeah, dude, unreal, Okay, let's
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: lock in here. I'm sorry. What is something? Do you
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: know when you do that thing where you're like, hold on,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: what do I like?
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Oh? Totally yeah, hmm.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: What kinds of music are there?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: There's only three. There's pop, there's country, and there's rock.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I guess some people think that it's lame. I'll say this,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: this is it might be a good one. I sometimes
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: when I float the idea of like a Jurassic five
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: or like a oh yeah, like a Charlie Teon already, as.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't there already a Drassic part right?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Like when like I have had more moments than I
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: understand of being like oh word, yeah, I love stuff
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: like that, of people being like, oh yeah, that's no,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that's lame. I don't like that. Like I I really
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: like those like like them or like even dude, I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: don't know what if it's like gen Z I worked
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: at UH while we were torn a whole time. Steve
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: and I both worked at like a drive through only
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: coffee place, and so like by the end we're thirty
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and all of our coworkers are seventeen, and I'd be like, dude,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: throw like wu tang on or whatever, and people like
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: ugh and real, I'm just like dog not not to
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: be like. I don't like, I don't like that guy
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: who was just like, oh, the you know music these
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: days or whatever, like yeah, back then was when it
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: was good or whatever. But I don't like, I don't understand,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: like that's criminal to me. There's like so much stuff
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: back then that was so sick and like also that
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like you have to understand to get what's
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: going on now. But there you go. Maybe that's like
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: uh my little back against the walley and I'll.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Say, like old old, old old yelling at the clouds.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, exactly, yeah right right right.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I mean that's like how I think our conversation came
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: up about Lady Gaga calling because we were talking about
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: what's her name? I went blinking the.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Chaperone, Yeah, chapelone.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: We were talking about Chapelona. I'm like, this is literally
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: just Lady Gaga fifteen years ago, and I'm like in order,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and I would imagine, like you know, in every generation
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: is going to have their own version of you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that gen X had their version of
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga. You know, it's probably Madonna or whoever. But like, yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: like every generation is going to have their own version,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and it just seems like gen Z's getting like their
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: version of Lady Gaga and Madonna as Chapel Roone. And
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of thinking through I'm like, oh,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: like that that's clearly who these artists are just getting
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: influence from. Like they're almost just like copying the style,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: which is like, you know, like it's a good style.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Like I get it, like it's popular.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: People like it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't bash them for it, but
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: that's like what it is.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Word. Yeah, dude, that's sick. Do you guys like Chaperone?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I just you hear it so much it's like almost
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: hard to like okay, like I just I have it
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: stuck in my head all the time. It's just because
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: it's just everywhere right now.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, see I live in farm countries, so I never
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: hear it.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Word really, Oh god, it's just dude, I am. Yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: everywhere in the cities. Oh, everywhere in the cities.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Because that's dude, that's an interesting thing, Like where I'll
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: like Chaperone was one of those where it was like
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you know that thing that happens where you're just like,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: uh you you know every single thing about it and
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you didn't want to and like and it's just like okay,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: like I can't give this a fair shake because it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like like I I know the Chaperone lore before I've
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: heard her music, and that's like, I don't I don't
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: know what to do with that. And also I'm such
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: like a little yeah, like I said, like it like
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: dork contrarian sometimes and I'm just like, you know, I'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: sure yeah again in a couple of years. Well, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: also there are songs, there are Chaperone songs that genuinely
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: rip that. Yeah, and I also hate that dude. It's like, well,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the fandom ruined it, like who you like, shut up?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I mean like Tool fans ruined Tool.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: But I still listen to.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess some people would say Perfect Circle ruined
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Tool as well.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That's true, that's true, well Maynard, yeah, but he also
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: is the heart of it.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, Yeah, pick your poison. There you go, all.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Right, Uh yeah, what would you like to plug We're
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: we're going towards the.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: End of your I like this has been so cool
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: to do podcasts and reconnect with friends and stuff like that.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I would love to be able to give a whole
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: list of things at the moment. If you if you're
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: listening to this, you've probably heard these things, but just
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: in case not. We have an album called Toile and
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Spin and it's out right now. On Tooth and Nail.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: We have a series of live videos that we really
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: really worked super super super super hard on and therefore
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the songs Tulip, Perennial, Wax, Magnetic, and Prototypic and they're
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: all on you. They're all out now. And uh there's
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: also I mean, what we will be playing. I mean
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: for those for the Color Springs homies. There will be
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: an album release show sooner than later. And Fantasy Initiative
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: is the the brand that helped us with like all
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: of our all of the visual direction for the record
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: is Fantasy Initiative. If you haven't heard of him, uh,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: it's it on Instagram's Fantasy Initiative. It's all like merch
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: and supplies and backpacks and home goods and cool stuff
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: like that. That all has like very cool like vintage
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: dark fantasy imagery and things like that is very very
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: very cool. And then sometimes he'll do like a Sopranos
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: rip or like a you know, like he'll do like
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: bootlegs and stuff. He used to be just all bootlegs only,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: but now he does like all original, really really really
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: cool stuff. And he's an old buddy of ours and
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: he just kind of came on and did all the
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: creative direction, and so he will be out and so
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: he'll have he'll probably have stuff on him to sell
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: that's very cool, and we'll have merch that he designed
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: here and then all that stuff will all be on
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the internet after the fact, So like, yeah, keep an
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: eye out. That's really I don't I think that's all
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I've got as far as plugs. I wish I had more.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: But we're just all so grateful to just be putting
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: a record out when we thought the band was all done.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we're just like any amount of love that
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: anybody has has given or just spinning the record or
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: just caring enough to listen to something like this. Just
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: the last thing I'll say, plug wise is just know
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: that that is the biggest fucking deal ever to me,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: and it is huge. It's like so so so amazing
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: that you would take the time at all. So yeah,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll end plugs by saying thank you so much.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I guess love that. Love that well, we're big fans
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of it. Uh, hayden, anything else you'd like to plug? Individual?
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, are uh we're launching a pickle company. It's
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: called Salt Church.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, what like, like any kind of pickles or like
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: dill pickles? Like cue? Like, because here's the thing, I
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: love pickled things I don't like pickles, So like, what
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: kind of pickle? What kind of pickles are you talking
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: about here?
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Do you really like pickle?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Like pickled cucumbers or sorry, not pickled cucumbers. Those are
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the things I don't like, uh pickled uh, pickled carrots, Uh,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: pickled radishes, picked I don't know if I've had that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I've had pickled asparagus recently. I thought pickle asparagus was
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Pickling makes pigs feet better, but not good. Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Still anyway, what what kind of pickles are we talking about? Bill?
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Frozen only sorry frozen dill? Never frozen only, I should
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: say sorry always always on a truck, always refrigerated, never left.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Well you lost the customer because I only like frozen pickles.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Well that is incorrect. I'm sorry.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: There's a reason he likes frozen pickles, but we're not gonna.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Talk about.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: God is it.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Are Are you the kind of person that drinks the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: pickled juice afterwards to boost your electrolytes?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I will. I will tell everyone that it's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: for the hydration after I work out. It's just because
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: it's good. It's just you.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Do you tell your wife that you did that before,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: you know, special time?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, sorry, I have to. I know it's gross, but.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Don't mind the pickled Yeah no, Yeah, that was definitely
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a barrier.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure in the process of us ending up together.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: That's that's gotta be. That's gotta be.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I bet it was, because pickled juice is an aphrodisiac.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: It has to be.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe to you, it is.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: In my in my experience, it has to be.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just being That's my wife started dating
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: me when I had a mullet.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: So bad ass, dude, I had one too. Johnny Craig mullet,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: speaking of guilty pleasures, damn.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I did not have a Johnny Craig mullet. I had
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: a straight up redneck mullet.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: That's so much cooler.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Brian Bosworth kind of mullet.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: That rip.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: It was awesome.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: It was called the cull It.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: It was awesome, all right.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Well, uh man, it's been great, avenue dude.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much. It's such an honor for real,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.