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Midday Missing - Larry Goodman · True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Happy Wine Wednesday, and welcome to this edition
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Speaker 2: Today is going to be a very special day. We
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Speaker 2: have a special guest with us in the studio today
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Speaker 2: Jim Goodman, who is the brother of Larry Goodman who
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Speaker 2: went missing in January of nineteen seventy nine, and he
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Speaker 2: is the author of the book Larry's Life Matters. So
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Speaker 2: very excited that he is able to join us to
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Speaker 2: tell us his experience about his brother going missing, how
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Speaker 2: has changed his life? What ready to write the book?
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Speaker 2: All of the ins and outs of that. So if
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Speaker 2: we are already, let's go ahead and bring Jim in.
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Speaker 3: Jim, how are you?
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Speaker 2: I'm good?
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Speaker 3: How are you today? Doing all right? Doing all right?
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Speaker 2: So I first want to say thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for taking time out of your day to talk with us.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's nerve wracking, but also kind of necessary
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Speaker 2: to get the word out there. So all I've told
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Speaker 2: our guest so far is that your brother went missing
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. Instead of me telling everybody the
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Speaker 2: story of his disappearance, I thought maybe you could tell
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Speaker 2: us what was going on in his life when he
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Speaker 2: went missing in January of seventy nine, based on what
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you for also having me on
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Speaker 3: here to get the word out a little bit more. So,
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Speaker 3: Larry went missing. He ran away once on December twenty
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Speaker 3: third of nineteen seventy eight and disappeared for about three weeks.
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Speaker 3: Came back just before his birthday on January eighteenth of
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Speaker 3: seventy nine, and he said that he went to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 3: This was from park Ridge, New Jersey, which is about
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Speaker 3: twenty miles north east or northwest of New York City.
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Speaker 3: And so he said go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, I was trying to visualize where that was.
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Speaker 2: I'm not good with north, south, east west. I'm a
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Speaker 2: left and right kind of girl.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, Pittsburgh is about three hours four hours
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Speaker 3: left or west of park Ridge, New Jersey, well, depending
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Speaker 3: upon of course, the speed limit back then was only
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Speaker 3: fifty five still okay, so it was a little slower.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, though, Larry said that's where he went. And
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Speaker 3: he said that he stayed in a Greyhound bus station
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Speaker 3: and was cleaning buses and well living in one of
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Speaker 3: the buses also, and he came back and I wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of this information from my other
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Speaker 3: brother Don secondhand. But so Don told me also that
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Speaker 3: Larry Larry. So he came back several days but for
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Speaker 3: his before his birthday, and it was in the local
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Speaker 3: newspapers and everything, and but so then he disappeared again
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Speaker 3: the day after his birthday. And for the longest time,
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Speaker 3: and including when I wrote the book, I thought that
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Speaker 3: he said he was going to the super Bowl, but
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Speaker 3: because Pittsburgh Steelers were playing Miami playing Dallas in the
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl in Miami that year, and but I guess
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Speaker 3: I found out recently that it was just assumed that
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Speaker 3: he went he became a Steeler fan when he went
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Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh, assumedly and he that was the story that
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Speaker 3: I thought for forty five years. But my brother Don
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Speaker 3: told me that, no, it wasn't. He wasn't definitely saying
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Speaker 3: he went to his going to the Super Bowl. But
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Speaker 3: he was witnessed leaving with a backpack. My mother said
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Speaker 3: something to him. He was living with my mother at
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Speaker 3: the time, and my mother asked him when he would
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Speaker 3: be back, and he said, oh, soon, And that was
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Speaker 3: the last time anybody saw him that we know of.
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Speaker 2: So and he was sixteen. He had just turned to.
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Speaker 3: Rich I'm sorry, Yes, he was sixteen at the time, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: So he left when he was fifteen, came back just
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Speaker 3: before his sixteenth birthday, right.
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Speaker 2: When he left the previous time. Did he ever say
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Speaker 2: why he left?
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Speaker 3: No, But our family had had some, you know, troubles
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Speaker 3: going on, my mother and my mom and dad had
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Speaker 3: split up, and he was living with my mom. And
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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure it wasn't. It wasn't
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Speaker 3: necessarily the best sit living situation that they had, and
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Speaker 3: my dad was not was still giving him money and
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Speaker 3: everything to live on, but I don't think that they
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Speaker 3: had a really nice apartment. And I was on the
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Speaker 3: outs with my mom, so I wasn't able to talk
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Speaker 3: to Larry. If I tried to call he went, he
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Speaker 3: wouldn't let me talk to him, and she didn't want
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Speaker 3: to talk to me either, sou But that's another story
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Speaker 3: for the book.
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Speaker 2: So well, speaking of that, can you share with us
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Speaker 2: all about the personal journey or kind of the inspiration
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Speaker 2: behind Larry's life matters? Because I find it very interesting
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Speaker 2: because it revolves around your brother who went missing, right right?
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Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, you know, I was kind of a
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Speaker 3: hippie in nineteen seventy nine, and like I said, I
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Speaker 3: was two thousand miles away when Larry left, and it
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Speaker 3: didn't affect me as much as it did the rest
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Speaker 3: of my family. But a couple of years later it
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Speaker 3: started to and my mother. My mother actually called me
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Speaker 3: and thought that maybe I was hiding Larry in New Mexico.
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Speaker 3: She thought that maybe he'd come out here, and that
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Speaker 3: conversation didn't go well, and but she had her problems
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Speaker 3: and she passed away in nineteen eighty two. And you know,
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Speaker 3: after that, well, I think around that time when after
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Speaker 3: my mother called me, I started having a little bit
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Speaker 3: of guilt issues like I was the oldest son, the
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Speaker 3: oldest brother, and I should have been watching over things
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Speaker 3: a little bit better. But like I said, we had
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Speaker 3: a lot of family issues going on, and I thought
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Speaker 3: it was best for me to go out west. I didn't, really,
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Speaker 3: to tell you the truth, the New York City area,
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Speaker 3: the suburbs even didn't really fit me that well. And
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Speaker 3: you know, so New Mexico. I came here to do
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Speaker 3: just speak a lick of Spanish, and then people were
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Speaker 3: they were taking me to the parties where people were
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Speaker 3: talking English, and I felt more at home here than
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Speaker 3: I ever did in New Jersey or New York State.
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Speaker 3: I grew up in Long Island mostly so anyway, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: so but I did. I told my brother Don, and
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Speaker 3: he still can't believe it that I think about Larry
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Speaker 3: every day, whether it's for just thirty seconds or five minutes,
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Speaker 3: I think about him every day, and I I guess
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Speaker 3: I still have a little bit of guilt and feel
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Speaker 3: like I should have been taking care of the situation
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Speaker 3: a little better. No matter what my mom and I
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Speaker 3: had we're going through. But that's the way things go.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was twenty years.
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Speaker 2: Old, so let's tox say life. You know, we just
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Speaker 2: do the best we can at right at the time. Now,
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Speaker 2: what challenges did you have with taking this real life
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Speaker 2: situation in translating such a personal thing into I don't
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Speaker 2: know if we want to call it a fictional semi
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Speaker 2: fictional story, because I know it's based on truth, but
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Speaker 2: it also goes into a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: No, definitely a lot a lot more than Yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: definitely I tried to call it historical fiction. A cousin
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Speaker 3: of mine called it magical realism, which I wasn't really
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Speaker 3: familiar with that with that kind of that category, but
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Speaker 3: that's what she called it. Because it is very fictional
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Speaker 3: at times, and it is extremely factual where it needs
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Speaker 3: to be, or at least factual in my eyes some
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Speaker 3: of it. You know, I have a lot of flashbacks
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Speaker 3: to when I was younger. So what I did in
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Speaker 3: the book was try to bring Larry back to life
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine, ten years after he disappeared, and
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Speaker 3: tried to bring everybody back. Of course, my mom was
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Speaker 3: already passed, but I tried to bring him back into
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Speaker 3: my father's life. And my brother's life, my other brother Don,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, there was a lot of challenges,
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Speaker 3: to say the least. But my brother Don, really he
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Speaker 3: was the one who helped me navigate the facts of
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Speaker 3: the case, you know, and if it wasn't for him,
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have much going and you know, as far
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Speaker 3: as the facts of the case, because other than when
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Speaker 3: he was I left when he was thirteen, I didn't
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Speaker 3: even see him when he was fifteen or sixteen, so
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Speaker 3: it was difficult getting it all secondhand. And of course
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Speaker 3: I wasn't talking to my mother. My father hired a
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Speaker 3: detective and I tried to help out as much as
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Speaker 3: I can with that. But like I said, I was
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a hippie, so I didn't have
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Speaker 3: much to give him, but I did give him some.
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Speaker 3: But sow anyway, that's.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, daring learning about this. Is foul play suspected?
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Speaker 2: Or do they think he just went off on his own?
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of different theories. At first, Don thought,
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Speaker 3: and I think he still thinks that Larry may have
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Speaker 3: off himself. Jumped off of a George Washington Bridge, a
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Speaker 3: pretty big bridge over the Hudson River there, going from
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Speaker 3: New Jersey to Manhattan. So I think Don probably still
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Speaker 3: thinks that, but he may have a little bit more
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Speaker 3: doubt in his mind about that. But I think we
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Speaker 3: both think by now that he's gone and we just
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Speaker 3: would like to find I would, especially me, I would
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Speaker 3: like to find his remains. Don has long since resolved
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Speaker 3: that he's you know, I never had a family or anything,
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Speaker 3: so I never had kids and never got married or anything.
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Speaker 3: So I Don's haid just like a whole different life
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Speaker 3: than me, you know. So I come home at night
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Speaker 3: and I would think about Larry almost every night, you know,
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Speaker 3: sometimes in my dreams and everything.
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Speaker 2: So has there been any sightings of him since that
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Speaker 2: day or any rumored sightings?
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Speaker 3: No, well, a lot of rumored sidings. It was actually
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Speaker 3: kind of funny because somebody, somebody that I that I
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Speaker 3: know in New Mexico, she had told me that, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a guy that goes to my church that looks
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Speaker 3: a lot like him. And I actually and I'm not
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Speaker 3: a church going guy, but I said, okay, well I'm
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Speaker 3: going to come and I'm going to come to your church.
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Speaker 3: And and she said, because there's two services, he said,
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Speaker 3: he so shows up for the second service, and uh
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Speaker 3: that I and I went to go see and uh,
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Speaker 3: he didn't actually show up that day. But then I asked,
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that were that go
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Speaker 3: to that church, and I asked him and I and
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Speaker 3: I showed him the picture and they said, no, that
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Speaker 3: doesn't really look like anybody that comes here. But you know,
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Speaker 3: but they were just trying to help. And I try
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Speaker 3: to follow up on anything that people people tell me,
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Speaker 3: you know. So but other than that, as far as sightings, no,
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Speaker 3: that's about all.
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Speaker 2: Did he leave anything behind a note? I mean you
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Speaker 2: said he told your mom soon.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry I lost you for a second there.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I said, did he leave a note or.
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Speaker 3: Still having behind if you you were asking if Lowry
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Speaker 3: left anything behind? Yes, No, as far as I know,
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Speaker 3: he didn't. I mean other than furniture, you know. Okay,
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Speaker 3: So basically what happened with my brother, My other brother,
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Speaker 3: Don said he went to their house once and it
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Speaker 3: was a one bedroom apartment, so they were basically in
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Speaker 3: the same bedroom, but sleeping in separate beds and then
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Speaker 3: with a with a big desk in between to split
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Speaker 3: the room up. So he took everything. I think, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe he left behind pens and paper
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Speaker 3: or stuff like that. But my there was a diary
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Speaker 3: at one time too, and also, oh, a football a
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Speaker 3: football program because he played football, which my parents would
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Speaker 3: never let me play football, but they let him play book.
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Speaker 3: But he actually played with Tony with James Gandolphini in
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Speaker 3: high school Tony Tony soprano when he was he was
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Speaker 3: a senior. James Gandelfhini was when my brother was a freshman.
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Speaker 3: So he still had that broch that that brochure and
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Speaker 3: it never it never got lost until I got it
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Speaker 3: in my house and it's it's in my house somewhere,
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Speaker 3: but who knows where. Now? Yeah, well, how do you.
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Speaker 2: Think writing the book about your brother's disappearance helped you
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Speaker 2: kind of process and work through your emotions?
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I lost you again. How do I think
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Speaker 3: writing the book did.
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Speaker 2: What help you process your emotions or deal with your
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Speaker 2: brother's disappearance?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well it was. It was
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Speaker 3: a very emotional emotional experience, you know. So I got
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Speaker 3: into writing the book a little bit and I felt
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Speaker 3: like Larry was actually watching over my shoulder. I really,
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Speaker 3: I really did. And uh and then of course I
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Speaker 3: Don and I. My other brother, Don and I had talked,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe we used to talk maybe once a
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Speaker 3: month or so before that, and I was calling him
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Speaker 3: two or three times a week, and we we got
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Speaker 3: we bonded a lot better. And I could tell you
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Speaker 3: one story that would probably tell you how well we bonded. Uh.
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Speaker 3: We were never and I love you family growing up,
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Speaker 3: you know, we just weren't like that. Or I don't
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Speaker 3: remember or anybody saying it to anybody in our family.
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Speaker 3: But Don one time when I was on the phone
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Speaker 3: with him and he was just about to hang up,
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Speaker 3: and he said, I love you, Jim, And I was like,
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Speaker 3: what are you kidding me? What what did you just say?
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Speaker 3: And but I said, you know what, Don, I love
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Speaker 3: you too. And I couldn't believe that either one of
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Speaker 3: us ever said that. But that was the first time
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Speaker 3: we ever did in our whole lives. And we were
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Speaker 3: both over sixty, so or Don was fifty nine. Excuse me,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, but well that was it was a very
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Speaker 3: emotional go ahead, I said.
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Speaker 2: So it brought y'all closer by writing the book.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely brought us closer, you know. And then
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Speaker 3: of course I got closer to Larry too, And when
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Speaker 3: I got towards the end of the book, I was like,
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Speaker 3: I have to write a sequel, or at least I
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Speaker 3: don't know how I can end this, because if I
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Speaker 3: end this, then Larry's not in my life anymore, you know,
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Speaker 3: excuse me, but yeah, so you know, it was very
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Speaker 3: difficult to end. And then I did plan on writing
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Speaker 3: a sequel, but that I ended up not doing that
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Speaker 3: because it was it was a very emotionally charged experience
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Speaker 3: and I went up and down a couple of times
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Speaker 3: during it. And I used a lot of real people's
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Speaker 3: names in it too, which you know, made to me,
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Speaker 3: made it more factual.
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Speaker 2: Right, It definitely doesn't mean some more personal because I've
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Speaker 2: I've started reading the book and I'm still reading it. Right,
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Speaker 2: life's been crazy, so I haven't finished reading it. What
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Speaker 2: do you think you learned about Larry while writing the
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Speaker 2: book that maybe you didn't know about him? Was there
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Speaker 2: anything about his personality or his life that you learned
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Speaker 2: about him?
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Speaker 3: Well, and I've even learned more since then. But to me,
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Speaker 3: I always thought Larry was a boy scout, and I
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Speaker 3: really thought that, you know, he got caught up in
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Speaker 3: something and ended up, you know, going to Pittsburgh. And
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Speaker 3: I know that my mother was not the easiest person
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Speaker 3: to live with for him either, I don't think, not definitely,
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Speaker 3: not for me. But I actually when I lived with her,
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Speaker 3: I was fine. I had problems with her after I
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Speaker 3: moved out because I was trying to come and visit
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Speaker 3: and but anyway, that's all in the book too. But
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Speaker 3: but yeah, so I I know she wasn't the easiest
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Speaker 3: person to live with. I don't think for him either,
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Speaker 3: and the whole situation wasn't great, and so I thought
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Speaker 3: that's what drove him to go to Pittsburgh. But then I,
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Speaker 3: of course, I learned a little later about the diary,
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Speaker 3: and the diary, you know, let a little bit talked
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Speaker 3: a little bit about drugs and things like that, so
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Speaker 3: I you know, there was a little bit of that
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Speaker 3: in there too, but you know, everybody did a little
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Speaker 3: bit of marijuana back in those days. But he also
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Speaker 3: did a little bit of llucinogenics too, that was in
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Speaker 3: the diary. And he did talk a little bit about
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Speaker 3: suicide in the diary, but not a lot. So I
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Speaker 3: never thought that suicide. But I didn't know him as
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Speaker 3: well as my brother don did either that at the time.
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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, he was thirteen when I left.
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Speaker 2: So you know, now when he missing, did the police
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Speaker 2: do a search or anything for him, or did they
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Speaker 2: CLASSIFYI as a runaway?
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Speaker 3: No, well they classified they did do a search of
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Speaker 3: a sort. I mean, I don't know how much they
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Speaker 3: actually did, you know, Like it was in our little
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Speaker 3: weekly paper that we had, a little community paper. There
19:41
Speaker 3: was a couple of articles written but when he came
19:44
Speaker 3: so there was articles written when he first left, and
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Speaker 3: another one a couple of weeks later when he hadn't
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Speaker 3: come back, but then a week after he came back,
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Speaker 3: and but nobody the second time he took off, everybody
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Speaker 3: thought he was a runaway. I'm sure there was no
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Speaker 3: I don't think there was any kind of search at
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Speaker 3: that point. I think the first time there might have been,
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Speaker 3: but not the second time.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, especially so quickly after. Have you given any
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Speaker 2: thoughts to why he left, came back and then left again.
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Speaker 3: Well, the only motive I could possibly see is that
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Speaker 3: he would get birthday presents. You know, he left again
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Speaker 3: the day after his birthday. Okay, I think it might
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Speaker 3: have might have had some sort of motivation that way. Well,
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Speaker 3: you know, I didn't go ahead, sorry, but I.
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Speaker 2: Said, we all like birthday presents, right.
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Speaker 3: Right, right right. And I did find out later on
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Speaker 3: too that he had become a little bit more uh
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Speaker 3: more about uh fin finance, finance and stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: He did collect pennies when he was a kid, but
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Speaker 3: it wasn't about pennies when he got older, you know.
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Speaker 3: So he actually did take some of my brother's things
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Speaker 3: and sell them at some point, or attempt to sell them.
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Speaker 3: And that was something I found out much later too,
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Speaker 3: you know, which you know, like I said, he was
21:18
Speaker 3: just an angelic kid when I know, he was kind
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Speaker 3: of a loaner, and I think he was still sort
21:23
Speaker 3: of a loaner even then. But but yeah, he attempted
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Speaker 3: to sell some of the things that my brother had,
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Speaker 3: and I was, you know, it made me realize that
21:35
Speaker 3: I really didn't know him that well anymore. I knew
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Speaker 3: him a lot better when he was when he was
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Speaker 3: a kid, you know.
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Speaker 2: So it sounds like he was going.
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Speaker 3: And there was seven years difference that yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: Said, it sounds like he was going through some things too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely definitely right.
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Speaker 2: Now, what do you hope this book accomplishes for you.
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Speaker 3: Well, it was cathartic in helping me to you know.
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Speaker 3: Of course it made my relationship with my other brother
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Speaker 3: Don a lot better. But you know, the idea of
22:13
Speaker 3: the book was really and that wasn't my idea going
22:15
Speaker 3: in though. That was just a side fringe benefit, I guess,
22:19
Speaker 3: but I really just wanted to increase awareness, and it
22:24
Speaker 3: was gonna be it was going to be my last
22:26
Speaker 3: stitch effort to find Larry or find out what happened
22:31
Speaker 3: in some way, you know. Unfortunately, you know, with our name,
22:34
Speaker 3: you know, I just tried to go through Facebook, but
22:36
Speaker 3: our last name is so common that there's a million
22:40
Speaker 3: Larry and Lawrence Goodman's, you know. So I tried to
22:44
Speaker 3: track down a few of them, and but I looked
22:48
Speaker 3: at pictures of him anyway, and you know, I couldn't.
22:51
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure anything that was that made it look
22:54
Speaker 3: like him. So, you know, probably if he was still
23:00
Speaker 3: go ahead, oh.
23:01
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I was gonna say, didn't you or your
23:03
Speaker 2: brother do DNA so that it's out there so that yes,
23:08
Speaker 2: he can be identified if he's found, Okay.
23:12
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, Yeah, So when I that was a
23:15
Speaker 3: part of the of the process of the book too.
23:18
Speaker 3: When I first started, my brother Don and I did
23:21
Speaker 3: DNA through the New Jersey State Police and uh and
23:27
Speaker 3: nothing came of it, but they did do an investigation
23:30
Speaker 3: of sorts, you know, and uh but they they told
23:34
Speaker 3: me not not to get my hopes up high. But
23:37
Speaker 3: they did tell me a story about somebody that was
23:39
Speaker 3: found in a in a you know, a potter's field,
23:44
Speaker 3: you know, buried in the potter's field, that they ended
23:46
Speaker 3: up being a liable to identify the person, but they weren't.
23:50
Speaker 3: They didn't have the financing to actually bring back all
23:52
Speaker 3: the remains so to the family. But still just to
23:56
Speaker 3: identify him would have been something or still would.
24:01
Speaker 2: Right, So y'all truly are holding out hope that you
24:04
Speaker 2: can at least find his remains.
24:08
Speaker 3: Right right now. I've had I've had, you know, different
24:13
Speaker 3: people tell me different things, but uh yeah, and of
24:15
Speaker 3: course I did. I did do ancestry dot Com as well,
24:20
Speaker 3: and uh uh one too, one two three what is
24:25
Speaker 3: it called I forget now but twenty three and me
24:28
Speaker 3: it ends in one two three. But anyway, I did
24:29
Speaker 3: a couple that I.
24:31
Speaker 2: Said, oh, I don't know that one twenty three and me.
24:33
Speaker 3: The other DNA company. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyway,
24:38
Speaker 3: my DNA is out there, and uh I've had some
24:42
Speaker 3: people help me out and uh got beyond nay miss Also, uh,
24:47
Speaker 3: I don't let your listeners probably know what that is, right,
24:51
Speaker 3: missing persons. Yeah yeah, so would I do want to
24:55
Speaker 3: shout out to Adrian. I'm sorry to go ahead.
24:58
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask real quick, how do you think
25:00
Speaker 2: his disappearance has maybe changed your life or affected you?
25:06
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, you know, I, like I said, I still
25:11
Speaker 3: think about him every day, and I wish I could
25:15
Speaker 3: have been more on top of things back then. But
25:18
Speaker 3: you know, like like you said, you only do what
25:21
Speaker 3: you can. That's it, you know. And uh but you know, well,
25:29
Speaker 3: at least Don and I are closer now, even if
25:32
Speaker 3: not geographically we are, we are we are a lot closer,
25:36
Speaker 3: you know, emotionally for sure. And I would say that
25:40
Speaker 3: we're friends, like we never really were. We were always brothers,
25:43
Speaker 3: but we were never really friends. And I would say
25:45
Speaker 3: we're friends now. So that's a that's a big thing
25:50
Speaker 3: right there, and it.
25:52
Speaker 2: That's great, I mean, I said, that's great.
25:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:54
Speaker 2: A lot of times these kind of things break a
25:56
Speaker 2: family apart. It's nice to hear that it brought a
26:00
Speaker 2: family closer in some ways.
26:02
Speaker 3: Right right, And it also you know, you know, I
26:08
Speaker 3: was trying to get close to almost admitting I was
26:12
Speaker 3: wrong with my mother, and I never did before she
26:15
Speaker 3: passed away. And then I thought, well, you know, it
26:18
Speaker 3: really was her fault. And I went for many years,
26:21
Speaker 3: but then I realized how great of a childhood we
26:24
Speaker 3: really had. I used to think we didn't have a
26:26
Speaker 3: great childhood, but I really feel like we had a
26:29
Speaker 3: fantastic childhood. And I owe a lot of that to
26:32
Speaker 3: my mother, of course, and my dad too, And so
26:37
Speaker 3: I don't harbor any ill will anymore. And a lot
26:39
Speaker 3: of that had to do with the book. The more
26:41
Speaker 3: I wrote about it, the more I realized that harboring
26:44
Speaker 3: ill will forty especially forty years later now it would
26:48
Speaker 3: be just ridiculous.
26:49
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, well, I know when you and
26:52
Speaker 2: I talked on the phone the other day, we talked
26:54
Speaker 2: about people who have jumped in and helped you and
26:59
Speaker 2: given their time to do this. Tell us what that
27:04
Speaker 2: experience has been like.
27:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I started a Facebook page, you know,
27:12
Speaker 3: years ago when I did the book, and the book
27:16
Speaker 3: actually came out in twenty sixteen for anybody that doesn't
27:19
Speaker 3: know that. And so I started a Facebook page and
27:22
Speaker 3: there was a lot of and I actually found some
27:25
Speaker 3: of Larry's friends. But see, he moved from a place
27:28
Speaker 3: called Hillsdale to park Ridge when they were in middle school.
27:32
Speaker 3: They went to an apartment instead of the house that
27:34
Speaker 3: we had, so all the friends, I never found anybody
27:38
Speaker 3: from park Ridge that was that that actually stepped forward.
27:41
Speaker 3: And I looked on a few different classmates, dot com
27:45
Speaker 3: and things like that. Never could get anybody. I tried
27:48
Speaker 3: to email people, never could get anybody to respond to me.
27:51
Speaker 3: But I did find some people that went to middle
27:53
Speaker 3: school and elementary school with him, and some of them
27:56
Speaker 3: still follow me. I can't, I can't believe it. But
27:59
Speaker 3: that's a real connection too that I made through the
28:02
Speaker 3: book and through my Facebook page, and some of them
28:05
Speaker 3: still have become my friends. And I didn't know any
28:08
Speaker 3: of them when I was younger. You know, it was,
28:11
Speaker 3: it was, It's been an amazing story. And one of
28:13
Speaker 3: them said she actually saw him in park Ridge, but
28:17
Speaker 3: she never she didn't really. She waved to him. They
28:20
Speaker 3: were at as some kind of a church, a porus
28:23
Speaker 3: thing or choir thing or something like that and he
28:27
Speaker 3: was there and she waved to him from across the room,
28:30
Speaker 3: but she had never seen him other other than that,
28:32
Speaker 3: nobody ever said anything about park Ridge other than my brother,
28:36
Speaker 3: you know, right. But yeah, but anyway, though, oh well, okay,
28:42
Speaker 3: go ahead. Sorry, I was.
28:43
Speaker 2: Gonna say, I think you were going to shout out
28:45
Speaker 2: to somebody I think who's helped you. So I wanted
28:47
Speaker 2: to give you a chance to do that.
28:48
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and I did a shout out on
28:51
Speaker 3: my Facebook page to Adriana Hana, which is who has
28:54
Speaker 3: really reached out to a lot of people. He's just amazing.
28:58
Speaker 3: I mean, I just can't believe that she's twenty five
29:01
Speaker 3: years old and single mom and she she runs I
29:05
Speaker 3: think she runs a small business out of her house.
29:07
Speaker 3: But still she's always on the go, and but she's
29:11
Speaker 3: always find time for me and not just me, but
29:13
Speaker 3: other people with missing people with missing people and their family,
29:18
Speaker 3: you know. So but I locked and I did ignore
29:20
Speaker 3: though Barbara Rose Rotella, who was doing an interactive map,
29:25
Speaker 3: I think that was not very long after I did
29:27
Speaker 3: the book, and she did a lot of work on
29:30
Speaker 3: my case. She also did an age progression thing, which
29:35
Speaker 3: was just amazing. My youngest brother, Larry, would have looked
29:39
Speaker 3: like my dad with one of the I mean, he
29:41
Speaker 3: would have been an actual twin of my dad if
29:44
Speaker 3: he would have grown a beard in when he was
29:46
Speaker 3: if he was still alive now, you know, if he
29:48
Speaker 3: was sixty or sixty one now, So yeah, I mean
29:51
Speaker 3: it was Yeah. She did a lot of work on
29:54
Speaker 3: it too, and I I but it was great. So
29:59
Speaker 3: just knowing the people was amazing. And actually she I
30:02
Speaker 3: went to New Jersey on a fun trip, but I
30:05
Speaker 3: made a couple I made some time to go research
30:08
Speaker 3: for the book too, and I never could find any
30:11
Speaker 3: of the newspaper articles. He was the one who found him,
30:15
Speaker 3: So I was very surprised that how did you find those?
30:18
Speaker 3: I poured through that I was there for a whole
30:21
Speaker 3: day in the big library, never could find them. But
30:25
Speaker 3: she's obviously got better smarts than me in that situation.
30:29
Speaker 2: So well, I'm glad because there are so many people
30:35
Speaker 2: out there that they don't get anybody interested in their
30:39
Speaker 2: missing person cases. So I think it's great that you
30:42
Speaker 2: have found a community. I believe Adrian is the one
30:45
Speaker 2: who reached out to me as well, and how I
30:47
Speaker 2: learned about your brother, so I appreciate her doing that
30:52
Speaker 2: as well. And before we wrap up, is there anything
30:58
Speaker 2: that you want our audience know about Larry before we
31:03
Speaker 2: say goodbye?
31:06
Speaker 3: Well, I mean for the people that don't look at
31:09
Speaker 3: the book, I mean, basic description would have been, you know,
31:14
Speaker 3: six ft about six foot one, and he was you know,
31:19
Speaker 3: had had brown hair at the time. Of course, if
31:23
Speaker 3: he was still alive now he would probably have gray hair.
31:25
Speaker 3: But like me, he probably shrank a little bit too.
31:28
Speaker 3: So but but and he was about one hundred and
31:32
Speaker 3: eighty pounds also when he left. And but he loved
31:36
Speaker 3: when he was a kid, he loved collecting pennies and
31:40
Speaker 3: also World War two was a big thing. So you know,
31:44
Speaker 3: that might be a hint in finding him if he
31:46
Speaker 3: was still if he was still around anywhere. I guess
31:49
Speaker 3: that's all that I would like to do with this
31:51
Speaker 3: is try to again get it, get things out there
31:54
Speaker 3: about what he was. But he could also if anybody's
31:57
Speaker 3: if everybody has Facebook, then they could go to my
31:59
Speaker 3: face book page and a lot of that information is
32:02
Speaker 3: on there too, And it's just called Larry's Life Matters,
32:05
Speaker 3: which is the same name as the book. And but
32:09
Speaker 3: that's that's pretty much I guess everything that I'd like
32:13
Speaker 3: to have out there today, it's yeah, I appreciate being on.
32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I appreciate you taking the time to talk.
32:22
Speaker 2: Hopefully everybody who sees this will go out there, follow
32:26
Speaker 2: the page, share the information. We have technology that wasn't
32:30
Speaker 2: there in nineteen seventy nine, so sure you never know,
32:34
Speaker 2: people share it and get it out there. I still
32:38
Speaker 2: believe in miracles, and if he is alive, I think
32:41
Speaker 2: one way to find him will be people sharing it
32:45
Speaker 2: and getting the word out there. So I truly want
32:48
Speaker 2: to thank you for joining us today.
32:51
Speaker 3: Right, well, thank you again so much, and it was
32:54
Speaker 3: a great experience to meet you as well and to talk.
32:57
Speaker 3: And I hope things go from here for you and
33:01
Speaker 3: know that this is a new experience for you as well,
33:03
Speaker 3: so I hope things keep going well.
33:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you very much. Like I said, I
33:10
Speaker 2: do appreciate you being here today.
33:13
Speaker 3: All right, well, have a great day.
33:16
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33:22
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33:25
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