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Football at Four: A Look at the Latest With Eagles Free Agency Situation · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Now live, this is Football at four.
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Speaker 2: My expectation is that he wants to be here. We
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Speaker 2: want him here. And man again.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, you know how, we said this in
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Speaker 3: an interview not too long ago.
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's hard to get good players.
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Speaker 3: We want as many good players as we possibly can
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Speaker 3: have on the team, especially a guy who was a
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Speaker 3: teammate and a person like Aja.
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Speaker 4: That was Nick Sirianni last NFL Network attempting to clarify
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Speaker 4: previous comments. Remember he couldn't guarantee anyone's future, when now
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Speaker 4: he says, well, it's not I ain't guaranteeing. Is that
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Speaker 4: we love to have him back. You want him here.
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Speaker 4: The Eagles continue to speak at NFL Calm by a
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Speaker 4: week to get more into the aftermath of Nick Sirianni
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Speaker 4: speaking what a concept?
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Speaker 5: Right, we got to react? Do we even have to react? Well?
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Speaker 4: Ast Jeff Mosher he joins us for Football at four,
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Speaker 4: power by the Inside the Birds podcast, Insidebirds dot Com
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Speaker 4: and Philly Voice. Jeff Mosher joins us now on ninety
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Speaker 4: seven to three ESPO and Jeff only in Philadelphia. Right,
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Speaker 4: do we have somebody make one comment and then need
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Speaker 4: to go and clarify said comment, how you doing that?
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Speaker 3: Seems to be happening with all the Philadelphia teams, right,
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Speaker 3: whether it's a reporter or whether a coach.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been going on.
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Speaker 4: But it is interesting that, you know, and by the way,
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Speaker 4: that that's your buddy Garifala who had to sit down
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Speaker 4: with Sirianni last night on NFL Network and he's here
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Speaker 4: basket and he's like, look, would you would you like
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Speaker 4: to clarify this? And Sirianni is like, yeah, I'll clarify,
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Speaker 4: you know, but it was an interesting point that Sirianni
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Speaker 4: basically seeing what Adam Scheffer called the obvious Jeff motion
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Speaker 4: that like, you know, no one's future is guaranteed, turned
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Speaker 4: into look as Sirianni said about his job at A G. Brown,
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Speaker 4: and it's like, now you have these guys having to
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Speaker 4: come full circle and clarify that no one was saying
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Speaker 4: that Sirianni's on the hot seat. No one was saying
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Speaker 4: that AJ Brown is going tomorrow. Like it is pretty
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Speaker 4: impressive that, you know, one innocuous comment got turned into
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Speaker 4: a firestorm.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So just so that I'm caught up, Josh, because
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Speaker 3: you know, they do a lot Philly voice.
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Speaker 2: Where it's just not egle stuff.
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Speaker 3: Is there something Nick Sirianni said that's making the rounds
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Speaker 3: besides the fact that Aj Brown, I think that you know,
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Speaker 3: you always want to have good players. Was there some
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Speaker 3: self incriminating line that I might have missed?
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Speaker 4: So there was the article that came from Tim mcmannus
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Speaker 4: the morning of how we and Nick speaking, and then
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Speaker 4: Jeff McClain did the follow up on his stuff, basically
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Speaker 4: taking that I can't guarantee quote and basically it was amplified.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're talking about now, just making
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Speaker 3: sure nothing in the last twenty minutes.
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Speaker 2: So let's yeah, let's circle it back to AJ Brown.
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Speaker 3: Okay, the personnel chief, Howie Roseman, and the head coach,
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Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni are now speaking in lockstep, right, They're now
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Speaker 3: almost You have a situation where Nick is parroting Howie
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Speaker 3: because how he gets the questions first, and he is
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Speaker 3: the face of the franchise in terms of building the roster.
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Speaker 3: Of course, my position and experience. So when you have
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Speaker 3: a situation where Howie's words are carefully cultivated, right, and
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Speaker 3: Nick starts to parrot it, well, I think to me
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Speaker 3: that that speaks to the obviousness of the situation, which
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Speaker 3: is that, yes, there's a a If there's a good
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Speaker 3: offer for a J. Brown, the team will trade him
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Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons that we've kind of beaten
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Speaker 3: to death over the last two weeks. But just take
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Speaker 3: out the name AJ Brown and insert like Jalen Hurts
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Speaker 3: or Jalen Carter right and see if you'd get the
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Speaker 3: same response.
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, we're trying to keep as many good players
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Speaker 2: as we have. It's hard to find good players.
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Speaker 3: No, if somebody said, hey, are you traded one of
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Speaker 3: those two guys right now, they'd be like no, they
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Speaker 3: would be definitive, and it would almost be met with
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Speaker 3: a little bit of like a look like why would
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Speaker 3: you even ask that?
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Speaker 2: So the Eagles are doing the.
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Speaker 3: Right thing, by the way, they're being very diplomatic about it.
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Speaker 3: They're making it sound as if, hey, it's hard to
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Speaker 3: get good players when we want AJ and the new
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator you know, has got them in the plants. Sure, sure,
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Speaker 3: because there's always the chance that he could come back.
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Speaker 3: But it's not like they're bending over backwards to tell
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Speaker 3: you without a doubt, unequivocally AJ Brown would be an
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Speaker 3: Eagle and it's even silly to ask that question.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's also interesting the fact that you know, you
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Speaker 4: look at some other people look at it like myself,
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Speaker 4: which is and I'm not saying the Eagles actually care
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Speaker 4: about these things, but the perception is is that in
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Speaker 4: a city where the Phillies imploded the ability to unload
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Speaker 4: a toxic piece in Nick Cassiano's, the Eagles are doing
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Speaker 4: everything they can to maintain the pristine value.
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Speaker 5: If somebody calls with the right offer for a J Brown.
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's what you do?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 3: And I think I heard you're saying this, and I
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Speaker 3: couldn't agree with you more about the difference between how
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Speaker 3: Nick Cassiano's kind of butchered his trade value and AJ Brown,
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Speaker 3: who has I know he made? I guess the New
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Speaker 3: England Patriots podcast thing made a lot of headlines.
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Speaker 2: I did, I didn't.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, see, can I jump in right quick?
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Speaker 4: That's an example of the Internet being a bunch of bleeps,
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Speaker 4: because if you actually watch and suffer through the forty minutes,
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Speaker 4: which I did and Nick Earnshaw did, we all lost
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Speaker 4: time out of our lives and brain cells watching that
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Speaker 4: stupid podcast. AJ Brown did not say it before making
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Speaker 4: it out to be it was. It was a tongue
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Speaker 4: in joke, tongue in cheek joke because for those who
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Speaker 4: don't know, A Brown grew up being a Julian Edelman fan.
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Speaker 5: That's one of the reason why he wears number eleven.
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Speaker 4: And so the whole joke was Edelman saying we're all Patriots, right,
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Speaker 4: you know, and then AJ Brown making a wink at
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Speaker 4: Edelman and then he immediately said I'm kidding, I'm kidding,
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Speaker 4: and a j Rroren even said, I know the internet is.
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Speaker 5: Now going to pick up pick this up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like you know, there there was a part
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Speaker 4: of it that was very, very innocuous.
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Speaker 5: But the Internet is the Internet, and they're idiots online.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen AJ Brown when he wants to
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Speaker 3: make a statement talking to people on the internet, he
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Speaker 3: makes it pretty clear, like when he during the season
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Speaker 3: when he was playing the video games and you know,
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Speaker 3: calling things.
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Speaker 2: A bleep show and all that.
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Speaker 3: I also happen to watch in full the live podcast
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Speaker 3: he did with Michael Parsons and Bryce Young at the
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, and I thought, again he was more of
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Speaker 3: a bystander in a lot of those conversations and an
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Speaker 3: active contributor. So yeah, we have a lot of I mean,
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Speaker 3: this whole will all happen very quickly, I imagine, because the
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Speaker 3: draft just sneaks up on you just like that. And
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Speaker 3: free agency is important. So we'll see, we'll see what
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Speaker 3: happens and see what the offer is. But you know,
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Speaker 3: as Adam Kaplan and I discussed on our recent you
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Speaker 3: Know podcast, we're doing free agency previews, both from an
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Speaker 3: Eagles lens and an NFL lens. We looked at the
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Speaker 3: wide receiver class, and there's more teams. You and I
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Speaker 3: could sit here and name seven teams right now, right
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Speaker 3: that if they had one wide receiver like AJ Brown,
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Speaker 3: you could you could envision them in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Some of them are real obvious, like the Bills, bang right, Okay,
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Speaker 3: right then and there the Texans. You know, there are
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Speaker 3: a couple of chargers. You could probably get to six
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Speaker 3: or seven. You can't find six or seven AJ Brown's
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Speaker 3: on the open market. You can find Mike Evans, and
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Speaker 3: you can find trying to think of the other name that.
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Speaker 2: Really jumped out, I mean.
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Speaker 3: Now, only Night Corre because right now you have no
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Speaker 3: idea what kind of shape he's in or when he's
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Speaker 3: going to be able to play in.
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Speaker 2: One second, I'll think of it.
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Speaker 3: But the point I was trying to make was, it's
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Speaker 3: just not a very deep class of those kind of
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Speaker 3: wide receivers game changers, right, who are going to make
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Speaker 3: it so much of a difference where you could say
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Speaker 3: that guy can put me in the super Bowl and
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Speaker 3: that's why there should be a market for a J.
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Speaker 2: Brown.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and probably whatever team gets Mike Evans, that's probably
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Speaker 4: the same type of team that would be interested in
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Speaker 4: an AJ Brown because you could argue that Evans and
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Speaker 4: AJ Brown, while they're not the same age, they're the
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Speaker 4: position they play on the field is very similar in
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Speaker 4: most offenses.
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Speaker 2: Yes, true X, big physical receiver right correct. Correct. Wan
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Speaker 2: Dale Robinson's another good one.
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Speaker 3: He's a slot is a totally different type of right receiver,
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Speaker 3: but he's good enough with the year that he's coming
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Speaker 3: off in a bad Giants offense to say, hey, that
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Speaker 3: guy can probably sign up.
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Speaker 2: Well, will sign a multi year deal with a lot
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Speaker 2: of money attached to it.
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Speaker 4: The other thing that was interesting that came out of
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Speaker 4: the Sirianni Howie Roseman speaking to the media yesterday, at
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Speaker 4: least at least for me, Jeff was the emission that
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Speaker 4: you know, Sirianni and Rosemand as you mentioned, they're both
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Speaker 4: in lockstep here talking about the hiring of Sean Mannion
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Speaker 4: about saying how you know they went and interviewed a
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Speaker 4: lot of people and that you know, part of what
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Speaker 4: stood out about Mannion compared to some of the other
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Speaker 4: guys was the fact that Mannion was a guy who
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Speaker 4: basically came into the meeting with like literal examples of
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Speaker 4: like this is what I would do in these situations
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Speaker 4: with the offense, and Howie and Nick basically admitted that
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Speaker 4: that was one of one of the separators of him
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Speaker 4: versus some of the other guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's an interesting situation. You know, I get
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Speaker 3: when you when you don't get the guys.
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Speaker 2: You exactly want, And we know Mike McDaniel and.
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Speaker 3: Dable would have been guys that they they want. Then
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Speaker 3: you got to go with an extensive search and the
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Speaker 3: guy that you may have to take a chance on.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Nick said pretty clearly that he went
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Speaker 3: into it thinking he was gonna need and this is
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Speaker 3: very this is almost like a captain obvious statement, went
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Speaker 3: into it thinking like I'm gonna have to get a
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Speaker 3: guy who's.
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Speaker 2: Got some experienced play calling, and I think the argument
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Speaker 2: is still there to be made that he should have.
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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, you want to get the best guy that
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Speaker 2: you can.
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Speaker 3: And in that course of interviews, seventeen of them, I
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Speaker 3: believe he said yep. And then you add the extra
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Speaker 3: follow ups right that Sean Mannion stood out the most,
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Speaker 3: which speaks to Sean's presence and command to be able
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Speaker 3: to stand out. And I think that, you know, I
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Speaker 3: think that it could be a very good hire. I
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Speaker 3: think it's still a risk.
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Speaker 2: I think that.
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Speaker 3: They can say what they want, but I'm sure that
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Speaker 3: they wish that more proven guys would have given them
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to open, you know, just to least talk
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Speaker 3: to them. But that's not what happened, and it'll be
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Speaker 3: interesting to see what happens is coming year.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the only name for me, at least Jeff
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Speaker 4: that I was surprised that didn't, you know, get involved
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Speaker 4: in the in the conversation. For me, and I can't
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Speaker 4: speak for me, it was Frank right because he's now
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Speaker 4: the Offensiveuordia with the Jets, and that felt like a
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Speaker 4: very like natural marriage where basically It's like, you know,
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Speaker 4: Nick Foles and Kurt Warner and other guys have said
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Speaker 4: that basically Sirianni runs Frank Reich's offense. This is not
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Speaker 4: like Sirianni did come up with this offense on his own.
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Speaker 4: That if you're going to keep running Sirianni style, then
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Speaker 4: why not go to dude due to the offense, we
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Speaker 4: did the defense, right, go get the original.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the whole point was to
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Speaker 1: not have Nick Sirianni's offense, right, I mean, yes, Jim
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Speaker 1: Bob Couter got a You're My Friend interview, and yes
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Speaker 1: there were some guys like for example Lsu Charlie Weis
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Speaker 1: Junior who you're not exactly sure how to characterize the
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Speaker 1: offense because he's never coached at the NFL level, But
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Speaker 1: I would say ninety five percent, you know, of at
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Speaker 1: least the interviews we knew about were West Coast offense,
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Speaker 1: but the Shanahan McVay style modernized West Coast offense, and
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Speaker 1: you know where Nick Syria and Frank is interesting too
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Speaker 1: because he's had different offenses that he's worked under, you know,
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Speaker 1: but he's not really been a play caller in a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of places and where he has been, he
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Speaker 1: hasn't been that good. So I imagined that that wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have gone over with the guys that you really got
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Speaker 1: to please, which are Jeffrey and Howie just leaning back
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Speaker 1: into a coaching buddy or someone who's been here and there,
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Speaker 1: as opposed to someone who's going to radically redesign and
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Speaker 1: refurbish what you do.
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Speaker 4: Jeff Moscher joined us for football and for Powered by
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Speaker 4: the Inside of the Bird podcasts Inside the Birds dot com.
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Speaker 4: If we get all of his work at Philly Voice,
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Speaker 4: and of course josh Any Phillia for Mike gill one
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Speaker 4: more day here on the ice of a three esp
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Speaker 4: and we can confirm now by the way, Jeff, as
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Speaker 4: you know, you only can confirm because someone put on
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Speaker 4: social media.
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Speaker 5: So once it's on social media, then it's real.
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Speaker 4: Oh of course, yeah, So of course, Mike, you'll put
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Speaker 4: on social media. So I've been feeling at liberty to
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Speaker 4: put it out to the wide world of sports.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, you'll put it on the Internet.
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Speaker 3: Then it has to be either true or it happened
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Speaker 3: in Egypt and he was, you know, under the influence.
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Speaker 5: Although I will say, did you know that's an eight
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Speaker 5: hour difference.
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Speaker 3: I didn't because I've wanted to text him of your times,
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Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, I'm not sure if he's sleeping,
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Speaker 3: or if it's like six in the morning, or where
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Speaker 3: if it's at night.
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Speaker 2: And so I just decided not to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, instead of going that, you know, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: Joshua would take three seconds to talk into my Google
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Speaker 3: search and say what time is it in Egypt right now?
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Speaker 2: I was like, forget it, He's not that important.
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Speaker 5: Well, it makes you feel anty better.
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Speaker 4: I didn't hear from him at all for like almost
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Speaker 4: three weeks, and he was apparently texting other people for
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Speaker 4: about three weeks. So apparently I'm not very important and
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Speaker 4: he's not very important to you, and everybody's just very
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Speaker 4: unimportant right now.
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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like there might have Maybe you've seen
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Speaker 3: a little pep in your step over the last three weeks,
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Speaker 3: so maybe there's some cause and effect in that you
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Speaker 3: don't have the boss up your butt all day.
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Speaker 4: You know, I am not going to act to like
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Speaker 4: having Mike gil here would not make my life easier
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Speaker 4: right now.
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna put it that way, Okay.
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Speaker 2: All right, it's a very diplomatic statement of you.
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Speaker 5: No, it's just a realistic statement.
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Speaker 4: It's the fact that the blizzard is basically you whooped
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Speaker 4: my butt. And I've been living without an electricity, so
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Speaker 4: it's like, you know, my life has been very chaotic,
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Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, it would have been nice
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Speaker 4: if Mike gil would have been here where I could
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Speaker 4: have been like, you got this right?
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course you would be gone when there
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Speaker 3: would be three feet of snow on the ground.
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Speaker 2: It's just the way it works.
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Speaker 5: As one one person, you say, let's get it back
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Speaker 5: to the Eagles.
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Speaker 4: So the other comment that was made yesterday by you
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Speaker 4: know Howie at the media gathering was you know, he
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Speaker 4: did make an emphasis, Jeff about two positions on defense.
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Speaker 4: They are going to try to get some bodies more
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Speaker 4: in here, that being.
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Speaker 5: Defensive line and cornerback.
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Speaker 4: And I think it's interesting because they try to address
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Speaker 4: cornerback last year, remember, and it didn't really go as
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Speaker 4: they had hoped, right, They brought in a Dori Jackson,
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Speaker 4: They wanted to try a Hee Lee Ringo. They traded
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Speaker 4: for Ja Korea and Bennett and you know, Jackson was serviceable,
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Speaker 4: but he wasn't you know, he wasn't that great. So
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Speaker 4: you know, what can the Eagles learn from last year's
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Speaker 4: collection that didn't work out to maybe do better this
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Speaker 4: year at corner.
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Speaker 3: See I look at it differently, Josh and that yes
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Speaker 3: it didn't maybe it didn't.
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Speaker 2: Work out quote unquote the way they wanted it to.
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Speaker 3: But I also think it didn't hit nearly the rock
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Speaker 3: bottom that people expected it to with the Dori Jackson.
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Speaker 2: I mean you're correct.
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Speaker 3: I mean all throughout the season, all Howie Roseman did
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Speaker 3: was trying to get his hands on other corners not
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Speaker 3: named the Dory Jackson, right, But at the.
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Speaker 2: End of the day, they didn't. You know, they didn't
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Speaker 2: lose because of a Dori Jackson.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the defense certainly didn't do its part against
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Speaker 3: the Niners. I think that they were asked to carry
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Speaker 3: the load quite a bit. But you needn't come out
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Speaker 3: of that game saying, man, Dori Jackson cost them the game.
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Speaker 3: I mean, in fact, the big play that they had
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Speaker 3: in the first quarter of Jennings I think was Quinnon
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Speaker 3: Mitchell having a rare mess up in coverage.
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Speaker 2: If I'm not.
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Speaker 3: Mistaken, you remember that play on the left side where
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Speaker 3: it kind of there was a pass and Mitchell slipped
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Speaker 3: a little bit and then Jennings broke free for like
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Speaker 3: a sixty five.
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Speaker 2: Yard or something like that. Pretty sure that was on Quinnon.
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Speaker 3: So I think the lesson is to continue to have options,
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Speaker 3: to continue to give yourself guys.
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Speaker 2: I mean that it's hard.
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Speaker 3: They're not gonna I don't see them using a first
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Speaker 3: round pick, and I don't see.
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Speaker 2: Them going heavy spending in free agency.
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Speaker 3: On a owner because you have Quinnon, Mitchell, and you
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Speaker 3: have what's his face, you have a Cooper de Gene,
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Speaker 3: and you're in base defense thirty percent of the time
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Speaker 3: twenty five percent time, So why are you gonna go
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Speaker 3: put a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of investment into a guy who's not even on the
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Speaker 2: field for the entire time.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So I just think that maybe they keep taking
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Speaker 3: taking swings of the bat that you say, or throwing
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Speaker 3: darts and trying. If you get someone who's twenty percent
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Speaker 3: better than Dori Jackson, then your defense overall is a
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Speaker 3: little bit better. And by the end of the year,
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Speaker 3: I think we all thought the Eagles defense was pretty good.
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Speaker 4: A couple more comments from high Roseman yesterday when we
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Speaker 4: voice perfection.
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Speaker 2: What's that just to let you know, P for perfection,
17:51
Speaker 2: to let you know.
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Speaker 3: Okay, me not perfect That was not impressive, Okay, I.
17:58
Speaker 4: Mean it was probably land better if it wasn't me
18:01
Speaker 4: on the outside of the microphone, because Mike Galer probably
18:04
Speaker 4: had some sort of pithy response.
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Speaker 2: He would No, he.
18:07
Speaker 3: Would have ripped me to to you know what if
18:09
Speaker 3: I had said that to him.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Meanwhile, I just whistle and wave it. I'm just
18:13
Speaker 5: like whatever, Yeah, exactly.
18:16
Speaker 4: Definitely a reflection of our personalities, right for sure.
18:21
Speaker 5: But back to Howie, back to the Eagles.
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Speaker 4: How we mentioned two players specifically he was asked about
18:27
Speaker 4: yesterday I thought was very interesting his answers. Let's start
18:30
Speaker 4: with the first one, Jalen Phillips. You know how he
18:32
Speaker 4: mentioned that he's a perfect fit for Fangio system, about
18:36
Speaker 4: how he's a great fit in the locker room.
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Speaker 5: It really sounded like.
18:39
Speaker 4: The Eagles are going to prioritize trying to bring back
18:43
Speaker 4: Jillen Phillips and frankly, Jeff, I'm glad they are because
18:47
Speaker 4: outside of Jalx Hunt in three games for Jillen Phillips,
18:51
Speaker 4: their past rush was basically Moro joemo, Jordan Davis and nothing.
18:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he fits the defense. They're going to
18:58
Speaker 3: prioritize it for sure, Josh. The only thing is, you know,
19:03
Speaker 3: and again, when you're gonna look at the edge rushers
19:06
Speaker 3: or free agency, and the first thing you're gonna say
19:08
Speaker 3: is uh oh, because if you're as good as Jalen
19:10
Speaker 3: Phillips is that there's a lot.
19:12
Speaker 2: Of teams with money to spend.
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Speaker 3: Man, there's a lot of teams who are ready to
19:15
Speaker 3: reset the market that at certain positions, and edge rusher
19:20
Speaker 3: is one of them.
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Speaker 2: So at some point the Eagles have to.
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Speaker 3: They got to be able to do this under good
19:26
Speaker 3: terms for both them and the player. It can't just
19:29
Speaker 3: be one of those we're gonna pay you fifteen million
19:31
Speaker 3: per year more. They can't go all Patriots Milton Williams
19:35
Speaker 3: on Jalen Phillips, Right. So that's what's gonna make this
19:38
Speaker 3: sort of a fascinating negotiation.
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Speaker 2: I think some of it will have to deal with
19:43
Speaker 2: Jaalen Phillips.
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Speaker 3: Do you want to be the richest edge in the
19:46
Speaker 3: NFL and maybe go play for the Raiders, or do
19:49
Speaker 3: you want to be a really really rich edge in
19:52
Speaker 3: the NFL and have a chance to win a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: It may come down to that.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it does help that he's nothing number
19:59
Speaker 4: one need on edge rusher. I think that does at
20:02
Speaker 4: least help in the Eagles keeper right is the fact
20:04
Speaker 4: that the number one name would be Tray Hendrickson, and
20:08
Speaker 4: I feel pretty comfortable saying that Hendrickson is probably going
20:11
Speaker 4: to get something substantial in the market he is.
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one. Hendrickson, I believe, is older. Yes,
20:19
Speaker 2: you can check me out.
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Speaker 5: He's three years older. Let me double check.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he's three years older.
20:24
Speaker 3: So I don't know that the type of contracts both
20:26
Speaker 3: of them are going to get are going to be similar. Now,
20:29
Speaker 3: Phillips has the injury history that'll work against him, so
20:33
Speaker 3: he'll sort of be treated like an older player because
20:35
Speaker 3: he'll be treated like a player with an injury history.
20:38
Speaker 2: But again, all it.
20:39
Speaker 3: Takes is a couple of teams to be say I
20:41
Speaker 3: don't care. I saw his last six games with the Eagles.
20:43
Speaker 3: He look very healthy, look productive. He can come to
20:46
Speaker 3: our team and dominate. So you know, obviously he's more
20:50
Speaker 3: aligned to get a longer term money, which is going
20:53
Speaker 3: to be a longer term deal, which will come a
20:55
Speaker 3: lot of money.
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Speaker 5: By the way, four years, it's almost a four year difference.
20:58
Speaker 4: Phillips is going to be turning twenty seven soon and
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Speaker 4: Hendrickson is thirty one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that does make it, so I don't.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to say that Hendrickson's the
21:09
Speaker 3: number one free agent edge because of his production and
21:12
Speaker 3: what he's accomplished, sure, but that's not always the criteria.
21:17
Speaker 3: You know, a couple of years ago, Adam and I
21:19
Speaker 3: went to the Combine and we were talking.
21:20
Speaker 2: About who was the guard? Was it maybe Sam Alu right?
21:24
Speaker 3: And we heard from a couple of different teams that
21:27
Speaker 3: he was their number one guard on the board, But
21:29
Speaker 3: he didn't get number one. In fact, he got a
21:31
Speaker 3: one year deal right from the Steelers, miss Steeler call
21:35
Speaker 3: right from the Steelers because he had a significant injury history.
21:39
Speaker 3: So he wasn't treated like the number one guy because
21:42
Speaker 3: of that. So we'll have to see how it works
21:44
Speaker 3: with Hendrickson and with Phillips' injury injuries history.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say that you've be here.
21:50
Speaker 4: The list I'm looking at is is Trey Hendrickson, it's
21:53
Speaker 4: a dfe Aweya, it's Quitty Pay, it's Joey Bosa, it's
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Speaker 4: uh Joseph Asai, it's a Chase On from the Patriots
22:05
Speaker 4: Leonard Floyd while he's still hanging around.
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Speaker 2: I want Chase On. He had a really nice bounce
22:10
Speaker 2: back here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that would be very interesting to see if
22:12
Speaker 3: the Patriots can bring him back at a good number.
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Speaker 4: By the way, Chase On and Phillips were almost the
22:16
Speaker 4: exact same age. How about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, just took Chase On a longer time to
22:21
Speaker 3: get to where where he's at.
22:24
Speaker 2: Oh.
22:24
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he he was a very very slow to get there.
22:27
Speaker 5: But that was also because of the defense he was
22:29
Speaker 5: drafted into. And we all know how that that functions
22:32
Speaker 5: as well. Look at Brandon Graham, look at his career.
22:34
Speaker 2: Right, good point.
22:36
Speaker 4: Finally, if I let you go the Dallas Goddard comment,
22:38
Speaker 4: I asked, I want to ask you about I asked
22:40
Speaker 4: Kaptain about Lewis yesterday, but I want to ask you
22:42
Speaker 4: as well. Howie Roseman said, Hey, we are going to
22:45
Speaker 4: be talking with Dallas Goddard's agent in the next few days.
22:49
Speaker 4: And then he expressed their interest to bring him back,
22:51
Speaker 4: which of course they're interested to bring him back.
22:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, eleven touchdowns last year.
22:54
Speaker 4: But my fuck, a little nugget there was we are
22:56
Speaker 4: going to be talking to him right here in Indianapolis
22:59
Speaker 4: in the next few days. I thought that little nugget
23:01
Speaker 4: from how I was interesting.
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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. They're talking to every single agent in the
23:06
Speaker 2: next few days, and I mean, that's that's just what happens, Josh.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I get why that would stick out to you,
23:13
Speaker 3: but the reality is they're gonna talk to every agent
23:17
Speaker 3: and having a conversation doesn't matter. It's the numbers that
23:21
Speaker 3: are exchanged in the conversation that matter. So I think,
23:25
Speaker 3: I think this one's really interesting to me. This one's
23:28
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty, right, because this is a player who, again,
23:33
Speaker 3: when healthy, is very talented.
23:35
Speaker 2: And he's not that old either, right. I mean, he's
23:39
Speaker 2: got good years left.
23:40
Speaker 3: So you could absolutely see a competitive team saying, hey,
23:45
Speaker 3: if I get Dallas Goddard on a three year deal
23:47
Speaker 3: for whatever, you know, pretty good money, he's really gonna
23:51
Speaker 3: help me.
23:52
Speaker 2: And that could price the egos out.
23:53
Speaker 3: But you could also see team saying, you know, drafts
23:58
Speaker 3: full of tight ends this year year.
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Speaker 2: You know, last year's draft had a bunch of tight ends.
24:03
Speaker 2: He's got an injury history.
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Speaker 3: I'll give him a two year deal with maybe just
24:08
Speaker 3: a little money in year two because I'm worried about it.
24:10
Speaker 3: In that case, the Eagles can do the same thing,
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Speaker 3: match it and bring them back, so that one is
24:16
Speaker 3: a total chess match.
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Speaker 2: It'll be very, very interesting.
24:19
Speaker 3: And as we say, with every body, every position free agency,
24:23
Speaker 3: all it takes is one team to do to go
24:28
Speaker 3: where others won't.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when it comes to a player who is
24:34
Speaker 4: at kind of a weird spot in his career. But
24:35
Speaker 4: he had an injury history, and then last year it
24:37
Speaker 4: was the first time it's been legitimately healthy for most.
24:40
Speaker 3: Of the year, right, right, And in some cases it's
24:43
Speaker 3: about contracts. If someone signs Dallas Goddard and guarantees money
24:47
Speaker 3: in year three of a three year deal, which I
24:50
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't know if that'll happen, but let's
24:52
Speaker 3: just I'm just hypothetically saying that's going to scare off
24:56
Speaker 3: a lot of teas and it might even scare off
24:57
Speaker 3: the EU. I can't be you know, we can't carry
25:00
Speaker 3: to you money three years down the road, you know,
25:01
Speaker 3: with all the games that you've missed, and we just
25:04
Speaker 3: made you or asked you to take a pay cut
25:06
Speaker 3: that you agreed to. So but teams that can do
25:09
Speaker 3: that are teams that are well under the cap because
25:11
Speaker 3: they've stunned for a while and they're trying
25:14
Speaker 2: To build back up, and they're willing to play that
25:15
Speaker 2: leverage game.