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Murder In Moscow: Xana Kernodle's Family Seeks Answers In The Wake Of The Murders · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Zana's family,
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  Speaker 1: for the second time, are making up flyers and passing
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  Speaker 1: them out in the Moscow community in hopes that people
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  Speaker 1: will come forward with information about how these kids were murdered.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I wonder if a reward would help get
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  Speaker 1: some people coming forward who might not want to talk yet. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know the other counter argument to that is a
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  Speaker 1: reward will bring out more crazies, bring out more clowns.
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  Speaker 1: But really, with a circus as big as this one,
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  Speaker 1: how many more clowns can possibly show up? So I
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  Speaker 1: think offering a reward might motivate some people to get
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  Speaker 1: involved here that might otherwise stay quiet. Because if there
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  Speaker 1: is no motivation for some scumbag to come forward, and
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  Speaker 1: rat on their friend or their buddy or their associate, well,
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  Speaker 1: why would they? Especially considering if they're a criminal as well,
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  Speaker 1: the last thing they want to do is speak to
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement if there's no benefit for them. So I
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  Speaker 1: think our award here is a good idea, but obviously
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an FBI agent or an investigator. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: talking about it from a logical perspective. And we all
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  Speaker 1: know that money talks. If there's money on the table,
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  Speaker 1: people are going to be motivated to rat on their friends,
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  Speaker 1: rat on their associates, and try and put a couple
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  Speaker 1: of bucks in their pocket. And I hope beyond hope,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we see here. Because inevitably, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a tip. It's going to be a lead from
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  Speaker 1: somebody who leads the investigators to this killer. And handing
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  Speaker 1: out flyers like this, like Zana's family's doing, I think
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  Speaker 1: is a great idea. Don't let anyone forget. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: with all of the coverage, it's going to be very
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  Speaker 1: difficult for anyone to forget what happened here. But if
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  Speaker 1: I was a family member, I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: great way to go about it as well. Keep this
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  Speaker 1: story in the press, keep it on the front of
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  Speaker 1: everyone's mind, and keep working towards finding who's responsible here.
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  Speaker 1: Today's article is from Law and Crime. Headline, Family of
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  Speaker 1: Slain University of Idaho Student Mails Out Flyers Pleading for
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  Speaker 1: Tips in quadruple homicide. This article was authored by Annette Levy.
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  Speaker 1: The family of Zanna Kernodle, one of the four University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students killed in a violent quadruple homicide nearly
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  Speaker 1: six weeks ago, has mailed out 5,000 flyers to homes
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  Speaker 1: in and around the city of Moscow, pleading for people
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  Speaker 1: to come forward with any information or video that could
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  Speaker 1: help provide clues. And how awesome would it be if
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  Speaker 1: a print shop up in the local area, wherever they're living,
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  Speaker 1: would step forward and offer to do this on the cuff?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe get a fundraiser going and help them pay for
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  Speaker 1: more flyers, something like that. Because it's a good idea. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the more people who know, the more eyes on the situation,
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  Speaker 1: the better. This is the second time Kernodle's family has
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  Speaker 1: made flyers. The first batch was released one week after
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  Speaker 1: the murders, on November 20th. These posters were handed out
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  Speaker 1: door to door and posted around town, but mailing the
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  Speaker 1: new flyers is expected to reach more people where they live.
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  Speaker 1: And whatever it takes. Being Xana's family, if I were them,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be doing everything in my power too, to keep
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  Speaker 1: this story fresh, to keep people talking about it. And
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  Speaker 1: when they put these up the first time around, some
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  Speaker 1: clown had the audacity to go around and pull some
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  Speaker 1: of them down. So sending them directly to people's houses
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  Speaker 1: is a great idea. The killings of Kernodle, her boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, and Kernodle's roommates, Maddie Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: has left their families searching for answers and grieving the
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  Speaker 1: lives of four young people who were stabbed to death
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  Speaker 1: as they slept, In the early morning hours of November 13th.
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  Speaker 1: It's still surreal to even talk about. How is it
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  Speaker 1: that four college kids. Who are asleep in their beds.
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  Speaker 1: In a place like Moscow. Are brutally murdered. In those beds.
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  Speaker 1: By an unknown assailant. And roughly two months into it.
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  Speaker 1: We have no idea what's going on. Now flip the script.
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  Speaker 1: And look at how quick they caught the guy up
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  Speaker 1: in Stockton recently. Who was shooting homeless people. But yet
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  Speaker 1: here we are. Two months in and nothing cooking it
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  Speaker 1: looks like. The posters show photos of Kurnodal, Chapin, Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: and Gonsalves and include information about the tip line and
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  Speaker 1: how people can submit video and photo evidence to the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: 60 FBI agents and analysts have been assisting the Moscow
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  Speaker 1: police with the investigation along with Idaho State Police. So look,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of resources. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: beat that horse, but They have the resources available to
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  Speaker 1: them at this point. The question is, even with all
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  Speaker 1: of these resources, will it be enough? We think it's
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  Speaker 1: very important and we appreciate that support from the family,
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  Speaker 1: said Aaron Snell, public information officer for the Idaho State
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  Speaker 1: Police and spokesperson for Moscow Police in an interview with
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  Speaker 1: Law and Crime this week. Snell reiterated the family's plea
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  Speaker 1: that video and photo evidence be submitted for review by
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  Speaker 1: detectives and agents assigned to the case. They're adamant that
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  Speaker 1: there's video out there, there's some kind of evidence out
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  Speaker 1: there that's going to explain this away. And my gut
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  Speaker 1: feeling is, we still haven't heard the whole story about
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  Speaker 1: what went down at the frat house. And until we
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  Speaker 1: have some context there, and we have a better understanding
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  Speaker 1: about what happened, how long they were there, when they left...
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult to discern what really
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  Speaker 1: went down here. We want additional leads as well, Snell continued.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody that had looked at some of their past social
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  Speaker 1: media posts or past pictures and thinks something's out of
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  Speaker 1: the ordinary, something's odd, we want that information, Snell continued.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've been consistent in saying that. The activity
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  Speaker 1: that might have been done within those pictures or those
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  Speaker 1: videos that people may or may not want to submit
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  Speaker 1: to the police... That's not what we're interested in. We're
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  Speaker 1: interested in the context of the crime. That way we
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  Speaker 1: can piece together aspects of this case to get a
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  Speaker 1: better picture. So again, pleading for people to hand over video.
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  Speaker 1: And if you were drinking in that video, you might've
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  Speaker 1: been smoking a bone in that video, whatever. They're not
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  Speaker 1: looking to bust you for that. And I know people
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  Speaker 1: have a hard ass time believing the police when the
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  Speaker 1: police tell them they're not looking to bust them. And
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  Speaker 1: that's a whole different conversation we can have about the
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  Speaker 1: trust between law enforcement and the community. But when you
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  Speaker 1: have college kids who are worried about getting thrown out
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  Speaker 1: of school, maybe or facing criminal charges, if they hand
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  Speaker 1: over videos or pictures, of course, they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: hesitant to do that. Now, the police coming out and
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  Speaker 1: saying this, that's a good thing. Maybe it'll give some
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  Speaker 1: some of these kids some comfort to come forward. And
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  Speaker 1: I hope that's the case. But when you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trust with the community, this is the
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  Speaker 1: sort of roadblock that you run into. The homicide sent
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  Speaker 1: shockwaves through the city of Moscow and caused some University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students to either flee the campus or opt
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  Speaker 1: to finish the semester online. Snell said no suspects have
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  Speaker 1: been identified despite hundreds of interviews being conducted. Police are
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  Speaker 1: following leads through nearly 15,000 tips that have been submitted.
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  Speaker 1: Agents and investigators are also combing through thousands of pieces
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  Speaker 1: of video and other evidence submitted to police as they
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  Speaker 1: search for any clues that could lead to a break
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  Speaker 1: in the case. Some have raised concerns that the case
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  Speaker 1: is going cold. However, Moscow Police Chief James Fry has
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  Speaker 1: said that that is not the case. And I agree
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  Speaker 1: with that. I don't think this is going cold necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: nowhere near cold yet. This is still cooking, folks. Whenever
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  Speaker 1: you have this kind of evidence pouring in and you
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  Speaker 1: have these kinds of tips pouring in, that means the
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  Speaker 1: case is still active and ongoing. This case will be
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  Speaker 1: cold when the file is on a detective's desk and
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  Speaker 1: they shove that file under other files of murders that
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  Speaker 1: are coming in fresh. That's when it's cold. Veteran retired
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  Speaker 1: Houston police homicide detective Phil Waters took issue with claims
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  Speaker 1: the case is cold in an interview with Law and
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  Speaker 1: Crime's Sidebar podcast. There's a criteria which you name a
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  Speaker 1: cold case, Waters said. I think people are just using
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  Speaker 1: that terminology. A lot of the media uses that terminology
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  Speaker 1: because it sounds, you know, sophisticated. Waters investigated high-profile homicides
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  Speaker 1: for 33 years. He explained when and how a case
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  Speaker 1: is labeled cold. We had to have a case for
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  Speaker 1: three years and had to have had all active leads exhausted,
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  Speaker 1: where we've just hit the wall and there's nothing left
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  Speaker 1: that we can do, Waters said. I wish that would
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  Speaker 1: quit being thrown around out there because that's not a
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  Speaker 1: good thing for the families, Waters continued. They need to
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  Speaker 1: be more encouraged about what law enforcement is doing and
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  Speaker 1: what they're accomplishing at this point. And again, we're hoping
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  Speaker 1: and praying that they get a suspect. Well, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But there's some blame to be placed on the investigators
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  Speaker 1: here for not having that sort of open channel of
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  Speaker 1: respect and communication with the family, at least with the
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves family. Now, we know that the Chapin family has
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  Speaker 1: come out and they have a different take on it.
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  Speaker 1: But whenever you have any family of a victim that
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  Speaker 1: feels like they're not being treated with enough empathy or
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  Speaker 1: not given enough respect, that's a bad look for the
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  Speaker 1: investigators and it's something that needs to be addressed. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Snell said detectives have yet to identify a suspect or
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  Speaker 1: suspects in the case. He said the picture of what
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  Speaker 1: happened that night is becoming more clear through interviews and
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  Speaker 1: results from the crime lab, but he would not elaborate.
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  Speaker 1: Snell did say that police are sorting through registrations for
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  Speaker 1: nearly 22,000 white Hyundai Elantra vehicles between the years of
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  Speaker 1: 2011 and 2013. Police have said a car matching that
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  Speaker 1: description was in the immediate area of the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: at the night of the killings and that they are
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  Speaker 1: confident the person or people in the car that night
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  Speaker 1: have information about what happened. Snell would not say how
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  Speaker 1: close the vehicle was to the home on King Road,
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  Speaker 1: But another spokesperson told media last week the car was there.
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  Speaker 1: So if that's true and the car was there, as
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  Speaker 1: this source says, that increases the likelihood that the person
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  Speaker 1: or persons in that vehicle might have been involved, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. Earlier this week, Moscow police said they were
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  Speaker 1: looking at a white Elantra found with front end damage
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  Speaker 1: and no license plates on a street corner in Eugene, Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Police investigated and found the car was registered out of
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  Speaker 1: Colorado and ruled the female owner out of having any
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  Speaker 1: connection to the case. I can't even begin to imagine
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  Speaker 1: what Maddie's family is going through or Zanna's family or
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  Speaker 1: Ethan or Kaylee's family is going through. Imagine making these
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  Speaker 1: flyers up knowing that she's never coming home, that you're
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  Speaker 1: never going to see her again, and that there's some sick,
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  Speaker 1: disgusting animal that's going to enjoy their holiday this year
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  Speaker 1: while you and your family are grieving like never before.
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  Speaker 1: So I really hope beyond hope that the investigators are
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  Speaker 1: about their business and the confidence that they're displaying and
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  Speaker 1: that they're talking about really comes to fruition and that
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  Speaker 1: they all get a fantastic Christmas present by this piece
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  Speaker 1: of shit being arrested. All right, folks, that's going to
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