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#150 - Don't Get Left Behind: Annette Hamilton on Reality of the Rapture · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Yes, I believe Iran is going to be bombed by America.
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  I mean that I think Israel and America are going to take out the leaders of
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  Iran and take out their nuclear installations so they can't harm anybody,
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  and actually that's in Scripture.
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  And I feel the hiddenness of God, like, extremely.
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  I love God and I'm seeking Him, but how I experience the world,
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  it is like He's not there. We have made ourselves our own God.
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  My will, my way, my hopes, my dreams, what my agenda is, and it can't be that.
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  We got to get out of our own way and put God on the throne of our heart because he created a marriage.
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  He made Adam first. He didn't make Eve first.
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  He definitely didn't make Adam and Steve. This flies in the face of our culture
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  and I think that it is very satanic.
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  He wants to confuse people, change their genders.
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  Say he's the author of confusion. God is the author of order.
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  I was really being abused as a child and neglected.
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  I asked the Lord, if you're real, you know, where are you? see him and receive
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  him as God so he did not have to go to the cross.
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  And then the millennial kingdom would have started then. So you don't think
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  he might not have even had to go on the cross?
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  Music.
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  Okay. So it's, we are actually, we're live, not video-wise, but we're live in just a podcast.
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  If anybody goes on to Podbean, they'll be able to listen.
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  You know, but not everybody jumps on. So if they did, they can
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  hear us right now but visually they can't see us it's just but i will take the
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  recording and everything and we'll actually make it so it's nice and neat and
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  then we'll publish it on youtube afterwards okay sounds good all right annette
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  annette hamilton welcome to the show thank you brandon i really do appreciate
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  it yeah yeah excited very excited too yes yeah.
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  All right. So I just, we, we actually came up.
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  It's the weirdest kind of story of how we met, how we kind of ran across each other.
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  It, I, you mind if I just kind of just share from my perspective,
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  it was probably maybe about a month or two ago.
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  I remember that you had, uh, reached out to me on through messenger.
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  I wasn't, I don't know if I had met you before. I wasn't sure,
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  but then it was probably about midnight and you like texted me and messaged me,
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  said, i'm going through something can you can you contact me
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  can you call me i didn't know who it was exactly when i knew we were friends
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  on facebook but like i'm i'm friends with a bunch of people i'm not really really
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  close to or i know so i just i prayed to god i was like oh and i and i just
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  felt kind of just moved and i and i called you through facebook or facebook messenger
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  and then we just started talking for like for
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  a long had a long conversation yeah and that
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  was that was real because and when we talked about almost till two
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  in the morning and probably about towards the end of
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  it we found out we go to the same church yes
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  yes we go to the same
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  church shout out first baptist plat city and i i i it was that was crazy because
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  i you didn't did you know i went to that church no no i mean i i usually uh
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  look at at people on messenger and kind of kind of screen them a little bit.
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  But I was praying to the Lord. I'm like, Lord, I'm desperate.
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  I'm very lonely. I need to talk to another Christian. I need encouragement.
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  And I wasn't sure because I have a couple of different mediums through a lot
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  of people that I connect with on podcasts, Christian podcasts,
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  remnant believers podcast.
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  Through Dominion where I could talk to people and people weren't available. And then,
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  the Lord kind of prompted me to go to Facebook. And I'm like, Lord, who do I talk to?
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  And it's funny that you were available and he had me click on you.
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  And I'm like, okay, fine.
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  And so, and then I looked at it and I, okay, you're friends with a couple of
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  the friends that I go to church with.
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  And I'm like, okay, do I really want people knowing all my issues?
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  I'm like, okay, Lord, I'm just desperate. I need somebody to talk to. I need encouragement.
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  I, I need some emotional arms wrapped around me, you know, a brother in Christ,
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  you know, or a sister in Christ, anybody, you know.
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  And so that's how we started talking. And as you know, I'm a bit of a talker,
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  especially when it comes about Jesus Christ. Yeah.
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  You talked probably 90% of it, and I was just listening.
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  Yeah, you're a good listener. i i'm i'm
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  just i've never been a person that naturally just speaks
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  in a you know public forum like to everybody or like around
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  when i'm around people i don't i usually let other people do the
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  talking for the most part and i guess i'm not as i'm a little more shy and like
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  out like around people externally and when i'm out in the world so i mean i
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  i find it a little easier to just let someone talk and and just try and try
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  to how can i maybe have the right
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  thing to say you know and I think I overanalyze a lot of things I say.
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  Well, I think that's a really good gift as a listener and an observer to be
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  able to take that to people who are in need and being able to hear what the
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  Lord is putting on your heart about them.
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  I think that's a really great gift that he's given you. Oh, thank you.
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  Well, I mean, I know you mentioned this.
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  You kind of brought it up about doing the podcast and doing all this
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  and interested and like you couldn't have spoke a better
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  language to me because this is all i live or breathe or care about
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  like i i really love this stuff and above
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  all i want to do it and try to shape it around god around christ and i i want
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  to have something that i'm building up a platform that it kind of just is a
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  spotlight to god so yeah so whenever you brought up about podcasting and interested in this stuff,
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  I really, I was just taken aback. I wasn't like expecting it.
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  It almost, it had to have been a God thing, us just coming across each other. It was just incredible.
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  I think that's very true. And I know we just, I just got here and we're getting rolling.
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  And I don't know if it's okay with you, but I really like to pray.
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  Oh, yes, definitely. Yeah, I was expecting it. Yeah, like whatever,
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  anything you, because this, I know this is all about the greatness of our God and the spirit moving.
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  I know that you had a lot of things. I'll let you kind of say all that,
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  what you kind of shared with me.
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  Okay. Yeah. However, whatever you feel. Well.
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  Just thank you, Lord. I just want, Lord Jesus Christ, Father God,
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  Yahweh, Holy Spirit, we just invite you into this space and into this moment
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  and into this podcast for your glory to be shown and for your work to come out through us.
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  So not only can it just encourage us, but encourage anybody who's listening
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  and anybody who may listen or watch later and just glorify your name.
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  And what you want to say, say it through us. In Jesus' mighty name we pray.
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  Amen. Amen. Amen.
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  So I'm just, for me, I hear a lot of people talking about who God is,
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  okay? And what's going on in the world.
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  But I think sometimes we forget how big our God is.
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  And for me, I know I can get stuck on what's here in front of me instead of
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  focusing on where Jesus Christ is.
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  And I know that's where, when I get people, is when I'm connecting with him
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  and I stay connected with him and I can make sure that I'm staying connected
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  with him through all my circumstances throughout my day.
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  And trying to make sure that I put him first in the day is a real challenge
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  for me right now as I'm taking on a new job and a new schedule and things like
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  that and trying to make sure that I'm where I'm supposed to be, when I'm supposed to be.
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  And so those precious moments that I get to spend with the Lord,
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  okay, whether that's with Him or even like in this circumstance,
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  I was trying my best to make sure I was here on time, okay?
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  But it's like everything I was trying to do kept me from getting in the Word.
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  And so that was one of the things I wanted to make sure that we did today was
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  get in the Word and talk about how big our God is.
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  So I brought my Bible. Yeah.
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  I'm in love with the Bible. I'm sure you are, too.
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  I'm absolutely in love with it. So, today's Daily Devotional,
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  I hadn't got a chance to read it, and I was—today is the 21st,
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  and it talks about satisfying your thirst, okay?
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  I find that very ironic, because being thirsty for God is something I've been
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  praying about recently,
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  is, Lord satiate my thirst for you So that That I'm filled with the Holy Spirit
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  And that I'm filled with his presence In everything that he brings me to If
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  that makes any sense Because for me,
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  I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that we're doing a podcast and there's not supposed
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  to be any dead air. No, that's perfect.
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  But for me, without the Lord, there is no strength in my walk.
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  I'm completely parched without Him right now.
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  When I don't take that time to make sure that I'm walking in His strength and in His power.
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  So I'm going to read this if that's okay. No, go ahead. Okay, so this is open windows.
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  It's quarterly, and we can get it through our church, and that's where I got from FBC. Really?
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  Yes, and I love the fact that everybody that gets it, they're reading the same scriptures.
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  So Satisfy Your Thirst, the devotional passage, Psalm 42, 1 through 11,
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  and I'll go ahead and read that after I read this memory verse. or this.
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  Anyway, my soul thirsts for God, for the living God.
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  When shall I come and appear before God? And then it goes into Psalm 42.
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  So we'll do that in just a minute.
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  A few moments are so refreshing when after toiling under a baking sun,
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  a person enjoys a cool glass of water.
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  The first day of summer signals to us that those hotter months will bring many
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  such moments to quench our thirst. Stay hydrated.
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  Psalm 42 describes a deep longing of thirst for God daily.
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  Daily struggles and trials and troubles of life come to rob us of our joy and
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  our connection with the Lord.
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  Work, stress, family, troubles, and physical ailments can wear down our souls,
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  and introspection is required.
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  The psalmist questions himself, asking, Why art thou cast down, O my soul?
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  Verse 5 and 11. He pinpoints the loss of hope in the Lord, and perhaps a dear
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  search for a stream of water in a harsh wilderness feels hopeless,
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  but God's people are never far from spiritual hydration.
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  Wilderness experts teach various ways to extract water from unlikely sources,
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  including digging and drying it from vegetation.
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  The psalmist employs two techniques to satisfy his thirsty soul,
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  praise and remembrance.
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  Bringing praise to God for his regular help and remembering his past kindness
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  can help the weary Christian.
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  Father, I long for you, my source of soul-satisfying refreshment.
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  That's really good. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. And so I wanted to go to Psalm
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  42, if that's okay. That's my favorite verse in the Bible.
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  How the deer pants for the water brook? Yes. That's my favorite verse in the Bible.
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  Wow. Yeah. Is that cool or what? Do you have your Bible handy?
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  Do you want to read it? I don't, but... Do you want to read it?
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  I was going to say, if you want to read it, go ahead. Read just the first verse
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  or the... The whole thing. I mean, yeah, tell me what God's going to do. Yeah, sure.
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  Psalm 42, verse 1, and it says... Oh, sorry, did you say Psalms?
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  Yeah. Oh, it's on Isaiah.
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  Oh, sorry. Oh, no, it's okay. But that's a good one, too.
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  Behold the servant of the Lord. All right, let me, Psalm 42, verse 1.
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  So what drove you to Psalm 42? Was it the devotion or was it just...
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  It was a devotion. The devotion.
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  But I know there was no coincidence with God.
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  So he knew that we were going to be doing this podcast on this day.
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  Oh, yeah. Way before he did, you know, before that quarterly was put out.
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  He knew. Oh, yeah. His perfect timing. Uh-huh.
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  Gosh, that's awesome. All right. Psalm 42 says, As the deer pants for the water
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  brooks, so pants my soul for you, O God. My soul thirsts for God,
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  for the living God. When shall I come and appear before God?
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  My tears have been my food day and night, while they continually say to me, Where is your God?
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  When I remember these things, I pour out my soul within me, for I used to go with the multitude.
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  I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise,
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  with a multitude that kept a pilgrim feast.
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  Why are you cast down, O my soul, and why are you disquieted within me?
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  Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him for the help of His countenance.
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  O my God, my soul is cast down within me. Therefore, I will remember you from
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  the land of the Jordan, and from the heights of Hermon, from the hills Mazar.
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  Deep calls unto deep at the noise of your waterfalls. All your waves and billows have gone over me.
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  The Lord will command His lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the night His song shall be with me.
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  A prayer to the God of my life. I will say to my God, my rock,
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  why have you forgotten me?
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  Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?
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  As with a breaking of my bones, my enemies reproach me. While they say to me
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  all day long, where is your God?
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  Why are you cast down, O my soul? And why are you disquieted within me?
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  Hope in God, for I shall yet praise him, the help of my countenance and my God.
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  Praise God. So what does that say to you? So I just hear over and over that
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  I think of people saying, where's your God?
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  Just saying like, because that's all I hear all day long, primarily because
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  I listened to a lot of atheists and a lot of people that don't believe in God.
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  And just if you put anything out on YouTube, at least from my perspective,
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  I just hear that everybody else that disagrees with God and just because a lot
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  of times the people that are vocal and for God aren't really the ones in the
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  comments, at least for me, the ones that are in the comments are the ones that
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  just seem like they hate God.
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  And they just want to make fun of it and it's all stupid. Right.
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  But that reminds me of just like, why are you disquieted within me?
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  And just my thirst is for God.
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  I mean, that's why I go to that song
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  because it just, it best describes me because I don't want to breathe.
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  I want to be just taken out of this earth unless I can have God.
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  I'm like, I desire him so much.
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  You know what I mean? No, I totally get it.
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  So, with that being said, I understand sometimes the world out there,
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  and I know that the flesh or the world is still in me, because on the way over here, I'm like,
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  I was listening to songs and trying to praise the Lord, and my soul was being
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  disquieted within me, and trying to go back to prayers that haven't been answered yet,
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  okay, that I've been praying for a very long time.
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  And trying to take me out of the peace and the joy that the Lord has given me.
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  And it's a struggle to stay in that, you know, peace and that relationship,
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  that peace that He gives us.
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  It's a struggle to stay in that when the world is coming against you or even
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  your unbelief is coming against you, you know, coming against,
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  you know, the gift that God has given us is peace.
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  And so when that thirsty soul, I had to quickly take that thought captive and
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  say, okay, that's not God.
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  That's the enemy of my soul. That's the world that's trying to stop me from
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  communing and praising my God.
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  Where is it? That was something I was just reading? Yeah.
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  Yeah, like I know what you mean. I hope in God and I shall yet praise him.
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  Verse 5, why are you cast down on my soul? while you're disquieted within me, hoping God.
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  Yet praise Him for the help of His countenance." And that's what I'm trying
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  to say is, one of the things that the Lord has impressed upon me,
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  because I used to go around murmuring.
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  I think that was why I was not seeing victory in my life in areas and complaining
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  and listening to a lot of complaints and listening to a lot of naysayers.
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  And especially within my own voice, okay, where I wasn't trusting the God who
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  created me, who saved me, who kept showing up for me in other ways.
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  I wasn't trusting him in certain areas of my life, and that's why I wasn't getting
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  victory in those areas of my life.
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  And he kept saying, you need to praise me, okay?
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  You don't want to be wandering around like those Jews for 40 years in the desert.
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  You need to praise me. You need to thank me for who I am and keep your eyes
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  fixed on that instead of on the storm, instead of on, you know,
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  the things that you don't believe.
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  If you say you trust me, trust me in all of it, especially when people are coming against you.
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  And I'm like, okay, Lord, show me how to do that.
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  And he keeps doing that.
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  Just like the thirsty soul.
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  I'm not kidding. A couple days ago, the Lord says, you need to drink lots of water.
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  Drink lots of soul, lots of water. Refresh yourself.
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  Refresh your spirit. Refresh your spirit in me so you don't get so drained with
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  whatever the world is throwing at you.
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  And I'm like, yeah, that's good. That's good. Lord, help me. Help me to do that.
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  You know, and clinging on to him, like, you know, I don't know.
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  What this says to me is, therefore, remember you from the land of Jordan,
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  from the heights of Hermon.
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  So that's a mountaintop. From the hills, Mazar, deep calls to deep,
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  at the noise of your waterfalls, all your waves and your billows have gone over me.
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  So that's his peace and his presence going over me and bringing me to the mountaintop
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  so I can remember those mountaintop moments. Does it make any sense?
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  Remembering those mountaintop moments where he's, you know, the best that he's given you.
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  And that's what I'm trying to remember about how big our God is.
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  That's one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast with you is because I
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  feel like a lot of times we get so bogged down with where this world is with
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  the kids, with the routines, with the responsibilities and things like that.
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  And also the, what's going on politically in the world and what's going on, you know? Yeah.
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  And, and, and I even hear this from pastors talking about what president,
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  what president Trump is going to do and what Netanyahu is going to do and what
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  Iran's going to do and everything like that.
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  And I'm like, I don't look at it that way anymore.
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  And even when I'm reading the Bible, I really do see the Holy Spirit moving throughout this.
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  I see God moving throughout this a whole lot more because I need to keep my
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  eyes focused on Him because every time I take my eyes off of God,
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  I'm back onto the storm and it feels like I'm back in that same spot where I
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  was sometimes, you know, because,
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  I don't understand exactly why that is, but it feels like I'm back in that same mire that I was in.
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  Like I haven't been able to defeat that whenever I take my eyes off of God.
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  So I got to keep my eyes on him and not on my circumstances,
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  not on the world, not on what's bringing me down, if that makes any sense. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So you seem like you're a lot more, and I look at other people,
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  I feel like I look at you and say you're a lot closer to God than me.
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  Me or something you're in more in tune i've never been a person
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  i i've never felt like i feel
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  god or i i i um or i
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  sense his presence or i sense the spirit i don't
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  i've never had that and i i remember early when i
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  became a christian just talking with my father-in-law like and
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  he was saying like like he's saying he
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  never felt called into the ministry i but i
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  early on i wanted to become some type of minister but i.
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  Never understood how do you even feel a call i never actually
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  feel god's presence or sense the spirit moving
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  at all i've never had that and i don't know if it's just my
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  makeup because like just even like musically i
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  don't have like a sense for like the tone and how people
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  like are like they they can hear something they that this doesn't fit
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  right i don't know if there's like the note and i've just
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  the reason i bring that up is because like almost like there's musical notes
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  in this world how everything's composed together jesus is the
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  word he's the word of god he's the one like holding everything
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  together and it is almost like a jesus language
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  that the whole fabric of our being is held
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  together in in contact so i've never i
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  that i bring that up because i don't know if me not
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  being able to sense god's spirit or anything like that is in
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  that same vein i just naturally don't have that gifting
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  or what but because when i hear you talk about
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  it like you like say because we were just talking on
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  that when we were talking on the phone that one time you you said let me
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  pray to god or let me ask you said
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  something and you like you like you see almost you got some insight
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  or intel from god right immediately to you and
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  then you started going like like let me pray about this let me feel the
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  spirit move and then you went with it and i was like i've never had that i've.
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  Never had where i can actually feel god's spirit and actually does that make
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  sense at all yeah yeah it does it it does and i don't know it's because i started
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  walking with the lord at necessity at a very young age,
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  and so my spirit was trained to lean on the Lord, okay?
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  And then even though I walked away from the Lord, okay, I had some real visual
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  experiences with the Lord,
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  tangible experiences, some real experiences where I saw the Lord come into our
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  realm, okay, at very early ages. Maria, you said that, yeah.
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  Yeah, I remember that. Because of neglect, parental neglect,
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  not that I want to go into it deeply, but was left by both of my parents at
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  very early ages and had to call on the Lord.
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  And he is a very present help in times of trouble. And he is there for the orphan
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  and the widow, just like he says in his word.
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  And so when I'm reading certain parts of Psalms and it talks about what the
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  Lord has done for us— It's powerful when you're reading this,
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  and it's one of my favorite psalms. I tend to read towards the end of it.
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  I will seek the Lord, that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days
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  of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord, to inquire in His temple.
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  For in the time of trouble, He shall hide me in His pavilion.
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  And that's about the rapture.
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  In the secret place of His tabernacle, He shall hide me and set me high upon a rock.
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  And what I meant to do is I usually read that. And let me go down to verse 7 of Psalm 27.
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  Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice, have mercy upon me and answer me.
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  When you said, seek my face, my heart said to you, seek your face.
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  And seek your face, Lord. I will, wow, I'm messing up.
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  My heart said to you, your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide your face from me.
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  Do not turn your servant away in anger.
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  You have been my help. Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God, of my salvation.
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  When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take care of me.
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  Teach me your way, O Lord, and lead me into a smooth path because of my enemies.
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  Deliver me from the will of my adversaries.
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  And it goes into false witnesses have risen up against me.
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  But verse 13 continues, And I would have lost heart unless I believed I would
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  see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
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  Wait on the Lord and be of good courage, and He shall strengthen your heart. Wait on the Lord, I say.
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  And I love reading the words of the Lord back to him, but also reading this verse from 7 through 11.
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  Okay reading that sigh.
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  One of the times when I really needed the Lord, I was about between seven and
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  nine, and I can't tell you exactly what it was.
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  My grandmother was making sure we went to a Presbyterian church over in Leavenworth,
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  and it was definitely more biblical than it is now, Presbyterian church.
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  But I asked the Lord if he's real, you know, to come help me because I was really
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  being abused as a child and neglected.
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  And yeah, but anyway, I asked the Lord, if you're real, where are you?
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  You said if we call upon you, that you'll be there to help.
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  And he said to me, well, you're on the throne of your own heart.
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  You have to remove yourself from the throne of your own heart and place me there.
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  And so when I read now the scriptures, I have to humble myself.
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  And that's one of the things the Lord has really expressed to me.
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  Humble myself and get out of the way so He can be on the throne of my heart,
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  so He can work in and through me.
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  And yes, I do feel the presence of the Lord when I'm trying—His heart when I'm
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  trying to read this. So it's like, it's like, I'm trying to,
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  when I'm reading the word, I'm trying to connect my heart with his heart, if that makes any sense.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So, so it's not really my feeling when I'm, when I'm saying I'm
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  feeling this, I, it's like, I'm feeling the, the, the Lord's heart, you know?
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  Whenever you, he said like, get on the, I need to be on the phone.
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  You're like, how, what are you, are you, you're just feeling it?
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  Are you hearing it? Or how do you, like, how do you sense it?
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  Like, I just didn't know if, I don't know if, if I'm just completely just missing it.
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  And Jesse, I don't know if you can speak to this or anything like that,
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  because you might, you have your own perspective about it.
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  But like, I'm curious, like, how did you, whenever you feel his presence or
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  how did you, how did you hear him say that?
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  Okay. So right now, my, my, my heart is wanting to seek the face of the Lord. Okay.
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  So I will go to verse 8 and say, when you said, seek my face,
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  my heart said to you, your face, Lord, I will seek. So that is my prayer.
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  Lord, make my mind, my heart be open to you to seek your face and all that you have.
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  And for me to be completely removed and humble under your will, Lord, and not my own.
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  So, it's submitting, letting go of my wants, my fears, my everything,
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  and trusting Him with all that I am, if that makes any sense.
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  And so, when I'm feeling the Lord, it is emptying myself and saying,
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  it doesn't matter what I want.
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  The only thing that matters is His will. And so saying that prayer over and
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  over again until you're like, okay, Lord, whatever your will is,
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  okay, I don't want my will.
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  But I remember when I was seven doing this and trying to read Psalms when I
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  couldn't read very well and saying to the Lord, your face I will seek,
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  you know, your will I seek.
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  I want you to be on the throne of my heart, you know, and then asking Him in
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  and then trusting Him that He is.
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  Because I'm reading his words back to him.
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  And his word is sharper than a two-edged sword, piercing soul, bone, and marrow.
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  Okay? So if it can do that, if we trust that, if we say that is the firm foundation
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  in which we stand, then my unbelief needs to just be quiet and get out of the
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  way and trust what he says has just been done.
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  And then lean into that and say, okay, if this is true, then Lord,
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  how do I proceed with my prayer life?
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  What do you want me to pray? And just be still and say, okay, Lord, what is your will?
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  And just let him speak. Let him speak. But like, that's, I've just,
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  to me, no matter how far along I become a Christian, I don't ever,
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  it always feels like he's a wall.
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  And I feel the hiddenness of God, like, extremely. and
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  i'm not like a person like i i love god
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  and i'm seeking him but it in all how i
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  experience the world it is like he's not there in
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  a lot of ways it feels like i like but like i know he
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  is and i believe in him okay if that makes sense like and
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  i'm just like i don't ever
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  necessarily feel him i feel like he in a
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  lot of ways is kind of out there but he
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  is not deep it's not as bad as used to be i
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  think a lot of things i had a lot of chemical issues in my mind and
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  i was on medication all that and and had a lot of issues i've come out of that
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  in a lot of ways but it hasn't changed the sense that when people talk about
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  the hiddenness of god and i like see it completely i i understand what they're
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  talking about because in for all counts and measures it,
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  god has made it seem like he is not there at
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  all he's he's like made a fashion to world where he
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  can be completely explained away and then i think that is the element of that's
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  where faith has to grab on he's still is there even though for like you're in
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  you're in a middle of battle or war and there's there's carnage all over everything's
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  just terrible and like but yet god is still there to me it's like.
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  That's the test of faith. And I don't know if this makes sense at all to you,
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  but like, this is just how I, how I kind of see the world just is for all.
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  It just doesn't feel like he's there ever to me. And I, I, I like almost desire
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  so much for like, we're like, I hear you or even other people talk about like
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  feeling him or feeling the spirit, you know? And I, I just.
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  Well, a lot of that has been stepping out in faith. Okay.
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  And where he says, go going. Okay. And then experience from my past to say,
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  okay, that was God, that was God, that was God.
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  And if that makes any sense. And seeing him supernaturally move in my life.
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  And so a recent experience, more recent experience in the last few years,
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  I was homeless because of injuries that had happened to me where people had
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  hit my car and stuff like that and I couldn't work.
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  And so I was really afraid because I didn't have anybody, any family or friends
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  that I could turn to that would help me.
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  I tried to turn to them. And at the time, the Lord was trying to break me of
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  codependency, okay, because I grew up being codependent.
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  And he didn't want me doing that anymore. Like, what does that mean?
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  Codependent means that you really rely on somebody else to be your sort,
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  be your God, for lack of a better term.
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  And to be, it usually comes from alcoholic families,
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  okay, where people aren't necessarily addicted to alcohol, they're addicted
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  to the relationship and the symbiotic, bad symbiotic relationship,
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  if that makes any sense. Yeah.
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  With that being said, God didn't want me doing that anymore because it was crippling
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  me, you know, because I was attracted to alcoholics that were really not well.
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  And I'm like, okay, God doesn't want me doing this anymore. He wants me to turn to him.
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  And so, and I was afraid to turn to people.
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  I was afraid to turn to others, you know, because I was ashamed of where I was,
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  even though it wasn't something that I did. It was something that happened to
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  me. And sometimes when it's an overwhelming force and it keeps happening over
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  and over again, you're like, God, what's going on?
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  And that's where it was. It's like either enemy was trying to take me out or
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  God was trying to show me a lesson. And I think it was a little bit of both.
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  Okay. That God removes that veil so the enemy can come in and,
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  you know, make you humble yourself, you know, humble before the Lord.
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  And one of the things he made
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  very clear to me was that that I
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  should not fear any other person on this planet because he
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  is my provider here is my source and he made it very clear
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  because I would go to somebody and ask for help and they would tell me no okay
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  and it's only when I turned to him when I turned to him and
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  asked him to help me and lord who do
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  I go to who do I help who who is going to
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  help me you know get into a situation where
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  I'm not homeless I'm not living in my car where i
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  where i can get the help i need and he sent
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  me to the the person that
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  i had already gone to multiple times he told me they wouldn't help me but he
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  changed their hearts because he changes the hearts and minds of men we don't
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  i have 100 agree yeah and a lot of people don't think that yeah well he does
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  and i've seen it you know he softens their hearts and and like pharaoh Okay.
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  Now Pharaoh already determined to harden his heart. And I have determined to
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  harden my heart in areas where I was having trouble trusting the Lord.
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  And I belong to him. Okay.
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  So, and so I understand that. So, but I don't think God really purposely hardens
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  people's heart. He just gives them over.
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  Like, fine. You want to go that way? Keep going. He doesn't have to do much to harden our hearts.
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  No, he doesn't. He just takes his hand away and then we harden it ourselves.
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  Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
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  And so it's like, for me, it was like I could either stay here and just wallow in a hot car, okay?
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  And not having any resources, not having any money and not having a way out.
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  Or I can turn to Jesus Christ and go where he told me to go, okay?
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  And I'm like, okay, fine, I'll go, I'll go. And I didn't want to,
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  okay? But I did. And so...
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  Letting him lead me, okay, into that. And the other thing he said to me is,
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  you should not fear man, okay, because man's not in control.
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  No man is in control of this planet. I'm in control of this planet.
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  I'm your God. And if you're going to trust me, if you're going to trust me to
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  be your firm foundation, you need to make sure you know who you're following.
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  You need to make sure that you know who I am. So get back in the Word and start
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  reading the Word and start trusting every word I say, and let me lead you where I want you to go.
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  And I still don't do that, you know, perfectly.
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  I'm far from it. But what I'm trying to say is, I know every word of this scripture is true.
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  And I read out of the New King James Version of the Bible, and every time I
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  tried to test it and stand on it, it was there.
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  And so I have years of experience walking with the Lord, and I can look back and say, that was God.
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  Just recently, I just got a job and it was a blessing from God because my heart
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  wasn't where the Lord needed it to be.
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  I needed to be humbled and take whatever He wanted to give me.
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  And I remember saying to prayer, Lord, please, can you make this easy because
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  it's been so hard to find a job?
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  Can you please make it easy to where somebody just give me a job on the spot, like they used to do.
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  And so I was applied for probably like 300 jobs on Indeed over a couple months period.
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  And it's probably more than that. But anyway, I digress to say...
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  Many people were praying for me. I think half the free world,
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  the Christian world, was praying for me to get it.
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  And I had to get my heart right to receive that, even though I was asking people to pray for me.
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  And so it was early on a Monday morning, and I was giving some of my pain to God.
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  I finally was at the point where I couldn't hold it anymore,
• 36:58
  and I was giving my pain to God.
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  Because there was no one else to call or turn to, to talk to at 3 a.m.
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  In the morning. and gave my pain to God.
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  And the next thing that morning, I got this phone call about this job,
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  okay? And they wanted me to come in for an interview.
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  And right after I got off the phone with that, I clearly heard the Lord say, Annette, I love you.
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  And I haven't heard him that clearly in years, in years.
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  And then as I'm getting out of my car to go to the interview,
• 37:28
  he said, be prepared to receive an on-the-spot job offer. And I'm like, okay.
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  And he said it again, be prepared to receive on-the-spot job offer, and that's what I got.
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  Wow. And it is wow. Yeah.
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  That's awesome. Well, praise God. That's awesome. That's amazing. Yes.
• 37:47
  So when you talk about not feeling the Lord, sometimes when I don't feel Him,
• 37:55
  it's because He wants me to walk by faith, okay, and not by sight.
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  So I can test Him in these things, okay?
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  And I don't know why I get to hear him in ways.
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  I think one of the reasons I get to hear him, and I heard a pastor in Portland,
• 38:18
  Oregon say this, A.D. Creek, Pastor Brett Meader, okay?
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  Phenomenal pastor, if anybody wants to listen to him. He's got a large church,
• 38:25
  I think like 4,000 people, but up in Portland, Oregon area, really great pastor.
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  But anyway, you can tell when the Holy Spirit's speaking to you because you
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  will pray and then other people will answer that prayer. Have you ever had that experience?
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  I can think of, I'm sure I could think of something.
• 38:46
  Yeah, I think of certain things, but maybe not in that same vein.
• 38:50
  So I was asking the Lord, so why would you give me revelation and knowledge,
• 38:55
  okay, that not everybody knows, his foreknowledge about things that are going
• 38:59
  to happen because he's done that more than once in my life.
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  And, for example, with October 7th, when Israel was back, he told me months before that happened.
• 39:10
  But anyway, I digress. And I was asking the Lord, this was about a year ago,
• 39:15
  Lord, why do you give me this information, you know?
• 39:19
  And hardly anybody believes me when I tell them, you know, and he says,
• 39:24
  it's because you have a big mouth, you'll tell everybody.
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  I remember you saying that. Yes. So how did he kind of disclose that to you,
• 39:30
  or how did you receive that, like it was going to happen, like something similar
• 39:34
  to October 7th was going to go down?
• 39:37
  Okay, so I'll try and make this long story short.
• 39:41
  So I've been praying for 30 years to be able to go to a prophecy conference,
• 39:45
  and Prophecy Watchers is a worldwide television program.
• 39:51
  They've been on the air for 10 years, like through TBN and different Christian
• 39:57
  televisions and also some mainstream.
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  But anyway, so I prayed to the Lord.
• 40:03
  I was really walking closely with the Lord at that time. And it really doesn't
• 40:07
  matter how close you walk with the Lord when you're getting words of knowledge
• 40:12
  or revelation or things like that.
• 40:14
  And I asked him, I said, I would really love to go to a prophecy conference.
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  Lord, how do I do this? Can you show me how to make this happen?
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  And he had me get in touch through Facebook with the new co-host,
• 40:28
  Mondo Gonzalez, and got a hold of him.
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  And I said, I've been praying to go to a prophecy conference for 30 years.
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  Could you help me? And he did.
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  He helped me find—he gave me a ticket, and that's over $100,
• 40:42
  okay, to go to this prophecy conference in Norman, Oklahoma.
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  And then where a lot of the pastors I've been watching since before 2020—,
• 40:54
  they were going to be there speaking, you know.
• 40:57
  And anyway, so this was back in like August of 2023.
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  And so those pastors were also talking about going over to a trip to Europe.
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  And when they started announcing that, I started getting some fear.
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  And I'm asking, Lord, why am I getting fear?
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  And usually when I get afraid, I've learned to ask what that's about because
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  usually that's something from the enemy that's trying to stop me from doing
• 41:25
  something God wants me to do, okay?
• 41:28
  So I was asking the Lord, why am I fearful about this, okay?
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  And he revealed to me that I needed to pray for these pastors because I kept
• 41:38
  having fear that they were going to have trouble getting back from Europe because
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  they're coming back from Europe right a week before this conference.
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  And the Lord told me to pray for them because they were going to have trouble
• 41:47
  getting back from Europe.
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  But at the same time, this is around August, September time,
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  this keeps going on, okay, where the Lord keeps telling me to pray for him.
• 41:57
  And then I get this, that there's going to be a war, okay?
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  And I don't understand about the war. I don't. I don't understand exactly what
• 42:07
  the Lord's trying to tell me. It's just he keeps saying there's going to be a war.
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  And I'm like, okay. Okay, so Mondo Gonzalez hooks me up with Ken Johnson,
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  who lives down in Gardner, Kansas, and he studies the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 42:23
  Phenomenal researcher, phenomenal.
• 42:25
  He's a pastor, but he doesn't teach. I mean, he doesn't preach out of church.
• 42:30
  He just has that degree, and he's one of the few non-Jews that get to study the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 42:38
  It's a phenomenal podcast he does on Mondays at 7. if anybody's interested.
• 42:42
  But anyway, what I was going to say is, so I got to ride down with Ken Johnson's
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  student, and I was telling her about everything that was happening,
• 42:52
  that there was going to be a war.
• 42:53
  So I told her everything, how God led me to get in the car with this woman I'd
• 42:58
  never met before, and how God had took me up with Mondo Gonzalez,
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  you know, and just how God led me through all that, including praying for those
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  pastors that were over in Europe, Mondo,
• 43:10
  Pastor Brandon Halthouse, Pastor Billy Crone.
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  I'm trying to think who else was over there.
• 43:16
  Ken Michael with Jen Markell's ministry. They all went over to Europe and they
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  were having trouble getting back.
• 43:23
  And Tom Hughes, Pastor Tom Hughes, he was a pastor.
• 43:25
  And they all have trouble getting back because the spiritual forces over in
• 43:28
  Europe are really, really dark. Like, what do you mean?
• 43:32
  Well, there's hardly any Christians there. And so when Christians give up ground,
• 43:37
  okay, there's a vacuum, spiritual vacuum.
• 43:40
  Because we really are spiritual beings having a human experience, okay?
• 43:45
  And so when we give up spiritual ground and say, no, I'm not going to stand here, the tide comes in.
• 43:53
  It's kind of like water when you, you know, take up, you know,
• 43:57
  space that water comes flooding in. It's kind of like that, for lack of a better term.
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  And so I was praying for them to come back, praying for them as they were coming
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  back from Europe. Because I told Mondo ahead of time, you guys are going to have trouble.
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  So I'm going to pray for you because God told me to pray for you.
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  And when it came to the war, I regret to say that I was so excited about going
• 44:19
  to my very first prophecy conference and meeting all these people that have
• 44:23
  been feeding me spiritually, you know, on podcasts,
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  you know, because they become a little bit of a celebrity on their own,
• 44:29
  pastors and stuff like that,
• 44:31
  and that I was a little bit afraid to tell them about what the Lord has shared
• 44:36
  with me because it wasn't clear
• 44:38
  to me because I wasn't pressing into the Lord about what the war was.
• 44:42
  I just knew a war was coming. I didn't know when. I didn't press into the Lord
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  about it because I didn't want Him reigning on my prophecy conference parade, okay?
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  Seriously, and I'm ashamed of that.
• 44:53
  I should have went up to Mondo and told him and not be afraid.
• 44:57
  I should have. But I was so excited about that experience. I've never had that experience before.
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  And the day before Israel was attacked, I woke up with a vision of being attacked
• 45:09
  by, just like some of the Jewish women were attacked over in Israel the next morning.
• 45:14
  We woke up in Norman, Oklahoma, all these prophecy teachers who are well-connected
• 45:19
  with Israel with their alerts going off first thing in the morning.
• 45:22
  And it was the morning before that. And me and my friend Stacy,
• 45:27
  who's now my friend, got there to Norman, Oklahoma and checked into the motel room at,
• 45:33
  on Thursday, Thursday evening, and woke up Friday morning, and I had woke up
• 45:38
  early morning to this vision of somebody breaking into the room and attacking me.
• 45:42
  And I didn't know that's what happened to the Jewish people,
• 45:45
  but that's what was happening.
• 45:47
  I didn't put two and two together until months afterwards.
• 45:52
  But no, that's just one example of things where the Lord gives me information ahead of time.
• 45:59
  And sometimes it comes really clear, okay?
• 46:03
  Sometimes it's like, okay, you need to speak, you need to speak,
• 46:06
  you need to speak, you need to tell people, okay?
• 46:08
  And other times it's kind of like my own fear will get in the way or my own
• 46:14
  busyness will get in the way.
• 46:15
  And then I don't like, Lord, is this really you?
• 46:19
  Or am I letting fear get in the way and so
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  i'm not perfect at it but i i do try and and say
• 46:25
  when just like i i'm like psalm
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  83 started on october 7th
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  that that prophecy now for anybody that's not aware the october 7th is when
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  israel was attacked by by hamas or in palestine or would you characterize that
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  as just hamas primarily or palestine themselves or they're at that time they
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  were pretty much being run by Hamas,
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  and they still are there's so much in that whole conversation with Israel and
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  Palestine and it's it's a very almost a tight rope you have to walk because it's a very political,
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  polarizing situation because some people are very passionate one way or the other about it.
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  And I want to be careful talking about that too because Lord let your truth
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  and your love for all the people involved,
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  be edified here, Lord, and be so palpable here, Lord, that we can all sense it,
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  that your truth will be known, and your heart for the people involved will be
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  just shown and felt throughout this podcast and through this meeting.
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  So Psalm 83, I want to go into that a little bit.
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  So a prayer to frustrate conspiracy against Israel is what Psalm 83 is about.
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  Do not keep silent, O God, do not hold your peace.
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  Do not be still, O God, for behold, your enemies make a tumult.
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  And those who hate you have lifted up their head.
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  They have taken a crafty counsel against your people and consulted together
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  against your sheltered ones.
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  They have said, come and let us cut them off from being a nation.
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  So who is that talking about?
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  Israel. Yeah. And this prayer is asking God to get involved.
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  And so the name of Israel may be remembered no more, but they have consulted
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  and gathered with one consent.
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  They form a confederacy against you. The tents of Edom, the Israelites, Moab and Hagarites,
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  and Jebal and Ammon and Amalek and Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre,
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  Assyria, also have joined them with, They have helped the children of Lot deal
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  with them in Midian, as with Caesarea,
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  as with Jabin and Brooke Kashan, who were killed, who perished at Endor,
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  who became refuse on the earth.
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  Make their nobles like Oreb and Ziba Yes,
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  all their places like Ziba and Zaluna Who said,
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  let us take ourselves The pastor of God as a possession So this is a psalm of
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  Asaph Who was a prophet of David's, okay?
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  And so he's seeing the future time That we are dealing with now, okay?
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  Because this has not happened in previous history. This is a current time now.
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  This psalm is talking about the time we're actually living in now.
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  And some can say that it kind of started back in as Israel has been a nation.
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  The Six-Day War? Yes, yes, yes.
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  We're different. We're the surrounding areas. But you don't hear a country, okay?
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  You hear people groups. And that's what this is talking about.
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  Where I think the Six-Day War, there was nations coming against them,
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  and this is not nations coming against us, this is people groups,
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  like Hamas, like Hezbollah, like,
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  different people groups that are coming against them. Like, I forget now exactly
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  all the different people groups that Israel's dealing with.
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  Forgive me. The Iranians and the surround nations.
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  And, yeah. So that's what this is talking about here.
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  And he goes on and prays what he's asking the Lord to deal with them.
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  And now he's asking them to deal with them because of the conspiracy that they've
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  had to come against Israel and cut them off and be in a nation.
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  And the horrible things that they did to the—I don't know how much you want
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  to go into, but it's pretty— What they did to the—when they attacked them on
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  that day? Yeah, yeah, it's awful. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  I know bits and pieces of it. Like, I—I mean, I saw—I just remember the videos
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  that came out and all that, that they showed, and it was terrible.
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  Yeah, it was. It really was. And it's like Israel's 9-11, you know?
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  Oh, yeah. Yeah, and how impactful it is, because there's only 12 million Jews in the world, okay?
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  More than half of them are in Israel right now, okay?
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  And the Muslims want to cut them off and be in a nation, you know?
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  And it's awful, because there's like 40 nations that are Muslim,
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  okay? And one Jewish state.
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  And it's the size of— I heard New Jersey. Yes, yes. The size of New Jersey.
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  It's tiny, when you look at it on the map, you know? And the UN is even coming against them.
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  And it's frustrating that we are in the last days dealing with this,
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  you know, and seeing this where the whole world is coming against Israel.
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  But on the other hand, Israel being God's timepiece, it just encourages us to
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  see how big our God is and how he's in control and how...
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  How much he loves the Jewish nation, because everything trying to come against
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  the Jewish nation, the Lord is protecting them.
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  And like the first time when I ram-bombed them, okay, they were saying it was
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  like an invisible hand that was over Israel.
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  And I know I was praying for that. I know a couple other people that were praying for that too.
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  I'm sure many were, that the Lord's hand be over Israel, protect them.
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  And not one single bomb did anything.
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  And they shot over 300 or i can't remember it was quite a lot of bombs at israel
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  from iran yeah and not one damaged anything and i know that's not the case right
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  now and i'm not quite sure exactly,
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  what's gonna what's where it's at today because i haven't been focused on it
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  too much because i've been trying to focus on what the lord's having me deal
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  with and making sure i'm supposed to be where i'm supposed to be but are you
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  are you familiar kind of what is happening though like with the whole Iranian
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  situation and the U.S. U.S. getting involved, possibly.
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  It's still like within, yeah, they're saying at any moment, you know,
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  Donald Trump has given a two-week window, but that could be like,
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  we could be sending airstrikes any day.
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  You know, it could happen. Or it might just be him just giving a big strong
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  posture whenever he doesn't really intend to. I don't think so.
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  I really think, well, yeah.
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  You read Jeremiah. And I did want to say when you brought up Psalm 83, that is about Israel.
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  Because I just, in devil's advocate, I know what people would say.
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  Because this is a thing that people are bringing up about Israel.
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  When it speaks about Israel in the Bible, is that the same Israel today? The nation of Israel.
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  And I don't know if you had any thoughts on that. Because that is... I do. Go ahead.
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  No, so a couple things. Okay.
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  So, one, have you ever heard of the term Aliyah, where God puts it in their
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  heart to go back to— To pilgrim, pilgrimage to Jerusalem? Yes.
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  And so, a couple things about that is the devil thinks those are the Jews because
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  he's attacking them like they're
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  the Jewish people, whether people want to believe that or not, okay?
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  And people who claim themselves to be Jews but are not anxious to make Aliyah
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  back to Israel because the Lord says, Lord,
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  he says that he will bring all the Jewish people, okay, back to Israel, okay?
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  He's going to bring them all back in unbelief, okay?
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  So that's what a lot of people are so complaining about is, well,
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  they don't believe in God, okay? The Lord says in Ezekiel, he's going to bring
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  them back in unbelief, okay?
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  And so then with these wars and this persecution and also with the rapture,
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  okay, of the church, that they will see that there is a God in heaven, okay?
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  And they will sadly turn to the wrong false God, you know, one that comes in
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  his own name, okay, the Antichrist. Okay.
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  But through persecution, the Lord will bring him where they will call out,
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  I can't say it in Jewish, but blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
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  And that's when the second coming comes, happens.
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  And so you think that because I'm starting to come more and more because I always
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  used to kind of push away that with a rapture.
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  I know there is a rapture because we're all called up.
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  But whether it's pre-tribulational, like the church goes up,
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  Christians go up to be with Jesus and then like kind of hell breaks out on earth and that all happens.
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  I, I'd always kind of thought that Christians would be here through all the,
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  the, the apocalypse and all that happening.
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  But like, it does seem like there, that that could be a real possibility,
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  a pre-tribulational rapture of the church being taken up.
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  Let me, let me read this to you one more time.
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  Okay. And there's many scriptures.
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  And so when you're reading the Bible, you read it from beginning to end. Okay.
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  And so the Lord is consistent throughout his word.
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  If he says he's going to change it, like when Jesus said, I give you a new commandment
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  that you should love, you know, the Lord God with all your heart,
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  soul, and your mind, and one another, okay?
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  That's different because the Old Testament was about the Jewish people kind
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  of being separate from the different tribes and stuff like that, okay?
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  But when God came and he gave us a new commandment that was and I don't I'm
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  not quoting that verbatim so I'm going to back off that a little bit but I want to get to what.
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  So back to when you're reading the Bible, you read it as first mention,
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  okay, of something is, so when God first talks about marriage,
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  okay, so that's the form of biblical marriage throughout the Bible.
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  He doesn't change on that, for example.
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  Okay, so when other people say, well, marriage is whatever we want to make it up to.
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  No, that's not what God says. God said marriage is between a man and a woman,
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  even if, you know, some of the, including Jacob, married two wives.
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  That's not the biblical standard. That's not God's will, okay?
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  So I'm going back to Psalm 27. It's not the first mention of it,
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  but it's one of the first mentions of it, okay?
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  Because once you start pressing into it and aware of it, you can see the pre-trib
• 57:29
  rapture all throughout the text.
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  So you are strongly in, you agree with there is a pre-tribulation rapture?
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  Positive of it i'm still not where i i used to
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  kind of like not think that but i of late it's
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  felt like it but then like i don't want to like derail you but
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  does that mean like say jesus this rapture happens it's just all believers jewish
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  or gentile that are immediately that are called up whether they believe believe
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  in christ at that present time they're the ones that are taken out of this world
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  no it's believers who believe in jesus christ whether they're jew or gentile
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  Whether they're Jew or Gentile,
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  if they believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, okay, then you go up.
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  And even children, I believe children under the age of accountability also go up.
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  Okay. So what do you think the age of accountability are like?
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  Some people say 20, and I'm going to go be liberal with that because the brain
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  isn't completely formed until 20.
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  And if so, typology is really important. And so when,
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  When God separated out the people from the age of 20 down, okay,
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  he let go into the promised land.
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  He let live and go into the promised land. And the ones that were above that,
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  he didn't let go into the promised land when they were wandering around.
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  So I never heard that, but I never heard the age of 20. I never like as with
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  age accountability. I think it's age.
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  I have to go back and look at scripture because it's either.
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  But I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Them going to the promised land. But go ahead. Yeah. With the rapture.
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  So when it's first dealt with, usually you can carry that all throughout the Bible.
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  Okay, if it's ever brought up again or any other way or mentioned again,
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  that's the rule of hermeneutics. Okay?
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  Okay, so like I said, this is not the first mention of this,
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  but I know it's one of the early ones in the Old Testament.
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  That I will seek, that I may dwell in the house of the Lord forever all the
• 59:25
  days of my life, to behold his beauty, to inquire in his temple in the time of trouble, okay?
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  And you'll hear it called Jacob's trouble. It's not the church's trouble.
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  It's Jacob's trouble, okay?
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  In the time of trouble, he shall hide me in his pavilion. He shall hide me in
• 59:43
  a secret place. He shall hide me in his tabernacle.
• 59:45
  He shall hide me and he shall set me upon a high rock. So, there's other places
• 59:52
  where I could show you about the rapture where it talks about the earth dwellers.
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  So, we're not the earth dwellers.
• 1:00:01
  We are taken out of here before the tribulation comes because the Lord doesn't beat up his bride, okay?
• 1:00:08
  He punishes—he doesn't just—I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself.
• 1:00:14
  Just like Jesus said, just like in the days of Noah and Lot—.
• 1:00:19
  So shall it be with the coming of the Son of Man. So in the days of Lot,
• 1:00:23
  what happened in the story of Lot?
• 1:00:25
  The two angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah, and they were almost raped.
• 1:00:31
  Yes. And then they got Lot and his wife and children to leave.
• 1:00:36
  Lot's wife turned around, and she got turned into a pillar of salt when the
• 1:00:40
  fireworks happened, and when fire and brimstone rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah.
• 1:00:45
  Right. Like, so Lot and his family were snatched out just before the— So this
• 1:00:51
  is kind of like typology?
• 1:00:52
  Like, that was like a type of the— Yes, yes. And then a greater type of the
• 1:00:57
  Christians or whoever believes in Jesus are going to be taken out of this world.
• 1:01:00
  Right, because even though if you're reading about Lot, you wouldn't call him
• 1:01:04
  a righteous man, but the Holy Spirit does.
• 1:01:06
  He does in the New Testament, calls him righteous Lot, okay?
• 1:01:10
  Yeah. So Lot is a believer in the Lord, and so he gets saved whether he's living
• 1:01:17
  a righteous life or not. It's because of his belief in the Lord.
• 1:01:21
  So he gets saved. So he gets saved out of that, and that's a typology,
• 1:01:26
  just like it was in the days of Lot, just like it was in the days of Noah.
• 1:01:30
  So what was happening in the days of Noah?
• 1:01:32
  But before we leave the Lot in the situation, but if somebody pressed that,
• 1:01:36
  typology, it doesn't stretch out. Like it doesn't fit everything because you
• 1:01:39
  wouldn't say that people that are in Sodom and Gomorrah could still be saved.
• 1:01:43
  Like if the rapture happened and then, cause do you believe like after the rapture
• 1:01:47
  happens, people on earth are still going to be able to turn to the Lord or the,
• 1:01:51
  and the Jews will be able to be saved.
• 1:01:54
  Like it says so. It says so. They're the ones that are going to be kind of on
• 1:01:57
  the earth being going through this.
• 1:02:00
  I'm just saying, like, in Sodom and Gomorrah, there wasn't anybody left,
• 1:02:03
  and, like, they were destroyed.
• 1:02:04
  Like, so, that's, like, if someone— Well, yes, and let me go straight to God's
• 1:02:10
  Word, so it's not my opinion, okay?
• 1:02:13
  Because I feel like sometimes I'm butchering this a little bit,
• 1:02:17
  and I don't want to, okay? So, I'm going to go right straight to Revelation.
• 1:02:21
  So, in chapter 4, the church gets raptured. Where John gets taken up to heaven,
• 1:02:27
  and then he sees the great multitude?
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It does talk about the church being in heaven at that time.
• 1:02:33
  A great multitude. But it also talks about the scrolls being open and I'm trying to find.
• 1:02:39
  And are you, would you say that where the Church of Philadelphia,
• 1:02:42
  where it says, I will, do you read that as like, you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:02:45
  It says like, I will keep you from the hour of trial coming upon the whole earth.
• 1:02:49
  Yes. Because I've heard people say with the rapture, they think that is a hint
• 1:02:52
  towards it. Yes. Do you think that?
• 1:02:54
  Yes. And I just, I know there are verses that people pull out and say this,
• 1:02:58
  this points, this points, and I'm still kind of on the fence.
• 1:03:01
  I don't know where I kind of stand on it. Yeah, no, and, and, and I understand that.
• 1:03:06
  And that's, I love how the Lord works in people. Okay.
• 1:03:09
  I asked the Holy Spirit because I wasn't sure about the rapture,
• 1:03:13
  the timing of the rapture. And I asked the Holy Spirit to lead me into his truth.
• 1:03:17
  Okay. And let me not be deceiving it. Let me not go to the left or to the right.
• 1:03:21
  Let me not get ahead of him or fall behind. could be in his perfect will to
• 1:03:26
  understand what his will is for the church at the time of the rapture and to help me understand it.
• 1:03:33
  And so he led me to pre-tribulation pastors who would teach me his truth.
• 1:03:38
  And I was very skeptical.
• 1:03:40
  I was very hesitant to listen to anybody on it because I really wanted to know the Lord's truth.
• 1:03:45
  And he kept leading to me to Jan Markell's.
• 1:03:50
  Teaching, thought radio. And I'm like, okay, here I am.
• 1:03:54
  I'm in my car and I can't, you know, I don't want to listen to secular music
• 1:03:57
  and I'm not finding any Christian music, but I was finding a Christian talk radio.
• 1:04:02
  And so I kept listening to her and she kept saying it's a pre-tribulation rapture
• 1:04:07
  and they kept going to scriptures after scriptures after scriptures.
• 1:04:10
  So if there's a accumulation of multiple scriptures that say it's pre-tribulation,
• 1:04:14
  it doesn't matter what my previous teaching is yeah
• 1:04:18
  from other people it's what god's word
• 1:04:21
  says and god's word has corrected me many many
• 1:04:23
  times about my wrong thinking yeah so and
• 1:04:27
  that's what i have to go with i just something i would say
• 1:04:29
  about like i i'm always whatever is truth whatever
• 1:04:33
  is right i want to know that i think all christians to
• 1:04:36
  an extent want that you know but like why is
• 1:04:39
  it why are we so divided why can't we all i
• 1:04:42
  don't know it seems like god like doesn't reveal everything to
• 1:04:45
  everyone like i was like there's these things when i early on
• 1:04:48
  became a christian i was always asking i would say to god it seems kind
• 1:04:51
  of corny but i would say to him correct and confirm me like correct and confirm
• 1:04:54
  me if i'm if i'm thinking something right confer confirm it or correct me but
• 1:04:59
  i whatever is true show me show me in the right way because like but it's just
• 1:05:03
  like it's so fractured and what the the church believes like some believe this
• 1:05:08
  and believe this we don't all.
• 1:05:10
  Maybe that's what it's meant to be at this time, or I just don't know why there
• 1:05:16
  is such a different viewpoint or opinion about everything.
• 1:05:21
  Unless you go to the Catholic Church and then they say, this is it,
• 1:05:24
  and you don't step outside of it.
• 1:05:26
  Right. And do you see the Catholic Church as a works-based religion and a false
• 1:05:33
  religion versus— I mean,
• 1:05:35
  it's not that there aren't saved believers inside the Catholic Church,
• 1:05:40
  but the majority of them are a works-based religion,
• 1:05:44
  you know, where they—and it's the one-world religion.
• 1:05:47
  I actually see it as the false religion.
• 1:05:52
  A good part of the false religion that is at the time that Daniel talks about,
• 1:05:58
  and also the book of Revelation talks about, is the woman that rides the beast.
• 1:06:04
  I used to think that as well, and that might still be the case.
• 1:06:09
  My viewpoint on Catholicism has changed so dramatically since I've become a
• 1:06:13
  Christian. Like I used to think it was completely off, but then I,
• 1:06:19
  I just think that they got some things right.
• 1:06:21
  And evangelicals got some things right. I think that nobody has it all right.
• 1:06:25
  I don't think, I don't think the Roman Catholic church has everything right,
• 1:06:28
  but I don't, I think that they are characterized as a work based religion and
• 1:06:33
  it can, it can sometimes come away like that.
• 1:06:36
  But if I don't think they would say that, that from their vantage point,
• 1:06:41
  I don't think they would say that they are work works based. Right.
• 1:06:45
  Right. Because in general, we cannot see our sin unless the light of truth has
• 1:06:51
  been shown into it. Okay.
• 1:06:54
  And so the enemy of our souls, he comes to steal, kill and destroy.
• 1:06:59
  And he also deceives us. He also gets us so busy, anything, to not be in the
• 1:07:06
  word of the Lord, you know, and not know his truth, to not pray.
• 1:07:09
  And so when false religions don't know they're a false religion because they're
• 1:07:15
  not examining the true word of God because they have a predisposition on what they think the truth is.
• 1:07:23
  And instead of going into the word and saying, okay, I'm going to examine my
• 1:07:28
  heart, okay, and say, examine my mind, examine my heart, Lord,
• 1:07:32
  okay, Holy Spirit, since you live in me, examine this and see if I am right with you.
• 1:07:37
  Because I'll be honest with you.
• 1:07:40
  I have to do that sometimes on an hourly basis, especially if I've come across
• 1:07:45
  an offense or if I come across a doctrine that I believed, okay.
• 1:07:49
  Lord, some of this doesn't quite make sense.
• 1:07:52
  Show me what's true. What's a view so I know so I can get this straight because
• 1:07:57
  I don't want to be deceived, you know, because the world is,
• 1:08:00
  and the enemy is so good at deceiving us and our hearts are deceitably wicked above all things.
• 1:08:05
  So the only shining the line of truth can can we get that down straight does
• 1:08:11
  it make any sense oh yeah yeah I mean there's so much there because I I love
• 1:08:15
  to I love talking about all the.
• 1:08:17
  Catholicism and the different churches that are out there because I I we me
• 1:08:21
  and Jesse we did a whole podcast over this about just the the church itself and like I.
• 1:08:27
  I just, I don't like it that we are so kind of divided. And so there's some
• 1:08:31
  go to the, I wish every city was just,
• 1:08:34
  we were, whoever believes in Jesus, we all come together, you know,
• 1:08:37
  and then like that there, maybe there were house churches or whatever,
• 1:08:41
  but there wasn't this, I've never liked the whole, everybody is doing their
• 1:08:46
  own thing kind of Christianity.
• 1:08:48
  Like some people do the Roman Catholic thing. Some people do the Orthodox and
• 1:08:52
  we're, none of us are on the same page.
• 1:08:54
  And but when that one church just says we are the true
• 1:08:57
  church we are the true church i i kind of disagree with that i think the true
• 1:09:03
  church is god knows the people that are his you know and just like that we're
• 1:09:07
  all in believe true believers are in all parts of christianity you know and
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  but there's not one just this is the true church you know i that's how i've
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  kind of seen it well Well,
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  I do and I don't, okay?
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  So, it was once explained to me through Scripture, okay, that in the last days
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  there would be a fallen away. It's in Thessalonians.
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  Thessalonians, the great apostasy will happen, okay?
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  And that's what we're seeing where in the Western world,
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  there's, and I see it as a cloud of mist or water where there's a vacuum where
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  the Holy Spirit is leading Christians further and further and further, further west, okay?
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  Throughout europe and stuff like that is and every
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  time you know the persecuted church is moving
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  the enemy is coming right in behind them
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  to take up you know and take the word and the
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  truth away from the people around them you know because the parable of the tears
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  no the parable of the the wheat and the tares not the wheat and the tares but
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  um the parable of the the ground and how some of it fell on rocky ground. Some of it fell on, okay.
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  So when people get the word, the gospel, the good news, some of it falls on rocky ground.
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  Some of it falls on good ground. And some of it falls on where they get a little
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  bit of the word and then it's eaten up by the sun.
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  The birds, yeah. Yeah, the birds and also the heat or whatever.
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  Yeah, the heat. Yeah, yeah. And so, with that being said,
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  you can see that happening right now where it's happened in our past where,
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  you know, you can go out and get the gospel, and they are so full of the world
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  that their hearts aren't ready.
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  It's only when people's hearts are desperate and they're ready for change that
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  they're able to hear that.
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  I mean, I was even a believer, okay?
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  And then for God to—because I got saved when I was 12—.
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  For God to do something in my life in the last 10 years when I was homeless, He had to break me.
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  He had to break me and get me to the point where I was able to hear Him again
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  instead of believing all the lies and what everybody told me to do.
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  You know, go to this organization, go to this organization, and they'll help you.
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  Well, you know, I wasn't able to get there.
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  For whatever reason, God had stopped me from getting where I needed to go because
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  He needed me to come to Him and believe what He had to say and trust Him to
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  be my provider and not any of these organizations,
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  because a lot of these good organizations will feed the homeless.
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  They will clothe the homeless. They will help them, but they're not giving the
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  gospel, you know, like they used to.
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  And because there are so many false teachers out there, that's another thing
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  is the Scripture says in the last days that there will be mockers who mock the rapture of the church,
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  okay, and mockers that mock the word.
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  That's another sign of us being in the last days. Uh-huh.
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  I just think of, so there's so many people in this world that like they look
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  at Christianity and they just think it's stupid.
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  And so many people that I talk to, I can never reason someone to believe in
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  Christ, to believe in the Bible and say, I'm never going to give a good enough argument.
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  And I think that, like you said, that you have to be broken before you can actually
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  come to Christ. Right. With anybody.
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  You're not going to be sitting in a mansion and everything. You feel great about
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  the world and you love everything.
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  The gospel is going to be completely foreign to you because you almost need
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  to understand how desperate you really are, your condition, before you can come to him.
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  Exactly. Exactly. And I'm experiencing that now with young men,
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  okay, between 18 and 40, okay, who,
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  who are coming, that the Lord's bringing into my circle, okay,
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  because they're young fathers, or they just got a divorce, or they're whatever,
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  and they're like, I don't know where to turn.
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  Okay, I don't know what to do, this world isn't working out like I thought I
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  was going to, okay, every place I've turned, you know, because the world is
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  saying to men, okay, yeah, don't go into your masculinity, okay?
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  You know, do this, do this, and everything that's opposite of what God created them to do.
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  And they're not finding good quality women that will respect them and honor
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  them, but they're trying to find out, which way do I go?
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  And so when somebody that is a Christian, you know, that's filled with Christ
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  and filled with the Holy Spirit comes around them and says,
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  you know what, thank you, and respects them and shows them and treats them like
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  God wants them to be treated, you know, they're just, they're like a moth to
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  a flame, you know, with that.
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  And so you can see how desperate a lot of men are wanting to turn to Christ.
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  It's just a matter of speaking, somebody being bold enough to take the time
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  to speak truth into their lives.
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  That's what I'm seeing Christ doing right now. Not so much with the women, okay?
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  But definitely with the young men, but I think men need to step up and lead.
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  Why would you say not with the women? It seemed like it would be the opposite.
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  It seems like, for me, the way I look at it, church has almost always been kind of girly.
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  It's always been kind of feminine to me. And I know that might sound completely
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  opposite, but I always find it kind of weird going in when just the way that we do it.
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  We're singing songs and everything, it doesn't seem masculine and see the strongest
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  guys out there that are really, you know, real manly men and then they're singing these songs.
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  Was it goes but i think to
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  me it just doesn't it doesn't fit you know with our culture and
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  i but like i at the same time i'm almost like king david he was the manliest
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  of men and he was praising and singing and dancing with the lord and and all
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  that so i guess maybe that's the aspect of it but it's just to me like i've
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  always just seen in cultures the women went to church the guys were out in the
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  fields the women were doing the things that's how i've kind of seen it and and
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  and i would agree with you,
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  that has been what has been church for the last 50 years,
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  30 years for sure.
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  I don't think it used to be that way. And I can tell you, when we look at our founding fathers,
• 1:15:43
  when we look at our history, those were godly men that led our country and godly
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  men that came over on the Mayflower and started this Christian nation, okay?
• 1:15:55
  This Judeo-Christian nation. Those were men, okay?
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  There were women that were following them, you know, but those were men that
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  believed in that Bible and read that Bible and tried to live that out.
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  And they let their families... It wasn't women doing it on their own, okay?
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  Because women didn't have the vote until what?
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  1910, something like that? Okay? So what I'm trying to say is.
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  The enemy tries to kill, steal, and destroy, okay?
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  And there's been an attack on the masculinity and who God says a man is supposed
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  to be for at least 50 years that I've seen through media and propaganda,
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  you know, where they make a joke out of the father, okay?
• 1:16:40
  And undermine his authority in the household.
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  And Satan was just doing that on the media, okay? and also trying to empower
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  women that they weren't doing enough or getting enough that they were being robbed, you know?
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  And Scripture talks about that. So in understanding the world through a biblical
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  lens and saying, I'm not going to look at the world until I understand what
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  Christ is saying about it. If I have a question, I'm going to go to this word.
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  I don't go to television.
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  I don't go to brothers and sisters. I go to Christ and say, God,
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  what do you say about this? and then examine everything through that lens.
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  And so when we're talking about how the church looks right now,
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  yes, it doesn't have the masculinity that it once had, but I'm praying for that.
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  I've been praying for that for a long time because there's a lot of men that
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  have left the use of the woman.
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  Okay, the scripture talks about that, just like in the days of Lot.
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  Okay, so with that being said, praying
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  for god's will to be done okay like we
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  were talking about in the beginning you know his heart his heart his will to
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  be done so when i'm praying for that that also draws me closer to him so i can
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  be a part of what he's doing instead of trying to be a part of what i'm doing
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  and focusing on okay god what's your will in this situation what's your will today what what what
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  Because I know he wants for, because he created a marriage. He made Adam first.
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  He didn't make Eve first.
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  He definitely didn't make Adam and Steve. He made Adam and Eve.
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  And he didn't make Eve first because he didn't want a woman's opinion.
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  He made man first. He made Adam first. Because Adam's supposed to be the head of the household.
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  And so in order to turn any of this around, because I've been praying,
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  because I know, because of reading the scriptures and also having followed some
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  pre-tribulations, some really good teachers who have,
• 1:18:40
  God really used it, really Holy Spirit-filled teachers, because there's a lot
• 1:18:45
  of them out there that are afraid to speak the truth.
• 1:18:48
  One, they don't know the truth. They're not being tracked the truth in seminaries anymore, okay?
• 1:18:53
  They don't know exactly how to teach and preach the Bible, because there's wolves
• 1:18:59
  among the sheep, okay? The Bible talks about that.
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  I mean, there's a lot, I know you said like a lot, and I know the whole family
• 1:19:08
  structure and the way that God has created, because I would firmly believe,
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  yeah, God has made it one man, one woman, the whole polygamy,
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  the whole that that happened, that could be its own thing that happened in the Old Testament.
• 1:19:17
  I don't think that was at all. I think that was descriptive.
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  It was of what was going on, not at all prescriptive.
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  And, but this flies in the face of our culture, you know, everybody's like,
• 1:19:26
  I think that it is a very satanic that he wants to confuse people, change their genders.
• 1:19:32
  Because that's been the thing, especially over the last five,
• 1:19:36
  ten years, that Satan wants, he's the author of confusion. God is the author of order.
• 1:19:43
  And I think a lot of times we don't want to surrender to what the Bible actually says and it's revealed.
• 1:19:50
  We just kind of want to go with what we feel is right.
• 1:19:53
  Do what's right in our own heart, our own eyes. Yeah, and the Bible even talks about that, that.
• 1:19:58
  We will all go our own way and, you know, what feels right in our own heart.
• 1:20:03
  And I'm sorry, you said that almost verbatim, what the Bible says,
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  and I don't remember exactly where it says it.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah, everyone doing what's right in their own eyes. Yes. Over and over,
• 1:20:12
  yeah. And that's when it, like, went completely off the rails in Judges.
• 1:20:16
  Yes, and that's supposed to be the end times, okay?
• 1:20:22
  The last days. And so I've been praying for godly men who the Lord wants to
• 1:20:30
  use to stand up and start, you know,
• 1:20:33
  being head of their household and being sold out for God to bring them around me so we can talk.
• 1:20:41
  Because iron sharpens iron and being in the word and so they can be the heads
• 1:20:47
  of their family so they can be that, you know, what God's called them to be.
• 1:20:51
  Because not just because of that, because I know that there is a remnant of
• 1:20:57
  people that survive the tribulation and go into the millennial kingdom because God says so.
• 1:21:03
  And you asked me a question about are people saved in the tribulation?
• 1:21:08
  Yes, there's a multitude. So many are saved in the tribulation,
• 1:21:12
  John couldn't count them in the book of Revelation.
• 1:21:16
  And also there's 144,000 people.
• 1:21:22
  Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, the tribes, the 12,000 of each tribe
• 1:21:25
  and 144,000 of the Jewish tribes.
• 1:21:27
  Yes, Jewish men, Jewish virgins, men that are— I see that as kind of like,
• 1:21:33
  maybe it is exact numbers of the Jewish people in that time frame,
• 1:21:37
  or it's just kind of just a whole perfect number of all of Israel are being
• 1:21:42
  saved within that kind of Jacob's trouble time period.
• 1:21:47
  From scripture it says that one-third okay and
• 1:21:50
  i do believe where i've read in scripture it says
• 1:21:53
  one-third from every tribe tongue and nation will be saved
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  okay now does that mean that they're they
• 1:22:00
  are saved where they die and and they get caught up but i know that there is
• 1:22:05
  a remnant that goes from every tribe tongue and nation that goes into the millennial
• 1:22:08
  kingdom and so it repopulates the millennial kingdom people that don't get saved
• 1:22:13
  that go into the middle millennial kingdom okay so So let me digress and say,
• 1:22:18
  only people that are saved go into the millennial kingdom.
• 1:22:23
  So flesh and blood people like you and me, okay, will be going into the millennial
• 1:22:28
  kingdom that are saved, okay?
• 1:22:30
  After the church is raptured, after the tribulation, when Jesus comes back to
• 1:22:35
  reign for a thousand years, okay, there will be people still,
• 1:22:40
  flesh still on the earth, okay?
• 1:22:42
  Some of, and those people will go in and repopulate the earth for the millennial kingdom.
• 1:22:48
  This is not the church. But do you think the church will come back during that
• 1:22:51
  time? The church comes back with Jesus Christ at the second kingdom.
• 1:22:54
  And then reigns for a thousand years?
• 1:22:55
  And Jesus raised for a thousand years and we reign with him. So.
• 1:22:59
  We are kings and queens, you know, kings and queens, so we'll be over principalities,
• 1:23:05
  you know, just like, do you ever read Ephesians 6 about the full armor God?
• 1:23:09
  We will be principalities because the angels were once principalities,
• 1:23:15
  you know, that's what God assigned them to do before the fall, okay?
• 1:23:20
  But we, the church, will be reigning with Christ, too.
• 1:23:24
  So, for example, maybe mayor over Platte City,
• 1:23:28
  you know, or mayor or councilman over Platte City,
• 1:23:33
  you know, so there's going to be a real government and God's going to put his
• 1:23:38
  people in charge of his government for around the world and to govern over the people that are living.
• 1:23:43
  So his policies will be swift.
• 1:23:47
  You know, there will be no sin, okay?
• 1:23:50
  If people are committing crimes, it's not going to be lawless like it is now.
• 1:23:54
  It's going to be where it's going to be swift justice because the Lord knows every heart, okay?
• 1:24:00
  And his people are going to be ruling and reigning and say, no,
• 1:24:03
  you're not going to rape that person. You get to go to jail.
• 1:24:05
  And his laws are going to be—so we are going to be reigning and ruling over that.
• 1:24:10
  We are going to be his administrators. So you think that's going to be happening
• 1:24:13
  during the millennial kingdom like that?
• 1:24:15
  The millennial reign is 1,000 years, a literal 1,000 years.
• 1:24:19
  And you think people will be able to sin during that time? I guess it talks
• 1:24:22
  about a rebellion at the very end. Yes.
• 1:24:25
  Satan will be let out of the chains and he'll have one final at the very end
• 1:24:31
  of the millennial kingdom? Yes.
• 1:24:33
  So is that what you're referring to? So you think Christians are going to be
• 1:24:37
  taken up to heaven, and then when Jesus comes,
• 1:24:39
  are we going to come with him right before the millennial kingdom and then we
• 1:24:44
  will reign with him on earth but there will still be people that are,
• 1:24:50
  like are you envisioning like our bodies have been changed at that point like
• 1:24:54
  say we have come back to earth we have glorified bodies at that point we have
• 1:24:58
  glorified bodies at the rapture,
• 1:25:00
  I was going to read that. Let me find it. So like this earth would be,
• 1:25:04
  would this be filled with some people that have glorified bodies and some people that don't?
• 1:25:08
  Or is that how you were? Hold on a second. Let me find it.
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  Hi, honey. Hi there. Jesse, any, any.
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  Yeah. You're awfully quiet over there. Any input you have, go ahead.
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  Because I never really believed in, like agreed with the rapture like this happened.
• 1:25:24
  And first of all, I didn't believe in really the millennial kingdom.
• 1:25:28
  I do think it is a real deal now. I do think I do agree with it now,
• 1:25:32
  the millennial kingdom, because some people just are all millennialists.
• 1:25:35
  They just think it's just kind of figurative.
• 1:25:37
  It's not necessarily there's, you know, there are people who think we're we're
• 1:25:41
  in the millennial kingdom now right now. Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah. And I'm like, OK, good luck with that, because this doesn't feel like Christ is ruling this.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could say he is, but like it doesn't doesn't seem
• 1:25:53
  like it's actually happening.
• 1:25:54
  Like, I mean, I know he is in a sense. He is ruling and reigning,
• 1:25:58
  but his will is not being completely done.
• 1:26:00
  No, Satan rules this world right now. This is Satan's world, okay?
• 1:26:05
  Even though Christ has bought back with his blood, okay?
• 1:26:11
  But he has not redeemed the key, and that's what happens in Revelation.
• 1:26:16
  When we read Revelation, this is when Christ has removed the church,
• 1:26:21
  his bride, his people, from the earth, so he can judge the rest of the world, okay,
• 1:26:26
  just like he did in the days of Noah when he wiped the whole earth out, okay?
• 1:26:32
  Now, mind you, that's not exactly what he's going to do because the tribulation
• 1:26:36
  is the time of Jacob's trouble.
• 1:26:38
  He's trying to get people to repent because he wants none to perish.
• 1:26:41
  He wants no soul, okay, that he's created, nobody that he's knitted together in.
• 1:26:47
  In their mother's womb. Does he want those people to perish?
• 1:26:50
  Because we are his creation, not his children, okay?
• 1:26:54
  Unless we're adopted by believing in the Lord Jesus.
• 1:26:57
  What I'm trying to say is, trying to answer your question.
• 1:27:01
  Sorry. About like the glory, in the millennial kingdom, are we going to,
• 1:27:05
  some people be here that are just regular people still. They've been carried,
• 1:27:09
  they've been swept into this millennial reign.
• 1:27:12
  Jesus returns and they just have regular bodies like we do now.
• 1:27:14
  But then the church is going to come back and we're going to have glorified bodies?
• 1:27:18
  Is that what it's kind of going to be? Yes, we're going to have glorified bodies.
• 1:27:21
  And I was going to read a couple things to you. So let me find it here.
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  Here we go. Okay. So let me read a couple of scriptures to you.
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  This is 1 Thessalonians 5 concerning the day of the Lord.
• 1:27:33
  So the day of the Lord begins on the day when the rapture, okay,
• 1:27:40
  and ends with the somewhere as the millennial kingdom starts, okay?
• 1:27:46
  Because the White Throne Judgment happens after the millennial kingdom.
• 1:27:49
  You could say that, right? Would you say that? The White Throne Judgment?
• 1:27:52
  I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that.
• 1:27:55
  I haven't studied that enough to give information on that, okay?
• 1:28:00
  But so the White Throne Judgment, I do believe, happens after the millennial
• 1:28:05
  kingdom when everybody is...
• 1:28:11
  Finally, fully judged.
• 1:28:13
  And then we go into the new heavens, new earth. Yes, yes, yes,
• 1:28:16
  yes, yes. Okay, so the day of the Lord...
• 1:28:19
  1 Thessalonians 5. But concerning the times and the seasons,
• 1:28:24
  brethren, you have no need, this is Paul writing, that I should write to you,
• 1:28:28
  for you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
• 1:28:33
  For when they say, they say, not to Christians, when they say peace and safety,
• 1:28:37
  then sudden destruction comes upon them as labor pains upon a pregnant woman,
• 1:28:42
  and they shall not escape.
• 1:28:43
  But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake you as a thief.
• 1:28:48
  You are all sons of light and sons of the day, and we are not the night nor the darkness.
• 1:28:55
  Therefore, let us not sleep as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
• 1:29:01
  For those who sleep at night and those who get drunk are drunk at night,
• 1:29:05
  but let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith
• 1:29:09
  and love and as the helmet of hope of salvation.
• 1:29:13
  For God did not appoint us to wrath, okay? So we're not going to be there at
• 1:29:18
  the time of Jacob's wrath, okay?
• 1:29:19
  Jacob's trouble. We're not going to see God's wrath.
• 1:29:22
  For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through the Lord,
• 1:29:26
  Jesus who died for us said that whether we are vigorously, we should live together with him.
• 1:29:34
  Therefore, comfort each other and edify one another, just as you were also doing.
• 1:29:41
  But it talks about us being changed and twinkling of an eye.
• 1:29:45
  There's that in 1 Corinthians 15, and then also in—what it talks about in 1
• 1:29:51
  Thessalonians will be caught up. That's where that's— Right, yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Are you talking about where we get changed in the twinkling of an eye?
• 1:29:58
  Yes. That's 1 Corinthians 15. 1 Corinthians 15, okay.
• 1:30:02
  So that verse right there, so we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye,
• 1:30:07
  So we will be transformed, okay, into our glorified bodies like Christ had after
• 1:30:14
  he was raised from the dead.
• 1:30:16
  Not when Mary first saw him because he had not ascended to heaven yet, but...
• 1:30:22
  After he had his glorified body and he was walking around and eating fish and
• 1:30:26
  talking to his disciples and walking through walls, we are going to have that
• 1:30:30
  kind of glorified body. So like at the rapture.
• 1:30:32
  At the rapture. We changed in the twin.
• 1:30:35
  When you're seeing that, that's the rapture happening. Yes. Because a lot of
• 1:30:37
  Christians see these different time periods.
• 1:30:40
  Some people see that this is Jesus physically coming to the earth,
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  and then the graves, everybody's coming out of the graves, and then the judgment happens.
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  We skip past the millennial kingdom, and we don't have any of that.
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  And some people we go straight to kind of Jesus judges the earth right then
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  you know they don't see that,
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  because I mean I know a lot of people don't because the
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  Catholic Church is primarily amillennial it doesn't
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  believe in all this and I used to be that way
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  but I do agree that there is the millennial kingdom now and
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  God's God will change us but
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  this twinkling of light I always saw that
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  I didn't see this pre-tribulational rapture I'd never
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  taken that verse to be what you're kind of describing that
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  that's what's happening okay but that very well
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  could be well the reason that i say that and i was going to go once i because
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  i was trying to remember where that was at so it's twinkling of an eye that
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  were changed and the dead in christ are caught up first okay oh that's first
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  thessalonians 4 right okay first thessalonians 4 and then yeah and i,
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  because i just okay first thessalonians 4 and i think you're yeah i think you're
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  in five okay the comfort of christ coming for i do not want you to be ignorant
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  brethren concerning those who have fallen asleep that's the dead lest you sorrow
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  like others have we have no hope for we.
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  If for if we believe in jesus died and rose again even so god will bring him
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  to those who sleep in jesus for this we say to you by the word of the lord that
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  we who are alive and will remain will until the coming of the Lord.
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  Will by no means precede those who've fallen asleep, so the dead in Christ will rise first.
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  For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
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  with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
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  and the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who are alive and remain
• 1:32:41
  will be caught up together. That's the rapture, okay?
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  In Greek, it's rapturo.
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  That's where we get the word rapture. We'll be caught up together with him in
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  the clouds. So he doesn't come down to earth. This is not the second coming. This is a rapture.
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  We'll, in the clouds, we'll meet the Lord in the air.
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  And thus, we shall always be with the Lord and therefore comfort one another with these words. Okay?
• 1:33:05
  Going through the tribulation, that's not comforting words. But that's not resurrection
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  right there, right? That's not, you're not seeing that as resurrection.
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  Like when that's happening. What do you describe as resurrection?
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  Like when it talks about in the book of Daniel, there will be a day when all
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  who are in the graves will come out.
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  Some to everlasting life, some to... No, I think that's the great white throne.
• 1:33:23
  Great white throne. Yes, that happens at the end of the tribulation.
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  I mean, and the men... But did he write there that some will come out of the
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  graves right there? Okay. Did it say that?
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  So then it says, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout
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  and with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God and then the
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  dead in Christ, the dead in Christ, who are the dead in Christ,
• 1:33:45
  the saved, the saved, the dead in Christ will rise first And then we who are
• 1:33:50
  alive, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together in the heaven,
• 1:33:56
  in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
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  And thus we will always be with the Lord and therefore comfort one another with these words.
• 1:34:04
  See, that's where I kind of struggle with it, because I see if the dead in Christ
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  are rising at that point, unless
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  it's not meaning that's the physical resurrection right there happening.
• 1:34:12
  Or maybe it's just believers are raised.
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  That's what I'm trying to say. And maybe it's later on, it's everyone else.
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  Right. So that's what I'm trying to say.
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  So the rapture is only for believers.
• 1:34:26
  It's not for, it's not, I don't even think it's for the Old Testament saints. I think it's.
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  No, I think that's not true. I think it is. It's for everyone who believes in God.
• 1:34:40
  Everybody from all time who's a believer in Jesus Christ are risen up, okay?
• 1:34:46
  It's just we are still alive when it happens because I believe we're the generation
• 1:34:51
  that it happens to. I mean, all the signs are pointing to it.
• 1:34:54
  There's too many signs that are pointing to it.
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  The labor pains are just so intense. But I want to read chapter of Revelation 19, okay?
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  So the heavens exalt over Babylon.
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  And okay, here, Christ on the white horse.
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  Then I heard, as it were, a voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many
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  waters, and the sound of mighty thundering, saying, Alleluia,
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  for the Lord God omnipotent reigns.
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  Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory for the marriage of the lamb has
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  come and his wife has made herself ready.
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  And to her was granted to be arrayed with fine linen and for the fine linen
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  of the righteous acts of the saints.
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  So again, that's talking about all the saints, okay?
• 1:35:44
  Then he said to me, right, right, blessed are those who are called to the marriage
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  supper of the lamb, agreeing Christians.
• 1:35:51
  And he said, these are the true saints of God and I fell at his feet in worship.
• 1:35:57
  But he said to me, see that you do not do that.
• 1:36:01
  I am your fellow servant. So that's another believer in Christ or either an
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  angel who have the testimony of Jesus.
• 1:36:09
  So to me, that's another fellow servant who's probably preceded John and death.
• 1:36:15
  Worship God for the testimony of Jesus Christ is in the spirit of prophecy.
• 1:36:20
  That's very important. When people in the church, a lot of people that we go
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  to church with are a little bit hesitant to get into prophecy.
• 1:36:27
  Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.
• 1:36:29
  Now I saw heaven open, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on him,
• 1:36:35
  called Faithful and True. Who is that?
• 1:36:37
  Jesus. There you go. And in righteousness he judged and made war.
• 1:36:43
  His eyes were like a flame, and on his head were many crowns.
• 1:36:47
  He had a name written that no one knew except himself, and he was clothed with
• 1:36:53
  a robe, dripped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God.
• 1:36:57
  And the army's in heaven clothed in fine linen.
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  Who did it just say were clothed in fine linen? The saints. The saints are clothed in fine linen.
• 1:37:05
  This is the Lord getting ready to return to heaven at Armageddon to judge these people.
• 1:37:11
  Clothed in fine linen, white and clean, and followed him on white horses.
• 1:37:15
  And this is the saints following Christ on white horses.
• 1:37:19
  Now out of the mouth goes a sharp sword, out of his mouth goes a sharp sword,
• 1:37:25
  and that with it he should strike the nations, and he himself will rule them with the rod of iron.
• 1:37:33
  He himself treads down the winepress, fearless at wrath.
• 1:37:36
  So basically, We're on white horses watching Jesus Christ defeat his enemies
• 1:37:40
  with his word, and then we come down on heaven on our white horses to set up
• 1:37:46
  his kingdom. That's what this is about.
• 1:37:48
  So we do not go through tribulation. We're up in heaven receiving our robes, our fine linens.
• 1:37:58
  Now, other saints, the old tribulation saints that were not Christians, they get white robes.
• 1:38:04
  We get fine linen, okay? Like a bride would.
• 1:38:08
  So that's what that's talking about right there. So do you make the distinction
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  between Israel and the church, or do you even use that type of phraseology,
• 1:38:18
  or do you even know what I'm talking about?
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  So do you make that distinction, there's Israel and then there's the church? Yes.
• 1:38:26
  The church does not replace Israel. I don't think it does either.
• 1:38:30
  I do make the distinction between
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  Jew and Gentile, but I think we're all a part of the same community.
• 1:38:36
  But I do still see that the Jewish people, I see, I have a radial theology,
• 1:38:41
  whereas the Jews are kind of like closer into the center to God and the Gentiles
• 1:38:49
  are kind of more, a little more outside.
• 1:38:51
  Not to mean that we are less valuable, but they, the Jews have a more.
• 1:38:56
  A higher responsibility, a higher, like, honor.
• 1:39:00
  They are, like, it came to the Jews first, then to the Gentiles kind of thing,
• 1:39:04
  that they are, we're equal citizens, but almost they have a more,
• 1:39:08
  a closer tie to God than the Gentiles.
• 1:39:13
  They are, we are grafted into the Abrahamic covenant as a church, as a church, okay?
• 1:39:19
  So the covenant and promises Abraham, we are grafted into that.
• 1:39:24
  But there are some promises They're made directly to the Jewish nation Okay?
• 1:39:29
  And to the Jewish people The bloodline of Abraham That the church does not receive Okay?
• 1:39:34
  And a lot of people who Are amillennial and different things like this And I
• 1:39:39
  can't even go Into different denominations All I can tell you is what I read
• 1:39:44
  From the word of God And I take it literally I don't read into it And if I start to read into it,
• 1:39:50
  Lord help me Make sure that I'm getting your truth and not anybody else's opinion, including my own.
• 1:39:56
  Do you have a, where you say, I'm a Baptist, or I'm evangelical,
• 1:40:02
  or I'm Protestant, I'm very passionate about that, or, because I'm of the opinion,
• 1:40:07
  which is maybe different than some people, I don't see myself in those lines at all.
• 1:40:11
  I don't, I maybe lean more towards the belief in evangelicalism than Roman Catholicism,
• 1:40:17
  or I'm not too familiar with orthodoxy, but I wouldn't claim myself as any of those things.
• 1:40:22
  But I don't know, are you where, like, I believe Baptist or got it right?
• 1:40:28
  Or what do you kind of view on that?
• 1:40:30
  I am a born-again believer in Jesus Christ. That's who I am.
• 1:40:33
  Now, I go to a Baptist church, okay? But I also follow Calvary Chapel,
• 1:40:39
  okay? I follow a lot of Calvary Chapel churches on the West Coast and listen to their pastors.
• 1:40:44
  In fact, if I was living on the West Coast, I'd be a part of a Calvary Chapel church.
• 1:40:50
  But is it just because
• 1:40:52
  they align more with what you already believe yes because
• 1:40:56
  they teach the whole counsel of god because they calvary chapel
• 1:40:59
  now there's there's a division in that just like there's been a division in
• 1:41:03
  multiple churches you know where they've all gone their separate ways but calvary
• 1:41:08
  chapel the fundamentals that started with chuck smith and went to like Greg
• 1:41:14
  Laurie and that sect and stuff like that.
• 1:41:17
  They start in one chapter, wherever they're going to start at, okay?
• 1:41:22
  And they read that chapter each Sunday, okay?
• 1:41:26
  Or it may take them, you know, 12 Sundays to get through a chapter, okay?
• 1:41:31
  But then they go to the very next chapter, they don't skip around in the Bible.
• 1:41:35
  They read chapter three,
• 1:41:37
  After chapter, after chapter, they go through the whole—it may take them 10
• 1:41:41
  years to go through the Bible.
• 1:41:42
  Very expository preaching where they're just like verse by verse and reading
• 1:41:45
  it. Expository, yes. Yeah, yeah. I know.
• 1:41:46
  I like that a lot more than just topic, topical.
• 1:41:50
  Yes. I know at our church, it's been more going—consistently going through books
• 1:41:54
  of the Bible, which I like a lot. Yes. Almost verse by verse in some instances.
• 1:41:57
  In some instances, yeah. And it really brings the whole thing together as opposed
• 1:42:02
  to, we're going to talk about love on this Sunday. We're going to talk about
• 1:42:05
  grace over here. We're going to talk about, you know, certain just marriage
• 1:42:09
  on one Sunday or just a general topic.
• 1:42:12
  I do like the more and maybe that can be a little bit more boring for some people
• 1:42:15
  because they it doesn't fit exactly with our culture and how can this apply to my life?
• 1:42:21
  But I'm more like I want to get absorbed as much as the possible description itself.
• 1:42:25
  Get what it meant originally and then at that point try to figure out how can it apply to me.
• 1:42:30
  Amen. Amen. And what you just said, where people are like, yeah,
• 1:42:36
  but this doesn't really feel good to me, or this is whatever.
• 1:42:39
  It doesn't matter what we want.
• 1:42:41
  We got to go to what God wants, because that's what our problem is,
• 1:42:47
  is in our world, we have made ourselves our own God, okay?
• 1:42:51
  My will, my way, my hopes, my dreams, you know, what my agenda is.
• 1:42:56
  And it can't be that. that we got to get out of our own way and put God on the
• 1:43:00
  throne of our heart. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:43:04
  Do you see anything of, because this, I know I say this, I say this over and over.
• 1:43:09
  If you listen to me at all, like I want the barriers and the dividing lines
• 1:43:13
  to come down. Like it is. And I know it doesn't.
• 1:43:17
  Are you a person that sees that at all? Like of why some churches are doing
• 1:43:21
  it this way. Some churches are doing that way.
• 1:43:22
  Are like that you think that that's, that's just the way it is and that kind of thing.
• 1:43:26
  Or is it impossible that we can come together at this point i'm not just talking
• 1:43:31
  about non-denominational has become a denomination in itself you always hear that but like,
• 1:43:37
  the whole roman catholic church the evangelical this is
• 1:43:40
  whole ecumenum ecumenicalism or whatever how you say that word all everything
• 1:43:45
  coming together and i and i know that's been not popular and people do it wrong
• 1:43:49
  you know you but like i i get so just tired of the church being so just fractured
• 1:43:55
  and scattered everywhere. It's frustrating for me too.
• 1:43:58
  And I say this respectfully because there's a lot of men and believers in Christ
• 1:44:06
  that I really, really respect, okay? In this area, okay?
• 1:44:10
  But there have been times when I've been trying to get pastors to come together
• 1:44:15
  to do, put on a revival, okay?
• 1:44:19
  Hot City is a little bit better at that. The men and the leaders in.
• 1:44:25
  The churches around here, they're already doing that. There was really a revival,
• 1:44:29
  and they did this before COVID, and this is their first one since COVID,
• 1:44:34
  and they did that the last week of April.
• 1:44:36
  I remember you were talking about the tent or whatever. Yes,
• 1:44:38
  the tent revival. It was powerful.
• 1:44:40
  But, yeah, I didn't go. I never went to that. I didn't go to that.
• 1:44:43
  I almost just wanted all the barriers just to come down in the first place,
• 1:44:48
  and not just a momentary kind of time to come together. I understand.
• 1:44:54
  I what I'm trying to say I hear there's talk
• 1:44:58
  and don't I don't know the details at all but
• 1:45:01
  I've been praying for it for a revival on a
• 1:45:04
  weekly basis where the church is coming together and we're doing that
• 1:45:07
  kind of thing encourage the body of Christ but what the Bible says is going
• 1:45:12
  to happen in the last days that you know there's going to be a small remnant
• 1:45:16
  that the church is going to get smaller and smaller and smaller and more people
• 1:45:20
  are not going to believe okay and but It does talk about after the rapture,
• 1:45:24
  okay, after the church is taken up out of here, the believers are taken up out of here,
• 1:45:28
  that there's a number that John can't count that come to the Lord because of
• 1:45:33
  persecution and because they're brought to the end of themselves because they
• 1:45:37
  can't, they don't have jobs, they don't, whatever,
• 1:45:40
  because of the one world government and the things that that government is going to do to them.
• 1:45:46
  And also, you know, when they see, you know, millions of people being taken
• 1:45:50
  out of here and, you know, those crazy Christians that kept trying to tell us,
• 1:45:54
  hey, God's real and he's going to rapture us out of here.
• 1:45:56
  When they see the rapture, even if they're trying to be deceived,
• 1:46:00
  they're like, oh, God, oh, yeah, I believe in God now, you know.
• 1:46:03
  And when you come to the end of yourselves, like we talked about,
• 1:46:06
  when you're broken, when you don't have any place to turn, you start looking up.
• 1:46:10
  You start, you know, you come to, you know, what can I stand on?
• 1:46:14
  And there is God, you know. But just to pause you there, about the—everybody's taking up—.
• 1:46:20
  How does that work? So everybody's taking it up. Like, what would people's thoughts be like?
• 1:46:24
  Would they just start immediately rationalizing it? Like, Christians have been
• 1:46:27
  saying this for years. It happens.
• 1:46:30
  I mean, there's going to be a lot of people that would have been skeptical before
• 1:46:36
  it all, and they see it happen. Are they just going to say, are they just going
• 1:46:39
  to be in complete awe and amazement of maybe the Antichrist happening?
• 1:46:43
  I think, to me, it goes into the only thing that could explain all this,
• 1:46:47
  some of it, is maybe aliens. Well, yes.
• 1:46:50
  Something like that happened to bring everybody together. Well, it's funny.
• 1:46:55
  There's pastors, the pastors that I follow, Prophecy Watchers and L.A.
• 1:46:59
  Marzulli. He's out of L.A.
• 1:47:03
  Anyway, he has studied this for decades now.
• 1:47:07
  And he says the great deception is where when we go up, they come down.
• 1:47:13
  Okay. Where there's whether it's holograms or whether it's fallen angels.
• 1:47:18
  Okay because that's who these yeah demonic forces
• 1:47:21
  are you know they appear to be aliens okay that's what
• 1:47:24
  i really aren't aliens those are the demons i don't know if i agree with that
• 1:47:28
  there are demons anymore but i do see them as fallen angels and because i i
• 1:47:31
  see demons differently than i used to think that i used to say fallen angel
• 1:47:35
  demon they equal each other i don't see that anymore i see but that i don't
• 1:47:39
  want to kind of derail what you're saying like but i do see that the fallen angels coming down,
• 1:47:44
  that is the only thing that can make sense of people.
• 1:47:47
  Okay, we've moved on, we're kind of getting absorbed into a higher life form
• 1:47:50
  kind of thing that is unfolding before us.
• 1:47:54
  Right. Well, transhumanism, you know, they're going into that,
• 1:47:57
  they're going into AI. There's so much deception around us right now that we're not
• 1:48:02
  People are going to be forced in, do you want to take this mark,
• 1:48:05
  okay, to survive, okay, and become not human anymore, okay?
• 1:48:11
  That kind of thing. And we can see it more clearly now than we could 30,
• 1:48:15
  40 years ago, you know, what that's going to be.
• 1:48:18
  And also with AI, you know, deceiving us and you don't know,
• 1:48:23
  did you really say that or was that AI, you know, that kind of thing.
• 1:48:28
  So we're not even going to be able to, they're not even going to be able to
• 1:48:32
  trust their justice system, their laws or anything like that.
• 1:48:35
  And that after, after the rapture, there's going to be a lot of chaos and people
• 1:48:40
  are going to have to turn one way or the other. Okay.
• 1:48:43
  Because sudden destruction comes upon them. Okay.
• 1:48:46
  So with that sudden destruction, whatever is coming. Okay.
• 1:48:51
  I don't know about you, but when
• 1:48:52
  sudden destruction comes upon me as a Christian, I turn to God as a human.
• 1:48:57
  Okay you got to turn to whatever god okay
• 1:49:00
  and sometimes we make our money
• 1:49:03
  our god we make our family our god we make ourselves our
• 1:49:06
  god whatever it is and when you can't stand on that
• 1:49:09
  because that can't help you you turn to something else are you
• 1:49:12
  going to turn to the enemy and try to become you know
• 1:49:14
  superhuman are you going to turn to god but they wouldn't see
• 1:49:17
  it as being turned into the enemy they would right like they
• 1:49:20
  they're not saying this is people are given the choice between god and
• 1:49:23
  satan 99 of the time people are
• 1:49:26
  going to choose god if they know it is right yeah
• 1:49:29
  i mean unless they're deceived unless they're deceived and
• 1:49:32
  and a lot of i like i
• 1:49:35
  said there's a number so vast that john
• 1:49:38
  couldn't count him okay john and the angels could not count them okay those
• 1:49:42
  are going to be the people who get in beheaded those are the people getting
• 1:49:44
  just some of them are the people underneath the altar that are getting beheaded
• 1:49:48
  okay i yeah i believe a lot of So the Bible says they would die for their faith
• 1:49:53
  in the Lord because for whatever reason,
• 1:49:56
  they take the mark or they're tracked because they could track it now better
• 1:50:03
  than they ever could before, and it's going to get worse.
• 1:50:06
  But anyway, once they find out somebody's a believer, they don't just kill you.
• 1:50:11
  I don't know exactly how. Do you have another bottle of water?
• 1:50:14
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Jesse, do you have a water lift?
• 1:50:18
  This one. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. I just poured it.
• 1:50:22
  Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah.
• 1:50:24
  So, yeah, I mean, I don't know because the Bible doesn't go into it.
• 1:50:32
  It's clear about that, but I know there's deception, and it says—.
• 1:50:38
  There is a vast number that will come to God and exactly, you know,
• 1:50:43
  is it because they just saw their loved ones being raptured or is it just because,
• 1:50:48
  you know, they're being persecuted or just because, you know,
• 1:50:53
  whatever reason causes them to come to God? You know, I don't know.
• 1:50:56
  I don't know. You know, I could see a pilot being in an airplane,
• 1:51:00
  okay, and he gets raptured, okay, and all those people on the plane trying to
• 1:51:04
  figure out, oh, my God, we're getting ready to meet our maker.
• 1:51:08
  Yeah, it sounds like the Left Behind series.
• 1:51:12
  Jesse, as an unbiased observer, a neutral party, where are you at?
• 1:51:18
  Do you think there is the pre-tribulational rapture, or where do you stand on this?
• 1:51:23
  Because I've talked to your dad, and he agrees with the—it sounds like the pre-tribulational rapture.
• 1:51:28
  He says that, kind of like what Annette is saying, I've always been where I
• 1:51:32
  didn't think that that is, but just the other day, I was thinking more and more.
• 1:51:36
  It feels like something like that's going to happen. Do you have any?
• 1:51:40
  I'm very ignorant about this subject.
• 1:51:43
  All I really kind of know is the Left Behind series.
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  Like the Christians are going to be raptured up and everyone else is just going
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  to be left themselves for a while. And some people can become Christians after that.
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  Do you have where you think, you just kind of go through life.
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  Do you, you don't, you're not really as concerned like with getting into the nitty gritty details.
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  You like are more just like. I know God's got it taken care of and I'll just, he's
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  gonna take care of me i'm a christian so i don't really need i'm very interested
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  in this stuff i want to i want to find out i like listening to other people
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  i don't have good education about it but you but you don't you're not like this
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  is going to happen or that's going to happen you or you i'm i i love finding
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  out what the lord has planned because it gives us comfort you know and he tells
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  us his things ahead of time it's part of the reason he's given his prophecy.
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  And I love where Jess is, you know, she's at with this. She's like, God's in control.
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  I just get to enjoy, you know, just like a child. Okay.
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  And I don't mean that you're childish because I see you're very responsible.
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  But no, but that's exactly what it is. I'm like, he's got it. I'm going to be okay.
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  Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. I wish I was a little bit more I like that,
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  but I also love the fact that knowing God's got this and He shows me in His Word, okay,
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  and He comforts us with His Word and tells us about these things that are going
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  to happen so that we won't be afraid, that we can trust in Him,
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  and knowing His Word so we can understand who He is and His character and understanding.
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  But I keep going back to joining him in prayer when I read his word out loud
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  and pray his words back to him, especially when you're in the Psalms and the Prophets,
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  where they're talking about what's going to happen to Israel and things like that.
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  And the prophetic books that some of the churches just tend to skip over, okay?
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  And where I think we really need to dig into to understand God's heart on what's
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  happening in our world now.
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  But it's not just the rapture. It's also the 144,000 who are witnessing,
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  I do believe, to the Jewish nation, but I think all over the world.
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  We're not clear on that. But there's also two angels, okay, that are going around
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  the world telling people not to take the mark of the beast, okay?
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  Also, the— Moses and Elijah, or whoever those people breathe in fire and— I
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  think it's Moses and Elijah. I always thought it was them as well.
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  Like, they come back and—because I know some people think it's Moses and Enoch,
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  but I think it's Moses and Elijah.
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  I do, too. I used to think it was Enoch, but it's pretty clear to me that it
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  was Elijah that breathed out fire, and this has to do with Israel.
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  So the two witnesses are sent to Jerusalem, to Israel.
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  And those were the two prophets of Israel, the greatest prophets of Israel,
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  Moses and Elijah. And it says Elijah will come before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
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  And John the Baptist, he assumed the spirit and power of Elijah,
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  but I almost see him as a type.
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  But Elijah will really come back before.
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  Right. And if the Jewish people would have known Christ was coming,
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  you know, on Palm Sunday, okay?
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  Like, I think, sorry, yes, Palm Sunday, the week before, when he rode on a donkey, okay?
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  Because the prophets told about this. They knew when to expect him.
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  It's just the religious leaders didn't believe it, or I hear pastors saying
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  they knew who he was, and they didn't want him to be their god.
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  They wanted a political leader, and they didn't receive him.
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  But if they would have received him, okay, then John the Baptist would have
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  been Elijah because he came in the spirit of Elijah, okay?
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  So, I mean, like that's a good point, like as in, does God change his mind?
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  Because it does seem like at times that I don't think he does.
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  I don't think overall because Jesus gave the, he said, if I might come at the
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  first wash of the night or I might come, I might delay my coming.
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  And it depends on like, and even in the book of Acts, Peter is urging the Israel
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  leaders to repent and accept Jesus so that times of refreshing can come,
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  almost like pointing to, let's get into this millennial kingdom now kind of thing.
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  But then they're unwilling to repent and accept Christ and them hardening their
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  hearts. It almost delayed Christ's coming.
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  Do you think God changes his mind? And just depending on how the winds of time happen?
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  I don't think it's God changing his mind.
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  He's saying, if you will, then. Okay, there's a lot of promises and scriptures
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  that talk about if you will humble yourself, then, okay?
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  So it's like that. So God knows the end from the beginning, okay?
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  And he knew Christ was going to come and give himself, okay?
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  Because it shows that in the Abrahamic covenant, okay? When Abraham took Isaac
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  up the hill, he said, God will provide himself a lamb, okay?
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  So he knew, okay, the heart's a mind.
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  But he was praying within hope, okay, that maybe the Jewish people would accept him, okay?
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  So, because they're his brethren, you know, and he was rejected by them,
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  okay? Yeah. At the heart of a man.
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  He was really rejected by them. Yes. Because even though him being God,
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  God and man at the same time,
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  the God part of him knows that this is going to happen, but the man person would
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  have been felt his own people and his own family just despising him and rejecting him. Yes.
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  Holding out hope. Holding out hope because he allows for men to have free will.
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  And so holding out hope that they would see him and receive him as God so he
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  did not have to go to the cross. Okay.
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  And then the millennial kingdom would have started then. So you don't think
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  he might not even had to go on the cross?
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  So if they would, if the Jewish people, the nation, the chosen people,
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  because the Jewish people hold the covenant from Abraham that God made with
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  Abraham, okay, and that was spoken of in Genesis, okay,
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  the seed, the woman would crush the head of the seed of the serpent.
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  He didn't have to go to the cross at that point, okay?
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  Somewhere along the way, and I don't know where, and it may have been to do
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  with Ishmael, okay? You know who Ishmael is?
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  Okay. Okay. I don't know if it was that.
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  I don't know exactly where the turning point was. But what I do know is Christ
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  was saying, if you would have known, because he told Daniel the day of his coming.
• 1:58:41
  And Christ said, if you would have known, okay, the day of your visitation, okay, that.
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  I know what you're talking about. What is that second part of the sentence?
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  Hold on a second. Let me find it. You know what I'm talking about, Jesse?
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  Because yeah it is it is just stunning that like they rejected him and it seems
• 1:58:59
  like he's caught off guard i don't i think god his predetermined plan happened
• 1:59:03
  like it just happened that way well but like,
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  Like, God sets boundaries. He
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  says, if this, if that. But he already also knows what's going to happen.
• 1:59:13
  I think he has leeway for our free will, okay, to come into play.
• 1:59:19
  Yeah. And he gives us time to repent, okay, and to repent.
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  But because I have a phenomenal pastor who teaches the word of God out in California,
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  Pastor Brandon Holthaus at Rock Harbor Church in Bakersfield, California.
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  He's gone through this He takes this like a college level,
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  Learning of the Bible I love that, yeah I do too One of the best biblical teachers
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  I've ever heard of But he said If you watch the Gospels First he's talking to
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  the Jewish people In plain language,
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  okay And he braves them from the Old Testament Okay And then.
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  It's not that he realizes At some point, and I can't tell you where because
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  Pastor Brandon would know.
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  But then at a certain point, okay, I think it's around the time when Nicodemus
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  comes to see him, but I can't remember exactly where.
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  But then he starts talking in parables, okay, to where they can't understand him as much, okay?
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  And that's where he turns and says, okay, the Jewish nation is not going to
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  receive me. I'm going to go to the Gentiles and speak to the Gentiles.
• 2:00:29
  That's where God's plan shifted from, you know, Christ coming to the Jewish
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  people, and since the Jewish people did not receive him, he starts talking in parables.
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  I mean, I think overall God's plan doesn't fundamentally change,
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  but like from a human perspective and how it's day by day and being unfolded, it does seem like that.
• 2:00:51
  It does seem like that, because even Jesus, he doesn't, like the Samaritan woman
• 2:00:55
  comes up to him and he says, we cannot give to the dogs what is for the children, you know?
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  And, you know, it does seem like there is, like even in his humanity,
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  he almost seems like a little bit only tethered to the Jewish people.
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  He doesn't care outside of the Jewish people.
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  He's not really concerned. You know, he calls her a dog. He calls the Gentiles dogs.
• 2:01:17
  But then almost after the resurrection, there is a change that go to the nations.
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  I came to the Jewish people first. I'm your Messiah. You've rejected me.
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  I'm going to the rest of the world kind of thing.
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  I think so. And I and it may have been the Samaritan woman at the well.
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  OK, because she was not fully Jewish and it may have been there.
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  Or I was thinking the Syrophoenician woman. I think. Yeah, I know who you were
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  talking about, because, yeah, that's been brought up a lot.
• 2:01:44
  But I digress to say that for me.
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  Christ will give me a warning, you know, the Holy Spirit will say,
• 2:01:52
  you know, prompting me to do the right thing, okay?
• 2:01:55
  And so there's more blessings in it when I do the right thing.
• 2:01:59
  When he first tells me, then versus he's told me six, seven times, okay?
• 2:02:05
  And I don't receive the blessings, the adoration, the love.
• 2:02:11
  I'm just doing the right thing. I'm just agreeing with God's will.
• 2:02:14
  So I kind of see it like that, because the covenant people, the people that
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  were supposed to be the priests and stuff like that, and if they would have
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  received Christ, okay, at his first coming,
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  they would have been the rulers, okay, and the priests and the mayors and the
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  lawmakers in the millennial reign if they would have received him.
• 2:02:36
  But since they did not, that goes to the Gentiles because they did not receive him.
• 2:02:41
  So at the millennial reign, the church receives those blessings and those rewards.
• 2:02:49
  And it's kind of like that.
• 2:02:50
  And I'm sure you can assess that in your own life when you hear the Lord saying.
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  Okay, correct yourself before you wreck yourself.
• 2:02:58
  Okay and and he tells you
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  the first time if you don't correct yourself before you wreck yourself okay you
• 2:03:04
  can feel more or see more of a blessing in
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  that agreement when you agree with christ when you
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  do it early versus when you do it you know reluctantly and
• 2:03:14
  just later on and yes after yes yes because it's
• 2:03:17
  not it doesn't have the impact on your life it doesn't have the blessing yeah does
• 2:03:21
  that make any sense yeah that's how i see this with
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  the with the scriptures from what pastor brandon
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  how he explained it because he explained it was
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  if they would have received him okay on
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  that day when he entered jerusalem if they would have seen the leaders
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  would have received him instead of harden their hearts against him
• 2:03:40
  they then the millennial kingdom would have started right
• 2:03:43
  then we wouldn't have to go through these 2 000 years okay of
• 2:03:47
  the church age so yeah yeah man man
• 2:03:51
  there's so much there i i would love to like this is all
• 2:03:53
  i want to live or breathe and talk about this is like i could talk
• 2:03:56
  for hours upon hours about this me too well i
• 2:03:59
  kind of kind of wrap this up just because we have a thing we have to go to but
• 2:04:03
  yeah i do too yeah i really is there if there's anything else that you would
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  want to kind of say hey i wish there would have said this before is there anything
• 2:04:10
  like else that you want to kind of just bring up before we kind of close out
• 2:04:13
  or yeah how long do i have go ahead go ahead what time is it jesse.
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  33. We have, I think, a one. Okay.
• 2:04:22
  So a couple things that I'd really like to get into.
• 2:04:26
  One is I want to help people get outside of themselves and outside of this plane
• 2:04:32
  of reality because Christ has constantly told us to walk by faith and not by
• 2:04:35
  sight and understand that we are in this small bubble that is our universe, okay?
• 2:04:42
  And the Lord, I could show you in Scripture, but
• 2:04:45
  He's hugely outside of our universe he doesn't
• 2:04:48
  he's not constrained by our universe or by our time and it's
• 2:04:51
  like he created this simulation like the sims
• 2:04:54
  game he created this simulation yeah that's a
• 2:04:57
  that's a big term the simulation when you hear people talk about that right
• 2:05:01
  there's this reality this reality for us so so that we could experience his
• 2:05:09
  his blessings and his pleasures and things like that and have the opportunity
• 2:05:13
  to choose to love him instead of like robots programmed to love him.
• 2:05:19
  Like the angels, they don't have the free will that we do.
• 2:05:24
  I mean, they do have free will, but they don't have the veil covering them to
• 2:05:30
  where they can't see God. Yeah, they're like in his presence.
• 2:05:33
  Like they cannot, it's almost they cannot sin because they know who they're
• 2:05:37
  sinning right in front of. Right, exactly.
• 2:05:39
  So for us, we had that free will to make that discovery of who our Lord is and
• 2:05:46
  fall in love with Him and stuff like that.
• 2:05:48
  True love about who God is. And so—,
• 2:05:52
  My prayer is to help unify the people that are around us in our communities,
• 2:06:00
  okay, that are Christians, to help them remember how big our God is.
• 2:06:05
  Because just like with the situation with Iran, yes, I believe Iran is going
• 2:06:10
  to be bombed by America within a week.
• 2:06:14
  Like, I think this war is going to, before the end of June, this war is going
• 2:06:20
  to be kind of done because you can't keep letting people, you know, threaten you like this.
• 2:06:25
  And, you know, because you let them live, they're going to do it.
• 2:06:28
  So you're saying like done as in it's going to, the bombs are going to start
• 2:06:31
  flying, like from the U.S.
• 2:06:32
  Getting involved, or it's going to be the war is over? No, I mean that I think
• 2:06:37
  Israel and America are going to take out the leaders of Iran and take out their
• 2:06:43
  nuclear installations so they can't harm anybody.
• 2:06:46
  And actually, that's in Scripture, Jeremiah 49.
• 2:06:50
  But what I'm trying to get at is God's already ordained us and it's going to happen.
• 2:06:54
  And we need to see it from God's perspective. We need to stop seeing,
• 2:06:58
  looking at our reality from our perspective and start seeing it from God's perspective
• 2:07:03
  and start praying about his perspective be done and get our eyes off our storms
• 2:07:08
  and on our God to see what he wants to do and how he wants to lead us.
• 2:07:13
  So the church can actually operate how God wants us to operate.
• 2:07:17
  And so we can be effective for his purposes and for his glory.
• 2:07:22
  The other thing I really want to say about this is bringing people together
• 2:07:29
  to fellowship a little bit more about, just like we're doing,
• 2:07:33
  iron sharpening iron and more Bible studies like this being brought out and
• 2:07:39
  step outside the four walls of the church,
• 2:07:41
  kind of like you're doing in church.
• 2:07:44
  Just really to encourage the body of Christ. I love testimonies.
• 2:07:48
  I really want to hear more testimonies.
• 2:07:50
  I really want to hear more about, okay, what does the Bible really say from people, you know?
• 2:07:55
  So that the church around this area can get on the same page because the truth
• 2:08:00
  is that the Christians that are eager to follow the Lord, okay?
• 2:08:05
  And the ones that are Laodicean, okay?
• 2:08:09
  The ones that are lukewarm, the Bible says that they're going to be separated
• 2:08:13
  more and more and more and more and more.
• 2:08:15
  And there's going to be a small remnant of believers that they're going to be shining ones.
• 2:08:20
  In fact, I met a Christian, a young Christian woman yesterday that I never met before.
• 2:08:25
  And I said, and I saw a cross on her, you know, it was sideways,
• 2:08:30
  but I also saw some other jewelry on her. And she said, you know what?
• 2:08:34
  I said, I asked her if it's okay if I pray with you before I leave.
• 2:08:38
  And she says, yeah, I would love that.
• 2:08:40
  And she said, you know, it was such a blessing to meet you.
• 2:08:44
  And she said, isn't it cool how the Lord brings us together?
• 2:08:47
  And she said, yes, it's really easy to see as people, they're always shining.
• 2:08:52
  We're shining ones. And even the Dead Sea Scrolls talks about ancient prophets.
• 2:08:58
  In David's time, we're talking about the fact that they're shining ones,
• 2:09:02
  and they were referring to us.
• 2:09:04
  And if you read into the Old Testaments, you will hear like Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
• 2:09:11
  And Isaiah, they're talking about the times that we're living in now and being able to study that,
• 2:09:18
  to see ourselves ready for what God wants to do in our lives and how he wants
• 2:09:23
  to use us so we can be the shining ones to bring people into family Christ,
• 2:09:29
  whoever he wants to bring in, you know, so we can be leaders because there's
• 2:09:33
  so many people out there looking and eager.
• 2:09:36
  I see a lot young men that are just done with this world and want the truth.
• 2:09:42
  Because the enemies try to tell them that everything that they're doing is wrong
• 2:09:46
  and they know that they can't exist like that.
• 2:09:49
  I think a lot of people are open right now. A lot of people are open. I think so too.
• 2:09:54
  Big time. Yes. And I'm just praying for the church to be more effective out
• 2:09:58
  in the community and things like that.
• 2:10:01
  And also to worship and come together on a regular basis. That's my prayer. That's my hope.
• 2:10:06
  And to not shrink back. You know, a lot of people will say, let your light so
• 2:10:11
  shine that the whole world can see who you are by living by example.
• 2:10:16
  And I'm more of, I need to speak it.
• 2:10:19
  Okay. I need to be a little bit more like the, the, the apostle Paul and the
• 2:10:24
  apostle John. I need to go out and speak what Christ has done.
• 2:10:27
  I can't keep my, my light hidden under a bushel waiting for people to come see.
• 2:10:31
  I need to speak out like, you know, in podcasts like this and also out in the
• 2:10:35
  public swear as much as possible, and let the Lord protect me, you know? Amen.
• 2:10:41
  Well, that's awesome. Well, thank you so much, Annette. So did you have anything
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  you're working on or anything you're passionate about that you wanted to share or anything else?
• 2:10:47
  Or did you have any way that people could get in contact with you or anything
• 2:10:50
  you wanted to find you or anything like that you would want to put out there?
• 2:10:55
  At this time, I'm hoping to do FBC, maybe starting a podcast,
• 2:11:00
  maybe working with you and working with a couple other very talented people
• 2:11:05
  at our church to maybe do a regular podcast where we're doing like some short stories on,
• 2:11:10
  because I hadn't had a chance to talk to you about that yet,
• 2:11:13
  but doing testimonies and stuff like that about where God showed up big time
• 2:11:18
  in their life and to encourage the body of Christ and also to be out there in
• 2:11:23
  the public and maybe doing some videos and stuff like that to show what God's
• 2:11:27
  doing, you know, where he's moving in our community.
• 2:11:30
  Well, that's awesome. I'm very excited to do all that. And hopefully we can
• 2:11:33
  kind of team up on a lot of that stuff. I'm hoping so.
• 2:11:36
  Awesome. Well, thank you, Annette. Jessie, do you have anything else you wanted
• 2:11:39
  to? That was great. Glad she didn't come on. Yeah.
• 2:11:42
  All right. We'll kind of wrap it up. Well, thank you. Great.
• 2:11:45
  Thank you so much. Have a blessed day. You too.
• 2:11:47
  All right. See y'all. Bye.
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  Music.