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2008's Quantum of Solace · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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Movie talk Show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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shelf, present it to the other end, discusses it at length.
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This week we've got, coming off of Dave's Shelf, 2008's Quantum
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of Solace, the second of the Daniel Craig Bond movies, this
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time directed by Marc Forster and written by Paul Haggis.
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It's more to talk about, of course, but David, here we are.
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Welcome back. Why this movie?
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Why now? It's.
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Really can't come to any surprise that this is coming off
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the shelf. No, it was.
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We kind of you led me down the primrose path with this one.
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Yes, indeedy. And it's a movie I again, I
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haven't seen for probably at least over a decade.
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OK, it's a movie that I think I liked.
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Oh yeah, but. Don't really remember much of
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it, a lot of chases if I recall, which is true, and I figured I'd
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expose you to a little bit more double O 7, you know, just get
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all the Daniel Craig of it all in there.
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And I appreciate it. First of all, right out of the
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gate, we have a new intro, obviously a new song.
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Yeah. Mr. Barry White, Jack White,
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Jack White and Alicia Keys. Yes, quite a quite a duo.
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He's pretty popular. I'm not really ever been a White
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Stripes Jack White fan, but he does the Conan O'Brien intro
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music which I assume you love. Yes, well, I don't love it.
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You love it, you love it. Think about it.
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I'm aware it's white stripes, sure, but I didn't realize Jack
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was involved in that. Yeah, he's the.
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White in The White Stripes. Oh OK, I thought it was the
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color. Like paint?
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Yes, I think it's a Dublin entendre.
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OK, I've been thinking about a lot of paint lately.
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I'm trying to I'm trying to pick up the right blue for my
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basement. Interesting actually.
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OK, so if you have any. Thoughts or ideas?
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Please share after the. I'm colorblind so dark and light
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is all I have to really to offer.
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OK, once again, Philip is no help, no help.
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What are your thoughts around? If you want to compare this to
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the last one, which we're going to do, we have to.
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But I mean, that's not going to be the the, the meat of the
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whole episode. Maybe it will be.
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But the reality is, yes, it is a sequel of of sorts.
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You love the cards last week. You love the Chris Cornell.
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You mentioned you didn't really care for, but I I like him
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generally. I like his voice generally.
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And so putting him into that, then I was kind of on board.
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What I will say about these two now is that neither seem to have
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the replayability. You know I'd song wise, song
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wise, yeah, strictly, I'm just talking about the song, the
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history of this franchise and the songs liver let die.
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It's. Gun Roses.
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Exactly. Yeah, not the original.
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No, the original, but that kind of song has has sort of stood
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the test of time. Use your illusion 1.
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I believe it's on. Yeah.
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And Columbia House, McCartney, Carly Simon, As I said, Duran
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Duran. Aha.
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Rightly, these iconic songs that have been like could be played
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on the radio and be part of your life.
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This song and the one prior while I liked Cornell's whatever
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that song was, it doesn't stick. But I would listen to like Tina
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Turner's Goldeneye. Of course I can listen to that
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on the old earbuds are. You wired or not wired?
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I'm always I'm wired ear to ear but it's Bluetooth after.
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Got you OK now luckily the movie movie itself has some
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replayability or does it Stay tuned and find out.
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I really only remember the end 10 minutes really.
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I watched this movie probably I want to say 3 or 4 times OK in
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my whole career on earth but and the last one is probably been
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roughly A decade. OK, I assumed I enjoyed it but I
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wasn't really sure so I was curious to see if I liked it
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upon this watch and along with your input, which I value, I
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want to say I do value your input history is proven once in
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a while. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Once a season. Usually you get it every week,
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but the value it sporadically at best.
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Let's talk a little bit about Mark Forrester.
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Can we? Yeah.
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Yeah, we can. We can.
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I don't have a lot to bring, I'll tell you that, because I
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looked at the list of movies that he's done and I have not
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watched any of them. None.
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Not even Monsters Ball, which I heard was a little overrated by
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somebody. You may have heard that from me.
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Yes, that movie won Halle Berry an Oscar.
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Good for her. I think she should have won it
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in Swordfish. Just saying, great work in that
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great. Work.
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You know, the whole ad campaign for Swordfish was basically
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like, you get to see my boobs. Yeah, of course, that was the
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whole thing. I remember her being on the.
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I have the DVD buddy. The MTV Movie Awards with
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Jackman and Travolta presenting the award and made some allusion
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to If you want to see these, you'll have to go to the movie.
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What a just bold maneuver and I never saw that movie.
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I own it and it probably did not survive the garage sale because
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of that. Some kid came along and like, I
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know. I know it's.
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It was a DVD with a flap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Warner Brothers picture. Yeah, yeah, they were doing
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that. So Mark Forster, I have to say
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when I when I saw his name on the credit, I thought, what is
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this guy doing directing this movie?
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The idea that the directors to my memory are interchangeable
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that there is no specific definitive repeat customer type
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of director seems as all for hire kind of situation.
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And we had talked about the hiring of Denis Villeneuve might
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put a sort of an authorist stamp on on a movie that so far I I
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hadn't thought that this series kind of has.
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And you know, I knew Forster from Monsters Ball, obviously
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this very kind of heavy-handed, racialized sort of storytelling.
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And World War Z maybe more familiar to something like
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Stranger Than Fiction and recently A Man Called Otto.
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I think this guy is not a good director.
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Or at least attach themselves to products, projects that I do not
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particularly care for so. This sounds like something you
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put some thought into. Well, I just knew the guy and I
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thought this doesn't bode well now so.
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We're in trouble already. But just the idea of how does a
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guy like this, who directed something like Finding
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Neverland, this quiet movie about JM Barry, who wrote Peter
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Pan, did they find it? They've did.
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I guess I'll have to watch it now, which is like a totally
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mediocre sappy drama. And Christopher Robin, another
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one, right, that he gets this, this Bond movie.
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It just strikes me as odd. Do you think that this director,
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generally speaking, will get specific?
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Do you think he was up for the task compared to the last movie
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or compared to some of these? Out of these actions he goes out
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of this movie play out stylist. From that perspective, Phil, I
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think he was a little over ambitious, overstepped, I might
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say, trying to do too much. Sometimes too much is, well,
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it's too much, it's too much, I'll come out and say it.
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So I was a little disappointed with his thought process.
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What he wanted to do with the movie with the final product was
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going to look like, and I say this multiple times that there
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is a good movie in this, but I really mean it for this.
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OK. I think if they re edit this
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movie, it's a lot better. You think it's an editing
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problem? I think it's like a mostly I
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would say it's the problems I have with this movie are 90%
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editing. Wow.
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Yeah, OK. So I think there's good stuff.
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I think it's a good a good film. OK, Like Bold Despite that.
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Sure. But it could have been a lot
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better. So.
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And I think it comes down, I mean, someone has to take
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responsibility for this and it comes down on Mr. Forrest.
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Yeah. Ultimately, yeah, ultimately,
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yeah. He's got a, he's got a answer
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for this. One thing I will say when we're
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talking about responsibility, some of it has to go to Mr. Paul
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Haggis, in addition to Neil Purvis and and Robert Wade of
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the three credited writers. But Paul Haggis?
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Yeah, let's let's pin it on him. Is a fucking joke.
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Wow. He sucks and the fact that.
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I don't have any history on him, what he's done.
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Well, you know, David, there was a story I told not that many
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weeks ago about getting so mad at the 2006 Academy Awards that
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I stormed out of my house in his own house, leaving people
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watching the television, wondering what's going on.
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I was so mad because that was the year of Brokeback Mountain.
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Good night and good luck. Capote.
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Crash. Crash the writer, director of
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Crash. I took it home.
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I. Took it home, best picture.
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I think you won the best director, best writer like it
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was just the. Are you an outlier on this or
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was this a common thing where people were really surprised
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that it won or and or disappointed?
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I think I think this. Is a you?
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Thing. It's partly me for sure.
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I think history has not been kind.
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I think that when some people watch that movie and they think
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wow really deep and smart, people think wow really cheap.
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And that's ultimately what I thought it was like.
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So razor thin, but emotionally hitting the beats.
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There's a little girl that dies in a gun and not a gun.
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And so my kind of movie, really. Yeah, thin and easy to.
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I like thin and easy. Yeah.
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Was Sarah Polly in that? No, I'm getting mixed up with
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something. Sandra Bullock was in it.
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Ryan Phillippi? Matt Dillon.
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You like Ryan Terrence Howard. Anyway, just a garbage movie.
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History's not been kind too. And I was even more disappointed
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because he also, I think, wrote $1,000,000 Baby, which is a
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movie I hated as well. OK.
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Well, Philip, what movie am I thinking of?
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Of Sarah Polley? Do you know there's a car
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involved? As a go that you're referring.
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To go. Yeah, early 2000s.
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That's what I'm getting mixed up with.
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I've got go mixed up with. Crash 98, maybe 98?
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Yeah, that's somewhere. In that region, OK, there we go.
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Well, Crash sucks and Paul Haggis is a hack.
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OK. But go was great.
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Go was great. Sure, yeah.
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Anything with Doug Lyman directed that one.
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There you go. We love a Doug Lyman film, don't
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we? Yep.
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What we also like Phillip, if we can get into the film now, if
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you don't mind sure we can't avoid it forever.
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It immediately gets into a car chase right out of.
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The gate and this you told me about you not necessarily the
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the car chase specifically, but you said this last week that the
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structure of these movies is always something and then the
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title sequence. And so I knew that I kind of
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anticipated that this was going to open with something
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happening. And this was the something.
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That's just something. Last week we talked about the
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something first. Yes, this time we talked about
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the Jack Y of a change. You jump right to the music can
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help it. Now we're changing.
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Couldn't help it. Couldn't help it.
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Love, Alicia. And this is where the editing
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right from the start, the quick cuts, yeah, it doesn't allow you
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to sink your teeth into anything that's happening on the screen.
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It's too much for your brain even to compute.
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So really, it's just a waste of time.
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Yeah, my note is really like a car chase right away I wrote
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uninspired. Like there's just nothing
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exciting about. It and even with your favorite
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type of scene, which is a trunk, we have your old pal Mr. White,
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which I made sure I just kept that under wraps, that we would
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see Mr. White again. Mr. White.
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But this is new to me because the Pierce Brosnan was very
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episodic. Yeah, my understanding of Bond
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historically as being one and done.
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It's like self-contained stories.
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But this seems to be a carry on, yeah.
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And when I watch shows today, I enjoy the fact that Bosch, which
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there is a spin off coming, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, you mentioned. Ballard.
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Yeah, OK with. Maggie Q if you're interested
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and every season is a thing, yes, in the 80s and 90s,
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MacGyver, A-Team maybe you got a 2 parter, but most at most.
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Or maybe like a cliffhanger like the Borg in Star Trek, right?
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That was a big cliffhanger, a big thing.
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But generally everything stands on its own and people overtime
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characters develop, couple thematic elements will continue
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throughout something it's married or some changes happen
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that carry through. But generally speaking, it's a
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brand new episode every time. So to have the continuation, if
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you will, is something that surprised me at first, but I
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kind of was OK with it and got on board with it because you
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want to tell a story that's longer than two hours.
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Yeah, that surprised me. One bad guy.
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Per New Girl, new bad guy and blah blah blah happens and the
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movie's over and it starts again reset, like I sort of alluded to
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last week, levels of bad guys and they they're sort of.
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Get the little fish and then you're getting up towards the
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big fish, which in other words, a surprise again, Matt, it's not
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being the bad guy really, not really just had an eye problem,
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asthmatic money issues, gambling problem, so forth and so on.
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Just a regular guy really sounded like me.
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Yeah, 30 that's Phil fills the bad guy here.
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But what I don't like about it is it can kind of what's the
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word it starts with C convolute is.
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That right is that the right word Convolute the the process
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yeah. I was very surprised to find
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that this making specific reference to and having
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connective tissue to Vesper, Mr. White, even our old pal Mathis
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showing up at some point, you know, so these are things where
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I'm like, oh, it's, it's more of that continuation than I would
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have anticipated. And again, I don't know if that
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continues, but. I'm not going to tell you a
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little bit. I thought of like Halloween too.
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Yes, that's right. And you have to answer a
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question for me this week hit me, was this movie better than
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Halloween too? I know it's tough to compare the
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completely different genres and you've been watching Halloween
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for for years. So it's more of a question of
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how you felt about this versus the last one versus how I felt
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about Halloween after Halloween, you know?
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I strangely if I remember I think you liked two more than I
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did because 2 is pretty low on my.
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On the overall on my way. I thought Halloween 2 started
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strong and fell apart after. I didn't like the kills, that
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they were pretty unimaginative. Unless, you know, the heat, The
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bathtub, the bathtub, the hot tub.
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There, that was great. This one I think is maybe even
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more disappointing than Halloween too, because.
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I because we're coming in strong that's.
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The thing I think my my level of my love of Halloween 1 is built
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in for for 25 years like you're saying, 30 years of watching it
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more than that, probably. Like masterpiece you may have.
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Used that, yeah, absolutely a perfect film.
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But this, I was so surprised by how much I enjoyed Casino Royale
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that I was kind of pumped for this one.
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And ultimately, we'll get into the specifics, but I think this
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movie is a mess and I think that it struggles to have any of the
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highs I felt while watching Casino Royale.
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This one does not deliver. Now you said it's a mess.
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Would you go as far as to say it's a hot mess?
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That's my hot take. Hot take, hot mess.
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I want to disagree with you, but I'm going to try to salvage it.
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I'm going to try to see if I can find that good movie in here
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because I know it exists. I just think it does take a
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complete re edit to make it good.
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But there are some elements I did still like the character
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itself, the growth or lack thereof of the Bond character,
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the other characters of the supporting cast of it all.
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We have some new faces, but I'm going to have to bring it back
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to Mr. White though. Philip, we have to.
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We have to. We just got to he's this whole
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movie is sort of. It's, it's, it's begun.
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Because he is the mastermind. Yeah, supposedly.
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For now. For now, we might level up, I
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don't know. I'm not telling you, but after
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the car chase. We realize these are the trunk.
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These are the trunk. Yeah.
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And I think you fell in love. Yes, or not too.
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So they take and they take them. Where are we?
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Do you know where we are? What country?
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It's gorgeous. Italy.
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Maybe again for the 4th time. Fifth time, I don't know.
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Doesn't really matter. They're in a sewer.
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That's really more that matter. I wouldn't say sewer.
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Is that a sewer? What is that?
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Are they in a sewer? They're below ground.
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I I feel like, you know. Sure.
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Definitely in some sort of bunker maybe.
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Yeah. Some hideout.
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Yeah. Hideout of sorts.
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No, no, no traffic coming through.
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Yes, that's the big thing. But there's a lot, there's a lot
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going on outside, of course, with the horses.
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More horses. Yeah, I believe they're horses.
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Yeah, that's right. There's a thing happening.
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Yes. That's what's going on there.
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Some sort of Derby. Yeah, it's a horse Derby, but
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they need a question, Mr. White. They want answers.
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They want answers. Right.
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He's the only person that James Bond didn't kill in the last
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movie, yes. He tried not to kill them.
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But how do you feel about this little chat with Mr. White?
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I was surprised to see him, and I really, after the end of the
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last movie, you were surprised to see him.
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I assumed he would have died. OK, You're thinking you're
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getting into a brand new movie. I think I'm getting into a brand
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new movie, Right. Again, I don't know that this is
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a larger story. So when he pops the trunk and I
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they, you know, are interrogating him, I'm like, oh,
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this is interesting. I didn't expect that.
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OK, good around your toes. You're on the edge of your seat.
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That's right. And he has the the one moment I
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really like in this opening part is where he is laughing at em,
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you know, for the overconfidence.
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You shouldn't laugh at em but. That, that they have, you know,
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it's like, you know, we have people everywhere and you don't
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even know us. And then one of their security
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guards, Mitchell Mitchell Mitchell shoots the other one.
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Yeah. At first I was like, well,
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that's clever, I like that, Yeah.
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And upon further reflection, I think you've got the leader of
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MI 6 and the potentially whom everybody can assume is the
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greatest spy in the history of the game.
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Top ten at least. 6 inches away from you.
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Why has it taken this long? Why are you not killing M if
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this guy has been her right hand person for 8 plus years or
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something? Eight years.
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Mitchell was eight years. You're going to shoot the least
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potent person in the room. Terry.
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Terry. He shot Terry.
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Yeah, he killed Terry. And you're.
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Terry had to come in, though. And and you're getting nothing
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out of that. Terry took his lunch.
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Terry for eight years, Terry was taken Mitchell's lunch.
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That's a good point. Right away, this app doesn't
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make sense. You're done.
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You're you're it's fine. But I'm like, again, you're
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setting this up as high stakes and that's such the silliest
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thing I could think. Of it happened so fast now 8.
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Years like you haven't had a chance to assassinate the head
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of the the British. I can explain that, please.
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You need her because that's where you're getting
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information, OK. There's no point in killing her
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because they're just going to replace her with somebody else.
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So that just seems pointless. So you're, you're there just to
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kind of have ears, a family on the wall.
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OK, I'll accept that's that's actually totally reasonable.
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That's a rare 1. You know when you're in that
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situation for like to see how you react.
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I'm going for Terry. Because you really like your
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lunch. As we talked about in the
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Insider, it is the best meal, the lunch you got, it is the
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best. But what this does create is
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chase #2 yes, now this will be a bit of a theme.
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We go, we, we've gone car already could check Mark car
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chase. Yes, now we can check Mark foot
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chase. Yep, him and Mitchell go at it.
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And one thing that I did appreciate from Casino Royale,
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just took a quick note, Parkour. No, no, later the stairwell
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scene. I went on record saying I love a
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stairwell scene. And I'm going to back that up
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right now is Bond went through the door, stopped, wait for him
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to come to the door and pointed his gut at him.
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Great move. Mitchell should have went to
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that school because that's all he had to do, right?
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He went through a few doors. He had to just has to turn
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around, wait for him to come. Bond doesn't have a gun and just
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you're done. That's always bothered me that
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they don't do that. Yeah, it's questionable kind of
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structure. Yeah, now it makes sense for a
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bond to ring the bell. Might confuse a few people The
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church time. Yeah, I thought this chase
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generally went on too long, but I like the ending of it.
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I like the hanging upside down shooting kind of into camera as
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he's looking up, OK, as he's dangling.
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You like that? I thought that's from the
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trailer. I kind of have a memory of that
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image from the trailer. I like the scenic up on a roof
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and in the rooms and then whatever the sort of structure
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of it. But I didn't find it was edited
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to your point interestingly, and stylistically wasn't it was Also
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this movie's very brown. It it it is very brown I.
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Found the movie is sort of lifeless at times because of it.
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I like it. I liked it, but it does run into
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that potential problem. Now I'm also, as I mentioned,
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color blind. So, I mean, there could have
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very well been, yeah. Yeah, it's right.
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Very vibrant. It was green, actually.
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That last scene wasn't in the desert fell.
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It was actually in the Amazon. That's right.
20:54
So. Eight years, though, Mitchell,
20:56
eight years and M had no idea. And they're pulling up all the
20:59
information on them and all that stuff.
21:02
They Mosey on back to London, where it's a little bit less
21:05
brown, but rainy Gray. Yeah, very Gray.
21:09
But what was really cool, I thought, was the technology.
21:14
When they go into this room with this giant sort of display unit
21:18
in the middle and their touch screen, I think that's really
21:22
cool, I think. They did a really good job with
21:24
that. Yeah, it's always really clever.
21:25
And it's cool what you're doing now because it's not too
21:27
dissimilar to stuff that we're seeing now with obviously AI and
21:30
VR and, you know, this ability to interact with things.
21:34
You know, there's a game, Maestro, that just come out and
21:36
it uses hand tracking. You don't even need your
21:38
controllers. You just have to wave your hands
21:40
and it goes where you are. Like Bob Cobb.
21:43
That's right, Maestro. But what happens in London if,
21:54
correct me if I'm wrong, they do get a lead, luckily, and it
21:58
takes them to What are your favorite places?
22:01
Haiti. Yeah, who can hate Haiti?
22:05
It's not on my top 10 destinations.
22:07
Port-au-Prince Port. Au Prince Lovely this time of
22:09
year where we get to meet your favorite gal.
22:13
Yeah, Olga. Somebody.
22:16
Kurienko. Kurienko.
22:18
She sucks. She's fucking terrible
22:21
generally. Oh my God, well this is the only
22:23
other movie now that I've seen her in.
22:24
So I don't think are we at 3 strikes, you're out.
22:27
I think we're at 2 strikes. Just two.
22:28
I couldn't. Stand it, I have another on the
22:30
shelf with her in there. No 3 strikes.
22:33
She was in Max Payne. Wow, she played the sister.
22:36
That is a very. Deep cut and I Yeah, long
22:39
thought forgot about that movie yeah, but then that is 3 you're
22:41
out. I think we can't ever touch her
22:43
again. You're right.
22:44
Oblivion. She was absolutely the worst
22:46
part about it. No chemistry and.
22:48
Tom's got to take some responsibility, of course.
22:50
But I think it's now, now that I've seen this, she has zero
22:52
with her with him. And I think that Strawberry
22:55
Fields, Jim Arderton and Eva Green from the last movie both
23:01
had far more, far more chemistry with him then then then she
23:05
does. And so my issue is now with her
23:09
specifically, she sucks. And I think everything she's
23:12
saying in this movie, her entire performance, I think is
23:15
absolutely terrible. I don't think that's a hot take.
23:17
I think this has been, you know. It's been well litigated.
23:22
I mean my note is honestly like Olga sucks.
23:25
But don't you think she'd be really good in a boat chase?
23:28
If she was going in the opposite direction and I didn't have to
23:31
chase after her, then yeah, she's terrible.
23:34
OK. I, I, I think any emotional way.
23:36
We talked last week about Eva Green in the shower after the
23:42
emotional breakdown of what happened.
23:44
You were, yeah. And I.
23:45
Don't know. I was like, I thought it was a
23:46
really good. Performance.
23:47
That was your favorite scene? It really was sucking on a
23:49
finger. Sucking on a finger, Yeah, it's
23:51
a good move. And this movie tries to do
23:53
something very similar later on during the end where she has
23:57
experienced this trauma and she's wrestling with her
24:01
villain, her bad guy as it were. All thing going.
24:04
On and she's sitting in a corner, effectively trapped and
24:07
hamstrung by the story, and there is so little life or
24:13
interest by this point. What if he had sucked on her
24:16
finger though? What if they put her in a trunk?
24:18
And sucked on her. Finger and then sucked on her
24:20
finger. You might get something
24:21
happening here, but that didn't happen.
24:23
But no Olga. I just I was so disappointed
24:25
when I saw the name. I shouldn't say I had low
24:28
expectations when I saw the name because I remember how much I
24:31
disliked her in oblivion. But you're willing to give her.
24:33
I was willing to say this is a Tom problem.
24:34
It's a script problem. Like I said, give me another
24:36
chance. She she's got one more strike.
24:38
I really forgot about Max Payne, but I just think she's bad in
24:42
this. I don't know what your thoughts
24:44
are but I thought she's bad. I would love to go to bat for I
24:47
would, but it's. But I can't.
24:51
I can't and I won't. I won't.
24:53
I'm not going to make, I'm not going to make excuses for her.
24:55
I don't want to pour on too much onto your wound here.
24:59
But we also get to meet what we think is going to be the bad guy
25:02
of this movie. Yeah, because she runs back to
25:05
him. Sure, she ultimately is the bad
25:07
guy of this movie. Yeah, ultimately, ultimately
25:09
there isn't really anyone above him at this.
25:11
Point We don't know where Mr. White is.
25:13
I guess, but you know Mr. White, can't he better not be 5 movies
25:18
worth? I don't know.
25:19
They had him twice. They could have.
25:20
Killed him. Not going to tell you, but but
25:22
what are your initial thoughts? We'll get to your, you know,
25:25
we'll see if you swing a little bit later, but this is our our
25:28
feature. Bad dude.
25:30
Yeah. What's your first impression of
25:31
him? Not a not great, not great.
25:34
He kind of has a Mads vibe. Foreign accent, wide eyes.
25:39
His eyes were a little bit odd. Yeah, like always, just sort of
25:44
weirdly broadened out. And to me, these movies are kind
25:47
of what I think. When I think of these movies, I
25:49
think of again, the villains and the gadgets.
25:52
The gadgets. Travelogue, which is one thing
25:54
they've been getting right. Yeah, but again, because you're
25:57
going to these brown, Gray places this time I'm like, I'm
26:00
not getting that the woman is, regardless of attractive or not,
26:04
just completely terrible in terms of performance and actor.
26:07
And then this villain I think is so generically milk toast.
26:12
Bland performance. I don't think his performance is
26:15
that bad, I just don't think he has a lot to work with.
26:17
No chemistry like himself and he just has no like there's just
26:21
nothing. He's very flat and boring to me
26:23
and he never rose above that. I'm like, OK, he's the quiet
26:27
malicious. Type.
26:29
He's a jerk. Yeah, sure.
26:30
He's an asshole. Yeah.
26:32
I wouldn't be friends. I'm sitting on a couch next to
26:34
one. It just happens.
26:36
But. But as a performer, as a
26:38
character, I just don't know that there's anything there.
26:41
All right. I do like that the bond was
26:44
introduced as a geologist. Yeah.
26:46
And I was wondering if Pacino has anything to say about that?
26:49
You know what? I'm going to make a quick note
26:51
on Pacino. Yeah, from Glengarry Glen Ross.
26:55
I talked about not being a big fan of his dialogue.
26:57
You did the whole thing. I was in the kitchen opening up
27:00
a cupboard. This is shortly after, you know,
27:03
some changes in my life with work and stuff.
27:06
I got it. Everything he said just click
27:09
with me. Yeah.
27:10
And it was a, it was a brief moment like I, I, I get it.
27:14
I get it now. And it was, it was such clarity.
27:18
I'm like, man, it was just an interesting moment I had in the
27:21
kitchen. I normally don't have
27:22
interesting moments in the kitchen.
27:24
No, not like the wigands. No, no, no.
27:27
I've had a few fights in the kitchen, though.
27:29
Sure. Yeah, it makes sense.
27:30
Usually it's my fault. But anyways, back to the movie
27:33
and let me look at my watch. It is time for another chase.
27:37
Exactly. We've checked.
27:40
Marked car foot. So what do we have left here?
27:42
Well, we have a boat, so let's let's hit the water.
27:46
Do that. Yeah, the seas.
27:47
I love it. I absolutely love a good boat
27:50
chase. Patriot Games, if you recall.
27:53
Striking distance. Yeah, I've brought a lot of
27:56
river around goodies off the shelf when it comes to
28:00
transportation in the ocean or the waterfront, wherever.
28:03
White Squaw eventually coming off of my shelf.
28:05
I can't wait. I can't wait.
28:07
Isn't it? Wow.
28:08
What's his face in that? Jeff Bridges.
28:10
OK, I was thinking of Dennis Quaid.
28:12
OK, back to the boat. He Bond, When I say he, I mean
28:17
Bond thinks he's doing the right thing and saving the girl.
28:20
Yeah, that's his. That's his instincts she wants.
28:23
This guy a presidente? Yeah, because he.
28:27
Caused some trouble for her family, killed her parents from
28:30
what I gather. Killed her father and then
28:32
raped. And brother, she does not.
28:34
Like that, she's not a fan. No.
28:36
And she wants revenge, which is a bit of a theme in this movie.
28:40
Absolutely. So we have a parallel.
28:42
Yep, revenge theme that I think is actually good.
28:45
Interesting storytelling. Thank you I.
28:47
Don't know if it's executed well, but in terms of
28:49
applauding, yeah, absolutely. If she was a better actor and
28:52
like there was better writing to get there, I was like, this is
28:55
the story. If they do the other 18 things
28:57
right, I again when I think about like.
28:59
Last of Us Part 2 Have you ever? Have you played that or?
29:01
No, I haven't. No.
29:03
Well, to spoil it, it basically is a revenge tale told through
29:07
two different perspectives. OK.
29:09
And they kind of go on their separate ways to revenge a
29:15
connected thing between these two characters, but they're on
29:18
separate paths and converging parallel, parallel until they're
29:22
convergence. And you're like, okay.
29:24
And then you get to pick whose side you're on and like some
29:26
nuance and some interesting emotional pathos in the middle
29:30
of that. Sounds good.
29:33
It doesn't do that, unfortunately.
29:34
It they they stay so far sort of separate to one another that
29:38
there isn't that except for that one scene in The Cave, which I
29:40
think just doesn't offer the weight to her saying you have to
29:46
tell me what it's like to, you know, to when you solve the
29:48
revenge, right? Like that kind of thing.
29:50
I've been even sure that's a cave.
29:52
I don't know what makes sink cave a cave.
29:53
A sinkhole. OK, there's a difference.
29:55
Well, it's under, under the ground.
29:58
Well you know who isn't under the ground is Felix, cuz he's in
30:02
the sky. Yeah, it's hanging out.
30:05
Another character I was surprised to see come back.
30:07
Yeah, at this point I kind of figured.
30:09
All the greats come back. You know how much I loved him in
30:11
the first one. You.
30:12
Didn't like him in the first. That's.
30:13
Right. And I liked him enough in the
30:15
first one. He wasn't.
30:17
I like him as an actor, but he's completely wasted here.
30:19
This maybe this is. This whole subplot is wasted to
30:21
me. The CIA, the CIA bid.
30:23
What's your deal on the Langley? What's your thoughts on this?
30:25
I only enjoyed it because his buddy there, David Harbour.
30:28
David Harbour. I worked with a guy that is.
30:31
Borderlining on doppelganger. Wow.
30:33
The way he looks. Yeah.
30:35
And the way he speaks, he's got a very distinct voice.
30:38
And he's a wonderful person in real life, actually, Yeah, I
30:41
heard he's a monster. Oh, OK.
30:43
What are the odds I got it wrong?
30:45
I mean, this is pretty common in probably in real life and real
30:48
politics and all that is they're willing to get their hands a
30:51
little bit dirty if there, you know?
30:53
Yeah, if they get what they want, they'll turn the blind
30:55
eye. It's the way they work in
30:57
criminal cases too, right? You get the low guys, Yeah, give
31:00
them immunity so that they can topple the big guys.
31:04
It's all about the size of the fish.
31:05
Exactly. Yes, exactly.
31:06
I had fish last night for dinner.
31:08
Yeah. It was the size of that one.
31:09
It was pretty thick, OK, It took 25 minutes to to cook.
31:13
Searing it. I put in the oven.
31:15
I bake it at 4050. Interesting.
31:17
Yeah. I marinate it randomly with
31:18
whatever I can find. Little oil and, you know, black
31:20
pepper, salmon. That's my go to.
31:23
Yeah. Yeah.
31:23
Pretty staple. Atlantic farmed.
31:26
Lived a happy life. Let's get to a showcase scene.
31:30
My favorite scene in the movie. OK, well, OK, take it easy.
31:35
I would. I would.
31:36
Gee, shit. I might just agree with that.
31:38
Wow, That was hard to say, to be honest with you.
31:41
Yeah, that's true. That is true.
31:42
This is the one good scene of the movie.
31:43
I think that it. I was kidding.
31:45
I think part of the reason why it's so good is the editing in
31:48
this section allows you to follow along and understand
31:52
what's going on. Yeah, For me, it's the things
31:54
that I think of when I think of James Bond, I think of spying, I
31:58
think of. Yeah, it's the gadgetry, the
32:01
cleverness of calling them out because he's got their wire.
32:04
Yeah, he's plugged in and he's listening to their
32:06
conversations. He then interrupts them so he
32:08
can signal that these 8 or so you should meet at a better
32:12
place, right? Start getting up.
32:13
So they all start getting up, the gadgets clicking in, right.
32:16
And so he's ahead of the game. He's doing appropriate.
32:19
Doing a great job. A spy thing.
32:21
He's not just shooting every Right, like, so it's like here
32:23
is the the spy version of what Bond is or could be.
32:27
Yeah. And I thought all of that was
32:29
really well executed, as well as listening to these assholes talk
32:33
about the way. They're going.
32:34
To they're going to kind of overtake everybody.
32:37
It's not quite the opera scene from Tenet.
32:39
Of course, which is very visceral as well.
32:42
But I thought the intercutting was really interesting too.
32:44
He did execute one person, bodyguard of one of the guys.
32:48
So he's not going to get through this without one body count or
32:51
he wouldn't be James Bond. That's OK.
32:54
Yeah, this is the sort of scene where they intercut between
32:56
what's happening on the stage. This is the only part of the
33:00
movie sequence of the movie where I thought there's a style
33:03
being implemented. I don't really love it
33:05
necessarily, but I think it's perfectly functional and like it
33:08
works. Intercutting can work.
33:10
Intercutting cannot work. And I told you in the beginning
33:12
of the movie when they have the horse stuff happening outside
33:15
and they were. I did not like that.
33:17
That was just dysfunctional. The worst intercutting I've ever
33:21
seen in my life, which we hopefully will never get to, is
33:24
Episode 1 Star Wars Phantom Menace.
33:26
It's the worst. I'm glad that we were able to,
33:29
you know, latch on like a nipple to the scene.
33:31
It's a it's a good one, Yeah. And I think doesn't.
33:34
Work out well though. No, she's not happy.
33:37
She's peeved. Yeah, she's peeved.
33:40
But before she's peeved, well, she's always peeved.
33:43
Let's be honest, She's not. Ever.
33:45
She has been peeved the entire time.
33:46
Yeah, she's more upset than normal, and she does something a
33:50
little rash, in my opinion. Yeah, sure.
33:53
Cuts off his credit cards. Not pretty.
33:55
Not pretty. Yeah, he's trying to get a
33:57
flight out and cannot. So what do you do, Phillip?
34:01
When you need friends, you need friends and he doesn't have a
34:04
lot. Not a lot.
34:05
He doesn't, he says at the beginning of the movie.
34:06
I don't have friends, but he's got one.
34:08
Turns out. Your best buddy this It was a
34:11
shock or you were. Surprised to see Mr. Mathis.
34:14
Yeah, and I was really disappointed.
34:16
How so and why? To me, it's like retcon.
34:19
I don't know the plan for this movie.
34:21
I have no idea if it was always going to be Mathis and he was
34:25
built in from the ground up, but watching the movie in its
34:28
totality and certainly coming off of Casino Royale last week
34:32
where he's the bad guy or at least a two timer.
34:35
Swings both ways. Yeah, gets tasered and dragged
34:38
off to nowhere. Happened to a friend of mine.
34:42
Assuming to be not seen from again.
34:44
You're so naive, fellow. That these people are coming
34:46
back so. Naive.
34:47
But to me, I'm thinking it put a bond in some pretty questionable
34:51
situations, arguably a lot of money.
34:52
So he's not a good person. So the fact that he just shows
34:56
up magically here and is only in the movie for 9 minutes feels
35:01
very like we don't know how to solve this problem because I
35:05
don't buy that relationship at all.
35:06
The way I understand this lifestyle is you don't really
35:11
ever have friends. They're your friends when you
35:13
need something, and Mathis can provide a service that he needs
35:18
so that he has to buddy buddy with them.
35:20
They can have a joke, have a glass of wine.
35:22
Is the one expensive? We're not really sure.
35:25
Yeah, As an actor, I have no real problems other than just
35:27
like, I don't buy that relationship.
35:29
And I was surprised to see. Him.
35:30
I think you're nitpicking. I think it's bad storytelling.
35:32
I think you have it out for him. I think I don't know why
35:34
storytelling well, and if I'm nitpicking a bad story point, I
35:38
stand by it. Nonetheless, he gets the
35:41
passports he needs, yes, from his good temporary friend
35:44
Mathis, so he can go where he needs.
35:48
To go to a dinner party, yes. With some shitty people, yes,
35:53
basically. But he gets to meet the
35:56
beautiful strawberry fields. Strawberry fields.
35:59
Nice name. It's a cute name.
36:01
Gemma Arterton. Yeah, very pretty girl.
36:03
Very pretty. I feel like I've seen her
36:04
somewhere but I couldn't put a finger on it.
36:06
Yeah, me neither, but I was impressed.
36:08
Yeah, yeah. That's a finger.
36:09
I would suck even a thumb. I would even downgrade to the
36:13
thumb Yeah, if push came to shove.
36:21
One of the things that we talked about that I don't think this
36:23
movie does enough of, and I think I would find it a more
36:26
interesting movie if it did, is this idea of forgiveness, of
36:30
revenge. When Matheson here having this
36:32
quiet moment as Mathis is dying in his arms and asks, do we
36:36
forgive each other? And then you can forgive
36:39
yourself if this story could better entwine the dramatic
36:44
impulses of the character and the story and the gravity of
36:47
what's happening with the action set pieces.
36:49
Yes, And the travel. All like all the gadgetry and
36:52
all the fun stuff. All well.
36:53
Blended in the first one, yeah. I thought was well executed and
36:55
this I just think, here's a moment, OK.
36:58
Is it Bon reckoning with what he lost in the first one?
37:02
Is that the impetus for the second movie?
37:05
And it isn't really, but it touches on that it is supposed
37:08
to be. Movie doesn't respect itself or
37:09
respect that storyline enough to spend enough time in it.
37:12
Had he said Mathis with his dying words, don't let it end
37:17
this way, you know, like from Star Trek 6, Gorkin.
37:20
Sure. I think it would have mattered
37:21
more. Yeah, Yeah.
37:23
And if again, I'm looking at the clock, not the watch, but the
37:27
clock on the wall. It's chase time.
37:29
It's chase time. We have Olga, I believe is in
37:32
the plane. Yeah, he's in the plane because
37:35
he's the main character of the movie.
37:37
Just another. Generic, boring.
37:39
I did like that they kind of smoked out.
37:41
I thought that was kind of, you know, clever.
37:42
I thought you'd like that. I got a little traces of the
37:45
Mutara Nebula. Oh yeah, yeah.
37:49
Yeah, not nearly as interesting. No, not shot at, no nothing.
37:52
A lot of CG at this point, and what I liked about the first
37:54
movie I never really got too much of that CG gloss.
37:58
No, just I noticed in the deck of cards with CG, Yeah, yeah,
38:02
those weren't real. Cards.
38:03
No, of course not. No, no.
38:04
You can't deal cards properly, no.
38:06
You can't deal them like. That not like that.
38:08
Not like that. Yeah, was even a real hand.
38:11
And finally, they end up in this big, big glorious sinkhole
38:15
scene, also known as a cave. It's a cave.
38:17
Well, I mean, to me a cave has a roof.
38:21
Like, you're in The Cave. OK, I got this.
38:23
If you look up, you would see clouds and you would see the
38:26
sky. So that tells me it's not a
38:27
cave. It's like Oblivion.
38:29
If you recall, that went down into the sinkhole, I guess.
38:32
Yeah. A cave, Yeah.
38:33
A cavern which is just long for cave, right?
38:35
Is that what that is? Is there a difference between
38:37
cave and cavern? That's what I want to know.
38:40
What's fascinating, I don't think I've really put those two
38:42
things together. But this is a big scene for you.
38:44
You you like this scene? No, I hate this scene.
38:46
Sorry I got mixed up here. This is the heartfelt
38:48
conversation. In any other movie would be a
38:51
scene that I gravitated towards. And in this movie, she's so
38:54
terrible that I feel nothing. I think Bond is OK, but he's
38:58
not. He's got nothing to work with.
38:59
This is a scene that for a person that is you alluded to
39:02
last week, I love dialogue like this would be a scene for you,
39:05
for me. And it's so flat, I find because
39:09
again, the performance is so thin and we haven't really lived
39:12
with that character enough to really feel her pain.
39:16
But it's just that she sucks so bad.
39:18
She's terrible and it ruins the scene as a result.
39:21
I'm starting to think you're not a big fan of Olga's.
39:23
Performance here not my favorite.
39:26
That is definitely the vibe I'm getting.
39:29
I want to share something with you that you probably may or may
39:32
not know, but water and oil don't mix.
39:34
Strawberry fields with oils don't work out too well.
39:37
And oil don't work out. Don't work out well.
39:39
In the Segway. We get her.
39:41
Yeah. Did you recognize who that was?
39:43
Covered in oil? Yeah.
39:44
No. Like, did did you think that
39:46
that was her? Not say it later, but yeah.
39:48
Not instantly, no, but pretty quick.
39:51
Who else would it be? Yeah, I guess because he slept
39:53
with her. Yes, he did.
39:54
He did. Lucky man.
39:55
Well, you know, maybe it was bad.
39:57
Had a good run. But she's dead and Bond is
40:01
fired. Loses his gun.
40:03
He's done, mission's over, you're off the case.
40:06
What happens 5 seconds later? He escapes from the the
40:10
handcuffs from the guards that are taking him into the.
40:12
Elevator, They underestimated him.
40:14
Yeah, clearly, yeah. Why are people underestimated?
40:18
But you do get Olga to the rescue.
40:20
She picks him up in her little VW.
40:22
Bug, right? Yeah, get in.
40:23
Yeah, for the second time. And then they're off they go,
40:26
off they go. Whatever.
40:28
Into the sunset. And now the CIA is meeting with
40:32
all the bad people, Bond and Felix having their one
40:35
interaction in this movie at the bar.
40:38
Oh, that's right. Yes.
40:39
Because did you like this scene? No, I did not not like it.
40:44
And it's just it's just propelling the the plot forward.
40:47
It's just tying up that end of OK, well, Felix is one of the
40:51
good guys. That's all this is doing.
40:52
But we don't even know that because.
40:54
What we do? At the end.
40:55
Because he plays the same character in every movie.
40:57
I've seen him more as bad guys, truthfully, but at the end when
41:00
he meets up with Harbor again, and I'll say this about that,
41:04
the OK the movie. Seems a little hot.
41:07
Clearly plotting. You mentioned last week the plot
41:12
not being confusing enough that you kind of figured out, but it
41:15
also doesn't seem to matter. This is another one where I
41:18
think it's a little bit more convoluted, but still doesn't
41:21
seem to matter. The plotting of these movies
41:23
don't seem to really matter. So you got Felix, you got
41:25
Harbor. They're working with the other
41:27
guys, but maybe not and a little bit with Bond, but not enough to
41:30
give them 30 seconds head start. You could give them a 20 minute
41:33
head start. Not everything has to be the
41:34
last possible thing you say, right?
41:36
Like so. 5 minutes would have the way.
41:38
These angles are happening. I don't really care or know
41:41
what's happening or who's on whose side, but it also doesn't
41:44
seem to matter to the real story.
41:45
Well, if that was supposed to be a moment, it did was not a
41:47
moment. Yeah, but why have it then?
41:49
It didn't seem to move the plot in any way.
41:52
And I said it did, didn't it? Well, yeah, like it's got to
41:54
keep moving, but like, I don't understand.
41:56
You're making me eat my words. I just don't know the point of
41:59
it. What is the CI as angle with
42:01
relationship to bond itself? I literally think it just wants
42:04
to tell us that Felix is one of the good guys.
42:06
That's it, that's it. You're looking.
42:08
You're reading way too much into it.
42:10
Felix is a good guy. That's it.
42:13
And then, yeah, we've got the bad guy do.
42:15
You even know who the bad guy is.
42:16
What's his name? It's Dominic Green.
42:20
Yes, with an E on the end. That's right, That's A.
42:22
Green space or something is his. I remember now, yeah.
42:26
That's ironic because he's not. Yeah, that is ironic.
42:29
Not that green. Yeah, yeah, I think they did it
42:31
on. Purpose.
42:31
Yes, it's pretty clever, but he has the scene now with the
42:35
Maderos, the president. I mean, you know his name, of
42:38
course. Wow.
42:39
Good, Mr. Maderos. Not a good deal.
42:41
The exchange, the money. Yeah.
42:43
And then he's. Oh, actually, also they're.
42:46
You're gonna have to buy all our utilities from us.
42:48
That's double what we pay. And then the bad guy talks some
42:51
story and threatens him about it, waking up with his balls in
42:53
his mouth. Yeah, a lot of another ball.
42:55
The balls, though, yeah, yeah. But I just thought this bad guy
42:59
is supposed to be so threatening, but it's not a meek
43:01
thing. I don't.
43:02
I'm not saying that he needs to be 63 and like jacked up to be
43:07
threatening, but he is so bland a performer that his threats are
43:11
just so generic to me that I'm like, I don't buy the threat
43:15
that he poses to the president. You're not signing.
43:18
I would probably not sign. Well, but he says.
43:20
You know who I work for? But he stands it with this dead
43:23
stare. Like, I don't know, I hate this
43:24
guy. I hate this.
43:25
Villain. You're not supposed to like him.
43:26
No, but like I hate the performance 2.
43:28
Performances now in this movie that you don't like and that's
43:31
going to be a problematic. Your final thoughts are not
43:33
going to be pretty when it comes to performance.
43:36
No, no, we do have a. Lot of fire.
43:38
Yeah, like this sort of wrapping up, this is the.
43:40
Last, this is what I remember from this is your.
43:42
Last 1015 talk to. Me, I would say ultimately,
43:45
compared to the rest of the movie, this is edited maybe a
43:48
little bit better. OK, maybe because there's just
43:50
always flames. So it's just cutting from flames
43:54
to flames, but doesn't feel as jarring.
43:56
Now I don't throw the word jarring around lightly.
43:58
No, no, that's probably why I remember it.
44:01
Sure. So I thought it was shot pretty
44:04
well and I agree with you in that it is, I think the the best
44:07
executed action sequence in the whole movie.
44:09
Yes, I think the flames go a long way, the building kind of
44:12
collapsing, not unlike what happened at the end of the last
44:15
movie. With the water, we have the
44:18
other. Yeah, kind of.
44:19
It's kind of opposite where we don't like any of the chase
44:21
scenes and that's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem.
44:25
Yeah, but the aesthetic I thought was good and I do enjoy
44:29
ultimately what happens to Dominic by him kind of escaping
44:33
out into the desert, Bond sort of clearly driving him further
44:37
or picking him up at some point and driving him out or
44:39
something. Yeah, he doesn't want to kill
44:40
anymore. He's done with that for now.
44:42
Gives him some motor oil. That's right.
44:43
You're going to want to drink this because it would kill you I
44:46
guess. Yeah, basically take away the
44:47
supper. You'll be so dehydrated, so
44:50
dehydrated that you would need to try and quench it and this is
44:54
all that you would have. So I like that.
44:57
Now my question is, do you think it was 10W30 or 10W40 or 5W30?
45:02
Easily the 5W30. I can't even believe you asked
45:05
me that question. I just I didn't know if you do
45:07
your viscosities, but clearly you do because you own a car.
45:10
Don't you worry. We have now what is presumably
45:22
the culmination of the Vesper storyline now.
45:26
This is this is all ultimately about revenge.
45:28
If we if he didn't figure it out, but.
45:30
Yeah, again, I don't think the movie leans enough into it, but
45:32
that's the through line. That's the character, at least
45:34
the book ending of the story. Is that his whole attitude, the
45:37
whole thing is revenge. I don't think the movie does a
45:40
good enough job to really solidify the I think they say it
45:44
a lot. I think we talked about this
45:45
last week too. They say things a lot like we're
45:47
the greatest man I ever knew, but there isn't a lot in between
45:50
to sort of solidify that. They never went out for chicken.
45:53
And that's kind of where I'm at with this, where she says, you
45:58
know, Bond, you'll have to get over it, but I don't.
46:01
See the advice. That's good advice.
46:02
It's not that he's wrestling with it, Yes.
46:04
So it feels more of an add on than a coherent kind of through
46:08
line of the story. Oh, are we on a tack on
46:11
situation? It feels a little tacked on now
46:13
where you but you're going to do that.
46:15
And if you remember the first time or even in this in this
46:17
other time, did you clock that revenge thing?
46:20
Because I don't I don't know that it's fully represented and
46:22
maybe it's just I missed it, but I think the movie doesn't set it
46:26
up throughout to say that. This is a followed thread.
46:29
It pains me to say this. Believe me, you're right.
46:32
You're right. I completely forgot about this
46:34
last five minutes. OK.
46:36
Like, Oh yeah, we're still dealing with that.
46:38
Sure. I forgot about the ex-boyfriend.
46:41
We have to tie it all up. I was going to go so but tie
46:43
makes it more sense to tie. I prefer to crochet, but having
46:48
said that I love the fact that the agent with this new guy with
46:51
the ex boyfriends Canadian. Canadian.
46:53
Yeah, love that. Yeah, and he turns out he's the
46:56
the bad guy. A bad guy.
46:58
He's got 2 necklaces. It seems he's a collector.
47:01
He does collect. He does collect necklaces.
47:03
It's a little neck lie. I think it's a plural for
47:05
necklaces. Neck lie.
47:07
It's a little trite to me that it's like, I've got one too.
47:09
And like, that's the book. That's good.
47:13
But yeah, this movie ends on a high note.
47:15
I don't. Think you need it and he doesn't
47:16
kill him which I thought. He was.
47:17
No, that really goes against the Daniel Craig, James Bond
47:20
character. So maybe he's growing.
47:22
Yeah, there's growth there. Absolutely.
47:24
He's getting closure. He's getting out of that mine
47:26
prison. That's right.
47:27
Which Olga's, you know. Great advice, Olga.
47:30
And I guess the Langley people, it's like the that American
47:32
story, I guess kind of wraps up the movie, ends in a way that
47:36
doesn't. That was satisfied.
47:38
But I do like the last line where M is sort of like, we need
47:42
you back or something like that. Of course, like, you're the one
47:44
that fired him like, 20 minutes ago.
47:45
So like, get over yourselves. Yeah.
47:47
But he says, you know, I never left and sort of walks away.
47:50
Cool. And that's a pretty cool lesson.
47:51
Yeah, he's just committed. Yeah, he's committed.
47:53
That's his only job. It's it's his identity.
47:56
Sure that everybody knows. Yeah.
47:58
So I thought All in all, I think the movie is not good.
48:02
Not good, not good. It's not terrible, it's not bad,
48:04
but it's really not good. And I felt like a real big dip
48:07
personally, from what I had experienced in the last movie,
48:11
what I thought, oh, I've been missing this thing because I
48:14
haven't watched any of them before.
48:15
I was afraid of that of of you being disappointed.
48:17
Like I don't really need to see anymore.
48:20
I'm I'm willing to as obviously with the podcast.
48:22
How did I feel after Halloween 2?
48:24
Similar, OK. I think, like I don't think you
48:27
were you were like, I'm good now and that's why I thought what
48:30
was clever and and you obviously didn't like the movie.
48:32
But us just from an idea point saying we've told that story.
48:37
We need to do something else because a third movie about Lori
48:41
in a hospital or not in a hospital, right, Like no one
48:43
needs to deal with that right now.
48:44
And I kind of feel about this. I don't care about Vesper.
48:47
I barely care about M because that's.
48:49
That's mean. Yeah, person.
48:50
No relationship there. They haven't expanded the
48:53
relationship with Felix. If he's like, I don't know what
48:56
the next one is, but everything I just saw in this movie doesn't
48:59
make it interesting to see what's next.
49:01
Well, I, you know, Phil, I don't know.
49:02
I might pause. I don't know, but I'm not going
49:05
to never know. You never know, you know, we'll
49:07
see because there's to do five straight is I have to take a
49:10
break at some point because if you had done all 5 of Halloween
49:13
at once, you wouldn't be here today.
49:16
You wouldn't be here today. So your final thoughts of, if I
49:18
can let let me guess, poor performances generally speaking
49:22
outside of Daniel Craig? Yeah, but I I thought he wasn't
49:25
very good either. Because of the script.
49:27
Just generally, I don't think that you just didn't have much
49:29
to do. OK.
49:30
I liked his dynamic in the last one.
49:32
I thought he had a little clever kind of glint in his eye.
49:35
There's a little humor in there. Did.
49:36
Keep his shirt on I believe. Sure.
49:38
I just, there was nothing about the character in this that felt
49:40
interesting and I thought there was more of interest in the last
49:43
one. OK, I just think the movie just
49:45
falls flat on everything it's trying to do and it doesn't open
49:48
any new doors after the last one.
49:50
But that's me. Where are you at with this one?
49:52
Having seen it now again. I'm disappointed.
49:55
I wish it was a better movie because it feels like it should
49:59
have been at least as good. I would say with Casino Royale,
50:02
you have shoes roughly the size, say 9 1/2, maybe 10.
50:08
All right, So you have shoes that are relatively big to fill
50:12
this shoe size of Quantum of Solace.
50:14
We're coming in at a, you know, size 7.
50:16
And a half. OK, unlike the IMDb score.
50:19
Yeah, more like A5 I guess. It's yeah, it did go down.
50:23
I didn't actually check it out. I didn't want to know.
50:26
But ultimately I'll stick with what I said in the beginning.
50:29
I think this actually is a pretty good movie if it's edited
50:32
differently. Wow, OK, it's putting a lot of
50:34
weight on the editing. I am, because if you can at
50:37
least get the action sequences to be engaging and entertaining,
50:42
and this is an action movie, if you've done that part right,
50:45
Yeah. Yeah, You can have a few flaws
50:46
here and there. Sure.
50:47
And the other. One going for those chases,
50:49
whatever, right? Yeah.
50:50
Yeah, but if you can't get that right, like like a scary movie,
50:53
if you can't get the the kills right.
50:55
There you go. Yeah.
50:56
It's good. You're going to fall flat and
50:57
this movie doesn't do anything else well, unfortunately.
51:00
But we'll probably step away and then move on to something.
51:03
But thanks for being a good sport.
51:05
It's my pleasure. It's one of the beauties of this
51:07
project is being able to see some movies that I've never I
51:09
would never have seen before. Yeah.
51:11
And sometimes it's a it's a win and other times it's obviously
51:14
not. But I like the opportunity.
51:16
Wonderful. Yeah.
51:18
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